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00:00<twb>OK don't worry about it. hash -r is probably not important
00:00<Finetundra>ok
00:00<twb>What did you try, and what error did it give?
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00:01<Finetundra>one example would be, i did apt-get install cowsay. it then went and installed cowsay. when i enter cowsay into the terminal i get bash: cowsay: command not found
00:02<twb>Ah, OK.
00:02<twb>That's just because /usr/game is not in root's $PATH
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00:02<Finetundra>but even ifconfig returns the error
00:02<twb>That one I can't explain
00:02<twb>When this happens, what is $PATH ?
00:03<Finetundra>?
00:03<Finetundra>what do you mean?
00:03<twb>Ah ifconfig is /sbin/ifconfig which is in root's path, but not in normal user's path
00:03<twb>Finetundra: $PATH is a variable; it tells bash where to look for programs.
00:03<Finetundra>it even does it in root
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00:04<twb>It should be something like /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin for root, and /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/games for non-root
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00:05<twb>When the problem occurs, you should try "echo $PATH", and "which ifconfig" (for some value of "ifconfig")
00:05<Finetundra>what do you mean some value?
00:06<twb>e.g. if it was cowsay you'd run "which cowsay" not "which ifconfig" :-)
00:06<Finetundra>i still am lost
00:06<twb>Is the problem happening right now?
00:06<Finetundra>yep
00:07<twb>OK, in the shell where the problem is happening, run "echo $PATH" and tell me what it says
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00:08<Finetundra>ok
00:09<Finetundra>wouldn't let me paste it in chat http://pastebin.com/pUhEyc8G
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00:10<twb>OK that is missing /sbin (so ifconfig will not be found); and it is missing /usr/games (so cowsay will not be found).
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00:10<twb>Is this a root shell?
00:10<Finetundra>no
00:11<twb>is /usr/games mentioned in /etc/login.defs and /etc/environment?
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00:12<twb>It should be in both
00:12<twb>It sounds like somehow, the way you make the shell is not reading either file. That is weird.
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00:14<twb>(It is also weird that /usr/X11R6/bin is in there; that's an old thing.)
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00:17<Finetundra>the 1st file did come back with usr/games in it. the 2nd was blank. the last bit you mentioned could be the fact that the machine automatically resorted to gnome-fallback-session for the desktop
00:17<twb>yeah sorry I was looking at a newer Debian
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00:17<twb>In debian 7 it should be in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs
00:17<twb>And that is probably the problem -- GDM GUI logins probably don't read either of those
00:18<twb>Anyway, you can just cheat for now. In .bashrc, put something like PATH="$PATH":/usr/games
00:19<Finetundra>the 4th file you mentioned does contain a /usr/game portion
00:19<twb>And probably it will fix itself when you upgrade to Debian 8
00:19<twb>I can't be bothered fixing it "properly" because that involves debugging how your GDM session starts
00:19<Finetundra>i am running on ancient hardware
00:21<Finetundra>thanks
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00:30<notapianokey>exit
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00:39<Guest790>hello
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01:08<mega>есть кто? )
01:08<jm_>!ru
01:08<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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01:14<twb>Hm... It looks like I can just do "ar p foo.deb data.tar.gz data.tar.xz" and not care about the "missing" one
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01:26<twb>Derp, that won't work because I have to tell | tar --xz or | tar --gzip
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01:30<jm_>twb: doesn't tar -xz work?
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01:31<jm_>or maybe -a
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01:32<twb>IIRC tar can't autodetect on streams
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01:32<jm_>yeah makes sense in general
01:33<twb>http://sprunge.us/ILRj
01:34<twb>It works if I pass -z but obviously that makes it unhappy about logcheck 1.3.17 which is data.tar.xz
01:34<twb>It's not a big deal, it just means I have to do an extra pass to check which it is
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01:36<jm_>must really be limitation due to use of streams since otherwise one doesn't even need to use -z these days
01:37<twb>Well yeah, the limitation that you can't rewind them :-)
01:37<jm_>and indeed, reading from a pipe is mentioned there
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01:54<twb>Bleh, so much yak to shave
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01:58<twb>So I grab Packages.gz because my local mirror doesn't have Packages (uncompressed). But my local httpd + curl is helpfully uncompressing it due to my .curlrc, but that doesn't happen with http.d.n, so I can't just cut corners and assume one behaviour or the other
01:58<twb>And I keep thinking someone has probably already solved this problem
02:00<twb>Hm... I've been intending to extract ./etc/logcheck from *every* package in wheezy... but the leaf nodes' package lists are mostly static, so I *could* just grab etc/logcheck from each of them
02:01<twb>That'd be much easier, and the only real issue is that I ought to re-do that every time I build an SOE, but I won't. i.e. false negatives.
