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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-02-06

---Logopened Fri Feb 06 00:00:00 2015
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01:33<RdrOfTheSt0rm>why does apt not use https by default?
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01:36<SamB_laptop>what is this "default" of which you speak?
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01:41<agus>hola
01:41<RdrOfTheSt0rm>well i just had to set it up install apt-transport-https and alter sources.list this should be done at install right?
01:41<Hack4Kix>because even with a stream cipher with a null digest every transaction will still require the the pem cert exchange and with millions of transactions it will still waste valuable bandwidth for no real monetary gain .. just my two cents .. besides 128bit ssl has been cracked ages ago
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01:43<RdrOfTheSt0rm>Hack4Kix: So theres no point?
01:43<agus>hola
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01:44<octal>hello agus
01:45<Hack4Kix>depends on how someone looks at it i guess.. i dont see a real advantage .. perhaps sftp by default would be a better way ..
01:45<guitarr>spanish
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01:47<RdrOfTheSt0rm>hmm it appers to not even work for me, nevermind
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01:48<guitarr>please speak in spanish
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01:50<RdrOfTheSt0rm>guitarr: #debian-es
01:51<Hack4Kix>:)
01:51<guitarr>ajam
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01:51<Hack4Kix>el debian-es muiy bueno
01:52<guitarr>si
01:52<Hack4Kix>google translate still has a ways to go ..
01:52<Hack4Kix>lol
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01:59<Hack4Kix>i asked google how to say puppy linux in spanish .. it said chihuahua OS :)
01:59<fkt>haha
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03:07<Sinitarra>abba
03:07<Sinitarra>abb dabba sup every7ojne
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03:07<kone011_>moi
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03:07<Sinitarra>ffx on hyvä peli
03:07<kone011_>ei oo
03:07<kone011>heipähei
03:07<kone011_>gta v on hyvä peli
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03:08<kone011_>lol
03:08<Sinitarra>o-ou now i peed my pants
03:08<kone011>i need help
03:08<Sinitarra>now comes the poop
03:08<Sinitarra>now i feel ill
03:08<kone011>my computer is hacked
03:08<Sinitarra>my pants are wet
03:08<kone011_>i need help my computer is crashed
03:09<kone011_>mioooooooooooo
03:09<kone011_>moi
03:09<Sinitarra>im so cool i have a blog!
03:09<kone011_>"
03:09<kone011_>#
03:09<Sinitarra>the name of it is
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03:09<kone011_>#belfie
03:09<kone011_>:-D
03:09<Sinitarra>gamingingaming.blogspot.com
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03:10<kone011>help my computer is hacked
03:10<kone011_>help me
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03:10<Sinitarra>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
03:10<Sinitarra>are you coming to kill me?
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03:10<kurkkupoikaFi>jee
03:10<Sinitarra>are you coming to kill me?
03:11<kone011>i need help
03:11<kurkkupoikaFi>http://gamingingaming.blogspot.fi/
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03:11<kone011>i goming out
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03:12<Sinitarra>pam pam pam (YOU ARE DEAD)
03:12<kurkkupoikaFi>noh noh
03:12<kurkkupoikaFi>no
03:12<kurkkupoikaFi>no
03:12<kurkkupoikaFi>no
03:12<kurkkupoikaFi>no
03:12<kurkkupoikaFi>no
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04:10<das>Hello. My server running (up-to-date) wheezy sometimes (about 1 in 5 times) fails to reboot, with no messages in syslog, what should I check?
04:11<das>I'm doing reboot from ssh, when the problem occurs ssh hangs instead of exiting, server tries to reboot and power shuts down after 3-5 mins
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04:12<das>last line in syslog seems correct: 10519 Feb 6 11:55:21 server shutdown[4085]: shutting down for system reboot
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04:12<mgv>if I do sudo command, how can I distinguish between the command being killed by a signal and the command returning nonzero?
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04:19<aborrero>mgv: I guess 'command' should implement signals handlers and return different codes depending on the exit reason
04:19<mgv>I don't control the command
04:20<mgv>but, I could write a script and run sudo myscript command
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04:34<petn-randall>das: You need remote hands to debug that. Could just as well be a buggy firmware, raid controller, hardware, etc.
