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---Logopened Wed Jan 28 00:00:47 2015
00:01<Celelibi>Are the debian sources versionned somewhere?
00:02<Celelibi>I mean, it would be cool if I could git clone and get the debian source of the package I want. :)
00:02<Celelibi>And propose some patch.
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00:16<themill>Celelibi: many packages are in a VCS and the Sources file contains that. "debcheckout" can find the vcs for you and clone/co.
00:17<themill>Celelibi: There's also sources.debian.net which has extensions for both chromium and iceweasel that allow in-the-browser editing and patch generation
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01:19<nand>Why are there so many people here?
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01:31<musca>hello nand
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01:35<musca>nand: I would say: we are helping each other and we learn from each other
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01:44<iptables-restore>Having problems restoring my iptables rules at startup...
01:44<iptables-restore>Either with a script in if-pre-ip.d directory or by configuring /etc/network/interfaces file
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01:45<iptables-restore>if-pre-up.d
01:45<iptables-restore>my script is executable and owned by root
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01:45<iptables-restore>my firewall config file's permissions are set to 600 and owned by root
01:46<iptables-restore>in my "interfaces" file the pertinent stanza is...
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01:46<iptables-restore>iface eth0 inet dhcp
01:46<iptables-restore>[TAB]pre-up iptables-restore </etc/firewall.conf
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01:47<jm_>you can enable verbosity for ifupdown and boot logging and you'll see if the script is executed (it also makes sense to add "set -x" to the script if it's a shell script)
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01:48<jm_>ahh ok so it's not a script, but note that the 'foo <bar' syntax won't work if this is not executed via shell
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01:50<iptables-restore><jm_> I tried both
01:51<iptables-restore> <jm_>Thanks I will try this
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01:55<Guest3489>hello?
01:56<Guest3489>can anyone help me install debian, I'm having trouble dual booting windows 8.1 and debian wheezy
01:57<jm_>have you read installation manual?
01:57<Guest3489>Yeah, my issue is that after I install it all when I reboot it boots straight into windows 8 and not into grub
01:58<jm_>where did you tell it to install grub to?
01:58<Guest3489>lemme double check
01:58<iptables-restore><Guest3489> Did you installed Debian first?
01:58<iptables-restore>install
01:59<Guest3489>no, windows 8.1 is already installed.
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02:02<Guest3489>This is an asus laptop btw and I'm installing form usb
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02:03<Guest3489>ok
02:03<jm_>iptables-restore: looks like ifup does use shell, if nothing else create a script that can be used to debug it further
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02:03<jm_>was quite a surprise to see what that thing is written in
02:03<Guest3489>grub is installed on partition 7 which is used reserved biot boot area
02:03<Guest3489>*BIOS
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02:04<jm_>you need to install it on MBR if you want to use it too boot debian & windows
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02:05<Guest3489>yeah, I set it to do that at then end but then it just boots into windows after sucessfully saying it installed
02:05<jm_>now if you use secure boot with windows 8 then be careful with this, I have no experiene with that
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02:05<Guest3489>I can't boot grub from bios either.
02:05<jm_>then try doing it again:
02:05<jm_>!fixmbr
02:05<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
02:05<jm_>it's probably ext4 these days, not ext2
02:06<Guest3489>thanks, some topics I read mentioned rescue grub but I couldn't find how to get into ti
02:07<jm_>I suspect thig might be missing mounting of /boot/efi for EFI
02:08<Guest3489>ok, well I'm gonna run the installer one more time, than try rescue grub
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02:08<jm_>you don't need to reinstall, just use it to boot and run the above commands
02:08<Guest3489>ok, gimme a sec.
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02:13<Guest3489>alt f2 doesn't do anything
02:13<Guest3489>wait nevermind not in the live cd
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02:18<Guest3489>yeah I can't chroot into it
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02:19<Guest3489>it says command not found
02:19<Guest3489>wait one sec
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02:20<jm_>what medium did you actually boot?
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02:20<Guest3489>I'm booting from usb, if that's what you're asking
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02:21<Guest3489>xfce is my DE
02:21<jm_>but what is on the USB?
02:21<Guest3489>I used Universal usb installer to put the xfce image on the usb
02:22<Guest3489>*debian
02:22<Guest3489>that's all that's on the usb
02:22<jm_>try "su -" and then see if you have chroot
02:22<Guest3489>su works but I don't know the password and it says authentication failure
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02:23<jm_>just press enter?
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02:23<Guest3489>authentication faliure
02:23<jm_>well then boot with debian cd as the factoid says
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02:23<Guest3489>that;s what I'm booting with right now
02:24<Guest3489>I can't get into the installed debian at all.
02:24<jm_>yeah boot the debian installer
02:24<Guest3489>I have it mounted and can see all te folders and stuff
02:24<Guest3489>I ran it already several times.
02:24<jm_>not to reinstall but to run the commands listed earlier ...
02:25<Guest3489>So I should execute a shell from the instaler?
02:25<jm_>yes
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02:27<Guest3489>!mbr
02:27<dpkg>The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR.
02:28<Guest3489>!fixmbr
02:28<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
02:28<jm_>!tell Guest3489 -about msg the bot
02:33<Guest3489>do I mount it as the sda or as the dbus(?) code
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02:36<jm_>huh?
