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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-12-31

---Logopened Wed Dec 31 00:00:05 2014
00:01<ottah>So I bought a Lenovo W540 that comes with an intel 7260ac pci card, and it seems pretty good
00:01<ottah>I run X11 forwarding through it.
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00:02<hattrick>What kind of speed can the W540 achieve?
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00:09<ottah>With iperf I just got 48.2 Mbits/sec on 802.11a
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00:10<ottah>54 Mbits/sec average over a couple tries
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00:25<hattrick>Thx ottah! Is that link speed or throughput?
00:25<ottah>throughput using iperf over 802.11a
00:25<hattrick>IIRC the max throughput of 802.11g or 802.11a is 25 Mbps.
00:28<ottah>Wikipedia says 54 Mbit/s
00:28<hattrick>That's the link rate.
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00:33<hattrick>If you can get 1/2 of the advertised speed you're getting good results. e.g. 300 Mbps on the box results in 163 Mbps under optimal conditions.
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02:31<mmgc84>hello children :)
02:31<Deuchnord>hello, dad :)
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02:32<mmgc84>I love you all
02:32<Deuchnord><3
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02:33<mmgc84>have a nice freaking life!
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02:34<Deuchnord>oO
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02:34<Deuchnord>maybe Reverso made a mistake when it gave me the translation of “freaking”...
02:35<mmgc84>jajjajaja
02:35<mmgc84>Saludos desde Nicaragua :)
02:35<mmgc84>PIpippipia
02:35<mmgc84>:)
02:35<Deuchnord>what's this language? Italian?
02:36<Deuchnord>or Spanish maybe? :/
02:36<mmgc84>Nicañol Aka Spanish
02:36<Deuchnord>ah, okay ^^
02:36<mmgc84>ding ding ding :)
02:37<mmgc84>you have win my heart!
02:37<Deuchnord>xD
02:37<Deuchnord>un p'tit coucou de la France ! ^^
02:37<Deuchnord>(“Hello from France!”)
02:37<mmgc84>jajajjaaja
02:37<mmgc84>:)
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02:39<mmgc84>I would like to meet you Deuchnord!
02:39<mmgc84>all in due time :)
02:39<mmgc84>are you friends with zigo??
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02:40<mmgc84>He's my pal :)
02:40<mmgc84>And a very nice guy
02:40<mmgc84>I love him as aI love all human beings
02:40<Deuchnord>I don't know any person named Zigo :/
02:40<mmgc84>I am very excited :)
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02:41<mmgc84>that is hi nick
02:41<mmgc84>zigo or zygo
02:41<Deuchnord>don't know him :/
02:41<Deuchnord>(or her)
02:41<mmgc84>Thomas Goirand
02:42<mmgc84>He just move back to france :)
02:42<mmgc84>s/france/France x)
02:42<Deuchnord>hmmm, no ^^
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02:58<towski>I'm not seeing a bluetooth adapter even though my Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 card should have one
02:59<towski>rfkill list doesn't show bluetooth
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03:02<Deuchnord>towski, looks like you have to install the iwlwifi driver: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
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03:18<Deuchnord>just installed Qt Creator on Debian Jessie, and it doesn't detect any compiler nor Qt version... did someone already have this problem?
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03:36<tzafrir>When I suspend and resume, my X xkb layout seems to be reset.
03:37<tzafrir>I set it using a custom setxkbmap command
03:37<tzafrir>Any idea where it is set or to what is it reset?
03:38<tzafrir>(I use xmoand as a desktop, so no major desktop environment involved)
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03:53<tzafrir>hmmm... no. It's not reset on suspend.
03:53<tzafrir>Must be something else that resets it.
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04:20<rohan>hi
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04:42<TeslasMHD>x.x
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05:09<deepak>#servelots
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05:51<tyrth>Hello : how to choose the amorçage support and mount my disques from windows to see where install Debian ?
