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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-01-31

---Logopened Sat Jan 31 00:00:51 2015
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00:21<OzzieMx>Hi.
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00:23<OzzieMx>Can I backport libc6 building from source. Sid to Wheezy?
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00:27<TheStuntman>I'm being a little daft tonight, I need to create this user with exactly this in mind mc4:x:2004:2004:Multicraft Server 4:/home/minecraft/servers/server4:/bin/false
00:28<TheStuntman>I doubt I can just copy that into the passwd file in /etc/passwd
00:28<TheStuntman>unless I'm mistaken
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00:57<dabido>hi
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02:10<sakax>how can i connect to a wireless router via wps?
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02:28<genesis>hello
02:28<genesis>any one has any idea abt truecaller?
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02:29<Guest3846>hi
02:29<Guest3846>any one on?
02:30<Guest3846>need help with truecaller
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02:40<AndroUser> _____
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03:01<sakax>any idea how can i connect to a wireless router via wps with debian wheezy?
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06:28<lollo>hello
06:29<lollo>I just installed debian wheezy on my computer and I have nvidia graphic card
06:29<lollo>at startup I wasn't able to start gnome3 in normal mode
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06:30<lollo>so I installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from repos
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06:31<lollo>during the installation I saw some warnings about editing xorg.conf
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06:31<lollo>then I just rebooted, and now Xorg is not starting anymore
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06:31<lollo>I just see a black screen and I have to switch to a console
06:32<lollo>I can't find xorg.conf file in /etc/X11
06:33<Maulkin>!xorg.conf
06:33<dpkg>From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>.
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06:33<Maulkin>lollo: /msg dpkg xorg manual config
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06:34<lollo>and if I run Xorg -configure it says "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices"
06:34<Maulkin>lollo: though you shouldnt' need to. Can you paste your ~/.xsession-errors to paste.debian.net?
06:34<lollo>Malukin, it's difficout since I'm not running Xorg right now :D
06:34<lollo>I'll try to hand-write the most significative parts
06:35<Maulkin>lollo: Which exact graphics card have you got?
06:35<lollo>I don't know actually
06:36<lollo>there's a command that displays it, or should I check the computer manual?
06:36<Maulkin>lollo: Ok: lspci -nn | grep VGA
06:37<Maulkin>lollo: Basically, the https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers should be helpful for you
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06:37<lollo>GeForce GT 640
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06:39<lollo>Maulkin I don't want proprietary driver, I want the open source ones
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06:44<Maulkin>lollo: Anything from: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:44<Maulkin>?
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06:46<lollo>(EE) open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory
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06:48<Maulkin>lollo: Sorry, running out of battery here. Hopefully someone else can pick this up. Otherwise, probably best to mail debian-user@lists.debian.org
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06:48<Maulkin>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740254 and https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1386244 may contain some clues for you
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06:51<lollo>also says Screen(s) found, but none have usable configuration
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06:54<SynrGy>hm, gotta catch up with scrollback
06:55<SynrGy>does nouveau in wheezy support 3d accel on that card? i don't know.
06:56<SynrGy>you'll need it if you want to use gnome-shell
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06:57<SynrGy>the bug Maulkin cited is for a later kernel
06:57<SynrGy>,kernels
06:57<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
06:57<SynrGy>wheezy-backports now has a more recent kernel than the one mentioned in the bug, too
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06:59<SynrGy>,v libgl1-mesa-dri
06:59<judd>Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1; sid: 10.4.2-2
06:59<SynrGy>hm. no backport of that.
06:59<SynrGy>lollo: it's possible your card is too new for the version of the kernel in wheezy, and that a backports kernel might help.
07:00<lollo>SynrGy I don't know
07:00<SynrGy>!tell lollo about bpo kernel
07:00<SynrGy>!tell lollo about wheezy-backports
07:00<lollo>anyway I'm not interested in 3D
07:00<SynrGy>it doesn't matter. gnome-shell won't work without it. and in any case, the black screen may be due to nouveau in the kernel being too old for your newer card.