02:37<Guest3489>nevermind
02:37<Guest3489>I was having trouble mounting the root filesystem
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02:41<Guest3489>I can't find the root directory
02:42<Guest3489>in the shell in the installer
02:42<Guest3489>I cna find it form the shell in the gui, but not from the shell in the installer
02:43<jm_>what do you mean? 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' or 'cat /proc/partitions' to list all the known partitions
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02:47<Guest3489>do I have to type these as one line or can I run them seperately where the ; are
02:47<jm_>; is a separator so you can all type it in one line and press enter
02:48<Guest3489>ok, but do I have to? also what should the target be of each line? is it the same each time or are there different ones?
02:48<jm_>no you can put each on a single line; "/target" is literally "/target" each time
02:49<jm_>it's /dev/whatever that you need to change though
02:50<Guest3489>yeah I changed it to dev/sda9 which is the root folder but it said no such file or directory
02:50<Guest3489>but I alos typed ext4 not 2
02:50<Guest3489>lemme double check mine is set 2
02:50<Guest3489>er 4
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02:51<Guest3489>yeah it's ext4
02:52<jm_>it's /dev/sda9, but really, do you have so many partitions?
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02:53<Guest3489>some of the listing are free space.
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02:55<Guest3489>yeah it's still saying no such file or directory
02:56<Guest3489>it won't let me mount it even
02:56<Guest3489>I got root in the live cd but I can't chroot in there
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02:57<Guest3489>wait I can chroot, but I can't get the update
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02:58<Guest3489>also while installing it wouldn't let me set grub as a bootable flag
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02:59<jm_>what does mount say?
02:59<Guest3489>just mount?
02:59<jm_>well the exact command you used and its output
03:00<Guest3489>mounting /dev/sda9 on /target failed: No such file or directory
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03:01<Guest3489>and what I'm typing is "mount -t ext4 /dev/sda9 on /target
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03:03<jm_>is sda9 mentioned in /proc/partitions? does it exist in /dev?
03:03<jm_>does /target exist?
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03:03<Guest3489>sda9 is in proc partitions
03:03<Guest3489>mentioned, in proc partitions
03:04<jm_>also run dmesg and see what kernel said at the bottom
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03:05<Guest3489>sda9 exists in /dev but I can't access it
03:05<Guest3489>where is kernal in dmesg? can't seem to find it
03:06<Guest3489>kernel
03:06<jm_>just type dmesg and read last 20 lines
03:06<jm_>dmesg<enter> obviously
03:06<Guest3489>yeah kernel isn't listed
03:07<Guest3489>maybe my live cd is corrupted or some shit?
03:07<jm_>something else is though, what does it say?
03:07<Guest3489>all 20 lines?
03:07<jm_>wait, don't use live-cd, boot with debian installer, we went through this a while ago, haven't we?
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03:08<Guest3489>yeah, Im jsut saying maybe my image is messed up
03:08<Guest3489>it's a bunch
03:08<jm_>how could it be messed up?
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03:09<Guest3489>idk, there is an option to check the integrity of the file in the installer. why would that be an option if it couldn't be messed up
03:09<Guest3489>ok what are you looking fo rin the dmesg?
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03:10<jm_>just ignore that, focus on mounting / now (can't say about dmesg since it can be so many things wrong - anything form mount or about sda etc.)
03:10<Guest3489>I can't really find anything there are some errors about unknown symbols, other than than everything seems in order
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03:11<Guest3489>ok
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03:12<jm_>did you check if /target exists
03:12<Guest3489>77.687436 mounted EXT4-fs (sda9) mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
03:12<Guest3489>in dmesg
03:12<Guest3489>lemme check
03:13<jm_>so it mounted it, how can it say no such file or directory - you must be doing something wrong
03:13<Guest3489>I don't know what I could be doing wrong, that's all I've typed
03:14<Guest3489>it has that 3 times btw that it mounted
03:14<jm_>don't mount it 3 times, umount it now until 'mount' shows it's no longer mounted, them mount it again
03:14<Guest3489>could it be becasue /target doesn't exist?
03:15<jm_>(mount should prohibit that anyway but let's do it properly)
03:15<jm_>does it exist or not?
03:15<Guest3489>I can't find it
03:15<Guest3489>I assume it would be in root right?
03:15<jm_>how are you looking for it?
03:15<Guest3489>cd /target
03:15<jm_>and that says?
03:16<Guest3489>can't cd to /target
03:16<jm_>does mount (just mount, no options) mention sda9?
03:16<Guest3489>yes
03:17<jm_>umount it until it no longer shows, then see if /target exists
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03:20<Guest3489>it won't let me unmount it
03:21<Guest3489>I did umount -t /dev/sda9 and nothing happened, no responce
03:21<jm_>umount /dev/sda9
03:21<jm_>no response usually means no error ...
03:21<Guest3489>said I can't umount /dev/sda9
03:21<Guest3489>I checked to see if it was still mounted after no error showed up and it still is
03:22<jm_>then reboot (reboot command) and let's do it again
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03:23<Guest3489>reboot command didn't do anything in the installer
03:23<jm_>then ctrl-alt-del
03:23<Guest3489>ok
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03:25<Guest3489>no such fiel or directory
03:25<Guest3489>this time it isn't mounted
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03:26<Guest3489>this time I didn't run the live cd than go to the installer from there.
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03:26<Guest3489>I just went straight to installer
03:26<jm_>did you press enter on the initial installer prompt on alt-f1?
