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00:18<galvao>Hi everyone. I'm using wheezy and I've noticed my disk is constantly being accessed (notebook here, I can see the indicating led). I've installed iotop and when I toggle the 'o' option I can see two things accessing it: jdb2/sda1-8 and gvfsd-metadata. My knowledge is not very good on disks partitions and such so can anyone give me some advice?
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00:18<galvao>btw, my partition is ext4
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00:25<ncl>How do I stop ntpdate from updating time when I connect to a network, without removing ntpdate entirely?
00:26<ncl>I could remove etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/ntpdate and /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate, but wouldn't updates replace them?
00:28<uso>galvao: jdb2 is only a kernel thread writing the journal to disk (as far as I know), gvfsd-metadata is the culprit (gnome virtual file system deamon). I'm not sure what it's writing to disk, but it may write file access times to disk (as the name may suggest). Check your mount options if you at least mount with relatime (should be the default). You may also try out mount option noatime if you don't use programs which need the access time.
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00:29<uso>ncl: when these files are not markes as conffiles then an update will recreate them
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00:30<galvao>uso: Can you please guide me? Here are the contents of my /etc/fstab: http://pastebin.com/YEScSmNW
00:30<uso>check dpkg -s ntpdate to see which files are marked as config files
00:30<galvao>I'm not confident enough to change them by myself without help
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00:31<galvao>no relatime or noatime...
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00:32<uso>galvao: relatime is the default
00:32<galvao>oh ok
00:33<galvao>uso: so, I should add "noatime" with no quotes after rw on line 13? Something like that?
00:33<uso>but you have anything in the root partition, so it's mounted by the initramfs, check /proc/mounts for the effective options
00:34<galvao>uso: http://pastebin.com/7pDv5MHb
00:34<uso>galvao: in general yes, but in your case with anything on the root partition I'm not sure where to set that
00:34<cootcraig>When I install Debian jessie xfce desktop, is it expected that a network manager such as wicd is installed separately in order to configure a wireless network interface?
00:34<ncl>uso: thanks
00:35<cootcraig>I expected that the base install would have a wireless network manager.
00:35<galvao>uso: The last link is my /proc/mounts
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00:36<uso>galvao: so relatime is set at least
00:36<galvao>uso: Line 7, right?
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00:38<uso>galvao: you can try to set noatime in the kernel line in grub
00:38<uso>yes, line 7
00:39<uso>galvao: best is probably to try it out first and edit the kernel line on boot
00:39<galvao>uso: can you guide me?
00:40<uso>(and not to change the grub config as you may make your system unbootable when you edit the grub config)
00:40<uso>galvao: you use grub to boot?
00:41<galvao>uso: Yes
00:42<uso>in the grub screen there's an option to edit the boot command, I don't remember the exact key combination
00:42<uso>in that edit mode attach to the "ro" in the kernel line the "noatime" option, separated with a comma, no space in between
00:43<galvao>uso: so, if it goes wrong I can edit it back to original by rebooting?
00:43<uso>save that change and boot, I think it's ctrl-x, but read the comments, it's listed
00:43<uso>galvao: you do not even edit it back, it's gone automatically after the boot
00:43<galvao>I see
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00:44<uso>so just boot anbother time and you should be back to the old behavior
00:44<galvao>so to enter the "edit screen" I need to reboot now right?
00:44<uso>yes :), if it's the system you are on now
00:44<galvao>yep
00:44<galvao>k, brb (hopefully :) )
00:44<galvao>oh, one more thing
00:45<galvao>if by any chance I see relatime there I then substitute relatime for noatime right?
