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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-01-29

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01:20<rylanx>hello world?
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01:26<jm_>!ask
01:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:35<gone>음?
02:36<ixi>!kr
02:36<dpkg>hmm... kr is Korea (South)
02:36<gone>!kr
02:36<dpkg>from memory, kr is Korea (South)
02:36<gone>ah
02:36<gone>hello
02:37<ixi>hi
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02:48<tidux>I'm trying to rebuild eglibc from source on Lenny to patch GHOST, but it's complaining that as 2.20 and ld 2.20 are too old
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02:48<tidux>is there some magic string I can pass to "debian/rules " to fix this or do I have to edit generated files by hand?
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02:49<ixi>lenny?
02:50<ixi>old
02:50<tidux>well no kidding, but this is for a customer's box and he hasn't given me permission to dist-upgrade
02:50<jm_>grab lenny's glibc source and patch it and it should not complain for that
02:51<tidux>that's what I did
02:51<jm_>patch it as in just the parts needed patching
02:51<tidux>I grabbed it with apt-get source glibc
02:51<jm_>which version did it get?
02:51<ixi>can you build it unpatched ?
02:51<ixi>I mean, does it build ?
02:51<tidux>no
02:51<tidux>it fails at the configure step
02:51<ixi>you probably got the wrong version ..
02:51<tidux>it's glibc-2.7
02:51<tidux>right from the Lenny part of archive.debian.org
02:52<tidux>please explain how that's the wrong version
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02:52<ixi>show sources.list
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02:52<tidux>deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib
02:52<tidux>deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib
02:52<tidux>everything else is whitespace or a comment
02:53<jm_>what does it say for ld and as in debian/control?
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02:55<tidux> binutils (>= 2.17cvs20070426),
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02:56<jm_>what's the exact error then? put it on the pate site (/msg dpkg paste)
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03:00<tidux>http://paste.debian.net/142811/
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03:02<iCEmAN_CZ>hi all
03:02<ixi>tidux which command do you run
03:04<tidux>debian/rules binary
03:04<tidux>the patches applied successfully, so that's not the issue
03:04<tidux>it's just glibc's ./configure shitting the bed
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03:11<jm_>what does as --version say on lenny?
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03:12<tidux># as --version
03:12<tidux>GNU assembler (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.20.1-system.20100303
03:12<tidux>and then the usual copyright stuff
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03:13<jm_>yeah that's above what configure wants, 2.1[3-9]* - no idea why this happens and I can't see bug reports about this either, which is rather strange
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03:16<jm_>so I checked and lenny has binutils 2.18, which version do you have?
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03:16<tidux>2.20
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03:16<jm_>that's your problem then
03:16<tidux>but this guy was a real special snowflake and had pulled packages from Squeeze at some points
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04:08<Alan_Turing47>s
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04:09<Alan_Turing47>aloha
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04:34<bipul>I lost my root passwod of my debian. And I am not able to get in a "Single user" mode aka rescue mode. Could anyone tell me what to do?
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04:35<Yoda-BZH>use a live cd or an install cd, manage to get a console, mount the partition somewhere, chroot in it, and just use passwd
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04:36<jm_>!i forgot root's password
04:36<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
04:37<petn-randall>bipul: Ah, don't crosspost, bipul.
04:37<petn-randall>!tell bipul -about crosspost
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05:16<mtj>help author
05:16<mtj>oops ^
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06:47<adrenalink>hello!. I need to set some parameters of a kernel module (rtl8188ee). How can I do? have I to remove the module-set-reload??
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06:50<jm_>yes
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06:51<adrenalink>jm_: when i try to reload the module with insmod, a message says to me that no file related to that module has been found
06:51<jm_>adrenalink: use modprobe instead
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06:52<adrenalink>jm: so, rmmod modulename , modprobe param=value, modprobe modulename . is the correct syntax?
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06:52<jm_>adrenalink: no, modprobe modulename param=value
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06:53<adrenalink>jm_: wait plz. I'm trying so I will disconnect.
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06:59<adrenalink>jm_: It works! how can i make this settings the default one?
06:59<jm_>adrenalink: add it to a file in /etc/modprobe.d
06:59<adrenalink>jm_ which is the syntac to write in this file?
