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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-01-24

---Logopened Sat Jan 24 00:00:41 2015
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00:08<gordon24>So, I just bought a new laptop. Got debian installed. Everything worked right out of the box. But I can't seem to disable the tap and click feature. Is there a way to disable it? I've looked online, but every time I open up what they say, I have nothing.. Any help?
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00:13<hd>debian huh.....
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00:15<gordon24>Yep. Wheezy.
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01:18<hd>guess i have values at XChat from Ubuntu Support that gave OP settings to the user opportunity at the software. i was banned.
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01:20<hd>the medals badge on someones "chest" was made by the freedom of my participation at Ubuntu Support irc.
01:20<sney>well, whatever your translated problem is, it's offtopic here
01:20<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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01:20<hd>that gave OP opportunity for the guy. just for the record.
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01:26<hd>Debian Operating System. Never Played before. what a crazy many of programming worlds.
01:27<hd>where can i find like a chat of the many for i post random texting?
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02:33<Guest3059>film ita 2015
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03:37<chmod777>OKAY so im a little confused
03:38<chmod777>i spent an inordinate amount of time studying the file system today and what its supposed to look like
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03:38<chmod777>so I see a txt file in the root directory inside of which is a whole lot of nothing except the word ;mac halfway down
03:39<chmod777>i deleted it thinking OH CLUTTER \
03:39<chmod777>now the second my iphone cord touches the usb slot my entire computer just shuts. down.
03:39<OERIAS>Unity on Debian :D
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03:39<chmod777>WHAT HAPPENED
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03:40<OERIAS>chmod777, you read it
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03:40<chmod777>i read it?
03:40<chmod777>the txt file? it was a text file!
03:41<Nemoder_>I would guess that is unrelated and the powerdown is a hardware problem
03:41<chmod777>what did i do and furthermore what? iphone is built into an installation and if you delete a file associated with it it just BLAH
03:41<chmod777>like huh?
03:42<chmod777>no it definately was working up until i deleted something that included very clearly the word mac
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03:43<chmod777>but like....i thought i was doing something good like getting rid of things that dont belong :(
03:43<chmod777>i thought like i learned something about linux but APPARENTLY i have not
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03:44<chmod777>i mean literally earlier in the day it was plugged in
03:44<chmod777>if its unrelated u couldve fooled me
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03:45<Nemoder_>the machine suddenly powering off is different than going into suspend state or starting the shutdown process. your OS isn't controlling the former
03:46<chmod777>then why is it doing it now out of nowhere?
03:46<Nemoder_>static buildup? no idea
03:46<chmod777>it was the cord
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03:47<Nemoder_>was the other end dragged over a carpet? :)
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03:48<chmod777>no :-/
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03:49<chmod777>so i didnt like delete a text file that made my phone and computer work together
03:49<chmod777>like i did in fact do something useful when i studied exactly what directories and files went where
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03:49<Nemoder_>most PCs will poweroff if they detect a voltage spike or drop
03:50<chmod777>so the cord is now defective? i know the usb slot is fine
03:51<chmod777>i dont get it :-/ the only thing that changed from this morning til now was deleting that i have spent the rest of the time reading a linux book and occasionally testing commands that were innocent
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03:52<chmod777>basically like...running mount to see the output nothing that would affect anything or cause anything just seeing the output
03:52<Nemoder_>did it happen several times? on different ports? with different devices?
03:53<chmod777>im afraid to keep trying as i also have seen several times u dont just KILL LINUX with powering off incorrectly
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03:55<chmod777>ive tried so very hard to do things right :-/
03:55<chmod777>and study each and every thing
03:55<chmod777>this is so very dumb lol
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03:57<chmod777>it was a file called key_to_ and it had the word mac in it
03:57<peter1138>So... just plugging the cord in (no device attached) causes the PC to turn off?
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03:57<chmod777>total loss of power the second it touches
03:58<peter1138>I'd say your cable is broken, shorting out 5v and ground.
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03:59<chmod777>so i wasnt wrong in trying to make my root directory have whats supposed to be there and not random text files?
03:59<peter1138>Well, it's best to try and find out what an unknown file is first.
04:00<peter1138>Especially in / as that's privileged.
04:00<chmod777>i thought i knew what it was
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04:00<chmod777>i thought i was fixing things not breaking them
04:02<chmod777>like oh i learned something let me go make my linux better by applying the knowledge
04:02<chmod777>well if its not what u said and i deleted something important then just...ugh
04:02<chmod777>i guess my phone and computer just dont go together anymore
04:03<chmod777>that wouldnt even come on a fresh install though so im baffled
04:05<chmod777>well inevitably im gonna break stuff i guess
04:05<chmod777>its still all new to me after all
04:07<chmod777>better that stupid phone thing and know the filesystem than not know it and "I dont want /dev" or something way dumber...
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04:24<r00k13>i havce a little bit of an issue with my deb kali
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04:24<r00k13>it hangs on shutdown and reboot
04:24<r00k13>any ideah why ?
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04:26<r00k13>only bots around here ?
04:27<cheapie>dpkg has something about that, but I don't know how to make it talk... I'll just copy/paste it.
04:27<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, cheapie
04:27<cheapie><dpkg> Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
04:27<cheapie>(hopefully somebody can teach me how to work that thing one of these days)
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05:05<SynrG>cheapie: just put an exclamation mark in front of the factoid id:
05:05<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
05:05<cheapie>SynrG: OK, thanks.
05:05<dpkg>Test failed.
05:05<cheapie>Seems to work.
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05:15<evo7>ANICK evolu7ion
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05:24<r00k13>cheapie, thank you very much for your help !
05:24<r00k13>have a great weekend ~
05:24<cheapie>r00k13: Heh, thanks.
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06:05<doebi>how am i supposed to change settings in gnome, if it asks me for root password, but i can't tell since i only know my user's pass who has sudo?
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06:56<valdyn>doebi: why dont you know root's password? because you are using a non-debian system that has no root password?
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07:00<nkuttler>doebi: gksu-properties and switch to sudo?
07:01<peter1138>valdyn, why not a Debian system that has no root password?
07:01<valdyn>peter1138: because thats unlikely?
07:01<peter1138>Is it?
07:02<valdyn>of course
07:02<peter1138>Hmm. Most of my systems have no root password.
07:02<valdyn>peter1138: so?
07:03<valdyn>peter1138: you would not ask that question he asked
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08:49<AxeGorilla>Have been a user of Debian stable for ages in my servers but i have never really got into trying linux for desktop-use, and would be happy to throw windows away even there so i will go with debian because of my good experience in servers. But i guess i need some advice about which version to follow when it comes to a workstation.
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08:59<AxeGorilla>Have read the recommendaions on the website already and i'm thinking of eighter following "testing" or to follow "stable" but install programs from testing/sid repos anyways (mixed dist or what it's called). Any opinions? I don't need a system as rock solid as my servers, a reboot to and from wont kill me. On the other hand i want stability and security at least comparable with my old windows system, and i dont really find m
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09:00<mtn>AxeGorilla: a good thing to read:
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09:03<AxeGorilla>Thx i will have a look
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09:52<findme>Each time I reboot fdisk keeps changing /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1 and so on. How can I persist the disk so that it is always /dev/sda1.
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09:59<AxeGorilla>mtn thx for the link. I guess my first idea of running stable but still install packages from testing/unstable can be skipped really quick :). But the question is still if testing is stable and secure enough for a workstation. If compared with windows i mean. I would never consider anything other than stable or even oldstable in servers. But have no experience at debian as main desktop OS
10:00<mtn>AxeGorilla: well, read the wiki on testing for starters. right now testing is pretty stable, because it is frozen, waiting release. after that , testing is likely to be a wild ride for awhile.
10:00<paxmark9>findme Are your partitons labeled via uuid in /etc/fstab ?
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10:01<findme>paxmark9, no any links on how to do it, I am looking at e2label.
