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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-12-18

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00:46<narendra>lknk
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01:16<valdyn>mkol_ssn: run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install"
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01:22<duckhead>hello anyone here?
01:23<devil_>duckhead: no
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01:23<devil_>!ask
01:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:24<duckhead>does anyone here know about metasploit and the windows/local/bypassuac payload?
01:25<devil_>duckhead: this is the debian support channel
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01:26<duckhead>kali linux is debian isnt it
01:26<devil_>no
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01:26<nardev>:)
01:26<devil_>debian is debian
01:26<nardev>duckhead, welcome :)
01:26<devil_>!kali
01:26<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
01:27<nardev>is there any packages maintained by the same people like kali?
01:27<nardev>anything coming down to Debian?
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01:28<alcor9>hi!
01:28<vrkalak>nardev, Debian-8 Jessie should be released, as stable, in Spring '15
01:29<nardev>vrkalak, thank you i was not interested in that one :D
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01:29<alcor9>problem bluetooth no detect on debian
01:30<alcor9>debian stable wheezie
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01:30<nardev>alcor9, prepare more info about your hardware and what specifically doesn't work
01:31<alcor9>ok!
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01:32<alcor9>Bluetooth: Ralink corp. Device 3298
01:33<alcor9>no detect after sudo hcitool info
01:34<jm_>have you read http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser ?
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01:38<Hamish_B>Hi, I have a headless server (dual Xeon) running Wheezy since it was released. X11 may be installed but isn't used more than once every two years. In the last two days there's some sort of fork bomb going on with 1200 processes of gvfsd, gconfd-2, and 'dbus-daemon --fork ...' all sleeping (not zombie). Anyone know what the heck is going on? Besides the usual apt-get update I'm pretty sure nothing has changed at the OS level, but last week dbus and
01:38<Hamish_B>dbus-x11 packages had security updates. aaagh @!#$!@???? Anyone else seeing this? Nothing obvious in the BTS.
01:38<Hamish_B>Only thing I can think of which could be triggering the spawn is a Matlab background plotting cron job but the method of invoking that hasn't changed.
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01:42<jm_>have you tried looking at pstree output to see what starts all that crap?
01:42<Hamish_B>ah, I think I've got it. to convert xls to csv I'm using gnumeric's sconvert command line tool. but in the wisdom of 1000 camels that command line tool needs dbus-launch when run non-locally. And every time that cron job runs another three or four processes are created but never reaped. great.
01:43<Hamish_B>ps afx doesn't show any structure. user name and process start time relative to the cron job time were the clues.
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02:02<devil_>nardev: afaic, buxy is somehow tied to kali
02:03<nardev>devil_, oki
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03:34<snebel>Since yesterday (After upgrade sytem trought apt) my desktop is completely freeze (that happend 2 times)
03:34<snebel>when i check log for errors
03:35<snebel>i found several lines
03:35<snebel>with the pattern ^@^@^@^^@^@^@^^@^@^@^
03:35<snebel>not sure what could it be
03:35<snebel>some ideas?
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03:39<babilen>Which version of Debian are you tracking?
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04:12<Poenikatu>Is anybody using the FTE folding text editor?
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04:12<jm_>not for many years
04:13<Poenikatu>jm_: Did you get to grips with the configurable syntax parser?
04:16<jm_>Poenikatu: never messed with that, sorry (at least that I remember)
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04:16<Poenikatu>Thanks anyway
04:16<jm_>I used it for C files mostly and for some text files where I didn't care much about that
04:17<Poenikatu>jm_: Can you recommend an editor which will do configurable syntax highlighting? I've tried Emacs, but the font lock mode is too restrictive.
04:17<jm_>Poenikatu: I switched to vim :)
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04:18<Poenikatu>jm_: Is that easy to configure for syntax highlighting?
04:19<jm_>Poenikatu: yeah, "syntax enable" in ~/.vimrc
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04:21<Poenikatu>jm_: Ok, that's easy for existing languages, but new languages are another matter. However, I shall persevere and see what I can do.
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04:22<jm_>Poenikatu: you can see example syntax files here (not how it supports many by default): /usr/share/vim/*/syntax
04:23<Poenikatu>jm_: Many thank, I'll take a look. Bye for now
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04:49<krenken>hey, when i try to play a stream an online video on full screen its very jittery . im new to debian and this is a clean install. should i update something or install a driver?