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05:54<blaisepaquier>hi
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05:56<tyrth>hi
05:57<blaisepaquier>i’m trying to install debian on ppc mac
05:57<blaisepaquier>it’s working until the graphical environment
05:58<blaisepaquier>I tried xfce, kde, gnome, no one is working
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06:02<blaisepaquier>someone ? :)
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06:05<robalni>blaisepaquier: What happens when it doesn't work? Do you get error messages?
06:05<blaisepaquier>well
06:05<The_Moye>salut à tous, certains parlent dans la langue de Nabila ?
06:05<blaisepaquier>if I type startxfce4 for example
06:05<blaisepaquier>moi oui
06:06<blaisepaquier>« /usr/bin/startxfce4 : Starting X server
06:06<The_Moye>parfait, bonjour blaisepaquier !
06:06<blaisepaquier>Fatal server error : servier is already active for display 0
06:06<Apollo>!fr
06:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
06:06<The_Moye>ah merci Apollo , j'y cours
06:06<blaisepaquier>:)
06:07<tyrth>moi aussi.
06:07<tyrth>Je ne compred pas vraiment pourquoi cette langue est si connue.
06:07<The_Moye>moi je ne comprends pas pourquoi Nabila est si connue
06:07<blaisepaquier>lol
06:07<blaisepaquier>robalni: ?
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06:13<robalni>blaisepaquier: Does it tell you to remove a file in /tmp?
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06:14<blaisepaquier>yes
06:14<robalni>try that
06:14<blaisepaquier>remove /tmp/.X0-lock
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06:15<blaisepaquier>same thing. I tried also startx -- :1
06:16<blaisepaquier>this leads me to a black screen
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06:17<blaisepaquier>now I have blue screen sometimes
06:17<SynrGy>if there truly is a server running on display 0, you don't want to remove the lockfile. and actually, iirc, there are two lockfiles to remove
06:18<SynrGy>plus, just trying things at random without checking logs for errors is unlikely to yield good results
06:19<SynrGy>maybe /var/log/Xorg.0.log ...
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06:20<SynrGy>if you have gdm running, for example, removing the lockfile and trying to start the server again for display 0 isn't going to help you
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06:20<SynrGy>also, gdm has its own log somewhere. i forget exactly where for wheezy
06:20<SynrGy>/var/log/gdm/ ?
06:20<SynrGy>or /var/log/gdm3/
06:21<SynrGy>use paste.debian.net to show us logs if you need help figuring them out
06:23<blaisepaquier>I’m sorry I’m very new to these things and i’m not talking here with the same comp where I try to install wheezy
06:23<blaisepaquier>so I don’t know how to show you my logs
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06:34<blaisepaquier>I have only that black screen, then sometimes blue screen, when I startx
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07:09<blaisepaquier>someone could help me to configure my Xorg ??
07:11<towo`>who knows?
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07:11<towo`>no one knows your problem
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07:13<blaisepaquier>It doesnt work when I startx
07:13<blaisepaquier>I didn’t have /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:14<blaisepaquier>I copied one which is /root
07:14<towo`>doesn't work sayes nothing!
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07:14<blaisepaquier>well
07:14<towo`>and you don't need a xorg.conf
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07:14<towo`>provide error messages
07:14<blaisepaquier>i’ll try to be more precise
07:14<devil>au contraire, it gets in the way
07:14<blaisepaquier>How can i provide error message while being in another computer?
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07:14<devil>ssh, usb-stick....
07:15<blaisepaquier>Let’s precise I’m a noob
07:15<devil>live-medium
07:15<devil>where the latter might be easiest
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07:18<blaisepaquier>I have a usb to collect my logs
07:19<blaisepaquier>but don’t find it ..
07:19<towo`>startx should provide error messages directly on the terminal
07:20<towo`>all logs are in /var/log, especcialy /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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07:20<towo`>ptw, without knowing your hardware, it's hard to help
07:20<towo`>s/p/b
07:20<blaisepaquier>yes but I mean where is my usb in my file tree
07:20<blaisepaquier>to be able to copy logs into it
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07:21<blaisepaquier>I’m on a mac powerpc
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07:27<tzafrir>blaisepaquier, it's not mounted auotmatically
07:28<blaisepaquier>yes I just mounted it
07:28<blaisepaquier>but filesystem is readonly
07:28<tzafrir>How did you mount it?
