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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-02-08

---Logopened Sun Feb 08 00:00:03 2015
00:00<teward>punkgeek: that needs to go to the ubuntu support channels on freenode
00:01<teward>(Ubuntu is Debian based but is not actually Debian)
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00:04<chamuco>any current discussions?
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00:05<chamuco>hi Noskcaj
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00:10<Noskcaj>hey chamuco
00:10<chamuco>first time on this channel, i was hoping for some action lol
00:11<chamuco>linux action that is
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00:14<themill>chamuco: this is a support channel. No bugs and no problems means that it is quiet.
00:14<chamuco>oh gotcha!
00:15<chamuco>i do have a question about the chromium pepper flash plugin themill
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00:18<chamuco>I am running wheezy and added the backports repo to my sources.list.d directory with the .list extension and ran sudo aptitude update
00:18<chamuco>then sudo aptitude -t wheezy-backports install pepperflashplugin-nonfree and it its not finding the package
00:19<lostson>did you make sure your backports has contrib and non-free
00:19<themill>it's in contrib not main; note that chromium is unsupported in wheezy
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00:21<chamuco>i did not have contrib and non-free only main, I will add now
00:21<chamuco>themill, what is the recommended web browser for debian?
00:22<themill>in wheezy, iceweasel or, at this stage of the release cycle, upgrade to jessie
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00:22<alvin>anyone tried installing base16 theme in gnome terminal?
00:22<alvin>https://github.com/chriskempson/base16-gnome-terminal
00:23<alvin>I would like to install it but I've not used git in the past. The instructions don't help me either. Any advice?
00:24<chamuco>thanks lostson and themill
00:24<chamuco>alvin are you having trouble with using git and cloning the repo?
00:25<chamuco>or are the instructions for installing from the repo not clear?
00:25<alvin>chamuco: Not sure how to install it. I haven't tried doing either.
00:26<alvin>This is the instructions
00:26<polyphagia>clone it first
00:26<polyphagia>git clone https://github.com/chriskempson/base16-gnome-terminal
00:26<chamuco>ok want to start with installing and cloning?
00:26<chamuco>yes exactly
00:26<alvin>Firstly source the scheme file of your choosing
00:26<polyphagia>oh sorry chamuco i'll let you :P
00:26<alvin>ow ok
00:26<chamuco>lol no polyphagia your quicker at getting to the point lol
00:27<alvin>Sorry I haven't used git in the past :)
00:27<chamuco>k sudo aptitude install git
00:27<chamuco>alvin its an awesome tool
00:27<alvin>so step one clone the git as per Polys instructions
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00:28<chamuco>yes but install git if not already installed
00:28<alvin>chamuco: ok one sec
00:28<alvin>done
00:29<alvin>chamuco: git clone next?
00:29<chamuco>k now clone per polyphagia code snip
00:29<alvin>chamuco: ok
00:29<chamuco>yup
00:29<chamuco> git clone https://github.com/chriskempson/base16-gnome-terminal
00:30<chamuco>alvin give me one sec as well
00:30<chamuco>im going to clone and go through it with you
00:30<alvin>np
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00:32<chamuco>ok, i got it cloned
00:32<chamuco>do you have the base16-gnome-terminal directory on your box?
00:33<alvin>almost there
00:33<alvin>not yet
00:33<alvin>done
00:33<chamuco>awesome
00:33<alvin>k what next
00:33<chamuco>ok so it looks like just a ton of scripts
00:33<alvin>yeah
00:33<alvin>depending on which color scheme your prefer
00:33<alvin>hang one sec
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00:34<alvin>http://chriskempson.github.io/base16/#solarizedhttp://chriskempson.github.io/base16/#solarized
00:34<alvin>try that
00:34<chamuco>according to the README, we need to run source .config/base16-gnome-terminal/base16-default.dark.sh which the file name will be theme we want to use
00:34<chamuco>so go ahead and pick a theme
00:34<alvin>ok I've gone for solarized
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00:35<chamuco>alvin do know if there are screen shots for each script posted somewhere?
