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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-12-21

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00:01<deggggy>Hi, when I plug in a USB drive and try to mount it using Nautilus, I get the following error: "Unable to access DRIVE_NAME: Not authorized to perform operation"
00:01<deggggy>How do I grant permissions to auto mount the drive in nautilus?
00:02<deggggy>I've tried looking online, but there are dozens of different "ideas", and I can't tell which ones are crappy hacks, and which are the right ways to do it
00:06<deggggy>I can mount the disk as root, but then when I try to change the ownership of the drive in /media, I get "Input/output error"
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00:24<hagom>Does anyone having trouble with vlc 2.2.0 on debian jessie?
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00:24<hagom>everytime I open a video the system freeze and then crash
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00:27<deggggy>Who here likes fish tacos?
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00:36<deggggy>Really, nobody?
00:36<deggggy>How about squash soup?
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01:21<quark>ssh
01:21<quark>guys can some1 help me to play overthewire.org wargames
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03:37<anonymous>hi
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03:49<Kiranos>Hi If I have a logrotate config which is set on weekly rotation, will it always rotate on sundays? (as its weekly day) it seems like that on two of my machines, I dont know if its random or if its a fixed time, that rotate weekly on sundays
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03:53<bartm>Kiranos, negative. See the man page. "Log files are rotated if the current weekday is less than..."
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03:56<clarence>How do I deal with W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages
03:56<clarence>remove it?
03:57<bartm>clarence, a message about something duplicate usually disappears when removing the duplicate :-)
03:58<clarence>I tried rm /var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages
03:58<clarence>but I was failed
03:59<bartm>clarence, what exactly does that mean?
03:59<clarence>you mean?
04:00<clarence>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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04:00<bartm>clarence, note that the warning is about something duplicate in the sources files, so you'll need to look for something duplicate in the sources files
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04:01<clarence>source files? about source code?
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04:04<bartm>clarence, see /etc/apt/sources*
04:05<bartm>clarence, so no, not "source code" but rather "apt sources files", which are configuration files allowing apt to know where to download packages from
04:05<clarence>source list?
04:05<bartm>yes
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04:07<clarence>I used netselect-apt two times, but the source.list did not change.
04:07<bartm>clarence, sources.list and also the files in sources.list.d
04:08<clarence>I assume those files are hidden files.
04:09<bartm>no, they are not hidden, but possibly non-existent on your system
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04:11<Kiranos>bartm: ok thanks "This is normally the same as rotating logs on the first day of the week," then sundays it seems like as that is day 0
04:13<clarence>@bartm non-existent ?
04:14<bartm>clarence, meaning that it's possible that there are no files in directory /etc/apt/sources.list.d on your system.
04:17<clarence> I am using root to edit source.list in gedit, but I cannot found it in /var/lib/apt/ http://imgur.com/mmtX8HC
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04:19<bartm>clarence, look for lines similar or containing parts of "http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages" (from the message you posted here)
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04:20<clarence>in source list,http://imgur.com/MCFVMpC
04:22<clarence>in the directory which system told me is in /var/lib/apt/lists, but I cannot delete them
04:22<clarence>*still exist*
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04:26<bartm>clarence, I asked what exactly that meant...
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04:35<clarence>I solved it!
04:35<valdyn>clarence: how?
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04:37<clarence>delete the source.list and netselect-apt stable, and click on it, deleted one line
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04:37<clarence>my source.list is completely new
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04:41<bartm>good for you clarence :-)
04:42<clarence>if I need to upgrade Debian some days, how do I upgrade?
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04:43<bartm>I'm not gonna give a command line answer this time :-)
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06:58<clarence>ATI vs NVIDIA , which one support Linux better *and* still update-able ?
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07:00<towo`>clarence, ati has the better support with free frivers
07:00<towo`>s/f/d
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07:01<clarence>s/f/d ?
07:01<uso>clarence: the release notes describe how to upgrade a debian system, see e.g. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes for upgrading to the next debian release (be aware it's not ready yet)
07:03<mitrom>clarence, ati has the better support with dree drivers
07:03<clarence>thank you
07:04<clarence>Can I get up-to-date graphic card drivers?
07:04<clarence>for ati
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07:40<clarence>i tried to download a doc file, but it turned to zip file
07:40<clarence>how can I fix it?
