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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-12-26

---Logopened Fri Dec 26 00:00:33 2014
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02:56<shivam>sir i m confused with debian and ubutu ?
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03:55<norrec420>are sys-v or upstart/LSB(?) the default startup scripts?
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04:48<madduck>norrec420: Debian uses systemd by default now.
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05:03<peter1138>Not in Wheezy it doesn't.
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05:11<peter1138>norrec420, answer is sysv
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07:34<alainm>hola
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08:15<notAnonymous>https://packages.debian.org/fr/sid/wifi-radar It is not the best usage to install wifi on debian no ?
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08:20<ompaul>notAnonymous: enoparse are you asking how to install wifi or saying something else?
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08:21<notAnonymous>yes install wifi
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08:24<ompaul>!wifi
08:24<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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08:24<ompaul>notAnonymous: all the info you need for stuff in <braces like this> you type /msg dpkg braces like this
08:25<ompaul>and it works - unless you have a brand new dell 5000 it has need of one more /msg dpkg bdo kernel
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08:25<ompaul>that sorts 99.9% of all known wireless things the others are divided by broken hardware and machinery so new nobody knows about it
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09:42<[UP]Crystal>Hello! Does anyone use hardinfo on stable ? Network updater there says that "Contacting Hardinfo Central Database (failed)". Is it done or just for me?
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09:44<Miro>what is hardinfo & stable does mean for?
09:44<Miro>[UP]Crystal
09:44<Miro>say hello
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09:45<[UP]Crystal>I mean stable release of Debian, Wheezy.
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09:45<[UP]Crystal>https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/hardinfo
09:45<Miro>what happens to debian
09:47<Miro>can use du command to hear about hard nfo
09:47<Miro>and ps command to hear about processes
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09:48<[UP]Crystal>what are you talking about?
09:48<[UP]Crystal>I'm just asking if the hardinfo database is down at the moment or it's just a network issue from my side...
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09:49<Miro>noz 2 say
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09:59<petn-randall>[UP]Crystal: I don't know, but you can also use 'lshw' to show a complete list of hardware in the machine.
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09:59<petn-randall>Miro: 'du' doesn't show info about hardware, it shows you the disk usage of all mounted block devices.
10:00<[UP]Crystal>Thanks, aware about "lshw" but I need exactly hardinfo for benchmark
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10:22<htrsrsg>Hello when I publish(edit) a file with the terminal, when I insers of the text, with the command(order) i, I cannot erase any more. If I make supp he(it) appears of the text and similar for the arrows of the keyboard.
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10:26<SynrGy>htrsrsg: sorry, i barely understood that sentence.
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10:27<SynrGy>htrsrsg: using a text editor? vim maybe?
10:27<htrsrsg>when I edit a system file to configure wi-fi, I can not delet with command and move.
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10:28<htrsrsg>vi /etc/network/interfaces
10:28<SynrGy>sounds like your terminal type may be messed up
10:28<SynrGy>ah. why vi?
10:29<htrsrsg>messade ?
10:29<htrsrsg>I do not know
10:29<theocrite>It you insist on ussing vi, try using 'x' instead of del/suppr.
10:29<SynrGy>would a non-modal editor like nano be easier for you?
10:30<SynrGy>or if you like modal editors, vim is nicer
10:30<SynrGy>i've never had trouble with delete or arrow-keys in that
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10:31<theocrite>htrsrsg: are you familiar with vi or vim ?
10:31<htrsrsg>no, thanks
10:31<htrsrsg>no
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10:32<theocrite>Then you should follow SynrGy's advice, unless you really want to learn vim.
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10:43<awal>Using darklooks gtk2 theme here but some apps like evince , audacious...wont use it. How to force all apps for use the choosen gtk2 theme?
10:43<M4dH4TT3r>dont listen to any of them both vi and vim suck big balls, use nano
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10:45<M4dH4TT3r>ohh weird... didnt realize i was in this chan...
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11:22<romy>hola
11:24<romy>alguien esta conectado??
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11:26<devil_>!es
11:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:43<awal>With update-alternatives one can default different stuffs in the system including x-cursor-theme; why isn't possible use it for default qt, gtk2 or 3 themes? That function can be implemented or itsn't the purpose of update-alternatives?