07:00<jm_>adrenalink: look at the existing files there, it shall be obvious
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07:00<adrenalink>jm_ I only have empty files, or file to blacklist modules. Not for setup a module parameter
07:01<jm_>adrenalink: you don't have /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf there for example?
07:01<adrenalink>no
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07:01<jm_>options i915 modeset=1
07:01<jm_>so module name and parameters need changing
07:02<jm_>but obviously use a different filename
07:02<adrenalink>I have a modesettins.conf with syntax like options modulename param= value
07:02<adrenalink>is this the file I need to change?
07:02<jm_>no, add a new file
07:03<adrenalink>ok. I write a custom file.conf and add that syntax
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07:03<adrenalink>what about modesettings.conf?
07:03<jm_>leave it alone
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07:04<adrenalink>for what it is used?
07:04<jm_>I have no clue, there's no such file owned by any debian package
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07:05<adrenalink>I have two modules setup inside it: cirrus and mgag200 (both with modeset=1)
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07:08<adrenalink>jm_ how can I see the value of a module parameters?
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07:09<jm_>adrenalink: it's visible in /sys/module/<module_name>/parameters
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07:10<adrenalink>jm_ thank you!!!
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07:10<jm_>no problem
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08:13<madduck>to print, do i actually need to run a cups *server* on every workstation?
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08:16<peter1138>I think so. CUPS is basically a server and a client.
08:16<madduck>ha!
08:16<madduck>no…
08:16<peter1138>Hmm, maybe not.
08:16<madduck>CUPS_SERVER=printer.is lpstat -a
08:16<madduck>http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-2.0/sharing.html
08:16<peter1138>/etc/cups/client.conf: ServerName ...
08:17<madduck>oh this is AWESOME
08:17<madduck>i *hate* cups (although quite frankly, it's better than anything else…)
08:17<peter1138>It's better than the old way, I suppose.
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08:21<Rasta>How can I install nvidia opengl driver (non sse2)?
08:21<Rasta>Open Arena seriously lags on my PC
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08:23<jm_>you mean nvidia non-free driver?
08:24<Rasta>I'm not sure
08:24<jm_>!nvidia
08:24<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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08:24<jm_>read the wiki
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08:25<Rasta>the wiki says nothing about non sse2
08:26<jm_>why do you think it matters ...
08:27<Rasta>my video card is non sse2.
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08:27<Rasta>I've had issues in the past because my video card was non sse2
08:27<Rasta>my processor
08:28<jm_>sse2 is not related to your video card, it's cpu related
08:28<jm_>but off now
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08:29<jm_>just try installing the nvidia non-free driver and see how it goes (check if you need the legacy version)
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08:29<Rasta>which legacy version should i choose?
08:29<Rasta>For support of GeForce 6xxx and higher GPUs (supported devices). For older devices, see Version 173.14.35 (legacy GPUs) and Version 96.43.23 (legacy GPUs).
08:30<devil_>the one matching your card
08:31<fooctrl>any particular meeting points for debian people on fosdem?
08:31<madduck>haha
08:31<madduck>at the big square by the church
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08:32<devil_>I thought, in front of Männiken Piss
08:32<fooctrl>central square? :D
08:32<fooctrl>what about Delirium on Friday
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08:33<fooctrl>I mean tomorrow :D
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08:35<Rasta>It says that i should add 'contrib non-free' should i add this to just one or all ?
08:36<SynrG>All the applicable ones
08:36<SynrG>e.g. you do need security updates
08:36<Rasta>i dont know what i need honestly
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08:37<Rasta>this is their example: # Debian 7 "Wheezy"
08:37<Rasta>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
08:37<Rasta>so everything ending in /debian/wheezy... i add contrib non free...right?
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08:42<Rasta>Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example:
08:42<Rasta># Debian 7 "Wheezy"
08:42<Rasta>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
08:43<Rasta>what does that mean?
08:43<Rasta>do i add to one line or all simalr lines?
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08:44<Volley>Rasta: see https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList to figure out what "components" are
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08:46<Rasta>Volley: I know what components are but there are many similar ones. Do i add to onle line or all similar lines?
