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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-01-18

---Logopened Sun Jan 18 00:00:05 2015
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00:00<krc>but I'd really like to get some concrete info to send to the Debian devs and to Intel
00:00<krc>Especially since Debian is in freeze
00:01<krc>But while I am not very good at debugging in general, this takes the cake
00:02<krc>a regular program, or even X or something, you can put through GDB and such
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01:41<Finetundra>does anyone know if KDE will run on an ATI Rage XL?
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02:23<awal>Is there any pack with similar to minitube? An app for watch youtube videos without flash. mplayer2 can be used for youtube, but i'm looking for an app special for youtube
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02:26<centrx>youtube-dl
02:26<centrx>youtube-dl also supports many other video sites in addition to youtube
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02:27<awal>mps-youtube is in jessie/sid but i dont know if it works fine. Any one have tried it?
02:27<centrx>but it's just a downloader
02:27<awal>centrx, yes youtube-dl, but its only for downloads not for watch
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02:28<awal>mps-youtube, have you tried it? centrx
02:28<centrx>I have not no, it looks cool from the description
02:29<awal>yeah
02:29<centrx>it has a frighteningly low version number, but that might just be a quirk
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02:29<awal>hm
02:29<awal>later i give it a try in my jessie laptop
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02:31<awal>both minitube and mps-youtube aren't in wheezy (rmadison info)
02:32<DusXMT>awal: it's easy to write a short script to watch youtube videos using mplayer and youtube-dl
02:33<DusXMT>I usually just download a video with youtube-dl, and once the firstcouple of % are loaded, I start mplayer on the unfinished file
02:34<DusXMT>You have seeking (be able to go backwards in time, now forward, of course), it's faster, and you can keep the video afterwards :)
02:34<DusXMT>s/now/not/
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02:37<awal>DusXMT, i have some knowlodge about debian and gnu/linux en general but i still newbie here. never created a script but i must try and start making one for an x task ...
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02:38<awal>DusXMT, with mplayer/smplayer you dont really need youtube-dl. mplayer have a option for watch youtube videos directly
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02:39<awal>no tried it yet but i seen that option in smplayer tools.
02:40<DusXMT>awal: cool. I do it the way I do because I like to keep the video sometimes, what if I feel like watching it at some later time (if it's a song, for example)?
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02:43<awal>DusXMT, what I said is in smplayer sid version. i dont know if that option is present in wheezy version. and it's easy, just past the youtube link and and smplayer opens the content
02:44<awal>probably one can save it and pause/play. i have no access to my jessie machine now. sorry i cant verify
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02:48<awal>Terminology can do similar thing via youtube-dl but i wasn't able to get it to work in debian; apparently it's a dependencies bug
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02:54<awal>Jessie release will include a lot of new things compared to wheezy; it will be a great debian version :)
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02:55<awal>I really dont understand why people uses debian derivatives
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02:58<awal>one can find almost all what he needs; and the 3 branchs (stable, testing, unstable) are and can be used for different purposes
02:58<devil>awal: ŷou can't understand everything ;)
02:59<awal>devil, :)
02:59<DusXMT>awal: Perhaps they're too laze to set their system up properly, so they get an `instant system' from someone else?
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03:00<DusXMT>Some people are willing to change their distribution based on the default theme and background of the default interface
03:00<devil>I started out with a derivative and have developed derivativers ever since
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03:01<awal>DusMXT, maybe yeah. I tried ubuntu lts and mint lts a few weeks and my machine crashed several times.
03:02<awal>I have another machine and in it i run debian unstable since 1 year now and I have kde, gnome, xfce, mate, cinnamon and several WM's and never crashed
03:03<centrx>all running at the same time?
03:04<awal>centrx, i have them installed all yes but i switch between the different sessions and never had issues
03:04<awal>I'm really surprised about how all these DE and WM's are integrated
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03:06<awal>The funny thing is the theaming. with kde.config.gtk.style I can have the same kde qt or gtk theme in all of theme :)
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03:10<awal>I just want to say thanks for all debian devellopers and maintainers because it's a great OS; I'm very happy being a debian end user :)
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03:37<farid_>just test
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04:01<debianfun>hi
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04:03<Oebele>hi debianfun
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04:04<debianfun>there doesnt seem to be much activity in £debian-live, is it ok if i ask my question here?
04:04<debianfun>#debian-live
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04:14<bsc>Hi, where can I ask doubts about the Debian API ?
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04:15<debianfun>doesn't seem to be very responsive in here
04:15<themill>Ask actual questions and you sometimes get answers.
04:16<dutchfish>maybe ask more precise questions?
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04:17<bsc>I am querying the api for the package ruby-actionmailer, but the response is 404 . I wanted to know why it is so.? https://packages.debian.org/sid/ruby-actionmailer , http://sources.debian.net/api/src/ruby-actionmailer/
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04:17<dutchfish>bsc, if that package is a script/sub program within a fifferent named package, use apt-file search 'foo'
04:18<dutchfish>different*
04:18<valdyn>bsc: the package is called "ruby-actionmailer-2.3"
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04:18<bsc>valdyn, that is a different package..
