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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-01-06

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00:19<delta>hi
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00:30<delta>hi
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00:55<RahulAN>nano_, hii
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01:42<china>Holaa-??
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01:47<vrkalak>!es
01:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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02:02<china>OLAAA}
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03:04<shabanack>is it a must to configure /run/shm as noexec? because my user-mode-linux complains about it before booting
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04:10<cgdae>hello, i have a problem with jessie sometimes suspending to ram when firefox starts or is killed. is this the right place to ask about this ?
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04:12<jm_>for jessie ask in #debian-next
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04:22<cgdae>jm: thanks, will do that.
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04:26<_spOOn_>hi, wondering if someone can help me with connecting debian to a san via a brocade 815?
04:27<yopyop>Hello, i'm running wheezy with standart kernel. I have trouble with /run, pid files are disapearing when there is some load on the system. I can't point out where the problem is. Any idea how to debug ? I will run memtest on the server, but i don't know what to do next
04:27<_spOOn_>can see the firmware is installed, but am thinking I then need a driver as /sys/class/fc_host/ is currently empty
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04:27<_spOOn_>anyone had experience with debian + fc + san?
04:28<yopyop>I have, but my fc_host was never empty
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04:28<_spOOn_>yopyop: yeah, I am guessing that I need a driver as well as the firmware
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04:29<yopyop>does the module got loaded ? what is your dmesg saying about your card ?
04:29<_spOOn_># lspci|grep -i brocade
04:30<_spOOn_>04:00.0 Fibre Channel: Brocade Communications Systems, Inc. 415/815/41B/81B 4Gbps/8Gbps PCIe single port FC HBA (rev 01)
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04:30<_spOOn_>will paste in pastebin
04:30<_spOOn_>1 sec
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04:32<_spOOn_>http://pastebin.com/mXVncYGy
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04:44<knoppix_>hi
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05:21<jootor>hello pls i have done he boot repair but its still de same
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05:33<jootor>hello pls i have done he boot repair but its still de same
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05:43<_spOOn_>okies, so I've been trying to get this stupid brocade 815 FC HBA working in debian, and it seems that although its listed as having its firmware included in firmware-linux-nonfree on https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
05:43<_spOOn_>I am getting bfa 0000:21:00.0: firmware: agent aborted loading cbfw.bin (not found?)
05:43<_spOOn_>seems cbfw.bin is no longer (or was never?!) part of firmware-linux-nonfree
05:44<_spOOn_>anyone come across this before?
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05:54<jm_>check if the manufacturer has the file, see also bug #620066
05:57<_spOOn_>hi jm_ thanks, saw that bug already, but it seems brocade have moved all the linux (as I think qlogic have purhcased them)
05:57<_spOOn_>so yeah, am struggling to find it atm
05:57<_spOOn_>will keep hunting around
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06:00<_spOOn_>righto, may have found them here: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/
06:00<_spOOn_>whats the best way to get these files included in the firmware-linux-nonfree package?
06:00<_spOOn_>bug report?
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06:02<jm_>probably
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06:08<linutz> https://dpaste.de/QBdE ,how to fix this?
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06:11<babilen>linutz: Please take it to the siduction channel
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06:11<jm_>linutz: are you using jessie?
06:13<linutz>jm_, yes
06:13<linutz>babilen, ok
06:13<jm_>linutz: then better ask in #debian-next
06:13<jm_>ahh babilen is already on it
06:13<linutz>right
06:13<babilen>linutz: That is quite obviously a siduction system (and therefore neither Debian nor jessie)
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06:14<linutz>ok,sorry
06:15<linutz>i'd rather stick to debian only if it were a rolling release
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06:23<DusXMT>linutz: If you really want, the testing branch could be considered a rolling release, and unlike sid things don't fall apart as often, so it should be rather usable (not on production systems, of course)
06:25*DusXMT used to be on the testing branch for a while, and while you're supposed to report bugs while you're using it, I wasn't able to find any...
06:29<stevenm>Is there any quick way of editing a .deb packages dependencies? (e.g. if there is a mistake that needs fixing) without manually unpacking, editing, repacking?
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06:30<stevenm>e.g. some people just release .deb's without repos and neglect to update them when packages they depend on might slightly change name
06:30<stevenm>or! perhaps maybe manually tell my system that package X will satisfy any requirement for package Z ?
