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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-01-17

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01:18<AndyJ>after following instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary I have *no* 3D working at all, the only clue I can find is this line in xorg.0.log (EE) AIGLX error: failed to load OpenGL driver
01:18<AndyJ>I've poured over dmesg and can't see anything that looks like an error.
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01:19<AndyJ>This is for an AMD Radeon HD6950 ...
01:20<AndyJ>In DESPERATION I've even tried AMD's proprietary installer, but that resulted in a system that wouldn't boot.
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01:23<AndyJ>Can anyone suggest anything else I should try?
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04:46<Oebele>I don't have any menus in icedove running jessie... The drop-down menu in the top pane only has a quit button.
04:46<Oebele>is this a known problem?
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04:55<psilonux>Is it possible to test write speeds with dd of the individual disks from my software raid5 array, without messing up my data? My write speeds suddenly went down to 10 MB/s and smartctl isnt showing anything suspicious..
04:55<valdyn>psilonux: just write to a file
04:56<psilonux>You mean like this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdf1 bs=1G count=1 oflag=dsync ?
04:56<Oebele>oh, I managed to get a menu bar :D
04:56<valdyn>psilonux: 1G is not necessary
04:56<valdyn>psilonux: dsync is wrong
04:56<valdyn>psilonux: dd is probably not a convenient tool for this
04:57<valdyn>psilonux: ddrescue is nicer
04:57<valdyn>psilonux: or just cat | pv > file
04:57<valdyn>psilonux: or just "cat /dev/zero | pv > file"
04:57<psilonux>okay, ill try ddrescue, but do I need to stop the array first? I'm just scares to mess up my data..
04:58<valdyn>psilonux: sorry, i missed that you use raid5
04:58<valdyn>psilonux: theres no good way to write to individual disks without breaking this raid
04:58<psilonux>k, that is what I feared
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04:59<psilonux>just one by one ommting them from the array and do speed tests on the MD device?
04:59<psilonux>would that be a good approach?
04:59<valdyn>psilonux: you can remove a disk and add it back later, but that naturally degrades the raid...
05:00<valdyn>psilonux: and the resync will probably take hours each time
05:00<valdyn>psilonux: why dont you check if the slowdown is not really caused by a running resync ?
05:01<psilonux>cat /proc/mdstat should reveal that, no?
05:01<valdyn>psilonux: it would reveal that
05:01<valdyn>psilonux: raid5 is bad with concurrent writes, maybe that is happening
05:01<psilonux>everything is reported fine there
05:02<valdyn>psilonux: see "iotop"
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05:04<psilonux>i did check iotop, but I dont know how from which devices the data is coming from. My OS runs on a seperate disk from the array. There's not a lot of activity in iotop..
05:05<psilonux>when writing data to the array, its usually big chunks of data
05:06<psilonux>It's mainly used as central storage
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05:09<psilonux>valdyn: ty for you tips, I'll dig a little further
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05:36<psilonux>valdyn: I tried your "cat /dev/zero | pv > file" command and the write speed only starts slowing down from around 2GB of data transfer, this also happens with dd command with data chunks bigger the 2GB, smaller chunks give speeds above 100MB/s.. Is this because of the hdd's cache?
05:37<valdyn>psilonux: caches, yes
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05:38<valdyn>psilonux: quick test here: 2GiB/sec at the beginning goes down to 110Mib/sec
05:38<valdyn>psilonux: and thats about raw disk speed
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05:38<cinch>caches
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05:38<psilonux>thats a factor 10 from what I have :)
05:39<cinch>your hard ware devices are lying ;p
05:39<valdyn>psilonux: this is caches, but which and how the caches are used depends on various things
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05:39<valdyn>psilonux: ls
05:39<cinch>in direct mode you can get the native speed
05:39<cinch>without a driver
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05:40<valdyn>cinch: yea, but we dont really needs this
05:40<cinch>pure assembly
05:40<psilonux>cinch: How do I do that?