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10:02<paxmark9>google blkid /etc/fstab and maybe add persistent to list
10:02<findme>paxmark9, thanks a lot
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10:05<AxeGorilla>Yeah i know that it's frozen now but i think in long term. It's kinda difficult choise to make because i guess most ppl want as bleeding edge as possible for desktops. But i dont want a system who crashes once a week or a really insecure one. I know it must be impossible to answer but my wounderings is like if you compare stability and security of always following debian testing vs running windows
10:06<AxeGorilla>I don't need that much stability in a desktop as in a server
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10:06<mtn>AxeGorilla: if you don't want to be responsible for fixing broken packages, etc, use stable
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10:09<AxeGorilla>Ok so stable is the recommendation even for workstations. I guess i can use backports for just the programs i really need new versions of thu.
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10:10<mtn>AxeGorilla: yes, that is a good way to do things if you are interested in using the computer, not working/fixing on it.
10:11<paxmark9>AxeGorilla - If you run servers you probably are up to starting with testing in its present state and just change all instances of testng in your /etc/apt/sources.list to Jessie to stay on stable.
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10:12<AxeGorilla>I might be interested in fixing stuff later on but to be honest i have too little experience for now. Have only used linux for server solutions e.g set up the system and focus on web developing
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10:15<macrobat>AxeGorilla: I used unstable for more than a year. "unstable" means it's a moving target, not that it will crash
10:15<AxeGorilla>paxmark9 i dont plan to run this on a server. For that i already use debian stable. But if i have jessie in my repos will it continue to follow stable when jessie become stable without a dist-upgrade?
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10:18<paxmark9>Axe If your repos point to Jessie, you will stay with Jessie after the freeze and get all the security updates timely. I often jump into testing during a freeze and stayed with it when it went stable.
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10:42<AxeGorilla>paxmark9 ok thats sounds like the best option for me to start with then. But if i understand you correctly i shall install wheezy, point my repos to jessie, don't do dist-upgrade? Because i read that its really hard to go from testing to stable again. Maybe i have misunderstood you
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10:44<mtn>AxeGorilla: if you are going to switch to jessie, you would do a dist-upgrade. then there will be no going back to stable
10:45<mtn>AxeGorilla: if you want stable, put wheezy in your sources.
10:46<mtn>AxeGorilla: though, one of these days, jessie will be the new stable.
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10:48<mtn>AxeGorilla: make sense or even more confusing?
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10:49<AxeGorilla>Ok then i misunderstood. I believed that if i have jessie (and not testing) in repos it will follow jessie even when it become stable. But it dosn't make any sense because it's not recommended to in
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10:50<AxeGorilla>And if i do dist upgrade i cant go back as you said
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10:52<mtn>AxeGorilla: yes, if you use jessie, it will follow jessie, which one day will be the new stable. always use dist-upgrade when running the current testing, which now is jessie.
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10:57<AxeGorilla>Yes i'm with you so far. But if i do a dist-upgrade to jessie now, and just keep it in my repos, it will not be any conflicts when it become stable? I dont know how to explain what i mean. E.g starting with frozen testing, and when it become stable just change repos to stable to continue following stable without need of reinstall
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10:58<mtn>AxeGorilla: if you have jessie, keep doing dist-upgrade, it will become stable without doing anything else, when the time comes.
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11:02<AxeGorilla>I read about never go from testing to stable therefore it doesnt sounded quite right. But to be overclear: i can go from frozen testing to stable without any problems (because its the same system)?
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11:04<mtn>AxeGorilla: you are confusing terms. there is only one stable at any given time. so you can't go from current testing to current stable. however, if you are using the current testing (jessie at this time), it will sooner or later become stable.
11:05<mtn>AxeGorilla: so if you are doing dist-upgrades, jessie will automagically become stable when it is ready
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11:13<AxeGorilla>Ok now i understand thank you. Sorry for confusing you, i mean ofc to go from current testing to next stable. It will say jessie but stable, so i after that can point my repos to stable instead of jessie. What confused me was that i read on debian wiki that once you do a dist upgrade to testing there is no going back to stable. But there will still not be any problem to go from current testing to next stable when it become s
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11:15<mtn>AxeGorilla: don't use "stable" in your sources, use "wheezy".
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11:24<AxeGorilla>Yes i dont know where i got stable in the repos from. Well thanks for helping me out even if i looked a bit stupid for a while :). Now i understand that when current sid become testing, i can jump on that and do dist-upgrade whenever i want and it will follow that distro even when it become stable and so on. The same way it must be for upgrading from squeeze to wheezy etc?
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11:26<AxeGorilla>But what's really wrong with having stable instead of wheezy in repos it seems to work due to google
11:26<mtn>AxeGorilla: well, if you have "stable", one day it will upgrade and partially update to the "new" stable, aka jessie.
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11:28<AxeGorilla>Yes but i dont see why that should be a problem as long as you do dist-upgrade as soon as a new stable is taking place
11:29<mtn>AxeGorilla: take my word for it or don't. your choice. good luck.
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11:32<AxeGorilla>I didn't mean to be rude or so if you took it that way. English is not my first language so my grammar sometimes messes up things a lot. Ofc i listen to what you say because you seem to have much more experience. It was more of a question why there is a problem as long as the dist-upgrade is done when testing become stable
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11:42<oldlaptop>AxeGorilla: There isn't a problem if you do that, in theory anyhow. In practice it's much too easy to screw up
11:42<oldlaptop>better to not give yourself extra problems to avoid
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11:45<babilen>AxeGorilla: It simply causes partial upgrades and other problems if people don't pay attention. It is simply a much better idea to use a configuration that forces you to intentionally upgrade. Also an upgrade between releases isn't as easy as "a dist-upgrade" and people are strongly encouraged to follow the procedure layed out in the release notes.
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12:47<asklepian>ok, I'm adding wifi drivers to my otherwise internet-less machine and I can't find the proper documentation to do a manual install on the wiki... do I need the .deb files or the tar.xz files?
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13:27<asklepian> can someone help me build the firmware-b43-installer package manually? the script calls for a file download (which I can't do until I install firmware-b43-installer) but I've downloaded the file on another machine and transferred it to the machine in question and I need to refer the firmware-b43-installer script to the directory the file is in rather than trying to download it..... how do I do that?
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14:27<gloriousgeorges>welcome back
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14:27<gloriousgeorges>is it matter of queue ?
14:27<gloriousgeorges>is it a matter of queue ?
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14:39<gloriousgeorges> isn't there any officiel "cisco packet" tracert
14:39<gloriousgeorges>in debian repo ?
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14:40<asklepian>can someone help me build the firmware-b43-installer package manually? the script calls for a file download (which I can't do until I install firmware-b43-installer) but I've downloaded the file on another machine and transferred it to the machine in question and I need to refer the firmware-b43-installer script to the directory the file is in rather than trying to download it..... how do I do that?
14:42<ompaul>dpkg -i foo.deb
14:42*dpkg installs foo.deb into ompaul's head with a bone saw and a few screws
14:42<asklepian>ompaul so when I do that it tries to download a file
14:43<asklepian>it can't download the file because I'm not connected to the internet
14:43<ompaul>you download it elsewhere
14:43<asklepian>so I downloaded the file for it and copied it to the directroy
14:43<asklepian>and I just need to know how to point the .deb file to the .tar.bz2 file it's trying to download
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14:50<ompaul>you don't what you do is dpkg -i the package
14:50<ompaul>and it will take care of itself
14:51<ompaul>why would you build software if you can download the file
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14:56<asklepian>I have 2 machines
14:56<asklepian>one can connect to the internet
14:57<asklepian>the one I'm trying to connect to the internet needs this package
14:57<asklepian>when I use dpkg to install the package it immediately tries to download a file
14:57<mitt>hi, I've got somewhat ugly fonts in my Firefox (Iceweasel) and there is the same in Midori, but in Chromium it's fine. if I zoom very much they look fine
14:58<asklepian>I already downloaded the file with my connected machine and am trying to point the .deb file to it on my unconnected machine so that it doesn't fail when trying to download a file it already has
14:58<mitt>if changing to custom fonts, on many sites with custom design they look even uglier
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15:02<asklepian>dpkg uses wget to try to download the file in question what directory would this download to? maybe I can copy the file there to prevent it from downloading
15:02<dpkg>asklepian: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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15:02<asklepian>dpkg shutup
15:02<dpkg>No! You can STFU yourself! The voice of truth cannot be silenced! Oh, except perhaps in China...