00:35<alvin>that link I sent you shows you
00:35<alvin>top left hand corner
00:36<alvin>it says pick one
00:36<chamuco>shit sorry, didn't open it
00:36<alvin>a drop down menu should appear with all the color schemes
00:36<alvin>nice bit of code
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00:36<alvin>I like the way they did it
00:37<alvin>I went with solarized. easier on the eyes
00:37<chamuco>ok we have to restart the terminal
00:37<alvin>Do I have to download anything yet?
00:37<chamuco>Right click on the terminal and select profiles the menu that pops-up
00:37<alvin>or just restart the terminal
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00:37<chamuco>according to the README just restart the terminal
00:38<alvin>Nope I can't see anything
00:38<alvin>Just the default
00:39<alvin>I still have this terminal running wee chat open though
00:39<chamuco>alvin let me take a look at something
00:39<alvin>close all terminals?
00:39<alvin>ok
00:39<chamuco>whats you pwd?
00:39<alvin>/home/usr
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00:39<chamuco>we'll kill all terminal processes in a sec
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00:41<alvin>ok yes I have the base16 folder in my drive with all the scripts
00:41<alvin>appolgies I didn't see it
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00:42<chamuco>alvin do you have this directory? .config/base16-gnome-terminal/base16-default.dark.sh
00:43<alvin>let me check
00:43<chamuco>wait actually just .cofing/base16-gnome-terminal
00:43<chamuco>check the .config directory within your home directory
00:44<darthanubis>anyone getting issues with google gmail constantly asking for your password in gnome, and even giving it the password never sticks?
00:44<alvin>k
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00:45<alvin>all I got is base16-gnome-terminal folder in my home dir
00:46<alvin>its not hidden '.'
00:46<themill>dpkg: tell darthanubis about cross-post
00:46<alvin>chamuco: As I said all I have is base16-gnome-terminal folder
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00:47<alvin>chamuco: nothing in my config folder called base16
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00:48<alvin>chamuco: I am running ubuntu which may change its behaviour
00:49<darthanubis>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/1353951
00:49<darthanubis>This bug is in debian as well
00:49<darthanubis>left ubuntu for this reason
00:49<darthanubis>is it a gnome issue?
00:50<alvin>darthanubis: who me?
00:50<darthanubis>anyone
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00:50<chamuco>alvin let me try copying the base16 cloned directory to my .config directory in my home folder and test
00:51<alvin>chamuco: I just when through my whole directory and couldn't see that file extension
00:51<darthanubis>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=750175
00:51<alvin>chamuco: All I got is base16-gnome-terminal folder
00:51<chamuco>it doesnt specify the full pastname to .config/base16-teminal/theme..
00:52<chamuco>ok alvin one sec
00:52<chamuco>let me test first
00:52<alvin>k
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00:52<sleser>is there something to mount a flopy dongle with ?
00:53<chamuco>alvin after running that source .config/base16-gnome-terminal command did you get a no such file or directory error?
00:54<chamuco> flopy dongle? external usb floppy drive?
00:55<alvin>/home/alvin/base16-gnome-terminal/base16-default.dark.sh
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00:56<alvin>chamuco: I used find to search my whole system and that's all I got mate
00:56<alvin>chamuco: /home/alvin/base16-gnome-terminal/base16-default.dark.sh
00:57<alvin>chamuco: I made 'find' start from root as well
00:57<alvin>sudo find / -type f -name base16-default.dark.sh
00:59<sleser>like to mount the flopy disk . like they do for iso
00:59<chamuco>alvin please copy the base16 folder to ~/.config directory
00:59<sleser>its not a disk i have to make the computer look like its a disk .
00:59<chamuco>so for you it will be ....
01:00<chamuco>sleser what exactly is the hardware?