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04:18<bsc>valdyn, the link I gave points to ruby-actionmailer package in sid
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04:19<bsc>Does API omit any packages?
04:19<valdyn>bsc: appearantly
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04:20<dutchfish>bsc, nope, unless you repository isnt up to date
04:20<bsc>dutchfish, then why isn't a package listed in sid not accessible in api?
04:20<dutchfish>bsc, another possibility is, that a package has been dropped
04:21<dutchfish>bsc, its apt not api
04:21<valdyn>dutchfish: no
04:21<dutchfish>no?
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04:21<debianfun>ok, i'm trying to create a live debian usb stick with persistence but i'm getting file and directory not found errors on boot, a kernel panic even... any ideas?
04:21<valdyn>bsc: i cant tell you why ruby-actionmailer is not on that site. Just get the source and read it localy
04:21<bsc>dutchfish, ok.. if dropped, will it be listed in packages.debian.org ?
04:21<debianfun>my persistence.conf is / union --- i want full persistence
04:21<valdyn>dutchfish: he is talking about a specific web service http://sources.debian.net
04:21<bsc>valdyn, ok.. that seems to be the only way now..
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04:23<dutchfish>valdyn, ok, strange, i have ruby-actionmailer: /usr/share/doc/ruby-actionmailer/changelog.gz and more (jessie)
04:23<bsc>valdyn, btw, where can I get the source code from?
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04:24<valdyn>bsc: you run "apt-get source ruby-actionmailer"
04:24<bsc>valdyn, ah.. ok .. u meant the package source.. I though you were talking about some index files that the sources.debian.net uses.. Ok..
04:24<bsc>valdyn, dutchfish anyway, thanks for your time.. :)
04:26<dutchfish>valdyn, it looks like it is dropped in sid https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/ruby-actionmailer-3.2/filelist
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04:27<debianfun>ummm
04:27<bsc>valdyn, that is "ruby-actionmailer-3.2" .. I was talking about https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/ruby-actionmailer/filelist
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04:30<dutchfish>bsc, in any case the dget -x http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/r/rails/rails_4.1.8-1.dsc does build in SID
04:30<dutchfish>which has https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/ruby-actionmailer
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04:31<debianfun>i'm getting an error message with no google results when booting debian live : "can't create directory/root/lib/: operation not permitted"
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04:44<themill>bsc: sources.d.n uses source package names. The source package is "rails" not ruby-actionmailer.
04:44<dutchfish>valdyn, it appears no longer being available as a separate package like it was in 2.4 and 3.2 but instead is now in unstable/rails sources
04:44<dutchfish>themill, you just beated me by an arm length ;)
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04:45<dutchfish>hence i prefer apt-file for searching that kind of stuff
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05:09<bsc>themill, ah.. I see.. thanks for clarifying it.. so sources.d.n won't list the multiple binary packages created from a single source package.. ok .. btw, my wish is to find out the latest version of some (its quite a long list) rubygems in debian.. is there any other way than debian api?
05:10<bsc>dutchfish, ^^
05:12<dutchfish>bsc, some years ago i made a tiny script that just does that based on apt-file and apt-rdepends
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05:13<dutchfish>bsc, basically walking the tree
05:13<bsc>dutchfish, ah.. ok.. I am trying out apt-file .. hadn't heard about that before..
05:14<dutchfish>bsc, or apt-cache is another option
05:14<dutchfish>bsc, depending on the state and your needs
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05:14<dutchfish>!apt-file
05:14<dpkg>apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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05:15<bsc>dutchfish, I just need to see if the packaged version of a gem is the latest ( a comparison between upstream and debian package versions)
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05:15<dutchfish>bsc, yes, i got that, with apt-file you can find out which file belongs to which package if any
05:17<bsc>dutchfish, ok.. lemme try that
05:17<dutchfish>bsc, you need to keep track however of manually installed gems, because apt isnt aware of that; hence i use apt-file to also find out if it belongs to any package
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05:17<bsc>dutchfish, as of now, I am not considering manually installed gems.. Just debian packages.. so i think apt-file and apt-cache will suffice
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05:18<dutchfish>bsc, but for the the rr envirenment can be queried
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05:18<dutchfish>ok, fair enough
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05:20<dutchfish>bsc, last thingy, since apt-file has no auto update feature, you need to keep it in sync with the curent repos; i.o.w. apt-file update; apt-file also keeps DB's separate for each user, that is also a handy feature.
05:21<dutchfish>(think SID)
05:26<bsc>dutchfish, yeah.. I am planning on a cron job to update the db daily..
05:26<dutchfish>bsc, have fun
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05:26<bsc>dutchfish, thanks.. :)
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06:44<supaplex>tsk tsk.
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07:23<mitt>Hi, just curious, can battery on a laptop stay longer because of lower memory usage?
07:25<DusXMT>mitt: theorethically, yes, since more memory = less swapping = less disk usage. But in practive, dunno
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07:27<mitt>DusXMT: what if on my Debian it's 200Mb after startup and on something with KDE or GNOME and systemd it's 600-700MB? Three times more
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07:37<musca>mitt: DRAM needs refreshes of its content every few milliseconds , it doesn't matter if it holds ones or zeroes. But yes, if you remove half of your modules you will save some power, but only very little.