03:27<jm_>should be some sort of welcome dialog or somesuch
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03:29<Guest3489>it doesn't do anything
03:29<Guest3489>I've been getting to the shell by starting the than selecting go back, which brings me to a list of items one of which being execute a shell
03:29<jm_>now check for /target and create it if it doesn't exit
03:30<jm_>no, go to alt-f2 and press enter there to get a shell
03:31<Guest3489>ok, I run the installer. it brings me to the select a language screen. alt-f1 doesn't do anything
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03:32<jm_>so select the language, then press alt-f2 and you should get a message to press enter to start a shell, press it
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03:32<Guest3489>ok I started the shell
03:33<jm_>now check for /target
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03:33<Guest3489>cant cd to /target
03:33<jm_>then just create it
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03:35<Guest3489>ok
03:35<Guest3489>it's made
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03:35<jm_>then proceed with the rest, but stop if one command fails
03:36<Guest3489>ok
03:36<Guest3489>can't mount no such device
03:36<Guest3489>gimme a sec
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03:37<jm_>i have no idea why you're the first person who has trouble with this, are you absolutely sure you have booted the debian installer?
03:38<Guest3489>yeah.
03:38<Guest3489>it mounted
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03:38<Guest3489>I read that windows 8 has trouble with grub because of efi or something like that
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03:39<jm_>that might have been true a while ago but not any longer
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03:39<Guest3489>do you mean because of newer versions of grub or windows?
03:40<jm_>(with troubles I mean troubles running those commands, not with grub booting etc.)
03:40<jm_>grub (although I use several years old grub version and it works just fine with windows 8, but it's pre-uefi system)
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03:42<Guest3489>I think it was just because there was no /target before
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03:42<jm_>yeah but; a) why if it exists for others, and b) how the hell could it say it mounted it as ext4 then ...
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03:43<jm_>doesn't matter, just proceed with commands
03:44<Guest3489>yeah I think I got updating grub right now
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03:45<jm_>and you installed it on /dev/sda? have you checked that you don't use windows 8 in secureboot mode?
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03:47<Guest3489>where do I install grub? it was on
03:47<Guest3489>/dev/sda7 before
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03:48<jm_>/dev/sda just make sure you can still boot windows somehow if this breaks anything
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03:49<Guest3489>ok, that's what I though and it's left alone
03:49<Guest3489>ok well I updated grub
03:49<Guest3489>should I just restart?
03:49<Guest3489>and check if it is an option in the bios?
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03:51<jm_>umount everything first and why do you expect this to show up in bios?
03:53<Guest3489>I'm tired, I assumed gru showed up in bios as an options as well as my usb and dev/sda1
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03:56<jm_>it won't show up in bios but when bios loads it from mbr
03:58<Guest3489>k
03:58<Guest3489>so how exactly do I umount this?
03:59<Guest3489>cause it's root now
03:59<Guest3489>wait nevermind
03:59<jm_>umount /target/dev ; umount /target/proc ; umount /target/sys ; umount /target
04:00<Guest3489>says /target/dev not found
04:01<Guest3489>cause /target is root now.
04:01<jm_>exit chroot first (exit)
04:01<Guest3489>thanks.
04:02<Guest3489>ok, all that is umounted
04:02<Guest3489>now do I umount dev sda9?
04:02<jm_>you did that with umount /target
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04:03<Guest3489>yeah it's unmounted
04:03<Guest3489>now do I jsut restart?
04:05<jm_>yes
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04:06<Guest3489>boots into windows.
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04:11<jm_>is sda the only drive in it?
04:12<Guest3489>what do you mean?
04:12<jm_>how many disk drives are in the system?
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04:13<Guest3489>the cd drive and a hard drive
04:13<Guest3489>the cd drive is empty
04:14<jm_>which grub commands exactly have you ran earlier?
04:14<Guest3489>I ran update-grub
04:14<Guest3489>that was it
04:14<miikkajo>hi, is there anyone running libvirt and kvm, what kind of network performance you are getting with virtio drivers host<->guest
04:14<jm_>bleh no wonder, grub-install is the more important one
04:15<Guest3489>ok, I tried running grub install on sda 7 and 9 it wouldn't allow it on either
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04:16<jm_>no on /dev/sda!
04:16<jm_>I said that at least 3 times by now
04:18<Guest3489>I thought you mean /dev/sda9 because you didn't say specifically ok gimme a sec
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04:23<Guest3489>yeah still boots to windows after installing on /dev/sda
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04:26<jm_>then I unfrtunately have no idea, maybe check bios options or whatever
04:26<Guest3489>yeah it's not in there
04:26<jm_>grub won't be there but boot options would be
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04:27<jm_>also verify if this is an uefi system (if so, you would need /boot/efi mounted so grub can be copied there)
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04:28<Guest3489>the only boot options are windows and the cd drive( the usb drive in unplugged
04:28<Guest3489>how do i verify it's uefi system?
04:28<jm_>check for stuff like fast boot etc.
04:28<Guest3489>fast boot is disabled in windows
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04:30<introom>hi
04:30<introom>does pinfo support 256 color?
04:30<jm_>introom: what exactly would you describe as "support"?
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04:32<themill>does a text manual need to be rendered in more than 8 colours?
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04:34<jm_>for UEFI apparently if /sys/firmware/efi exists in linux it was booted in uefi mode
04:35<Guest3489>what do you mean in linux?
04:35<Guest3489>you mean in the shell in the installer I was using?
04:36<jm_>for windows you can see it in sys info screen (MSINFO32)
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04:36<Guest3489>I can boot from my usb as uefi or not, does that effect anything?