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15:07<mitt>Apollo, nothing had changed, I´ve had this file already seems like, it created a link
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15:07<mitt>actually on other languages it´s fine
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15:20<James>hi i am new
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15:20<lostatwork>hi I am old
15:20<AliExploit>i am new user
15:21<AliExploit>what a report
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15:22<asklepian>how do I view/edit/chage a .deb file?
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15:22<asklepian>I'm googling the hell outta this and getting nowhere
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15:23<dondelelcaro>asklepian: dpkg-deb is the command that can do all of that
15:23<AliExploit>you first download one program
15:23<dondelelcaro>asklepian: but generally, you shouldn't need to modify a .deb directly; you usually modify the source package and then rebuild the .deb fle.
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15:24<AliExploit>question from hack i ansewer
15:24<asklepian>dondelelcaro thanks but there's only a .deb file not a source package
15:24<ompaul>asklepian: if it wasn't obvious stick it on a stick you can copy it into /var/cache/apt/archive but frankly installing it from your home directory or roots or anywhere will work
15:25<AliExploit>hacking wifi with handshake
15:25<dondelelcaro>AliExploit: what's your actual Debian question?
15:25<ompaul>asklepian: you don't need to compile
15:25<asklepian>firmware-b43-installer 19 is what I'm trying to install
15:25<ompaul>asklepian: I'll leave it with you
15:25<asklepian>if you take a look, you'll see that one of the first things it does is try to download a package with wget
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15:26<AliExploit>i'm a little speek english
15:26<xreal>A question to the Debian gurus: When using "/etc/locale.gen, locale-gen and update-locale", debconfig-database doesn't have a clue about the settings. Is this a problem?
15:26<asklepian>the file it tries to download is here:
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15:27<asklepian>I just need to keep it from downloading that file since I can't connect to the internet
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15:27<asklepian>I don't think I'm being clear
15:28<ompaul>asklepian: ^^ do that and carry the packages you need with you on a usb stick
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15:28<asklepian>ompaul I've done that
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15:29<asklepian>try it yourself
15:29<AliExploit>Anyone here knows hacking؟؟؟
15:29<ompaul>asklepian: why - I don't have broadcom
15:29<asklepian>apt-get install firmware-b43-installer and watch the output
15:29<asklepian>so you can see what I'm talking about
15:29<asklepian>you can remove it just as easily
15:29<asklepian>the installer file runs wget and downloads a package
15:30<asklepian>my machine cannot connect to the internet and so the install fails
15:30<AliExploit><xreal> yes
15:30<AliExploit>with DVB Cart
15:31<xreal>AliExploit: is there a work-around to fix it ?
15:31<AliExploit>Signal hacking
15:31<ompaul>asklepian: well if it runs wget you might read the package name and grab that
15:32<asklepian>ompaul I've done that
15:32<ompaul>was it a .deb ?
15:32<AliExploit>me question is not answer
15:32<asklepian>but the install script will handle it if I can point the installer to that file
15:33<asklepian>it's sitting in the same directory that I'm running the firmware-b43-installer file from but it doesn't find it there
15:33<asklepian>so I want to look inside the .deb installer and see where it's trying to download the file to with wget
15:33<asklepian>...and copy it there
15:33<AliExploit>Here is one of his bugtraq
15:34<asklepian>AliExploit I totally read that as "buttrag"
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15:35<asklepian>and I totally can't read that at all
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15:36<Yatekii>Guys help pls!! apt tries to remove packages in total of 200mb including postfix, owncloud, etc. I never ordered that :S
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15:36<Yatekii>it says that those packages have been broken and fixed and it will now remove them :S
15:36<Yatekii>Can anyone help me?
15:36<Yatekii>I am really concerned
15:36<Yatekii>its like 50 packages
15:36<Yatekii>I didn't tall it to do anything :S
15:37<robalni>asklepian: try to put "alias wget='pwd; echo'" in your .bashrc file and then run the install script.
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15:37<asklepian>robalni I'm not sure I understand
15:37<ompaul>asklepian: no connectivity bcm43 debian how to <<<was a search I did - then I read that then I read and somewhere in there you will find the promised land - however installing without wired connection to that particular chipset is horrid
15:38<asklepian>robalni where is my .bashrc file?
15:38<exfos>asklepian ~/.bashrc
15:38<robalni>That will replace wget with printing the working directory and then show you the wget arguments
15:39<asklepian>...and to what line do I add alias wget='pwd; echo' ?
15:39<asklepian>or do I append?
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15:40<exfos>.bashrc file will be run every time you open bash;
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15:41<aexl>hi. could anybody help me with recoll?
15:42<exfos>Post your problem and let's see what we can do
15:43<Yatekii>guys, can anyone help? :S
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15:44<asklepian>so, I appended and nothing happened...
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15:44<exfos>did you restart bash?
15:44<robalni>asklepian: Did the installer still try to download files?
15:45<asklepian>robalni it did
15:45<asklepian>but I don't see the working directory printed out
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15:49<aexl>is it possible in recoll to format the results so that unimportant data is not shown. i mean if i search for foo and it shows "foo bar" i'm not interested in bar. i know that i can set Abstract Size and Abstract Context Words but if I set the first to low the search query is not even shown. (i should show a longer example.)
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15:54<Yatekii>guys anyone here can help me with aptitude??
15:54<aexl>text: "foo bar baz qux quux corge grault garply waldo fred plugh xyzzy thud".
15:55<aexl>i'm searching for garply but it shows "foo bar baz ... grault garply waldo ..."
15:55<aexl>i'm not interested in the first abstract.
15:55<mtn>Yatekii: if you ask someone may know
15:55<aexl>Yatekii: state your problem.
15:55<Yatekii>mtn I asked yet but nobody reacted so I tried again without writing the whole lines again
15:55<asklepian>exfos ahh, just saw your comment
15:55<asklepian>how do I restart bash?
15:55<Yatekii>apt tries to remove packages in total of 200mb including postfix, owncloud, etc. I never ordered that :S
15:55<Yatekii>it says that those packages have been broken and fixed and it will now remove them :S
15:56<aexl>Yatekii: apt or aptitude?
15:56<mtn>Yatekii: which version of debian?
15:56<exfos>Just close terminal, and start it again
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15:56<aexl>what does "apt -f install" say?
15:57<asklepian>exfos I'm at the cli
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15:58<exfos>Ah, you can just do . ~/.bashrc
15:58<mtn>Yatekii: please paste the entire command and results to and give us the link
15:58<exfos>to run bashrc
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15:59<aexl>i rather do "source ~/.bashrc"
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16:00<Yatekii>mtn: I just started aptitude and pressed g and now it looks like this:
16:00<Yatekii>and before there was a message ala "these packages have been broken and fixed and thus will be removed"
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16:00<Yatekii>cant reproduce the message
16:01<exfos>Yatekki, your link is broken :s
16:01<Yatekii>but the cahnges are still in the pipeline
16:01<mtn>Yatekii: first, what are you trying to do? upgrade?
16:01<Yatekii>oh darn sorry
16:01<Yatekii>mtn no, I started aptitude to install something but then that mesage I told about popped and it tried to make all those changes
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16:02<Yatekii>I didnt do ANYTHING but sudo aptitude in the bash
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16:02<mtn>Yatekii: how about in a terminal: aptitude install whatever
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16:02<Yatekii>no I didnt
16:02<Yatekii>I use apt-get for that
16:02<Yatekii>except I don't know the specific name
16:02<Yatekii>then I use aptitude
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16:02<mtn>Yatekii: please do and lets see what happens. make sure to do apt-get update first.
16:02<Yatekii>which I now tried to search for libbzip2
16:03<Yatekii>what if it removes all those packages
16:03<Yatekii>will brick my mailserver etc
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16:04<mtn>Yatekii: it won't, it will ask you what to do, etc. paste to the paste site, etc. etc.
16:04<mtn>Yatekii: can't troubleshoot without any info
16:04<Yatekii>that's rigth
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16:04<Yatekii>ok so Ill do sudo apt-get libbzip2-dev
16:05<mtn>Yatekii: do update first,ok?