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07:42<clarence>hello?
07:42<gry>clarence, doc or docx
07:42<clarence>it should be docx
07:42<gry>clarence, open it with abiword or libreoffice. that formats is an archive, you just need to ask your os to open it with a correct program
07:43<clarence>doable?
07:43<gry>if a program is installed then yes
07:43<gry>abiword and libreoffice are in debian repos
07:43<clarence>it can be opened now
07:44<clarence>but I still want to know the reason
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07:45<gry>your file properties contained an incorrect association
07:45<gry>if you right cick the file then you can set a correct program in its options so that you double click to open
07:46<gry>what chain of events caused such situation i don't know; normally libreoffice sets that when it's installed
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07:59<nico>+i usbaudio
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08:04<nico>Hi, I'm on Debian testing with kernel 3.16.0 on amd64. A USB audio device is not detected when I plug it and nothing appears in /var/log/messages or dmesg. It used to work of few updates ago. The USB audio device is detected if it is connected at boot time already though (but will stop working if I unplug and replug it). Any idea what to look at?
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08:12<SynrG>nico: does lsusb show it when plugged in?
08:13<nico>SynrG: no, it doesn't
08:14<SynrG>that's strange, in and of itself
08:14<SynrG>even if udev doesn't know what to do with it, i would expect lsusb to at least show something there
08:14<SynrG>also, see #debian-next for support for testing/unstable
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08:17<nico>SynrG: ok, thanks
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08:28<sajadsrajudeen>hi
08:28<sajadsrajudeen>is there anybody
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12:39<safinaskar>what is default package which provides "mail"/"sendmail" console tool?
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12:41<peter1138>heirloom-mailx / bsd-mailx
12:41<safinaskar>peter1138: thanks
12:41<safinaskar>peter1138: what is these programs is standard?
12:42<safinaskar>peter1138: i. e. what comes with default installation of debian?
12:42<safinaskar>*what is from these programs
12:42<peter1138>heirloom-mailx i think
12:43<safinaskar>peter1138: why these programs called "mailx" and not "mail"?
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12:45<peter1138>pass
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12:58<uso>safinaskar: because it provides mailx, an "extended" mail utility, the original mail utility e.g. did not provide a -s option as far as I remember
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13:09<safinaskar>peter1138: iso: thanks
13:10<safinaskar>uso: thanks
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13:51<galup>chat en français?
13:52<SynrGy>!fr
13:52<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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14:58<christophe>hi
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15:03<musca>hi christophe
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15:23<christophe>hi
15:24<christophe>my amarock player wont read music anymore
15:24<christophe>plus now It won't start atall
15:24<christophe>at all
15:24<christophe>I tried to reinstall unsuccessfuly
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15:26<musca>christophe: try to run the amarok command from terminal. Perhaps you will get more useful error messages.
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15:42<lenzi>Hey there. Would you recommend crunchbang on a 2GHz c2d?
15:42<sney>this is #debian, we wouldn't recommend crunchbang
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15:43<sney>are you maybe in the wrong channel?
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15:44<lenzi>actually... I've never tried debian.
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15:44<lenzi>lets do this
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15:56<bighornram>I'm trying to create bootable USB drive for UEFI. I've used Rufus as google finds, with amd64testing current iso. Keeps booting to grub cmd line. What do I do?
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16:23<sleser>speeker icon next to clock changed again . on its own . this time i cant witch back . i switch back but it wont play sound
16:23<sleser>i bbl to read help
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16:37<feurd>Hello! I'm a rookie and just installed debian on my laptop, and God knows why (maybe to learn quicker), I didn't install any graphical interface. I can do some stuff with the terminal, that's ok. But I'm totally lost according to what I should install to have some graphical elements : what's the difference between a window manager, a display manager, a desktop environment, X11, xstart, Gnome, ... I hear about all of this stuff a lot, but I
16:37<feurd> can't indentify the difference. And as a consequence, I don't know what I need to modify/install in order to change my graphical interface (I want to install i3). Could someone enlight me about this?
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16:38<feurd>Im of course open to a reference that explains this in simple words.
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16:39<Brigo>feurd, that is too much information for an irc channel, ask google.
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16:41<Brigo>feurd, tray to run tasksel -or install it if not installed-.
