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00:12<zdm>Just installed debian and I'm wanting to get the most recent version of hexchat. I was wondering if it was okay to use the stable ppa to get it (Linux noob, I don't want to do anything risky security wise)
00:12<zdm>damn it this irc client is being weird :\
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02:17<premoboss>hello, where can I find the source of the installation program of debian? (the tool that allow partitioning, setup of network, etc). I want to do a ncurses-baset software and that program can be a goot source code to study.
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02:19<jm_>premoboss: there's plenty other tools that would make this easier but
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02:21<premoboss>jm_, thanks. I nee just a easy base of example. I will check your link.
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02:21<jm_> has pointers to several howtos/tutorials etc.
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02:21<jm_>I recommend to check the above first
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03:53<Spiceboi>hey! who are you people?
03:54<Spiceboi>can any of you program?
03:54<Spiceboi>i am looking for programmers....
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03:54<Spiceboi>you know, like money?
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03:55<Spiceboi>you want to make some money?
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04:04<sasa32>van fenn magyar ?
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04:07<premoboss>sasa32, no
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04:12<babilen>dpkg: hu
04:12<dpkg>Ez egy angol nyelvu csatorna. Kerlek beszelj angolul vagy probald a csatornat a FreeNode halozaton, ha magyarul szeretnel.
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04:49<premoboss>dpkg: it
04:49<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
04:49<AndroUser>jm_:it's me
04:49<AndroUser>jm_:another question
04:50<jm_>AndroUser: don't ask specific people, ask the channel
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05:01<AndroUser>Hello,guys.I am in trouble.I am run debian stable with 3.16 kernel and gnome.I have installed the nvidia driver and bumblebee without config file, but still in fallback session, because no hardware 3D support.what is the problem?
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05:02<jm_>AndroUser: what does 'grep KernelDriver /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf' return?
05:03<jm_>AndroUser: did you read through ?
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05:05<AndroUser>I have red
05:06<jm_>verify you're not subject to the three issues listed there first
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05:21<rober>TOPIC asdf
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05:38<mincho>This is a test ;)
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05:50<AndroUser>jm_:it's all not work
05:51<AndroUser>Please see it
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05:54<jm_>AndroUser: which version of nvidia driver is installed?
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05:59<AndroUser>Backports version 340.65
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06:00<jm_>then the contents of /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf' is wrong, read the known issues section from the bumblebee wiki page again
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06:02<AndroUser>jm_:Which one is my problem?
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06:02<jm_>AndroUser: the first one
06:02<jm_>just read it, I won't be doing your homework from now on
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06:10<AndroUser>jm_:I have tried the first one, nothing different, and l even read the arch wiki about bumblebee, so I am work hard on it.
06:10<ccpp>hola eloy
06:11<jm_>AndroUser: you haven't fixed your bumblebee.conf according to it
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06:17<mincho>whois AlexMax
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06:17<khalil>Hi all! I configured the network connection in /etc/network/interfaces and add "auto eth0" with "iface eth0 inet dhcp" but still get "No DHCPOFFERS received" when I try to restart network connections. My server is connected with Rj45 cable. I am not in home, I am in the office with a protected lan/wlan connection. The system admin said to me that he added the server's MAC address to authorized
06:17<khalil>ones list. After all this still with no DHCPOFFERS received... Anyone have an idea about this please ?
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06:19<khalil>jm_ : Hi jm and thank you for your help. I started my server on rescue mod and modified the grub.cfg file by adding gfx parameters. It works well. Thanks
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06:20<jm_>khalil: hmm, adding gfx parameters? they're there by default
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06:22<julianAngulo>\whois jm_
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06:22<khalil>jm_ : I added GRUB_GFXMOD=1024x768 and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUx=1024x768 and it works well
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06:23<jm_>khalil: strange, 640x480 is the default and one would expect that to work before 1024x768, but since this is HP nothing surprises me
06:23<khalil>GRUB_GFXMOD was there but as a comment.
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06:25<khalil>ah ok, yes but it was as a comment so I removed the comment and It works.
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06:26<khalil>I changed 640x480 to 1024x768 but I think that even if I keep 640x480 it will work too
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06:27<khalil>however now I have a "no DHCPOFFERS received" problem when configuring network connection
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07:18<AndroUser>jm_: I try all step twice, and I need set kenneldriver to nvidia-current to work, and I set the busid and screen section in /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia with grub command line even though my optirun is work well,I can see my drive detial is Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209), but it still in gnome fallback,what should I do now?
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07:20<jm_>AndroUser: i have never used a laptop in my life, hence no optimus for me either, but I would still expect to see lines from nvidia driver in x logfile
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07:20<jm_>maybe try #bumblebee on
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07:20<AndroUser>Ok,wait a mini
07:21<pzdc>hello. ive been using archlinux before. and i found it difficult to use debian now. when im trying to remove a package it only removes main package but not those which were installed alongside. is there a way to delete those also?
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07:22<jm_>pzdc: how are you uninstalling packages and how did you install them in the first place?
07:22<pzdc>apt-get remove --purge
07:23<jm_>add --auto-remove
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07:26<ixi>pzdc packages can get left behind if there is some other package that would make use of it
07:26<pzdc>what about installing packages? sometimes im using aptitude, sometimes i us apt-get is there something i should know?
07:27<jm_>don't mix aptitude and apt-get, use one and stick to it - see man apt-mark
07:28<jm_>AndroUser: try asking in the channel I mentioned above
07:29<AndroUser>jm_:what is the problem you prefer?