07:01<SynrGy>even if your xorg worked, gnome will degrade back into crappy fallback mode which is nearly unusable in wheezy
07:01<SynrGy>(imho)
07:01<lollo>so which package should I install from backports?
07:02<SynrGy>see the messages dpkg bot sent you
07:02<SynrGy>you need to edit your sources.list to enable backports, then install the kernel from that as per the factoid
07:03<SynrGy>lollo: also, you shouldn't need Xorg -configure
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07:03<lollo>ok I'm gonna do it right now
07:03<SynrGy>you should just try it without any xorg.conf
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07:04<SynrGy>lollo: there is a chance, however, that the older xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in wheezy plus the newer backports kernel won't do it for you
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07:05<SynrGy>in which case the non-free driver is the only option in wheezy. there is a backport for that
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07:05<SynrGy>if that's absolutely not an option for you, then your card is probably supported under jessie
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07:09<lollo>so I should install the backported kernel with aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed
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07:09<lollo> | 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
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07:11<lollo>can I just run aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 ?
07:12<SynrGy>no, because that installs the old one
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07:12<SynrGy>all the uname expression does is gets the flavour
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07:13<SynrGy>if you know you're on amd64, just:
07:13<SynrGy>aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64
07:13<SynrGy>that's assuming you updated your sources.list and did aptitude update already
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07:14<lollo>of course man :)
07:15<lollo>installing right now
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07:15<SynrGy>lollo: while jessie is not released yet, it's a good time to test if you want to go that route.
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07:15<SynrGy>that is, if we can't make it work in stable
07:16<SynrGy>!testing
07:16<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
07:16<lollo>SynrGy I'm afraid I didn't get the sense of this message
07:16<lollo>is jessie going to become stable soon?
07:16<SynrGy>lollo: we are close to being ready to release the next Debian release, verison 8.0, codenamed 'jessie'
07:16<SynrGy>yes, for some value of 'soon'
07:17<SynrGy>months
07:17<SynrGy>!wwjr
07:17<dpkg>I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>.
07:17<SynrGy>!jessie pool 1
07:17<dpkg>! jellÿ=2016-01-01 gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babīlen=2015-05-23 themíll=2015-06-23 abrötman=2015-07-23
07:17<SynrGy>note. these are *guesses* only. they don't reflect reality ;)
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07:22<lollo>oh yeah
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07:22<lollo>xorg starts :D
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07:23<lollo>thank you so much man
07:23<lollo>so when jessie becomes stable I can just disable backports and use all stable repos?
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07:46<mitt>Hi, while installing from repos, thewidgetfactory wasn't installed in /usr/bin. Compiling from source has the output: checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found, I digged through forums, they are old as heck, any thoughts?
07:47<mitt>sure, that the first gtk is outdated huh
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08:02<valdyn>mitt: gtk 1.x is not in debian
08:02<valdyn>mitt: even gtk 2.x is almost obsolete
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08:10<mitt>valdyn, I know but what to do with widget factory?
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08:20<fleebow8>Hi, I need some help..
08:20*fleebow8 slaps debhelper around a bit with a large fishbot
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08:22<mitt>what did fleebow8 do?
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09:12<ddvip>you ?
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09:57<SSJGokuuu>Hi, my server got compromised, i installed nethogs, there are thousands of records like 192.168....115.231.234.146:80 which is some chinese ip.. , problem is there is "?" at PID , so i cant identifi which process is doing this, could anybody help ?
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10:01<eon>Hello everybody. I was looking for a simple and complete tutorial about using bind9. I have a domain name that I would point to a Debian LAMP VPS. Any one can help ?
10:03<abrotman>eon: read the contents of bind-doc package
10:03<abrotman>https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00845/0/BIND-9.9-Administrator-Reference-Manual-ARM.html
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10:10<petn-randall>SSJGokuuu: Pull the power plug, boot from trusted media, recover any data you need and reinstall.
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10:16<jeffrin>hello all
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10:20<ulises>ehola
10:20<ulises>hola
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10:21<ulises>hola
10:21<jeffrin>is there a package in debian for "processing"
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10:22<abrotman>processing what?