01:00<sleser>no its for alldata
01:00<sleser>automotive library app
01:00<chamuco>sorry you said its not a disk
01:00<chamuco>so what media type is it?
01:01<chamuco>sorry sleser
01:01<sleser>a software
01:01<chamuco>i missed your message
01:01<sleser>when if to run the app t hat flopy file has to be mounted like . regular iso files virtual .
01:01<sleser>a virtual flopy drive ?
01:02<chamuco>alvin the command should be copy -r /home/alvin/base16-gnome-terminal/ ~/.confg/base16-gnome-terminal
01:02<chamuco>sorry alvin my add kicked in
01:03<chamuco>sleser to make sure i understand, you have a physical floppy drive or need to make the app think you have a floppy drive
01:03<chamuco>?
01:03<sleser>i think i basicaly need a tool a virtual floppy drive . i have no hardware drives
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01:05<chamuco>sleser you can't change the directory where the app is looking for the drive?
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01:05<chamuco>make it any other type of drive?
01:05<sleser>i have no clue on windows this runs only if the dongle mounted with virtual flopy drive
01:06<sleser>i want to run this on linux basicaly the same preseger with wine and all t hat included
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01:06<alvin>chamuco: Ill be back mate
01:07<alvin>chamuco: Thanks for your help
01:07<alvin>chamuco: Just one question, if anything goes wrong can I how do I remove the git clone?
01:08<alvin>chamuco: I think you can just recursively delete the file right?
01:08<alvin>rm -r
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01:08<chamuco>yup exactly
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01:15<chamuco>sleser i found this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=77385
01:16<chamuco>so $ dd bs=512 count=2880 if=/dev/zero of=floppy.img
01:16<chamuco>$ mkfs.msdos floppy.img
01:16<chamuco>$ sudo mount -o loop image.img /media/floppy/
01:16<chamuco><<<copy your files on to the "drive" now>>>
01:16<chamuco>$ sudo umount /media/floppy/
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01:17<SamB_laptop>sleser: or if you already have a disk image you use that instead of using dd, mkfs, and <<<copy>>> to make one ...
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01:19<chamuco>sleser did you get my message, i was kicked out lol
01:19<alvin>chamuco: Sorry mate, my internet is doing some funny things.
01:19<chamuco>alvin no worries, want to keep working on that?
01:20<alvin>chamuco: yeah sure
01:20<alvin>so you want me to copy or move that directory? Keeping in mind that its ubuntu
01:21<alvin>chamuco: atm the directory containing all the scripts is in /home/alvin/base16-gnome-terminal
01:21<chamuco>alvin i got it to work
01:21<alvin>chamuco: nice
01:21<chamuco>ok lets do this
01:21<alvin>k
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01:21<sleser>chamuco link helped
01:21<chamuco>awesome sleser!
01:22<chamuco>sleser I thought I got kicked for pasting the archlinux link
01:22<chamuco>i didnt realize it
01:22<chamuco>i found the fix and just copied the link
01:22<chamuco>alvin
01:22<alvin>chamuco: You rang?
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01:23<alvin>chamuco: aka Lurch
01:23<chamuco>cp -r /home/alvin/base16-gnome-terminal ~/.config/
01:23<alvin>k
01:23<alvin>done
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01:24<chamuco>ok now source ~/.config/base16-gnome-terminal/name_of_your_theme
01:25<chamuco>i forgot what theme you wanted
01:25<chamuco>solarized was it? theres dark and light
01:26<alvin>yep sorry, I was scrolling through all the .sh files
01:26<chamuco>ok let me know once you have picked one
01:26<alvin>base16-solarized.dark.sh
01:26<alvin>done
01:26<chamuco>sweet no errors right?
01:26<chamuco>close gnome-terminal
01:27<alvin>command not found
01:27<chamuco>dont run as sudo
01:27<chamuco>or root
01:27<chamuco>just as your regular alvin user
01:28<alvin>ok
01:28<chamuco>you dont get a response after running that source command
01:29<chamuco>so no news is good news
01:29<chamuco>as long as it doesn't error out
01:29<chamuco>the source "command" is a bash built in command
01:29<alvin>what am I supposed to type? The full path name to the .sh file?