02:02<twb>That might screw me when $customer asks for a bag of extra apps.
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02:12<rjsalts>you're talking about getting things which have /etc/logcheck/... from Contents, yeah?
02:13<twb>rjsalts: actually I was just going to run it across everything in Packages
02:13<twb>But sure I could use Contents to skip the binary packages that have no etc/logcheck :-)
02:13<twb>Lemme pastebin my problem synopsis
02:14<twb>http://sprunge.us/ZXAD?sh
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02:15<jm_>it ends on a positive note ")
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02:17<twb>OK, new plan. Since all my leaf nodes are Debian 7 amd64, assume my script is running in such a chroot, and the chroot is expendable. Install apt-file and apt-file update. Set dpkg.cfg.d/argh to ONLY unpack- damn.
02:18<twb>That'll break the chroot when it gets to unpacking things like upstart, because with --force-all or so, it'll remove parts of the system the script is still using.
02:18<twb>So I probably still need to use ar and tar, but I can use apt-file and apt-get download to avoid the first 90% of the yaks.
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02:22<rjsalts>twb: what does debootstrap do?
02:22<twb>IME debootstrap will get very unhappy if you --include too much stuff
02:23<twb>Because inside it is stuff like "just keep unpacking until there are no more conflicts"
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02:23<rjsalts>twb: oh does dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile help?
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02:23<twb>rjsalts: ah that will avoid the ar t/ar p
02:24<twb>And since I'm now planning to do this in a chroot, I have a dpkg with xz support!
02:24<twb>(I was going to run it on the mirror so that most of the .debs where in file:/// and therefore it'd be faster to grab them.)
02:25<twb>Heh "ununderstood data member"
02:26<rjsalts>home time for me, good luck
02:27<twb>Haha, I just happened to look and the ONLY package in my desktop SOE with its own logcheck is lirc
02:27<twb>All the rest come from logcheck-database, so if I had just stolen that from wheezy I'd probably have said "eh, good enough" at lunchtime
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02:48<twb>http://sprunge.us/gBeL?bash
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02:49<twb>It even finished really quickly. Hooray
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03:38<rohit_>hi
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03:41<ninjabox>hi
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03:55<pcdog>so, wieder da. Ping meebey 2
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03:56<ben_>hllllleledhsg
03:57<ben_>hello
03:57<ben_>hi i am ben
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04:04<root_16>hello
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04:06<root__>hello
04:06<root__>anyone here???
04:07<root__>hello root-16
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04:07<gnugr>root__: if you need help just ask
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04:08<root__>thank you
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04:38<Debian-gdm>hello i need help i am not sure was there some broken update of gnome lately?
04:39<Debian-gdm>my deskopt is kinda broken and there is problem with gdm3 instalation
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04:40<Debian-gdm>it tells me there a postprocess installed script post-installation returned errorcode number 1
04:41<jm_>!bat
04:41<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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04:44<Debian-gdm>am i suppose to copy there terminal?
04:44<jm_>yes
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04:44<jm_>not here though, on the paste site
04:45<Debian-gdm>ok but some content is in polish
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04:45<jm_>ask dpkg about localized errors
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04:46<Debian-gdm>how do i ask it ?
04:46<jm_>/msg dpkg localized errors
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04:47<Debian-gdm>it says there is non such folder
04:47<Debian-gdm>or file
04:47<Debian-gdm>directory*
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04:48<jm_>in your irc client
04:48<Debian-gdm> /msg dpkg localized errors
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04:48<jm_>!tell Debian-gdm -about localized errors
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04:52<Debian-gdm>http://paste.debian.net/139209/
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04:55<Debian-gdm>yesterday i didnt install anything that should have effect on the deskopt
04:55<Debian-gdm>wheni came it was broken so i tried to reinstall it
04:55<Debian-gdm>and here error pops out
04:55<jm_>did you change minissdpd init script yourself?
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04:56<Debian-gdm>i didnt touch it
04:56<Debian-gdm>sec ill check for 100% sure if it was changed by synaptic
04:56<jm_>put that and cups init script on pastebin too
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04:58<Debian-gdm>i dont have minisspd installed
04:58<Debian-gdm>minissdpd8
04:58<Debian-gdm>**
04:59<jm_>do you have cups installed?