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04:39<jm_>you should boot in a mode that matches existing windows installation
04:39<Guest3489>ok
04:40<Guest3489>it's uefi
04:40<jm_>if this is different to how you booted and installed debian before, try installing it again in correct mode
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04:42<Guest3489>it won't boot in uefi mode
04:42<Guest3489>it's in option in the bios
04:42<Guest3489>and when I select it as the only option it just boots to bios
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04:43<Guest3489>so should I try to copy grub to /boot/efi?
04:43<Guest3489>and how would I go about doing that?
04:43<Guest3489>which /boot/efi is it?
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04:43<jm_>no it needs to be booted in uefi mode for this to work
04:43<Guest3489>ok well the flash drive won't boot in uefi
04:44<Guest3489>I can burn a cd if that is necessary
04:44<sagpatke>Hi! I have installed Debian 8 in my laptop, and I'm trying to move the window close button in gnome shell to the left. I have tried changing (in dconf-editor) org>gnome>shell>extensions>classic-overrides>button-layout, but it doesn't seem to take effect. I'm also not able to find any information in debian wiki.
04:44<jm_>sagpatke: support for testing is in #debian-next
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04:45<sagpatke>jm_: Thanks. I'll ask there.
04:45<jm_>maybe try to find out how to get flash drive to boot in uefi mode
04:46<introom>jm_: I am under a 256 color terminal, I wonder if I could set some 256 color in pinfo color settings.
04:47<jm_>introom: based on 'pinfo pinfo' I would say no
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04:51<agresiv>hello
04:51<Guest3489>hi
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04:51<agresiv>I need some help
04:51<agresiv>can someone help me?
04:52<Guest3489>...you can always ask
04:52<agresiv>I need a FTP server
04:52<agresiv>that can create/store/modify users in his own database
04:52<weasel>you probably shouldn't.
04:52<agresiv>I mean, FTP software
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04:52<agresiv>for debian
04:53<agresiv>I dont want to mess with /etc/passwd
04:53<jm_>agresiv: vsftpd can do that if you really want FTP server
04:53<agresiv>okay, I know vsftpd
04:53<weasel>but you probably don't want FTP. use ssh with sftp.
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04:53<agresiv>but, when I want to login, it give me 530
04:53<agresiv>weasel, I want FTP server.
04:54<agresiv>because is a server for multiple users
04:54<agresiv>they work on this
04:54<weasel>but FTP is horrible.
04:54<weasel>use ssh with sftp.
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04:54<agresiv>weasel, ok... but how do I create users?
04:54<weasel>adduser.
04:55<agresiv>i dont want to create users in /etc/passwd
04:55<agresiv>:)
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04:55<weasel>then you lose.
04:55<agresiv>haha
04:55<agresiv>why?
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04:57<agresiv>:(
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04:58<petn-randall>!ftpmustdie
04:58<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html
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04:59<agresiv>petn-randall, but this is the point
04:59<agresiv>i dont want anonymous download bla bla bla
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05:01<petn-randall>agresiv: You want the automatic newline mangle?
05:01<Guest3489>yeah, I can't find anything on getting it to boot with the uefi option
05:02<Guest3489>least not with a linux distro
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05:02<petn-randall>agresiv: Or the missing transport security?
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05:03<jm_>Guest3489: if it was a new install that would not be a problem http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2014/12/30/installing-debian-in-uefi-mode-with-some-stunts/ but other than that i don't know why it doesn't work for you, maybe it's the same reason listed here
05:04<Guest3489>would using a physical disk fix my issues you think?
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05:05<rfreeman>where is the changelog of the netinstall CD itself? e.g. for 7.8.0 ? This link seems to not have latest changes http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/d/debian-installer-netboot-images/debian-installer-netboot-images_20130613+deb7u2.b4_changelog
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05:06<Guest3489>maybe I'll just install debian first on a nother hard drive than install windows 8 afterwards
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05:08<petn-randall>Guest3489: Did you use something like unetbootin to prepare you installation medium?
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05:10<Guest3489>I used Universal usb installer
05:11<Guest3489>I've done installs of other distros with the software in the past and everything has worked fine
05:11<Guest3489>this is the first time I've tried to dual boot though
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05:15<AntumDeluge>I'm having an issue with the "sed" command. I'm not on a Debian box right now, but I'm in a Unix-environment.
05:15<AntumDeluge>sed --version = sed (GNU sed) 4.2.2
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05:16<AntumDeluge>I can do the command: fname=`echo "${gname}" | sed 's/%20/ /g'` from a terminal and it works...
05:17<AntumDeluge>but it doesn't if I do it within a bash shell script.
05:17<AntumDeluge>Oh my! I just realized my script is using "sh", not "bash". Maybe that's why?
05:18<Guest3489>well, thanks for all the help anyways
05:18<agresiv>DAMN!
05:18<AntumDeluge>I'm trying to get sed to replace all the instances of "%20" with a single whitespace.
05:19<agresiv>nobody help me?
05:19<agresiv>  ?
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05:19<agresiv>AntumDeluge, use  
05:19<User8932333>Who is "TheGrebs
05:19<AntumDeluge>okay, I'll try that.
05:19<User8932333>Remove my information from your web logs!
05:20<User8932333>You do not have permission to publish my comments
05:20<introom>after some testing, I found out 'u' in pinfo goes to the upper node.
05:20<introom>but I found no where the document for it.
05:20<introom>do you where it resides?
05:20<User8932333>http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/
05:20<User8932333>Who's website is that?
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05:21<User8932333>http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/
05:21<User8932333>Whos website is that?