07:28<tzafrir>Not with -r, right?
07:29<tzafrir>(or with -o ro)
07:29<tzafrir>dmesg | grep -i read | tail -n 1
07:30<blaisepaquier>« mount /dev/sdb /mnt/cleUSB
07:30<tzafrir>would probably give the message saying why it is read-only
07:30<tzafrir>is it /dev/sdb (a partition-less USB stick)?
07:30<blaisepaquier>well I don’t know I’m advancing blind
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07:31<tzafrir>grep /dev/sdb /proc/partitions
07:31<blaisepaquier>I just want to be able to copy some log files to my USB
07:31<tzafrir>Does it have partitions (/dev/sdb1 and such)?
07:31<blaisepaquier>I have /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1
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07:40<jonatan>Hello! how does this chat works?
07:40<Deuchnord>like you used it :3
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07:45<jonatan>oks jajaj i didnt see someone talking and i didnt kown if i was conected : )
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09:33<nothingstar>i am debian now
09:33<nothingstar>teach me some hackzing shit
09:33<nothingstar>how to talk to debian
09:34<nothingstar>im the new debian son
09:34<nothingstar>the im new debian moon
09:35<nothingstar>int pi=3.14
09:35<nothingstar>for(i=0; i<314; i++)
09:35<nothingstar>{
09:36<Apollo>!ops nothingstar spam/troll
09:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: apollo complains about: nothingstar spam/troll
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09:37<nothingstar>nothingstar dead no more
09:38<nothingstar>the nsa tried fucking killing me yesterday
09:38-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by ChanServ
09:38-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@ool-4356b191.dyn.optonline.net] by babilen
09:38-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by babilen
09:38<babilen>play elsewhere
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09:39<Apollo>thanks
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09:52<raine>can someone please tell me if the wiki is ever coming back?
09:53<raine>im getting tired of looking up cached pages for everything i need :/
09:53<mtn>raine: are you referring to the debian wiki?
09:53<raine>yeah
09:54<mtn>raine: works fine here. no problems
09:54<raine>are you sure? i have been getting forbidden errors for 2 days now
09:54<raine>have tried on other networks and other machines as well, no dice
09:54<mtn>raine: really sure. just went and loaded pages, etc. I am not even kidding ;)
09:55<mtn>raine: click this: https://wiki.debian.org/Network
09:55<raine>still error
09:55<Apollo>are you logged in?
09:55<mtn>raine: your network then. all is fine from my location. perhaps try a different dns?
09:56<raine>sure, ill try from different dns
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10:02<raine>well i dont know how, but using google dns made it work
10:02<raine>ty mtn
10:02<mtn>raine: very good
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10:47<juan>hey
10:47-!-juan is now known as Guest333
10:48<Guest333>hey bro
10:48<Guest333>Im a cibernetic user
10:48<Guest333>can you hear e?
10:48<Guest333>hey, Lord Voldemort
10:48<Guest333>larry
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12:11<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to install nautilus-dropbox, but it appears to be hanging at: Downloading Dropbox... 100%
12:12<EmleyMoor>This is on wheezy, amd64.
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12:13<EmleyMoor>Hmmm.. #770402
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12:16<acald3ron>i just install in jessie and its work fine !
12:18<ottah>So in the past, I've used the deb package provided directly by dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx
12:19<ottah>I don't know if it's provides nautilus integration, but you don't really need nautilus integration for syncing to work
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12:28<EmleyMoor>Got it sorted anyway
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13:59<josane_1>hello
14:00<josane_1>I need help in installing debian
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14:00<M4dH4TT3r>read man pages
14:01<josane_1>I dud
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14:01<josane_1>*did. didn't find what I was looking for
14:01<M4dH4TT3r>google "install debian tutorial"
14:02<M4dH4TT3r>-quotes
14:02<josane_1>there isn't one
14:02<josane_1>for what I'm looking for
14:02<M4dH4TT3r>there are lots
14:02<M4dH4TT3r>what u looking for?
