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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-01-26

---Logopened Mon Jan 26 00:00:44 2015
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00:17<sleser>is it safe to install glibs 2.15 on wheezy ? and is it posible ?
00:17<JGalt>can someone help getting the package eagle running on an amd64 jessie host?
00:18<JGalt>It seemsit may only be available as 32bit i386...
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00:21<themill>sleser: not advised. Wanting to do so generally indicates you're trying to install packages on wheezy that were not designed for wheezy (and that's a bad plan)
00:23<sleser>understand
00:23<sleser>how to make a game play without it ?
00:23<themill>JGalt: eagle is non-free and only available for i386. By the looks of it, you should be able to enable multiarch and install the i386 version on amd64.
00:24<themill>s/enable multiarch/add i386 as a foreign arch/
00:24<themill>!multiarch howto
00:24<dpkg>somebody said multiarch howto was http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
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00:30<JGalt>@themill - thanks, looks like a good start... maybe also nudge cadsoft tooffer a amd64 compile.
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00:31<themill>nudging them to provide free software would be even better
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01:22<synaptickaos>hello
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01:24<synaptickaos>not sure if this is the place to ask, but having an issue getting the radeon drivers installed
01:26<synaptickaos>Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169
01:26<synaptickaos>I get like 12 of those messages
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01:28<jm_>most r8169 driven cards don't need a firmware so if it's working fine just ignore it, to get rid of the message install the firmware-realtek package
01:29<synaptickaos>its not working right, my display is stuck at 1024x768
01:29<jm_>r8169 is a driver for your network card
01:29<synaptickaos>hrm, thats the error I got when installing the radeon drivers
01:30<jm_>look in x logfile for more details about display issues
01:31<synaptickaos>where should that be?
01:31<synaptickaos>or do I need to restart x after I install those drivers?
01:31*synaptickaos isnt that knowledgable
01:31<jm_>/var/log/Xorg.0.log - you probably want to restart the DM you are using (or X server if you start it manually)
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01:32<synaptickaos>ok, Ill try that first
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03:16<apoc>aloah. is there some new information about when jessie goes stable?
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03:23<apoc>is there something wrong with my irc web client, or is nothing going on here?
03:23<jm_>no
03:23<apoc>oh hai. thank
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03:30<avtobiff>apoc, you might want to follow the progress? :) http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2015/01/23-Debian_Release_Critical_Bug_report_for_Week_04/
03:30<avtobiff>apoc, stay tuned to http://planet.debian.org
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03:32<apoc>thanks guys. I have mail subscribtions, but got no news there lately.. was just checking if irc knows something
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04:22<xreal>Is http://http.debian.net/debian still working?
04:23<xreal>Could not resolve 'http.debian.net'
04:23<aborrero>xreal: I can: http.debian.net has address 46.4.205.44 http.debian.net has IPv6 address 2001:41c8:1000:21::21:35
04:24<xreal>aborrero: Ah damn, I installed resolvconf and it removed /etc/resolv.conf :)
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05:13<MushroomToxic>I really can't browse into directories with special characters thrugh the terminal. I know that you can use \ before a spacebar for e.g or have the compleate dir-name in "-" but nothing works here
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05:14<MushroomToxic>The dirname is -[Updates]-
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05:23<MushroomToxic>I guess there must be a way of browsing into dir's with names like that, will be more easy for me than to rename dir's since there are mounted in this machine from a server in the basement
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05:32<klxl>With the China?
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05:35<MushroomToxic>Just tested around some foldernames and you will do exactly the same for like " [dirname], --dirname--" etc.. But -[Dirname]- seems to make bash crazy
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05:44<jm_>MushroomToxic: cd -- '-[Updates]-'
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05:50<MushroomToxic>jm_: Thanks a lot!
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05:50<jm_>no problem
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06:07<yogimans-dog>Hi all, having to purchase hardware Mainboard/CPU/Memory. I am on a very tight budget and would like to use H81 mainboard. Is H81 and intel G3220 support ok or is this problematic. Thinking of using a Gigabyte board.
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06:08<jm_>you shall be fine, but my experience with gigabyte and grub are not that pleasant
06:08<yogimans-dog>jm_, Thanks for reply, could you expand on that?