00:45<uso>galvao: shouldn't be, but yes
00:45<galvao>k
00:45<uso>also I'm not sure if that's the correct place for the option, never tried it
00:46<uso>buit it's worth a try, no risk other than a 2nd boot :)
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00:46<galvao>k
00:46<galvao>brb
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00:58<galvao>uso: I decided to try a different approach. Since it wasn't happening before I've installed clamav, freshclam and clamtk, I'm testing after purging those packages, so no noatime for now
00:59<galvao>also, it wan't happening right away, but some time after the boot, so I'll be monitoring and I'll be here :)
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01:01<uso>galvao: np :), I just tried out the boot option myself and it did not work, so you did a good choice for now :)
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01:02<uso>but there's an even easier way to at least test noatime in case you still need it
01:02<uso>you can remount the root fs with that option: mount -o remount,noatime /
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01:05<jm_>relatime (which is the default) not good enough?
01:07<uso>maybe the disk access indeed is caused by the av programs
01:08<galvao>yes, that's what I was thinking
01:08<galvao>still monitoring tho
01:08<galvao>so far so good
01:08<uso>galvao: the mount options in the fstab are honored even in case of the root file system, so in case you need to change the option later you can change it there
01:09<uso>but maybe your problem is already solved :)
01:09<jm_>but for rootfs you probably need to rebuild initramfs image after changing fstab when using debian kernels
01:09<galvao>I sure hope so, that crazy led freaks me out
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01:14<jm_>looks like that's not true, rootflags are parsed from /proc/cmdline if they exist there
01:16<uso>jm_: I just have tried it out, adding it in grub to the kernel command line did not work while adding it to fstab did work
01:17<uso>I also would have expected it the other way around, but the root fs has to be remounted anyway from ro to rw, so maybe the fstab options are taken into account there
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01:23<jm_>uso: you need to add it as rootflags=... (see man initramfs-tools)
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01:28<uso>jm_: thanks, that's the point I missed
01:29<galvao>Well, guys, so far so good, so I think the culprit was really the AV
01:29<uso>I still prefer not to fiddle around with grub or initramfs when adding the option to fstab also works
01:29<galvao>Thank you very much for your help, uso and jm_
01:29<uso>galvao: you found the solution yourself :)
01:29<galvao>and don't worry, if it starts again I'll come back running lol
01:29<jm_>uso: and yeah, it uses it from fstab when remounting "rw" if I checked correctly
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01:30<galvao>well I wouldn't have thinked it without our conversation =)
01:30<galvao>Thanks again, I'm out :)
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02:42<voltagex>I'm trying to install wine that I built with git-buildpackage and I'm getting the following: http://sprunge.us/IZEC
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03:49<babilen>judd: checkbackport wine
03:49<judd>Backporting package wine in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libfreetype6-dev (>= 2.5.1).
03:49<babilen>judd: checkbackport libfreetype6-dev
03:49<judd>Backporting package libfreetype6-dev in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual.
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03:51<babilen>voltagex: You'll have to enable wheezy-backports and backport and install libfreetype6-dev before wine. Please also consider tracking jessie directly at this point in the release cycle. See <wheezy->jessie> for that.
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04:04<deggggy>I'm trying to do apt-get dist-upgrade and I'm getting "Err http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ jessie/main python-yaml amd64 3.11-1+b1
04:04<deggggy> 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80]
04:04<deggggy>"
04:04<ixi>do apt-get update
04:09<deggggy>ixi, thanks :)
04:09<ixi>np
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04:09<jm_>deggggy: also note that support for jessie is in #debian-next
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04:11<voltagex>sorry babilen, I'll hop over to #debian-next
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04:42<phil_>I just had a rather unpleasant experience with gnome-disks nuking some partitions and was curious if there are issues unique to jessie (testing) or if gnome-disks just isn't ready for prime time with non-standard partitioning schemes. anyone know?
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04:44<jm_>for jessie ask in #debian-next
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04:45<phil_>will do... thanks
04:45<babilen>phil_: And take a look at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=gnome-disk-utility
04:48<phil_>babilen: thanks... I did check there but didn't see anything that appeared immediately relevant
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04:51<babilen>phil_: Well, you didn't mention that, so I had a look and suggested to do the same
04:52<radu>hello
04:52<radu>did someone know yahoo server adress ?
