| --- | Log | opened Mon Jan 05 00:00:01 2015 |
| --- | Day | changed Mon Jan 05 2015 |
| 00:00 | <twb> | OK don't worry about it. hash -r is probably not important |
| 00:00 | <Finetundra> | ok |
| 00:00 | <twb> | What did you try, and what error did it give? |
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| 00:01 | <Finetundra> | one example would be, i did apt-get install cowsay. it then went and installed cowsay. when i enter cowsay into the terminal i get bash: cowsay: command not found |
| 00:02 | <twb> | Ah, OK. |
| 00:02 | <twb> | That's just because /usr/game is not in root's $PATH |
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| 00:02 | <Finetundra> | but even ifconfig returns the error |
| 00:02 | <twb> | That one I can't explain |
| 00:02 | <twb> | When this happens, what is $PATH ? |
| 00:03 | <Finetundra> | ? |
| 00:03 | <Finetundra> | what do you mean? |
| 00:03 | <twb> | Ah ifconfig is /sbin/ifconfig which is in root's path, but not in normal user's path |
| 00:03 | <twb> | Finetundra: $PATH is a variable; it tells bash where to look for programs. |
| 00:03 | <Finetundra> | it even does it in root |
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| 00:04 | <twb> | It should be something like /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin for root, and /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/games for non-root |
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| 00:05 | <twb> | When the problem occurs, you should try "echo $PATH", and "which ifconfig" (for some value of "ifconfig") |
| 00:05 | <Finetundra> | what do you mean some value? |
| 00:06 | <twb> | e.g. if it was cowsay you'd run "which cowsay" not "which ifconfig" :-) |
| 00:06 | <Finetundra> | i still am lost |
| 00:06 | <twb> | Is the problem happening right now? |
| 00:06 | <Finetundra> | yep |
| 00:07 | <twb> | OK, in the shell where the problem is happening, run "echo $PATH" and tell me what it says |
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| 00:08 | <Finetundra> | ok |
| 00:09 | <Finetundra> | wouldn't let me paste it in chat http://pastebin.com/pUhEyc8G |
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| 00:10 | <twb> | OK that is missing /sbin (so ifconfig will not be found); and it is missing /usr/games (so cowsay will not be found). |
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| 00:10 | <twb> | Is this a root shell? |
| 00:10 | <Finetundra> | no |
| 00:11 | <twb> | is /usr/games mentioned in /etc/login.defs and /etc/environment? |
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| 00:12 | <twb> | It should be in both |
| 00:12 | <twb> | It sounds like somehow, the way you make the shell is not reading either file. That is weird. |
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| 00:14 | <twb> | (It is also weird that /usr/X11R6/bin is in there; that's an old thing.) |
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| 00:17 | <Finetundra> | the 1st file did come back with usr/games in it. the 2nd was blank. the last bit you mentioned could be the fact that the machine automatically resorted to gnome-fallback-session for the desktop |
| 00:17 | <twb> | yeah sorry I was looking at a newer Debian |
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| 00:17 | <twb> | In debian 7 it should be in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs |
| 00:17 | <twb> | And that is probably the problem -- GDM GUI logins probably don't read either of those |
| 00:18 | <twb> | Anyway, you can just cheat for now. In .bashrc, put something like PATH="$PATH":/usr/games |
| 00:19 | <Finetundra> | the 4th file you mentioned does contain a /usr/game portion |
| 00:19 | <twb> | And probably it will fix itself when you upgrade to Debian 8 |
| 00:19 | <twb> | I can't be bothered fixing it "properly" because that involves debugging how your GDM session starts |
| 00:19 | <Finetundra> | i am running on ancient hardware |
| 00:21 | <Finetundra> | thanks |
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| 00:30 | <notapianokey> | exit |
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| 00:39 | <Guest790> | hello |
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| 01:08 | <mega> | есть кто? ) |
| 01:08 | <jm_> | !ru |
| 01:08 | <dpkg> | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 01:14 | <twb> | Hm... It looks like I can just do "ar p foo.deb data.tar.gz data.tar.xz" and not care about the "missing" one |
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| 01:26 | <twb> | Derp, that won't work because I have to tell | tar --xz or | tar --gzip |
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| 01:30 | <jm_> | twb: doesn't tar -xz work? |
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| 01:31 | <jm_> | or maybe -a |
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| 01:32 | <twb> | IIRC tar can't autodetect on streams |
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| 01:32 | <jm_> | yeah makes sense in general |
| 01:33 | <twb> | http://sprunge.us/ILRj |
| 01:34 | <twb> | It works if I pass -z but obviously that makes it unhappy about logcheck 1.3.17 which is data.tar.xz |
| 01:34 | <twb> | It's not a big deal, it just means I have to do an extra pass to check which it is |
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| 01:36 | <jm_> | must really be limitation due to use of streams since otherwise one doesn't even need to use -z these days |
| 01:37 | <twb> | Well yeah, the limitation that you can't rewind them :-) |
| 01:37 | <jm_> | and indeed, reading from a pipe is mentioned there |
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| 01:54 | <twb> | Bleh, so much yak to shave |
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| 01:58 | <twb> | So I grab Packages.gz because my local mirror doesn't have Packages (uncompressed). But my local httpd + curl is helpfully uncompressing it due to my .curlrc, but that doesn't happen with http.d.n, so I can't just cut corners and assume one behaviour or the other |