10:23<jeffrin>i mean related to processing.org
10:24<abrotman>jeffrin: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433270
10:26<jhutchins_wk>SSJGokuuu: It's important to disconnect the network as soon as possible.
10:26<jhutchins_wk>SSJGokuuu: As for petn-randall's advice, it's sound, there is NOTHING on that system that you can trust.
10:27<jhutchins_wk>SSJGokuuu: If you have a pre-hack backup, that's even safer to restore data from, but you know the configuration is vulnerable so a careful new build is a good idea.
10:27<SSJGokuuu>i have it disconected, but i would like to back up some files with sftp, but that cant be done since this network spam throws down router when connected
10:27<jhutchins_wk>SSJGokuuu: Right, you'll need to back up to USB or something.
10:28<abrotman>SSJGokuuu: do you have an independent network switch that you can just hook two systems to? Or an external disk of some sort?
10:28<jhutchins_wk>SSJGokuuu: Also, don't boot from the installed OS, boot from a live image.
10:28<SSJGokuuu>triing now but no caching page mode found when usb in X_x
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10:29<SSJGokuuu>i wonder how they got in, i guess they just broke password.. was online just first month .
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10:30<blast007>SSJGokuuu: have you done what was suggested and booted the system from a clean Live CD/DVD/USB environment?
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10:31<SSJGokuuu>will have to download some first, i guess knoppix
10:32<jeffrin>abrotman : thanks for that
10:32<blast007>or Debian Live :)
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10:32<blast007>https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
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10:33<blast007>SSJGokuuu: which version of Debian were you running, and what network services did you have publicly accessible?
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10:35<SSJGokuuu>wheezy, minecraft server nothing more.
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10:44<Argure>using gnome with NetworkManager
10:44<somiaj>SSJGokuuu: installing something like fail2ban is useful if you have an open ssh connenction. This will block people from your server after they enter in incorrect login info 5 times in a row (or something like that, which can be configured)
10:44<Argure>what would be a good method to use specific nameservers regardless of current connection
10:44<somiaj>SSJGokuuu: this way it is harder to brute force their way in (though be careful sometimes you ban yourself from being able to ssh in too)
10:44<Argure>I was thinking about just dumping it in resolv.conf but iirc NetworkManager will overwrite that
10:45<somiaj>Argure: afiak you should be able to configure network manager to do that. If not use some package like resolvconf to manage your resolv.conf file to use specific nameservers.
10:45<somiaj>network manager should play nicely with resolvconf
10:46<mtn>Argure: put your dns in the ipv4 section in networkmanager
10:46<Argure>mtn: I did that, but that is on a per-connection basis which changes multiple times a day - this is a laptop
10:46<Argure>somiaj: thanks, I'll look into that :)
10:46<mtn>Argure: it is not that way on my machines
10:47<somiaj>again I think network manager has a global or default setting and you should be able to do it via network manager
10:47<somiaj>sounds like it can, I just don't use it so I'm unsure.
10:47<somiaj>Argure: my guess is there is a per connenction configuration and a global configuration.
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10:57<Argure>somiaj: got it with resolvconf head :)
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11:10<somiaj>Argure: seems like the hacky way to do it, but it will work (:
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11:10<somiaj>Argure: again this is something that should be configurable in network-manager (resolvconf is a nice tool and I use it, but really is for if you have a few differnt tools controling interfaces)
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11:27<anonymousV3enix>hey
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13:34<getgrs_>Hello. Please can i mount all my disques from a VB ?
13:35<getgrs_>VM
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13:35<towo`>depends on the format
13:36<getgrs_>the hypervisor ?
13:36<towo`>do
13:36<towo`>grr
13:36<towo`>no, the format od the virtual discs
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13:43<getgrs_>what command (for the disqu only, the rest, I saw on internet).
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13:52<Celelibi>Is debian stable really more secure than sid?
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13:55<abrotman>Celelibi: why would oyu think otherwise?