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04:52<devil_>what gfx card and driver?
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04:53<krenken>onboard
04:53<krenken>nothing special
04:53<krenken>should be able to handle a youtube video
04:53<devil_>*sigh*
04:54<devil_>you need to work on your answers :)
04:54<devil_>gotta run
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07:34<kanliot>anyone running wheezy have flash problems when running iceweasel recently?
07:34<jm_>what problems?
07:35<kanliot>error message saying outdated version
07:35<jm_>yes
07:35<kanliot>is there a fix?
07:35<kanliot>besides google's chrome?
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07:38<jm_>apparently there's no newer version from adobe so you'll need to talk to them I suppose
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07:38<jm_>or maybe find out what's mozilla's thinking behind this error
07:38<jm_>I simply told iceweasel to temporarily allow flash content
07:39<kanliot>yeah
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07:40<jm_>i really hope flash crap dies for good now
07:40<kanliot>dont hold your breath, so many $$ for flash ads
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07:42<jm_>those don't show up for me in 99% of cases
07:42<kanliot>yeah but websites that want to make money will be using flash
07:42<captnfab>kanliot: have you tried runing manually the flashplugin's upgrade command?
07:43<captnfab>to fetch and install the newest version of adobe's .so
07:43<kanliot>captnfab how should i google that procedure?
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07:44<captnfab>kanliot: https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer/#Upgrade
07:44<jm_>captnfab: even doing that it still shows that message for me
07:45<captnfab>jm_: ok, i heard that it fixed the problem on some sites
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07:50<kanliot>captnfab that worked thx
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07:50<kanliot>https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-flash-plugin-view-videos-animations-games
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08:52<Mahjongg>Hello, xdg-open some.mp3 opens nautilus in my Wheezy installation. Where can I change xdg-open settings to correct this problem?
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09:49<nadia>aaaaaaaaa
09:50<nadia>o k ase
09:51<petn-randall>Hello nadia, do you have a Debian support question?
09:51<nadia>ah?
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09:53<awal>X pack recommends 1,2,3 apps. How to install X pack and 1 and 2 recommends but not the recommend 3?
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09:54<awal>install X -3?
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09:55<xiqy>awal: install X with --no-install-recommends and then install 1 and 2 manually. Optionally mark them as automatically installed with apt-mark.
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09:58<awal>xigy, good idea yeah. thanks
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10:02<awan>hello, anybody there?
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10:04<ArtooDetoo>!ask
10:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:05<awan>Ok. It's about the IRC. In Xchat, how do I do to get a list of available servers, channels and so on?
10:05<awan>using commands, I mean
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10:16<petn-randall>awal: There's no "automatic" list of available servers, only those that you configure. You can search for channels with e.g. /list <searchterm>, most IRC networks forbid listing all channels so you don't DoS yourself.
10:16<xiqy>awan left. awal is someone else.
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10:18<awal>petn-randall, awn asked not me ;)
10:18<petn-randall>awal: Sorry :)
10:18<awal>petn-randall, np
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10:37<snebel>Hi, i'm confused i have a server where one local user can execute everything with sudo but no lines allowing him do it on sudoers...
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10:38<snebel>http://pastebin.com/kreMau51
10:39<snebel>just a %sudo group with no members
10:39<snebel>and a include line comment #
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10:40<snebel>includedir to be more precise, wich one have a file that allow this user to run commands but this line is commented
10:42<snebel>wow, by removing the line the user is not allow anymore
10:42<snebel>the commented line
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10:43<snebel>could be due to do not have any space between # and includedir ???