| 01:58 | <twb> | And I keep thinking someone has probably already solved this problem |
| 02:00 | <twb> | Hm... I've been intending to extract ./etc/logcheck from *every* package in wheezy... but the leaf nodes' package lists are mostly static, so I *could* just grab etc/logcheck from each of them |
| 02:01 | <twb> | That'd be much easier, and the only real issue is that I ought to re-do that every time I build an SOE, but I won't. i.e. false negatives. |
| 02:02 | <twb> | That might screw me when $customer asks for a bag of extra apps. |
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| 02:12 | <rjsalts> | you're talking about getting things which have /etc/logcheck/... from Contents, yeah? |
| 02:13 | <twb> | rjsalts: actually I was just going to run it across everything in Packages |
| 02:13 | <twb> | But sure I could use Contents to skip the binary packages that have no etc/logcheck :-) |
| 02:13 | <twb> | Lemme pastebin my problem synopsis |
| 02:14 | <twb> | http://sprunge.us/ZXAD?sh |
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| 02:15 | <jm_> | it ends on a positive note ") |
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| 02:17 | <twb> | OK, new plan. Since all my leaf nodes are Debian 7 amd64, assume my script is running in such a chroot, and the chroot is expendable. Install apt-file and apt-file update. Set dpkg.cfg.d/argh to ONLY unpack- damn. |
| 02:18 | <twb> | That'll break the chroot when it gets to unpacking things like upstart, because with --force-all or so, it'll remove parts of the system the script is still using. |
| 02:18 | <twb> | So I probably still need to use ar and tar, but I can use apt-file and apt-get download to avoid the first 90% of the yaks. |
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| 02:22 | <rjsalts> | twb: what does debootstrap do? |
| 02:22 | <twb> | IME debootstrap will get very unhappy if you --include too much stuff |
| 02:23 | <twb> | Because inside it is stuff like "just keep unpacking until there are no more conflicts" |
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| 02:23 | <rjsalts> | twb: oh does dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile help? |
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| 02:23 | <twb> | rjsalts: ah that will avoid the ar t/ar p |
| 02:24 | <twb> | And since I'm now planning to do this in a chroot, I have a dpkg with xz support! |
| 02:24 | <twb> | (I was going to run it on the mirror so that most of the .debs where in file:/// and therefore it'd be faster to grab them.) |
| 02:25 | <twb> | Heh "ununderstood data member" |
| 02:26 | <rjsalts> | home time for me, good luck |
| 02:27 | <twb> | Haha, I just happened to look and the ONLY package in my desktop SOE with its own logcheck is lirc |
| 02:27 | <twb> | All the rest come from logcheck-database, so if I had just stolen that from wheezy I'd probably have said "eh, good enough" at lunchtime |
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| 02:48 | <twb> | http://sprunge.us/gBeL?bash |
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| 02:49 | <twb> | It even finished really quickly. Hooray |
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| 03:38 | <rohit_> | hi |
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| 03:41 | <ninjabox> | hi |
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| 03:55 | <pcdog> | so, wieder da. Ping meebey 2 |
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| 03:56 | <ben_> | hllllleledhsg |
| 03:57 | <ben_> | hello |
| 03:57 | <ben_> | hi i am ben |
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| 04:04 | <root_16> | hello |
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| 04:06 | <root__> | hello |
| 04:06 | <root__> | anyone here??? |
| 04:07 | <root__> | hello root-16 |
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| 04:07 | <gnugr> | root__: if you need help just ask |
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| 04:08 | <root__> | thank you |
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| 04:38 | <Debian-gdm> | hello i need help i am not sure was there some broken update of gnome lately? |
| 04:39 | <Debian-gdm> | my deskopt is kinda broken and there is problem with gdm3 instalation |
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| 04:40 | <Debian-gdm> | it tells me there a postprocess installed script post-installation returned errorcode number 1 |
| 04:41 | <jm_> | !bat |
| 04:41 | <dpkg> | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 04:44 | <Debian-gdm> | am i suppose to copy there terminal? |
| 04:44 | <jm_> | yes |
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| 04:44 | <jm_> | not here though, on the paste site |
| 04:45 | <Debian-gdm> | ok but some content is in polish |
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| 04:45 | <jm_> | ask dpkg about localized errors |
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| 04:46 | <Debian-gdm> | how do i ask it ? |
| 04:46 | <jm_> | /msg dpkg localized errors |
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| 04:47 | <Debian-gdm> | it says there is non such folder |
| 04:47 | <Debian-gdm> | or file |
| 04:47 | <Debian-gdm> | directory* |
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| 04:48 | <jm_> | in your irc client |
| 04:48 | <Debian-gdm> | /msg dpkg localized errors |
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| 04:48 | <jm_> | !tell Debian-gdm -about localized errors |
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| 04:52 | <Debian-gdm> | http://paste.debian.net/139209/ |
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| 04:55 | <Debian-gdm> | yesterday i didnt install anything that should have effect on the deskopt |
| 04:55 | <Debian-gdm> | wheni came it was broken so i tried to reinstall it |
| 04:55 | <Debian-gdm> | and here error pops out |
| 04:55 | <jm_> | did you change minissdpd init script yourself? |