14:02<josane_1>what architecture should I download for a macbook air?
14:02<josane_1>fairly recent one
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14:03<M4dH4TT3r>https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookAir
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14:04<M4dH4TT3r>https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBookAir/3-2
14:04<oldlaptop>josane_1: so far as I know, all Intel macs are amd64; though i386 likely works
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14:06<M4dH4TT3r>theres a lengthy one https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
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14:18<josane_1>is it better to get the i386 or the amd64?
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14:20<josane_1>I tried installing the amd64, but when it restarted to boot into debian i had a white screen with an empty folder in it flashing
14:21<josane_1>and the debian live didn't detect my wifi card even though Iinstalled the necessary firmware bcrm...something
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14:24<ottah>I've never worked on a mac before, but my guess is the white screen is your bios saying it couldn't boot from the disk
14:25<ottah>Installing for EFI bioses can be tricky, I'd double check your install steps, and pay close attention to partitioning.
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14:44<josane_1>I tried both partitioning, the first option which writes to the whole disk, and the other one which partitions /temp and ... and encrypts with LVM
14:44<josane_1>both gave me the same result
14:46<ottah>So for me, on my laptop, the issue was the default partition table needed to be GPT. I had to use the advanced installer in Jessie to specify the partition table type.
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14:47<josane_1>is there such an option in wheezy 7.7?
14:49<ottah>Most likely, in the advanced installer
14:49<josane_1>ok
14:49<josane_1>I'll try to use it
14:50<josane_1>all the macbook tutorials are a bit outdated
14:50<josane_1>also requires additional software
14:50<ottah>Are you dual booting?
14:50<josane_1>no
14:51<josane_1>I have a formatted macbook with no os on it
14:51<josane_1>I can;t install rEFI
14:51<josane_1>or patition previous to instaling debian
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15:01<josane_1>is it rue that isn't more recommended to install 32bit debian on a 64 processor if you only have 4gb of ram?
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15:02<hikki>hhh
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15:07<dondelelcaro>josane_1: you definitely want a 64bit kernel; which of the two OSes you install really depends on what you're doing.
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15:34<lord_rob>Hi! When I type date I see that it's 22:33 (UTC + 1) but it's 21:33 (UTC + 0) here, how to change the time settings ?
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15:38<dutchfish>!tell lord_rob about tzdata
15:40<lord_rob>hmmm my parameters were correct but my hour is still one hour too late ...
15:41<dutchfish>lord_rob, did you initially configure your clock as UTC or local time?
15:41<lord_rob>Universal Time is now: Wed Dec 31 21:39:04 UTC 2014.
15:42<dutchfish>hmm.... i gues your clock is not in sync, either set the right time, or install ntp service
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15:43<dutchfish>something like aptitude installl ntp and check it by ntpq -p (as root)
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15:44<dutchfish>s/installl/install
15:44<dutchfish>sorry for the typo
15:46<lord_rob>I typed ntpdate-debian and it synced
15:46<dutchfish>or that, ok
15:47<dutchfish>rem, it will run out of sync slowly again, but you got it by now
15:47<lord_rob>but I'd like the clock to be synced on each boot, how do I do that
15:47<lord_rob>My box was doing that before I reinstalled Debian on it
15:47<dutchfish>well, installing ntp does that
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15:50<lord_rob>ok thank you dutchfish
15:50<dutchfish>yw
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15:54<dutchfish>i prefer the aluminium
15:54<dutchfish>oops, sorry wrong channel
15:57<jhutchins>lord_rob: recent versions of ntp have an option to sync any difference on start-up, and most distro's init files implement that option.
15:57<jhutchins>lord_rob: We used to run ntpdate on startup if we needed to, before ntpd started.
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16:03<lord_rob>it's just that that I had an "imminent crash" and I had to transfer everything I could to a new machine so my current Debian machine is not as well configured as the previous one, but I did not have choice ...
16:03<dutchfish>also, nowadays, ntp has a hook to hw_clock, to update that one on shutdown
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16:07<jhutchins>dutchfish: Yeah, I forgot we used to do that manually as well.