10:44<snebel>i find all comments with space but nothing explicity telling that should be like this in the documentations
10:45<snebel>fuck, this is in the documentatio
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10:46<snebel>so just a little bit confusding
10:46<snebel>for me at the beginning
10:46<snebel>but this is normal
10:46<snebel>:-)
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10:57<uso>awal: or use aptitude install, there you can include/exclude packages at the prompt and also control if they will be set to auto-installed or not
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11:43<c01d>awal, hello. A week ago I came here with an observation that contrib and non-free had been put automatically to my sources.list, maybe you remember. No I have installed into a new VM and do not see any strange entries (neither contrib nor non-free entries). I can not test on a laptop ATM and I have no idea on how to check if that entries get put into spources.list when supplying firmware during the install-process. Long story told short: seems t
11:43<c01d>o have been my fault recently. :-(
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11:52<awal>uso, usually I use apt. but next time i'll try with aptitude and see what It can be done. thanks ;)
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11:55<awal>c01d, yes I remember. But i'm pretty sure that it's because you loaded a non-free firmware during installation. anyway, you will tell us next time if you make a new install :)
11:57<awal>if you need a non-free firmware you can simply use a unofficial images including non-free firmwares ; they are genuine as the official ones. you can get them from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
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12:07<uso>awal: that's the crux with the debian package tools, each of them has its strengths and weaknesses, and now we even have a 3rd with apt ..
12:08<awal>uso, right :)
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12:26<c01d>awal, thank you for the information. :-)
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13:10<just_real>Hi, how is it possible to check what packages are installed from testing or unstable?
13:11<ixi>aptitude search '~S ~i ~Aunstable'
13:11<ixi>etc
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13:13<timevirus>HELP REGISTER
13:13<timevirus>lol
13:14<timevirus>help
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13:15<jmlongo>maybe its /help ;)
13:15<ixi>!irc
13:15<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Debian IRC channels are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
13:15<timevirus>yes but all caps
13:16<just_real>ixi:thanks
13:16<timevirus>and REGISTER is 'No such commane'
13:16<timevirus>heh
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13:16<timevirus>command*
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13:17<timevirus>guest will do I spose
13:17<timevirus>or what/who ever I am "-|
13:18<ixi>timevirus try /msg dpkg irc tutorial
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13:18<ixi>and
13:18<ixi>try /msg nickserv help
13:18<timevirus>I'm trying to get adobe to work in IceWeasel
13:18<ixi>a whole company?
13:18<timevirus>well flash player lol
13:19<devil_>restart the weasel, if flashplayer is installed
13:19<ixi>timevirus https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
13:19<timevirus>I used the add/remove software tool but when I go to -- I did that devil
13:19<timevirus>no love
13:19<timevirus>kk
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13:20<devil_>timevirus: add/remove software?
13:21<timevirus>package manager I would guess
13:21<timevirus>I'm running Kali Linux atm
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13:22<timevirus>bah
13:23<timevirus>this distro is GREAT at running my hardware but otherwise a bit of a challenge
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13:28<timevirus>i'ma guess flashplayer is blacklisted in kali and iceweasel
13:28<timevirus>and/or*
13:29<timevirus>perhaps a FireFox install is called for
13:29<timevirus>lol nope
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13:30<petn-randall>!kali
13:30<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:30<petn-randall>timevirus: ^^^
13:31<timevirus>nice thanks
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13:32<devil_>timevirus: kali is not a general desktop distro
13:33<timevirus>I dont know what that means
13:33<devil_>it is for pernetration testing, not desktop use
13:33<timevirus>why not?
13:33<timevirus>it runs my puter
13:33<devil_>reAD ON IT
13:33<timevirus>WELL
13:33<devil_>read on it
13:33<petn-randall>timevirus: Kali is not supported in #debian.
13:33<devil_>that as well
13:33<timevirus>I have and I'm not convinced :P lol
13:33<devil_>well, then go there for support
13:34<timevirus>it runs that laptop better than anything I've fouond
13:34<timevirus>so far
13:34<devil_>timevirus: you are puzzled :)
13:34<timevirus>and I been hunting since 06 or so
13:34<timevirus>kk
13:34<petn-randall>timevirus: You're offtopic.
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13:37<musis>can someone help me install the wireless bcm43142?
13:37<devil_>apt-get install?
13:37<devil_>where is the problem?
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13:38<timevirus>have you got Synaptic package manager?
13:38<musis>any site with this wireless bcm43142 package?
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13:39<devil_>musis: you need nonfree in sources
13:39<devil_>then apt will work
13:39<timevirus>briadcom is off my list of desired hardware!
13:39<devil_>or grab it from packages.debian.org
13:39<timevirus>need ndiswrapper
13:39<timevirus>pffft
13:39<timevirus>broadcom*
13:39<musis>devil_, my wireless card and a bcm43142 can not find the package someone help me?
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13:40<timevirus>is that card in the b43 packages?