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07:46<mitt>musca: thanks, what about systemd, does it eat more memory than init? I compared some distros with Debian and Slackware, both are pretty lightweight
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07:47<SynrGy>i don't consider 5M of physical memory excessive
07:47<SynrGy>i don't have a number for sysv
07:48<SynrGy>but the systemd process on my system is just 5M
07:49<SynrGy>on my low ram systems i don't use GNOME. i use LXDE
07:49<mitt>SynrGy: How's that? Why Fedora, for example, has 150 MB more memory without startup apps
07:49<SynrGy>i also dump the file manager from memory. don't need it
07:49<mitt>with the same XFCE
07:49<SynrGy>huh? you're confusing me. what does starting up apps have to do with how much ram systemd itself consumes?
07:50<SynrGy>looking at a second system here with systemd, systemd's footprint on that is only 4M real memory
07:51<mitt>I mean, if you make startup services the same, use same environment, why back then Fedora is so heavy? or openSUSE? Or even Xubuntu
07:51<SynrGy>please restate that as a debian support question.
07:52<SynrGy>i don't know anything about those distros
07:52<musca>e.g. different graphic drivers can cause such differences. I noticed, with the nvidia blob every single application holds more memory.
07:53<SynrGy>ah. i can't say i've noticed ... on systems where ram is scarce, nvidia is not in use. tends to be intel.
07:53<SynrGy>on systems where ram is plentiful, i haven't cared to microoptimize
07:53<mitt>Gosh, and after that they claim "Debian is worse that [] coz the write
07:53<mitt>their drivers
07:54<SynrGy>after what? and "they"? i'm losing patience with this ... if you've come to rant, it's OT. if you have a support question about debian, please ask it plainly.
07:55<musca>SynrGy: yes, i didn't investigate further - RAM is plentiful :)
07:55<mitt>sorry, I'm still thinking about systemd
07:57<SynrGy>mitt: so what is your question about it? does it use more ram? i've just said on two systems i've observed here, one uses 5M, the other 4M ...
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07:57<SynrGy>so my answer is "no, not that i can see"
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08:00<mitt>SynrGy: my question is actually: Why Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu use much more RAM than Debian, Slackware, Gentoo and *BSD?
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08:00<mitt>Now I know that is not because of systemd
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08:06<SynrGy>Mitt: right. not a debian support question.
08:06<SynrGy>next?
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08:07<Mitt>SynrGy: thank you, I have nothing more
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08:10<testdeb>hi where can i find all linux kernel images released by debian from wheezy to testing?
08:11<testdeb>thank you
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08:16<testdeb>i see an rt kernel image on wheezy package list, is rt linux images not release after wheezy? if so where can i find it? thanks
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08:19<valdyn>testdeb: which problem are you trying to solve?
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08:21<testdeb>im planning to test rt linux kernel with my pc to check the latencies, it is just for learning though
08:21<valdyn>testdeb: build them yourself
08:21<valdyn>testdeb: thats the best solution since debian does not provide such images
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08:22<testdeb>i see one release here : https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kernel/linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae, are there others released after 3.2 ?
08:22<valdyn>testdeb: they are on archive.debian.org probably
08:22<pascal>hi do you know which package is the most adapted to manage openvpn connections pls ?
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08:23<valdyn>!sdn
08:23<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
08:23<valdyn>testdeb: sorry, i meant this one ^^
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08:23<testdeb>valdyn, thanks will check it
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08:30<pascal>anyone has got answer of my question ?
08:30<abrotman>pascal: in what? GUI? CLI?
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09:00<punkgeek>debian have onther file to config network? (interfaces)
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09:02<devil>punkgeek: don't understand
09:03<devil>your devices are configured in /etc/network/interfaces
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09:03<punkgeek>how to config static ip on one line command?
09:04<devil>edit /etc/network/interfaces
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09:06<punkgeek>~ # ls /etc/network/ > if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d if-up.d
09:06<punkgeek>i cant see interfaces file
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09:09<devil>can't understand your problem. what is your native language?
09:09<abrotman>he doesn't have an interfaces fil
09:09<abrotman>file
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09:09<abrotman>punkgeek: you just create one if you odn't have one
09:09<abrotman>punkgeek: man interfaces
09:09<devil>never encountered it missing
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09:10<punkgeek>yes i doesnt have interfaces file, but the ip address has set it, i need to changed
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09:11<abrotman>punkgeek: are you using a GUI?
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09:12<punkgeek>no, it is kerio os, running on debian
09:12<punkgeek>http://kerio.org/
09:12<devil>pffff
09:12<devil>ask them
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09:13<devil>I never even heard of kerio
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09:14<punkgeek>:D
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09:15<devil>punkgeek: they have no support?
09:15<punkgeek>using trial version
09:16<SynrGy>that wasn't the question. if your chosen distro has no support, consider using a well-supported distro instead.
09:16<SynrGy>we support debian here. not derivatives of it.
09:17<Apollo>I can't find Kerio OS anywhere on their site either :s
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09:29<instigator>Hello. Can you use the dd command to copy your hard drive to an image file, inside your OS (with the hard drive still running)?