04:59<Debian-gdm>i installed it some time ago
04:59<Debian-gdm>like 3-4 days
04:59<jm_>do you need it? did you edit its init script?
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05:00<Debian-gdm>i wanted it for setting printer i didnt edit anythign in it
05:00<jm_>put both init scripts on pastebin please
05:00<Debian-gdm>didnt have time and left it for now
05:00<Debian-gdm>how do i do that?
05:00<jm_>cat /etc/init.d/cups mark it and paste it like before?
05:01<jm_>same for minissdpd
05:02<Debian-gdm>http://paste.debian.net/139210/
05:02<Debian-gdm>thats one
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05:02<jm_>that's not from debian package, how did you install it?
05:03<Debian-gdm>downloaded from their site ./configure make make install
05:03<Debian-gdm>it was suppose to be for debian
05:03<jm_>we don't support that, that's why you have problems now
05:03<Debian-gdm>debian//linux
05:03<Debian-gdm>so i should remove it?
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05:04<Debian-gdm>minisspdp doesnt exist
05:04<jm_>yes, see if 'make uninstall' will do the job
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05:04<Debian-gdm>ill check if i still have the install package
05:04<Debian-gdm>sec
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05:05<babilen>That's why you should *always* use stow if you install from source btw -- /msg dpkg stow usage
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05:08<Debian-gdm>http://paste.debian.net/139212/
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05:13<Debian-gdm>strange but synaptic sees cups
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05:17<Debian-gdm>well im slowly removing it thank you for help
05:20<andre>hi
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05:23<darksonn>I can't connect to a WiFi, I have to use the terminal, after I set the essid of the network, akd run dhclient, it just hangs there, iw wlan0 link says not connected
05:24<darksonn>The WiFi has no password
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05:50<ninjabox>darksonn: can you set an IP address manually?
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05:51<darksonn>Ninjabox: I don't know, I could try
05:52<ninjabox>darksonn: that was where I was going with that =P
05:52<microcluster>good morning
05:52<ninjabox>darksonn: let me know how that goes. i'll try to help you but it is about 5am here
05:53<ninjabox>and I am fast fadin
05:53<microcluster> i've a problem with dirmngr access at boot, how to solve it?
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05:56<darksonn>Ninjabox: doesn't work, I'm apparently not connected to the ap in the first place
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05:57<ninjabox>darksonn: well that's gonna be a problem heh
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06:00<darksonn>Ninjabox: what do I need to do to connect other than iwconfig wlan0 essid name
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06:13<PaulePanter>Hi. According to `man req` the following command is supposed to create a CSR.
06:13<PaulePanter>openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey rsa:2048 -keyout cert.pem -out cert.csr
06:13<PaulePanter>Unfortunately, cert.csr is also justa key. Do you have an idea, what I am doing wrong?
06:13<PaulePanter>$ openssl req -noout -text -in cert.csr
06:13<PaulePanter>fails of course afterward.
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06:14<PaulePanter>I am using OpenSSL 1.0.1j-1.
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06:15<some>in what directory is ketp usb?
06:15<PaulePanter>some: Depends where you mount it.
06:16<some>so where can it be?
06:16<some>is taht a hard question?
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06:17<some>where can it be?
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06:22<Cr4zyVitt>How many theorical UDP "connections" can I route on a Debian box using IPTables packet forwarding? 65536?
06:23<rene>i have problems with my second monitor and gnome
06:23<rene>if i drag a window to the second monitor i only see my cursor
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06:23<rene>when i focus my primary monitor the second refreshes
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06:25<ArtooDetoo>PaulePanter: why do you think it is just a key?
06:25<some>what is the directory fo usb...
06:26<ArtooDetoo>some: look somewhere in /media/ or in /mnt/
06:27<some>ok thx
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06:27<rene>does any1 uses debian with two monitors?
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06:29<some>nothign it doesnt see usb
06:30<jm_>rene: no doubt
06:30<some>i mean it sees but its not on disc lol
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06:30<ArtooDetoo>some: is the usb drive mounted? type "mount" in a terminal to see
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06:33<some>doesnt look like he seees it
06:33<some>lots of strange data
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06:34<some>but i got utility to check disc and it sees it
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06:36<some>ok nvm dolphin saved me;)
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06:39<some>ok on elast q ow much space on disc should i give for debian sys??