07:29<jm_>AndroUser: I don't understand your question
07:29<mitt>pzdc are you russian?
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07:30<pzdc>no :) but i know russian
07:30<AndroUser>jm_:what is the problem you guess?
07:30<mitt>pzdc you probably show it in your nick lol
07:30<pzdc>i do :)
07:31<jm_>AndroUser: to be honest, I have no idea as I never used this
07:32<AndroUser>jm_:I want switch to archlinux because systemd
07:33<jm_>AndroUser: soon that will be in use everywhere anyway, unfortunately
07:33<KingOfDos>it wont
07:34<KingOfDos>procd? etc
07:34<KingOfDos>like, i'm quite unable to run systemd on embedded hardware
07:35<pzdc>what annoys me in archlinux, that sometimes apps getting screwed up. for example, i was using geeknote and then made update, some python libraries screwed it up
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07:35<KingOfDos>but yea. I'll guess you've got to create your own linux distro, with ancient packages which aren't depending on systemd. will get harder and harder to maintain, i guess. in the future.
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07:36<mitt>KingOfDos, guys from Devuan are making alternatives to systemd services
07:36<AndroUser>I use to like debian stable, and it workss well on my VAIO
07:37<KingOfDos>mitt: yea, a lot of people are doing stuff right now. i think that's safe/smart :)
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07:37<KingOfDos>never depend on one development track/direction
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07:38<KingOfDos>my main concern lays not on the desktop tbh
07:38<KingOfDos>servers, servers, servers andddd, servers.
07:38<KingOfDos>quite special hardware
07:38<KingOfDos>so, if systemd fucks one thing. i'm going to break it and drop it from my env.
07:38<AndroUser>And I don't care systemd or upstart etc. Just want a good desktop environment
07:38<KingOfDos>i do care, trust me.
07:39<KingOfDos>that's my job
07:39<KingOfDos>if my servers stop working, now, or over 10 years, i've got a problem.
07:39<AndroUser>I believe it
07:40<AndroUser>I run debian on my raspberry
07:41<KingOfDos>but well. systemd. i've got a lot of details. bot no opinion yet on the technical end-result. but i'll think it's gonne be like cancer.
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07:49<AndroUser>jm_:I have to say I have no idea about this, l want to figure it out before switch to archlinux. Maybe nouveau will be work.
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07:50<jm_>AndroUser: like I said, ask in #bumblbee first
07:50<jm_>#bumblebee even
07:51<AndroUser>In try
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07:53<petn-randall>KingOfDos: systemd comes with a lot of cool things for admins, too. I don't understand why it gets so much hate. Especially since 90% of the hate is FUD.
07:54<AndroUser>They just make them feeling no at home
07:54<KingOfDos>petn-randall: i'm not hating it. like i said, i've got no opinion about how it's going to end.
07:55<petn-randall>KingOfDos: For example, systemd will also track child processes of daemons, to make sure if a daemon stops all the spawned processes are terminated, too. And it has the ability to sign log files, so they can't get tampered with after a break-in.
07:55<KingOfDos>petn-randall: when you've got a lot of (ancient/custom) hardware/software, maybe your opinion on big-changes would be diff.
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07:56<KingOfDos>i'm just saying that we need to be carefull :)
07:57<petn-randall>KingOfDos: There are arguments against it, but some things people blame on systemd is just ridiculous.
07:58<petn-randall>KingOfDos: systemd should also run fine on ancient HW. It just won't run on ancient kernels.
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08:01<KingOfDos>petn-randall: i'm depending on the goodwill of corporations, if they'll upgrade their software. which won't happen I guess
08:02<KingOfDos>ancient kernels. insert checked checkbox ;]
08:03<petn-randall>KingOfDos: Do they still get security support?
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08:06<KingOfDos>petn-randall: what would my answer be?
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08:07<KingOfDos>if corporations stop supporting customer/home user hardware within 1 or 2 years after they released some hardware? (on average...)
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08:07<KingOfDos>think about mobile phones. printers. voip devices.
08:07<KingOfDos>and that's just a problem i've got, as home-user.
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08:08<KingOfDos>for my job. well. that problem is a lot bigger and more expensive.
08:08<petn-randall>KingOfDos: Huh? The squeeze kernel still gets security support, and that thing is *ancient*.
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08:08<petn-randall>,v kernels
08:08<judd>No package named 'kernels' was found in i386.
08:08<KingOfDos>petn-randall: yea, for now :)
08:08<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
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08:08<KingOfDos>petn-randall: i'm not talking about debian specific issues here ;]
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08:09<KingOfDos>just linux. and thinking about, how the hardware is still working over 50 years from now.
08:09<KingOfDos>because it will
08:09<KingOfDos>and that's my concern :)
08:09<petn-randall>KingOfDos: If you want even longer support cycles, you can look at Red Hat. Their stuff is ancient. :)
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08:09<KingOfDos>petn-randall: aaaaahh. starts crying
08:10<KingOfDos>i'm trying to move from redhat/centos to debian...
08:10<jeivy>is kernel 3.16 from backports stable?
08:10<petn-randall>Hehehehe :D
08:10<KingOfDos>i've got the hardware to create a complete mirror of the debian project
08:10<petn-randall>jeivy: Yes, it's declared stable.
08:10<KingOfDos>so i'm sure i'm able to reinstall hardware over 50 years from now
08:11<petn-randall>KingOfDos: will also exist for quite a while.
