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---Logopened Wed Jan 14 00:00:26 2015
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00:08<mybox1776>Hi all
00:08-!-kingsley__ [~kingsley@97-113-11-237.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #debian
00:08<mybox1776>I got a question
00:09<mybox1776>trying to setup SSH
00:09<mybox1776>what does "no route to host" mean
00:09<mybox1776>noby talking?
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00:11<twb>mybox1776: are you creating an SSH server, or SSH client?
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00:11<mybox1776>server
00:12<twb>Can you ssh to the server from itself?
00:12<mybox1776>everytime I add my new port 22*****
00:12<mybox1776>it then says no route to host
00:12<mybox1776>I do change it on the router
00:12<mybox1776>change it back in sshd config
00:12<mybox1776>22 its ok
00:13<mybox1776>if I changed config from 22 to 22**** no workey
00:13<twb>"22****" is not a valid port.
00:13<mybox1776>no router to host both internal and exxy
00:13<mybox1776>I know Im not saying what it is
00:14<mybox1776>but its a port that woudl work and is valid - but "no route to host"
00:14<mybox1776>I know thats a flat out failure
00:14<mybox1776>networking wise
00:14<twb>network ports cap at around 65536
00:14<twb>If you are using a number above that, that's probably a problem.
00:14<mybox1776>22023
00:14<twb>Have you checked the server logs yet?
00:15<mybox1776>got it set externally the longer number then forwarding to my server on 22
00:15<mybox1776>etc/ ??
00:15<mybox1776>where is the log?
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00:16<mybox1776>prolly my port forwarding is the prob
00:16<twb>mybox1776: /var/log/syslog, /var/log/auth.log
00:16<mybox1776>but another weird thing is in apache2 on centos
00:16<twb>mybox1776: you should be testing by SSHing from the host to itself, first. That will determine whether the problem is SSH, or networking.
00:17<mybox1776>you mean like from the box to the localhost on xyz port?
00:17<twb>yes.
00:17<mybox1776>I did that same thing
00:17<themill>the port is irrelevant to "no route to host"
00:17<mybox1776>no route to host
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00:18<mybox1776>I was told #22 needs to stay
00:18<twb>That's wrong.
00:18<mybox1776>even to commented out, I was told that is default and 22 woujld work... then do I add other port replacing #22 to #xxxxxx
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00:19<mybox1776>I just want to not be default p22
00:19<twb>Leaving it as exactly 22 may make ISP QoS work better. Changing it will reduce brute-force attacks. Setting it to a reserved port (e.g. 443) will result in differently confusing brute-force attacks.
00:20<mybox1776>Thats my goal - brute force denial - or, reduction in
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00:24<mybox1776>thx twb
00:25<mybox1776>side question... you responded to me and it turned red - how did you do that so I can respectfully respond directly
00:25<mybox1776>(n00b)
00:25<twb>mybox1776: start your message with "twb: "
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00:26<mybox1776>"twb: " ?
00:26<mybox1776>whats CTCP
00:26<mybox1776>client client
00:26<mybox1776>got it
00:27<twb>No ""'s
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00:30<mybox1776>does anyone know the switch to find out what kern Im on? uname -v ?
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00:31<mybox1776>-v doesnt say much
00:31<twb>I just use -a
00:31<twb>Hint: man uname
00:32<mybox1776>3.13 latest?
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00:32<twb>It depends
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00:32<mybox1776>I know there are betas out there (ok thats an MS term ha)
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00:34<twb>Debian 7 ships 3.2, and has 3.16 in backports. Upstream is up to 3.18 or .19 I think.
00:35<twb>Unless you have a good reason not to, you should run the kernel Debian provides.
00:35<twb>"more new = more shiniez" is not a good reason
00:35<mybox1776>Good points.
00:37<mybox1776>Just want it hardened
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00:37<mybox1776>from a sever perspective - my client wants to only run centOS 6.
00:38<mybox1776>Im sorry 5
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00:38<twb>This is #debian; we do not support CentOS.
00:38<twb>Try #centos on irc.freenode.net
00:38<mybox1776>Woops, I get that I guess I was just thinking about the kernal
00:38<mybox1776>el*]
00:39<mybox1776>just blabbing
00:39<twb>CentOS 5 will end-of-life on 31 Mar 2017. If you're going to target CentOS, you should probably target 6
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00:40<mybox1776>90% is Deb
00:41<mybox1776>I hear 7 is diff and changed a lot... - but thats for another chat
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00:44<mybox1776>My infosec asked me to research hardening
00:45<mybox1776>on Deb (which is we are running)
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00:45<mybox1776>is there a standard like RHEL
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01:23<twb>Argh. I think if I have a LUKS device present when I boot debian live, *and* debian live SOE was built without LUKS support... I can't boot.