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04:54<babilen>182.22.59.229 is one of Yahoo's. How is that related to Debian though and what are you trying to do/achieve ?
04:54<phil_>no worries... it was the right suggestion to make
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04:55<phil_>yahoo has a few other ip's (understatement) and they'll vary depending on where you are located
04:56<radu>i`m tryng to connect to yahoo messenger from Gajim
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04:57<babilen>And you have problems with that?
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05:06<radu>yes babilen
05:08<babilen>.. go on
05:08<radu>i need the yahoo messenger server adress from yahoo messenger
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05:09<radu>i only find that in windows
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05:10<babilen>What have you tried so far to deal with the problem? What is the *exact* problem you are facing? (i.e. What do you do and what is the result of that). What would you do if somebody were to give you this IP address?
05:11<babilen>But feel free to take it from "dig scs.msg.yahoo.com"
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05:56<petn-randall>Monotoko: Not quite, I work as DevOps.
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06:09<mjt>does touchscreen work on (debian) linux? I've a noteboot with a 10-finger touch panel, it works fully in windows (8), but in jessie it only acts as mouse. In particular, scrolling does not work.
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07:40<valdyn>gpointing-device-settings can probably enable some features
07:40<valdyn>i dont know if it supports 10 fingers...
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07:47<mjt>gpointing-device-settings only recognizes the touchpad, not touchscreen
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07:47<mjt>ie, there's only one device listed by it
07:48<mjt>but I've no idea how these touchscreens work really -- might it be a "part" of the touchpad somehow? :)
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10:47<closingin>Hi all, is that new domain normal ? "Hit http://repository.violetsky.ch wheezy Release.gpg"
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10:48<closingin>My sources.list points on ftp.debian.org, but apt-get update give me that
10:49<closingin>Whois of the server : http://paste.debian.net/137990/
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11:01<closingin>Problem solved, that was related to a steam fork updater
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11:37<ioerror>do i want to use linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae if i want 32bit kernel support with SMP? (as upposed to 3.16.0-4-586 which appears to have no SMP support)
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11:39<jordanm>686 should be used on all CPUs newer than pentium 3
11:39<jordanm>so basically anything < 15 years old
11:39<ioerror>that is what i thought
11:40<ioerror>I'm using Tails here and somehow, it ships with 3.16.0-4-586
11:40<jordanm>tails?
11:40<ioerror>Tails is basically a pure blend, so I consider that this means they've selected the wrong debian kernel
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11:40<ioerror>they ship two, one amd64, one 586
11:40<ioerror>they should ship, i think amd64 debian kernel and linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae
11:40<jordanm>!tell ioerror about based on debian
11:40<jordanm>ioerror: it's not a pure blend
11:41<ioerror>jordanm: i qualified it with 'basically'
11:41<ioerror>jordanm: they're working on it
11:41<ioerror>in any case - this is a question about debian kernels for debian live
11:41<Apollo>!tails
11:41<dpkg>Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net.
11:41<Apollo>^ Tails is not supported here
11:41<ioerror>i am asking about debian kernels
11:42<ioerror>are debian kernels not a valid topic of discussion?
11:42<jordanm>no, not really
11:42<irl>tails is pretty heavily debian
11:42<Apollo>It is not debian, therefore not supported here
11:42<jordanm>irl: so are tons of other distros based on debian that we don't support in this channel
11:42<jordanm>it has it's own channel
11:42<ioerror>yeah, i'm a debian developer, i was just trying to figure out why tails lost smp support
11:43<ioerror>because they use pure debian kernels
11:43<ioerror>and that is why i asked here - to understand which kernel debian supports for smp
11:43<irl>is there an smp 586 kernel?