05:40<valdyn>cinch: you can use O_DIRECT with various tools however
05:40<cinch>psilonux, assembly.. there are some programs, for example: spinright can do that
05:40<valdyn>cinch: its *not* always more realistic to use O_DIRECT
05:41<cinch>https://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm
05:41<psilonux>thx
05:41<cinch>np
05:41<valdyn>psilonux: on certain configurations O_DIRECT will be *faster* than cached access (of course after caches are full, not before)
05:41<valdyn>psilonux: and that difference can be significant
05:41<Guest2219>hi
05:41<psilonux>okay, so I better use very big chinks of data then
05:42<psilonux>chunks*
05:42<psilonux>to fill up the cache first
05:42<valdyn>psilonux: write caches are small enough that you will see realistic data after few seconds
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05:44<valdyn>psilonux: I think you should reset your debugging to the beginning and check and things about a few things: When did this issue start? Are blocks aligned to physical disk blocks etc
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05:48<psilonux>I did check disk alignement of each disk with parted, the disk are WD greens, with advanced formatting which falsly report 512 sector size instead of 4k.. the array is up for more then 3 years now. Last two months I didnt really check the server so I could be going on for a while now..
05:51<psilonux>The last change I implemented on the array was activating the internal bitmap
05:51<psilonux>valdyn: Im going to try scrubbing now..
05:53<psilonux>these WD greens are real bastards..
05:54<psilonux>but they forced me to learn a lot more about hdd's :)
05:55<psilonux>I even upgraded the fw of these drives to reduce the head parking
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05:57<psilonux>it is the massive load_cycle count that is the culprit of these disks
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06:08<valdyn>psilonux: this is my raid5 : 10.6MiB/s
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06:08<valdyn>psilonux: near full btrfs on md raid with bitmaps
06:08<valdyn>psilonux: i know that the disks are fine
06:09<valdyn>psilonux: oh well, now its up to 150MiB
06:09<psilonux>so 10 MB/s sis fin?
06:09<psilonux>is fine*
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06:09<instigator>Hello. When using iptables, would you need to set the INPUT policy to ACCEPT, in order to access websites such as google, facebook etc
06:09<valdyn>psilonux: not at all, but file systems like zfs or btrfs behave very badly when near full and/or fragmented ( which they do easily)
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06:10<psilonux>im using xfs
06:10<psilonux>so maybe I should look into my filesystem
06:11<valdyn>psilonux: maybe, xfs is nothing like the 2 i mentioned
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06:11<valdyn>psilonux: your bitmap does cause a slowdown, but i dont know by how much
06:12<psilonux>Ill try disabling it, and do some tests again
06:12<valdyn>Psi-Jack: btrfs is even worse than pv said because the disks keep working after the write is long done
06:13<valdyn>oops
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06:14<psilonux>valdyn: Is bonnie++ a good tool?
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06:54<valdyn>psilonux: good for what?
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06:56<valdyn>psilonux: dd measures raw throughtput, some other tool "seeker.c" (google that) you can use for access times. Thats useful to test a disk. Bonnie just combines these metrics in various way. Not useful for debugging.
06:57<valdyn>psilonux: if you have a real demand, like a database you need to run, then the best measure is obviously just running the database. The 2nd best is something like bonnie.
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06:59<psilonux>I meant good for test disk failure/performance. I'll look into seeker
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07:35<psilonux>valdyn: thx for all the support! I just found the faulty disk, I did some hdparm read tests and picked the one with the lowest avarage. Then set that disk faulty and removed it from the array. I am now left with a degraded array, but "cat /dev/zero | pv > test.img" to /dev/md0 hoovers around 100 MB/s after doing +10GB transfer! These WD Green are good at hiding their low performance..
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07:37<psilonux>valdyn: I am now going to add a fresh WD red for rebuilding and another one as spare, because I guess I will encounter similar issues in the near future..
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09:17<softinio>I am using vim on our debian server for some reason on there when I try to edit anyfiles scrolling down seems to create a newline with the letter A in it. Any idea why ?
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09:18<DusXMT>softinio: Scrolling with a mouse?
09:19<DusXMT>Try CTRL-D and CTRL-U
09:21<softinio>not mouse arrows on keyboard
09:21<softinio>using mac ssh into debian server
09:21<DusXMT>softinio: When you're in insert mode?
09:21<DusXMT>Or in command mode?