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| 04:56 | <Debian-gdm> | i didnt touch it |
| 04:56 | <Debian-gdm> | sec ill check for 100% sure if it was changed by synaptic |
| 04:56 | <jm_> | put that and cups init script on pastebin too |
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| 04:58 | <Debian-gdm> | i dont have minisspd installed |
| 04:58 | <Debian-gdm> | minissdpd8 |
| 04:58 | <Debian-gdm> | ** |
| 04:59 | <jm_> | do you have cups installed? |
| 04:59 | <Debian-gdm> | i installed it some time ago |
| 04:59 | <Debian-gdm> | like 3-4 days |
| 04:59 | <jm_> | do you need it? did you edit its init script? |
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| 05:00 | <Debian-gdm> | i wanted it for setting printer i didnt edit anythign in it |
| 05:00 | <jm_> | put both init scripts on pastebin please |
| 05:00 | <Debian-gdm> | didnt have time and left it for now |
| 05:00 | <Debian-gdm> | how do i do that? |
| 05:00 | <jm_> | cat /etc/init.d/cups mark it and paste it like before? |
| 05:01 | <jm_> | same for minissdpd |
| 05:02 | <Debian-gdm> | http://paste.debian.net/139210/ |
| 05:02 | <Debian-gdm> | thats one |
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| 05:02 | <jm_> | that's not from debian package, how did you install it? |
| 05:03 | <Debian-gdm> | downloaded from their site ./configure make make install |
| 05:03 | <Debian-gdm> | it was suppose to be for debian |
| 05:03 | <jm_> | we don't support that, that's why you have problems now |
| 05:03 | <Debian-gdm> | debian//linux |
| 05:03 | <Debian-gdm> | so i should remove it? |
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| 05:04 | <Debian-gdm> | minisspdp doesnt exist |
| 05:04 | <jm_> | yes, see if 'make uninstall' will do the job |
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| 05:04 | <Debian-gdm> | ill check if i still have the install package |
| 05:04 | <Debian-gdm> | sec |
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| 05:05 | <babilen> | That's why you should *always* use stow if you install from source btw -- /msg dpkg stow usage |
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| 05:08 | <Debian-gdm> | http://paste.debian.net/139212/ |
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| 05:13 | <Debian-gdm> | strange but synaptic sees cups |
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| 05:17 | <Debian-gdm> | well im slowly removing it thank you for help |
| 05:20 | <andre> | hi |
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| 05:23 | <darksonn> | I can't connect to a WiFi, I have to use the terminal, after I set the essid of the network, akd run dhclient, it just hangs there, iw wlan0 link says not connected |
| 05:24 | <darksonn> | The WiFi has no password |
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| 05:50 | <ninjabox> | darksonn: can you set an IP address manually? |
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| 05:51 | <darksonn> | Ninjabox: I don't know, I could try |
| 05:52 | <ninjabox> | darksonn: that was where I was going with that =P |
| 05:52 | <microcluster> | good morning |
| 05:52 | <ninjabox> | darksonn: let me know how that goes. i'll try to help you but it is about 5am here |
| 05:53 | <ninjabox> | and I am fast fadin |
| 05:53 | <microcluster> | i've a problem with dirmngr access at boot, how to solve it? |
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| 05:56 | <darksonn> | Ninjabox: doesn't work, I'm apparently not connected to the ap in the first place |
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| 05:57 | <ninjabox> | darksonn: well that's gonna be a problem heh |
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| 06:00 | <darksonn> | Ninjabox: what do I need to do to connect other than iwconfig wlan0 essid name |
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| 06:13 | <PaulePanter> | Hi. According to `man req` the following command is supposed to create a CSR. |
| 06:13 | <PaulePanter> | openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey rsa:2048 -keyout cert.pem -out cert.csr |
| 06:13 | <PaulePanter> | Unfortunately, cert.csr is also justa key. Do you have an idea, what I am doing wrong? |
| 06:13 | <PaulePanter> | $ openssl req -noout -text -in cert.csr |
| 06:13 | <PaulePanter> | fails of course afterward. |
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| 06:14 | <PaulePanter> | I am using OpenSSL 1.0.1j-1. |
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| 06:15 | <some> | in what directory is ketp usb? |
| 06:15 | <PaulePanter> | some: Depends where you mount it. |
| 06:16 | <some> | so where can it be? |
| 06:16 | <some> | is taht a hard question? |
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| 06:17 | <some> | where can it be? |
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| 06:22 | <Cr4zyVitt> | How many theorical UDP "connections" can I route on a Debian box using IPTables packet forwarding? 65536? |
| 06:23 | <rene> | i have problems with my second monitor and gnome |
| 06:23 | <rene> | if i drag a window to the second monitor i only see my cursor |
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| 06:23 | <rene> | when i focus my primary monitor the second refreshes |
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| 06:25 | <ArtooDetoo> | PaulePanter: why do you think it is just a key? |
| 06:25 | <some> | what is the directory fo usb... |
| 06:26 | <ArtooDetoo> | some: look somewhere in /media/ or in /mnt/ |
| 06:27 | <some> | ok thx |
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| 06:27 | <rene> | does any1 uses debian with two monitors? |
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| 06:29 | <some> | nothign it doesnt see usb |
| 06:30 | <jm_> | rene: no doubt |
| 06:30 | <some> | i mean it sees but its not on disc lol |
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| 06:30 | <ArtooDetoo> | some: is the usb drive mounted? type "mount" in a terminal to see |