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11:56<muhammad>hello people
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12:16<Kureyslii>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
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12:31<uranix>Hello. Could someone give me a hand with dualbooting with UEFI? I've got a pair of SSD in a raid0 with win8 preinstalled. I've shrunk the partition and installed Debian Jessie beside, but there's no option in grub to boot wndows partition.
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12:49<awal>uranix, I believe that you cann't run debian alongside window8 in an official supported way because debian , unlike other distros: ubuntu, fedora, opensuse..., doesn't use a signed kernel. You must change turn off secure boot and use legacy boot mod in each boot.
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12:51<uranix>I've disabled secure boot. I can successfully boot debian. Also i can boot win8 if i change the boot entry in UEFI config. But os-prober fails to find windows8 so i have only debian in grub
12:52<awal>uranix, but I think that if you disable secure boot in your bios, uefi enabled, and reinstall windows8 if you have its dvd image, then you can use the 64 bit debian image and it will work just fine in uefi mode; i'm not sure if you will get an entry for windows8 in grub.
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12:54<awal>uranix, ther is maybe a debian grub channel; try #debian-grub. you may get more help...
12:55<uranix>awal, thanks
12:56<awal>uranix, do you really need windows8? if not, remove it and use just debian :)
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13:03<Human_G33k>hi, i try to create a Beowulf with 3 computers somebody have some good links for that or can explain me how to ?
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13:07<uranix>awal, I've manually added an entry to grub that chainloads windows8 native uefi bootloader
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13:11<awal>uranix, thats fine so. i hope you did it in wise way
13:11<awal>don't ask me what i can think about because I have no idea...
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13:14<awal>uranix, I'm curious about what you did exactly. can you paste the related file/changes?
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13:23<uranix>awal, I've modified /etc/grub.d/40_custom as in http://paste.debian.net/138168 (spotted a typo after posting, but it worked anyway) and ran update-grub
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13:28<awal>uranix, good for you
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13:48<edd>Greetings all...
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13:49<TwoPoint7182818>My computer doesn't seem to recognize the right dpi on startup. How do I fix this outside of X?
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13:51<TwoPoint7182818>I think this is what's causing certain scaling issues for me.
13:51<mitrom>TwoPoint7182818, xrandr
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13:53<TwoPoint7182818>That'll work outside of X? Because when I use ` xrandr --dpi <right value> `, outside of X it just tells me "can't open display"
13:53<mitrom>try just making a new mode
13:54<TwoPoint7182818>Who-what in the where now?
13:55<sney>dpi can also be adjusted through {g,k,light}dm configs and/or xinitrc, iirc
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14:00<TwoPoint7182818>Will that affect the base linux kernel console without loading X?
14:00<sney>hm. no.
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14:01<sney>console resolution modes can be set from grub, depending on your gpu, kms might be misbehaving or just plain giving up
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14:07<TwoPoint7182818>Do you know where I could find a DPI option in grub? Searching and having a hard time finding one
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14:19<uranix>TwoPoint7182818: Do you want to set DPI or just the resolution?
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14:23<uranix>Also, DPI is meaningful when it comes to vector fonts and afaik linux console uses bitmap ones
14:24<TwoPoint7182818>Possibly both?
14:24<TwoPoint7182818>Ok, then probably DPI.
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14:27<marioxcc_>Hello. Is it possible to remove the santa hat in the VLC version of Debian 7.7 without recompiling?
14:27<cjm>yes, just change the icon
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14:28<marioxcc_>cjm: I'm searching in the files of vlc-data, do you know where it is?
14:28<Sebastinas>marioxcc_: Preferences, show all settings, Interface, Qt, allow automatic icon change.
14:28<cjm>you in gnome ?
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14:29<marioxcc_>I'm using LXDE. I don't find a “show all settings” option in “Preferences”
14:29<sney>there's a radio button at the lower left
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14:30<marioxcc_>sney: In VLC 2.0.3 under LXDE?
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14:31<sney>well, this is 2.2 but the window manager should make no difference
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14:32<awal>marioxcc_, in vlc preferences -» bottom left there is advanced settings; check there
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14:33<marioxcc_>awal: there's a “show settings” label with an “all” button. I suppose you mean the “all” button, right?
14:34<awal>marioxcc_, yeah
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14:35<marioxcc_>Done. Thanks sney, cjm, awal.