06:39<some>60 giga?
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06:40<SynrGy>whatever you like. your habits will determine how much you need
06:40<SynrGy>do you use a lot of data-heavy apps? games?
06:41<SynrGy>do you use a lot of media files, particularly video?
06:41<some>NOT GAMES
06:41<some>sry caps
06:41<some>media will go on othere disc
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06:42<SynrGy>you can happily get away with 20G, i would say. if space is really tight, use less. if you have space to spare, use more.
06:42<some>ok thank you:)
06:42<SynrGy>if you had games or video, 60 sound about right
06:43<SynrGy>sounds*
06:43<some>kk thank you very much:)
06:43<SynrGy>does the installation guide not give advice about htis?
06:43<SynrGy>this*
06:44<some>its super small install from usb
06:44<SynrGy>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s05.html.en
06:45<SynrGy>those figures are somewhat dated. if you follow the link to https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.html.en it says "With desktop" figure is 5G
06:45<SynrGy>i doubt if that's correct any longer with gnome. and particularly the ram of 512M
06:46<some>its ok i allready had it once
06:46<SynrGy>so if you're aiming for minimal, then yes, 10G should be fine
06:46<some>i will probably stick too 60 giga its like biggest min i wanted to give:)
06:47<PaulePanter>ArtooDetoo: Well, it’s a certificate. I had to leave out `-x509` to get it working.
06:47<SynrGy>i've successfully installed a complete wheezy desktop (XFCE4) in 4G. but as her needs increased, i gave her more space via SD card and network share (old eeepc model 4G aka 701)
06:48<SynrGy>k. 60G is ample room
06:48<PaulePanter>SynrGy: By the way, do you still use your Asus Eee PC 4G?
06:48<SynrGy>since my daughter got an asus tablet, not so much.
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06:49<SynrGy>i have a second system for testing. but only one good power supply between the two of them.
06:49<SynrGy>that one has been offline for months
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06:50<PaulePanter>The battery of mine is pretty bad so without power cable plugged in it only lasts 10 minutes or so.
06:50<SynrGy>PaulePanter: the hinge is shot to hell on her netbook. my backup stats say it hasn't been seen in over a hundred days ...
06:50<some>ok guys thx!!!
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06:51<PaulePanter>SynrGy: I need to reinstall and use it as a test system for newer Linux kernels. There are still some Intel driver graphics bugs.
06:51<SynrGy>and most things she likes to use really suffer on it.
06:51<SynrGy>yeah
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06:51<SynrGy>if i could think of some way to repurpose these, i would. but nothing comes to mind :/
06:51<PaulePanter>SynrGy: Thanks again for you great work back then for Debian-eeepc-devel, (and now)
06:51<PaulePanter>and a happy new year.
06:52<SynrGy>you're welcome. happy new year!
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06:55<PaulePanter>SynrGy: I still use it for typing protocols in meetings. Although the keyboard is quite small my fingers got used to it and I can type pretty fast on it.
06:57<SynrGy>it was a fine system in its day. and yes, the keyboard thing took some adjustment but eventually my brain rewired for it.
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07:08<PaulePanter>SynrGy: I am still sad, that Microsoft (Windows (XP)) were able to recover back then.
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07:16<claw___>http://paste.triple6.org/?50
07:16<SynrGy>PaulePanter: probably better to take this #debian-offtopic
07:16<claw___>anybody knows how this could be fixed ?
07:16<claw___>i want to update an outdated system
07:16<claw___>but libc6 makes some problems
07:17<jordanm>claw___: are you out of disk space?
07:17<claw___>no
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07:18<claw___>4 GB free space
07:19<SynrGy>all in one partition?
07:19<claw___>yes
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07:21<claw___>just did apt-get clean and try again
07:22<SynrGy>claw___: short of running out of space on the unpack, i can't see how else that could happen
07:22<jm_>are you skipping releases or even upgrading from one release to another without dist-upgrade?
07:22<claw___>that isn't possible
07:22<SynrGy>jm_: take note: it's the unpack that fails
07:22<claw___>there is space
07:22<jm_>SynrGy: it's pre-inst that fails?
07:22<SynrGy>no. the unpack
07:22<SynrGy>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-38+deb7u6_amd64.deb (--unpack):
07:22<dpkg>synrgy: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
07:22<jm_>naah subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
07:23<SynrGy>oops, yes
07:23<SynrGy>you could edit the preinst to set -x
07:23<SynrGy>but exit 2 doesn't happen ... exit 1, maybe
07:24<SynrGy>something the preinst calls terminates it?