16:07<jhutchins>dutchfish: ntp has made some good changes.
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16:23*dutchfish nods
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16:34<kleiber>any know as configure mobile USB in debian
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16:36<retrospectacus>kleiber: it should "just work". Please explain your problem.
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16:36<kleiber>explain: have one mobile with android lollipop CM12 (Motorola Atrix HD)
16:37<kleiber>but this no conect with debian by USB
16:38<kleiber>I have paymaster USB debugging
16:40<retrospectacus>you enabled "USB Tethering" after connecting the USB cable?
16:40<retrospectacus>enabled on the phone
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16:40<retrospectacus>kleiber: what network manager are you using?
16:40<retrospectacus>on debian
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16:41<kleiber>no have network manager
16:41<kleiber>or no know
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16:42<kleiber>with jellybean this one was getting connected, enabling the USB debugging. the manager of files was detecting it as one more disc
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16:43<kleiber>with lollipop, I have not been able for any side
16:43<retrospectacus>kleiber: sorry, I thought you wanted to use your phone for Internet access via USB
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16:43<retrospectacus>kleiber: you want to access its files?
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16:44<kleiber>yes retrospectacus
16:44<kleiber>can't access files mobile with debian
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16:45<retrospectacus>yes Android got rid of the "mass storage" option for USB. Now you must use MTP
16:45<retrospectacus>!mtp
16:45<dpkg>Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) is a Microsoft protocol for transferring images, music (etc.) between a computer and a portable device. Standardized as a USB device class in 2008. The libmtp shared library provides MTP interoperability for applications including <Amarok>, <Audacious>, <Banshee> and <Rhythmbox>; <jmtpfs> provides conventional filesystem access. See also <PTP>.
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16:46<retrospectacus>personnaly I use the free android app Airdroid. If you have Wifi I recommend it.
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16:47<kleiber>ok retros, thx
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18:01<lord_rob>Now that my date is correctly synchronized I can wish you a happy new year all :)
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18:15<mitrom>Happy new year lord_rob!
18:18<lord_rob>thanks happy new year mitrom
18:18<Mr_M>Is it true that aptitude and apt-get are incompatible with each other?
18:18<retrospectacus>Mr_M: no
18:21<lord_rob>they're both based on dpkg but they work differently I think
18:22<retrospectacus>they are different, sure, but they aren't "incompatible" in any way I can think of
18:22<ratcheer>Mr_M: I have heard that things probably won't go well if you mix your use of them
18:24<retrospectacus>nah. You can use whichever one you prefer for any given task. I prefer apt-get as it is faster, but sometimes aptitude works a bit better
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18:32<Mr_M>retrospectacus: ratcheer: Okay, my follow up question is here: https://dpaste.de/3N7V
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18:32<retrospectacus>Mr_M: the answer is no
18:33<ratcheer>Mr_M: I also say No
18:33<retrospectacus>"update" in either will updable both. Search functions are similar, search the same lists. Install with either.
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18:34<retrospectacus>updable means update today
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18:34<ratcheer>The main differences are in the handling of dependency resolution
18:35<Mr_M>retrospectacus: Okay, I understand now, thanks very much! :-)
18:36<retrospectacus>you can ask the dpkg irc robot "why aptitude" and "why not aptitude" for some reasons (in a private message)
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18:37<Mr_M>ratcheer: thank you very much as well! :)
18:37<ratcheer>Mr_M: Yuo're welcome
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19:21<quux>talking about apt-get, is apt-get upgrade the same as apt-get dist-upgrade minus system components?
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19:22<quux>as in if I use apt-get dist-upgrade all the time, I don't need to do apt-get upgrade separately?
19:24<devil_>quux: are you running stable?
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19:24<quux>yes
19:25<devil_>then you do not need dist-upgrade. man apt-get tells you about the differences
19:26<quux>but what when a new version arrives, won't I need dist-upgrade then?
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19:46<dvs>quux: dist-upgrade add the ability to install new packages, upgrade only updates already installed packages
19:48<quux>so basically dist-upgrade _does_ include the functionality of upgrade, no?