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08:49<Rasta>to which components do i add "contrib non free"
08:50<petn-randall>Rasta: On every line that ends with main, just add 'contrib non-free' to the end of it.
08:51<Rasta>EVERY?
08:51<Rasta>EVERY LINE?
08:51<koollman>YES!
08:51<devil_>how many do you have?
08:52<Rasta>#
08:52<Rasta># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.8.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20150110-13:31]/ wheezy main
08:52<Rasta># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.8.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20150110-13:31]/ wheezy main
08:52<Rasta>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
08:52<Rasta>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
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08:52<peter1138>8/win 28
08:52<peter1138>Urgh
08:52<Volley>... that was bould to happen
08:52*petn-randall facepalms.
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08:53<petn-randall>I just told him to read the topic, because he queried me. Then he proceeds to paste his whole sources.list to the channel ...
08:53<Tafari>sorry petn-randall
08:53<Tafari>did you see the sources list?
08:54<petn-randall>Tafari: Are you Rasta?
08:54<Tafari>yes
08:54<Tafari>all lines starting from #3
08:54<Tafari>?
08:54<petn-randall>Tafari: Use http://paste.debian.net to share your sources.list with us.
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08:55*Volley points to the /topic ( again ... just in case )
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10:37<jeivy>hi; does anybody know how to compile the kernel in a mounted dir out of rootfs?
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10:39<EmleyMoor>Anydecent PCI Express Wieless card supporting 802.11ac and capable of serving as an access point?
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11:07<redeeman>do users need to be added to a group to be allowed to have their crontab run?
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11:12<ToBeFree>redeeman, not that I'd know. I have created some users that are - if at all - members of their own usergroup and their crontab is nicely executed on Ubuntu
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11:27<olasd>I have this weird thing where unattended-upgrades doesn't upgrade unattended-upgrades
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11:30<petn-randall>olasd: Might make sense if you think about it ... :)
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11:37<bastiandg>what is the preferred way of upgrading a system? apt doesn't restart all services, which depend on a library. there was a discussion about integrating "needrestart" but sadly it didn't have a result: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2014/09/msg00000.html
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11:39<centrx>bastiandg, if you're talking about upgrading an entire system from one release to the next, there should be a reboot for the kernel, and a reboot is the easiest way to deal with these libraries
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11:44<bastiandg>not necessarly a dist-upgrade, a good example is the libc, wenn you upgrade it, apt doesn't restart any service, even though you the service restart for the upgrade to take effect
11:46<koollman>bastiandg: probably using checkrestart or needrestart (from debian-goodies package, and packaged in wheezy backports, respectively)
11:46<koollman>(I know no good way currently)
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11:48<bastiandg>yes that's the heart of the problem, how do you do it then? did you integrate checkrestart/needrestart in apt/aptitude with some kind of hook?
11:49<koollman>currently ... I mostly rely on rebooting the servers. Or restarting specific services. no good ways
11:54<bastiandg>that's a pitty, but thank you for the input
11:55<koollman>if you find something better, I would be glad to hear it :)
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11:55<bastiandg>i will
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12:11<petn-randall>bastiandg: needrestart will restart daemons if the library it uses is upgraded. But sometimes it makes sense to upgrade and restart at different times, which is why it's not installed by default.
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12:17<AndroUser_>Hi,all. When the Debian Jessie released?
12:17<ckosloff>maniana
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12:17<acald3ron>ckosloff, nah , really ?
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12:18<ckosloff>acald3ron: si, maniana
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12:18<acald3ron>ckosloff, en donde esta la fuente para leerla.
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12:18<frankii>See meaning 2: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ma%C3%B1ana#Adverb
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12:19<ckosloff>acald3ron: it is in code freeze, ironing out some bugs but there is no firm ETA as of yet
12:20<frankii>La verdadera respuesta es cuando seÃa listo, o algo asi. :-P
12:20<frankii>sea*
12:20<AndroUser_>式版
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12:20<ckosloff>AndroUser_: that is a malformed URL
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12:21<ckosloff>frankii: cuando estara lista, AFAIK jessie is female
12:21<frankii>Ah, bueno. Gracias.
12:22<acald3ron>frankii, ese slogan ya me lo se de memoria.