04:34<petn-randall>das: Especially if it doesn't happen 100% of the time it sounds like an HW/firmware issue.
04:35<das>petn-randall: any advice on solving the bug?
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04:36<das>I didn't get the remote hands part
04:36<petn-randall>das: Yes, someone has to observe the full startup process of the machine. Either via a KVM switch, or someone physically sitting in front of it ("remote hands").
04:36<das>petn-randall: it's in my room for now
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04:37<conna>heya, is it normal that recent kernels from wheezy-backports (say 3.16) don't support SO_REUSEPORT or am i doing something wrong? i tried to compile tengine (nginx fork) with support of that kernel module, but it never finds it, no matter if i use the kernel from backports, testing or compile my own one. i have a small python script and that doesn't find that kernel feature either even when running a 3.9+ one. input appreciated :)
04:37<das>i'll plug a kb/screen and observe
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04:54<das>petn-randall: I added reboot=bios to the cmdline, seems like it works now
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04:56<petn-randall>das: What does that do?
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05:01<das>petn-randall: no idea, found the tip on SO
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05:05<anonymous>dd
05:05<anonymous>gfh
05:05<anonymous>kl;
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05:07<petn-randall>das: The docs say it only works for i386 architecture, are you running that?
05:08<petn-randall>Hi anonymous, do you need help with Debian?
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05:11<deisi>hi
05:12<deisi>majooooos
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05:14<das>petn-randall: nah, amd64, after tests it didn't solve the bug, I'll get back to fiddling with it
05:14<conna>I posted this now for more details, help would be appreciated: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=120298
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05:40<petn-randall>das: What exactly happens then if it hangs?
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05:45<das>petn-randall: I can tell immediately if it hanged, because ssh doesn't return 'broken pipe'. Server doesn't respond for 30 secs up to minutes, then power shuts down completely
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05:59<petn-randall>das: I mean on the screen?
05:59<petn-randall>das: Does the system even boot up before it hangs?
06:00<das>petn-randall: haven't succeeded in rebooting it with screen attached yet, makes the procdure much longer
06:00<das>so I can't tell for sure if it hangs at boot or at reboot
06:01<petn-randall>das: it's a good idea to do that, you'll never get to the source of the problem otherwise.
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06:02<ubuntu_>I was compiling kernel source by using " sudo fakeroot debian/rules clean " but I was getting this " /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 178: debian/rules: No such file or directory " error
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07:01<das>petn-randall: for some reason I can't reproduce the bug anymore, despite coming back to my older setup, I'll wait a bit and resume work
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07:38<fanto666>hello. can I use apt-pinning with squeeze-lts? I have mixed wheezy/squeeze because of php 5.3 and want prefer LTS packages over those in squeeze
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07:53<petn-randall>fanto666: Pinning is supported in squeeze, but a Frankendebian of mixed releases is not supported by us.
07:53<petn-randall>!frankendebian
07:53<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
07:53<petn-randall>fanto666: I recommend fully upgrading to wheezy.
07:54<fanto666>petn-randall: I need php5.3 that's in squeeze (and squeeze-lts)
07:54<petn-randall>fanto666: Why? It doesn't get any security support anymore.
07:54<fanto666>because of a sucking app not working with php 5.4
07:54<fanto666>however the pinning recommendation found on the net installed from seuqqze, not squeeze-lts
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07:56<petn-randall>fanto666: 'man apt_preferences' will explain the syntax. If you have any questions that aren't covered there, feel free to ask.
07:56<fanto666>petn-randall: i didn't get it working
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07:57<petn-randall>!doesn't work
07:57<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
07:57<fanto666>petn-randall: I hope apt-cache policy should always tell the current preferences, correct?
07:57<petn-randall>fanto666: Yes, it does.
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07:57<fanto666>deb http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
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07:58<fanto666>what should I use to prefer this? a=squeeze-lts, n=squeeze-lts or something different?
07:59<petn-randall>fanto666: the man page says n=squeeze-lts.
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08:00<fanto666>Pin: release n=squeeze-lts
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08:07<fanto666>petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/144265/ could you please look at it?