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| 06:33 | <some> | doesnt look like he seees it |
| 06:33 | <some> | lots of strange data |
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| 06:34 | <some> | but i got utility to check disc and it sees it |
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| 06:36 | <some> | ok nvm dolphin saved me;) |
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| 06:39 | <some> | ok on elast q ow much space on disc should i give for debian sys?? |
| 06:39 | <some> | 60 giga? |
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| 06:40 | <SynrGy> | whatever you like. your habits will determine how much you need |
| 06:40 | <SynrGy> | do you use a lot of data-heavy apps? games? |
| 06:41 | <SynrGy> | do you use a lot of media files, particularly video? |
| 06:41 | <some> | NOT GAMES |
| 06:41 | <some> | sry caps |
| 06:41 | <some> | media will go on othere disc |
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| 06:42 | <SynrGy> | you can happily get away with 20G, i would say. if space is really tight, use less. if you have space to spare, use more. |
| 06:42 | <some> | ok thank you:) |
| 06:42 | <SynrGy> | if you had games or video, 60 sound about right |
| 06:43 | <SynrGy> | sounds* |
| 06:43 | <some> | kk thank you very much:) |
| 06:43 | <SynrGy> | does the installation guide not give advice about htis? |
| 06:43 | <SynrGy> | this* |
| 06:44 | <some> | its super small install from usb |
| 06:44 | <SynrGy> | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s05.html.en |
| 06:45 | <SynrGy> | those figures are somewhat dated. if you follow the link to https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.html.en it says "With desktop" figure is 5G |
| 06:45 | <SynrGy> | i doubt if that's correct any longer with gnome. and particularly the ram of 512M |
| 06:46 | <some> | its ok i allready had it once |
| 06:46 | <SynrGy> | so if you're aiming for minimal, then yes, 10G should be fine |
| 06:46 | <some> | i will probably stick too 60 giga its like biggest min i wanted to give:) |
| 06:47 | <PaulePanter> | ArtooDetoo: Well, it’s a certificate. I had to leave out `-x509` to get it working. |
| 06:47 | <SynrGy> | i've successfully installed a complete wheezy desktop (XFCE4) in 4G. but as her needs increased, i gave her more space via SD card and network share (old eeepc model 4G aka 701) |
| 06:48 | <SynrGy> | k. 60G is ample room |
| 06:48 | <PaulePanter> | SynrGy: By the way, do you still use your Asus Eee PC 4G? |
| 06:48 | <SynrGy> | since my daughter got an asus tablet, not so much. |
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| 06:49 | <SynrGy> | i have a second system for testing. but only one good power supply between the two of them. |
| 06:49 | <SynrGy> | that one has been offline for months |
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| 06:50 | <PaulePanter> | The battery of mine is pretty bad so without power cable plugged in it only lasts 10 minutes or so. |
| 06:50 | <SynrGy> | PaulePanter: the hinge is shot to hell on her netbook. my backup stats say it hasn't been seen in over a hundred days ... |
| 06:50 | <some> | ok guys thx!!! |
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| 06:51 | <PaulePanter> | SynrGy: I need to reinstall and use it as a test system for newer Linux kernels. There are still some Intel driver graphics bugs. |
| 06:51 | <SynrGy> | and most things she likes to use really suffer on it. |
| 06:51 | <SynrGy> | yeah |
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| 06:51 | <SynrGy> | if i could think of some way to repurpose these, i would. but nothing comes to mind :/ |
| 06:51 | <PaulePanter> | SynrGy: Thanks again for you great work back then for Debian-eeepc-devel, (and now) |
| 06:51 | <PaulePanter> | and a happy new year. |
| 06:52 | <SynrGy> | you're welcome. happy new year! |
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| 06:55 | <PaulePanter> | SynrGy: I still use it for typing protocols in meetings. Although the keyboard is quite small my fingers got used to it and I can type pretty fast on it. |
| 06:57 | <SynrGy> | it was a fine system in its day. and yes, the keyboard thing took some adjustment but eventually my brain rewired for it. |
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| 07:08 | <PaulePanter> | SynrGy: I am still sad, that Microsoft (Windows (XP)) were able to recover back then. |
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| 07:16 | <claw___> | http://paste.triple6.org/?50 |
| 07:16 | <SynrGy> | PaulePanter: probably better to take this #debian-offtopic |
| 07:16 | <claw___> | anybody knows how this could be fixed ? |
| 07:16 | <claw___> | i want to update an outdated system |
| 07:16 | <claw___> | but libc6 makes some problems |
| 07:17 | <jordanm> | claw___: are you out of disk space? |
| 07:17 | <claw___> | no |
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| 07:18 | <claw___> | 4 GB free space |
| 07:19 | <SynrGy> | all in one partition? |
| 07:19 | <claw___> | yes |
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| 07:21 | <claw___> | just did apt-get clean and try again |
| 07:22 | <SynrGy> | claw___: short of running out of space on the unpack, i can't see how else that could happen |
| 07:22 | <jm_> | are you skipping releases or even upgrading from one release to another without dist-upgrade? |
| 07:22 | <claw___> | that isn't possible |
| 07:22 | <SynrGy> | jm_: take note: it's the unpack that fails |
| 07:22 | <claw___> | there is space |
| 07:22 | <jm_> | SynrGy: it's pre-inst that fails? |
| 07:22 | <SynrGy> | no. the unpack |
| 07:22 | <SynrGy> | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-38+deb7u6_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 07:22 | <dpkg> | synrgy: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 07:22 | <jm_> | naah subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 07:23 | <SynrGy> | oops, yes |