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06:31<jm_>!equivs
06:31<dpkg>equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
06:32<stevenm>jm_, not really what I'm looking for - frankly I could just append info to /var/lib/dpkg/status for that
06:33<stevenm>i guess I'm after a redirect of some kind - if something asks for package X then install Z
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06:33<stevenm>maybe something I can put in apt.conf
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08:32<Blues76>Hello I'm trying to install my wireless adapter. My adapter is 24:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] [8086:0085] (rev 34)
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08:33<abrotman>on which version of Debian?
08:34<Blues76>debian stable wheezy
08:34<y_>I'd definately suggest upgrading to jessie if possible
08:36<abrotman>Blues76: you'd likely need the firmware and kernel from backports, at least
08:36<abrotman>dpkg: tell Blues76 about backports wheezy
08:36<abrotman>dpkg: tell Blues76 about wheezy backports
08:37<Blues76>so, you think is better to upgrade to jessie
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08:38<y_>yeah
08:38<abrotman>"better"
08:39<y_>abrotman: better - comparative of good and well
08:39<Blues76>are you running jessie without any problems/
08:39<Blues76>?
08:40<y_>I'm running sid.
08:40<abrotman>Blues76: That's too broad a question .. We can't answer if you'll have problems, we don't know your hardware/software
08:40<abrotman>Blues76: is this a new install?
08:40<y_>Blues76: output of cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
08:40<Blues76>I'm running HP Elite-book 2560p -- you are correct. you are right, it wasn't a good question
08:40<Blues76>Yes, it is a new install
08:41<abrotman>Blues76: if you've no data to lose, might as well grab the unofficial/firmware jessie netinst and give it a test.
08:41<y_>^
08:41<y_>you could also just back it up
08:41<Blues76>THe output is long ...
08:41<Blues76>I think I'm going to give it a test..
08:42<y_>if you are into openbox crunchbang is nice too
08:42<abrotman>This is #debian, Debian has openbox
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08:44<Blues76>I'm going to give it a try. I will not be running anything critical. I'm going to be using to compile some C (and C++) code and use for of the linux systems calls to do some testing.... but all for learning some stuff... Therefore, I think I can try jessie
08:44<abrotman>you can always run wheezy/stable in a chroot/vm
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08:45<Blues76>chroot/vm?
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08:45<y_>Virtual machine.
08:45<y_>or chroot
08:45<Blues76>ok vm = virtual machine
08:45<abrotman>Yes, sorry
08:45<y_>brb
08:45<Blues76>I jus tdon't know what chroot is . I will google it
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08:46<abrotman>dpkg: tell Blues76 about chroot
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08:46<Blues76>thanks... I will install Jessie and see how it goes.
08:47<Blues76>thanks for the help.
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09:07<Zerooxx>hola amigo
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09:07<ig09474>bela3 foumak
09:07<ig09474>petite merde
09:07<ig09474>tu sert a rien
09:07<willy>?
09:08<ig09474>pas toi
09:08<ig09474>dsl
09:08<Zerooxx>tu sers*
09:08<ig09474>le chnaw la
09:08<ig09474>qui se moque d kabyles
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09:08<Zerooxx>jajaja choucroute
09:08<Zerooxx>jaja
09:08<ig09474>di mayia
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09:08<Zerooxx>ich liebe dich
09:08<ig09474>i chi li bidiche
09:08<Zerooxx>nicht
09:08<willy>whats this, spain?
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09:09<Zerooxx>du bist ein gross salada
09:09<OdyX>Please stop the random chat here, that's a support channel for Debian.
09:09<ig09474>hourenzone
09:09<Zerooxx>sry
09:09<Zerooxx>mate
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09:09<ig09474>tout le monde part :'(
09:09<ig09474>personen ne nous aimes
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09:20<cavalcabarili>hi there, having a prob with properly loading xresources with xinitrc
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09:22<cavalcabarili>i followed archwiki instructions but anytime I kill x I get the default settings
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10:39<Darkengeek>Salut a tous
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10:39<Darkengeek>j'ai un probleme
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10:40<Darkengeek>hello
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10:40<Darkengeek>i have a problem
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10:41<DusXMT>!tell Darkengeek about ask
10:42<Darkengeek>@DusXMT hello i vae problem with my kali :/
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10:46<Darkengeek>I have a problem with kali linux , when i begin to install from usb stick he ask me for DVD
10:46<Apollo>!kali
10:46<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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11:37<stevenm>Hey, for years I'm guessing people have been packaging 32-bit software in packages labelled amd64... is this true? and if so, then on a multiarch system should I just install the i386 version now?