08:11<KingOfDos>might be ;]
08:11<jeivy>i compiled 3.2.0 yesterday and apache failed to load
08:11<KingOfDos>i'm just creating debian2015.archive.corp.tld :-)
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08:12<petn-randall>jeivy: Eh? What did you do to the kernel that apache would fail loading?
08:12<petn-randall>s/loading/to start/
08:12<jeivy>instead of copying the boot/config
08:12<peter1138>I like not compiling kernels :D
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08:13<jeivy>i tried a new make localmodconfig
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08:14<jeivy>everything runs great but apache don't start
08:14<petn-randall>!doesnt work
08:14<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
08:14<jeivy>i have a backup kernel loaded
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08:15<jeivy>today i have tried the default with optimizations
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08:15<jeivy>but runs out of space in 2.7GB free root
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08:21<jeivy>[Fri Jan 23 10:30:44 2015] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) PHP/5.4.36-0+deb7u3 configured -- resuming normal operations
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08:23<przemek>czy jest ktos z POlski
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08:28<rfreeman>czesc przemek1. jest
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08:28<rfreeman>przemek1: but here we rather speak english (tu raczej piszemy po angielsku)
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08:29<jm_>ohh and rejoined, /me slaps himself
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08:30<przemek1a>How to count how many are in my system subdirectories / bin
08:30<przemek1a>(sub-directories and further depression should also be
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08:31<przemek1a>How to count how many are in my system subdirectories / bin
08:31<przemek1a>(sub-directories and further depression should also be
08:33<exfos>How many what
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08:36<przemek1a>How to calculate the ILE SYSTEM FOLDER AND PODKATALGOWÓW MA in
08:36<przemek1a> / bin
08:36<przemek1a>(sub-directories and further depression should also be
08:36<przemek1a>count). What is the command
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08:38<evo7>kicked in da ass
08:40<exfos>It's weird how (s)he went polish half way through the sentence
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08:43<jeivy>somewhere "I added a virtual disk to it & mounted it to /usr/src . It took about 6.5 GB to compile & build Linux kernel"
08:43<jeivy>how is this possible?
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08:47<przemek1>How to check what are the permissions on the / tmp directory and explain
08:47<przemek1>why the sticky bit is set?
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08:48<exfos>przemek1, ls -l ?
08:49<jeivy>ls -l /
08:49<hadret>ls -ld /tmp should work too
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08:51<hadret>but, seriously: man chmod, man sticky and there you have it all
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08:53<przemek1>How to archive and compress with bzip2 compression entire directory
08:53<hadret>man tar
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08:55<jeivy>another one "I've about 5.5GB of free space....whenever I try to compile the kernel my system runs out of space...says zero bytes remaining"
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08:55<AndroUser>hey,babies.give me a I run debian stable 3.16 kernel with gnome on my notebook.I have Geforce 820m card and installed nvidia drive and bumblebee.but I can enter gnome-shell just in fallback mode.what should I do?
08:58<przemek1>How to check if your system is running processes that
08:58<przemek1>have been running with root privileges is what the command
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08:59<jeivy>Users must be in the video group to use GNOME 3 with x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers. If they are not, GNOME Shell will simply crash at startup.
08:59<jeivy>Under some versions of x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers, GNOME Shell system tray shows graphical corruption (all icons are rendered identically). This problem is fixed in driver versions 280.13 and newer.
08:59<jeivy>All versions of x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers are incompatible with GNOME's color management support. This is because GNOME's color management code relies on XRandR, and NVIDIA's support for XRandR is currently incomplete. There is no workaround at this time.
08:59<jeivy>As reported in bug #375615, for some people, certain versions of x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (275.28, 280.13, and 285.03 are known to be affected) cause some Gtk+ applications to hang when terminating. One effect of this is to make GDM freeze after the password has been entered; similarly, GNOME will freeze when logging out. The affected versions of nvidia-drivers have been masked. To prevent this problem, make sure to use an unmasked driver
08:59<jeivy>version, for example 275.09.07 or 285.05.09.
08:59<jeivy>Multi-monitor configurations
08:59<jeivy>As reported in bug #392013, GNOME Shell will refuse to start under "Zaphod mode" dualhead configurations (i.e. the configurations where multiple Device sections are used in xorg.conf). If you are using such a dualhead configuration, you will only be able to use fallback mode.
08:59<jeivy>Old ATI cards (X850, M28 and older, and also some X1550 cards) and old Intel cards (945 series and older) cannot run GNOME Shell on typical multi-monitor setups. This is because these old graphics cards support a maximum GL texture size of 2048×2048 or less, and GNOME Shell needs the full X display (from all monitors combined) to fit in one GL texture.
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09:06<przemek1>How to Check How many software packages installed in your
09:06<przemek1>operating system? What command
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09:12<towo^work>it seems that we should do the homework for przemek1
09:12<teward>towo^work: heh
09:13<przemek1>pleas help my
09:13<teward>i have a command for it, but it sounds a little like a homework questoin...
09:13<towo^work>przemek1, use google, you can find all answers there
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09:16<przemek1>Can someone help me or not really is not a job, but I have a couple of dnnni linux and I learn and saves please help
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09:34<amr>HI im new here
09:35<exfos>Because you're new you have to sing us a song. It's the rules
09:36<amr>R you crazy exfos
09:37<amr>i won,t do that
09:37<exfos>But, it's the rules :(
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09:37*teward drops the bash manpage in printed form on exfos.