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05:22<AntumDeluge>Nope, " " didn't work agresiv.
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05:22<agresiv>AntumDeluge, what is the issue? what do you want exactly?
05:23<AntumDeluge>Oh! Am I off topic here too? Should I go to #debian-offtopic?
05:23<petn-randall>AntumDeluge: No, you're fine. #debian-offtopic is for casual chat, not for support.
05:24<AntumDeluge>Okay, thanks petn-randall.
05:24<AntumDeluge>I have one scipt that reads filename from a text file...
05:24<AntumDeluge>Some of the filenames have whitespace...
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05:25<AntumDeluge>So the first script converts the each whitespace instance to "%20"...
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05:25<agresiv>ok, and you want to convert
05:25<agresiv>all of the characters?
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05:25<AntumDeluge>The second script needs to convert "%20" back to whitespace.
05:25<agresiv>nano file.name
05:26<AntumDeluge>"."?
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05:26<agresiv>and
05:26<agresiv>press CTRL+\
05:27<AntumDeluge>I'm not using nano though.
05:27<Yoda-BZH>AntumDeluge: you have filenames in a file ? how are you iterating over it ?
05:27<AntumDeluge>hmmm, I'll post my script to pastebin.
05:28<Yoda-BZH>basically, something like for filename in $(cat file); do ... ; done
05:28<Yoda-BZH>?
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05:30<AntumDeluge>Ya, maybe I'm going about this wrong. I was putting the filenames into a variable in the text file.
05:30<Yoda-BZH>ok
05:30<AntumDeluge>Here is the scipt. It gathers files from a defined ${prefix} and exports them to a variable in another text file: http://pastebin.com/c0p02rup
05:31<Yoda-BZH>it's because IFS (internal field separator, man bash -> shell variables -> ifs) contains space
05:31<Yoda-BZH>before the loop, put :
05:31<Yoda-BZH>IFS="
05:31<Yoda-BZH>"
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05:31<Yoda-BZH>with this, the only thing that will separate two token will be the newline
05:32<Yoda-BZH>and a space will be treated as part of your filename
05:32<AntumDeluge>Put a ":" before the "for" loop?
05:32<Yoda-BZH>no, the two lines just after
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05:33<AntumDeluge>Ah, okay. I'll give that a try.
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05:33<Yoda-BZH>http://paste.debian.net/142635/
05:34<AntumDeluge>So I won't have to use "sed" then, correct?
05:34<Yoda-BZH>yes
05:35<weird404>i installed jessie and I cannot open any github pages with iceweasel. the browser briefly show the page then it seems it automatically redirects to a 404 error page. it only happens on github. works fine in chromium. anyone can help?
05:36<AntumDeluge>Okay, I get it. I'll have to re-write my first scipt. Thanks Yoda-BZH.
05:36<Yoda-BZH>np
05:37<ixi>weird404 lots of possibilities... check for malicious proxy server / router
05:37<ixi>malicious dns
05:41<weird404>ixi: thanks. but i have other computers in this network using iceweasel from wheezy with no problems. and chromium in jessie also works fine. i'll check the router anyway (openwrt) but i don't feel that is the problem
05:41<jm_>weird404: jessie support is in #debian-next
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05:41<ixi>weird404 are you loading github page over https ?
05:41<weird404>jm_: thanks. ai'll ask there
05:43<weird404>ixi: yes, over https. i just tested the front page and it works fine. but if i click in any project it redirects to a 404
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05:43<weird404>the url becomes: https://github.com/basho/javascript:%28function%28eventObj%29%20%7B%20%20var%20objectId%20=%20%27global-zeroclipboard-flash-bridge%27,%20%20%20%20%20%20ZC%20=%20null,%20%20%20%20%20%20swf%20=%20null;%20%20if%20%28typeof%20ZeroClipboard%20===%20%27function%27%20&&%20typeof%20ZeroClipboard.emit%20===%20%27function%27%29%20%7B%20%20%20%20ZC%20=%20ZeroClipboard;%20%20%7D%20%20else%20%7B%20%20%20%20swf%20=%20document%5BobjectId%5
05:44<weird404>sorry for the long url
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05:44<petn-randall>weird404: Do you have a javascript blocker or some other plugin?
05:46<weird404>i have ABP. i'll try disabling it
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05:47<ixi>makes me wonder why zeroclipboard is there
05:48<weird404>disabled all plugins, removed cookies but the problem remains
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05:49<ixi>looks like github does use zeroclipboard
05:50<ixi>weird404 you probably have builtin flash in google's blob but not any sort of flash accessible to iceweasel
05:50<ixi>weird404 https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
05:52<weird404>ixi I have lightspark. do i need to install the non-free flash-player to open github?
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05:52<ixi>try it and see
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05:53<ixi>I wouldn't be too surprised if lightspark is what breaks it
05:55<weird404>ixi in wheezy i don't have lightspark but gnash and it works
05:55<ixi>okay?
05:55<weird404>so maybe it really is a problem with lightspark
05:57<weird404>i can't find lightspark in iceweasel extras. shouldn't it be under "Extensions" ?
05:57<weird404>but i do have browser-plugin-lightspark installed
05:57<jm_>plugins probably
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05:58<infernix>i'm looking for a way to execute a command when the left mouse button (resistive touchscreen) is tapped X times within Y seconds, regardless of what application is running.
05:58<infernix>xbindkeys and xmacro don't seem to be able to do it. i'm at a loss for ideas. does such a thing even exist?