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06:10<jm_>yogimans-dog: on two completely different boards (G41 chipset and H67 chipset) the systems refuses (refused for g41) to boot if I use keyboard in grub menu
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06:10<yogimans-dog>jm_, OK thats a strange event.. Well thank you for your input :)
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06:11<jm_>yogimans-dog: no problems when doing that and booting windows, so it may be something else, but I find it suspicious that it happens with two GB boards
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06:12<yogimans-dog>jm_, Yes it is a little odd. I don't personally use windows, only ever linux and preferably Debian. So I guess it's important to identify a board that won't give me issues, but been searching for around 2 weeks and can't find a definitive answer.
06:13<jm_>yogimans-dog: other than that it works fine, you shall be fine with whatever you use in general
06:14<yogimans-dog>jm_, OK mate, I really appreciate your help, thank you. Have a good one :)
06:14<jm_>yogimans-dog: no problem
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08:30<xreal>Anyone with an idea, why setting my console-data doesn't work? http://pastie.org/pastes/9862218/text
08:30<introom>hi. for files in /usr/share/doc/package, how do I read them?
08:30<weasel>depends on the file.
08:30<weasel>a paper such as less for plain text files. or a browser such as w3m for html files should do.
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08:31<introom>I understand that for "man", it will search for a certain place. Is there any program to search the /usr/share/doc/package?
08:32<introom>or I have to cd in that directory and vim it manually?
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08:32<weasel>the latter.
08:32<weasel>the doc/$package directory is not structured.
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09:10<irl>i have a debian mail server where the ip6 address is listed as "mngtmpaddr" and it seems to expire, messing up delivery of mail.
09:10<irl>how do i disable this so the address is just done by slaac?
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09:12<peter1138>On a server, you should probably just allocated a fixed IP address.
09:13<peter1138>http://unquietwiki.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/how-to-enable-disable-privacy.html
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09:14<irl>peter1138: done that, it's still there
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09:15<peter1138>Previously done it, or just now?
09:15<irl>about half an hour ago
09:15<peter1138>Did you reboot or just apply the setting?
09:15<irl>thing is, it's not "temporary", it's "mngtmpaddr"
09:15<irl>i rebooted
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09:15<irl>apparently "mngtmpaddr" is requested from userspace
09:15<irl>but i can't figure out what would be requesting it
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09:22<peter1138>Hopefully not the smtp client :p
09:23<irl>i'm trying a static address in /etc/network/interfaces
09:23<irl>which should hopefully fix it
09:23<irl>but it's a hack
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09:39<xreal>I've found a bug in Wheezy and Jessie: http://pastie.org/pastes/9862414/text
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09:42<peter1138>irl, using hardware-dependent addresses (SLAAC) is a bad idea, I think.
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09:51<faew>Let package 'p' (version 1) depend from packages (a, b). Let the version 2 of the same package 'p' depend from (a, b, c). It seems that an 'apt-get upgrade' does not install the new version (2) of 'p' (but 'apt-get install p' does). Is this actually as designed ?
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09:51<bjsnider>can someone look at a page on cnn.com, any article will do, and tell me if hte font rendering looks readable?
09:52<bjsnider>it would also help if you have the msttcorefonts installed
09:52<Brigo>faew, yes.
09:53<Brigo>bjsnider, i can see the page ok with iceweasel, but not msttcorefonts installed.
09:53<jeivy>here ok
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09:53<faew>Brigo: thanks. Do you know whether (where) this is documented?
09:54<jeivy>no ms &*&* at all
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09:54<Brigo>faew, actually not. I guess it should be on debian admin manual.
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09:59<faew>Brigo: got it: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/69/Some_upgrades_show_packages_being_kept_back
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10:01<Brigo>faew, it is about the logic that apt-get update must not install new packages, only new versions of already installed ones.
10:01<Brigo>apt-get dist-upgrade will install new packages too, that is the main difference between apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
10:02<jeivy>do you know if there is any way around of installing a full xserver?
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10:07<Brigo>jeivy, what do you want to achieve?
10:08<Brigo>jeivy, i know 2, xvfb and wayland alternatives, but both are poor just now.
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10:16<bjsnider>Brigo: was that on a standard monitor with 96dpi?
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10:18<Brigo>bjsnider, i did not know the dpi of my monitor. How can i find it out?
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10:19<Brigo>bjsnider, all i can tell you is it is a 21" tft monitor working at 1920x1080 resolution.
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10:21<bjsnider>Brigo: thanks, and what graphics chip do you have? intel, nvidia, amd or something else?
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10:21<Brigo>nvidia
10:21<Brigo>with privative drivers
10:22<bjsnider>can someone with intel graphics please test cnn.com any article?
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10:25<bjsnider>Brigo: you scrolled down to look at the text of the article itself right?