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01:30<chamuco>yes so in your case its
01:30<chamuco>ok now source ~/.config/base16-gnome-terminal/base16-solarized.dark.sh
01:31<chamuco>you shouldnt get any response from the terminal
01:31<alvin>yes no news is good new
01:31<alvin>* news
01:31<alvin>close terminal
01:31<chamuco>ok close your terminal
01:31<chamuco>reopen it
01:32<chamuco>right click inside the terminal
01:32<chamuco>not on the top bar
01:32<chamuco>do you see profiles in your menu?
01:32<alvin>yes
01:32<alvin>Base 16 Solarized
01:32<chamuco>base 16 solarized dark?
01:32<alvin>yep
01:32<alvin>what now
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01:33<alvin>double click on it
01:34<chamuco>it is selected by default as it is the only one you have added so far
01:34<alvin>got it, had to change it in the profile window to be default. Cheers!
01:35<chamuco>alvin so all good?
01:35<alvin>looks that way
01:35<alvin>chamuco: Ill just try it out
01:35<chamuco>k let me check mine out, i dont have vim installed
01:36<alvin>chamuco: why was it important to place the file in .~
01:36<alvin>.config/
01:37<chamuco>that is where your user shell preferences are kept
01:37<chamuco>i think lol don't qoute me
01:37<alvin>I see thanks
01:37<chamuco>but I will message the dev to add that to the instructions
01:38<chamuco>it was very clear where the .config file was to begin with
01:38<chamuco>.config directory i mean
01:38<alvin>k good job
01:38<chamuco>"in linux, everything is a file" lol
01:38<chamuco>alvin shit sorry
01:38<alvin>chamuco: It wasn't clear initially from the instructions on his site
01:38<chamuco>it WASNT very clear
01:38<chamuco>yes i agree alvin
01:39<chamuco>funny how that one letter totally changed what i wanted to say
01:39<alvin>cheers mate. see you round
01:39<chamuco>alvin whereabouts are you located?
01:39<chamuco>just curious
01:39<alvin>Australia
01:39<alvin>my typing is just bad lol
01:40<chamuco>no man mine totally is, im typing in the dark
01:40<alvin>Trying to do this on a small cramped laptop
01:40<chamuco>just moved places and left my usb light at home
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01:40<chamuco>yes same here, on a 11.6
01:40<alvin>mines a bit bigger but I hate these stupid lenovo track pads
01:41<alvin>the new ones!
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01:41<chamuco>alvin close to Sydney by any chance?
01:41<alvin>chamuco: LOL sort of
01:41<alvin>I'm further south in Adelaide
01:41<chamuco>quick question
01:41<alvin>shhot
01:41<alvin>*shoot
01:42<chamuco>how big of a deal was it last year to have the dodgers play the diamond backs at the Sydney Cricket Ground?
01:42<alvin>chamuco: Not very, I didn't realise it even happened!
01:42<chamuco>what model Lenovo btw?
01:42<chamuco>lol
01:43<chamuco>I bleed blue fort the dodgers, I stayed up to watch the game at 3am
01:43<alvin>ThinkPad E540
01:43<alvin>custom built with 16 GB RAM i7 and SSD
01:43<chamuco>for the dodgers*
01:43<chamuco>NICE!!!
01:43<chamuco>i havent upgraded to a ssd yet
01:43<chamuco>i seen the boot time be merely seconds on those
01:44<alvin>chamuco: Yeah lenovo stopped allowing people to custom order them
01:44<chamuco>so how did you do it? you did it right before?