13:40<devil_>musis: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
13:40<musis>yes
13:40<timevirus>one for the google
13:40<timevirus>well thats easy then
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13:41<timevirus>you need the b43firmware and installer
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13:42<timevirus>BOTH in order to get it working and installed
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13:42<devil_>timevirus: you sure talk a lot without saying anything
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13:42<timevirus>if u say so
13:43*devil_ walks the dog
13:43<timevirus>\o/
13:43<musis>there is a website with the .deb, wanted to be remember where this site.
13:43<devil_>musis: told you
13:44<devil_>packages.debian.org
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13:47<timevirus>https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx cirtainly looks your answer to me musis - and like I said you need the firmware and installer or it is more difficult than buying a new completely compatible computer
13:47<timevirus>installing ndiswrapper manually is ROUGH
13:48<drijen>!seen phated
13:48<dpkg>drijen: i haven't seen 'phated'
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14:01<musis>problem??
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14:53<peter1138>Hmm, in a shell script, how can I compare a non-integer number?
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14:59<ompaul_> Bash does not understand floating point arithmetic. It treats numbers containing a decimal point as strings.
14:59<ompaul_>peter1138: so you need to cut -d"." -f1 and gt or whatever
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15:04<blubberdiblub>peter1138, or use "bc"
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15:05<peter1138>ompaul, yes, i realised i don't need to care about the decimal part anyway :)
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15:05<blubberdiblub>peter1138, val1=5.7 ; val2=5.8 ; result=$( echo "$val1 < $val2" | bc ) ; echo "$result"
15:05<peter1138>cut -d. -f1 sufficed :)
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15:23<goon>hello there, using debian unstable X64, I have few problems with
15:23<goon>gnome hanging -running but keyboard and mouse not functionning-.
15:23<goon>Log tells me a lot of segfaults occuring with at-spi2 libs
15:23<goon>but else I don't know where to search
15:23<goon>is it the right channel actually ?
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15:25<goon>sorry, didn't want to flood
15:26<goon>hello there, using debian unstable X64, I have few problems with gnome hanging -running but keyboard and mouse not functionning-. Log tells me a lot of segfaults occuring with at-spi2 libs but else I don't know where to search.
15:26<mitrom>I didn't want you to flood either :c
15:26<peter1138>#debian-next for testing/unstable
15:27<goon>peter1138, thank you :)
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15:30<abrotman>goon: when is the last time you did a full dist-upgrade?
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15:30<goon>well not too long ago -like a week
15:31<abrotman>probably start with that, if it persists, create a new user, try that, then try another WM ..
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15:32<goon>abrotman, does it seem feasible for you to install stable version of this package without conflicting with gnome?
15:32<abrotman>eh, i don't thikn it would work very well
15:32<abrotman>gnome in unstable is 3.14, gnome in stable is mostly 3.4 ..
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15:34<goon>abrotman, I know, gap is large, but the thing is this package is useless to me it seems, it's accessibility related.
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15:35<abrotman>That doesn't change my answer
15:35<goon>abrotman, I dist-upgraded though and actually there is a gnome shell update, will see how it goes.
15:36<goon>abrotman, I know it doesn't change it, but I was wondering if you can and if so how to remove a package that is normally gnome related
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15:37<abrotman>which package?
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15:40<goon>abrotman, sorry, at-spi2-core related packages
15:41<abrotman>update them first .. then see how it goes
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15:42<goon>they are up to date know, will see how it goes with this new gnome-shell
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15:50<abrotman>goon: I assume you've restarted the WM
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15:55<goon>I will in a minute
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15:56<goon>abrotman, I ahve no
15:56<goon>abrotman, I have now
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16:07<sysvalve>wow, i'm trying to install debian in a macbook air and I can't seem to be able to switch to another VT
16:08<sysvalve>tried everything
16:08<goon>someone know best way to monitor if system is healthy
16:08<goon>?
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16:08<sysvalve>ping ^^
16:08<sysvalve>there are a lot of monitoring packages
16:09<sysvalve>btw, got it. It seems that you need to use the fn key lol
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16:27<sleser>is there a teamviewer for debian 64 bit ?
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16:29<devil_>sleser: you need multiarch
16:29<sleser>how do i chek whitch one i got ?
16:30<sleser>ill be using it on 32 bit conecting to 64
16:30<sleser>ill like to have it on both system
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16:40<Xylon>what was the historical meaning of make -M
16:40<Xylon>?