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16:05<valdyn>Yatekii: run "aptitude install postfix owncloud", see what that would do
16:06<Yatekii>I did update :)
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16:06<Yatekii> installation worked like a charm, aptitude still tries to uninstall :S
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16:07<mtn>Yatekii: well, I don't use aptitude that way, so will not be of any help with that interface.
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16:07<Yatekii>mtn, yeah It just worries me
16:07<Yatekii>I also only use it to browse
16:07<valdyn>Yatekii: looks like you need to run "aptitude upgrade"
16:08<mtn>or dist-upgrade
16:08<aexl>use "axi-cache search" for browsing
16:09<Yatekii>what is dist-upgrade again?
16:10<mtn>Yatekii: man aptitude or man apt-get
16:10<mtn>Yatekii: if you run jessie, you should use dist-upgrade
16:11<Yatekii>why not full-upgrade?
16:11<Yatekii>and it worries becasue man tells me it contains removing not needed packages
16:11<Yatekii>and I don't want that
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16:13<mtn>Yatekii: as the release advances, some packages are removed from it, so it keeps things cleaned up.
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16:13<aexl>just don't use aptitude.
16:14<valdyn>theres no problem really, you just dont know how to use aptitude. But you can just stick to apt-get too
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16:14<Yatekii>aptitude is trying to remove postfix (and other packages like php, mysql etc) without reason
16:15<Yatekii>that is NOT me doing BS
16:15<Yatekii>it's just aptitude
16:15<valdyn>Yatekii: it does not do that without reason
16:15<Yatekii>ah yeah so I prtessed - on 50+ packages without recognizing I am doing that
16:15<valdyn>Yatekii: no you didnt do that, you simply dont know how to use aptitude
16:16<valdyn>Yatekii: ( I don't either, im really to lazy to read up on what it does when exactly, just so you can be spared from reading the docs)
16:17<valdyn>Yatekii: usually you issue has something to do with aptitude marking packages as "should be installed" when apt does not have the same packages marked as such
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16:17<aexl>what does synaptic say. i find this even more user friendly. (though i prefer apt-get for daily use.)
16:18<mtn>Yatekii: yes, using synaptic might save your hair falling out ;)
16:18<valdyn>Yatekii: the main thing you should take away ffrom this is: use aptitude generally or use apt-get generally, dont alternate
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16:18<seeS>yah flip flopping can sometimes lead to odd results
16:19<mtn>Yatekii: I never use aptitude by itself, I always do aptitude install or aptitude search or whatever
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16:20<aexl>synaptic will also normally not just mark packages. even if you press -. and it's quite neat for browsing. (though i think axi-cache is enough.)
16:20<Yatekii>ok ty :)
16:21<Yatekii>valdyn: yeah but then it's not about not knowing aptitude but more the two tools interferring ;)
16:21<Yatekii>(yeah sure I am noob, but that interferrence is not about "not knowing")
16:21<valdyn>Yatekii: maybe, maybe not, i cant say for your specific issue
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16:22<mtn>I doubt it has anything to with any interference
16:22<aexl>someone who "really knows" this might solve this. but there's no one her i guess.
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16:22<valdyn>Yatekii: one can alternate both tools just fine, but it needs alot more knowledge on *each* of those tools than just knowing and using 1
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16:22<valdyn>the solution is easy: just mark the packages how you want them
16:22<aexl>anywho. someone able to solve my recoll problem?^^
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16:31<Yatekii>valdyn: yeah well I do that normally but now it marked for me and thats my issue ;) or what do you mean by mark them as you want them?
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16:42<aexl>is my hardware failing?
16:42<aexl>i've also had segfaults and traps on gnome-shell. i'm on debian 7.8.
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16:50<valdyn>Yatekii: yea it marked some packages. I mean that you can just mark those again as you want.
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16:52<jemu>hi, i have no "new message notification sound" with empathy 3.12.7-1 (jessie) how can i debug that?
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16:54<aexl>jemu: start empathy in terminal
16:55<valdyn>aexl: just your nic, we cant know if this is a driver or hardware error, as usual with such messages
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16:57<aexl>valdyn: thanks. but it's the second time in four days.
16:57<sney>then it is likely to be a hardware problem
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16:58<aexl>gnome-shell is also making some problems:
16:58<aexl>"Jan 18 10:27:12 homepc kernel: [134708.762197] gnome-shell[6978] trap stack segment ip:7f82fc188da3 sp:7fff3b482650 error:0 in[7f82fc144000+129000]
16:58<aexl>Jan 24 15:24:14 homepc kernel: [379365.437254] gnome-shell[6458] trap stack segment ip:7f1bb689fda3 sp:7ffff8d07230 error:0 in[7f1bb685b000+129000]
16:58<aexl>Jan 13 22:36:39 homepc kernel: [126694.128475] gnome-shell[30643]: segfault at 15078 ip 00007fb8bab1c045 sp 00007ffff3ca1948 error 4 in[7fb8baa93000+182000]"
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17:01<sney>aexl: test your ram, run a good 8-hour test on it
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17:01<seeS>is it always clutter?
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17:02<aexl>these are the only logs i could find. but it happened more often.
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17:03<seeS>wow thats an unhappy computer
17:03<aexl>i'll see. after 7.5 years i guess it's okay if it fails.^^
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17:04<seeS>i had something like that, it was the mb
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17:05<aexl>pc before that failed after 5 years (ebay buy ...). so i think that's fine.
17:06<aexl>though it was probably only the psu in that one.
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17:13<Iridos>if you have a spare ethernet card...
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17:14<Iridos>I don't see though how those messages would go together with segfaults
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17:14<aexl>ethernet and gnome-shell are two different problems.^^
17:15<Iridos>I mean I don't see what single hardware component would create both
17:15<Iridos>well, some weird bus or cpu problems
17:15<Iridos>or that
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17:16<ryouma>i have a wheezy installation in virtualbox. i install and run chromium and pepperflashplugin-nonfree. i go to the music player just spins and spins and does not go anywhere. what else do i need to do?
17:16<sney>if your memory is bad, bit flips mess everything up
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17:19<awal>ryouma, have you checked if uses flash or something different for streaming? you may need 'gecko-mediaplayer pack' for install extra plugins such as the windows media, divx...
17:20<aexl>ram is "relatively" new. oh i just put out some very old modules from work. (i built these in to get more ram. but they are slow.)
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17:21<sney>red ram, blue ram, old ram, new ram. it all goes bad sometimes. use memtest for a few hours and find out for sure
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17:22<aexl>sney: you have a command line with that?
17:22<Iridos>anyway... at that age probably not worth getting replacements
17:23<aexl>i've still got the original modules (2x512 i believe^^).
17:23<dpkg>To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester (userspace utility), all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live> CD/DVD images. See also <grub2 badram>.
17:24<sney>I think it's also in the boot mode on the installer.
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17:25<Iridos>yes, it's a nuisance because you have to boot into it
17:25<aexl>oh yeah i could try that. was just asking if i have to "memtest -t -f -y -m 512 -s 10000" or whatever ...
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17:25<Iridos>I kind of prefer memtester because it works in a running system
17:25<Iridos>obviously it cannot test 100% of the ram
17:27<aexl>does it take less time if i boot into it?
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17:32<aexl>so memtester. wow it's resource hungry. i think i'll try the boot option.
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17:33<aexl>there are already some (!) services running.^^
17:34<aexl>uh boinc: fork: Cannot allocate memory ...
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17:38<Iridos>obviously, memtester can only test the memory that it has allocated, being a userspace tool...
17:38<ryouma>awal: it is flash afaik
17:39<Iridos>and so also obviously you have to make it try to allocate all the memory that is free... and to have as much free memory as possible
17:39<Iridos>because everything that is blocked by kernel or programs sitting it it, cannot be tested
17:40<aexl>sure. will try the boot option. still have my smartphone ...
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17:44<greenfox>hi, i want to receive fax with a hp1522nf and send them to an email account. i searched the internet and found only older messages that say "currently not possible"
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17:44<greenfox>has this changed?
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17:45<awal>ryouma, I confirm what you say using chromium. but using iceweasel, songs are redirected to 'rdio and spofy' websites using iceweasel.
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17:47<valdyn>greenfox: hp1522nf has got what to do with debian?