01:23<twb>It just sits there doing "modprobe luks: what's a luks?" over and over
01:23<twb>This is the opposite of clever
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03:34<himanshu>Hello all
03:35<himanshu>Can we define a USB headset as a default device in Debian wheezy
03:35<jm_>default audio device?
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03:35<twb>jm_: he probably means alsa card 0 or so
03:35<jm_>twb: yeah
03:35<jm_>!default sound card
03:35<dpkg>Use the /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc configuration files to set your default sound card. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards for more information.
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03:36<jm_>I solve this by giving usb headset index 0 -- http://paste.debian.net/140594/
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03:47<babilen>.. one might also simply configure it in pavucontrol for PA
03:47<jm_>yeah if one is using PA :)
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03:50<babilen>Which is fairly standard in any supported Debian version (hence my comment)
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03:53<jm_>added to the factoid (that one goes through 3 hops to reach the actual factoid heh)
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04:04<twb>!crda
04:04<dpkg>Central Regulatory Domain Agent (CRDA) is a <udev> helper to query/set the regulatory domain for wireless devices, packaged since Debian 7 "Wheezy". Some wireless LAN devices (e.g. Atheros) default to a strict world regulatory domain if CRDA is not present, preventing the use of channels 12 and 13. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/#CRDA
04:04<twb>Ah so basically only europe needs it
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04:07<KingOfDos>no, each ITU region has it's own rules
04:08<KingOfDos>'if' a country is member of the ITU, otherwise, it could go from 'use any freq' till 'your not allowed to setup radio connections'
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04:09<maxb>If you look at the stuff that is visible in dmesg when CRDA acts, you can see that the info there is a bit more nuanced than just available channel ranges
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04:09<KingOfDos>i'm within ITU-region 1. normal people are not allowed to transmit harder than 200mW or whatever dBm
04:10<KingOfDos>as radio hobbyist, i'm allowed to use a lot more power
04:10<KingOfDos>normal people are not allowed to use channel 13/14, I am
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04:11<KingOfDos>so 'need' is relative. it just depends the region you're living :-)
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04:18<jm_>are you the person who asked about debian & ANSI on console? I remember it was some *King* feller
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04:34<himanshu>thanks jm_
04:34<himanshu>thanks all
04:34<himanshu>will try that
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05:21<ncomputing>hello
05:22<ncomputing>how to add firmware for wifi in debian
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05:34<supaplex_>!firmware
05:34<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
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05:56<alex>Can anyone point me at docs that explain how to bar certain versions from a depends spec?
05:57<alex>I've tried (!= 6.04, != 6.05) and (<< 6.04 | >> 6.05), both give errors.
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06:05<jm_>alex: you mean Conflicts or what?
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06:06<alex>I mean I have a dependency on another package, but two versions are known bad.
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06:06<jm_>to me that sounds like conflicts should be used
06:07<alex>So you can depend on a package and conflict on specific versions of that package?
06:07<mitt>Hi, is there an application that works like polkit but doesn't use systemd as dependency? thanks
06:07<mitt>with gui
06:09<jm_>as far as I know yes
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06:10<mitt>jm_: maybe you know the name?
06:10<jm_>mitt: sorry, the reply was not for you
06:11<mitt>ok
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06:12<mitt>I mean, look, policykit, network-manager and network-manager-gnome all require systemd, if wicd can be an alternative to nm, probably there is something like polkit
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06:17<petn-randall>alex: Yes, you can do that.
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07:32<stemid_>a question about linux policy routing in wheezy. I have a situation where one two legged server sends a DNS request out on eth1 in subnet1, and it is received by another wheezy DNS on its eth1 but the DNS server sends the response on its default route through eth0. now I would assume to fix this I only need a static route on the DNS that sends subnet1 through eth1 so the DNS replies will go back through et
07:33<stemid_>h1. right?
07:33<stemid_>I'm just trying to establish that I do not need policy routing for this.
07:33<stemid_>but merely a static route
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07:41<moinmoin>HELP SENDPASS
07:41<moinmoin>HELP
07:42<moinmoin>HELP SENDPASS
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08:03<Guest1913>hello @all
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08:05<Guest1913>Has somebody heard about the hibernate/suspend problem after the last update?
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08:05<jm_>Guest1913: check the topic
08:06<Guest1913>haha thx...
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08:11<Guest1913>any idea what the difference between linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64_3.2.65-1+deb7u1~test_amd64.deb and linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64_3.2.65-1+deb7u1~test_amd64.deb ?