19:49<dvs>quux: it does
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20:03<quux>awesome thank you dvs !!
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20:03<dvs>np
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20:32<devdragon>Happy new year! I'm trying to run a teamspeak server on a VPS I got, I made a new user so I don't have to run it on root, but I can't connect to it unless that's the case. Do I need to set some permissions for the new user?
20:39<musca>devdragon: happy new year!
20:39<musca>did you install the debian package "teamspeak-server"?
20:43<devdragon>ah, no, I didn't
20:43<devdragon>Will it run as non-root if I execute that?
20:43<musca>at least it will come with documentation
20:44<sney>it should have an initscript that starts the server as root and then drops down to some other user.
20:44<devdragon>ah, I will try that
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20:44<devdragon>I'll have to import the configs though
20:45<sney>you should remove the teamspeak you already installed so they don't conflict
20:45<devdragon>server groups and stuff
20:46<devdragon>Shouldn't I be able to run it on a different port, just to make sure stuff works?
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20:48<sney>devdragon: yeah, if you start it on a port greater than 1024 you can do that as a normal user, generally, as long as teamspeak doesn't require privileged access to anything else
20:49<devdragon>alright
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20:49<devdragon>I'm coming from arch, what's debians version of a service start?
20:49<somiaj>devdragon: service name start will work, if you use sysvinit, if you use systemd you need to use systemctrl
20:49<tehgooch>devdragon: service <service> start?
20:50<sney>same, but you need to have an initscript to do that, and if you just dumped some tarball into the system then you probably don't have an initscript
20:50<sney>somiaj: 'service' still works under systemd, in jessie at least, just systemctl gives more info
20:50<somiaj>devdragon: /etc/init.d/service start works well (and will work with either sysv or systemd), and invoke-rc.d was debians specific script you can call, Unsure if this works with systemd or only sysv
20:50<somiaj>sney: oh wasn't sure, I always just call /etc/init.d/service start/stop/restart
20:52<devdragon>alright
20:52<devdragon>It's running
20:52<devdragon>But I can't connect to it, it's running from a VPS
20:52<tehgooch>devdragon: firewall?
20:53<devdragon>nothing, the ports are even open in iptables
20:53<tehgooch>Also verify its listening with netstat -lnptu
20:53<devdragon>state = listen
20:53<tehgooch>can you telnet to that port from your local machine?
20:54<devdragon>I could try, what's the standard telnet client?
20:54<tehgooch>telnet <address> <port>
20:54<tehgooch>at leat on *nix
20:54<devdragon>I'm on Windows, although I have cmd(er), it doesn't have telnet
20:55<tehgooch>you may have to install it on windows
20:55<gsimmons>devdragon: Be aware that TeamSpeak 2 and 3 are incompatible; e.g. you can't use a v3 client to connect to a v2 server.
20:55<tehgooch>control panel, program & features, turn windows features on/off
20:55<devdragon>oh
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20:55<devdragon>Should I install teamspeak-server3 in that case?
20:55<tehgooch>devdragon: what version are you running locally?
20:56<devdragon>TS3
20:56<tehgooch>then install that version
20:56<devdragon>teamspeak3-server?
20:56<tehgooch>whatever version you're running locally, install the same version on server
20:56<gsimmons>devdragon: No, TeamSpeake 3 isn't packaged (and Debian doesn't have permission to redistribute).
20:56<tehgooch>or install teamspeak 2 locally
20:57<devdragon>that's no option, I'll have to fix ts3 server up
20:57<sney>or convince your friends to switch to mumble and use that instead, it's better
20:57<tehgooch>my friends insist of ventrilo :/
20:57<devdragon>Does it have support for hold-to-mute?