10:26<Brigo>yes, i readed the article about greek too :D
10:27<Brigo>bjsnider, would you want a picture? :)
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10:27<bjsnider>no, it's ok
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10:34<jeivy>what i meant
10:34<jeivy>is to stripe down the not needed drivers
10:35<jeivy>a full compile takes hours
10:35<jeivy>i miss the xfree days when we could choose wich driver to install
10:35<mtn>jeivy: why are you compiling x?
10:36<jeivy>i do it from time to time
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10:36<mtn>jeivy: sounds like a good reason :P
10:37<jeivy>man, i'm on linux since 1998
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10:37<peter1138>You mean all those xserver-org-video-* packages are required?
10:37<jeivy>so there is lot of things that changed since then
10:37<jeivy>yes they are
10:38<jeivy>xorg is a b*#*#
10:38<jeivy>youtube it
10:38<jeivy>they say it is almost a whole system itself
10:38<jeivy>that's why wayland is becoming such hope
10:39<peter1138>Well no, it is possible to remove those packages...
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10:39<jeivy>that's what i do most of time
10:40<jeivy>then you break down a whole task-* dependencies
10:40<jeivy>and makes every update messed up
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10:41<jeivy>my root fs has 5.5GB of files
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10:41<jeivy>and i feel like is pretty much a waste of resources
10:41<jeivy>like other oses
10:43<jeivy>did any one here used woody/potato?
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10:45<tux>ola
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10:46<Guest3303>alguem sacas de otrs
10:46<Guest3303>ai
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12:55<awal>usually I use "ls -d .*" for see hidden files/dirs in /home. How to list the content of these files/dirs too?
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12:58<retrospectacus>contents of the hidden files, or contents of hidden directorys?
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13:03<centrx>awal, What do you think the -d does
13:03<awal>hidden directories, retrospectacus
13:04<awal>centrx, list dirs so
13:05<centrx>awal, ls lists directories by default
13:05<centrx>awal, -d: "list directories themselves, not their contents"
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13:06<awal>hmmm, yes.
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13:11<awal>I think I found the solution playing with what I found here http://askubuntu.com/questions/468901/how-to-show-only-hidden-files-in-terminal
13:11<awal>" ls .?* " does the job
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13:13<centrx>I see
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13:14<jhutchins>awal: Question mark is redundant.
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13:15<awal>In the answer in the link it's said ".?* will only state hidden files" but what these signs mean separately?
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13:16<awal>almost ? and *
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13:18<awal>i mean what ? and * do?
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13:19<awal>jhutchins: what you mean exactly "question mark is redundant" ?
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13:21<jhutchins>awal: I think man ls will explain.
13:21<centrx>The question mark makes it leave out the "." directory
13:21<centrx>but it doesn't leave out the ".." directory
13:21<jhutchins>awal: No, sorry, it doesn't, must be the general bash docs.
13:22<jhutchins>awal: Question mark is any single character, asterisk is all characters.
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13:24<jhutchins>Ah, well, ?* does mean "at least two characters".
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13:26<Olxd_>Any hackers>?
13:26<blast007>jhutchins: * matches 0 or more characters
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13:28<awal>centrx: jhutchins: ok, thanks for your attention/infos. I tought it was 'ls' related; so I'll check bash docs :)
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13:32<jhutchins>awal: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/x11655.htm
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13:45<awal>jhutchins: ok, thanks
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14:22<SOUL_OF_R00T>boa tarde :) saudações a todos!
14:23<SOUL_OF_R00T>saudations all, excuse!
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14:29<jhutchins>!pt
14:29<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:29<jhutchins>SOUL_OF_R00T: You're welcome here too though.