14:35<sney>np
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15:02<TwoPoint7182818>Probably was doing it wrong, but I tried adding DPI=<right number> to /etc/default/grub then running update-grub, but that didn't seem to work.
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15:13<SynrG>TwoPoint7182818: where's the doc that says that should work?
15:14<SynrG>what "certain scaling issues" are you seeing?
15:14<TwoPoint7182818>artifacts in fbterm fonts, random lines, misplaced pixels, etc.
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15:16<SynrG>ah. you're the fbterm person i was helping before?
15:17<TwoPoint7182818>Yup. I found that a lot of people using the x220 have been saying that the correct DPI and/or resolution isn't detected, so I wanted to see if that might be the cause.
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15:18<SynrG>data point: i'm not on x220
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15:18<TwoPoint7182818>What are you on?
15:18<SynrG>yet fbterm behaves exactly the same for me. eeepc 1001px connected to external monitor, 1280x1024
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15:18<SynrG>the native resolution of the netbook itself is 1024x600
15:19<TwoPoint7182818>Oh neat, my other computer is a 1001pxd
15:19<SynrG>yep. same display characteristics, then
15:19<SynrG>did you reproduce the issue there?
15:19<TwoPoint7182818>No, but I've never connected to an external monitor
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15:20<SynrG>looks like in the console it only sees the upper left corner of the display area
15:20<SynrG>X can use the whole thing
15:21<SynrG>makes sense as it's only in X that i change the resolution
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15:22<TwoPoint7182818>Don't have the proper adapter to test if I can reproduce.
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15:22<SynrG>i'll try fbterm again, this time on the native display
15:27<SynrG>TwoPoint7182818: on the LCD alone it has the same issue
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15:29<TwoPoint7182818>Interesting: it doesn't have any issue on the 1001pxd
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15:30<SynrG>Which Debian release?
15:30<TwoPoint7182818>Jessie
15:30<SynrG>Sid. Shouldn't be that different though
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15:31<SynrG>Any special boot options?
15:31<TwoPoint7182818>Nope.
15:32<TwoPoint7182818>Filing a bug report now. Is there a proper term for this?
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15:38<SynrG>Against fbterm?
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15:41<TwoPoint7182818>Yup. Something like 'font scaling' or 'scaling artifacts'?
15:42<SynrG>Something like that. Though we have no proof yet scaling causes it.
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15:44<feurd>Hello. Is it possible to read a video file on my laptop if the file is saved on a remote computer (local network) with ssh? For now, I'm only able to launch the video on my remote computer, from my laptop.
15:44<sney>!sshfs
15:44<dpkg>sshfs is a <FUSE>-based filesystem using <SSH> for securely mounting remote resources. See http://fuse.sf.net/sshfs.html and http://sf.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse?title=SshfsFaq for more information. Remember to add yourself to the 'fuse' group. If you have problems with stale sshfs mounts, set ServerAliveInterval 30 (for 30 seconds) in /etc/ssh/ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config.
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15:45<TwoPoint7182818>Howabout corrupted fonts?
15:45<SynrG>yes. that's more to the point
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16:11<asd>Hello, can someone help me with sound?
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16:14<devil_>I need help with bicycle
16:14<devil_>!ask
16:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:18<asd>Okay so I got this pulseaudio thing, but I got no sound, I have debian version 7.7 and the KMix only lists "dummy output"
16:19<asd>the sound worked before installing pulseaudio
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16:19<devil_>kmix does null with pulseaudio. you need pavucontrol or veromix
16:20<asd>thats strange that KDE installed pulseaudio then
16:20<devil_>it did not
16:20<asd>but anyways, alsamixer only shows "pulseaudio"
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16:21<asd>okay I did something wrong then
16:21<asd>but rather than uninstalling pulseaudio, I would prefer to fix this
16:21<devil_>I told you how
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16:26<asd>ok, I installed pavucontrol but I just see dummy outout there
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16:28<devil_>please pastebin the output of dpkg -l | grep pulse
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16:33<asd>http://pastebin.com/kJyLQJ2u
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16:34<asd>My soundcard is Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
16:35<devil_>what is the backend set in systemsettings/media
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16:36<asd>VLC?