11:37<stevenm>i'm thinking teamviewer / google earth
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12:19<blues76>I'm running Jessie. I want to install my wireless card: 24:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] [8086:0085] (rev 34)
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12:22<blues76>in Debian wiki WIFI has some instructions but I'm not sure how to install it. I think I have to use a non-free package
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12:23<musca>,pciid 8086:0085
12:23<judd>[8086:0085] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0085 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
12:23<retrospectacus>blues76: yes; install firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free
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12:24<musca>basically it needs firmware-iwlwifi from the non-free archive.
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12:25<blues76>ok. I'm going to edit the sources.list
12:26<retrospectacus>blues76: probably the wiki says exactly that. What are you having trouble with?
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12:26<blues76>well, I didn't see in the wiwki where it said I had to install iwlwifi
12:28<retrospectacus>ok. It can be hard to tell what driver you need. We use a robot here :)
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12:28<blues76>well, musca said iwlwifi
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12:29<retrospectacus>he asked the judd robot about your pciid (8086:0085) and it came back with iwlwifi.
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12:30<blues76>what do I do after I install the package iwlwifi/
12:30<blues76>?
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12:31<retrospectacus>http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi will tell you. Probably just start using your wireless
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12:31<blues76>thanks. I will logout
12:31<abrotman>blues76: the easiest is reboot, or reload the module
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12:34<PovAddict>long ago I made a service not start by default by editing the runlevels on the init.d script, how do I revert the change?
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12:35<nmschulte>PovAddict: You should use update-rc.d, I believe
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12:36<PovAddict>"When run with the defaults option, update-rc.d makes links named /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]NNname that point to the script /etc/init.d/name, using runlevel and dependency information from the init.d script LSB comment header."
12:36<PovAddict>I edited the LSB comment header
12:36<PovAddict>I want to revert the script to the version shipped in the .deb file
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13:04<jhutchins>PovAddict: You didn't save a copy of the original, did you?
13:04<PovAddict>no
13:04<jhutchins>PovAddict: What daemon?
13:05<PovAddict>isn't there some apt or dpkg switch to make it replace conffiles with the originals?
13:05<jhutchins>PovAddict: && Which release?
13:05<PovAddict>otherwise I'll just extract the .deb by hand :P
13:05<PovAddict>and pull the init script out of it
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13:06<blast007>PovAddict: might be the easiest to just do that in case you'd not want to lose other configuration file changes (if any)
13:07<valdyn>!confmiss
13:07<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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13:09<blast007>hmm, interesting information. So that might actually work out okay.
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13:13<nmschulte>valdyn: he would have to delete the conf file for that to work, correct? thus losing any other changes he may have made?
13:14<nmschulte>or is the blurb about deleted files in addition to the regular behavior of confmiss? if so, that dpkg msg is rather misleading
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13:16<jhutchins>nmschulte: If he were worried about that he could move/rename the file.
13:17<retrospectacus>the init script isn't a "conf" is it? simple reinstall should work no?
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13:18<jhutchins>retrospectacus: Good point.
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13:26<valdyn>init scripts are conffiles
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13:57<nmschult1>valdyn: indeed. that description implies (to me at least) that `confmiss` replaces _missing_ conffiles
13:58<nmschult1>hence the name... confmiss. does it also check for modified conffiles along the way?
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13:58<nmschult1>anyway, the point is moot.
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14:52<qxt>I am going to need to recompile the kernel for VFIO. My question is how do I keep up to day with security issues?
14:53<psilonux>Which one is recommended: selinux or apparmor? (or none..)
14:53<qxt>In OpenBSD I have my source tree for both the kernel userland. When there are security updates I manually patch the source and recompile.
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15:31<root_178>hi\
15:32<root_178>any py programer hea? :)
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15:33<root_178>i need a lil help
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15:35<Apollo>root_178: not really the correct place to ask
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15:36<root_178>i know but people in python ant replying
15:36<root_178>:/
15:37<root_178>i wana learn py any book suggestion
15:37<root_178>or any site
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15:39<jhutchins>!python
15:39<dpkg>Python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it. See http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide . #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net. See also <python 2.6>, <python 2.7> and <python 3>.
15:40<jhutchins>root_178: Note that two of those are on freenode, not oftc/debian.