14:30<SOUL_OF_R00T>ok, all thanks guys excuse i confuse language on start
14:30<SOUL_OF_R00T>i proceed in english
14:31<SOUL_OF_R00T>at moment i have 2 debian wheezy and 2 debina jessie running on 64 bits boxes , i fell very happy with debian and congratulate developers
14:31<SOUL_OF_R00T>very thanks guys
14:31<centrx>Groovy
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14:33<SOUL_OF_R00T>my first experience with debian is potato before some time with slackware, since this the evolution off linux software have made a passion for me
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14:38<retrospectacus>stupendous
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14:40<gbit>SOUL_OF_R00T: that happen for me two, I was slackware user for 12 years, now I'm changing everything to debian too
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14:41<Denise>hello all, I am working on connecting my debian 7.8 computer to my windows 7 wireless connection. The debian pc asks "authentication required by wirless networ" "password or encryption key are required to access the wireless network" typing in the password is not being accepted
14:42<SOUL_OF_R00T>hello gbit i have a love for gentoo since 2003 i use it too, but me use debian in some machines inside a freebsd network
14:42<gbit>SOUL_OF_R00T: sweet
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14:46<SOUL_OF_R00T>gbit during last 3 debian versions the evolution is great you can build the packages from source like slack but usin debian way
14:47<SOUL_OF_R00T>this is cool
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14:53<hikenboot>hi trying to get radeon RV516 X1300/X1550 to run with opengl drivers. Anyone able to point me to good working directions. I cant seem to find any for this video card that work with stable
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14:53<towo`>there are no special drivers
14:54<towo`>all you need is mesa, radeon and non-free firmware
14:54<hikenboot>ok thanks
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15:08<xreal>Please help me if you can read German: https://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=153553
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15:21<Denise>hello all, i am connect wirelessly to my debian computer. how may I download firefox browser for debian 7.8>
15:21<peter1138>Install iceweasel
15:21<retrospectacus>apt-get install iceweasel
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15:23<retrospectacus>Denise: see also http://mozilla.debian.net/
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15:23<Denise>thanks all
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15:25<Denise>this channel is helping get up and running on debian faster than I could have imagined, love you all
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15:32<JGalt>@themill - thanksfor the help with eagle & mulitarch. called cadsoft & while releasing eagle source is not likely to happen, an amd64 compile should be available soon.
15:36<jhutchins>JGalt: Using the @ tag actually causes highlighting/alerts to fail.
15:38<Denise>iceweasel is already installed with the debian 7.8, this site http://mozilla.debian.net/ tells me to " /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/:" I am in the root directly an ls command lists some directories, where will the /etc/apt/sources.list be stored?
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15:38<jhutchins>Denise: In /etc/apt/
15:38<Denise>jhutchins, from the root directory?
15:38<Brigo>Denise, if iceweasel is already installed you can just use it or am i lost?
15:38<Denise>i do not see an etc directory
15:39<jhutchins>Denise: The / at the beginning of the path means "start from root".
15:39<valdyn>Denise: / is the root directory, /root is not the root directory
15:39<Denise>Brigo, do i type iceweasel
15:39<jhutchins>ls /etc/
15:39<Denise>ok, i do not see /etc when i do ls at root level, let me check again
15:39<SynrG>/root is not the root directory, i.e. /
15:40<SynrG>Maybe that is the source of your confusion?
15:40<jhutchins>!lfhs
15:40<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier".
15:41<Denise>ok
15:41<Denise>i just typed iceweasel and the browser came up
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15:42<Denise>thanks dpkg, makes sense
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15:42<Brigo>it is the expected behavior :D
15:43<Denise>oic
15:43<Denise>i am trying to not keep it simple~
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15:44<Denise>iceweasel is an icon i can click on to from the desktop
15:44<Denise>i'm ready to rock n roll on android
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15:46<jhutchins>Denise: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html
15:46<JGalt>jhutchins - so what's the best way to direct comment to an individual, yet mane it public (not pm)?
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15:46<jhutchins>JGalt: Just the way you did then - use the currently logged-in nick (tab completion can help confirm that they're logged in).
15:47<JGalt>tnx
15:47<jhutchins>JGalt: That will also allow a match to buffer the message if the user marks himself /away.
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16:22<kevinmoilar>hi. would someone be so kind to help me increase the font size in awsoem / terminal while keeping things looking sharp? i have a new laptop and am not used to this maddd resolution
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16:22<kevinmoilar>lost on the internets searching for urxvt oh-my-zsh et al
16:23<mtn>kevinmoilar: you might find the arch linux wiki helpful for something like that
16:24<kevinmoilar>mtn: that is indeed mz favourite wiki, great stuff
16:24<kevinmoilar>but no solution as of now
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16:25<kevinmoilar>pretty sure the solution will turn out simple, but if like me you configure a new laptop every 4 years it is haaard
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16:25<kevinmoilar>also switching keyboard layout as you can see :)
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17:41<synaptickaos>whatsthe default login dm for jessie?
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17:45<mtn>synaptickaos: gdm
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17:46<synaptickaos>thanks
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17:47<mtn>synaptickaos: other desktops can be chosen using advanced options in the installer, so kde would install kdm
17:48<synaptickaos>well, im using cinnamon, is that still gdm?