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08:10<fanto666>what's debian-lts in this case? archive, squite, codename?
08:11<fanto666>deb http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
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08:21<petn-randall>fanto666: No idea why it doesn't work, sorry.
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08:37<fanto666>hmmm. looks like I got it
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08:38<fanto666>although I've had to mark them for installation manually
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08:47<fanto666>petn-randall: thanks for help
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09:16<Oebele>hi all. I have an ip2700 printer connected to my PC, but can't print from it. lsusb detects it,but it is not in the printers list. I can't install the official drivers, because of missing dependencies, but it should be supported by the gutenprint drivers. I have no clue how to add the printer to the list of printers though, can somebody help me with this?
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09:31<Oebele> I got it to work :D
09:31<Oebele>finally, after years, printing on linux again :)
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09:36<bob32>hi guys
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10:15<dreamy_>hi delparnel whats up
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11:14<mili>who
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11:31<lello>hello
11:32<lello>am I wrong or in debian jessie the virtualbox package is in contrib and no more in main?
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11:33<lello>why the hell is that?
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11:34<valdyn>judd: versions virtualbox
11:34<judd>Package: virtualbox on i386 -- wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; sid/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2; experimental/contrib: 4.3.20-dfsg-1
11:35<lello>does that mean that it's in contrib?
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11:36<lello>so what should I do if I want to run a virtual machine without running proprietary stuff?
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11:38<lello>ok I see on debian wiki that vbox has moved to contrib since 4.2 because it requires a non-free compiler
11:39<lello>now my question is: how can I run a virtual machine not using proprietary stuff on my sistem?
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11:41<ixi>lello kvm/xen
11:42<ixi>lxc for containers
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11:43<ixi>lello also it's pretty questionable that vbox is non-free, since oracle provides alternative source code for those pieces that require non-free compiler
11:43<ixi>and that code is just plain assembly iirc
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11:47<lello>so why has it moved to contrib?
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11:51<ixi>no one bothered to package the alternative pieces of code I guess
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11:51<oldlaptop>lello: you may find xen worthwhile, depending on what you're doing
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12:00<faisal>hey every one :)
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12:20*SamB_laptop wonders why the Release file(s) for security.debian.org are valid for 10 days
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12:25<maxy>The Release file gets regenerated once a week.
12:25<SamB_laptop>hmm, what are the component/arch-specific Release files for? it doesn't look as though apt actually uses them?
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12:28<SamB_laptop>maxy: nobody is worried about a MITM delaying security updates by almost 10 days?
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12:32<maxy>SamB_laptop: Mmh, I dont remember, sorry, it's been a long day for me, but most of the answers you are looking for are in the dak source code.
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12:33<SamB_laptop>maxy: does security use the same branch as ftp-masters?
12:34<maxy>no
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12:38<maxy>Well, yes is the same branch, just a different set of settings. like forcing the regeneration of the release file even if it had no changes.
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12:50<SamB_laptop>maxy: hmm, shouldn't ftp-master do that periodically anyway?
12:51<SamB_laptop>just in case the entire developer body gets the flu or something
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12:56<saleem>hi, im trying to shrink my / partition with ext4 file from 30 gb to 20 gb with gparted from a linux livecd but i get error that new size is smaller than minimum , can someone tell me how to shrink this partition to 20 gb without getting this error? i looked on google but cant find a clue what is going wrong
12:57<mtn>saleem: how much data is in /?
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12:57<saleem>mtn : almost 8.5 GB
12:58<mtn>saleem: odd error then
12:59<saleem>yes this error has made me nuts , it has something to do with ext4 file i guess because im able to resize another / partition of same size to 20 gb very easily but it was formatted with etx3 file system
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13:10<saleem>mtn, this is the error im getting /home/saleem]# resize2fs /dev/sda6 20G
13:10<saleem>resize2fs 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
13:10<saleem>resize2fs: New size smaller than minimum (6719218)
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13:13<crunchbang_>hi
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13:14<crunchbang_>a
13:14<crunchbang_>sdf
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13:44<jetlife87>how do I copy and paste in irssi??