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05:59<delparnel>morning.
05:59<weird404>i disabled "Shockwave Flash" and it did the trick
06:00<weird404>ixi jm_ : thanks!
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08:04<alexiarc>Hi all, i have problems with Nomachine 4 server on Debian sid
08:04<alexiarc>The server says that there isnt any session
08:05<alexiarc>Anyone knows about Nomachine 4 usability in sid?
08:05<alexiarc>It can't access :0 display
08:05<jm_>support for unstable is in #debian-next
08:05<alexiarc>Thanks
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08:45<agresiv>hello
08:45<agresiv>so, i have this thing
08:45<agresiv>i have a user on ftp
08:45<agresiv>and when i upload something
08:46<agresiv>it changes rights directly to rw-rw----
08:46<agresiv>how do i change to rw-rw-rw?
08:46<agresiv>im using openssh ftp
08:47<themill>which are you using, openssh's sftp or scp or ftp? And which client?
08:48<ixi>http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Cookbook/SFTP#Umask
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08:48<agresiv>openssh's sftp. filezilla.
08:49<agresiv>the point is : the user is changing the rights automatically to rw-rw----
08:49<agresiv>sorry, typo : rw-r-
08:49<themill>you need to configure filezilla's umask
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08:51<themill>although I have no idea where they've hidden that in newer versions
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09:27<delparnel>agresiv: http://serverfault.com/questions/70876/how-to-put-desired-umask-with-sftp
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09:30<Xylon>can someone explain something to me? why does Wheezy apparantly have 467 release-critical bugs? https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
09:30<Xylon>it's already released
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09:32<Xylon>I guess they were discovered after the release?
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09:33<petn-randall>Xylon: Yes.
09:33<Xylon>and from the graph it looks like the RC bugs in stable are ocasionally fixed
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09:34<petn-randall>Xylon: That too. Some bugs would be too invasive to fix, so sometimes they don't get fixed at all in the stable release cycle.
09:34<Xylon>ah
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09:35<petn-randall>Xylon: Note that RC bugs are all bugs above a certain severity. For example, if the ICQ protocol changed, and pidgin couldn't connect to ICQ any more, that would probably count as RC bug.
09:35<Xylon>ah
09:35<Xylon>it's very interesting
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09:36<ixi>why are they named 'release-critical'
09:36<Xylon>I want to make a vlog to explain Debian to lay-people, I think I will have to give a very simplified explanation of the release system
09:36<Xylon>VERY simplified
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09:36<ixi>in my understanding, release-critical bug is a kind of blocker bug that needs to be fixed before a release can happen
09:36<petn-randall>ixi: Because for a release to happen, all RC bugs need to be fixed or mitigated.
09:36<ixi>yes
09:36<ixi>but
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09:37<Xylon>ixi: well I guess the smae bug could apply to both stable and testing
09:37<ixi>having release-critical bugs in release that was already released makes no sense to me
09:37<petn-randall>ixi: I think it would be more confusing to name "RC bugs" something else post-release.
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09:38<ixi>release-critical bug after release seems like a huge oxymoron to me
09:38<petn-randall>ixi: Calling a release "a release" that hasn't been released yet also makes no sense ;P
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09:38<ixi>petn-randall they call jessie a release
09:38<pujan14>petn-randall: at time of release there are no RC bugs so whatever bugs above critical level are discovered after release can be called something else
09:39<ixi>even though it's not 'out' yet
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09:39<ixi>https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities
09:40<ixi>why isn't one of these used
09:40<delparnel>"Certain severities are considered release-critical, meaning the bug will have an impact on releasing the package with the stable release of Debian."
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09:41<pujan14>delparnel: than RC bugs are for specific package and not for "release"?
09:41<ixi>so basically, 'rc bugs in current stable' is just a sum of critical+grave+serious bugs in current stable
09:42<ixi>I don't think I could have come up with a worse naming idea even if I tried.
09:43<delparnel>yes.
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09:44*petn-randall hands ixi the badge of supreme merit, honour and courage of naming things.
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09:45<pujan14>so RC bugs for wheezy means all RC bugs for packages that are part of wheezy? If so does that include non-free and such packages as well?
09:45<petn-randall>ixi: If you have a better name, feel free to pitch it on the debian-devel mailing list.
09:46<petn-randall>pujan14: man and contrib are covered, not sure about non-free.
09:46<petn-randall>*main
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09:47<pujan14>now it makes some sense. I think these things should have been written somewhere in documentation or in man pages :D
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09:49<petn-randall>pujan14: It's in Debian's documentation ...
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09:51<pujan14>just wanted to read that document, is it https://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#policy this one or some other?
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09:55<petn-randall>pujan14: Yeah, debian policy is a good start, it's quite verbose.
09:56<pujan14>petn-randall: ok thanks, I'll look into it
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11:27<delparnel>pujan14: yeah. all of the snippets I posted were from the docs/site.
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11:44<pasquale>ciao
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11:45<HurpaDurpa>Is there a good way to implement openvpn through the GUI/Gnome and also have dns leak protection / killswitch?
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11:59<olspookishmagus>is there some sort of offline documentation (packaged preferably) for debian packaging?
12:00<olspookishmagus>more or less, something like this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
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12:01<olspookishmagus>ok, I've found: debian-faq package xD
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12:14<jhutchins>!nmg
12:14<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/
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12:27<BrowncoatShadow>Hi, quick question. In wheezy, are the standard and rescue isos now the same? The .contents file for both are identical.