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09:29<instigator>or will some parts not copy properly
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09:31<abrotman>instigator: Would you like it to include that image in your image?
09:34<instigator>abrotman: forgot to mention, that the image would be copied to an external hard drive connected to the pc
09:36<abrotman>so something like dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/usb/backup.img ?
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09:48<pascal><abrotman> : gui
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10:01<instigator>abrotman: yeah that command
10:01<abrotman>pascal: Gnome? KDE?
10:01<abrotman>instigator: seems fine, but why not rsync or osmething?
10:02<instigator>abrotman: wanted to get a system image, so that i can restore the OS on the new computer and all its settings (not just individuals files)
10:03<instigator>abrotman: was just wondering if you could clone a hard drive, which is currently being used
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10:10<abrotman>instigator: you can, probably not the best idea
10:10<abrotman>instigator: easy enough to try :)
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10:11<instigator>abroatman: haha ok thanks
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10:13<Guest2348>hi
10:14<Guest2348>can anyone help me in this regard, the gnome terminal is missing the set background image/transparent option in jessy, how can i fix it?
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10:15<mtn>Guest2348: use a different terminal?
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10:16<Guest2348>mtn, what are the options which allow image on background? im always used to working like that
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10:17<Guest2348>* i mean optional terminals
10:17<mtn>Guest2348: options in what?
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10:17<mtn>Guest2348: I don't know, but you should be able to find out or try them and see for yourself
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10:18<Guest2348>mtn, i guess it is also possible to downgrade my terminal, will try in that route as it seems better
10:18<Guest2348>*if it is possible'
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10:19<mtn>Guest2348: you might be able to do that, though debian does not support downgrading. you have to do it manually
10:19<Guest2348>mtn, you mean download the gnome-terminal debian package and install it myself by dpkg? is this the right way to go?
10:20<mtn>Guest2348: yup, remove the one you have and see if the other would install without problems
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10:20<Guest2348>mtn, let me check
10:20<debianfun>hi
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10:23<abrotman>Guest2348: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/684/transparent-windows/ perhaps
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10:25<mtn>abrotman: that's very cool. didn't know it existed.
10:25<abrotman>mtn: the website, or that extension?
10:25<mtn>abrotman: the extension
10:26<abrotman>Guest2348: also, you must use Epiphany/Web to install that (AFAIK anyway)
10:26<pascal>abrotman: : gnome
10:26<abrotman>mtn: nor me, but looks neat
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10:26<abrotman>pascal: did you look at the network-manager plugins?
10:26<mtn>I believe most browsers can install extensions
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10:27<abrotman>mtn: IW doesn't work
10:27<abrotman>not for those extensions anyway
10:27<pascal>abrotman: : I've already installed network-manager
10:27<abrotman>pascal: plugins ...
10:27<mtn>abrotman: huh, I use it all the time to install extensions
10:27<pascal>what plugins ?
10:27<abrotman>mtn: Gnome extensions?
10:27<abrotman>pascal: apt-cache search vpn, see anything that might fit?
10:28<mtn>abrotman: oh, I see. you didn't tell it to allow installing them. it pops up when you go to the page.
10:28<abrotman>ah okay
10:29<abrotman>I don't use many extensions, so it wasn't a big deal to ome
10:29<abrotman>to me
10:29<pascal>abrotman : I have plugin
10:29<abrotman>pascal: which one?
10:29<debianfun>google chrome will be doing away with the venerable netscape plugin architecture in the near future
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10:29<debianfun>fyi
10:29<abrotman>debianfun: unrelated, but thank you
10:29<mtn>debianfun: already did that some time ago
10:29*abrotman isn't sure one is better than the other
10:31<pascal><abrotman> I sent file with output
10:31<abrotman>pascal: no, you didn't .. I wouldn't accept anything over DCC .. use paste.debian.net
10:31<pascal><abrotman> how
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10:32<abrotman>a web browser?
10:34<pascal>I tried but it doesn(t work
10:34<abrotman>You can't figure out how to work a web browser?
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10:35<pascal>I tried to send the file with your web address but it doesn't work
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10:37<pascal>can you access ?
10:37<pascal>could you say me ?
10:38<pascal>abrotman
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10:39<abrotman>paste.debian.net
10:39<pascal>yes i send it on paste.debian.net
10:39<debianfun>why would debian live boot with persistence tell me that it cant create /root/lib?
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10:40<pascal>do you see it ?
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10:41<Guest2348>abrotman, thank you for the link, but as far i i read there, the option is only to have transparent windows, but i was working happily with a constant background image which is now not possible :(, the issue with using a transparent background is that the conky on background pop up and interfere in my typings and i have to fix that... anyway... let me try
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10:46<Brigo>debianfun, did you try to install anything?
10:46<debianfun>no
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10:47<debianfun>i can boot without persistence, but when i append "persistence" as a boot parameter i get a kernel panic during boot
10:48<debianfun>google is not returning anything
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10:49<debianfun>i'm wondering if i should file a bug report
10:49<abrotman>Guest2348: ah, you want a preset image, not transparency?