09:37<teward>amr: if you have a question you may want to jsut ask it
09:38<amr>yes i,m have a question
09:39<towo^work>then ask
09:39<amr>how can i add proxy chaine
09:39<amr>for kali liunx
09:39<towo^work>wrong channel
09:39<towo^work>here is #debian, not #kali
09:40<teward>amr: kali isn't debian - try elsewhere. i think kali's support exists on freenode...?
09:40<exfos>Do you want to be behind 7 proxys?
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09:41<amr>but kali bluit at debian
09:41<exfos>so is Ubuntu, but they have a channel for their stuff
09:41<towo^work>based on debian != debian
09:41<amr>but ok ;)
09:41<teward>amr: Kali isn't debian. Based on Debian is not Debian.
09:41<teward>amr: the same logic applies to Ubuntu - based on Debian, but isn't
09:42<teward>(and further downstream Mint based on Ubuntu, but not Ubuntu - as another example of thelogic)
09:43<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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09:44<petn-randall>In the installation guide (, I remember there used to be a bullet point for errata or known installation problems. Am I blind, or did this go into a new document?
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09:46<brandon_>lets get it
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09:47<exfos>Well, that was anticlimactic
09:48<teward>hey, i have a general question. I have a server (Debian Stable, but repoduced on Jessie as well) in a VM with two NICs - one with Internet access and one that is private host-only access on the host system. Is there a way to tell the system which one is the Internet and which is not, thereby specifying "Use this for Internet, and not this other one"
09:50<petn-randall>teward: That is something you have to configure. If both interfaces are configured statically, you'll have to set a default route on one, but not the other. If it's via DHCP, you have to make sure that the DHCP server doesn't offer a default route on one of them.
09:50<KingOfDos>tcpdump -i ethX, and check on which one you'll see traffic? or specify/find the mac-addr in your vm-env
09:50<KingOfDos>and then check your macaddr on the interface?
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09:52<teward>petn-randall: KingOfDos: still not 100% familiar with setting this up via /etc/network/interfaces or other - it's a GUI-less environment, so a small little bit of handholding would be appreciated, pointing me in the right direction
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09:53<teward>petn-randall: it's not hard to specify DHCP/static since ther'es only 1 VM on there - the DHCP lease is the same and for a long eon on either of the virtual interfaces
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09:53<teward>the question is how to set the route and such.
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09:54<teward>also offers the opportunity for me to learn :)
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09:56<Denise>hello all, I have installed debian wheezy 7.8, I need help in connecting a USB cisco AE1000 wireless connection
09:56<petn-randall>teward: How is it currently set up?
09:56<jeivy>teward: you can break ifconfig in steps to specify inet and set route default
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09:57<Denise>looking at network manager in debian
09:58<KingOfDos>teward: just 'forget' that it's virtualized. think about how you would solve that kind of issue with real hardware.
09:59<KingOfDos>first you've got to find which MAC is associated with what NIC.
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10:00<Denise>ok KindOne
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10:01<KingOfDos>that is, if the interfaces are up. you can get the MAC's ifconfig
10:01<KingOfDos>or maybe: ip link show
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10:01<KingOfDos>s/s ifconfig/s via ifconfig/ #fixed
10:02<teward>petn-randall: both DHCP, autoconfigured after detect during installation. both DHCP'd.
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10:02<teward>KingOfDos: never had the issue on barebones hardware before - only have one active NIC in the hardware environments at my network
10:02<teward>hence me asking for support :P
10:02<teward>one moment
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10:03<KingOfDos>teward: one interface on the real hardware? then you've got to use vlans :)
10:03<KingOfDos>and a vlan capable switch
10:03<teward>KingOfDos: hence me bringing up it being ***VIRTUALIZED***
10:03<teward>you missed my point
10:03<teward>the VM has two - one INTERNET nic, and one host-only nic, existing on my laptop
10:03<teward>the INTERNET nic is NAT'd via the virtualization software
10:03<teward>the Host-Only nic, when connected, breaks the ability to reach to the internet
10:03<teward>hence my asking how to specify the INTERNET nic as the default data route
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10:04<teward>out to the internet
10:04<KingOfDos>teward: then you're able to setup the host-only iterface as static, right? :)
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10:04<KingOfDos>or change the interface metric
10:05<KingOfDos>as soon only one interface has a gateway/route defined. that one will be used for internet (via your nat env)
10:05<teward>KingOfDos: i can, yes. It's just got a standard `iface eth1 inet dhcp` that was configured on install
10:05<teward>i can easily reconfigure it to whatever, i just am not sure *how* to define that
10:05<teward>i'm used to the GUI with network manager handling things :P
10:06<teward>(that's from /etc/network/interfaces)
10:06<KingOfDos>so, something like:
10:06<KingOfDos>iface eth1
10:06<KingOfDos>withou a gateway defined
10:07<KingOfDos>if your eth1 is the host-only interface.