01:44<alvin>I think it was just of a grand not to bad
01:45<alvin>Yeah, there is an option to prebuild your own. This allows you to select the components and screen e.g. 1080p resolution
01:45<chamuco>nice
01:45<alvin>I got in before they stopped doing it
01:45<alvin>I hear there is another linux laptop on the market though. Crowd funded I believe.
01:45<alvin>Can't think of the name
01:46<alvin>libre something
01:46<chamuco>penguin libre?
01:46<alvin>librem 15!
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01:47<chamuco>nvm libre 15
01:47<alvin>looks good but a bit expensive
01:47<chamuco>lol yes just found the link
01:47<alvin>I olny go for base intel stuff with my build since I only run linux
01:48<chamuco>shit thats pricy
01:48<alvin>Yeah, its a small fortune for a linux box
01:48<chamuco>thats where i make mistakes, i dont read up on hardware like i should
01:49<alvin>better of buying windows machine and reinstalling linux
01:49<chamuco>thats exactly what i did with the machine im running
01:49<alvin>Nice screen but what distros support 4k resolution?
01:49<chamuco>shit 4k?!
01:50<alvin>I have enough trouble with a 1080P screen.
01:50<alvin>yeah overkill much
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01:50<alvin>only ubuntu supports hi res
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01:50<chamuco>i would think so for canonical
01:51<alvin>Im more a terminal guy. I spend most of my time on the terminal so clear fonts are important to me.
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01:52<chamuco>gotcha
01:52<alvin>no other distro seems to be able to get nice native text resolution like ubuntu.
01:52<alvin>if they did I would move
01:53<alvin>chamuco: Just one question, if you want to get rid of a git clone. How would you do it?
01:53<alvin>just remove the directories I installed or what?
01:54<chamuco>well the proper way is git rm -r
01:55<alvin>followed by the url?
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01:56<alvin>chamuco: ?
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01:56<chamuco>alvin no i lied, git rm is for removing files or directories from the staging area
01:56<chamuco>you were right
01:56<alvin>ok thanks
01:56<chamuco>do a rm -r on your /home/alvin/base16-gnome-terminal
01:57<alvin>nice
01:57<alvin>just needed that in case I want to get rid of it and revert
01:58<chamuco>yup to revert just do the git clone http_url
01:58<chamuco>alvin have you heard of Respin to make custom live iso of Ubuntu?
01:59<alvin>I think I saw it once, why?
02:00<chamuco>im working on that project just wanted to know how many users are out there
02:00<chamuco>not much by the sounds of things lol
02:00<alvin>chamuco: I tried to make a minimial install of debian testing with i3 wm
02:01<alvin>got all the packages installed but couldn't get the terminal to look as nice as ubuntu
02:01<alvin>my receipe is simple: apt get install xorg lightdm i3 dmenu
02:01<chamuco>you were using gnome-terminal on debian?
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02:02<beginpy>Hello Can somebody help me please?
02:02<alvin>chamuco: only to see if I could get it to look like ubuntu. I prefer uxrvt
02:02<chamuco>hi beginpy
02:02<chamuco>i need to branch out and try different terminals, I usually just go with xterm
02:03<beginpy>hi! firstly sorry for my bad English, my native language is Spanish, but there not response me
02:03<chamuco>lol no te preocupes beginpy
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02:03<beginpy>jaja vamos allí? a debian-es
02:03<beginpy>?
02:03<chamuco>te pido desculpas para mi mal espnaol
02:04<beginpy>ah ok dont worry
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02:04<alvin>chamuco: I'm impressed you speak spanish?
02:04<chamuco>si me dices en espanol te voy a entender
02:04<beginpy>So, I have a question, is the next, how can I know if my wi-fi card is supported by Debian?
02:04<chamuco>pero para responder aveces se me van las palabras
02:05<beginpy>don't worry, i think that i can continue speak in English, or I will try it :D
02:05<chamuco>ok do a lshw | grep wireless
02:05<beginpy>but i don't install it already
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02:05<chamuco>alvin yes my parents are from Zacatecas
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02:06<chamuco>beginpy, thats ok, i want to see what device you have and we can go from there
02:06<chamuco>beginpy sorry
02:06<chamuco>you meant you havent installed the driver or the physical card?