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13:44<Brigo>jetlife87, with the mouse
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15:02<ale16418>hola
15:02<Finetundra>where would i go to ask questions about setting up apache for file transfer and/or hosting
15:02<Finetundra>i'm shooting for something like ftp
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15:07<Finetundra> where would i go to ask questions about setting up apache for file transfer and/or hosting
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15:26<Darby_Crash>hi to all
15:27<Darby_Crash>i have a little problem with my ralink 3290 on Jessie
15:27<Darby_Crash>i've installed firmware-ralink
15:27<Darby_Crash>from non-free
15:27<lostatwork>Darby_Crash: #debian-next is for jessie issues
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15:28<Darby_Crash>speed connection is sloe
15:28<Darby_Crash>*slow
15:29<Darby_Crash>i wish only a little help for installing the right driver
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16:53<xreal>Can apt or aptitude download and pre-configure packages? Right now, I need to download DEBs to a local directory first, preconfigure using DPKG and install them... pretty hacky work-around.
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16:54<dondelelcaro>xreal: they'll do that if you're installing from a repository.
16:54<xreal>dondelelcaro: I want to *stop* after pre-configuration. I don't want to install it :)
16:55<xreal>download, preconfigure, <manual steps>, install, postconfigure
16:55<xreal>Of course, I could rewrite APT for this...
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16:55<dondelelcaro>xreal: what are you actually trying to do?
16:55<dondelelcaro>xreal: in general, you have to at least partially install a package to configure it
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16:56<xreal>dondelelcaro: let me type, please don't go away :)
16:56<capAwesome>hello
16:56<capAwesome>I'm running wheezy and I installed kvm from backports
16:56<capAwesome>I imported a virtual machine, but when I try to run it it says:
16:57<capAwesome>Error starting domain: internal error: hugetlbfs filesystem is not mounted or disabled by administrator config
16:57<xreal>dondelelcaro: Some packages have problem when entering values to debconfig, when the answers and choices haven't been preloaded. After hours of debugging, I've found it, running dpkg-preconfigure and loading the settings to debconfig *after* preconfiguration works as expected. I've already filed bugs in Debian's bugtracker, but they never got touched.
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16:58<capAwesome>what does it mean?
16:58<dondelelcaro>xreal: this vaguely sounds like you're trying to use debconf as a registry
16:58<xreal>dondelelcaro: hehe, yep :)
16:58<dondelelcaro>xreal: since what'll usually happen is if there are configuration files already existing, the value in the configuration file will override the stored variable in debconf
16:58<dondelelcaro>xreal: which is "not a bug"
16:59<dondelelcaro>xreal: but anyway, the way to get this behavior is to run a dpkg hook
17:00<dondelelcaro>xreal: or alternatively, use a real configuration system like ansible, chef, or puppet
17:00<xreal>dondelelcaro: About the first part: you're right. But since preloading values for unattended installations is _very_ usual, the packages, which depend on debconf should be capable of using this.
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17:00<xreal>dondelelcaro: ABout the second part: What's a dpkg hook? :D
17:00<dondelelcaro>xreal: they'll work just fine if the package hadn't been installed before
17:01<xreal>dondelelcaro: I tried it on a clean system and I really seem to have found a bug.
17:01<capAwesome>rebooting, wait for me :)
17:01<dondelelcaro>xreal: man dpkg; for details; you'll want a pre/post invoke command
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17:01<xreal>dondelelcaro: ah, that's what I'm doing of course.
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17:01<xreal>dondelelcaro: The problem is, I need "apt-get download <package>" to get the DEBs to a local directory first.
17:02<dondelelcaro>xreal: well, so once you have that, then you just tell apt-get/aptitude to run it with a -o Dpkg::options::=--blahblahblah
17:02<dondelelcaro>xreal: why do you need to do that?
17:02<xreal>dondelelcaro: dpkg-preconfigure wants DEBs.
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17:03<dondelelcaro>I'm not sure why you'd use dpkg-preconfigure if you're doing an automated install...
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17:04<capAwesome>hi
17:04<dondelelcaro>but the packages will be in /var/cache/apt/archives/, so it's not too hard to find them
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17:04<dondelelcaro>xreal: anyway, what's the bug number?