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11:43<ioerror>which is now clear ( linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae) and that anyone using 3.16.0-4-586 won't have smp
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11:43<irl>i think the 586 kernel is the one used by the installer
11:43<irl>which should run on as many things as possible
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11:44<irl>which is annoying, because that means that live cds end up using it when built with live build where you want the installer to work
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11:44<irl>although tails has the custom installer, not debian installer, so it shouldn't be a problem for tails if they switch to the 686 kernel
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11:45<irl>i'm currently having similar things to work out with the debian hamradio pure blend live cd
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12:37<Tr0il>hello i would like to understand why xchat with debian works so bad
12:38<Tr0il>i can connect to a given server, but when i exit I can't reconnect to it
12:38<Tr0il>can anybody help me?
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14:01<asig>I don't know if this is the right place to ask...
14:02<asig>I want to report missing documentation about the man page for printf, should I use the bug tracking system?
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14:04<asig>if so, what package is the correct one?
14:04<valdyn>asig: which documentation about the man page for printf is missing?
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14:05<asig>there are no sections "RETURN VALUE" and "ERRORS"
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14:05<asig>as found, for example, here: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/fprintf.html
14:05<valdyn>asig: if you are talking about the C printf then its not missing
14:05<asig>I think they would be useful
14:06<valdyn>asig: "man 1 printf" and "man 3 printf"
14:06<asig>so how can I see them?
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14:06<asig>man 3, the C library functions
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14:06<valdyn>asig: /Return value
14:07<valdyn>Upon successful return, these functions return the number ...
14:07<asig>you're right, somehow I missed it
14:08<asig>I still don't see the errno part though
14:08<valdyn>asig: thats in man strerror
14:09<valdyn>asig: or / and man errno
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14:11<asig>so nothing specific about printf. well that's alright I guess
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14:11<asig>thanks a lot, at least I didn't do something stupid like reporting it
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14:54<TwoPoint7182818>I just did a new install, and the default fonts in fbterm are kinda glitchy...
14:55<TwoPoint7182818>This isn't the case on my other computer, but I'm not sure if this is a resolution thing, a framebuffer thing, or a font thing.
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15:03<SynrGy>TwoPoint7182818: to the point of unusability or just poor aesthetics?
15:03<SynrGy>TwoPoint7182818: what does "kinda glitchy" look like?
15:05<SynrGy>fresh install of stable or testing?
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15:06<TwoPoint7182818>The k's always have a line to the right of them, the curves in 'r''e' etc have a few random pixels near them, and some lines are missing in some letters like 'm'
15:06<TwoPoint7182818>Stable.
15:06<SynrGy>ah, i see
15:06<SynrGy>yes. same in unstable
15:07<SynrGy>some kind of scaling artefact, looks like
15:07<SynrGy>i don't know how it decides to scale ...
15:07<SynrGy>i start with a console with readable font, but fbterm makes the font smaller
15:08<sney>could be a funky dpi thing, like we used to see on the eeepc
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15:09<SynrGy>funny you should say that. i'm testing on an eeepc ;)
15:10<TwoPoint7182818>My eeepc is the one that manages it impeccably straight out of the box.
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15:10<TwoPoint7182818>The new one is a Thinkpad x220.
15:11<SynrGy>nope. i can't for love or money get any font to look right
15:11<SynrGy>at any resolution
15:11<SynrGy>TwoPoint7182818: file a bug. describe the corruption precisely.
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15:12<SynrGy>every "k" has a vertical line after it, just like you say
15:12<SynrGy>ditto the random pixels
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15:14<SynrGy>the digit 2, for instance
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15:23<TwoPoint7182818>SynrGy: Have you filed one?
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15:30<SynrGy>TwoPoint7182818: no. i'm not an fbterm user, so i hardly care
15:31<SynrGy>as much as possible, bugs should be filed by actual users with problems. a proxy cannot give the developer valuable feedback about real-life use of the software.