16:41<Xylon>as in this article: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/640/Rebuilding_a_single_kernel_module
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16:46<Xylon>is that article correct? I'm trying to modify and compile a module
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16:49<trico>not sure, but the gnu make manpage says -m is ignored for compatibility with other versions of make
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16:54<uso>Xylon: depending on what module you want to build you may already find it in the module-assistant
16:54<uso>https://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant
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17:03<Xylon>uso, it's not there (ath9k)
17:03<Xylon>i'm making a small change to it to fix a bug
17:04<Xylon>but I can't build it
17:05<valdyn>Xylon: why cant you?
17:05<Xylon>because I don't know what I'm doing and make always errors
17:06<Xylon>I easily applied the patch someone else made but I don't know how to build
17:06<valdyn>Xylon: make path/to/module.ko
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17:11<Xylon>valdyn, it sais: make: Nothing to be done for 'drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k'.
17:11<valdyn>Xylon: so its already built
17:12<Xylon>oh
17:12<Xylon>so where is it? XD
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17:13<valdyn>Xylon: in drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k
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17:16<Xylon>I can't find it, i'll try running make clean and compile again
17:16<Xylon>it still just sais nothing to be done
17:17<uso>Xylon: did you use the directory as make target?
17:17<uso>I guess you need to append the module name
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17:18<Xylon>I'm deleting whole source tree and starting again
17:19<valdyn>of course, thats much faster than articulating what went wrong and running the correct command (not)
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17:21<Xylon>OK it wants a .config, should I use "make oldconfig", "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig"
17:21<Xylon>last time I did oldconfig
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17:22*drijen makes menuconfig everytime
17:23<drijen>no use in throwing a possible spanner into it
17:23<drijen>except for drinking games, in which make random is loads of fun
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17:27<Xylon>hm
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17:29<Xylon>it still just sais nothing to be done....
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17:29<Xylon>maybe I'll build whole kernel with just make?
17:30<Xylon>seems a bit overkill though
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17:33<nix_jekyll>so why does command users show me 3 times? grrr
17:34*nix_jekyll waves hand
17:35<drijen>because you are logged into 3 tty?
17:35<nix_jekyll>no just gui
17:35<nix_jekyll>don't know how i messed it up i deleted and readded it with same problems
17:35<nix_jekyll>started after adding sudo group
17:35<nix_jekyll>sudo username sudo
17:36<nix_jekyll>how can i tell whats wrong or check? i've been looking at kuser
17:36<Xylon>how long will it take to rebuild whole kernel on AMD Athlon 2.7GHz dula core?
17:36<drijen>GUI does not neccesarily single user
17:36<drijen>Xylon: about 2 min
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17:36<Xylon>Oh good
17:36<Xylon>for some reason I though it takes hours
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17:39<Xylon>oh you tricked me...
17:39<Xylon>haha very funny
17:39<Xylon>and I didn't even know about the -j 2 trick
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17:40<nix_jekyll>sooo users shows name name name... and id shows uid name gid name groups name and sudo
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17:40<Xylon>so now it's building single-threaded and it will probably take about 10 hours
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17:42<drijen>Xylon: no seriously. if it takes longer than 10 minutes something is up
17:42<drijen>kernels aren't gentoo make universe
17:42<drijen>nix_jekyll: what does w say
17:42<nix_jekyll>w?
17:42<Xylon>drijen, but what about this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/182890/how-long-does-it-take-to-compile-a-kernel-linux-3-2-5
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17:44<drijen>nix_jekyll: yeah
17:45<drijen>Xylon: then i apologize
17:45<nix_jekyll>what is w? not very specific
17:45*nix_jekyll scratches head
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17:45<drijen>Xylon: but i've run hardware slower than that and compiled kernels in minutes
17:45<drijen>i've never seen one take more than 2 -3 on any of my machines ever
17:45<uso>nix_jekyll: a command to type on the command line :)
17:46<drijen>nix_jekyll: man w
17:46<drijen>nix_jekyll: i won't tell you "just type it in". The proper response to that is "no"
17:46<drijen>but you should look at the man page, and see what it does
17:46<drijen>then type it i
17:46<drijen>n
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17:47<nix_jekyll>thats not a valid flag...
17:48<drijen>flag?