| 07:23 | <SynrGy> | you could edit the preinst to set -x |
| 07:23 | <SynrGy> | but exit 2 doesn't happen ... exit 1, maybe |
| 07:24 | <SynrGy> | something the preinst calls terminates it? |
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| 07:24 | <jm_> | most likely yeah |
| 07:24 | <claw___> | okay i ll try |
| 07:24 | <claw___> | just need to wait till download is finished |
| 07:24 | <SynrGy> | yep |
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| 07:25 | <SynrGy> | oops. not watching the time. i'm out |
| 07:25 | <SynrGy> | later |
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| 07:30 | <Xylon> | Hi, does wheezy use udev? |
| 07:32 | <jm_> | yes |
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| 07:44 | <pat_> | bonjour |
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| 07:45 | <pat_> | besoin d'aide s v p |
| 07:45 | <jm_> | !fr |
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| 07:45 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 07:48 | <rfreeman> | !seen dysfunctional |
| 07:48 | <dpkg> | dysfunctional <~dysfuncti@2602:304:6eaf:cbe0:3553:2653:a7be:a2fc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 12h 33m 1s ago, saying: 'thanks I'll check it out'. |
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| 07:52 | <babilen> | ... |
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| 08:01 | <qvzn> | :-S |
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| 08:11 | <claw___> | jm_, how could i add set +x where is that preinstallation script ? |
| 08:12 | <jm_> | claw___: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.preinst |
| 08:13 | <jm_> | and it's "set -x" |
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| 08:15 | <claw___> | mh... that had no effect on the output |
| 08:16 | <claw___> | of apt-get install -f |
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| 08:16 | <jm_> | where in the file have you put it and which file exactly? |
| 08:17 | <claw___> | under the shebang |
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| 08:17 | <jm_> | "set -x" or "set +x"? |
| 08:18 | <jm_> | and the other question from earlier too |
| 08:18 | <claw___> | as you said -x |
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| 08:19 | <claw___> | what earlier question ? sorry |
| 08:20 | <jm_> | which file exactly? |
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| 08:21 | <claw___> | libc6\:amd64.preinst |
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| 08:22 | <jm_> | then it's possible you'll need to make this modification in the package itself |
| 08:22 | <jm_> | also how about my initial questions -- are you skipping releases or even upgrading from one release to another without dist-upgrade? |
| 08:23 | <claw___> | no just updating wheezy |
| 08:23 | <claw___> | last update was months ago |
| 08:23 | <claw___> | which was successful |
| 08:24 | <claw___> | Preparing to replace libc6:amd64 2.13-38+deb7u1 (using .../libc6_2.13-38+deb7u6_amd64.deb) ... |
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| 08:27 | <claw___> | oh there we go |
| 08:27 | <claw___> | finally more output |
| 08:27 | <claw___> | http://paste.triple6.org/?51 |
| 08:28 | <jm_> | that's just output from -D1 not from shell |
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| 11:43 | <gbit> | hello, how can I take back an package update? Just removing and downloading/installing it? |
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| 11:44 | <mtn> | gbit: it might work, as long as no dependency problems |
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| 11:54 | <petn-randall> | gbit: Yes, purging is the opposite action of installing. If you did 'apt-get install foo', 'apt-get purge foo' will remove it again, including config files. |
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| 11:57 | <gbit> | but there is a correct way to downgrade a package for the last version before upgrade? |
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| 11:57 | <retrospectacus> | that is *not* "take back a package update"; it is "remove entirely". gbit should provide a more detailed description of what (s)he wants to do |
| 11:58 | <retrospectacus> | gbit: what package? what version did you have, what version did you upgrade to? |
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| 11:58 | <petn-randall> | gbit: Downgrading is not supported, so it entirely depends on what package it is if it's doable. |
| 11:58 | <gbit> | I'm just wondering if is possible. I had some problems in the pass with libreoffice upgrade |
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| 11:59 | <petn-randall> | gbit: From where to where are you upgrading? |
| 11:59 | <petn-randall> | gbit: Which release are you running? |
| 11:59 | <gbit> | It was from Libreoffice 3.x to 4.3.3, Debian Wheezy |
| 11:59 | <retrospectacus> | sometimes it is possible, depending on lots of things |
| 12:00 | <gbit> | allright |
| 12:00 | <retrospectacus> | you can purge 4.3.3 and then try to locate a 3.x deb and see if it will install |
| 12:01 | <gbit> | yes it works that way, I was just wondering if was another method |
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| 12:01 | <retrospectacus> | 3.x is in wheezy, 4.3 in wheezy-backports. |
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| 12:02 | <retrospectacus> | you could try "apt-get -t wheezy install libreoffice=1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2" or so |
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| 12:03 | <jean_> | I am rying to open some ports with iptables but when I keep on getting connection refused. iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 993 --syn -j ACCEPT and netcat localhost 993 will give localhost [127.0.0.1] 993 (imaps) : Connection refused |
| 12:04 | <retrospectacus> | jean_: have you a server listening there? |
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| 12:05 | <jean_> | retrospectacus: yes I do. I am trying to get davmail to work |