13:56<Celelibi>old packages with old bugs laying around.
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13:56<abrotman>Celelibi: but that backport patches
13:56<abrotman>but they
13:57<paxmark9>Sid is merely more secure than testing Debian is very big on having a secure stable.
13:57<jhutchins_wk>Celelibi: Security patches to stable get priority.
13:57<jhutchins_wk>Celelibi: Sid can be less secure because new bugs are exposed and security fixes wait until they are incorporated with other updates.
13:57<abrotman>dpkg: tell Celelibi about tracker of doom
13:58<Celelibi>Actually, I just read this: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/01/27/9
13:58<abrotman>Celelibi: Also note, new uploads for packages in Sid are at the maintainer's leisure ..
13:58<jhutchins_wk>Celelibi: (Although the sid packages are usually patched too.)
13:58<Celelibi>The bug has been fixed in 2013.
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13:58<abrotman>Celelibi: Yes, but no one realized it was a security issue until recently
13:58<abrotman>hence, the fix wasn't backported
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13:59<Celelibi>That's exactlt what I'm saying.
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13:59<Celelibi>And it's not because it has not been publicly known as a security issue that is hasn't been exploited.
14:00<abrotman>Celelibi: That doesn't make testing/unstable more secure .. it's just that upstream patched it .. but they didn't understand it was a security issue then either
14:00<Celelibi>Yes but the patch gets backported to stable only if it is a security issue.
14:00<abrotman>Celelibi: In general, if you need security in a timely fashion, you use Stable
14:01<abrotman>Celelibi: not "only", but generally, yes
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14:02<Celelibi>So this bug was fixed i 2013 in sid and testing, but has been laying around in stable for more than one year.
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14:02<abrotman>Yes, and your point is what?
14:02<Celelibi>Exactly this.
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14:03<abrotman>I just explained why it wasn't patched ..
14:03<Celelibi>I know why. But that doesn't make it more fixed for the time being.
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14:04<abrotman>Celelibi: https://community.qualys.com/blogs/laws-of-vulnerabilities/2015/01/27/the-ghost-vulnerability
14:04<abrotman>(it's already fixed in Stable also)
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14:06<Celelibi>Let's see. When a security issue is known, it gets fixed quickly everywhere. In stable and sid. When it is not recognized as a security issue, it may get fixed in sid but not in stable.
14:06<valdyn>Celelibi: this discussion is pretty pointless, using sid is not an option for the "customers" of stable. Even if sid was more secure.
14:06<Celelibi>Therefore, sid is strictly more secure than stable.
14:06<abrotman>no
14:06<Marillion>Celelibi: you are trolling
14:07<abrotman>It wasn't fixed in Unstable intentionally as a security issue, it was just patched to fix a bug in the code. No one recognized it as a security problem
14:07<abrotman>Lots of bugs are fixed in Unstable, lots of other bugs are introduced
14:07<Celelibi>abrotman: that's exactly what I said.
14:08<abrotman>Celelibi: No, you did'nt
14:08<abrotman>you keep claiming Unstable is more secure because a bug was fixed .. a bug not recognized as a security issue when it was fixed. It wasn't fixed to resolve a known security problem.
14:09<abrotman>you also can't rely on the maintainer to upload new packages in a timely fashion that may fix a security issue
14:09<Celelibi>Looks like I'm discussing with people too emotional about their baby.
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14:10<abrotman>Better than the person we're discussing with ..
14:10<kwork>Celelibi: from other perspective sid has more bugs then stable
14:10<Celelibi>Yes, probably.
14:11<kwork>so i wouldnt say sid is more secure
14:11<abrotman>It's not
14:11<Celelibi>But since bugs are new, you can hope they won't get exploited before they get patched.
14:12<Celelibi>On the opposite, when bugs (especially security bugs) are discovered in stable, they've been there for quite a while.
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14:13<abrotman>But once discovered, they're patched in a timely fashion (depending on severity I suppose)
14:13<abrotman>Regardless, Unstable is not suitable for production, for many reasons
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14:14<Celelibi>I won't disagree with that.