17:48<greenfox>its an all in one printer. the question is: does debian support this printer to receive fax and send them as email
17:49<valdyn>greenfox: the printer does that all by itself, the fax reception
17:49<awal>ryouma, I used years ago when it was free. but stopped bcuz one must pay now, exept germany and usa. there is an app made specially for and it's in debian repos but I no remember the name. also rhythmbox and other audio/video playaers include plugins. check them
17:49<valdyn>greenfox: otherwise it wouldnt be a fax
17:49<greenfox>valdyn, it does not send emails
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17:50<greenfox>valdyn, for this i want a box that runs debian
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17:51<valdyn>greenfox: if it cant send faxes to debian, then debian cant fix that.
17:51<valdyn>greenfox: (be that via email or whatever)
17:52<valdyn>greenfox: you best check the documentation about that, and only then I can see if debian can recieve what that mfp sends
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17:53<greenfox>with windows, the printer can send fax to the pc...
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17:53<greenfox>but the software does not allow to send emails
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17:55<valdyn>greenfox: you already set up sending faxes from debian?
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17:58<greenfox>valdyn, no, but hplip is supporting sending fax from pc
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18:04<valdyn>greenfox: probably does this:
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18:06<ryouma>awal: thanks for thinkinga bout it. my understanding and experience is that those music players do *not* work with the free version of (in my country is free). is that incorrect? i am trying to get to work using any application or browser, but i don't trust flash and want it sandboxed.
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18:07<crespy>I thought last fm had ceased being free in any real sense ages ago and I think it only works with a few favourite scrobblers now
18:09<crespy>I thought it was only free on the website now? At least I think that's the case in the UK
18:09<ryouma>i thought it worked fine if you run flash and live in countries where it is free
18:09<ryouma>it did for me a year ago, but i am unwilling to run adobe flash just to find out. and gnash does not work.
18:09<ryouma>(that is without sandboxing. i am /trying/ to get to work.)
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18:10<crespy>It might do. I haven't used it for ages.
18:10<greenfox>valdyn, i cannot find the option for that in the printer web interface. maybe its a 8500+ option
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18:11<ryouma>crespy: yes, i suspect it is only free on the website, thus those music players will not work and thus i need to find a way to sandbox flash and get it to work. but i can't even get chromium + pepperflash to work.
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18:22<awal>ryouma, I have no idea if music players can play free version of I no use it. apt-cache shows 'shell-fm and zomg' apps for try them. also, years ago, when was free, there is a mozilla ddon. now no idea. i no use
18:23<ryouma>zomg just submits tracks
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18:24<ryouma>lastfm should work according to an old ubuntu page but does not
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18:25<awal>grooveshark is another great site, ryouma
18:26<greenfox>valdyn, thanks for your help. i think i will get a 56k modem
18:26<awal>i think html5 is being implemented gradually
18:29<awal>ryouma, you may want suscribe to for 1 month or 2 and download the maximum songs you can then stop subscription. years ago it was like $3 us/month
18:29<awal>3 dollars is nothing but it's a principe question...
18:30<ryouma> html5 does not produce any music in iceweasel
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18:33<awal>check the site and html5 version is available. i no remember where/how exactly but I used it months ago and it works for a high percentage of grooveshark songs
18:33<ryouma>using the html5 version
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18:34<awal>I believe is interesting because you can choose what to listen; but me I use audacious or radiotray and I listen to radios, ...
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18:36<awal>I almost use youtube-dl for download from youtube then convert to ogg using avconv
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18:41<awal>ryouma, are you sure 'lastfm' pack wont work beeing in a country where is free?
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18:42<ryouma>awal: i tried it and it always says that radio station is no longer available. it connects to the account just fine.
18:42<awal>I used that pack when was free for my country and worked just fine.
18:42<awal>like 2 or 3 years ago
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18:47<awal>so no idea, sorry. my last suggestion is
18:49<awal>if you don't care about using mozilla upstream addons not maintained by debian xul-extenssions team...
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18:53<ryouma>i suspect any use of api will not work
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18:57<mirur>hi! is there any downside for me to install debian with the multiarch release?
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19:05<awal>!multi-arch installer
19:05<dpkg>The multi-arch installer contains binary packages for both i386 and amd64, and architecture is chosen at install time. This does not automatically enable <multiarch>. See
19:06<awal>mirur, ^
19:07<mirur>I take it there is no real downside then
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19:09<awal>mirur, your goal is have a debian system with both i386 & amd64 architectures enabled ?
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19:09<awal>enabled and supported simultaneously?
19:10<mirur>some apps (like Steam) seem to require i386. but amd64 seems to be the way to go in terms of virtualization and memory usage etc
19:11<mirur>so if multiarch make everything simple, why not, I was thinking
19:12<awal>for now I think multi-arch enabled automatically and both architectures coexisting simultaneously is a goal in debian project; not yet implemented
19:13<mirur>I see.
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19:13<awal>that's mentioned somewhere in multi-arch entry in debian wiki
19:14<mirur>yes, I read that too.
19:14<mirur>also, when it comes to maintaining (updating) apps etc - is Synaptic something you would recommend?
19:14<mirur>for a beginner.
19:16<awal>check #multiarch channel and there you probably can get more info
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19:20<awal>mirur, there is nothing special you can do with synaptic and not with apt/aptitude/dpkg/dselect in console mode. probably synaptic is easier yeah
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19:21<awal>but you learn more using terminal. it's faster, more powerful and you have control about deps/recommends... and all what you do
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19:23<mirur>I was just concerned with keeping stuff up to date
19:24<mirur>I imagine I'll have to do that manually if i use apt get
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19:24<mirur>or does aptitude update regularly make that happen?
19:25<cyrax>mirur: the command "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" keeps everything up to date
19:26<mirur>right, so apt-get is the text version of aptitude, and synaptic is just a GUI version of aptitude basically?
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19:26<awal>or "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade"
19:27<awal>mirur, you can ask dpkg about all that
19:29<awal>just type /msg dpkg aptitude, apt...
19:29<cyrax>mirur: this is a fantastic resource
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19:30<mirur>thanks! not sure how I've missed that with all my related googlings. "Discovery to Mastery" - sounds good anyway :)
19:31<mirur>6.4. Frontends: aptitude, synaptic !
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19:32<somiaj>yea many like synaptic, sometimes it dones't play nice with apt/aptitude, but I think that may be problems of the past
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19:34<mirur>I want a mixture of challenge and user-friendly
19:35<mirur>tried Linux Mint but that felt more like a Windows replacement
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19:36<somiaj>again synaptic is fine, I just think sometimes it's updates don't effect apt's database. I would sugegst using the ncurses aptitude enviorment if that is fine for you. But use synamptic if that is what you like
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19:36<somiaj>I was just giving a warning that maybe one day you will run into (though things are always evolving so it may not be much of an issues as it was when I last ran into it)
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19:38<mirur>I'll try to use apt-get as far as I can
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20:09<mirur>sources.list uses top url first if you just use sudo apt-get?
20:10<mirur>i.e you want security.debian listed before ftp.debian
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20:14<somiaj>mirur: it uses a priority system you can configure with pinning, check apt-cache policy
20:15<somiaj>I'm unsure what it uses if things are equal priority, I think the highest version, and if two servers hvae the same version (which is the highest) maybe the first
20:15<mirur>I noticed they have different tags after, wheezy and wheezy/updates etc
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20:18<icenetplay>hola soy nuevo estoy usando huayra
20:18<icenetplay>en pc escritorio es estable aprendo poco a poco
20:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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20:25<mirur>how can I check if I'm running GNOME 2 or 3?
20:26<sney>'apt-cache policy gnome-core' though if you have debian 7 or later, you're running gnome 3
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20:27<mirur>it failed to load through vmware and defaulted an older version
20:28<mirur>but seeing screenshots it would seem that is still the case
20:29<sney>the "older version" you're seeing is gnome-fallback
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20:29<sney>it's still gnome3, it just looks like gnome2 because it can't do compositing on vmware
20:30<sney>at least not by default.