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| 14:37 | <rostam> | Hi I like to know the command apt-cache policy <packagename> gets its info from what files? |
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| 14:40 | <retrospectacus> | rostam: from the package lists. They are in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 14:41 | <rostam> | retrospectacus, thanks, is it possible to manually change the "candidate" install for a file. I am just testing ... |
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| 14:42 | <retrospectacus> | rostam: uhm, yes, but not by editing those files. |
| 14:42 | <rostam> | retrospectacus, then how please? |
| 14:42 | <retrospectacus> | by changing your sources, preferences, or pinning |
| 14:43 | <rostam> | retrospectacus, I know about sources and pinning, what is preferences ? |
| 14:44 | <retrospectacus> | it is /etc/apt/preferences and preferences.d/ |
| 14:45 | <retrospectacus> | man apt_preferences |
| 14:45 | <rostam> | retrospectacus, thank you so much. |
| 14:46 | <retrospectacus> | you can also install a "non-candidate" version with the = or -t options, e.g. apt-get install mawk=1.3.3-17 |
| 14:46 | <retrospectacus> | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install git |
| 14:47 | <retrospectacus> | or ask about something specific here |
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| 15:03 | <rostam> | HI how could I down grade a package version? thx |
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| 15:19 | <retrospectacus> | rostam: I told you how earlier. If you are having trouble, put your commands and output on http://paste.debian.net for us to see. |
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| 15:28 | <godi> | HOLIS COMO ANDAN POR HAI TODOS |
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| 15:47 | <rostam> | retrospectacus, thanks |
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| 15:50 | <TheMagestrate> | What up shun |
| 15:50 | <flaxo> | any pointers on how to install debian wheezy on a uefi-computer? |
| 15:50 | <TheMagestrate> | Anyone in here violating gag orders? |
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| 15:51 | <TheMagestrate> | I got deez to gag on instead :D |
| 15:51 | <flaxo> | is there an install image capable of creating gpt partitions automatically yet? |
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| 15:51 | <blast007> | flaxo: the Wheezy install ISOs support UEFI booting |
| 15:52 | <flaxo> | hm... |
| 15:52 | <TheMagestrate> | It's abysmal |
| 15:52 | <flaxo> | what am i doing wrong than... |
| 15:52 | <flaxo> | i could not find any options regarding gpt partitioning |
| 15:53 | <flaxo> | needless to say it did not boot from disk after install went trough... |
| 15:53 | <blast007> | flaxo: did you boot the CD as the UEFI option? |
| 15:53 | <flaxo> | hm... i used a live-cd... |
| 15:53 | <flaxo> | could that be the problem? |
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| 15:54 | <blast007> | flaxo: I've only used the netinst CDs |
| 15:54 | <flaxo> | ok and that worked? |
| 15:55 | <flaxo> | on a system with only uefi` |
| 15:55 | <blast007> | is it a Mac? |
| 15:55 | <flaxo> | no |
| 15:55 | <flaxo> | thinkpad |
| 15:55 | <flaxo> | x230 |
| 15:55 | <TheMagestrate> | Mac daddy |
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| 15:55 | <flaxo> | -_- |
| 15:56 | <blast007> | then it likely also has a legacy BIOS mode. But yes, it should let you boot in UEFI mode. |
| 15:56 | <flaxo> | i tried to install in leagacy mode but it went ill... |
| 15:56 | <flaxo> | ok |
| 15:57 | <flaxo> | the live-cd thingy did not boot in uefi mode |
| 15:57 | <flaxo> | or what lenovo thakes for it... |
| 15:58 | <TheMagestrate> | Anyone know why my latest version of my bios for Qosmio x505 only supports 1333mhz ram and not 1600mhz? But when I flash a later version it reads 1600mhz?pfft |
| 15:58 | <flaxo> | so plain old DVD-1 should do fine? |
| 15:58 | <TheMagestrate> | In latest version it states added ram support..? |
| 15:59 | <TheMagestrate> | Crazy right? |
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| 15:59 | <flaxo> | TheMagestrate: maybe they used a xerox to build that thing |
| 15:59 | <flaxo> | -_- |
| 16:00 | <TheMagestrate> | I know right.. |
| 16:00 | <TheMagestrate> | Turns out the exe of that file was infected' |
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| 16:01 | <blast007> | TheMagestrate: that's outside the scope of Debian Linux support. You'd have to ask the manufacturer of your device. |
| 16:01 | <TheMagestrate> | I wonder why legitimate files from legitimate websites end up infected |
| 16:02 | <TheMagestrate> | Every Nvidia driver pack I download has a virus |
| 16:02 | <TheMagestrate> | Everyone... |
| 16:02 | <blast007> | TheMagestrate: Do you have a Debian support question? |
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| 16:02 | <TheMagestrate> | Nah.. shining |
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| 16:04 | <TheMagestrate> | So how would I find out if a search warrant was issued? |
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| 16:07 | <Apollo> | TheMagestrate: please leave |
| 16:08 | <TheMagestrate> | Why? |
| 16:08 | <Apollo> | Because you refuse to follow the rules and guidelines for this channel |
| 16:10 | <TheMagestrate> | This channel doesn't own me.. |
| 16:10 | <TheMagestrate> | :P |
| 16:11 | <retrospectacus> | it owns itself and will throw you out :D |
| 16:11 | <TheMagestrate> | Get the bootin |
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| 16:37 | <stemid> | can anyone help me with rsnapshot rules so that I exclusive include only specific dirs? I've tried specifying only includes but then everything gets backed up. if I exclude * then nothing gets backed up. how do I solve this? |
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| 16:38 | <stemid> | I'm using wheezy |