17:49<nix_jekyll>wow you guys suck.
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17:49<drijen>i like too
17:49<drijen>*lick
17:49<drijen>but apparently can't spell
17:50<drijen>seriously its a simple ass command, and you have yet to spell out what you are trying to do anyway
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18:05<drijen>Xylon: still going?
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18:05<Xylon>drijen, yes
18:05<drijen>Xylon: i sincerely apologize
18:05<Xylon>OK no problem
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18:22<Dakron>Hello, I found an issue with my Debian Jessie installation and I am seeking advice. I heard the sound of my harddisk clicking every few seconds, so I ran "smartctl -a /dev/sda" and found out that 193 Load_Cycle_Count increases with every click. I could avoid this by running "hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda". But I wonder why is there such a dangerous default, that would kill my harddisk rather soon? Google says a similar issue was fixed many years ago
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18:23<ArtooDetoo>!jessie
18:23<dpkg>The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>.
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19:44<krenken>is it possible to see the list of rep i've added .. and whats the easiest way to remove them from the list
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19:47<drijen>rep as in repo?
19:47<drijen>repostitory?
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19:49<sydney>Is Debian strictly a server OS?
19:50<darthanubis>debian is whateber you want it to be
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19:51<sydney>I installed it on my laptop alongside Windows 7. Some of the packages are too old, but from what i've read I shouldn't upgrade them ... ?
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19:52<drijen>sydney:
19:52<sney>too old for what? the package versions in a debian release have been tested as working together. you might not get bleeding edge everything, but you do get a reliable system.
19:52<drijen>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
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19:53*darthanubis "too old'?
19:53<darthanubis>sydney, read more about debian
19:53*drijen mummifies darthanubis
19:53<sney>current testing is frozen as well so that's fairly safe to use, if you find things are actually missing features as opposed to numbers
19:53<darthanubis>or use Mint
19:53<sydney>I don't mind ESR Iceweasel, but LibreOffice has some major compatibility improvements with v4.
19:54<drijen>or slackware/crux/arch/etc
19:54<sney>,v libreoffice
19:54<judd>Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3~rc2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2; sid: 1:4.3.3-2; experimental: 1:4.4.0~beta2-1
19:54<sney>even stable-backports has LO 4.x
19:54<darthanubis>or go straight to LO's site
19:55<sney>if you ignore apt you might as well not use debian, though. the package manager is a huge part of the reason to use a formal distro
19:55<sydney>sney: Exactly. Package management is magic. Much better than downloading dodgy .exe files from cnet or such.
19:56<sney>it is definitely super useful
19:57<maurom>I'm using libreoffice from backports from quite some time and am reeeelly happy
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20:06<sydney>What can I do about opus-tools and flac?
20:08<sney>what about them?
20:09<sydney>The stable ver of opus-tools lacks the ability to encode straight from .flac files.
20:10<sney>ok, so either use testing (since it's frozen, it's getting relatively close to release as debian 8) or possibly backport it yourself through the package manager
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20:10<sney>the bot can tell us if option #2 is valid:
20:10<sney>,checkbackport opus-tools
20:10<judd>Backporting package opus-tools in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy.
20:10<sney>yup
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20:11<sydney>Gotta backport libopus as well.
20:12<sydney>nvm it's there
20:12<sney>!tell sydney about ssb
20:12<sney>the dpkg bot just gave you short form instructions. if you get confused about any steps ask here.
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20:19<Finetundra>hello everyone, i need to set an application running under mono to run at startup for all users. anyone have any ideas?
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20:20<sney>make an initscript for it, probably
20:20<Finetundra>how
20:20<sney>or do you mean run at logon for any user who logs in?
20:20<Finetundra>yes that
20:21<drijen>sney, is rc.local still considered a viable method for that?
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20:21<sney>rc.local is a hacky temporary measure at best, and it won't do the logon thing anyway
20:22<sney>Finetundra: if it's graphical, look up how to add an auto-start application for your gui of choice
20:22<sney>otherwise, call it from .profile
20:22<Finetundra>sney, i know how to add a startup application, but even if i add it it does not run
20:23<sney>those are details you need to provide when asking your question, mate
20:23<Finetundra>sorry. need i also mention that this is a custom made application
20:23<Finetundra>it does work though
20:24<Finetundra>just not at logon/startup
20:24<sney>maybe you need to provide the full path to mono when launching it.