14:14<abrotman>Problem solved, back to real work
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14:17<Celelibi>I'm still not convinced that stable is more secure. Does the doom tracker include the date at which the fixed package has been uploaded and the date at which the security issue has been introduced?
14:17<Celelibi>I'd like to make some statistics.
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14:18<abrotman>You can look it up in the PTS
14:18<abrotman>or read DSA history
14:18<Celelibi>Like, plotting the cumulated vulnerability time for both stable and sid.
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14:19<Marillion> Celelibi: and more code is NOT the result to more secure, never - look redhat or other enterprise companies
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14:20<Celelibi>Marillion: what? I don't understand what you said.
14:21<Marillion>try it
14:21<Celelibi>If it's more code = more bugs. I agree.
14:21<Celelibi>But I don't see your point.
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14:26<aaron83>hi there..anyone here?
14:26<aaron83>i have a half problem
14:27<Marillion>!anyone
14:27<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:29<Literature>Hey all. I'm looking to move over from openSUSE to Debian. I was wondering if I would be better off downloading the KDE installation image of Debian or selecting KDE from the Debian install image?
14:29<aaron83>ok i need to startx X from chrooted enviroment
14:30<aaron83>i use multiples way like xnest and zephir but only a few aplications runs correctly
14:30<aaron83>gdm3 does not doit
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14:32<aaron83>i change tty loading into diferent tty in /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf for chrooted but fails idems
14:32<abrotman>Literature: generally, we tell people to use the netinst and get your packages via http
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14:34<Literature>I'm just worried, abrotman, that the process of selecting packages and saying 'yeh' or 'neh' will be a bit over my head.
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14:34<Literature>I don't know off-hand what packages I'll need or want for a KDE desktop.
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14:35<abrotman>Literature: aptitude install kde-standard xorg kdm
14:36<ashur>Usually when you select a desktop environment, like KDE, you're selecting a meta-package which will install commonly used programs for that environment
14:37<Literature>Ah. I'll give it a go. I'll just backup my Windows partition and see what happens.
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14:39<abrotman>why bother? :)
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14:40<Literature>Because video card support for my Radeon 6950 has been absolutely atrocious on every distribution I've ever tried?
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14:41<catern>anyone happen to know how to configure name resolution for the .local domains that Avahi sees/generates? on other distros I just install avahi and then can ping .local domains
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14:46<abrotman>catern: you mjight have to setup /etc/nsswitch.conf also
14:46<abrotman>Literature: I meant why backup
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14:51<catern>abrotman: I have mdns-minimal in my /etc/nsswitch.conf
14:52<catern>hmm... I have mdns-minimal in my /etc/nsswitch, and avahi-browse -alr shows the .local domains I'm interested in
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14:52<catern>so what is Debian doing to muck it up? :p
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14:54<orbot>there is a problem with an external drive. it won't mount correctly. no idea what should be done
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14:55<catern>indeed, avahi-resolve-host-name works fine
14:55<devil_>orbot: what fs?
14:55<orbot>hang on a second
14:56<orbot>http://paste.debian.net/143237/
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14:57<devil_>that is ntfs. is ntfs-3g installed?
14:57<orbot>i believe so
14:57<orbot>is there a way i can check from the terminal?
14:57<devil_>believing means nothing
14:57<devil_>dpkg -l | grep ntfs-3g
14:57<dpkg>ii | grep ntfs-3g 3.6-2 devil_'s private stamp collection
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14:59<orbot>http://paste.debian.net/143241/
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15:00<devil_>orbot: so how do you try to mount it?
15:00<orbot>in the past i just connected the usb cable
15:00<orbot>did an autoconnect
15:01<orbot>tried copying some files
15:01<orbot>then it gave this error
15:01<devil_>orbot: did you look at https://wiki.debian.org/NTFS ?
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15:02<devil_>and what is the error?