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16:44<feurd>Brigo, Thanks, you're right, it's a bit too much. So tasksel is the first step. Good. I'll see what it is more precisely. Would you mind telling me the next steps (very briefly) so I can at least have some directions and know what to look for?
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16:46<rryoumaa>is initrd created from a set of files on the running system someplace? or is it just carried along as is?
16:46<Brigo>feurd, you can try to install i3-wm package and restart, but i think it will not suffice.
16:46<Brigo>rryoumaa, it is created.
16:46<rryoumaa>Brigo: where are the files or config files it is created from?
16:47<Brigo>feurd, try to install task-desktop and see.
16:47<Brigo> /etc/defaults i guess
16:48<feurd>Brigo, Ok I'll try that. But shouldn't I install "X.Org" (I don't really know what it is but it seems to be a crucial element for graphical interface...)
16:48<Brigo>rryoumaa, check docs in /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools and man pages like man update-initramfs
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16:49<Brigo>feurd, task-desktop will install it.
16:49<feurd>Brigo, Ok great.
16:50<rryoumaa>Brigo: checked both places, did not find any file locations for the files that are in initrd.img.*, nor did i find any config files that point to system files that will be copied there
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16:50<rryoumaa>(similar with mkinitramfs)
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16:51<Brigo>rryoumaa, if you want to check it uncompress it. It is in /boot
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16:52<Brigo>rryoumaa, the config file is /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf
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16:52<rryoumaa>that file does not contain any list of files that will be copied into the initrd
16:53<rryoumaa>i am guessing that it is not created, but is instead just created only during installation then carried along, but i have no idea
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17:00<Brigo>rryoumaa, it is updated if you install a new kernel, new driver -like nvidia- or modiffy somthing from initrd.
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17:01<rryoumaa>Brigo: right, which makes me wonder from where
17:02<Brigo>i think it add only files from some directories like /lib or so.
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17:28<christophe>Hi
17:28<christophe>I've been searching for random playlist creator just now
17:29<christophe>This is not so easy
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17:31<valdyn>rryoumaa: just read the source
17:33<valdyn>rryoumaa: and the initramfs creation can be triggered directly (by calling mkinitramfs directly) or its done from the kernel deb postinst script
17:33<valdyn>rryoumaa: which in turn means you can use dpkg-reconfigure to call it
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17:34<petn-randall>christophe: Random playlist of what?
17:34<petn-randall>christophe: I think rhythmbox can create random playlists out of your music collection.
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17:42<christophe>rhythum box can do it
17:42<christophe>I'll see with it
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17:46<christophe>I actually xant to create a random playlist music of 80 minutes
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18:49<gioans>#debian
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18:49<gioans>hello
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18:56<musca>hello gioans
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18:59<haris>hay community
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19:00<haris>anyone
19:00<musca>hej haris :)
19:01<haris>hay
19:01<haris>i need some help
19:01<musca>!ask
19:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:02<haris>i just installed a fresh install od Debina 64bit 7.7.0. And i cant edit my source.list file the editor is telling me thet the file is "read.only" so i cant add more sources to the list. im the administrator account
19:04<cjm>Has anyone have trouble with recovering from sleep mode on Debian Jessie (Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64) VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G84GL [Quadro FX 1700] (rev a1). When 'wakening' the computer I get grabbled video, although the system is not frozen. Also I canot switch to another terminal.
19:04<mtn>haris: you need to be root to edit that file. or use sudo if you set it up.
19:04<planetmaker>haris, only root has the right to edit that. Use sudo vim /etc/sources.list
19:05<planetmaker>(and use the right filename, unlike my quote above ;) )
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19:05<rudi_s>No, use sudoedit, not sudo vim ..!
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19:07<musca>vim starts in visual command mode, keys are interpreted as commands ... not the easiest editor for a beginner.
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19:09<haris>I just got something, i enteered sudoedit /etc/sources.list but i get a empty list.
19:10<Marillion>haris: sounds like a vserver host?
19:10-!-sitinavra [~sitinavra@athedsl-19165.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:10<haris>So we cant fix it ?
19:11<musca>the correct file name is /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:12<mtn>haris: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
19:14<mtn>haris: might be a good idea to read this, too: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
19:14<cjm>Harris: Have you adduser your admin account to sudo user group ?
19:15<haris>i got the sources, how can i save changes ?