12:22<ckosloff>frankii: de nada
12:22<ckosloff>acald3ron: por eso, maniana
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12:23<ckosloff>I also have a question: when apache installs on wheezy it creates two networks: 127.0.0.1 allocated to localhost...
12:24<blast007>what do you mean by "creates"?
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12:25<ckosloff>and another one 127.0.1.1 blank, question is: where should I put my vhosts: at 127.0.01 localhost?
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12:25<acald3ron>ckosloff, no sabes lo que dices !
12:25<ckosloff>blast007: it writes to /etc/hosts
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12:26<ckosloff>acald: ahora esta mejor?
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12:26<blast007>The language of this channel is English. There are other language specific channels if you're prefer.
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12:27<blast007>ckosloff: I have apache installed on Debian Wheezy, and I do not have a 127.0.1.1 entry in my hosts file.
12:27<ckosloff>question: in /etc/hosts, vhosts should go under 127.0.0.1 localhost, or under 127.0.1.1?
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12:28<ckosloff>blast007: what is in there: just 127.0.0.1 localhost?
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12:28<acald3ron>blast007, yes, but they are responding in spanish. tell them to respond in inglish.
12:28<blast007>127.0.0.1 localhost, and then one for my eth0 IP, and three for various IPv6 related things
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12:29<AndroUser_>dpkg:who are you?
12:29<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, AndroUser_
12:29<ckosloff>blast007: probably 127.0.1.1 refers to the eth0 IP
12:29<blast007>ckosloff: in any case, use the 127.0.0.1 unless you have a specific reason for a different bind IP
12:30<blast007>eth0 should not be 127.0.0.1
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12:30<ckosloff>blast007: so all vhosts should go after 127.0.0.1 localhost separated by a space, right?
12:30<blast007>your 'lo' interface should be assigned 127.0.0.1 if you check the output of 'ip a'
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12:31<blast007>are you only wanting the websites to be available from the system running Apache and not from any other computers?
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12:33<ckosloff>blast007: I am building a couple sites in a remote server connected to the internet, there is no IP bind between domain names and sites that I am building yet...
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12:33<ckosloff>so probably I don't need virtualization there
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12:33<blast007>127.*.*.* is the loopback address range, so that all points to the local system. you won't be able to access the sites externally if you bind them to that address.
12:34<ckosloff>I also have a test VM in my computer and a localhost there, all for testing purposes...
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12:34<ckosloff>I am aware that 127 *** is the local loopback
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12:36<blast007>so you're just going to access the sites locally on that server?
12:36<ckosloff>when I am ready to go live I will remove that bind, I don't think that I should have it in the remote server, as DNS should take care of that
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12:37<ckosloff>yes, but I am thinking of getting rid of all that in the remote server altogether
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12:37<ckosloff>so I would access by IP (not propagated) /website
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12:38<ckosloff>I still cannot understand what is the purpose of that second network in /etc/hosts
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12:39<petn-randall>ckosloff: historical reasons
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12:39<ckosloff>petn-randall: meaning?
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12:39<owner>hi
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12:40<owner>hi
12:40<blast007>ckosloff: Does your eth0 have a 127.x.x.x address?
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12:40<owner>anyone know to fix debian package?
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12:40<blast007>owner: you'll have to be far more specific
12:40<retrospectacus>owner: yes
12:40<ckosloff>blast007: please post command to find out
12:41<petn-randall>ckosloff: IIRC, feel free to remove it. I forgot the reasoning behind it, you might find it with a few google search tries.
12:41<ckosloff>owner: start by package name
12:41<blast007>ckosloff: 'ip a' (assumed you knew because you had said "probably 127.0.1.1 refers to the eth0 IP")
12:41<owner>petn im gonna search it on google?
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12:42<blast007>owner: is there something specific we can help you with?
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12:43<owner>guys help
12:43<blast007>owner: please do not send me .exe files..
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12:43<owner>because i cant download that thing :(
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12:43<owner>has .exe
12:44<petn-randall>owner: We can't help you unless you ask a specific question.
12:44<petn-randall>!tell owner -about ask
12:44<retrospectacus>owner: explain what you want to do
12:44<ckosloff>blast007: nice command, yes lo is 127.0.0.1 loopback and eth0 is the broadcast address
12:44<owner>when i downlaod that game it will say that CrossFire_NA.exe is not a Debian Package
12:44<owner>how do i fix it?