15:03<orbot>i don't know what to enter into the terminal to give you an accurate answer
15:03<devil_>you need to copy the error and paste it
15:03<orbot>ok
15:04<orbot>what do i enter to display the error
15:04<devil_>you told me there was one, so only you know :)
15:05<orbot>yeah but I mean the error is displayed for a short second on the desktop
15:05<orbot>is there something i can enter into the terminal so that I can paste it?
15:05<devil_>on the desktop?
15:05<orbot>I'm using kde
15:05<devil_>where exactly does the error show?
15:05<orbot>the error shows up for a second then goes away
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15:06<orbot>maybe give me a terminal command then i can give you a better answer
15:06<devil_>orbot: how would I know what triggered your error?
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15:07<devil_>please read and follow the wiki I linked
15:07<orbot>ok please wait a few minutes
15:07<devil_>well, I will be away for dinner
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15:08<orbot>http://askubuntu.com/questions/183970/mount-exited-with-exit-code-13
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15:09<Ippolo>hi
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15:09<Ippolo>what's the best way to get a grsecurity kernel on debian?
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15:10<Ippolo>I see that the official grsec patch in the repo is not compatible with the official kernels...
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15:16<Ippolo>obviously I'd prefer not to build the kernel from source :)
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15:17<orbot>what terminal command should i use to make updates?
15:18<sney>!refcard
15:18<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
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15:18<devil_>orbot: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
15:19<rfreeman>Ippolo: http://deb.mempo.org - I maintain it
15:19<orbot>devil_, i used this to fix the error: ntfsfix /dev/partitionName
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15:20<devil_>orbot: good it worked
15:20<orbot>yeah i was worried for a bit
15:20<rfreeman>Ippolo: we are on #mempo ; Mempo is technically a 3rd party (FOSS and verifiable - deterministic build) add on to Debian (debian 7 amd64 for now) that provides things like grsecurity kernel
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15:21<rfreeman>Ippolo: other then that, you could build own kernel and/or find corsac patch, but you will probably find it far less convenient, that's why we created our packaging for kernel in deb.mempo.org
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15:22<Ippolo>thanks man
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15:26<Ippolo>rfreeman so I just have to download the i.tar file, execute the i.sh script and this will add your repository to my sources.list and install the grsec kernel?
15:27<Ippolo>will this repo work for debian jessie by the time it's getting released as stable?
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15:34<Ippolo>rfreeman, will this repo work for debian jessie by the time it's getting released as stable?
15:35<sney>kernels are pretty low impact
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15:44<rfreeman>Ippolo: yeap it will install the kernel. When is debian jessie released as stable more or less? I think in next month we could work on that
15:45<rfreeman>sney: default linux kernel is quite insecure, has a get-root exploit yearly or so
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15:58<sney>rfreeman: that has 0 to do with my statement
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16:07<valdyn>geez
16:07<valdyn>qc resistant cryptography
16:07<valdyn>why did I even read that
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16:24<rfreeman>sney: I though you mean that kernel bugs have low impact on security? Last one, with threads, allowed applet isolated even in sandbox, of user's application like firefox or chrome, to gain root
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16:25<sney>rfreeman: and what I did mean was that kernel packages are pretty self-contained and have few dependencies. so even though he would lose support in #debian by using a 3rd party kernel, it would probably keep working as long as it's compatible with current udev
16:25<rfreeman>*futex
16:25<rfreeman>sney: ah right
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18:19<wompa>How to remove a file's contents without removing the file itself? Directing null-device to the file works, but I'm not sure that's a good, neutral or bad method.
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18:19<abrotman>depends what the file is
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18:22<wompa>mp4, text files and rar files
18:24<ixi>you could either 'cat /dev/null > myfile' or '> myfile' or man truncate
18:25<rudi_s>ixi: Obviously not cat, useless cat ;-) - : >/dev/null is the simplesy way I guess.
18:25<rudi_s>wompa: ^
18:25<rudi_s>I'm tired ... : >file of course, not /dev/null
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18:27<wompa>ok
18:28<wompa>Is there a difference between > somefile and : > somefile ?
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18:28<rudi_s>wompa: This solution is problematic if the link is a symlink though, as it then clobbers the target.