12:29<agresiv>hello! One question! What is the alternative of chroot in FTP?
12:29<agresiv>I want to "jail" some users for not leaving their current users, because.
12:29<agresiv>Sorry, I mean their current directories.
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12:30<agresiv>But I don't want to use chroot.
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12:33<avtobiff>agresiv, maybe you can configure the ftp daemon to do that for you?
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12:33<avtobiff>agresiv, why don't you want to use chroot?
12:34<agresiv>avtobiff, because it will conflict the groups
12:35<avtobiff>but not all users?
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12:38<agresiv>we have a user and a user group witch writes on 4 different mapped folders. using the chroot on 2 different ftp users need different groups wich will mess the file permissions
12:39<agresiv>and I am using OpenSSH SFTP
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12:39<jhutchins>agresiv: That's different from using ftp.
12:40<jhutchins>agresiv: https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/tools/limiting-access-with-sftp-jails-on-debian-and-ubuntu
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12:42<agresiv>It implying to change the groups, which I don't want
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12:45<agresiv>Hard thing, huh?
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13:04<avtobiff>agresiv, have you tried acl?
13:05<avtobiff>why do you want a user in a group where it should not have write access?
13:05<jhutchins>agresiv: It seems to me that you're trying to do something that has certain requirements, but you refuse to acknowledge that those are required to do what you want to do.
13:05<avtobiff>or whatever access?
13:05<avtobiff>what jhutchins said
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14:15<Shadowdancer>So I have a debian/unstable that, until yesterday, worked quite fine, but today refuses to recognise the (quite fine, I'm using it right now) link on the onboard realtek 8168 NIC :-| I can't see anything relevant in the dpkg logs from the last couple dist-upgrades
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14:16<Shadowdancer>even manually installed the firmware-realtek package since I didn't have that before and the system was complaining
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14:18<jhutchins>Shadowdancer: dmesg | less
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14:19<Shadowdancer>it loads the firmware, then complains that the link is down twice about 0.1s later, and then again when IPv6 address assignment comes through, nothing else
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14:58<adb>BTS has a channel somewhere ?
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14:58<avtobiff>adb, #debbugs
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15:05<adb>avtobiff, thanks
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15:07<avtobiff>adb, np
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15:23<wsirc_1022>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw7AwM9KXYI&feature=youtu.be
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16:09<blawiz>weird prob, on debian stable: open a pdf with evince ... can use it ok, but when ctrl-q .. it waits some sec then: "the window ... does not seem to be responding ... End process?"
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16:11<ompaul>blawiz: are you starting it from a terminal?
16:12<blawiz>ompaul, terminal or fm
16:13<awal>blawiz, evince doesn't "support" ctrl-q; try with ctl-w
16:13<blawiz>wut?
16:13<blawiz>i think ive been using it ...
16:13<awal>i mean , evince have not 'quit' option. just 'close'
16:14<blawiz>but the fm im using is a bit special, not sure how it really starts evince ... probably from term
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16:14<ompaul>which fm are you using?
16:15<awal>i just tested (sid) ctrl-q has no effect at all; ctrl-w yes
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16:15<blawiz>ahh.. but i tried to close fromt the menu ... the window just went gray
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16:16<blawiz>oh i guess i have gtk-evince
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16:17<valdyn>blawiz: the gtk version should not be different there
16:17<awal>blawiz: you browse your /home with which fm?
16:17<blawiz>_should_
16:18<awal>or is that a secret? :)
16:18<blawiz>awal qtfm ... i think i use my own opener
16:18<blawiz>i trust u
16:18<blawiz>:]
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16:19<valdyn>blawiz: ctrl-q may be cought by something else, not evince
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16:19<blawiz>valdyn, ahh yes
16:19<blawiz>but it seems not to want to close ... no matter how i do it
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16:19<blawiz>freezes instead
16:19<valdyn>blawiz: ctrl-w is not working?
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16:20<blawiz>valdyn, i think it tries to close it but it freezes
16:20<awal>valdyn: by my experience, if an X pack haven't 'quit' option in main menu, pressing ctrl-q have not effect at all
16:20<blawiz>awal, ahh.. maybe i configed the window manager probably
16:20<valdyn>blawiz: run "strace -ff evince", try to quit, see what you get
16:21<blawiz>awal ... to use ctrl-q for closing windows
16:21<awal>blawiz, never heard about your qtfm; is not in debian. I know what ctrl-q does :)
16:23<blawiz>valdyn, oh closing a empty evince worked without prob... trying with a pdf
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16:23<blawiz>valdyn, what should i look for? never used this before
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16:24<valdyn>blawiz: nothing, you can show us the output, someone might find something by looking at it
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16:26<blawiz>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9974176/pastebin.txt the last lines ... it quit after a while ...
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16:34<blawiz>nobody knows?
16:35<HurpaDurpa>Is there a realistic way I can give wheezy a vpn killswitch and no risk dns leak protection?
16:36<HurpaDurpa>This is within a VM so I am not worried about needing to use non vpn internet
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16:37<HurpaDurpa>I can make openvpn run from boot and I understand that, but I am finding all of the things involved in the network settings confusing. The gnome gui stuff etc. resolv.conf seemed like the solution to dns leaks but then network manager remade and edited the file by itself
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16:56<musca>HurpaDurpa: perhaps a channel like ##networking on freenode.net is more suitable for this special topic.
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16:57<HurpaDurpa>so all of these things will have the same config process for the most part with linux in general?