17:04<xreal>dondelelcaro: I'm actually not doing an automated install. I'm using it inside a chroot. Do you have some seconds to have a look at my bugreport? I've described anyting in there.
17:04<xreal>:)
17:05<capAwesome>same problem as before, I'm running wheezy-amd64, I installed kvm from backports and if I try to start a vm it says:
17:05<xreal>dondelelcaro: About /var/cache/apt/archives: I tried this one, but it's hard to figure out the install-recommends, which are needed by some packages.
17:05<capAwesome>Error starting domain: internal error: hugetlbfs filesystem is not mounted or disabled by administrator config
17:05<xreal>dondelelcaro: 777162
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17:12<xreal>dondelelcaro: did you die while reading my bad English?
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17:14<dondelelcaro>xreal: no, I had to read the config file. I think you've got the set-selections backwards
17:14<dondelelcaro>and I'm not sure that you need the console-common stuff either
17:14<xreal>dondelelcaro: it's depending on each other, they can't live without :)
17:15<xreal>dondelelcaro: of course console-setup is the next generation, I got this working as expected, but this console-data is bundled with jessie, why not fix it? :)
17:15<xreal>dondelelcaro: about set-selections: I tried it in *any* way, even the manual way changing the .config file.
17:15<dondelelcaro>xreal: console-data's config file is a nightmare
17:15<xreal>dondelelcaro: yep :)
17:15<xreal>dondelelcaro: I did more comments than the programmer did, hehe.
17:16<dondelelcaro>so, it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to go into that morass to fix it
17:16<xreal>dondelelcaro: that's why I asked for a work-around using apt :)
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17:17<dondelelcaro>anyway, you can work around it by running the specific set-selections using apt with a dpkg hook
17:17<xreal>dondelelcaro: okay, let me google this.
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17:17<xreal>dondelelcaro: A last word: When you have a look at the web, thousands and more post were about setting languages other than en_US for automatic install made trouble all over the world. I think, everyone had this problem :D
17:18<dondelelcaro>because once you've got the settings, you can just kick them in
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17:18<xreal>dondelelcaro: that sounds good!
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17:18<dondelelcaro>could be; most people who do automated installs use the installer, which does all of this correctly
17:18<xreal>dondelelcaro: yeah, but only since wheezy... it started with console_setup as standard and it doesn't have a problem with debconfig.
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17:19<xreal>dondelelcaro: Is it bad to use debconfig as a registry? it's pretty useful, in my opinion. Shure, not every package uses it...
17:19<dondelelcaro>configuration files are the registry
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17:19<dondelelcaro>having debconf overwrite your configuration files is bad
17:20<dondelelcaro>but in this case, it just sounds like the configuration script itself isn't DTRT
17:20<xreal>dondelelcaro: that way my main problem. on dpkg-reocnfigure, many scripts don't parse the config-files, they're reading from debconfig-database.
17:20<dondelelcaro>xreal: well, sometimes they do... but those packages generally shouldn't be modifying the configuration files
17:21<dondelelcaro>and usually that's a bug
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17:21<dondelelcaro>they're not supposed to do that
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17:21<xreal>dondelelcaro: So I should prefer write files in /etc/ than to let dpkg-reconfigure do the job?
17:21<xreal>writing*
17:21<dondelelcaro>xreal: yeah; or at least, that's what I'd do
17:22<xreal>dondelelcaro: I had trouble with detecting all the config files, which are important.
17:22<dondelelcaro>xreal: I guess it really depends on what you're doing; for one time installs, debconf should be OK.
17:22<xreal>dondelelcaro: when setting the language file in /etc/console, there was a script run in postconfig, which set the font.
17:23<dondelelcaro>but going forward, you generally want to modify the configuration files themselves
17:23<xreal>dondelelcaro: ok.
17:23<xreal>Perhaps a future release of Debian (or a fork) will use a debconfig-db in sqlite or something.
17:24<xreal>Then you could drag them to another system and it's set up :)
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17:27<dondelelcaro>xreal: you can already do that
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17:28<xreal>dondelelcaro: I just tried to copy /etc/console to a brand new system with installed console-* and gues what happened? it didn't load all the files. There are scripts needed in postconfig... but running dpkg-reconfigure resets anything to default... gnaaahhh
17:28<xreal>dondelelcaro: how can I do this? :D
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17:32<dondelelcaro>xreal: just call install-keymap after you do that
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17:34<xreal>dondelelcaro: command not found :D
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17:34<xreal>dondelelcaro: argh, wrong chroot, sorry.