20:25<Finetundra>um, how do i do that?the program is in the startup applications by path
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20:26<sney>in your shortcut or launcher settings etc have the command line as '/usr/bin/mono /path/to/whatever.exe' rather than just 'mono /path/to/whatever.exe'
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20:27<sney>alternately: a package I maintain has a mono component, and upstream distributes a helper script to launch the mono app
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20:29<sney>http://paste.debian.net/137358/ here's that helper script. maybe something here will help.
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20:30<Finetundra>thanks
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20:43<Finetundra>got anything else for me sney?
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21:52<trapier>/window/window merge
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22:11<suicidebait>ahoy.
22:11<suicidebait>i killed some homosexual for an oppurtunity to say hi.
22:11<suicidebait>can i get a thanks?
22:11<suicidebait>or you just like the rest of the squares?
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22:30<drijen>nothing says "hi, im an aol reject" like "ahoy"
22:30<drijen>i haven't heard that since 1989
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22:56<eightyeight>heh
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22:56<eightyeight>or the good old days oy 'asl'
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22:57<eightyeight>s/oy/of/
22:57<suicidebait>they do cows milk in europe too dont they....
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22:58<suicidebait>getting ready to boot the guy that doesnt milk cows?
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23:00<eightyeight>paranoid much, are we?
23:00<eightyeight>+l is setting a joined limit on the channel
23:00<suicidebait>yea, im always paranoid, is that a problem?
23:01<suicidebait>meh, im not trying to run a chat room.
23:01<suicidebait>im actually looking for "problem" solvers
23:02<suicidebait>like myself.
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23:02<suicidebait>freenode is full of overpowered fags.
23:02<suicidebait>no offense.
23:03<suicidebait>i guess im not porn star quality.... =/
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23:03<eightyeight>you're also off topic
23:03<drijen>go away
23:04<suicidebait>good one, which room am i looking for?
23:04<suicidebait>and dri, direct your chat idiot.
23:04<suicidebait>your offensive.
23:04<drijen>you're clearly about 5, have nothing relevant to offer, and your pathetic attempts at insult reek of self-confidence issues
23:05<suicidebait>your 5, and no, i wont sex you stfu.
23:05<JSavage>suicidebait: You mean "you're".
23:05<suicidebait>this is urgent.
23:05<suicidebait>and you fly an american flag?
23:05<suicidebait>thanks for telling?
23:05<suicidebait>so which chatroom do you recommend?
23:05<suicidebait>cuase that would be HELPFUL.
23:05<drijen>#suicidewatch
23:05<eightyeight>#oftc
23:06<JSavage>suicidebait: #nottor is a social channel. #moocows is also a social channel.
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23:06<JSavage>I don't know if I would recommend either, though.
23:06<suicidebait>oooo, i clicked it....it ididnt auto......
23:07<suicidebait>dri, your an idiot.
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23:07<suicidebait>meh, since then ill check the server list?
23:07<suicidebait>its alphebetically sorted.
23:07<suicidebait>which makes things stupid.
23:07<suicidebait>it should be user # organized?
23:08<suicidebait>for easy access?
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23:08<suicidebait>the ubuntu server is running like 1900 people.
23:08<suicidebait>its insane.
23:08<suicidebait>though debian is free also
23:08<suicidebait>opinion?
23:09<suicidebait>cuase ubuntu runs steam....a gaming organizer program required to play counterstrike
23:09<suicidebait>though im not sure if debian offers that feature.
23:09<suicidebait>or if the "staff" base of debian is any higher than ubuntu's right now
23:10<suicidebait>knowing that people really dont want to pay for windows.
23:10<suicidebait>is that ON TOPIC enough for you.
23:10<suicidebait>dri?
23:10<suicidebait>ya idiot.
23:11<drijen>too bad one can't /ignore co workers
23:11<eightyeight>heh
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23:12<suicidebait>ya, look who walked into jail and look who got thrown into it.
23:12<eightyeight>"how do i /ignore you in real life?"
23:12<suicidebait>i kno why you would want too.
23:13<suicidebait>but get serious.
23:13<suicidebait>or?
23:13<suicidebait>so?
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23:16<suicidebait>maybe you folks dont belong here.
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23:18<suicidebait>dearly noted.
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