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09:22<DusXMT>btw, there are always the hjkl keys, which work always w/o problems
09:23<softinio>arrow keys kind of put me in insert mode and then second press types an A on a new line
09:23<softinio>in command mode to start
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09:23<DusXMT>Then you could try the hjkl keys, h is left and l is right, j is down and k is up
09:24<softinio>yes that works I am familiar with them just find arrows more convenient
09:24<DusXMT>There might be some sort of terminal incompatibility
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09:28<softinio>sounds like it
09:31<blast007>softinio: install the 'vim' package which will take over instead of vim-tiny
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09:34<softinio>blast007: already have
09:35<abrotman>are you using it?
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09:35<abrotman>softinio: echo $TERM
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09:37<softinio>abrotman: I get xterm-256color
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09:38<blast007>does 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim' point to /usr/bin/vim.basic ?
09:39<softinio>yes /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.basic
09:39<blast007>k
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09:50<softinio>one thing I am doing different is I use zsh
09:50<softinio>instead of bash
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09:51<ixi>softinio what keyboard do you have
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10:00<softinio>I use a macbook pro
10:01<softinio>ssh into debian server
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10:44<kbi>ciao
10:45<kbi>qualcuno parla italiano?
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10:46<devil>!it
10:46<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:46<kbi>grazie
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12:12<akruz>hello,i am using debian jessie with gnome, my doubt is about this new version of gnome...
12:12<akruz>the apps don't have categories anymore?
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12:31<mtn>akruz: you can find much info about gnome3 online. wikipedia and their own website
12:32<mtn>akruz: you can add features by using gnome extensions, as well
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12:44<akruz>mnn, ty
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13:05<akruz>there is an app to search and install extensions, or i have to use the website and synaptic?
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13:10<mtn>akruz: either the website or a lot of them are in synaptic
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13:16<akruz>mtn, ty again... Installing then now :)
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14:29<canaima>hola
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15:17<Guest2271>czesc
15:17<Guest2271>test
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15:18<supaplex>fail
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15:18<supaplex>;)
15:18<supaplex>woah, jessie is frozen? \o/
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15:23<devil>supaplex: what is jessie?
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15:26<Guest2273>HELP, I am on a humanitarian missiom in Pakistan with very limited internet
15:27<Guest2273>why do I get following warning when updating iceweasel?
15:27<Guest2273>WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
15:27<Guest2273>never experienced this in EU
15:28<Guest2273>there is possibility our limited network with wep key is surveilled
15:28<Guest2273>please help
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15:29<mtn>Guest2273: did you try changing mirrors?
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15:29<Guest2273>in sources.list?
15:29<mauriss>hola
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15:29<mtn>Guest2273: yes, or synaptic
15:30<mauriss>como instalo windows 7 en mi canaima
15:30<devil>!it
15:30<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:30<devil>or in EN
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15:31<Guest2273>iceweasel from backports is using deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
15:31<mauriss>hello
15:31<mtn>Guest2273: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
15:31<mgv>Guest2273: did you run an apt-get update recently?
15:32<mauriss>as I install windows 7 on my canaima
15:32<Guest2273>mgv, of course, i always run this before apt-get upgrade
15:33<Guest2273>mtn, do you have such list for backports? the normal wheezy packages do not have this issue
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15:33<mgv>Guest2273: all mirrors should have wheezy-backports too
15:34<Guest2273>i think the http.debian.net is referring me to malicious repo
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15:34<mgv>try the same mirror you use for normal wheezy packages
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15:36<Guest2273>well thats the issue, when i use ftp.CI with country id it cannot resolve
15:37<mgv>not all countries have mirrors, pakistan doesn't for example
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15:37<Guest2273>how can i see to where http://http.debian.net/debian is connecting me?
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15:38<mgv>go to http://http.debian.net/demo.html and it will tell you
15:38<Guest2273>the http is causing the issue, I am sure
15:38<Guest2273>the normal repos with ftp.be are slow but work correctly without authentication
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15:38<Guest2273>everything is surveilled over here
15:39<Guest2273>i wont skip the authentication error this time
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15:40<supaplex>devil: /query dpkg jessie
15:40<Guest2273>i have to go now, if someone is able to help, please send me email on esp at riseup
15:41<Guest2273>any help highly appreciated
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15:41<supaplex>Guest3149: in http://paste.debian.net show me apt-cache policy iceweasel
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15:42<supaplex>after you're done pasting, provide just the link here.