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15:41<root_178>dpkg ty man
15:41<dpkg>wish i knew, root_178
15:41<root_178>dpkg man i wana do some serous programing
15:41<dpkg>man i wana do some serous programing is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/i/wana do some serous programing , where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>.
15:42<root_178>dpkg -i xp
15:42*dpkg removes a speen from root_178 and replaces it with xp
15:43<root_178>dpkg
15:43<root_178>are u bot xp
15:43<root_178>dpkg -i *.deb
15:43<dpkg>package *.deb is already installed
15:43<root_178>lol xp
15:44<root_178>sudo dpkg -i hacking.deb
15:44<root_178>bye
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16:11<Anonymous07>hi all who speak french µ?
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16:11<Apollo>!fr
16:11<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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16:18<samkod>I have a very unique problem. Last night everything was running fine. Today I noticed all non-https connections on all computers in my network have stopped working. They all time out. To the best of my knowledge nothing has changed. I'm thinking something may have gotten screwed up in the router or the possibly the modem, both have been rebooted though. The only thing I havent done is do a factory reset of the router. Any ideas?
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16:20<psilonux>samkod you SHOULD try to avoid all non-https connections
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16:21<psilonux>maybe outbound traffic on port 80 gets blocked
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16:22<psilonux>check your iptables on your workstation and router
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16:29<samkod>these arent linux exclusive
16:29<samkod>I'm working mainly with Windows machines
16:30<retrospectacus>try hooking something up directly to the modem (remove router) and see if it can use http
16:30<retrospectacus>if no, then call your ISP
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16:32<lars>hi
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16:32<retrospectacus>if yes, then it's your router misconfigured/broken
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16:38<maxtix>ciao
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16:46<xubuntu>hi
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17:21<PaulePanter>Hi. $ LANG=C sudo aptitude install apt-transport-https
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17:21<PaulePanter>WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
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17:22<PaulePanter>http://paste.debian.net/139471/
17:22<PaulePanter>https://packages.debian.org/sid/apt-transport-https
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17:22<PaulePanter>Any idea how that can happen?
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17:24<PaulePanter>No idea what happened, but I needed to run `sudo apt update` again.
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19:04<PovAddict>hrm
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19:05<PovAddict>nmschulte: I just extracted the boinc-client .deb and compared its init.d script to the one I have installed and they are identical
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19:05<PovAddict>so I ran update-rc.d: http://paste.debian.net/139498/
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19:42<nmschulte>PovAddict: Not sure what's going on there. I would try with 'enable' rather than 'defaults' and see what happens.
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19:44<nmschulte>PovAddict: If any files named /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update-rc.d does nothing. The program was written this way so that it will never change an existing configuration, which may have been customized by the
19:44<nmschulte>PovAddict: So I guess, delete the links and run it again, or rename them yourself.
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19:45<nmschulte>someone here knows the setup better I'm sure and can provide a better solution, or tell how to use the tools to do it rather than manuall
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20:11<PovAddict>nmschulte: deleting all links and running enable worked :)
20:11<PovAddict>I'm not sure what defaults is supposed to do
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20:12<k-man>hi
20:14<k-man>i'm setting up a raid10 install
20:14<k-man>after creating the MD device, I can't use the guided partioning to select the MD device
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20:17<k-man>on another note, suppose i'm installing now for a system that will be used for quite a while, is it worth considering starting out with jessie?
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22:22<shadow>k-man: what is "quite a while" ?
22:22<shadow>2+ years?
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23:25<k-man>yes
23:26<k-man>is jessie stable enough yet?
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23:27<lostson>works for me on a daily basis
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23:29<ki7mt>It's running well here.
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23:34<shadow>recent (past few years') changes in Ubuntu drove me to install Debian Jessie as daily use laptop desktop OS
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23:35<shadow>no major complaints, it is stable w/ btrfs on an SSD; though I think my laptop is showing its age
23:35<shadow>had to learn some new commands to get along with systemd
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23:39<shadow>ki7mt: is there some alternative to xastir? it doesn't work well with tablet pen input
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23:41<ki7mt>shadow, Pass, I dont know much, or anything at all about xastir and / or tablet pen stuff.
23:41<shadow>ok
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23:42<shadow>picked up a Fujitsu Stylistic 4121 (early early tablet PC) with transreflective LCD display, have upgraded with an SSD and more RAM
23:42<shadow>very interesting display though it's not a common bit of hardware on its own
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23:43<shadow>last bastion to using Linux on it is that tablet support is somewhere between non-existent and terrible for old hardware devices
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