18:29<rudi_s>I'm not sure if > foo works in all shells, : >foo will because : is a valid command (true).
18:29<wompa>ok, thanks
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18:31<rudi_s>np
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18:51<pheniox>hey guys
18:51<pheniox>anyone here ?
18:52<abrotman>lots of people
18:52<pheniox>i need help
18:53<pheniox>with my xchat im using xubuntu 14 and trying to get into a chatroom on irc but i desconnect me real quick any help? thanks!
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18:54<abrotman>pheniox: this is #debian, you want #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net
18:54<pheniox>okey man
18:54<pheniox>thanks
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19:12<firemanfred>I have an optimus laptop and have installed the nvidia proprietary driver and setup bumblebee. However when I try to use optirun it says "Cannot access secondary GPU - error" Could not load GPU Driver"
19:12<firemanfred>Aborting because fallback start is disabled
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19:37<login_>oi
19:37<login_>?
19:37<musca>firemanfred: did you read the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee ?
19:37<musca>hi login_
19:37<firemanfred>Yea I have, set the correct BusID and was already set to nvidia-current
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19:40<login_>?
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19:41<musca>login_: you reached the debian linux support channel
19:41<musca>!ask
19:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:41<login_>do you speack portuguese?
19:41<squirrel`>no
19:41<squirrel`>como esta?
19:42<squirrel`>haxball.
19:42<login_>i have problem
19:42<login_>with kde
19:42<login_>you can help me?
19:43<squirrel`>maybe
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19:43<squirrel`>i use gnomage
19:43<squirrel`>but i always preferred kde before
19:44<squirrel`>my knowledge is limited but ask. im sure someone will glance and answer if i cannot
19:46<login_>lets talk
19:46<login_>in private
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19:48<firemanf1ed>Got to reboot.
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19:54<squirrel`>im having a problem accessing my ntfs drive
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19:54<squirrel`>i can access my main drive but my storage ntfs it wont allow me unless i have root
19:55<squirrel`>it wont even prompt me for a password yet i have almost the same SU perms
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19:58<firemanfred>squirrel: can you put it in your fstab so it mounts on boot?
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20:06<squirrel`>it should mount when clicked
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20:06<squirrel`>thats the weird thing
20:07<squirrel`>i just want access to my mp3's
20:07<squirrel`>til i figure out my stupid windows problem without nuking that
20:07<squirrel`>i really really dont want to reinstall
20:07<squirrel`>electronic arts had me install something and it screwed up my windows boot
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20:08<squirrel`>so i cant even get into windows
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20:18<AndroUser>if u have one windows boot media u can boot from it than into fix-mode run cmd and input :bootrec /fixmbr,bootrec /fixboot.then it will works,but reinstall grub was required.
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22:49<javier>hi.. im having this issue on debian testing and ext3 fs: when using tor and midori, disk space lowers drastically in seconds, and i have to delete stuff to regain space.
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22:49<javier>it eats 1gb like in a minute or so... what can be wrong? any way to regain lost space?
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22:51<javier>doesn't happen when using midori without tor so it must be tor fault?
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23:34<[UP]Crystal>Hi folks! How can I set my network adapters to 1 gbit mode ? It connects in 100mbit mode for some reason after I installed few new network adapters into my router
23:37<[UP]Crystal>Here is the output from ethtool for example http://paste.debian.net/143288/
23:38<ixi>your link partner is advertising only 100mbit
23:38<[UP]Crystal>nope
23:39<[UP]Crystal>I'm pretty sure that it supports 1gbit. It worked before I converted my home server into router role
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23:39<ixi>run ethtool on remote
23:39<ixi>post results
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23:40<[UP]Crystal>How can I run ethtool on regular router ? It's a netgear WNR3500L
23:41<[UP]Crystal>And it provide 1 Gbit to all my other devices, but not for this server
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23:43<ixi>might have messed something up when "installed few new network adapters"
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23:44<[UP]Crystal>hm... I tried to connect via the old adapter, it's a builtin realtek and same result... Maybe should try to remove new installed PCI adapters ?
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