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| 16:44 | <rryoumaa> | stemid: not for rsnapshot per se but i am told that http://sprunge.us/KDbD should work, but i might have had trouble getting it to work. what i do currently for a --relative setup (which rsnapshot uses) is include the includes on the command line. |
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| 16:44 | <rryoumaa> | as sources |
| 16:45 | <stemid> | yes that was what I was considering too. |
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| 16:50 | <rryoumaa> | careful of those trailing / |
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| 17:41 | <jhutchins> | !backup |
| 17:41 | <dpkg> | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
| 17:41 | <jhutchins> | !things to backup |
| 17:41 | <dpkg> | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
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| 17:42 | <retrospectacus> | dpkg: tell jhutchins about message the bot |
| 17:42 | <jhutchins> | retrospectacus: Wanted to share with the channel given previous discussion. |
| 17:42 | <jhutchins> | retrospectacus: Was hoping for an example exclude mask. |
| 17:43 | <retrospectacus> | oh that. I see! |
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| 17:46 | <flaxo> | blast007: hm... the dvd-1 from stable does not work in uefi mode... it throws a "error: prefix not defined" and halts on a black screen |
| 17:47 | <flaxo> | what image exactly where you using when successfully installing debian wheezy on uefi hardware.? |
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| 17:47 | <blast007> | I was using the netinst ISO, but I'd think it would work for the DVD1 as well |
| 17:47 | <flaxo> | hm,... so i am missing something... |
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| 17:48 | <flaxo> | it is the same error no matter if i boot uefi complient mode or fallback mode... |
| 17:49 | <flaxo> | that is what lenovo calls "both" meaning legacy and uefi... |
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| 17:49 | <blast007> | are you telling it to boot to the DVD? |
| 17:49 | <flaxo> | so maybe my usb-key is corrupted... |
| 17:49 | <flaxo> | usb pen drive |
| 17:49 | <flaxo> | no optical device on that machine |
| 17:50 | <flaxo> | but yes it is the right boot device |
| 17:50 | <retrospectacus> | how did you create the USB device? (write DVD iso) |
| 17:51 | <flaxo> | dd |
| 17:51 | <flaxo> | as allways |
| 17:51 | <retrospectacus> | that should work |
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| 17:53 | <flaxo> | well i am making another approach tomorrow... thanks for your help... at least i know it should work... |
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| 17:59 | <jhutchins> | flaxo: That would be my first guess too. |
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| 18:44 | <root_> | here China wish you have a lucky day！！ |
| 18:44 | <root_> | nice to see you |
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| 20:23 | <awal> | flaxo, for wheezy only amd64 image is able to install in uefi mode |
| 20:24 | <awal> | ofcourse secure boot disabled |
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| 20:25 | <awal> | for jessie probably i386 too |
| 20:25 | <awal> | https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2014/17/#UEFI |
| 20:26 | <awal> | http://blog.einval.com/2014/11/20#Jessie-EFI |
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| 20:47 | <Anoniemal> | Hello, can anyone enlighten me why I am banned (prompts me with 403 Forbidden) from https://wiki.debian.org/ ? I would really appreciate a response, thanks. |
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| 20:53 | <jordanm> | Anoniemal: maybe try debian-admin@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:03 | <twb> | Stupid question: why does apt-file search --regex ^etc/logcheck give the same results as ^/etc/logcheck ? |
| 21:04 | <twb> | It happens that's useful, but it makes me worry about whether it's being *too* "clever" |
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| 21:24 | <rryoumaa> | perhaps it runs in / |
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| 21:27 | <twb> | rryoumaa: I don't see how that would affect a *regexp* match |
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| 21:36 | <awal> | I wonder if there is any gnu/linux app I can use for check the outside temperature (I mean temperature at home) (?) |
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| 21:38 | <twb> | lm-sensors & arduino are the firs things that come to mind |
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| 21:42 | <dvs> | gkrellm? |
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| 21:43 | <twb> | that wraps around lm-sensors. But that's mostly for internal thermometers, so you'd have to put your computer out there. |
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| 21:44 | <TeslasMHD> | awal: gnome-shell-extension-weather or gkrellweather. |
| 21:44 | <twb> | TeslasMHD: I think he means "how hot is it on my porch" not "how hot is it at the nearest airport". Otherwise, yeah, that's definitely the easiest way. |
| 21:45 | <TeslasMHD> | twb: I see. |
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| 21:46 | <twb> | So you need a sensor on the porch, and you need to connect it to your real computer somehow |
| 21:47 | <TeslasMHD> | I once read a tutorial how to connect a weather station to Linux and collect sonsor data. |
| 21:47 | <twb> | on dealextreme you can get a USB temperature sensor for, like, $4 |
| 21:47 | <twb> | So one way would be to just use an old laptop with that plugged in. |
| 21:47 | <awal> | TeslasMHD, ok. thanks I'll look to gkrellweather |
| 21:48 | <TeslasMHD> | awal: You're welcome. You have to start gkrellm to use that. |
| 21:49 | <awal> | twb, yeah an usb sensor is a way but i'll check if the gkrellmweather does the job |
| 21:49 | <awal> | TeslasMHD, ok :) |