10:50<Guest2348>yes exactly
10:50*abrotman looks again
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10:51<debianfun>seems to be a pretty major error :)
10:51<abrotman>Guest2348: try #gnome on irc.freenode.net, I"m interested to know what they tell you
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10:52<Guest2348>abrotman, sure thank you
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10:54<Brigo>debianfun, the live image is based on wheezy or jessie?
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10:54<debianfun>wheezy
10:55<debianfun>7.7 specifically
10:55<Brigo>debianfun, then it is weird, wheezy was running for some years without problems.
10:55<debianfun>yup
10:55<debianfun>everything i've read suggested it should work
10:56<debianfun>maybe my usb stick has errored?
10:57<debianfun>filesystem.squashfs failed i also get
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10:57<Brigo>it could be.
10:57<debianfun>it's a fairly new usb stick
10:58<debianfun>reputable brand too heh
10:58<Brigo>may be a corrupt image, may be the problem was the download. :)
10:58<debianfun>i checked the hash :~
10:58<Brigo>news usb sticks can fail too :D
10:58<debianfun>yea
10:58<debianfun>gotta be very unlucky for that
10:58<debianfun>i'll try flashing 7.8 onto it and see what happens
10:59<Brigo>yes, i hope that was not the problem. I really do not think so.
10:59<Brigo>debianfun, ok, good luck :)
10:59<debianfun>just looking at the CFG file
10:59<debianfun>if i still can't boot, i'll probably file a bug report
10:59<Brigo>debianfun, right.
11:00<Brigo>anyway if you fill a bug against 7.7 they will tell you to upgrade to 7.8.
11:00<debianfun>lol
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11:09<Guest2348>abrotman, no reply yet... time to leave
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11:18<joseph-soares>hi, my debian deos not neither hibernate neihter suspend anymore
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11:22<mtn>joseph-soares: what version of debian and what did you change?
11:23<ixi>joseph-soares you need updated kernel from security repo
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11:23<ixi>if you have the default sources for stable, just do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
11:24<abrotman>...
11:24<joseph-soares>Debian 7, it was after a new apt-get upgrade
11:24<joseph-soares>now it appears a new update and I'm trying to upgrade to see if the problem is solved
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11:43<c01d>Hello everybody. Just encountered some problems (complete system crash, autoreboot) with the nouveau driver under latest Jessie. Where should I post my experiences?
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11:47<pascal>Hi I'm looking for a goof GUI for openvpn : do you know anyone pls ?
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11:48<pascal>good not goof sorry
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11:49<c01d>pascal, I'm with XFCE a run network-manager applet. It is perfectly integrated into my panels and it also comes with vpn managment capabilities.
11:49<c01d>-a+and
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11:50<ondrej_g>hi, I cannot find gimp or emacs in /etc/mailcap , other applications like iceweasel, vlc, mplayer are all there
11:50<pascal>c0ld : could you say me what package it is ?
11:50<pascal>which package sorry
11:50<c01d>pascal, wait pls
11:52<c01d>pascal, network-manager (and I additionally installed the network-manager-vpnc package .... everything works very fine with all our cisco profiles etc.)
11:52<ondrej_g>update-mime for some reason ignore gimp and emacs
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11:54<c01d>pascal, look here for more info: https://packages.debian.org/de/squeeze/network-manager-openvpn
11:54<c01d>pascal, this is an english version of the former link: https://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/network-manager-openvpn
11:55<ondrej_g>I read it should process /usr/share/applications/*.desktop entries, but gimp is not in the rsulting milcap
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11:56<c01d>ondrej_g, under xfce I have a nice mime type editor gui - maybe you can look for something appropriate for your DE
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11:58<ondrej_g>c01d: don't need an editor, just wondering why some *.desktop files don't end up in meailcap
11:58<abrotman>pascal: I already told you
11:58<c01d>ondrej_g, ok
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12:00<pascal>c01d> : it's not a GUI
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12:02<c01d>pascal, you have to additionally install network-manager-applet
12:03<c01d>pascal, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/network-manager-gnome
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12:04<debianfun>does taking an hour to create and format a 64gb ext4 partition sound about right?
12:04<abrotman>depends on many factors
12:05<debianfun>am i wearing out my usb stick?! :O
12:06<sney>64 gigs over usb would take some time yeah
12:07<debianfun>it's a fast usb stick too :~
12:07<debianfun>:/
12:07<debianfun>sandisk ultra
12:07<sney>flash memory does wear out eventually
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12:07<debianfun>well i dont want to wear it out prematurely
12:07<abrotman>speed of the disk is only one factor
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12:08<debianfun>it's only like the second day i'm using it properly
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12:08<sney>usb 2.0 is a bit pokey by disk i/o standards
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12:08<debianfun>i had debian live loaded on it for a while, started tinkering with it yesterday
12:08<c01d>sney, but if it is a 64 gig stick it seems to be relatively new and should not already be worn out?
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12:09<sney>yeah unless it came bad from the factory
12:09<abrotman>sney: and 1.1 would be even more fun
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12:09<debianfun>should it be taking this long though?