08:11<jm_>rt should stand for real-time
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08:12<Guest1913>so I stick with the first one then..
08:12<Guest1913>thanks!
08:12<jm_>you can inspect kernel config files from both (it's in /boot), and description mentions PREEMPT_RT
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08:14<Guest1913>ok thanks, so I will have a look before =) I still miss a readme in the blogpost.. there are 20 .deb packages...
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08:33<letshelp>is there any tricks to get oidentd to work on jessie ?
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08:38<faew>dpkg -s make | grep "^Priority:" => Priority: standard, but apt-cache show make | grep "^Priority:" => Priority: optional. Why ?
08:38<dpkg>You Fool! make | grep "^Priority:" => Priority: standard, but apt-cache show make | grep "^Priority:" => Priority: optional. Why is installed!
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08:41<themill>faew: one is from the package, the other is from the Packages file. They are supposed to be the same but they are not always.
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08:50<faew>themill: ok, thanks. I'm beginning to understand that it can be related to "override" files (e.g.: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/indices/override.jessie.main.gz)
08:50<themill>yes
08:50<themill>compare with http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/users/srivasta/debian/make-dfsg.git/tree/debian/control
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09:17<cubie>hello i am new to linux debain and have 2 problems the first are how can i wirte to my sdcard ? and the secound one how can i add a .sh file with root permissions to get my bluetooth working on system startup ?
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09:20<blast007>NormanH91: does the SD card show up in your file manager?
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09:22<NormanH91>yes as /media/SDDaten
09:22<blast007>and you can see the contents of the card? what happens when you try to write to it?
09:22<NormanH91>and in there are only lost.found
09:23<NormanH91>permission deny
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09:23<NormanH91>with chmod 777 it worked but it this safe to use ?
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09:25<blast007>what file system do you have on the card?
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09:27<NormanH91>ext4 formated with gparted
09:27<NormanH91>as primary
09:28<faew>themill: OK, got it working; thank you for your support
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09:28<blast007>you could change the owner to your own user via chown and then you would not need it to be world writable
09:29<NormanH91>user are root from sdcard
09:29<NormanH91>but my user are cubie because i use the cubietruck
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09:42<NormanH91>ok thanks worked :)
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10:52<hikenboot>Hi I have progressed greatly , have a question though, I want to use jessie for my build but would like to use all sources that are free...is here a apt/sources.list that I would be best to use?
10:54<petn-randall>hikenboot: Just make sure you don't have contrib or non-free in your sources.list.
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10:54<petn-randall>hikenboot: That's the default unless you explicitely asked for it.
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10:55<hikenboot>i have ftp.debian.org/debina/ jessie main and deb-src...main but there seems to be a lot more either non-free packages or i should be using other sources
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10:56<hikenboot>I guess maybe I didnt realize how much was non free
10:57<hikenboot>is that a fair assessment or should i add other sources?
10:58-!-mode/#debian [+l 700] by debhelper
10:58<petn-randall>hikenboot: Again, if you don't have 'contrib' or 'non-free' in your sources.list, you're fine.
10:58<hikenboot>ok then I will search for other sources I can use...thanks
10:58<peter1138>hikenboot, so, er, what's the issue with just main?
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10:59<petn-randall>hikenboot: What are you missing from contrib/non-free? We can help you with libre replacements.
10:59<hikenboot>I am trying to install about 50 packages, but apparently non of them are in main
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10:59<hikenboot>ok hold on and thanks
11:00<petn-randall>hikenboot: You can also install 'vrms', which will offer you replacements to install.
11:00<hikenboot>is there a particular pastebin you use?
11:00<petn-randall>hikenboot: http://paste.debian.net
11:01<hikenboot>http://paste.debian.net/140646/
11:02<petn-randall>hikenboot: What command produced that output?
11:02<ixi>ftp.debian.org/debina/
11:02<ixi>^ I see a typo in your sources hikenboot
11:02<ixi>do you?
11:02<hikenboot>oh sorry maybe thats the problem
11:03<hikenboot>no that was just me typing improperly
11:03<hikenboot>not in original ...hold on
11:04<hikenboot>http://paste.debian.net/140647/
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11:06<peter1138>dselect... blast from the past that is.
11:07<ixi>hikenboot please pastebin full output of 'apt-cache policy w3m'
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11:11<hikenboot>http://paste.debian.net/140648/
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11:27<petn-randall>hikenboot: Eh, what are you trying to do? dpkg --set-selections won't work if you're coming from a different release/distro.