10:07<teward>which it is
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10:07<przemek1>Hello my frend
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10:07<przemek1>Hel my
10:07<teward>KingOfDos: so effectively, leave off the 'gateway' configuration... any way to retain the DHCP in this setup, though? I have no issues setting it static, was just curious
10:08<KingOfDos>teward: don't define a gateway in your dhcp server ;]
10:08<KingOfDos>or configure the sysctl. or change the interface metric :)
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10:09<Denise>i think i found it
10:10<Denise># Debian 7 "Wheezy"
10:10<teward>KingOfDos: well the DHCP is the internal DHCP to the virtualization software - VMware - any way to determine the 'gateway' provided from the command line
10:10<Denise>how do i get to the "#" prompt
10:10<jeivy>Denise: su
10:11<KingOfDos>teward: routel
10:11<KingOfDos>or: ip route
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10:11<KingOfDos>and search your 'default'
10:11<AndroUser>dpkg:where are you?
10:11<dpkg>I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986
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10:12<Denise>dpkg is smart
10:12<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Denise
10:12<Denise>guess not
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10:12<AndroUser>dpkg:Denise said u r not smart
10:12<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, AndroUser
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10:12<teward>KingOfDos: ooo interesting - - default route is through eth0
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10:13<przemek1>Does anyone know how to find out which process has the largest burden in terms of system ram
10:13<KingOfDos>teward: you can use 'up', 'pre-up', 'down' and 'pre-down' in the /etc/network/interfaces file.
10:14<KingOfDos>teward: then try to remove the/change the gateway. or change the interface metric :)
10:14<teward>KingOfDos: it'd be nice if it didn't freeze up on me
10:14<KingOfDos>maybe that it's possible to configure dhclient to only accept a 'gateway' on eth1? :)
10:14<exfos>przemek1 are we doing your homework?
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10:14<teward>KingOfDos: eth0 is the correct interface for the default route though
10:14<teward>eth1 is the hostonly
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10:14<KingOfDos>teward: first try to fix the issue manually. without using /etc/network/interfaces
10:15<KingOfDos>teward: ah ok./
10:15*teward scratches head
10:15<teward>KingOfDos: interesting, wasn't working yesterday, working perfect now
10:15*teward shrugs, and throws this in the "No Idea Why It's Working" bin
10:16<KingOfDos>and then you'll reboot the vm. it's broken again
10:16<Denise>teward, i sometimes wonder why it does not work and the same when it does
10:16<KingOfDos>yea indeed
10:16<Denise>hehe KingOfDos
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10:16<teward>KingOfDos: well this was a fresh boot today and it's working
10:16<teward>the test: rebooting now
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10:17<AndroUser>dpkg:rm -R
10:17<dpkg>i don't know, AndroUser
10:17<KingOfDos>teward: could be that your interfaces got swapped around by vmware
10:18<KingOfDos>please take a note on which ethX interface has what mac-address.
10:18<KingOfDos>so you can compare that
10:18<KingOfDos>if that happens, you should write a udev rule.
10:18<teward>KingOfDos: well, it shouldn't be, i set the MACs to be sequential - generated the one on teh NAT'd, and added 1 to the last octet so... *shrugs*
10:19<teward>those haven't changed it looks like
10:19<teward>but meh
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10:19<KingOfDos>which says 'NIC with MAC has to be /dev/ethX'
10:19<teward>it's working now though
10:19<KingOfDos>yea, but i've seen strange issues with vmware ;]
10:19*teward shrugs, then shakes fist at VMware for breaking things in the first place
10:20<KingOfDos>just warning you. so you could investigate/know something, if it happens again.
10:20<teward>KingOfDos: indeed. I can ID by IP range on the interfaces, too, host only is 172.31.1.* in this network so meh
10:20*teward shrugs
10:21<teward>sorry for buggin you all
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10:28<jeivy>all right now
10:29<jeivy>succesfull compiled kernels both server pc and notebook client version 3.2.65
10:29<jeivy>apache ok
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10:32<jeivy>do you know what the best thing about compiling a kernel is?
10:32<jeivy>be able to see Tux on boot :)
10:32<SynrGy>the way it exposes hardware faults faster than anything else?
10:32<SynrGy>oh. i was going a different direction with that
10:32<SynrGy>(also more appropriate to #debian-offtopic :)
10:33<Denise>jeivy, how do I access the AE1000 USB linksys debian drivers without connecting to the internet?
10:33<Denise> this i did this
10:33<Denise>thanks for the information to use su
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10:35<SynrGy>Denise: in general, address new questions to the channel, not to invididuals.
10:36<SynrGy>are you saying you can't install the packages because you have no internet? if so, you download them from another machine and copy them over via USB key or so
10:36<Denise>SynrG, it is a long ongoing conversation, he responded first, thanks for the information, I will start at the begining
10:36<SynrGy>see the link on that page to firmware-ralink, which eventually takes you to the appropriate link to get the deb
10:37<Denise>SynrG, I downloaded debian 7.8 and want to connect using my USb cisco AE1000
10:37<SynrGy>i did see the backlog.
10:37<Denise>the link assumes I already have access to the internet
10:37<Denise>the computer does not have access
10:37<SynrGy>which clearly you do because you're talking to us
10:37<SynrGy>so you download the deb, and use a USB key or so to copy it to the other system.
10:37<Denise>i can either, buy a 20 foot ethernet cable, or temporary move the computer to the module
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10:38<Denise>different computer SynrG
10:38<Denise>i can move the modem and ethernet connection to the other computer temporarily
10:39<jeivy>don't do that
10:39<Denise>SynrG, the computer I am on now only has windows 7
10:39<jeivy>firmware-ralink is supposed to be on the kernel
10:40<Denise>how do i access it ?
10:40<SynrGy>Denise: you have no USB key? yes, i think the fact it's a different computer is self-evident :) i just meant you could download and copy it over.