| 21:49 | <twb> | awal: it just depends on whether you want *your* temperature, or a nearby one |
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| 21:50 | <awal> | twb, i want check my temperature |
| 21:50 | <twb> | gkrellm &c will basically go onto bom.gov.au or equivalent, and look up the nearby temperature that someone else measured |
| 21:50 | <awal> | my home temperature via laptop |
| 21:51 | <awal> | so with gkrellmweather is like going to an X website ? |
| 21:51 | <awal> | hmmm |
| 21:51 | <twb> | yea basically |
| 21:51 | <TeslasMHD> | awal: If you want the temerature in your room/flat you need a additional sensor. |
| 21:51 | <awal> | like an usb sensor? |
| 21:51 | <twb> | I mean it does it using an API, not onscreen |
| 21:52 | <TeslasMHD> | awal: A waether station with USB connection or some kind of sensor for enthusiasts. |
| 21:53 | <awal> | TeslasMHD, ok. i understood. thanks |
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| 21:53 | <TeslasMHD> | awal: The tmperature your laptop measures is inside your pc case and will be much higher than the temperature you feel next to it. |
| 21:54 | <twb> | Nod. |
| 21:54 | <awal> | i was just curious if there is an app that runs as sensor and can monitor house temperature |
| 21:55 | <twb> | awal: you can build one but it is not turnkey :-) |
| 21:55 | <abrotman> | awal: $2, go down to the pharmacy and buy a thermometer .. |
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| 21:56 | <twb> | butbutbut then you have to GET UP and WALK OVER to it! |
| 21:56 | <awal> | abrotman, more easy yeah :) |
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| 21:57 | <abrotman> | twb: you could carry it aroud |
| 21:57 | <abrotman> | awal: they do make internet-connected thermostats |
| 21:57 | <twb> | he wants to know how hot it is outside, though. I was assuming he is inside |
| 21:57 | <twb> | But meh |
| 21:57 | <abrotman> | twb: he said house temperature |
| 21:58 | <twb> | hum, ok |
| 22:00 | <awal> | ok guys, thats not really important. i'll go to walmart ;) |
| 22:01 | <awal> | my ask is stupid after all. any app running in an x machine only can check the machine hardware i think so |
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| 22:01 | <twb> | awal: are you in india? |
| 22:01 | <awal> | it must be an external device for check external things |
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| 22:02 | <awal> | twb, no. why? |
| 22:02 | <twb> | You used indian english and I was curious if walmart was operating there |
| 22:02 | <dvs> | twb: I wouldn't want to step outside where awal is. |
| 22:03 | <awal> | twb, Canada here |
| 22:03 | <twb> | k |
| 22:03 | <awal> | frozen outside |
| 22:03 | <awal> | hehe |
| 22:03 | <abrotman> | Perhaps quebecois? |
| 22:03 | <awal> | twb, indian english? |
| 22:03 | <twb> | "ask" as a noun |
| 22:03 | <awal> | abrotman, in the area yeah |
| 22:03 | <abrotman> | ask is a noun |
| 22:03 | <abrotman> | or rather, can be |
| 22:04 | <twb> | OK wikipedia says I'm wrong, so never mind |
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| 22:04 | <abrotman> | twb: probably your australian accent :) |
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| 22:05 | <awal> | :) |
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| 22:28 | <anderson> | boa noite |
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| 22:38 | <twb> | Heh. About 80% of these logcheck whitelists haven't changed in five years. |
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| 22:54 | <SUMEDHE5DMS> | Hello, I can't use bluetooth as when I run "hcitool scan" it says "Device is not available: No such device". How can I solve this problem? (I'm using Dell I 3542, debian wheezy). |
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| 22:55 | <twb> | oh I think I remember that one |
| 22:55 | <twb> | SUMEDHE5DMS: sudo hciconfig hci0 up |
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| 22:56 | <twb> | SUMEDHE5DMS: also maybe "sudo rfkill unblock bluetooth" |
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| 23:03 | <SUMEDHE5DMS> | "sudo hciconfig hci0 up" returns "Can't get device info: No such device" |
| 23:04 | <twb> | And the other? |
| 23:04 | <twb> | I admit I don't really know what I'm doing. bluetooth doesn't like me much, and I darkly suspect it's because every other bt user in the world just uses a GUI and some GUI thing does the secret bits. |
| 23:04 | <SUMEDHE5DMS> | #"sudo rfkill unblock bluetooth" returns "rfkill: command not found" |
| 23:05 | <twb> | For some reason when I turn my netbook on, I can only get the keyboard to work by turning it off, switching OUT of X, THEN booting the keyboard. |
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| 23:05 | <twb> | That only started happening after the last bluez upgrade |
| 23:06 | <SUMEDHE5DMS> | I can turn on bluetooth from the gnome taskbar. But in the bluetooth window does not work. |
| 23:06 | <twb> | SUMEDHE5DMS: what's in /sys/class/bluetooth/ ? |
| 23:07 | <SUMEDHE5DMS> | Empty folder |
| 23:08 | <twb> | Do you have bluetooth hardware? |
| 23:08 | <SUMEDHE5DMS> | Yes. I can use it in windows os. |
| 23:09 | <twb> | Is it internal? Can you see it in "lsusb -t" or "lspci -nn" or similar? |
| 23:09 | <twb> | Mine required a non-free driver |
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| 23:13 | <SUMEDHE5DMS> | twb: It doesn't shows a bluetooth device. Do I need to install drivers? (for Dell inspiron 15 3542) |
| 23:13 | <twb> | You should be able to see the device without a driver. |
| 23:13 | <twb> | e.g. mine appears as this: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0489:e056 Foxconn / Hon Hai |
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| 23:14 | <twb> | I don't know about dells, but you could look it up on that linuxlaptops site |
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| 23:18 | <SUMEDHE5DMS> | twb: Thanks. I'll try! |
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