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11:35<ntcbow>is anybody here creating iceweasel/firefox plugins (.xpi files) with cfx/jpm in jessie? testing plugins with cfx run and jpm run works fine, but imported xpi files mostly don't work for me.
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11:39<hikenboot>oh i am coming from a different release...can i do something differently
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11:45<retrospectacus>use "apt-get install ..." read your list and put the package names you actually recognize that you want. Most of these are libraries and utilities and a lot of them won't have available versions in jessie
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11:47<hikenboot>ok thanks, I was hoping there was a less manual process, there is a lot of packages to find alternatives for
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11:47<hikenboot>oh your saying most of those are dependancy libaries so the alternatives will be installed automatically?
11:47<retrospectacus>yes
11:48<hikenboot>ah ok thanks that makes sense
11:48<retrospectacus>it would not be great to install them manually anyways
11:48<retrospectacus>"marked automatically installed" is a good thing
11:48<hikenboot>would i be better compiling from source or will i get the same result
11:49<retrospectacus>same as what?
11:49<hikenboot>same result . I always wondered what advantage compiling from source has if you are selecting the default options...probably nothing am i correct
11:49<retrospectacus>yes. nothing
11:49<hikenboot>ok thanks
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11:52<dejour>I am new to Debian. Is there a Debian equivalent to Redhat's kickstart install system?
11:52<dondelelcaro>dejour: yes
11:52<dondelelcaro>dejour: it's called preseeding
11:53<retrospectacus>there is a project called fai that does that too
11:54<retrospectacus>debian-installer initrd can also load a kickstart file
11:56<dejour>thank you all... I have some googling to do now. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction
11:57<retrospectacus>dejour: the factoid robot here can tell you lots too: /msg dpkg preseed
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11:58<hikenboot>sorry for the redundancy but someone suggested a package that is used to find alternative packages...(my scroll back lines were set too low..) can someone tell me once more
11:59<petn-randall>hikenboot: 'vrms' - virtual Richard M. Stallman :)
11:59<hikenboot>thanks petn-randall , thanks everyone else, I appreciate the time
12:01<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: cool; I didn't know that the initrd could do that
12:01<dondelelcaro>always good to learn something new
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12:01<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: well I have not tried it but the robot says it can :)
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12:03<retrospectacus>hikenboot: the vrms package is silly and unmaintained... and I don't think it will help you.
12:03<hikenboot>oh ok thanks
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12:04<retrospectacus>it scans your system for contrib/non-free packages. You can do this with "aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'"
12:05<retrospectacus>it sounds like you are in the planning phase and definitely haven't installed any yet
12:05<hikenboot>well since i dont want non-free I guess it is definitely useless, thanks for the pointer
12:06<hikenboot>yes, no non-free is the goal
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12:06<retrospectacus>well, simply don't put that word in sources.list as others have mentioned
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12:06<hikenboot>right, i just didnt know thats what it did exactly
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12:09<retrospectacus>hikenboot: your pasted package list has several non-free firmware packages - if you insist on not using them your hardware may not work
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12:10<retrospectacus>maybe you are on new hardware now
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12:12<hikenboot>is there alternatives I can use, trying to make this as generic as possible...alternatively i could provide a script that would allow them to install these packages if necessary
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12:13<hikenboot>I assume non-free means I have to pay for the use of the packages?
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12:13<retrospectacus>no.
12:14<petn-randall>!tell hikenboot -about non-free
12:14<jemadux>i want to play urban terror , how to do that ? under desura or urban terror official ?
12:14<retrospectacus>!tell hikenboot about free
12:14<petn-randall>jemadux: IIRC, UrT ran without problems from their linux installer.
12:15<retrospectacus>hikenboot: read up on software freedom. It has nothing to do with money.
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12:16<jemadux>petn-randall: as root or as user ?
12:17<retrospectacus>hikenboot: I am not too sure what you are really trying to do. I thought you were just installing Jessie and setting it up
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12:18<hikenboot>building a live cd...not sure I am going about it the right way but I am trying to duplicate a live cd that I want to add packages to that will increase its capabilities giving it a whole new dimension in capability
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12:19<hikenboot>I think people will want it and was going to give it away for "free"
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12:19<retrospectacus>hikenboot: you will definitely need non-free software if you want it to work on a variety of hardware
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12:20<retrospectacus>hikenboot: again, non-free does not mean it costs money
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12:20<hikenboot>ok, I assume each piece has different terms of use?
12:20<retrospectacus>some do. They are non-free for various reasons
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12:20<hikenboot>how do i find out what the terms of use are?