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20:31<somiaj>yea fall-back mode looks a lot like gnome3
20:31<somiaj>arg 2
20:32<mirur>trying the "solution" and I wasn't sure what it'd look like if I succeeded :)
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20:48<cyrax>will jessie have lxqt ? I did not see any mention in the debian package search
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22:05<squirrel`>i guess this isnt a social channel
22:06<squirrel`>but people on efnet are very mean
22:06<exfos>It can be wahat ever you want it to be ;)
22:06<exfos>As long as it stays on the topic of Debian, and only Debian.
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22:06<squirrel`> distro is debian based
22:07<exfos>That'll be good enough... for now
22:07<squirrel`>i actually have kind of an off-topic question that maybe theres a tool you can recommend
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22:08<squirrel`>i have an external 1tb usb drive i used for my 360. but i got a hard drive for my 360 and now want to use my drive for my computer but it wont let me format
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22:08<exfos>Do you want to keep the data on the usb?
22:08<exfos>Have you tried using Gparted?
22:09<exfos>and how did that turn out
22:09<squirrel`>i deleted the partition but it wont let me create one
22:09<exfos>did it show any errors?
22:09<squirrel`>well i can retry it now and see if it gives a code
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22:10<squirrel`> wont automount
22:10<squirrel`>im still learning.
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22:10<stderr>If you deleted the partition, what would it mount?
22:10<squirrel`>but usually i have no problem with pnp.
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22:11<exfos>I don't think you even need to mount the hard drive
22:11<exfos>for gparted to see it
22:11<squirrel`>shouldnt it show at least a drive
22:11<squirrel`>true true
22:11<squirrel`>my logic is failing haha
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22:12<exfos>I've no idea. Never had a problem with gparted
22:12<squirrel`>well i went to device and selected msdos. before i didnt but it still let me attempt to make a new partition. this time it didnt
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22:13<squirrel`>well ill be damned
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22:13<squirrel`>must be a bug in gparted
22:13<exfos>Did it work now?
22:14<exfos>when you delete everything on the key, are you able to re-format it?
22:14<squirrel`>the weird thing is i was able to use it on a windows machine and copy to it. but nix didnt see any files
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22:14<squirrel`>its formatted now
22:15<stderr>What kind of filesystem?
22:15<squirrel`>the first time i deleted the partition. then proceeded to created a new part and it let me try to format to NTFS
22:15<stderr>Can you see the files now?
22:15<squirrel`>and it bugged on me
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22:16<squirrel`>nothing there
22:16<squirrel`>but it mounts fine
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22:17<exfos>well yeah, after a reformat nothing would be there
22:17<squirrel`>seems earlier today gparted allowed me to skip a step
22:17<squirrel`>thats what caused the error
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22:19<squirrel`>have a windows issue im trying to solve without reinstalling and nothing works
22:19<squirrel`>im gonna blame EA for having me install silly files to get assassins creed 3
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22:21<squirrel`>thnx for the help
22:21<squirrel`>i thought the drive failed tbh
22:21<Gandolf>Greetings. I'm trying to shove Debian (1st CD .ISO) into a PC using a USB stick using the Universal USB Installer. However, the machine doesn't recognise the stick as a proper boot device. Am I doing something wrong? ;_; I'd use the netinst (which indeed works), but the install process doesn't properly detect my network hardware, nor does it accept "Realtek" when I select it – and I can't
22:21<Gandolf>get a GUI working for it. I'm hopeless without a GUI.
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22:23<squirrel`>the only time i ran into that problem is when the iso "burned" to a stick wasnt set to bootable with the software used
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22:23<squirrel`>i.e: hirens
22:23<Gandolf>I may be a wizard, but I don't speak Hebrew.
22:24<exfos>You could try LinuxLive
22:24<exfos>just in case it is the installers fault?
22:24<squirrel`>usually a live distro has an option in the gui to make a bootable
22:24<Gandolf>We shall see.
22:24<exfos>Because it seems odd that it detects one but not the other
22:25<Gandolf>Yes, debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso is in the list, while debian-7.8.0-i386-CD-1.iso is not.
22:26<squirrel`>debian is only at 7.8 now?
22:26<stderr>I think I have heard others recommending not to use Universal USB installer. dd'ing the iso to the USB-device should work.
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22:26<exfos>LinuxLive installer has been really consistent for me;
22:27<Gandolf>I've never had to install anything from a stick before, and I just got started with Linux a few months ago at my university. Virtual machine, though.
22:28<Gandolf>It'll be intredasting to see what evil things I can accomplish.
22:28<squirrel`>well in the server MOTD i think it says no chatter about that:)
22:28<squirrel`>i started on unix in the 90's when i was like 15
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22:29<squirrel`>downloaded a whole 50mb on a 2400
22:29<squirrel`>that took forever
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22:29<squirrel`>but my first linux distro in college was slackware
22:30<squirrel`>all the comp science guys from class came to my dorm room too "ooooohhhhh ahhhhh"
22:30<squirrel`>well at that time windows ME just came out *cough*
22:31<squirrel`>but enlightenment for nix was popular back then
22:31<squirrel`>i miss the animated desktop background
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22:31<squirrel`>exfos/ there a gnome "plugin" available to do what enlightment did back then?
22:32<stderr>I don't use Gnome.
22:32<squirrel`>terminal user?
22:32<squirrel`>i would have guessed that or icebox
22:33<squirrel`>but most hardcore dont like gui
22:33<exfos>i3wm all the way
22:33<Gandolf>I can't cope without a GUI.
22:33<squirrel`>well i run kali
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22:33<Gandolf>LXDE or Xfce, preferably the latter.
22:33<squirrel`>its basic gnome install
22:34<squirrel`>id check those out but i know if i switched all my menus would disappear and it would take me a month to get all my apps back in the list
22:34<squirrel`>i ALWAYS get lost in linux directories trying to find executables
22:35<squirrel`>im just wondering how far xfce is
22:35<Gandolf>Do grep or get rekt.
22:35<Gandolf>Bollocks, running out of beer.
22:35<exfos>I just map stuff to keybindings, and then write them down somewhere and forget
22:35<squirrel`>back in the day xfce was like......BARE minimal
22:36<squirrel`>you had like a windows 3.1 desktop
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22:36<squirrel`>all you had was terminal in right click and bare essentials
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22:37<exfos>uhh, look into Awesome
22:37<exfos>the window manager
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22:38<squirrel`>xfce in these images look like gnome used to a looong time ago
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22:38<squirrel`>main bar bottom middle
22:38<squirrel`>then again fully customizable
22:39<stderr>Isn't that all you need? A bar with some icons to start various programs?
22:39<squirrel`>my setup is one skinny top bar
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22:40<squirrel`>i can paste a link here cant i
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22:40<squirrel`>thats my basic setup
22:41<exfos>Are you using Kali as an every day machine?
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22:42<KLPRG>Здравствуйте, друзья. Как настроить глобальный прокси в Debian`е?
22:42<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
22:42<sney>if you're chatting, please go to #debian-offtopic so people who actually have questions don't get ignored, thanks
22:43<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
22:43<KLPRG>Ok, sorry
22:43<squirrel`>i use it for linux yes
22:43<squirrel`>but i primarily use windows
22:43<squirrel`>i dont use the tools
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22:44<squirrel`>i just like the thought of security
22:44<sney>squirrel`: please see the note above about chatting vs. support :) thanks
22:44<squirrel`>if i could run all my games in linux i wouldnt use windows
22:44<squirrel`>i know
22:44<squirrel`>this started as support and we got off-topic
22:45<squirrel`>sorry massa
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22:47<squirrel`>i do have a support Q
22:47<KLPRG> How to configure the global proxy Debian?
22:47<squirrel`>since i am using kali
22:47<squirrel`>is it possible to convert it to pure debian but keep everything intact
22:47<sney>not practically. back up your /home and your configs and any other important data and reinstall.
22:47<squirrel`>a lot of the packages come from the debian repo
22:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 667] by debhelper
22:48<sney>otherwise you will probably just get frankendebian
22:48<squirrel`>well i "frankenslacked" back in the day lol
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22:48<squirrel`>then it crashed
22:48<squirrel`>and i got it working again!