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16:37<devil_>yeah. should work
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16:37<devil_>maybe reboot helps :)
16:38<asd>nope, tried that
16:38<devil_>clueless then
16:38<asd>Let me try again, who knows
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16:42<asd>nope, no AVAIL
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16:55<bmtron>hi
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16:56<bmtron>err...
16:56<bmtron>oo
16:57<bmtron>ooo
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16:57<bmtron>oo
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16:57<SynrG>Play elsewhere
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17:04<Josephine21> Free Porn for Life!. Click Here! http://bit.do/sexxxvideohot
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17:22<TwoPoint7182818>Josephine21: Free as in speech, or free as in beer?
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17:52<feurd>What is the easiset way to synchronize two folders between to computers? Any ssh command?
17:52<feurd>*two computers
17:52<sney>rsync
17:52<feurd>sney, ok thanks, I'll have a look at it
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17:57<Guest3095>ciao
17:58<Guest3095>salve a tutti
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18:10<feurd>It seems that by default, with rsync, if a file with same name is present on both sides, the one on the destination side is replaced by the on from the original location. Is there a way to backup such 'twins' ?
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18:15<rudi_s>feurd: man rsync | less -p '--backup$'
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18:21<feurd>rudi_s, thanks, it's very close to what I would like, but not quite : instead of simply renaming the file with a tilde, could it be possible to copy it in a .backup folder created in the current directory? And do that recursively?
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18:22<rudi_s>feurd: Did you read the next option?
18:23<feurd>rudi_s, Oh... well... sorry... :)
18:23<rudi_s>np ;-)
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18:54<paxmark9>feurd Unison It will spit out differences between files (timestamp, size, ownership) and you can choose between the two.
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19:24<feurd>How is it possible that my external hard drive is on read-only when I visit it through nautilus, but I can write files through terminal (not in sudo mode) ?
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19:25<jordanm>feurd: is the drive mounted to two different locations?
19:26<feurd>jordanm, Not that I'm aware of.
19:27<jordanm>feurd: "mount" or "df" should show you
19:27<petn-randall>feurd: You using two different users?
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19:27<feurd>petn-randall, Nope, only me
19:28<feurd>there are too many lines I don't understand with these commands... :/
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19:28<feurd>but I'm pretty sure it's not mounted twice
19:28<feurd>at least, its name appears only once.
19:29<petn-randall>feurd: You can paste that output and the examples where it works and doesn't work to http://paste.debian.net
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19:30<canaima>houououo
19:31<feurd>petn-randall, that's for the command result : http://paste.debian.net/138204/
19:31<canaima>vamos a la playa a comer ensalada con tu hermana
19:31<canaima>ccasdasf
19:31<feurd>I don't understand your second point about examples
19:31<petn-randall>feurd: Which is the one the problematic HDD?
19:31<petn-randall>!es
19:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
19:32<petn-randall>canaima: ^^^^
19:32<feurd>petn-randall, its DEXTER
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19:33<petn-randall>feurd: And is it exactly the same operation that works in the command line, but doesn't work in the GUI?
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19:34<feurd>well, yes I think. I can create a folder with the command line, but if I try with the GUI, it says that it's on real-only.
19:34<feurd>I checked the permissions, it's not read-only for me.
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19:36<petn-randall>feurd: Can you paste the output that works, and also 'ls -al' of that directory where you create a new one?
19:36<feurd>But as a consequence, I have issues with rsync.
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19:39<feurd>petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/138207/
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19:40<petn-randall>feurd: Which release are you running?
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19:41<feurd>petn-randall, oh... I made a mistake, I'm under Ubuntu 14.04.
19:42<petn-randall>!ubuntu
19:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
19:42<petn-randall>feurd: ^^^ ask there. It might be an Ubuntu-specific problem, I haven't seen such a thing on Debian before.
19:42<feurd>petn-randall, Yeah sorry, I didn't realize I was still on the debian channel
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19:43<petn-randall>feurd: No problem, good luck.
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22:39<Killian9000>Hello?
22:40<Killian9000>anyone?
22:40<Killian9000>:/
22:40<oldlaptop>Killian9000: if you have a question, please ask
22:40<Killian9000>are you a user of a kano?
22:41<Killian9000>DUDE
22:41<Killian9000>Jesus
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22:42<Killian9000>(._.) Rlly Nolger?
22:42<Killian9000>DONT LEAVE
22:42<Killian9000>Gammit
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