12:09<sney>I wear out a usb stick every few months at work
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12:10<debianfun>creating a fat32 or ntfs partition was so quick in comparison
12:10<debianfun>mere seconds
12:10<sney>debianfun: it's not that strange, run a fsck on it after the format if you're still worried
12:11<debianfun>warranty will be a pain to claim, back in hong kong lol
12:12<ondrej_g>ok, found out that mime-support does not parse desktop entries in wheezy
12:12<debianfun>guess i'll cook dinner as i wait
12:14<pascal>c0ld : I've a .ovpn file I try to import into GUI but it doesn't work
12:15<jhutchins>c01d: The other filesystems probably just created the fs structure. Did you format it?
12:15<c01d>pascal, seems to be a problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/1294899
12:16<abrotman>dpkg: tell debianfun about enter
12:16<c01d>jhutchins, I guess you mean debianfun :-)
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12:16<jhutchins>c01d: Yes, sorry.
12:17<jhutchins>debianfun: An hour sounds suspicious.
12:17<c01d>jhutchins, you're welcome.
12:17<pascal>c0ld : I'm not onto ubuntu
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12:18<jhutchins>pascal: The bug could still be relevant.
12:18<c01d>pascal, yeah, I already assumed that. May there is some related BTS entry in the debian BTS
12:18<c01d>pascal, BTS = Bug Tracking System
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12:21<pascal>ok but how can I transfer key and certif from my .ovpn file into network-manager ?
12:21<abrotman>copy/paste?
12:21<pascal>I'm going to try...
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12:34<pascal>ok copy/paste seems to be ok but how can I open a connection ?
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12:37<pascal>how can I activate vpn connection pls ?
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12:37<pascal>onto network-manager
12:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 693] by debhelper
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12:40<t2xl>Helllo!
12:41<rao>hello can i install debian in cell phone ??
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12:43<paxmark9>pascal If your provider gave you an *.ovpn then all you have to do is to cp it (as root or via sudo) into /etc/openvpn/ and then as root or sudo openvpn *.opvn
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12:44<ixi>rao cellphones need very specific drivers, and also often locked at the bootloader level
12:44<ixi>so in most cases the answer is no
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12:44<ixi>we can all thank wonderful phone vendors for that
12:45<rao>but nethunter is install in cell phone why ??
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12:45<ixi>what's that
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12:46<rao>its a kali linux mobile iso version nehunter
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12:46<pascal>paxmark9 yes it works fine this way but i want to open et close my connection without type command line
12:46<rao>https://www.kali.org/kali-linux-nethunter/
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12:47<Binvucapuchino>hey
12:47<pascal>paxmark9 : are you here ?
12:48<ixi>rao they have 9 supported devices
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12:48<ixi>you could probably manage to install debian on those too if you really wanted
12:48<madduck>does anyone know a good gallery software that allows some sort of view-by-tag, ideally based on filesystem data?
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12:51<rao>so any other solution ??
12:51<ixi>also
12:51<paxmark9>pascal Yes, im here. I don't use nm on this box. I tried the cut and paste stuff on an LMDE box and gave it up as too hard. For me, much simpler to use the command line.
12:52<ixi>as far as I can see
12:52<ixi>rao they aren't installing an OS on android
12:52<ixi>they create a chroot using existing kernel
12:52<ixi>and connect to it via local vnc
12:52<ixi>that's quite a bit different from what 'install debian on phone' means
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12:53<rao>so there is no way to install :-(
12:53<ixi>rao see this page for current knowledge https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile/
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12:54<pascal>paxmark9 : i'd like to open and close vpn connection by press a button not type command line
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12:55<rao>thx ixi
12:56<rao>ixi any multi github code do u have??
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12:56<ixi>rao what's multi github code
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12:57<rao>check ixi https://github.com/
12:57<ixi>right.
12:57<ixi>rao do you have a debian related question
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12:58<rao>no dear thx ...
12:58<paxmark9>pascal duckduckgo import ovpn network-manager http://chrisjrob.com/2014/03/18/convert-openvpn-ovpn-files-for-use-in-network-manager/
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13:02<rao>ixi any video tutorial side related t debain
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13:04<ixi>rao 1) https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ 2) https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
13:04<ixi>no videos though.
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14:00<pentaheadron>I'm having trouble configuring my tftp server for network boot but I the tftp server isn't starting, I have tried everything online, to no avail :/. (debian wheezy, tftpd-hpa) when I "sudo service tftpd-hpa start" it says its starting, but when "service tftpd-hpa status" is run, it says it failed. When checking /var/log/syslog, it says: "in.tftpd[17838]: cannot bind to local IPv4 socket: Address already in use". What does this mean?
14:03<KingOfDos>that you've got another service which is using the local port, on which you're binding the listening socket.
14:03<KingOfDos>that is, you sure there isn't another tftp server active?
14:04<pentaheadron>KingOfDos, sorry I'm a bit of a noob, how do I check this?
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14:07<KingOfDos>ps aux|grep tftp
14:07<KingOfDos>or hm, i dunno
14:07<abrotman>fuser -n tcp 60
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14:08<KingOfDos>tftp is udp:69 ;]
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14:08<KingOfDos>and lsof isn't displaying my service, so dunno.