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12:44<petn-randall>ckosloff: I don't think eth0 has a broadcast address assigned ...
12:45<blast007>owner: that's because it is a Windows executable.
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12:45<ckosloff>blast007: please bear in mind that there are 4 IPs in that VM eth:0, etyh0:1 eth0:2 eth0:3
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12:45<owner>so icant downlaod that then?
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12:45<valdyn>owner: why cant you download it?
12:45<blast007>owner: what exactly are you trying to do?
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12:46<valdyn>its a farmbot
12:46<valdyn>appearantly
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12:47<owner>how do i fix it ?
12:47<valdyn>owner: run it on windows
12:47<retrospectacus>owner: install windows. That program is not for Debian Linux
12:47<owner>blast im trying to open the game it wont let me
12:47<owner>i cant go back in the Windows
12:48<retrospectacus>then you can't run that program
12:48<owner>because its too lagy in the WIndows
12:48<petn-randall>owner: Linux won't fix that.
12:48<owner>when i click open with wine window installer it wont pop out
12:48<petn-randall>owner: What version of Linux are you running?
12:48<owner>mint 17
12:48<petn-randall>!mint
12:48<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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12:49<petn-randall>owner: ^^^^ try their support channel, you're in the wrong one.
12:49<ckosloff>petn-randall: blast007: I think that my question has been answered, in order to virtualize in my localhost I should use 127.0.0.1 localhost, and then the names of the sites in /var/www that I am working on
12:49<valdyn>nice catch
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12:49<owner>petn can you give me the channel please
12:49<petn-randall>owner: Read dpkg's message.
12:49<owner>ok thanks
12:50<owner>404 Not Found
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12:50<owner>if i search does 404 Not Found
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12:50<retrospectacus>owner: go to the Linux Mint support channel
12:51<ckosloff>irc.spotchat.org
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12:51<ckosloff>this is OFTC
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13:26<foooandi>Hello. What kind of licence would be the best for the holy bible? The text should not be changeable but it creating epubs mobis and apps should be doable.
13:27<foooandi>sry for my english
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13:33<centrx>foooandi, You are making your own translation?
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13:37<foooandi>centrx, no i would like to distribute the bible in epub, mobi and as apps but the licence sucks, so i am going to ask the copyrightholders to change the licence.
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13:38<centrx>foooandi, The Bible is public domain unless it is a translation published after 1929
13:38<foooandi>centrx, yes i mean the german translation
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13:55<awal>I want change my wifi card for my dell laptop by one that no need non-free firmware (iwlwifi and realtek) and supported free linux firmwares. Any suggestions?
13:57<awal>I mean suggestion for the "good and best" intel wifi card working without need of non-free firmwares :)
13:57<towo`>afaik there is not intel wifi card, which doesn't need non-free firmware
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13:59<awal>ah :( I tought that only the latest intel wifi card including support for new technologies needs non-free firmware
14:00<awal>so all intel cards need non-free?
14:01<blast007>awal: if you're intending to replace the internal card, be aware that some systems may restrict which cards you can use to only ones they sold with the laptop model. (For instance, some Thinkpad models check the PCI ID of the card against a whitelist in the BIOS - not sure about Dell though)
14:01<mgv>awal: ath9k cards do not need non-free firmware
14:03<awal>blast007: yeah , I seen similar advise in my dell user guide
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14:05<awal>mgv: exact. I have 4 laptops here running debian . 2 of them need iwlwifi (thinkpad and dell, intel). others 2 uses ath9k (acer and lenovo idepad, atheros)
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14:06<awal>So I'll check if I can find a good Atheros one and check if dell will accept it
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14:07<blast007>or get a USB adapter with the Atheros AR9170 chipset (as mentioned on https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi )
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14:11<awal>blast007: thanks. I'll check the link.
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14:12<blast007>awal: that wiki page also links to thinkpenguin.com which does have a variety of internal cards
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14:13<awal>I want change the wifi card because, even if the dell and thinkpad are newer, comparing with many other laptops I have and had, I have better connection with cards using free firmware.