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07:24<jm_>most likely yeah
07:24<claw___>okay i ll try
07:24<claw___>just need to wait till download is finished
07:24<SynrGy>yep
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07:25<SynrGy>later
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07:30<Xylon>Hi, does wheezy use udev?
07:32<jm_>yes
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07:44<pat_>bonjour
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07:45<pat_>besoin d'aide s v p
07:45<jm_>!fr
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07:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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07:48<rfreeman>!seen dysfunctional
07:48<dpkg>dysfunctional <~dysfuncti@2602:304:6eaf:cbe0:3553:2653:a7be:a2fc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 12h 33m 1s ago, saying: 'thanks I'll check it out'.
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08:11<claw___>jm_, how could i add set +x where is that preinstallation script ?
08:12<jm_>claw___: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.preinst
08:13<jm_>and it's "set -x"
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08:15<claw___>mh... that had no effect on the output
08:16<claw___>of apt-get install -f
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08:16<jm_>where in the file have you put it and which file exactly?
08:17<claw___>under the shebang
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08:17<jm_>"set -x" or "set +x"?
08:18<jm_>and the other question from earlier too
08:18<claw___>as you said -x
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08:19<claw___>what earlier question ? sorry
08:20<jm_> which file exactly?
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08:22<jm_>then it's possible you'll need to make this modification in the package itself
08:22<jm_>also how about my initial questions -- are you skipping releases or even upgrading from one release to another without dist-upgrade?
08:23<claw___>no just updating wheezy
08:23<claw___>last update was months ago
08:23<claw___>which was successful
08:24<claw___>Preparing to replace libc6:amd64 2.13-38+deb7u1 (using .../libc6_2.13-38+deb7u6_amd64.deb) ...
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08:27<claw___>oh there we go
08:27<claw___>finally more output
08:27<claw___>http://paste.triple6.org/?51
08:28<jm_>that's just output from -D1 not from shell
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11:43<gbit>hello, how can I take back an package update? Just removing and downloading/installing it?
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11:44<mtn>gbit: it might work, as long as no dependency problems
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11:54<petn-randall>gbit: Yes, purging is the opposite action of installing. If you did 'apt-get install foo', 'apt-get purge foo' will remove it again, including config files.
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11:57<gbit>but there is a correct way to downgrade a package for the last version before upgrade?
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11:57<retrospectacus>that is *not* "take back a package update"; it is "remove entirely". gbit should provide a more detailed description of what (s)he wants to do
11:58<retrospectacus>gbit: what package? what version did you have, what version did you upgrade to?
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11:58<petn-randall>gbit: Downgrading is not supported, so it entirely depends on what package it is if it's doable.
11:58<gbit>I'm just wondering if is possible. I had some problems in the pass with libreoffice upgrade
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11:59<petn-randall>gbit: From where to where are you upgrading?
11:59<petn-randall>gbit: Which release are you running?
11:59<gbit>It was from Libreoffice 3.x to 4.3.3, Debian Wheezy
11:59<retrospectacus>sometimes it is possible, depending on lots of things
12:00<gbit>allright
12:00<retrospectacus>you can purge 4.3.3 and then try to locate a 3.x deb and see if it will install
12:01<gbit>yes it works that way, I was just wondering if was another method
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12:01<retrospectacus> 3.x is in wheezy, 4.3 in wheezy-backports.
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12:02<retrospectacus>you could try "apt-get -t wheezy install libreoffice=1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2" or so
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12:03<jean_>I am rying to open some ports with iptables but when I keep on getting connection refused. iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 993 --syn -j ACCEPT and netcat localhost 993 will give localhost [127.0.0.1] 993 (imaps) : Connection refused
12:04<retrospectacus>jean_: have you a server listening there?
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12:05<jean_>retrospectacus: yes I do. I am trying to get davmail to work
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14:37<rostam>Hi I like to know the command apt-cache policy <packagename> gets its info from what files?
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14:40<retrospectacus>rostam: from the package lists. They are in /var/lib/apt/lists/
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14:41<rostam>retrospectacus, thanks, is it possible to manually change the "candidate" install for a file. I am just testing ...
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14:42<retrospectacus>rostam: uhm, yes, but not by editing those files.
14:42<rostam>retrospectacus, then how please?
14:42<retrospectacus>by changing your sources, preferences, or pinning
14:43<rostam>retrospectacus, I know about sources and pinning, what is preferences ?