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16:10<supaplex>how long will wheezy be supported for?
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16:13<devil>supaplex: depends on if it gets LTS
16:14<devil>I think there is no decision on that yet
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16:18<jhutchins>Kinda depends on people coming forward to maintain it.
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16:22<awal>supaplex, discarding LTS, you still have like 2 years; at least 1 year more after new stable release (next stable is Jessie)
16:23<awal>so depends when jessie release happens
16:24<devil>RC bug count: 167
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16:52<supaplex>alrighty. I think I can upgrade in the next year. :) 90 new tickets in the last four days all belong to me. my life is nuts.
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16:55<awal>supaplex, the wise way, for me, is upgrade to next stable 3 or 6 moths after that new stable is released.
16:56<awal>probably a fresh new install of the new stable is better if the machine is only for home use
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17:03<Brigo>awal, but you will lost all the fun! :D
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17:08<awal>Brigo, maybe yeah
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17:23<samkod>Hello, I'm wondering if its possible to make a chroot of ubuntu 8.04 with x11 on my debian wheezy install?
17:24<samkod>I have an older application that uses older libraries confirmed working on ubuntu 8.04
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17:37<Brigo>samkod, it is possible with kernel from backports and lxc
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17:37<Brigo>samkod, the X11 is the hard part. You can find some clues sin google.
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18:46<safinaskar>hi. there is bash 4.3-11+b1 on jessie mirrors
18:46<safinaskar>what means this +b1?
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18:48<ixi>safinaskar +b means binary non-maintainer upload
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18:49<safinaskar>ixi: this means this is binary only upload, without sources, right?
18:49<ixi>safinaskar https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#binary-only-nmu
18:49<safinaskar>ixi: thanks
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18:55<awal>Having all applications that can access the web configured well regarding privacy, cache..., the use off apps like bleachbit, sweeper...is really useful and helps to make the system more "clean and safe"?
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18:56<awal>I dont think so, but I use them anyway :)
18:56<awal>doubting...
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18:58<CHVNX>Well, they can help protect privacy by deleting and shredding files. Any file could be used to compromise your system.
18:58<CHVNX>Less files = less chance of having a file compromise your system
19:02<awal>CHVNX, right. at least they facilitate the job and avoid user from cleaning/removing manually file by file
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19:12<akruz>hello, how can i rename the workspaces in gnome 3?
19:12<akruz>in a way that i can see the workspace i an changing the window to
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19:24<awal>akruz: my suggestion is: try installing/enabling the related extension in gnome-tweak-tool pack then check if something can be done there; alt+f2+r may be required for load that extension.
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20:18<evilolive>Up until now I have been compiling VFIO support into the kernel for VM PCIe passthough. Will CONFIG_VFIO_PCI_VGA be set to "y" in Jessie?
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20:21<evilolive>If you got jessie on your system can you tell me what you see doing cat /boot/config-3.16* |grep VFIO_PCI_VGA
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20:34<sney>evilolive: it's y for me on sid
20:35*evilolive does happy dance. Thx sney
20:36<sney>np. it may well be y in wheezy-backports kernels as well
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20:40<evilolive>That would have made my life a whole lot easer @.@ Been doing this for over a year now.
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21:04<squiggle>sup
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21:44<racc>hello
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23:48<krc>Hello
23:49<krc>I am having a lot of trouble with a crash on Testing
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23:50<krc>I have tried standard log files, tried to get kdump and nmi watchdog to work and tried netconsole
23:50<krc>but all I have managed to get is " kernel: [349212.038307] chromium[29694]: segfault at 1f8 ip 00007f3e19641def sp 00007fff0dc94540 error 4 in i965_dri.so[7f3e192ec000+51e000]"
23:51<krc>Total lock up, only a hard power off works
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23:52<krc>oh and sysreq key doesn't work either
23:52<krc>anyway, I need to figure out if I am not getting kdump/nmi setup right, or if they simply are not working for this case
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23:53<krc>and if so, what else can I do? Is there a way to get more info out of netconsole? or would an actual serial line help?
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23:54<krc>or can I virtualize it somehow... but that seems difficult since it is DRI
23:55<centrx>Looks like your video driver
23:58<krc>well, definitely that
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23:59<krc>it occurs when playing video and especially Flash video
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