14:13<awal>blast007: ok, yes I seen that.
14:14<kalin00b>i got a penguin sticker to go over my windows key and a mousepad from that site :)
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14:14<WhOaMi2>i broke my laptop YAY
14:15<retrospectacus>woohoo!
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14:50<awal>Thats crazy, one pay a lot of money for a desktop or laptop and then he cant do what he wants with his machine... I try to sell all my non-free machines and buy something from thinkpenguin or other vendors listed in http://www.gnu.org/links/companies.html :)
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14:51<awal>^i'll try ;)
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14:53<awal>kalin00b, laptops/desktops and others hardware/accessories selt by thinkpenguin are new or used?
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14:54<awal>kalin00b: ^
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14:54<kalin00b>new i believe
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14:54<blast007>awal: they have a contact form linked on their 'about' page
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14:55<kalin00b>everything i got was new but i didnt buy a laptop/desktop
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14:55<kalin00b>i bought accessories
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14:55<awal>blast007: yes, I'm in. I'm going to call them and see :)
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14:56<kalin00b>support them for sure though if you're looking for one ^_^
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14:57<kalin00b>i love how my stupid laptops windows key is now a penguin hehe
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15:00<kalin00b>if i want to permanently enable ip forwarding on my machine I put ...? in /etc/sysctl
15:00<kalin00b>i see a lot of commented out do not accept but nothing saying do it does that mean I am?
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15:02<Guest3689>I'm using Jessie and can't get KDE to remember any file associations. What can I do?
15:03<kalin00b>im trying to become a router :P following along with linux book
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15:04<kalin00b>i think i configured it as such like a while back but i dont remember what i did sooo
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15:15<awal>Guest3689: support for Testing is in #debian-next
15:15<awal>or check #debian-kde
15:15<Guest3689>awal: thanks
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15:23<WhOaMi2>fuck the interenet
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15:31<Redik>anybody here?
15:31<towo`>no
15:31<towo`>only bots
15:32<Redik>:'(
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15:32<towo`>!ask
15:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:34<centrx>!bot
15:34<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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16:29<ladislav>vás tuje jinak čus:)
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16:35<photographer>sorry delphi for debian?
16:35<photographer>kylix?
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16:56<jesus>hi
16:57<musca>hi
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16:57<musca>photographer: the bot has some factoids for you:
16:58<musca>!pascal
16:58<dpkg>i guess pascal is not a language. It was an experiment combining the flexibility of C with that of a drug-crazed penguin. a toy language, or see gpc, or #pascal, or see free pascal
16:58<musca>!kylix
16:58<dpkg>somebody said kylix was at http://www.borland.com/kylix/, or not portable
16:58<musca>!free pascal
16:58<dpkg>[free pascal] an advanced open source compiler for Pascal and Object Pascal, see http://www.freepascal.org or the #fpc IRC channel on freenode
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16:59<musca>,v fpc
17:00<judd>Package: fpc on i386 -- squeeze: 2.4.0-2; wheezy: 2.6.0-9; wheezy-backports: 2.6.4+dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.6.4+dfsg-4; sid: 2.6.4+dfsg-4
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17:01<musca>,info fpc-2.6.4 --release wheezy-backports
17:01<judd>Package fpc-2.6.4 (devel, optional) in wheezy-backports/i386: Free Pascal - SDK-2.6.4 suite. Version: 2.6.4+dfsg-4~bpo70+1; Size: 17.6k; Installed: 42k; Homepage: http://www.freepascal.org/
17:03<Pops>IDENTIFY
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17:04<Pops>Hey...
17:04<musca>hey Pops
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17:05<Pops>Just revvved up this old laptop with LXLE...a lower branch of Debian...trying to get the webcam to work.
17:06<Pops>Besides SKYPE, what other programs would attempt to activate the webcam automatically? Any clue (other than AIM)?
17:09<Pops>oh well, it was just a thought
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17:13<Guest3701>quit
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17:30<corey>hey guys- new to debain :)
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17:32<centrx>!hi
17:32<dpkg>hello, centrx
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17:42<corey>im loving it so far
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17:47<corey>ok got a? why isnt skype in the repos?