14:44<retrospectacus>it is /etc/apt/preferences and preferences.d/
14:45<retrospectacus>man apt_preferences
14:45<rostam>retrospectacus, thank you so much.
14:46<retrospectacus>you can also install a "non-candidate" version with the = or -t options, e.g. apt-get install mawk=1.3.3-17
14:46<retrospectacus>apt-get -t squeeze-backports install git
14:47<retrospectacus>or ask about something specific here
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15:03<rostam>HI how could I down grade a package version? thx
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15:19<retrospectacus>rostam: I told you how earlier. If you are having trouble, put your commands and output on http://paste.debian.net for us to see.
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15:28<godi>HOLIS COMO ANDAN POR HAI TODOS
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15:47<rostam>retrospectacus, thanks
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15:50<TheMagestrate>What up shun
15:50<flaxo>any pointers on how to install debian wheezy on a uefi-computer?
15:50<TheMagestrate>Anyone in here violating gag orders?
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15:51<TheMagestrate>I got deez to gag on instead :D
15:51<flaxo>is there an install image capable of creating gpt partitions automatically yet?
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15:51<blast007>flaxo: the Wheezy install ISOs support UEFI booting
15:52<flaxo>hm...
15:52<TheMagestrate>It's abysmal
15:52<flaxo>what am i doing wrong than...
15:52<flaxo>i could not find any options regarding gpt partitioning
15:53<flaxo>needless to say it did not boot from disk after install went trough...
15:53<blast007>flaxo: did you boot the CD as the UEFI option?
15:53<flaxo>hm... i used a live-cd...
15:53<flaxo>could that be the problem?
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15:54<blast007>flaxo: I've only used the netinst CDs
15:54<flaxo>ok and that worked?
15:55<flaxo>on a system with only uefi`
15:55<blast007>is it a Mac?
15:55<flaxo>no
15:55<flaxo>thinkpad
15:55<flaxo>x230
15:55<TheMagestrate>Mac daddy
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15:55<flaxo>-_-
15:56<blast007>then it likely also has a legacy BIOS mode. But yes, it should let you boot in UEFI mode.
15:56<flaxo>i tried to install in leagacy mode but it went ill...
15:56<flaxo>ok
15:57<flaxo>the live-cd thingy did not boot in uefi mode
15:57<flaxo>or what lenovo thakes for it...
15:58<TheMagestrate>Anyone know why my latest version of my bios for Qosmio x505 only supports 1333mhz ram and not 1600mhz? But when I flash a later version it reads 1600mhz?pfft
15:58<flaxo>so plain old DVD-1 should do fine?
15:58<TheMagestrate>In latest version it states added ram support..?
15:59<TheMagestrate>Crazy right?
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15:59<flaxo>TheMagestrate: maybe they used a xerox to build that thing
15:59<flaxo>-_-
16:00<TheMagestrate>I know right..
16:00<TheMagestrate>Turns out the exe of that file was infected'
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16:01<blast007>TheMagestrate: that's outside the scope of Debian Linux support. You'd have to ask the manufacturer of your device.
16:01<TheMagestrate>I wonder why legitimate files from legitimate websites end up infected
16:02<TheMagestrate>Every Nvidia driver pack I download has a virus
16:02<TheMagestrate>Everyone...
16:02<blast007>TheMagestrate: Do you have a Debian support question?
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16:02<TheMagestrate>Nah.. shining
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16:04<TheMagestrate>So how would I find out if a search warrant was issued?
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16:07<Apollo>TheMagestrate: please leave
16:08<TheMagestrate>Why?
16:08<Apollo>Because you refuse to follow the rules and guidelines for this channel
16:10<TheMagestrate>This channel doesn't own me..
16:10<TheMagestrate>:P
16:11<retrospectacus>it owns itself and will throw you out :D
16:11<TheMagestrate>Get the bootin
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16:37<stemid>can anyone help me with rsnapshot rules so that I exclusive include only specific dirs? I've tried specifying only includes but then everything gets backed up. if I exclude * then nothing gets backed up. how do I solve this?
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16:38<stemid>I'm using wheezy
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16:44<rryoumaa>stemid: not for rsnapshot per se but i am told that http://sprunge.us/KDbD should work, but i might have had trouble getting it to work. what i do currently for a --relative setup (which rsnapshot uses) is include the includes on the command line.
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16:44<rryoumaa>as sources
16:45<stemid>yes that was what I was considering too.