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16:58<HurpaDurpa>just thought how debian handles its network config etc would differ from other distros
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16:59<musca>##networking doesn't exclude debian related configs.
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17:01<HurpaDurpa>why do you put 2 ##'s >_> and kk I will go there
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17:02<musca>HurpaDurpa: no typo, freenode has rules for naming of channels.
17:02<HurpaDurpa>ah kk
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17:12<josh>hello all
17:13<martinnaughton>hey
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17:20<tabirra>\list
17:20<tabirra>hola
17:21<tabirra>aaa
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17:22<tabirra>ping
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17:49<adema>hi guys
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17:50<adema>i wonder how to know if my wireless card support ARP offload
17:50<adema>and if so, how can i enable it ?
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18:17<fixi>hey
18:17<fixi>I have a really dumb question
18:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 687] by debhelper
18:18<fixi>I'd like to install wheezy
18:18<centrx>That's more of a statement
18:18<fixi>but with the installer i cant customize the partitions
18:19<fixi>i've selected lvm home only
18:19<fixi>but would like to split the space in home one and increase the size left for the system
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18:20<centrx>fixi, You may have to select "Expert" or "Advanced" or whatever it is
18:20<centrx>fixi, as opposed to one of the defaults
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18:20<fixi>at the beginnging of the installer i presume
18:20<fixi>thanks
18:20<retrospectacus>"manual partitioning" or something
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18:21<centrx>fixi, it's in the partitioning step I think
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18:22<retrospectacus>http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/images/inst-partman.png
18:22<retrospectacus>Manual
18:23<fixi>i see that
18:23<fixi>however ive already chose the other full with lvm
18:23<fixi>and logical partitions are set up
18:23<fixi>but i cant customize size
18:23<fixi>or delete previous ones
18:23<centrx>Go Back?
18:23<fixi>go back -> chosing manual still the same
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19:09<chewy>I need to find out what version of i3 WM I'm using. What is the simplest way to do that?
19:10<chewy>FYI I'm using debian testing
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19:22<abrotman>chewy: dpkg -l i3
19:22<abrotman>or whatever the package is
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19:23<chewy>abrotman: Thanks man
19:23<chewy>abrotman: nice to see you again, I managed to install i3 on my virtual machine. seems to be working well but I just wanted to know that I had the current version :)
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19:27<abrotman>chewy: did that work?
19:28<chewy>abrotman: like a charm
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19:29<chewy>abrotman: I'm trying to find out how to improve font rendering atm
19:29<chewy>this is what my current system looks like
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19:30<chewy>http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2015-01-29_10_49_59-icfqjJu2.png
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19:32<chewy>abrotman: I'm using Unity atm - don't judge me. My hardware is realtively new and dosen't play nice with other distros
19:32<chewy>abrotman: Thus I have to use unity and virtualise most stuff
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19:34<Brigo>chewy, are you using unity in jessie?
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19:35<chewy>Brigo: No mate, its Ubuntu Unity
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19:36<chewy>Brigo: I'm not a fan of unity, especially with all these stupid lenses but I have a 1080p screen and nothing else seems to render as nicely as Ubuntu Unity.
19:37<chewy>Brigo: The terminal screen is so nice and crisp. I would kill to have the same config on another distro (preferably debian)
19:37<Brigo>chewy, the problem is not unity, but ubuntu. I do not know who ubuntu works, so i cannot help you.
19:37<Brigo>!ubuntu
19:37<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
19:38<chewy>No I'm fine with unity. Just trying to copy how they render font
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19:39<chewy>if anyone knows how they do it, please let me know. at the moment my terminal screen font looks really jagged
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20:24<awal>In windows/mac systems there is utilities included for manage power/battery and limit battery charging to x percentage for long battery life (I dont know if it's really true). Is there a way for limit battery charging under gnu/linux? Using debian here ofcourse
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20:27<peter1138> /win 27
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20:37<awal>I think that limit battery charging and prevent it from charging to 100% is just a story. In my new dell manual they say that with new ion battery charging to 100% and discharging to 0% is no longer a problem nowdays.
20:38<awal>what you think guys?
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20:41<awal>I'm asking that because I have a dell laptop inspiron r i5 and i run debian+openbox and battery is consumed so fast. my dell is 1 year old. when i both it battery lasts 7/8 hours, now only 3/4 hours. so i dont know if normal, battery getting old, or power managing issue under my debian system.
20:41<awal>bought it ^
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20:51<chewy>font rendering question. Can someone point me to a good article/source on how to improve font rendering in Debian? I'm using testing atm. I've seen a number of articles but some of them are a bit over my head. Cheers
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20:53<ixi>which WM/DE
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20:56<ixi>seen this yet? https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts
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20:56<ixi>the most important step is to actually have good fonts
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20:56<ixi>best looking in my experience are non-free fonts from windows
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21:03<chewy>ixi: I just looked at that link. Thanks. I was thinking maybe the Ubuntu fonts. I rather like them.
21:04<chewy>I going to try this: https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts
21:05<chewy>* script
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21:28<acald3ron>i want to do a bridge with eth0 and wlan0 with hostap.
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21:38<blast007>awal: you could check what the design capacity and full charge capacity is on your battery. it'll give you an idea of how degraded the capacity is. can't recall how to check that though.
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21:48<awal>blast007, that computer is off now but design capacity is around 6000 mAh and full charge capacity around 5000. dont remember exactly. later i check it
21:49<awal>blast007: so the battery still good i think so (?)
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21:51<awal>I check that runing acpi -V
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