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17:50<KingOfDos>because it's closed/proprietary software
17:50<KingOfDos>can you trust a binary blob? ;]
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18:00<centrx>the binary blob monster
18:01<centrx>actually records all your Skypes and sends it to the NSA and the Five Eyes
18:01<Brigo>KingOfDos, unlike nvidia blob, of course :)
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18:07<KingOfDos>Brigo: not sure how they manage that. could be, that on some level, the sources may be reviewed. or whatever.
18:07<KingOfDos>it also depends licences. and hmm
18:07<KingOfDos>since Microsoft, Skype just sucks
18:08<KingOfDos>used to have SIP access to it
18:08<KingOfDos>the good old days
18:08<KingOfDos>10000 solutions but skype ait one
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18:10<KingOfDos>you can ofc install the binary blob thing from skype for linux. but it's not within debian, and my guess is, it never will be :)
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18:14<musca>Iceweasel and chromium have WebRTC, latest Firefox brings integrated "firefox hello" to set up connection.
18:16<musca>not Iceweasel 31.x (esr) but the release channel (iceweasel 35) see mozilla.debian.net
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18:44<chewy>Xterm or rxvt-unicode? I like working at a terminal. But don't font resolution/rendering is important to me. There seems to be arguments in favour of both. I just want to make sure fonts appear nice and clear. Any suggestions?
18:45<chewy>* but font resolution/rendering ...
18:45<centrx>rxvt is faster
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18:47<chewy>centrx: So I hear but visuals are more important to me
18:48<chewy>centrx: font rendering in rxvt looks terrible.
18:49<chewy>centrx: conversly gnome-terminal is a bit bloated
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18:50<chewy>chewy: so many terminal emulators to look through its hard to make decision.
18:50<chewy>* make a
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18:51<centrx>chewy, terminator is fancy
18:51<centrx>chewy, I mean Terminology, from the Enlightenment project
18:51<chewy>centrx: yeah I'm a big fan. But I'm using i3 - window tiling manager
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18:51<chewy>centrx: ow
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18:53<paxmark9>I have been going towards qt5 apps. qterminal for me is not as bloated as some but functional. Fonts ok.
18:54<paxmark9>it will be in stable when jessie is stable.
18:54<chewy>paxmark9: not a fan of qt sorry mate
18:54<chewy>i currently running xterm
18:54<chewy>here is a screen shot
18:55<chewy>http://picpaste.com/i3-UUjZu5uK.png
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19:15<FacuFan>Hi
19:15<FacuFan>dadas
19:15<FacuFan>xD
19:15<FacuFan>Hola?
19:15<themill>!es-social FacuFan
19:15<dpkg>FacuFan: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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19:37<Brigo>themill, there is no #debian-es-cachondeo channel (thanks god)
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19:49<themill>oh. there used to be
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20:00<dreamy_>hi friends can i ask a debian based question please?
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20:00<centrx>!ask
20:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:02<dreamy_>i have an old computer, im running debian 6.0, i cannot upgrade (lack of resourses) , im having totorubles with my browser..
20:02<centrx>What kind of troubles?
20:02<dreamy_>latency
20:02<dreamy_>crashes
20:03<centrx>What browser and version?
20:03<centrx>Did you do anything right before this started happening that might have caused it?
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20:03<dreamy_>im using icweasel, and epiphany
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20:03<dreamy_>centrx, no, its a second hand computer with a sis motherboard and an old processor
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20:04<centrx>ah so you just got the computer and this is a new install?
20:04<dreamy_>i think i might need a light weight and stable browser
20:04<dreamy_>no not at all centrx
20:04<dreamy_>centrx, i use my browser for you tube
20:05<dreamy_>centrx, when i go at system monitor its the processor that is slowing down
20:06<centrx>one sec
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20:06<centrx>dreamy_, So here is a list of some, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_browsers
20:06<centrx>dreamy_, I know dillo, midori, and netsurf are in Debian and others as well
20:06<dreamy_>yes but i whould love a recomendation
20:06<retrospectacus>midori
20:07<dreamy_>can i just do synaptics?