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16:50<rryoumaa>careful of those trailing /
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17:41<jhutchins>!backup
17:41<dpkg>A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>.
17:41<jhutchins>!things to backup
17:41<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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17:42<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell jhutchins about message the bot
17:42<jhutchins>retrospectacus: Wanted to share with the channel given previous discussion.
17:42<jhutchins>retrospectacus: Was hoping for an example exclude mask.
17:43<retrospectacus>oh that. I see!
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17:46<flaxo>blast007: hm... the dvd-1 from stable does not work in uefi mode... it throws a "error: prefix not defined" and halts on a black screen
17:47<flaxo>what image exactly where you using when successfully installing debian wheezy on uefi hardware.?
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17:47<blast007>I was using the netinst ISO, but I'd think it would work for the DVD1 as well
17:47<flaxo>hm,... so i am missing something...
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17:48<flaxo>it is the same error no matter if i boot uefi complient mode or fallback mode...
17:49<flaxo>that is what lenovo calls "both" meaning legacy and uefi...
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17:49<blast007>are you telling it to boot to the DVD?
17:49<flaxo>so maybe my usb-key is corrupted...
17:49<flaxo>usb pen drive
17:49<flaxo>no optical device on that machine
17:50<flaxo>but yes it is the right boot device
17:50<retrospectacus>how did you create the USB device? (write DVD iso)
17:51<flaxo>dd
17:51<flaxo>as allways
17:51<retrospectacus>that should work
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17:53<flaxo>well i am making another approach tomorrow... thanks for your help... at least i know it should work...
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17:59<jhutchins>flaxo: That would be my first guess too.
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18:44<root_> here China wish you have a lucky day!!
18:44<root_>nice to see you
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20:23<awal>flaxo, for wheezy only amd64 image is able to install in uefi mode
20:24<awal>ofcourse secure boot disabled
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20:25<awal>for jessie probably i386 too
20:25<awal>https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2014/17/#UEFI
20:26<awal>http://blog.einval.com/2014/11/20#Jessie-EFI
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20:47<Anoniemal>Hello, can anyone enlighten me why I am banned (prompts me with 403 Forbidden) from https://wiki.debian.org/ ? I would really appreciate a response, thanks.
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20:53<jordanm>Anoniemal: maybe try debian-admin@lists.debian.org
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21:03<twb>Stupid question: why does apt-file search --regex ^etc/logcheck give the same results as ^/etc/logcheck ?
21:04<twb>It happens that's useful, but it makes me worry about whether it's being *too* "clever"
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21:24<rryoumaa>perhaps it runs in /
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21:27<twb>rryoumaa: I don't see how that would affect a *regexp* match
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21:36<awal>I wonder if there is any gnu/linux app I can use for check the outside temperature (I mean temperature at home) (?)
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21:38<twb>lm-sensors & arduino are the firs things that come to mind
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21:42<dvs>gkrellm?
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21:43<twb>that wraps around lm-sensors. But that's mostly for internal thermometers, so you'd have to put your computer out there.
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21:44<TeslasMHD>awal: gnome-shell-extension-weather or gkrellweather.
21:44<twb>TeslasMHD: I think he means "how hot is it on my porch" not "how hot is it at the nearest airport". Otherwise, yeah, that's definitely the easiest way.
21:45<TeslasMHD>twb: I see.
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21:46<twb>So you need a sensor on the porch, and you need to connect it to your real computer somehow
21:47<TeslasMHD>I once read a tutorial how to connect a weather station to Linux and collect sonsor data.
21:47<twb>on dealextreme you can get a USB temperature sensor for, like, $4
21:47<twb>So one way would be to just use an old laptop with that plugged in.
21:47<awal>TeslasMHD, ok. thanks I'll look to gkrellweather
21:48<TeslasMHD>awal: You're welcome. You have to start gkrellm to use that.
21:49<awal>twb, yeah an usb sensor is a way but i'll check if the gkrellmweather does the job
21:49<awal>TeslasMHD, ok :)
21:49<twb>awal: it just depends on whether you want *your* temperature, or a nearby one
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21:50<awal>twb, i want check my temperature
21:50<twb>gkrellm &c will basically go onto bom.gov.au or equivalent, and look up the nearby temperature that someone else measured
21:50<awal>my home temperature via laptop
21:51<awal>so with gkrellmweather is like going to an X website ?