17:35<xreal>dondelelcaro: I mean, this one: "<dondelelcaro> xreal: you can already do that" :)
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17:42<dondelelcaro>xreal: you'd have to write a database driver to do sqlite (I had misremembered that one existed), but debconf is just a flatfile.
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17:42<xreal>dondelelcaro: yep, I like flatfiles, but since my goal is bigger, sqlite would be a better solution :)
17:42<xreal>dondelelcaro: let me good dpkg hooks
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17:45<ryouma>i have been resisting going to sqlite, but one too many join(1) sorting error makes me wonder
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17:56<Linnak>hi is there any difference between these?: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_rc1/i386/iso-dvd/
17:56<Linnak>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/
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18:00<kgx>Linnak: Not really, the first link is to the rc1 installer release which came out last month. The second link is the weekly build which is also Debian Jessie, but more up to date with upstream since the iso was built more recently.
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18:00<Linnak>kgx: thank you
18:01<kgx>Linnak: You would have to do more updates after your system is installed with the rc1 dvd iso than you would have with the weekly build dvd iso, but the weekly build has a higher probability of being broken
18:01<kgx>Linnak: No problem ;-)
18:01<Linnak>i got it
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18:03<Szeraax>Hi all. Anyone have ideas for why when I set a static IP on my debian after about 5 minutes, I no longer can resolve hostnames? After doing ifdown/up it works again... but will die fairly soon. I have set nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf and I have proper IP address\mask\gateway.
18:03<astings>Why chrome is so slow in debian?
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18:07<astings>How to use Emacs?
18:10<paxmark9>astings, well try midori or qupzilla as browsers emacs - there is tonnes and tonnes of stuff on web, you can't learn emacs except by doing.
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18:17<astings>how to uncompress a Rar file in debian?
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18:18<nkuttler>astings: with unrar?
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18:19<astings>how to install unrar?
18:19<astings>i don't know
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18:27<nkuttler>astings: like any other package. with apt-get or aptitude
18:27<nkuttler>or this synaptic thing or what it's called if you prefer a gui
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18:38<user393j9>or you go to the unrar homepage and downloads the archive extract it and copy rar and unrar to
18:39<user393j9>I think it was /bin or /usr/bin
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18:39<user393j9>then it should work out of the box
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18:51<retrospectacus>dpkg, tell user393j9 about dont break debian
18:52<retrospectacus>(nor encourage others to break it)
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18:55<user393j9>what for?
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18:57<devil>user393j9: because it is better to use .debs from debian archive handles by dpkg
18:57<devil>handled
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19:05<user393j9>Usually this is true of cause, this has furthermore the advantage of a better authenticy.
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19:07<astings>how to add a repository non-free on debian?
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19:08<astings>why debian is so complicated?
19:09<devil>astings: compared to?
19:09<astings>windows
19:09<devil>haha
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19:09<astings>i'm new
19:09<devil>ever had to dig in the registry?
19:09<devil>or find drivers that don't exist?
19:09<astings>install packages
19:10<devil>we love sentences
19:10<astings>how to use the command line?
19:11<devil>to add contrib nonfree, you need to edit your sources.list.d/debian.list
19:11<devil>astings: we cannot teach you linux
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19:11<devil>we can help you with debian, the reading is up to you though
19:11<astings>:C
19:11<retrospectacus>user393j9: there is package "unrar-nonfree" or whatever which will handle patent-encumbered rar files
19:12<astings>ok devil
19:13<retrospectacus>user393j9: using apt has the advantage of a system automatically upgrading and managing your packages, dependencies, security fixes... IMHO this is its main feature
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19:13<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell astings about non-free sources
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19:21<astings>is true that google is obsolete?
19:21<acald3ron>nt
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19:22<acald3ron>google is the big spider !
19:22<user393j9>You may want to use startpage or duckduckgo instead
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19:32<astings>the final frontier..........