10:40<SynrGy>jeivy: that's incorrect
10:40<SynrGy>,v firmware-ralink
10:40<judd>Package: firmware-ralink on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43
10:40<Denise>SynrG, where may i download it from using windows 7?
10:40<SynrGy>11:36 < SynrGy> see the link on that page to firmware-ralink, which eventually takes you to the appropriate link to get the deb
10:41<SynrGy>you're doing this for wheezy? if so, follow the wheezy link
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10:41<jeivy>rt2800usb is a driver produced by the rt2x00 project, supporting Ralink 802.11n USB chipsets. Supported devices are listed at the end of this page.
10:41<jeivy>It is included in the mainline Linux kernel since version 2.6.31 and replaces the rt2870sta staging driver in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases.1 Firmware is required and available in the firmware-ralink package.
10:41<SynrGy>then click 'all' under "Download firmware-ralink"
10:41<jeivy>you should tell this to debian maintainers
10:41<SynrGy>jeivy: you're confusing driver and firmware.
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10:42<SynrGy>jeivy: no, she should not
10:42<SynrGy>the firmware is in non-free. therefore it is not installed by default.
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10:43<SynrGy>the driver itself is in the kernel. that's not her problem. the missing firmware is the problem.
10:43<SynrGy>the driver won't operate without it
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10:43<SynrGy>Denise: correct. that's the link
10:43<Denise>so i should use this site?
10:43<Denise>thanks SynrG
10:43<jeivy>you are right
10:43<SynrGy>once you have the deb file, you can xfer it somehow to the other system, then use (as root):
10:44<SynrGy>dpkg -i <nameoffile>
10:44<dpkg>package <nameoffile> is already installed
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10:44<SynrGy>Denise: if you have problems with any of those steps, give us a holler
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10:45<Denise>thanks SynrG and jeivy
10:46<psilocygrin>I've got an issue with an ~embedded x86 system concerning the compilation of linux backports... I know ##linux @ freenode would be a more appropriate venue to ask for support, but my hands are tied on this machine, and I don't have my creds accessible
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10:47<Denise>SynrG, when i click on one of the ftp sites it asks me what to open it with
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10:48<Denise>ok, i am saving it as a *.deb file
10:48<petn-randall>Hi, is there a possibility to skip missing files while checking with sha512sum? I find it very annoying that I have to find the one line with "OK" when verifying downloaded Debian images.
10:48<psilocygrin>I have a debian chroot under openwrt with openwrt's kernel headers installed @ /usr/lib, proper modules in /lib/modules/foo.barr and a config file, but no complete source as openwrt uses wireless-compat for it's wifi subsystem.... headers should suffice, so says the backports wiki, but I'm getting the "headers not installed" specify "KLIB""KLIB_BUILD" message
10:49<psilocygrin>specifying the "KLIB" makes no difference
10:49<psilocygrin>any ideas?
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10:51<psilocygrin>err...sorry, headers @ "/usr/include"
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11:22<Denise>hello all, i downloaded this file to a usb drive and plugged it into the computer I installed debian 7.8 on yesterday, firmware-ralink_0.43~bpo70+1_all.deb
11:23<Denise>how do I install this firmware onto the computer
11:23<Denise>i have a terminal window open
11:23<Denise>logged in as su
11:23<jhutchins>Denise: dpkg -i <path/to/file>
11:23<Denise>i am going to the library later today to get a book on unix
11:23<Denise>thanks jhutchins
11:23<Denise>what is the path?
11:23<jhutchins>Denise The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource:
11:24<Denise>i plugged into a USB port
11:24<Denise>thanks jhutchins
11:24<jhutchins>Denise: The problem with printed guides is that it takes 18 months or more to publish a book, by which time at least some of the details are obsolete.
11:24<Denise>you are so correct jhutchins
11:25<Denise>i did get a book on android which is decent
11:25<Denise>from the library
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11:27<Denise>on windows 7 i can look at the computer and see all of the drives, including the USB drive. What is the parallel command in debian to see the drives on my computer?
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11:28<zsolt9>is there a way to printf() special data type declarations? warning: format ‘%d’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘__suseconds_t’
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11:29<psilocygrin>automount and thunar
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11:30<Denise>thanks psilocygrin
11:33<menace>how does the debian packaging mechanism recognize if the package is a multi-binary or single-binary package
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11:34<Brigo>menace, afaik it does not try it.
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11:35<przemek>It is one of the Polish
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11:36<Piotrq>It is one of the Polish
11:36<menace>Because i try to package a 3rdparty tool, where i override_dh_auto_build and place it in debian/<packagename> which is deleted in dh_prep. And dh_auto_install, which would take the data from debian/<packagename> says if it is a multibinary tool (which it is in practise, though there are mostly shellscripts), i should use dh_install instead of dh_auto_install. but even debian/tmp is deleted by dh_prep and the build result is not in my package... :/
11:37<Piotrq>It is one of the Polish
11:37<menace>i do not understand?
11:38<menace>i do not of any data/file in debian packaging which is named "Polish"?
11:39<exfos>What does it mean Polish?
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11:39<dpkg>from memory, polish is spoken in on (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska ->
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11:40<Piotrq>Does anyone speak Polish
11:40<exfos>They sure seem to speak polish in
11:42<retrospectacus>I think people in Poland speak polish
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11:43<exfos>I heard it was all English speakers there :s
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11:50<jk1>who is not real here?