21:51<awal>hmmm
21:51<twb>yea basically
21:51<TeslasMHD>awal: If you want the temerature in your room/flat you need a additional sensor.
21:51<awal>like an usb sensor?
21:51<twb>I mean it does it using an API, not onscreen
21:52<TeslasMHD>awal: A waether station with USB connection or some kind of sensor for enthusiasts.
21:53<awal>TeslasMHD, ok. i understood. thanks
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21:53<TeslasMHD>awal: The tmperature your laptop measures is inside your pc case and will be much higher than the temperature you feel next to it.
21:54<twb>Nod.
21:54<awal>i was just curious if there is an app that runs as sensor and can monitor house temperature
21:55<twb>awal: you can build one but it is not turnkey :-)
21:55<abrotman>awal: $2, go down to the pharmacy and buy a thermometer ..
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21:56<twb>butbutbut then you have to GET UP and WALK OVER to it!
21:56<awal>abrotman, more easy yeah :)
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21:57<abrotman>twb: you could carry it aroud
21:57<abrotman>awal: they do make internet-connected thermostats
21:57<twb>he wants to know how hot it is outside, though. I was assuming he is inside
21:57<twb>But meh
21:57<abrotman>twb: he said house temperature
21:58<twb>hum, ok
22:00<awal>ok guys, thats not really important. i'll go to walmart ;)
22:01<awal>my ask is stupid after all. any app running in an x machine only can check the machine hardware i think so
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22:01<twb>awal: are you in india?
22:01<awal>it must be an external device for check external things
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22:02<awal>twb, no. why?
22:02<twb>You used indian english and I was curious if walmart was operating there
22:02<dvs>twb: I wouldn't want to step outside where awal is.
22:03<awal>twb, Canada here
22:03<twb>k
22:03<awal>frozen outside
22:03<awal>hehe
22:03<abrotman>Perhaps quebecois?
22:03<awal>twb, indian english?
22:03<twb>"ask" as a noun
22:03<awal>abrotman, in the area yeah
22:03<abrotman>ask is a noun
22:03<abrotman>or rather, can be
22:04<twb>OK wikipedia says I'm wrong, so never mind
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22:04<abrotman>twb: probably your australian accent :)
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22:05<awal>:)
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22:28<anderson>boa noite
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22:38<twb>Heh. About 80% of these logcheck whitelists haven't changed in five years.
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22:54<SUMEDHE5DMS>Hello, I can't use bluetooth as when I run "hcitool scan" it says "Device is not available: No such device". How can I solve this problem? (I'm using Dell I 3542, debian wheezy).
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22:55<twb>oh I think I remember that one
22:55<twb>SUMEDHE5DMS: sudo hciconfig hci0 up
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22:56<twb>SUMEDHE5DMS: also maybe "sudo rfkill unblock bluetooth"
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23:03<SUMEDHE5DMS>"sudo hciconfig hci0 up" returns "Can't get device info: No such device"
23:04<twb>And the other?
23:04<twb>I admit I don't really know what I'm doing. bluetooth doesn't like me much, and I darkly suspect it's because every other bt user in the world just uses a GUI and some GUI thing does the secret bits.
23:04<SUMEDHE5DMS>#"sudo rfkill unblock bluetooth" returns "rfkill: command not found"
23:05<twb>For some reason when I turn my netbook on, I can only get the keyboard to work by turning it off, switching OUT of X, THEN booting the keyboard.
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23:05<twb>That only started happening after the last bluez upgrade
23:06<SUMEDHE5DMS>I can turn on bluetooth from the gnome taskbar. But in the bluetooth window does not work.
23:06<twb>SUMEDHE5DMS: what's in /sys/class/bluetooth/ ?
23:07<SUMEDHE5DMS>Empty folder
23:08<twb>Do you have bluetooth hardware?
23:08<SUMEDHE5DMS>Yes. I can use it in windows os.
23:09<twb>Is it internal? Can you see it in "lsusb -t" or "lspci -nn" or similar?
23:09<twb>Mine required a non-free driver
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23:13<SUMEDHE5DMS>twb: It doesn't shows a bluetooth device. Do I need to install drivers? (for Dell inspiron 15 3542)
23:13<twb>You should be able to see the device without a driver.
23:13<twb>e.g. mine appears as this: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0489:e056 Foxconn / Hon Hai
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23:14<twb>I don't know about dells, but you could look it up on that linuxlaptops site
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23:18<SUMEDHE5DMS>twb: Thanks. I'll try!
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