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18:06<bercik121>I am new to Debian so I would like to say hi to you all! :) I have just installed bumblebee-nvidia and my KDE does not start. When i log in to root and type "startx", the sesion starts. I wanted to post you my Xorg.log, but what paste utility do you recommand here?
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18:08<mitrom>hi bercik121
18:08<bercik121>hi mitrom!
18:09<mitrom>bercik121, Anything will do, pastie, pastebin
18:09<mitrom>But pastie duplicates @ signs so be careful
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18:12<devil>bercik121: did you follow https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee ?
18:12<sudoBacon>Hello Im debating on switching to Debian Testing I heard / read somewhere is part rolling or rolling release. What for example would be done to update Debian Testing Wheezy to Debian Testing jessie. Just an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
18:13<bercik121>mitrom: well, now my Xorg.log shows nothing interesting because I logged in succesfully as a root. Before it was saying something like (EE) Server terminated succesfully (0)
18:13<mitrom>root is singular
18:13<mitrom>le only one root
18:14<mitrom>You shouldn't run it as root
18:14<mitrom>I don't think
18:14<bercik121>mitrom: but I could startx only as the root. Normally my system doesn't boot up to login screen
18:15<mitrom>hrm, i guess whatever works
18:15<mitrom>try running rcconf
18:15<bercik121>It's not recognized by my shell
18:17<sudoBacon>Does anyone know about my previous question relating to debian testing
18:18<bercik121>mitrom: ok, I installed rcconf. What to do with it?
18:18<mitrom>sudo rcconf
18:18<mitrom>its a nice curses thing
18:19<bercik121>but how could I fix my bumblebee problem with it?
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18:26<bercik121>Guys, i found that I have to add "rcutree.rcu_idle_gp_delay=1" to grub command line... I started to edit grub.cfg what in thich line should I paste it?
18:27<bercik121>Assume that I found the right kernel entry
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18:52<bercik121>Guys, I did troubleshooting from https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee but I still get error as shown in logs: http://pastebin.com/CftpNyL0 http://pastebin.com/Es7wrBzS Would you please suggest me some fix?
18:56<bercik121>Kern.log shows nothing wrong
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19:10<bercik121>Guys, I did troubleshooting from https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee but I still get error as shown in logs: http://pastebin.com/CftpNyL0 http://pastebin.com/Es7wrBzS Would you please suggest me some fix? I can't find anything wrong in kern.log
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19:17<haris>Hay Comunnity, i downloaded a book about python 3 and while reding it i considered thet i have python 2.7.8 installed on my Debian 7.7.0 Whezzy, how can i upgrade my python to 3.4 ?
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19:43<osw>hey, does anyone use $XDG_CONFIG_HOME to keep $HOME clean of so many dotfiles?
19:44<osw>was reading this http://ordiluc.net/fs/libetc/README
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20:09<qwerty>hi
20:09<qwerty>sup ?
20:09<qwerty>windows xp rulez
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20:10<nezZario>Hey folks
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21:17<darmstadt>I've upgrade to jessi but lost the X interface, didn't see anything in the changelogs about breakage though
21:17<darmstadt>is the X server broken?
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21:20<TwoPoint7182818>Can someone point me to a decent guide to filing bugs that holds your hand a bit and maybe tucks you in when you're scared?
21:22<TwoPoint7182818>Some hot cocoa would be nice as well.
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21:55<altsalt>Hello, I am trying to get debian-current on an Asus ux303ln and it keeps hanging on detecting network hardware. I believe that iwlwifi should work and have tried both the free and non-free images. Any guidance would be appreciated.
22:01<altsalt>oh, and I should mention that there is no rj45 port, else I would have just gone to that
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23:24<uso>TwoPoint7182818: check https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting as a start, not sure if that fits the "decent" though
23:25<uso>haris_: install the python3 package
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23:35<uso>TwoPoint7182818: and no need to be scared, just provide as much information as possible how to reproduce the bug
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