14:09<pentaheadron>KingOfDos, abrotman: the grep tftp is only showign the grep command and the fuser isn't returning anything to stdout or stderr :/
14:09<pentaheadron>but thanks for your help :)
14:09<KingOfDos>pentaheadron: maybe the 'stop' command isn't working? you should at least be able to see some process which is using the port
14:10<KingOfDos>that is, when you: sudo service tftp-hpa stop
14:10<KingOfDos>after that, you should not see a tftp process running with: ps aux|grep tftp
14:10<KingOfDos>if so, the 'service stop' is broken. had that a few times with tftp-hpa
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14:11<KingOfDos>i'm usually just killing the process manually after a 'service stop'
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14:11<pentaheadron>KingOfDos, with "stop" it has a green "ok" near it.. would killing it be "pkill tftp-hpa" ?
14:12<KingOfDos>first check your ps aux, if it's running.
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14:12<KingOfDos>you want to know what's happening, before killing ;]
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14:12<KingOfDos>and then you're able to kill based on process-id :-)
14:13<pentaheadron>"ps aux | grep tftp" only shows the actual grep command
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14:13<pentaheadron>maybe the problem is with my config file? what should TFTP_ADDRESS be?
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14:14<KingOfDos>maybe another process which is using udp:69?
14:14<KingOfDos>TFTP_ADDRESS="0.0.0.0:69"
14:15<KingOfDos>that is: bind on port 69 on all IP'/interfaces on this machine
14:16<pentaheadron>oh, makes sense, thanks. okay, "fuser -n udp 69" returns "69/udp: 3471"
14:16<pentaheadron>I GOT IT
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14:17<pentaheadron>when I "ps aux | grep 3471" then I get that port sentry is running :O. I installed that so far back haha
14:17<pentaheadron>KingOfDos, abrotman: thanks for all your help ;P
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14:21<KingOfDos>np, and noobish? well. in my mind, that's someone who doesn't want to learn.
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14:22<KingOfDos>you're at least trying. so maybe a newbe in linux. that doesn't say anything about other experiences in life ;]
14:22<KingOfDos>or maybe that's just me.
14:22<KingOfDos>i dunno :-)
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16:16<yohan>Jessie frozen
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16:17<yohan>holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
16:18<acald3ron>yohan, entra al canal en espanol #debian-es
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16:21<abrotman>acald3ron: not running canaima
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16:47<arielb1>How do you make recovery mode boot not wait for interfaces to be up?
16:48<awal>In '.fluxbox/keys file' I have this section: "# scroll on the toolbar to change current window OnToolbar Mouse4 :PrevWindow {static groups} (iconhidden=no) OnToolbar Mouse5 :NextWindow {static groups} (iconhidden=no)" How to prevent this for system tray? I mean this configuration is fine but I want prevent it when scrolling over system tray icons. If I put the mouse pointer over 'volti' or 'radiotray' 'audacious' icons, for
16:48<awal>example, I want adjust the volume sound but what happen is that fluxbox cycle between apps windows opened. I mean: I want prevent the fluxbox toolbar scroll configuration happen in systemtray.
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16:48<arielb1>I mean, when the network is broken it hangs with a relatively long (>1min) timeout
16:48<awal>I don't know if you understand what i mean; bad english here :(
16:53<y_>ed
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16:54<arielb1>Where are the systemd files for setting up networking?
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16:55<arielb1>(debian 8/jessie)
16:57<awal>arielb1, apt-file may be helpful
16:57<awal>try
16:58<mtn>arielb1: I don't think you use systemd for setting up networking
16:58<awal>exact :)
16:58<arielb1>I mean, the *problem* is that the *** thing hangs boot until it can get the network ready
16:58<arielb1>even in recovery mode
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16:59<awal>arielb1, anyway, jessie support is in #debian-next
16:59<arielb1>awal: thanks
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17:23<Tofix>hello all, can i ask some stupid question about qcow2 disk image fmt ?
17:24<Tofix>no matter what i do, committing or not, my backing image of a qcow2 never increment size, then everytime my VM is shut it's like nothing happened ... is there something i didn't understand about qcow2 ?
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17:43<awal>Which pack I need to install for have time news roman in libreoffice?
17:44<awal>My f***k*** teacher asks for time news roman for .doc i must send him
17:45<mtn>awal: first google hit on your question: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/23726/how-to-get-times-new-roman-font-in-libreoffice-on-linux/
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17:47<awal>mtn, yeah I seen that link but i'm not sure
17:48<mtn>awal: look for mscorefonts as it suggests
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17:48<awal>they say ttf-mscorefonts-installer but I dont know if there is another alternative . its why my ask
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17:48<mtn>awal: is it in the package manager?
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17:49<awal>because I installed something similar years ago in ubuntu and one have to accept microsoft licence if i remember good
17:49<awal>mtn, yes it's available in debian
17:51<mtn>awal: so you already knew the answer?
17:53<Gabriel_7>You can tell your teacher that you do not accept the license. But he will probably hate you.
17:53<Gabriel_7>Don't do that…
17:54<awal>mtn, not exactly. I seen the link you sent but I asked anyway. I believe I had to ask indicating the answer link because of doubtes
17:54<cyrax>Gabriel_7: :)
17:54<awal>Gabriel_7, :)
17:54<mtn>awal: what doubts?