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19:35<astings>why the books of Deitel have around 1000 pages more that the bible then he is jesus?
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19:57<xreal>dondelelcaro: Dpkg::Pre-Invoke isn't correct, is it?
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20:02<xreal>something like this? apt-get -o Dpkg::Pre-Invoke=/tmp/pre-invoke.sh install
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20:06<dondelelcaro>xreal: no, you'd want it like apt-get -o Dpkg::options:='--pre-invoke="foocmd"' which will then get called with install.
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20:09<xreal>dondelelcaro: ah, thanks. Trust me, I didn't find that anywhere :D
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20:14<xreal>dondelelcaro: there's also DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs
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20:26<varChar>Trying to get a folder shared from a virtual machine to windows with samba. After a bit struggling i finally get everything to work, except for the one thing that i seem to not have to enter any username/password to get access? It acts like i have guest ok = yes, but i don't. Really strange
20:27<dvs>varChar: man smbpasswd
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20:30<varChar>dvs i dont understand? i have created a user with smbpasswd ofc, and my shared folder looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/83241943/
20:30<varChar>i also have security = user enabled
20:31<varChar>hmm i didn't mean to hide that, not really that secretly :)
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20:33<dvs>varChar: I've always had a heap of trouble with samba but smbpasswd is the command I always forget about.
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20:35<varChar>i have not forget about it. but i have a user account at the windows machine with the same username and password, thu, i'm not logged in with that user atm - so i find it strange that my current user can access the share without any password. pretty much commented out all default stuff except for encryption, workgroup and securitypart
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20:51<xreal>dondelelcaro: can't get it to work: http://pastie.org/pastes/9893699/text
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21:09<varChar>If anybody knows a solution please query me, i need to go to bed atm but i would really be happy if someone can tell me what i'm doing wrong
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21:13<Jimz>hola?
21:13<Jimz>hi?
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22:11<freitas>hi guys, i need help to alternate my java versions, i've installed java 6 , java 7 and java 8 because i need to alternate between them. But using update-alternatives --config java i set java 7 but when i check by browser it reports that i'm using java 8 ....i tried update-alternatives --config mozilla-javaplugin .....
22:12<freitas>the links are ok.... /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins$ ls -lah libjavaplugin.so
22:12<freitas>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Fev 4 21:31 libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so
22:12<freitas>freitas@lion:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins$ ls -lah /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so
22:12<freitas>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 52 Fev 4 22:27 /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so
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22:13<freitas>any ideas ?
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22:21<martingale>freitas, make sure you close all instances of your browser after update-alternatives. then start it up again and check
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22:24<freitas>martingale, i've done it, but still reports java 8 ...all my configs are pointing to java 7.
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22:27<freitas>i'll restart my session ...a minute..
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22:40<scientes>its not possible to do log base 5.5 in gnome-calculator?
22:40<scientes>I need to know what log base5.5 of 2 is
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22:42<scientes>1.059 apparently http://people.bu.edu/scott/chromatic.html
22:42<martingale>scientes, log_b(a) = log(b)/log(a)
22:42<martingale>so log base 5.5 of 2 is log(5.5)/log(2)
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22:43<scientes>oh yes i forgot
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22:45<martingale>oops scientes, i said that backwards
22:45<martingale>log base 5.5 of 2 is log(2)/log(5.5)
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22:49<scientes>hmm I got the math wrong then
22:50<scientes>if the frequency doubles every 11 steps of the log, then what is the base?
22:53<martingale>what do you mean "steps of the log"?
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22:54<scientes>log(11)/log(x)=2
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22:54<scientes>right?
22:54<scientes>i'm so confused i use to be good at math
22:55<scientes>the chromatic scale has eleven steps (actually 12 cause it uses inclusive counting..) to double the frequency (called an octave). each step is exactly the same ratio from each other, on a log scale
22:56<martingale>log(11) = 2 log(x) \implies log(11)/2 = log(x) \implies x = exp(log(11)/2) = 11^(1/2)
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22:57<martingale>you may also want to look at wolframalpha.com (to solve those equations) or math.stackexchange.com (if you need more personalized help)
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23:06<scientes>ahh here we go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_root_of_two
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