22:48<sney>squirrel`: and I'm sure you remember how much fun it was. you can franken-whatever if you want to, but you are 100% on your own with that; nobody will help you
22:48<squirrel`>i understand
22:49<sney>!tell KLPRG about http_proxy
22:49<squirrel`>theres just so many distros, im wondering why dev's dont come together to make a few pure perfect ones
22:49<exfos>Well no distro will ever really be perfect
22:49<squirrel`>ok two more questions
22:50<exfos>everyone has their own twist
22:50<squirrel`>if i went pure debian
22:50<squirrel`>does it run windows games good
22:50<squirrel`>and steam
22:50<exfos>You can wine most stuff
22:50<exfos>I'm running steam right now
22:50<squirrel`>since steam seems to be geared toward ubuntu users
22:50<exfos>natively, without wine
22:50<squirrel`> problem with kali is glibc
22:50<exfos>You will need to install the ubuntu libc
22:51<sney>ubuntu and debian have pretty similar functionality wrt wine or steam. it works well enough, anything opengl is slightly better.
22:51<exfos>and make steam point to it
22:51<squirrel`>kali hasnt progressed far enough to use steam
22:51<sney>kali is a security tool, not a general purpose operating system. if the kali devs cared about it running games, I'm sure it would. they don't. why would they
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22:52<exfos>sney: but hacking would look so much cooler in 3d
22:52<squirrel`>i was going to ask that same thing
22:52<squirrel`>ya....kind of like in shadowrun
22:52<squirrel`>but kali does have wine
22:52<squirrel`>but its difficult to configure
22:53<squirrel`>ive only got simple windows files to run in it
22:53<sney>one of the main kali developers is also a debian developer so I'm sure some binary compatibility was intentional. but again - it's not their focus.
22:53<squirrel`>explains a bit
22:54<squirrel`>i like the security aspect of kali, but i want to game
22:54<sney>anyway, wine can be pretty tricky. always check the compatibility listings at no windows games were designed to run in linux under wine so it's a lot of guesswork and trial and error to make it work
22:54<squirrel`>thats always been an issue
22:54<sney>well, happy day! you can install regular debian and secure it. there is nothing magical about security, and the more of it that you understand, the more secure you will be anyway
22:54<squirrel`>blame it on microsoft because of directx
22:54<sney>!tell squirrel` about securing debian
22:55<squirrel`>thats one of the main reasons i got learn about security
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22:55<ixi>what is this kali rubbish again
22:55-!-speters [] has joined #debian
22:55<ixi>squirrel` do you have a debian related question
22:55<squirrel`>i wanted to see what tools these guys were usingfirsthand and understand it
22:55<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
22:55<sney>ixi: the successor to backtrack.
22:55<sney>ixi: if you scroll up slightly you will see this is roughly a conversation about switching from kali to debian
22:55<squirrel`>this discussion is about debian
22:56<squirrel`>i tried debian in 2003
22:56<sney>that's a long time ago.
22:56<squirrel`>bit buggy back then
22:56<squirrel`>i still have the cd's lol
22:56<squirrel`>all 10 of them
22:57<exfos>It's funny how you could install 10 debian distros on 1 CD now
22:57<squirrel`>compression has come a LONG way since then
22:57<stderr>You didn't need 10 CDs back then.
22:57<sney>and yet the install team still has trouble keeping a full desktop environment on 1 install CD
22:57<sney>DVD is easier naturally
22:57<squirrel`>and a lot of junk was removed, and a lot of the old software was downsized into a better format for size
22:58<sney>nobody ever needed the 10 CDs but they don't understand that it's the whole archive
22:58<squirrel`>thats the thing....a lot of tools i was using back then required the full span
22:58<sney>well, I suppose they might be useful if you lived in a shack somewhere with no internet connection
22:58<sney>no they did not
22:58<squirrel`>some were on cd 2 some on 5 etc
22:58-!-KLPRG [~KLPRG@2001:67c:24fc:2:c83:dfab:a8a0:683e] has joined #debian
22:58<sney>you might have needed packages from each of the disks, yeah
22:59<sney>they're sorted by popcon so it can seem random from a certain perspective
22:59<squirrel`>installation back then was a bit different
22:59<stderr>KLPRG: It didn't work.
22:59<squirrel`>you actually had to pick every single package you wanted to install
22:59<sney>yeah, install for potato just threw you straight into dselect if memory serves
22:59<squirrel`>since im a programmer etc lalalala
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23:00<KLPRG>Thank you for your help!
23:00<sney>squirrel`: anyway, do you need to know anything else about switching
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23:00<squirrel`>i know how to switch
23:01<squirrel`>just nuke this partition and install debian lol
23:01<squirrel`>ixi, why the hostilities my friend
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23:04<squirrel`>i have a question about debian and VLC
23:05<squirrel`>im trying to stream through VLC....despite i have audicity(winamp clone)
23:06<squirrel`>but it keeps bringing up brasero
23:06<squirrel`>how do i change file associations
23:06<squirrel`>because in vlc i found no option for it
23:07<exfos>Right click, properties, open with
23:07<exfos>there you can set the default tool to open a file with
23:07<squirrel`>but it doesnt show anything else
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23:07<squirrel`>thats where navigation of the filesystem comes into play
23:08<exfos>have you got the "Open with" tab open?
23:08<squirrel`>lemme open it back up
23:08<squirrel`>damn haxball....addicting lol
23:09<squirrel`>ok its open
23:09<Gandolf>LiLi failed me.
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23:09<Gandolf>LinuxLive (USB Creator).
23:09<exfos>What happened?
23:09<Gandolf>"Insert bootable device."
23:09<Gandolf>Or whatever.
23:09<squirrel`>i see
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23:10<squirrel`>does gparted show if a device is bootable?
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23:10<squirrel`>and toggleable?
23:11<Gandolf>*Awkward laughter.*
23:11<exfos>squirrel` that shouldn't be the case. Gandolf was able to boot from a different iso
23:11<squirrel`>ya my next question is even more stupid
23:11<squirrel`>but i wont ask it because logic dictates its already set
23:11<Gandolf>Waaaaaaaaaaaaait... ಪ_ಪ The stick is empty.
23:11<Gandolf>It wasn't empty when I ejected it ;_;
23:11<Gandolf>Guess I'll flash it again.
23:12<squirrel`>sounds like my issue i had with my external HD
23:12<exfos>did you choose to hide the files in LiLi?
23:12<Gandolf>I unchecked it.
23:12<Gandolf>The stick is truly empty.
23:12<Gandolf>Been doing that for a year or so.
23:12<squirrel`>i had 7 files on my 1tb external and i plugged it into this files
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23:13<Gandolf>"This Linux is not in the compatibility list."
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23:14<exfos>Gandolf, almost always it still works fine
23:14<Gandolf>It should, yes.
23:14<Gandolf>Since it still is a stable release of a supported distro.
23:15<squirrel`>do you have windows
23:15<squirrel`>are you using it to create the boot
23:15<Gandolf>Indeed I am.
23:15<squirrel`>which program
23:15<Gandolf>[06.09:04] <Gandolf> LiLi failed me.
23:16<Gandolf>Maybe this time it'll work.
23:16<exfos>6 AM
23:16<Gandolf>Yeah, woke up at eight in the evening.
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23:16<Gandolf>Was supposed to go to this SINGLE MEETING in a pub, but I slept over it. Oops...
23:17<squirrel`>i have a couple of programs for you to check out that worked for me
23:17<squirrel`>even for kali which was not in the list
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23:17<Gandolf>Thanks, but I think I'm not going to waste any more time on this if this doesn't work.
23:18<Gandolf>Hell, I'll just install a fresh Windows 10.
23:18<squirrel`>nah just check out on google
23:18<squirrel`>i demand you do not
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23:18<squirrel`>i wont even use 8
23:18<Gandolf>I use Win 7.
23:18<Gandolf>But I can get all Windows things for free via Dreamspark.
23:18<Gandolf>Glad I'm a student, haha.
23:18<squirrel`>just running the 8.1 demo upgrade program screwed up my XP....and i didnt even install it
23:19<squirrel`>hook me up
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23:19<musca>only free as in beer, debian offers true freedom
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23:23<squirrel`>how so
23:23<squirrel`>compared to....slackware!
23:23<squirrel`>because slacking off is freedom
23:24<squirrel`>im interested in dreamspark
23:25<squirrel`>exfos: you were gonna help me with vlc for a moment. can you still please?