17:55<awal>Thats ok guys. I just installed that pack 'ttf-mscorefonts-installer' and there is no question for accept microsift licence. so all fine.
17:55<awal>but i wonder why in ubuntu there is a licence ( 2 or 3 years ago)
17:55*mtn mumbles about help vampires
17:56<awal>mtn, doubt is if the aswer in libreoffice forum is really what i have to do in debian
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17:57<awal>i prefer ask debian users if doubts I dont just apply what i find in the web jungle; i hope u understand :) mtn
17:58<awal>mtn, help vampires?
17:59<mtn>awal: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19665/the-help-vampire-problem
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18:01<awal>mtn, you know what? You can just choose no answer if a question appears "vampire" for you
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19:17<canaima>windows
19:17<canaima>#
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19:25<awal>Is there any pack for check man pages of a non installed pack directly from console in combination with wget or another app with similar functions or whitout these utilities?
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19:34<awal>I mean, one can see description of a non installed package with apt, aptitude... but how about man pages without the use of a web browser, wget...?
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19:35<nkuttler>awal: well, plenty of websites host manpages..
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19:41<awal>nkuttler, right. why i really asked its because sometimes i find an interesting pack bcuz of the aptitude description but after installing it it results too complicated to configure for a newbie. so my idea is get man pages in combination with apt/aptitude description then procced to install that pack if i find it easy to configure via console if that pack doesn't have ui
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19:42<terry>hi all
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20:02<fmg>hello. I noticed 'aptitude' not to be installed in a Jessie debootstrap. I didn't find background info. Some hints?
20:02<y_>apt-get install apt
20:02<y_>apt-get install aptitude
20:02<y_>or whatever.
20:04<fmg>ah - no, this wasn't my question. I can install aptitude, of course. Is there any documentation somewhere on the web, why it was not included?
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20:04<fmg>Is it recommended to use apt-get instead?
20:05<dondelelcaro>fmg: for some situations, yes.
20:05<y_>It's really just preference.
20:05<dondelelcaro>fmg: but aptitude is only Priority: stanard, so that's why it's not always installed
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20:05<ixi>I don't know any alternatives to 'aptitude changelog' command
20:05<ixi>so that might be one reason to keep it around
20:06<fmg>dist-upgrade ist better with apt-get, isn't it?
20:06<ixi>it might be safer
20:06<ixi>aptitude sometimes tries really hard
20:07<awal>nkuttler: Example: I run "aptitude show libav-tools" then I want use 'wget' for get man pages of 'avconv' from manpages.debian.org and then open avconv man pages in same terminal with an app that can display (in same terminal) the downloaded avconv man pages content. any suggestion?
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20:12<fmg>how can I display priority of a package with commandline?
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20:16<dondelelcaro>fmg: apt-cache show foopkg;
20:16<fmg>ah, show. I tried policy. thx
20:20<bleh>Hey, I just got jessie working with my graphics cards (2x 270x) and everything is running awesome except for one odd issue. http://i.imgur.com/S4ZNg7u.jpg I have tried some google-fu but all I get are people having issues with missing fonts but I highly doubt that is the case here. Any advice or anyone who has seen something like this before?
20:21<awal>bleh, jessie ---» #debian-next
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20:22<bleh>kk ty
20:23<maxmackie>Quick question for all of you. I'm trying to install debian netinstall onto my machine. I'm booting from a burned DVD. I'm able to boot and get to the installer. But then it says it can't detect my cd-rom drive...which it is running off of. I tried dropping to a shell and mounting /dev/sr0 manually, but got an input/output error.
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20:36<SynrGy>maxmackie: don't use unetbootin. it's crap. that's my best guess
20:36<SynrGy>oh. burned dvd. hm
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20:37<SynrGy>this sounds vaguely familiar
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20:37<SynrGy>but unrelated to unetbootin. sorry, too tired and no other ideas
20:38<ixi>maxmackie your optical drive might be dead.
20:38<ixi>try another medium
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20:48<maxmackie>SynrGy: burned using dd in centos
20:48<maxmackie>ixi: optical drive definitely works. I burned the iso to a dvd from a centos box using dd. Then I was able to actually boot from the optical drive. Its once I'm in the installer that it doesnt get mounted or wtv
20:49<ixi>*shrug*
20:49<ixi>I've seen this exact error before, it was a bad drive
20:50<ixi>sr0 input/output error during install etc
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20:52<maxmackie>ixi: weird
20:52<maxmackie>the end result is me getting proxmox installed
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20:55<tezza>hmmm. seems this smuxi client is a little braindead
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21:11<petros>identify weterthater
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21:26<nick>ello?
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21:53<nardev>is it possible to set proxy for only one URL/server?
21:53<nardev>i'm using gnome p.s.
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22:57<CHVNX>You would like to use a proxy when accessing one URL?
22:58<ixi>nardev it is doable per-domain in browser settings
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22:59<ixi>aside from that you're probably going to have to find either a browser extension
22:59<ixi>or perform some kind of iptables hack
23:00<rjsalts>ixi, nardev: you can also do it in a proxy.pac file
23:00<rjsalts>nardev: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config
23:02<ixi>good one rjsalts
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