20:07<retrospectacus>terminal is faster :) apt-get install midori
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20:08<dreamy_>yeah, been using debian.. , terminal.. cool
20:08<dreamy_>..started with ubuntu
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20:09<dreamy_>linux has a bit of troubles playng videos it think
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20:13<dreamy_>whats the difference between jack and pulse or oss
20:13<dreamy_>open sourse sound
20:13<centrx>OSS was the original Linux sound system, since replaced by ALSA
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20:14<dreamy_>whats the quality or versatibility changes or difference in all those?
20:14<dreamy_>quality of sound
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20:15<dreamy_>but jack is something else, its good a sound engine, i use i every day
20:15<dreamy_>i=it
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20:16<centrx>ALSA is the core lower level. Pulse and JACK are both used by applications for various things
20:16<dreamy_>why are there both
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20:17<retrospectacus>why not
20:18<dreamy_>sure. thats ok, thats great, but what do they do different
20:18<centrx>Jack seems to be used more by actual audio applications
20:19<centrx>for doing fancy audio-specific things
20:19<centrx>pulse seems to be more generic
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20:22<dreamy_>is one of the reasons that difere ubuntu from debian, is the support rooms and the documentation?
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20:23<dreamy_>changing subject..
20:23<retrospectacus>those are *ways* they are different, not reasons
20:25<dreamy_>retrospectacus, the ubuntu support room is diferent from debian, that can make me think twice before i choose what distro
20:26<abrotman>Do you want to talk about Debian?
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20:28<dreamy_>im a musician
20:28<dreamy_>linux is great
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20:30<dreamy_>if id had cash id install a brand new latest version of ubuntu "studio"
20:31<dreamy_>not unless if debian has an equivalent
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20:32<debianfun>has anyone tried installing debian on a project sputnik desktop instead of ubuntu?
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20:34<dreamy_>debianfun, debian has been working with my computers way beyond better then ubuntu
20:35<debianfun>k
20:37<abrotman>dreamy_: Do you need help with Debian? This is a Debian support channel
20:38<dreamy_>abrotman, what if i want to get phylosofic
20:38<dreamy_>?
20:39<centrx>psychotic?
20:39<dreamy_>whats that?
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20:39<centrx>nevermind
20:39<centrx>!next
20:39<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
20:40<dreamy_>did i not type phylosofic, well, correctly?
20:41<retrospectacus>if you don't have a debian question, please be quiet. No, we don't want to get philosophical. Try #moocows
20:41<dreamy_>nevermind
20:41<centrx>philosophic, as in "Part of the philosophy of Debian is embodied in the Debian Social Contract"
20:41<centrx>dreamy_, https://www.debian.org/social_contract
20:42<dreamy_>im not good with browsing :(
20:42<dreamy_>i only browse when im desperate
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20:51<dreamy_>centrx, how can "philosofic" can relate to psychotic?
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20:52<centrx>dreamy_, It was a joke/misread because of the misspelling
20:52<centrx>dreamy_, Chat in #moocows
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21:21<Thomas>Hi
21:22<Thomas>I have an old NAS with an 400Mhz Arm CPU , is it better to use armel or armhf ?
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21:23<centrx>armhf is newer
21:23<James_T>and hardfloat
21:24<centrx>but you should check with your exact CPU model, not just '400MHz'
21:24<James_T>Thomas: check the cpu. armhf code doesn't work on armel cores
21:24<Thomas>hardfloat?
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21:29<nena>hola
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21:35<twb>Dumb question: is this building the ramdisk twice? And if so, why? http://sprunge.us/IDaK
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21:35<twb>Oh wait, it's somehow got two kernels installed
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21:36<twb>No it doesn't, that "Setting up linux-image-amd64 (3.16+63~bpo70+1) ..." is just the 5kB metapackage
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21:38<twb><still confused>
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23:32<corey>hey guys got ? where can i get skype? cant find in repos
23:34<twb>!skype
23:34<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
23:35<corey>ok - need for job
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23:36<twb>Sorry, I can't help further.
23:38<corey>aint the comand for the conmand line to get stuff sudo apt-get install? i cant get it to instal?
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23:39<twb>corey: did you see the line from dpkg? That was for you
23:40<corey>???
23:40<twb>The <foo> bits mean you can type "/msg dpkg foo" to read about them
23:40<twb>corey: 15:34 <dpkg> Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
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23:49<sunwind>hi
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