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17:48<mtn>synaptickaos: don't know for sure what cinnamon uses
17:49<mtn>synaptickaos: or if you can choose it in the installer, even
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17:49<synaptickaos>yeah, cinnamon was in the installer
17:49<mtn>synaptickaos: a default install would be gnome
17:49<synaptickaos>is there a way to find out what I am using?
17:50<mtn>synaptickaos: see which one is installed, would be my guess. also see which one is running
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18:01<gloriouslygeorge>hi
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18:02<gloriouslygeorge>what means 'asynchronous' in NFS option ?
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18:04<mtn>gloriouslygeorge: when you google "what means 'asynchronous' in NFS option", you get lots of things to read ;)
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18:04<mtn>gloriouslygeorge: please don't pm. none of here are real people.
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18:10<mtn>gloriouslygeorge: please stop sending me private messages.
18:10<gloriouslygeorge>frak
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18:45<SteinerU>Would it be possible for me to get some help on an Ubuntu problem I'm having here?
18:45-!-sadbox [~jmcguire@sadbox.org] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
18:45<abrotman>SteinerU: Please use #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
18:45<SteinerU>I know there are some good official forums, but thought this might be quickker
18:45<SteinerU>Ah
18:45<SteinerU>**quicker
18:45<SteinerU>hank you
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18:59<Kristian_>Hello all, I’m having some permissions issues with an NFS share that I just can’t seem to crack. Would you folks mind helping me out please? :)
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19:02<Kristian_>test
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19:06<retrospectacus>test failed.
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19:10<gloriousgeorge>:)
19:11<gloriousgeorge>up arrow ftw
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19:11<gloriousgeorge>when will be jessie stable ?
19:11<centrx>gloriousgeorge, When do you want it to be?
19:13<gloriousgeorge>i heard about lesbian7
19:13<gloriousgeorge>is it jessie ?
19:13-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
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19:13-!-gloriousgeorge was kicked from #debian by themill [On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.]
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19:14<PiresFelix>lesbian7?
19:14<PiresFelix>debian 7 is the wheezy
19:14<PiresFelix>Jessie is the testing(next stable)
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19:17<abrotman>PiresFelix: it was a troll, no need to comment
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19:20<PiresFelix>abrotman, didn't get that
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20:05<Olxd_>please someone help i am trying to hack using aircrack but evreytime i write a command it says i need to be root?
20:05<Olxd_>says please run as root
20:06<retrospectacus>try running it as root
20:07<sney>+1
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20:08<Olxd_>how do i run it as root?
20:09<sney>use sudo, use su, log out of your account and log in as root, etc
20:09<sney>whatever floats your boat
20:09<sney>root is like the administrator account
20:09<retrospectacus>Olxd_: what version of Debian are you running?
20:09<sney>when you installed debian, it asked you to set a root password, so you should remember it
20:11<Olxd_>Cheers fixed it i used the sudo su command!
20:12<sney>because why use one when you can use both? groan
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20:14<sney>"sudo" runs a command as a different user, or switches to a different user, root by default. "su" does the same thing with different options and different authentication. Nobody ever needs to "sudo su." that is completely redundant and silly
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20:16<dondelelcaro>sney: actually, there are reasons to sudo su
20:17<dondelelcaro>sudo su -; being one example
20:17<bote1>sney: what about different environments?
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20:18<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: isn't "sudo -i " for that?
20:18<sney>I think he means appending another command to it
20:19<sney>in order to run a command in another user's login env as part of a one-liner?
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20:19<sney>edge case, anyway. most people sudo su because they don't know what those letters mean and they read it in a blog somewhere ;P
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20:33<dondelelcaro>true; you almost never really need it
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20:57<ckosloff>When installing a LAMP server on wheezy it creates two networks, which I can see in localhost: 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1, localhost is allocated to the first one...
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20:58<ckosloff>but wheezy will complain about unable to determine a fully qualified domain name, until I enter ServerName mymachinename in apache2.conf in the second network...
21:00<ckosloff>my question is: where should I set the names of my vhosts, second, second, first, or doesn't matter? since the vhost will only listen on pot 80?
21:00<ckosloff>typo: there should be only one second mention
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21:18<ckosloff>y
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22:44<awal>How to check internet speed via terminal without wget or speedtest-cli (only in sid)?
22:44<abrotman>curl
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22:47<awal>abrotman, ok. i'll look at that
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23:51<supaplex>retrospectacus: ahh -i - didn't think of that. :)
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