20:57<tehgooch>s/of/on
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20:57<sney>I know it has push-to-talk but I'm not sure about the reverse. the website probably says
20:58<sney>it was supposed to be an alternative to ts/vent so they likely implemented all the common features to get people to consider it
20:59<tehgooch>hold to mute sounds.. annoying to say the least. IMO
20:59<devdragon>no, hold to mute mic
20:59<tehgooch>yeah
20:59<tehgooch>sounds awful
20:59<devdragon>That's kind of a requirement for me
21:00<tehgooch>you'd have to test it out
21:01<tehgooch>I think you can bind a button to toggle mute
21:01<tehgooch>not sure about push to mute
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21:04<sadface>Hey everyone - I completely broke my install trying to install Nvidia's drivers. Can anyone help me abandon ship and restore the default settings? I've googled but I'm getting nowhere. Is there any form of reset? :(
21:04<devdragon>mmph, I'll leave the TS server running as root for now
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21:04<devdragon>At least I req SSH keys
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21:08<penny1>is there anyone available who can help me installing refind and debian on a Macbook Pro 8,2?
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21:16<devdragon>there are multiple programs I can't run as a user (sudoing) but that root can. (command not found). is there a command to change this?
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21:23<dondelelcaro>devdragon: you've probably got the wrong path because you haven't updated /etc/sudoers
21:24<dondelelcaro>!sudo path
21:24<dpkg>As of sudo version 1.8.2 (Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases), sudo does not include /usr/sbin and /sbin in the PATH. You must set secure_path in /etc/sudoers (as prompted by dpkg during the upgrade); see Debian bug #639841: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
21:24<dondelelcaro>dpkg: path sudo is <reply> see sudo path
21:24<dpkg>okay, dondelelcaro
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21:25<devdragon>ah, there we go, sudoers updated
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21:38<penny1>if I have a debian iso ready to go on a USB drive, how do I tell mac OS X to restart using debian not Mac OS X?
21:38<somiaj>penny1: how did you put the iso on a usb drive?
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21:39<Bufo>Hello.
21:39<penny1>cd /debian.iso /dev/disk2
21:39<penny1>cp*
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21:39<somiaj>penny1: disk 2 is the main usb drive not a partition on it right?
21:39<penny1>correct
21:39<somiaj>penny1: what install image did you use? wheezy net install or a debian live image?
21:40<penny1>live image
21:40<somiaj>the live images don't support efi boot last I checked, and I don't think macs allow legacy boot
21:40<netf0x>Is there anyway I could run the gnome version which comes with Ubuntu 10.04 on 14.04 and run Emerald theme manager with compiz?
21:41<somiaj>but the offical wheezy installers support efi boot and with those exact instructions should just boot (once you tell the efi boot manager to use the usb drive)
21:41<somiaj>penny1: so I think the issue is the live images won't boot for you (as far as I know)
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21:41<somiaj>netf0x: not and be running a proper debian. You do not want to mix ubuntu and debian packges. If you like the ubuntu desktop you may just as well use ubuntu.
21:41<penny1>well, I started to put refind on my efi partition
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21:41<penny1>but I got lost with that
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21:42<somiaj>penny1: yea I'm unsure what you would have to do with a mac to get it to use mbr over efi boot. My suggestion would be get a debian non-free netinstall image (/msg dpkg firmware images) and use that over the live image to do the install.
21:42<penny1>https://dentifrice.poivron.org/laptops/macbookpro8,2/
21:42<somiaj>again I could be outdated, but last I checked the debian live images did not support efi boot.
21:43<netf0x>somiaj, I am running Emerald with compiz on Ubuntu 10.04 but can't on 14.04 because of Unity. Is there no way of going back to the old way of doing things? :)
21:43<somiaj>netf0x: oh so you are not even running debian, then you are in the wrong room. Get support from #ubuntu on freenode.
21:44<netf0x>somiaj, Sorry I thought I was already there, my bad :)
21:46<somiaj>penny1: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook -- I really don't have any exprience with mac hardware, so don't know the best solution. I would like to say use an offical wheezy install iso that supports efi boot and do it that way. It seems that there are suggestions to chainload mbr boot from an efi boot. I'm unsure how well the efi boot in wheezy supports mac hardware. Sorry I can't be of more help.
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21:47<penny1>somiaj: I'm using a live debian 7.7.0 iso
21:48<penny1>is that not what you're recommending?
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