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19:15<Marillion>ZZ
19:15<haris>writeOut ?
19:16<Marillion>double Z, yes
19:16*Marillion believe that is vim
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19:18<Marillion>cjm: not nedded, sudo works without that, unless you don't know the root password
19:18<Marillion>s/nedded/needed
19:18<haris>:D sorry for being anoing, how to "ZZ"
19:18<gioans>hello
19:18<gioans>i am new debian
19:19<haris>I get to the edit panel of nano with the terminal. i entered sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list
19:19<haris>hy gioans
19:20<gioans>haris: i am from vietnam
19:20<gioans>and you?
19:20<haris>Bosna and Hecegovina
19:20<Marillion>this NOT a social channel
19:21<haris>marillion is right :D
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19:21<gioans>if not a social channel so what is this?
19:22<Marillion>gioans: are you kidding me
19:22<haris>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:23<Marillion>!offtopic
19:23<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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19:24<gioans>Marillion yes i'm
19:24<petn-randall>gioans: Then just head off to #debian-offtopic to have a chat. :)
19:25<haris>can someone tel me how to save my canges in nano on terminal ?
19:25<haris>:)
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19:26<cjm>ctrl X
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19:26<Marillion>haris: you see the bottom of the program, that tell what you can do
19:27<gioans>i'm use ubuntu studio now i don't know it vesion
19:27<Marillion>!ubuntu
19:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
19:27<gioans>it not the same linux mint
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19:27<Marillion>!debian-derivates
19:28<gioans>dpkg: i'm sorry
19:28<dpkg>gioans: i haven't a clue
19:28<haris>Hell yeah it works now :)
19:28<haris>Tnx community :)
19:28<gioans>dpkg: i want chat with ubuntu studio, what i to do ?
19:28<dpkg>i don't know, gioans
19:29<haris>try under ubuntu ?
19:29<gioans>What purpose here ?
19:30<gioans>if not chat and help?
19:30<dvs>gioans: This is for Debian help, not Ubuntu
19:31<gry>gioans: chat and help -- to be more specific, we don't support ubuntu, because where it does deviate from debian, it takes hours to troubleshoot and the ubuntu folks would know about it much better
19:31<gioans>dvs: i'm sorry, i 'm new linux /ubuntu, so i don't know anything
19:32<gry>gioans: the other distro is not only rebranded, it has other different things
19:32<gry>gioans: modified packages, different set of default settings, different behaviour
19:32<gry>gioans: you're welcome to stay here and help out, but you're encouraged to /also/ join the relevant official ubuntu channels and ask your questions there
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19:32<dvs>what?
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19:33<gry>dvs: where?
19:33<haris>Or switch to Debian, im new to.
19:34<gioans>gry: i'm sorry i want chat with all people, what i must uses viesion debian ?
19:34-!-T0rch [~T0rch@0001cbdf.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
19:34<gry>gioans: you're not using debian, you're using ubuntu. these people moved the version file under the blanket; you have to ask them where exactly it is, we're not going to guess that
19:35<gry>gioans: they like moving things around and trying to guess where exactly is outside of this channel scope
19:36<gioans>what i to do now?
19:36<haris>gioans: go to server then join channel and enter #ubuntu
19:37<gry>gioans: irc://irc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
19:38<gioans>gry: thanks
19:38<haris>not much happening there :(
19:38<gioans>God bless you!
19:38<haris> ;)
19:38<gry>see you later
19:39<gioans>see you!
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19:40<haris>I just have another problem, is there an alternative for silverlight ?
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19:46<Radix>Hola, ¿Como hacer funcionar el make en debian?
19:48<dvs>!es
19:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
19:48<Urek_Mazino>si
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20:49<scientes>does anyone know how i can splice together the youtube 1440p videos which don't have audio nor a proper container?
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22:48<catern>youtube-dl?
22:48<catern>he's gone :(
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23:37<TowerOne>Hey folks, just have a quick question - I'm spreading a new installation between a root partition on a small SSD and another partition on a large HDD for certain non-essential programs. User files and media are stored on a shared exfat partition. What should I mount the HDD partition as? /opt? /var? /usr/local?
23:38<TowerOne>I mostly want to install, like, GIMP and stuff to it, and I'm unfamiliar with how to define installation locations in Linux
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