23:26<Gandolf>Ach, bollocks.
23:26<Gandolf>LiLi failed me again.
23:26<squirrel`>try what i told you
23:26<Gandolf>I shall.
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23:27<squirrel`>it may or may not work
23:27<Gandolf>But if it doesn't work, Win 10 it is :P
23:27<exfos>Gandolf, don't go to the dark side!
23:27<squirrel`>bad choice:)
23:27<squirrel`>id stick with 7
23:27<exfos>I heard they have subscription fees now
23:27<squirrel`>and im an XP user
23:27<Gandolf>Secondary PC, mostly for development.
23:27<squirrel`>windows 8 started fee's
23:28<exfos>squirrel`: Have you got the "Open with" window open?
23:28<squirrel`>just like the rumor of xbox 1 requiring always-on connection to the net
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23:28<Gandolf>It's only a huge plus if I can shove Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate, Unity 3D, and Dreamweaver on it.
23:28<exfos>Alright, if you click on Show other applications
23:28<Gandolf>(And they work perfectly.)
23:28<exfos>vlc should be either near the top or the bottom
23:28<Gandolf>Though I'll still do most of the work on my main PC (this).
23:28<squirrel`>there is no show other
23:29<squirrel`>i have to search for the application
23:29<squirrel`>there was basero or "other"
23:29<squirrel`>opened my filesystem
23:30<squirrel`>so i have to find VLC's executable
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23:30<exfos>you could make it 20x easier by opening a terminal and just doing vlc [filename]
23:30<squirrel`>and i havent been very good at "find"
23:31<squirrel`>you are right
23:31<squirrel`>right click the streams link
23:31<squirrel`>throw it on desktop
23:31<squirrel`>and open in VLC or audicity
23:31<squirrel`>you are a genius
23:31<squirrel`>how could i be so stupid
23:31<squirrel`> drinking again thats why
23:31<Gandolf>Two beers left.
23:32<exfos>I've got 6 downstairs, I can share
23:32<squirrel`>ive got 6 pounders left
23:32<Gandolf>You sixers.
23:32<squirrel`>but i just started AA last week
23:32<squirrel`>and im drinking
23:32<exfos>get 4 more and we can be the devil brothers
23:32<squirrel`>why did i buy beer
23:32<squirrel`>oh....its legal
23:32<Gandolf>Alcoholics Anonymous – drink while Incognito!
23:33<squirrel`>i really want to change my life
23:33<squirrel`>and STOP
23:33<squirrel`>ive been in jail 17 times all alcohol related
23:33<exfos>Install gentoo, all your problems will be solved
23:33<exfos>you won't have time to drink
23:33<squirrel`>id rather go pure deb
23:34<squirrel`>exfos: are all the commands in kali for upgrading etc the same in debian
23:34<squirrel`>the apt-get etc etc
23:34<squirrel`>and does it have a gui based upgrade system
23:34<squirrel`>like kali
23:35<exfos>I was going to go arch, but that alone made me not
23:35<squirrel`>select what you want to upgrade
23:35<exfos>Not actually sure, never bothered to use one
23:35<squirrel`>what is arch
23:35<squirrel`>ive seen the term but never checked up on it
23:35<exfos>Just another distro
23:36<squirrel`>kali has a "software update" program
23:36<squirrel`>390 updates i can do now
23:37<squirrel`>a lot of attacks and basic upgrades to debian FS
23:37<squirrel`>a lot of scary things
23:37<squirrel`>im wondering if having this OS would red flag me if it hasnt already
23:38<exfos>You're not doing anything illegal just by using it
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23:40<squirrel`>well hls would not like people having this software
23:40<squirrel`>after all....anonymous uses this distro
23:40<exfos>lol squirrel`
23:40<squirrel`>exfos: as of right dropping out of anon
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23:41<squirrel`>they say they dont have a leader but they lie
23:41<squirrel`>i know who he is
23:41<squirrel`>and i hate him
23:42<squirrel`>im gonna try downloading that stream link to my desktop and loading it into audacity
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23:43<squirrel`>exfos: btw, why dont you have yahtzeeserv?
23:43<squirrel`>im in the process of editing the source....theres a few minor.....things i want to change
23:43<squirrel`>throw a game room on here for us
23:44<squirrel`>there are a lot of lonely souls on this server talking to themselves
23:44<squirrel`>ever since the downfall of yahoo chat everything sucks:)
23:44<exfos>I didn't even know what yahtzeeserv was before now
23:45<squirrel`>i downloaded the link location and now i right click it and it show open with audacity or VLC
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23:45<squirrel`>well i have the source right now
23:45-!-joaorodriguesjr [~joaorodri@] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
23:45<squirrel`>the problem is
23:46<squirrel`>when you start a game and get players
23:46<squirrel`>it doesnt tell you how long until the game starts
23:46<squirrel`>its written in pure C for irc servers
23:46<squirrel`>its not a bot per-say
23:46<squirrel`>its a service
23:47<squirrel`>what i want to do is enable a countdown
23:47<squirrel`>but the code is screwy
23:47<shadow>what a strange one-sided conversation.
23:48<squirrel`>well i like games
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23:48<squirrel`>i started with text based on a comm 64
23:48<shadow>best I've run into lately is using Spring engine
23:48<squirrel`>this yahtzee is text based
23:49<squirrel`>that for nix?
23:49<shadow>multi-platform RTS
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23:49<squirrel`>indeed it is
23:49<squirrel`>how does it fare to starcraft
23:50<squirrel`>and can i run it on this lackluster distro
23:50<shadow>different games. some of the flaws of starcraft are what makes it shine for competitive play
23:50<squirrel`>does it have an apt-get
23:50<squirrel`>or do i have to source it
23:51<squirrel`>i run kali so
23:51<squirrel`>i can run into some problems
23:51<shadow>Debian Jessie has the recent stuff
23:51<shadow>apt-get install springlobby
23:51<squirrel`>it looks sweet
23:51<squirrel`>let me try
23:52<shadow>then download and install (um copy it to ~/.spring/games/ ) the mod
23:52<squirrel`>i doubt my repo has it
23:52<squirrel`>got spring d/ling
23:53<squirrel`>my filesystem may be different
23:53<squirrel`>i have trouble with games
23:53<squirrel`>os[Linux 3.12-kali1-686-pae i686] distro[Debian Kali Linux 1.0.6] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical: 2.5GB, 85.0% free] disk[Total: 1.1TB, 88.1% free] video[NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia]
23:53<shadow>I can only comment in #debian to the truth that this game is installable and playable on Debian Jessie
23:54<squirrel`>im wondering why it says my dual core is 1ghz
23:54<squirrel`>when in fact its 2.6
23:54<squirrel`>per core
23:54<shadow>dynamic frequency
23:54<squirrel`>i see
23:55<squirrel`>theres no apt for the rest is there
23:55<ryouma>squirrel`: /proc/cpuinfo
23:55<squirrel`>sysinfo /proc/cpuinfo
23:55<squirrel`>os[Linux 3.12-kali1-686-pae i686] distro[Debian Kali Linux 1.0.6] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.80GHz] mem[Physical: 2.5GB, 83.0% free] disk[Total: 1.1TB, 88.1% free] video[NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia]
23:56<squirrel`>it changed but its still not real
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23:57<squirrel`>ryouma: one question....what is a SDZ file?
23:57<squirrel`>or do i not have to decompress it
23:57<squirrel`>just place it
23:57<shadow>just place it.
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23:57<shadow>alternatively you can allow spring lobby to download and "install" the needed mods, via some kind of distributed p2p system
23:58<shadow>I find it much simpler to just download the mod and place where it needs to be
23:58<squirrel`>i already got the mod
23:58<shadow>you will have to restart spring lobby for it to realize that the mod is there
23:58<squirrel`>what about maps
23:58<shadow>oh yeah, maps I just let Spring Lobby download and manage
23:58<squirrel`>1.6gb will take a bit
23:58<squirrel`>like 15 minutes
23:59<squirrel`>i got the spring and the mod
23:59<squirrel`>does it come with basic maps?
23:59<shadow>there's only a few maps people ever play
23:59<shadow>the most popular one is DeltaSiegeDry
23:59<squirrel`>its in the main 2 files?
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