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12:24<retrospectacus>hikenboot: possibly http://packages.debian.org/jessie/<packagename> - they will not have redistribution restrictions if that's what you're worried about
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12:28<retrospectacus>hikenboot: have you looked at debian-live? It makes it simple to make your own liveCD. I made a wicked live usb to take on holiday and commandeer any computer I found haha
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12:54<hikenboot>that requires some talent...this is a more..admin useful capability that I am working on
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14:35<jhutchins>!custom iso
14:36<jhutchins>hikenboot: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD
14:36<jhutchins>!blend
14:36<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.debian.org/ #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net.
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15:30<rmorelli>hi guys, is there anybody out there which was banned from debian mailing lists?
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15:42<ask>hi, how do I list the packages included by a meta-package?
15:42<ask>I want to look to see what packages are installed by "build-essential"
15:42<retrospectacus>ask: apt-cache show build-essential
15:42<ask>thanks.
15:42<retrospectacus>then look at the Depends line
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15:43<ask>Depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.4.3), g++ (>= 4:4.4.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5)
15:43<ask>seems small.
15:43<ask>is that all it is?
15:43<ask>I thought it would be more than that.
15:43<retrospectacus>sorry to disappoint
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15:44<ask>not a problem. means less disk space consumed here.
15:44<retrospectacus>enjoy :)
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15:45<ask>I'm going through a whole host of packages that I need to distribute sources for
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15:45<ask>"apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep" are wonderful tools.
15:45<rmorelli>rephrase: anybody knows why listmaster does not reply to my mail?
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15:47<jhutchins>ask: I think you'll find that the other packages have dependencies and it ends up installing most of kitchensink.deb.
15:47<ask>Yes.
15:48<ask>I'm dealing with crazy requirements.
15:48<ask>GPLv2 has this thing where someone can write you a letter asking for sources to be shipped to them.
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15:48<ask>It's 0.01% likely that this would ever happen, but I'm supposed to prepare for it.
15:48<jhutchins>ask: The thing about build-essential is that once you've installed you're pretty well covered for any build you might try.
15:49<ask>not just build-essential
15:49<ask>those packages: http://paste.debian.net/140679/
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15:50<ask>How big is the entire source (for all packages together) of a typical debian based distro?
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15:50<ask>I could go nuclear and just download that (for Trisquel distribution, in my case).
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15:52<retrospectacus>this thing installs build-essential like 10 times
15:53<ask># Duplications are intentional. Please do not re-factor.
15:53<ask>#
15:53<ask># This is so that they can moved to separate scripts.
15:53<ask>#
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15:56<hikenboot>thanks jhutchins i will look that over
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16:21<hikenboot>if i am building a live cd should i install all locals?
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16:27<hikenboot>local you know language files I think
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16:36<hikenboot>it is installing local purge application and wants to know if i want to keep any from a list
16:36<hikenboot>I would assume I would be keeping them all..the original cd asks which language before it boots
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17:51<keep>oi
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18:03<_4_non>hi. could you tell me a good flash editor open source for debian?
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18:24<awal>I understand why x program is no open source (usually people want make money), but I no understand why x firmware/module is non-free too, like the ones included in iwlwifi. Its a money stuff related too or something more?
18:25<ixi>sometimes they don't want competitors to know the insides of hardware
18:26<awal>ok
18:26<ixi>sometimes it's how they bullshit customers (marketing) - exact same hardware chip but X cores programmatically locked and sold cheaper, while fully unlocked chip sold more expensivly
18:26<ixi>sometimes there are legal restrictions (I am not a lawyer but I've heard there are some concerning mobile modems / DSPs)
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18:28<awal>ok, got it
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18:52<srbaker>heya folks
18:53<srbaker>i just installed on my macbook pro, and i need to swap alt and command keys. but i can't find good documentation on how to do this
18:53<srbaker>can someone please help?
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19:04<srbaker>i think i figured it out with xmodmap.
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19:09<awal>srbaker, i was going to suggest that utility include in xkeycaps pack i think. look at pommed and xkbset packs too; they may be useful for your mac machine
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21:19<kveroneau>So... I hear Debian is being g
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23:45<Guest1987>hi
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23:47<Guest1987>hi alvarez
23:47<centrx>!hi
23:47<dpkg>hello, centrx
23:48<Guest1987>is there anyone worked with delphi?
23:48<pillo>eapñol
23:48<centrx>Object Pascal?
23:49<Guest1987>yes, I want to connect it to android device
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23:50<centrx>Guest1987, I would recommend asking on ##delphi, #pascal, or #android on Freenode (irc.freenode.net)
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23:50<Guest1987>thanx
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