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11:53<carpediema>ciao ragazzi
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11:53<jk1>Is the president of the united stats is real?
11:53<exfos>Is there something you need me to do?
11:54<blast007>jk1: Do you have a Debian support question?
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11:54<retrospectacus>jk1: I think you are looking for #moocows
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11:55<carpediema>ci sono Italiani???
11:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:41<dpkg>hello, centrx
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13:07<Finetundra>how would I setup an FTP server?
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13:07<centrx>Finetundra, What are you going to use it for?
13:08<Finetundra>having files in an easy to access location
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13:08<retrospectacus>use http
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13:09<retrospectacus>ftp must die
13:09<centrx>in retrospect, I agree
13:09<Finetundra>retrospectacus, how
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13:10<Finetundra>retrospectacus, and why must FTP die?
13:10<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP:
13:11<retrospectacus>greg (wooledge) explains it best
13:12<retrospectacus>ftp is terrible for many reasons. If you want password-protection use sftp (ftp-style interface to ssh)
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13:13<Finetundra>retrospectacus, then are you able to tell me how to set up FTP?
13:14<retrospectacus>why would I? Then it won't die
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13:14<Finetundra>nevermind. i'll be back with questions later
13:14<petn-randall>I like the "1. Yes, Let's Mangle The Data By Default!" XD
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13:15<retrospectacus>nobody rages like greycat
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13:17<miguel>puto irc
13:17<retrospectacus>!irc tutorial
13:17<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
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15:10<Human_G33k>hi i want to know if apt can recompile each package when i install something ?
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15:14<retrospectacus>Human_G33k: not automatically, I don't think. But you can recompile any package if you want
15:14<retrospectacus>it is pointless if you're not changing anything though
15:14<retrospectacus>and will require loads of extra libraries
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15:16<Human_G33k>it is not useless when gcc have some options for your hardware
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15:23<retrospectacus>the time spent compiling would almost certainly greatly exceed any speedup given by recompiling
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15:28<ryouma>no doubt, and i would agree that there's usually no reason to compile in a binary distro, but i'd like to point out that in these types of tradeoffs, it is not the total measure of time, but context also.
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15:32<valdyn>it should be telling that theres no 1 distro based on icc
15:32<SynrGy>Human_G33k: i think you've confused us with gentoo. maybe you would be happier with that distro?
15:33<valdyn>( not even gentoo supports icc I think)
15:33<SynrGy>debian solves what debian solves very well ...
15:33<SynrGy>if you're going to fight the "debian way" you might as well use something else
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15:34<Human_G33k>no i like several things with debian, i just want optimize more my config
15:35<retrospectacus>it already is :) just carry on
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15:35<valdyn>Human_G33k: this is usually microoptimisation, its useless
15:35<Human_G33k>for it can be a option in apt
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15:35<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, recompile is Why have the source available for a kernel if your not going to use it? Dont fear the code, fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to The Dark side (aka windows)
15:36<Denise>ok dpkg
15:36<retrospectacus>!diminishing returns on bogomips
15:36<dpkg>i guess diminishing returns on bogomips is where you spend more time compiling everything, but fare to gain less CPU time than you wasted in the first place. See also <diminishing returns>. Eg., Runtime savings vs compile time wasted.
15:36<valdyn>Human_G33k: its not really that simple
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15:38<noah>Some sites think I'm on mobile
15:40<retrospectacus>noah: what version of Debian? What browser? What site(s)?
15:40<Human_G33k>For me a stable debian it can but usefull, because it's freeze.
15:40<noah>retrospectacus: I am on Kali, based on debian. is one.
15:40<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
15:41<retrospectacus>noah: go to Kali support, or install Debian and see if it still happens
15:41<Human_G33k>it's not like my testing where i install remove purge more than one time in a week
15:41<noah>retrospectacus: Kali is basically Debian.
15:42<noah>retrospectacus: with a few added packages that shouldn't and haven't cause thus problem
15:42<retrospectacus>noah: works fine for me. We can't support Kali
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15:43<retrospectacus>why do people argue about this? Your channel has people too who will help you
15:43<noah>retrospectacus: Unfortunatley their IRC channel is completely empty.
15:43<retrospectacus>noah: there are 279 people there. It's on Freenode like the robot said.
15:44<Human_G33k>a few other question why in debian installer (not the new i never use it) we have no option for choose between the different debian orientations ( science medecine etc ) ?
15:44<retrospectacus>Human_G33k: those "different debian orientations" do not exist
15:45<Human_G33k>Some web pages talk about it
15:45<SynrGy>!based on debian
15:45<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
15:46<valdyn>Human_G33k: this is done via certain packages, not install time selection
15:46<retrospectacus>Human_G33k: debian is just debian. Install the base system and expand from there to be whatever you desire
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15:49<Human_G33k>yes but i think debian can be usefull in several situation but several users choose a other distribution because they doesn't know what free software can solve their pb ( sorry for my en )
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15:50<Human_G33k>Several of them don't want / have the time for search
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15:50<xreal_alt>I've found a bug in a debian script (don't know which exactly) concerning grub-pc. What's the correct way to report?
15:50<Denise>hello all, I am trying install from a USB drive, when i type #mount i get a lot of stuff I do not understand
15:50<SynrGy>if you don't have the time to read the documentation that says "install this metapackage to get all the stuff our blend includes", then they probably aren't good candidates as debian users to begin with
15:51<Denise>i want to dpkg -i <from\the\usb\>
15:51<retrospectacus>Human_G33k: we don't make debian, we just help people to use it. If you want to produce a custom build, go ahead.
15:51<SynrGy>afaik, each blend has one or more metapackages that makes installing it simple
15:51<SynrGy>there's no "searching" to do
15:51<xreal_alt>nick xreal/
15:51<SynrGy>just reading. or are you saying we should be targetting debian at people who don't read?
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15:52<retrospectacus>xreal: reportbug
15:52<xreal>retrospectacus: but then everyone wants me to provide a patch :(
15:52<Human_G33k>for each fork we fork people
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15:52<retrospectacus>Denise: look in "mount" output for a path like /media/some-name-of-usb/ and cd to there
15:52<retrospectacus>xreal: nah
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15:55<retrospectacus>Denise: if your USB is not yet mounted, run "dmesg|tail" and look for sdb1 or sdc or so - then run "mkdir /media/usb && mount /dev/sdc /media/usb" (replacing sdc with whatever you found in dmesg)
15:56<Denise>i appreciate your help retrospectacus
15:57<SynrG>Human_G33k: if you really want to know, see #758116
15:57<xreal>retrospectacus: Actually, the problem is about grub-pc using uuid for mdadm, but I've disabled use of uuid in grub :)
15:57<SynrG>Human_G33k: this is an old, old issue.
15:57<SynrG>older than that bug by far
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16:10<Human_G33k>SynrG ok if i understand well i can reply to this bug to say what i want about Blends ?
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16:13<awal>How to get/make 'fluxbox' prompting 'yes/no or cancel/exit' when clicking in 'exit' in root menu as openbox and many other WM does?
16:14<awal>one can click in 'exit' by error and flux session is exited without advise :(
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16:16<SynrG>Human_G33k: in the 12 years since the *first* bug was filed, nothing has been done. whatever you add, it had better be good stuff.
16:16<SynrG>Human_G33k: read the whole bug to the bottom. find the bug# that was filed in 2003. read that one too ...
16:17<SynrG>"saying what you want about blends" is probably not going to move it forward.
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16:19<retrospectacus>they can't stop you commenting, but they can ignore it :)
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16:20<SynrG>at a certain point, additional discussion actually *harms* stuff getting done about it ...
16:21<SynrG>as people's eyes start to glaze over watching rehash after rehash ...
16:21<Human_G33k>last post i read look saying the same thing as me ? or my en comprehension/expression is worst that i think >_<
16:21<SynrG>so don't just rehash
16:21<SynrG>if you have nothing new to add, just wait and see if those who are closely involved already work something out
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16:22<Human_G33k>ok i going to do that
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16:24<Denise>why i type "#dmesg|tail" i get [20.850729] rt2800usb 2-1:10 firmware:agent aborted loading rt2870.bin (not found), I also get "[3819.481561] rt2800usb 2-1:10 firmware:agent aborted loading rt2870.bin (not found)
16:25<Denise>i do not see sdb ....
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16:26<Denise>i did get a warning installing debian, rt8270.bin or it might have been a warning
16:26<Denise>i just ignored it
16:26<SynrG>you haven't managed to install the .deb from the USB key yet?
16:27<Denise>no SynrG
16:27<SynrG>oh, you're checking to see if your USB is mounted. gotcha ...
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16:27<SynrG>ls -l /dev/disk/by-id will identify which drive is your usb ...
16:27<Denise>thanks, bbl
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16:28<Denise>i have two USB drives, one is for the cisco AE1000 Wireless
16:28<SynrG>this will show a human-readable id (usually) which will help identify the right drive
16:28<Denise>sounds good
16:29<SynrG>most desktops automount drives with automountable filesystems on them ...
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16:30<Denise>i purchased a refurbished intel 64bit desktop windows 7 from micro center for $100
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16:30<Denise>not including a monitor
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16:32<SynrG>did that command help?
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16:35<Denise>SynrG, it does not identify USB drives, but the dmesg|tail recognizes two USB drives but it aborts loading, 'cannot find rt2870.bin'
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16:35<Denise>i have that issue when installing debian 7.8 yesterday
16:36<SynrG>those messages are not about USB drives, but about the wireless you're trying to get working
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16:37<Denise>when i type ls -l /dev/disk/by-id i get sata, ata, part1, part2
16:37<Denise>no USB
16:37<SynrG>what does ls -l /dev/disk/by-id show? it should show something like:
16:37<SynrG>that's correct
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16:38<SynrG>then it's not seeing any usb-* when your usb flash drive is plugged in?
16:38<SynrG>try a different port?
16:39<Denise>doesn't it have to be connected to say this ?
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16:40<Denise>ok maybe it wasn't plugged in, now i get a window brings up a program
16:40<Denise>another port helped
16:40<SynrG>right. so it did automount this time
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16:41<SynrG>it should be somewhere under /media
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16:45<Cpuroast>trying to backport a package
16:45<Cpuroast>getting this error
16:45<SynrG>Denise: hm. waiting for me, or looking into it?
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16:46<Denise>thanks SynrG, you are my best friend now! the AE1000 Cisco USB now comes one
16:46<Denise>i probably did not plug in the USB drive firmly enough
16:47<Denise>i am going to write some android apps
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16:49<Denise>this shows both USB connections now ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
16:49<SynrG> yep
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20:11<reazem>are there issues with python and libssl in debian right now?
20:11<reazem>``ImportError: cannot import name HTTPSHandler``
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