02:07<chamuco>if its the card, i usually just google the model number and debian driver and see what type of support i come across or just go directly to the manufacturers driver page
02:08<beginpy>ah ok, so i need install Debian, and from the GUI install driver?
02:08<chamuco>well it depends beginpy
02:09<chamuco>it really depends on the card itself
02:09<beginpy>i'm searching name of my device, give me a moment
02:09<chamuco>beginpy so i am clear on your question, are you planning to install debian and want to first make sure your wifi card is installed?
02:10<chamuco>i mean wifi card is supported?
02:10<beginpy>My Wi-Fi card is Ovislink EVO-300PCI
02:10<chamuco>ok dame un segundo
02:10<beginpy>ok perfect, thanks man! :D
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02:14<chamuco>beginpy yes there is support for debian!
02:15<beginpy>but i will need install drivers apart of the installation or it's include in the .iso?
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02:17<chamuco>beginpy you will definitely need to install drivers, my wifi card was not supported by default
02:17<chamuco>Debian is pretty bare when it comes to drivers compared to other distros like ubuntu
02:17<chamuco>but its definitely a plus in my opinion
02:18<chamuco>there is a backport repository you can add to get the driver
02:18<chamuco>are you comfortable installing drivers?
02:19<beginpy>i was never install drivers from comand line, how can i do it?
02:19<beginpy>i mean, what is the comand?
02:20<chamuco>ok are you familiar with the backports repository?
02:21<beginpy>no
02:21<chamuco>ok actually we might not have to do that
02:22<chamuco>what version of debian are you running?
02:22<chamuco>wheezy?
02:22<beginpy>i will install the last version stable
02:22<beginpy>wheezy right? :
02:22<beginpy>:D
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02:23<chamuco>well themill recommended going with jessie
02:24<chamuco>but I use wheezy
02:24<beginpy>ah ok perfect, jesse then :D
02:24<beginpy>i go to install it
02:24<beginpy>thanks men!
02:25<beginpy>really thanks
02:25<chamuco>beginpy have you worked with Debian before?
02:26<beginpy>can i download it as cd/dvd and convert in booteable for usb?
02:26<chamuco>Jessie is still under development, if its your first time i recommend something stable like wheezy
02:26<chamuco>yes you can
02:26<beginpy>no, i never worked with debian before
02:26<chamuco>ok I recommend wheezy
02:26<beginpy>ok perfect, so i go download wheezy
02:27<chamuco>only because when things are still under development there are complicated work arounds fort things
02:27<chamuco>yes download wheezy, with these new hybrid iso's it is really easy to make a bootable live usb
02:28<beginpy>ok
02:29<chamuco>beginpy let me know when it has finished downloading
02:29<chamuco>I can help with getting it to boot from a usb
02:29<beginpy>but, the problem is i dont know what iso download, because i have various
02:30<chamuco>ok let me get you the link
02:30<beginpy>check it http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/i386/bt-dvd/
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02:31<chamuco>what type of processor do you have? 32bit or 64?
02:31<beginpy>32 bit
02:31<beginpy>my machine is oldy :D
02:32<chamuco>no worries beginpy, debian is awesome on old hardware :)
02:32<chamuco>ok do you have a preference for desktop environment?
02:32<beginpy>jajajjaaj great! :D
02:32<chamuco>i like xfce but there is also kde and lxde
02:33<beginpy>yes, Xfce
02:33<beginpy>Xfce is the best for me and my machine
02:33<chamuco>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.8.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso
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02:34<chamuco>beginpy whereabouts are you?
02:34<beginpy>thanks! downloading
02:34<beginpy>i dont understand your question, sorry
02:34<chamuco>de donde eres?
02:34<chamuco>que pais mejor dicho
02:34<beginpy>ahh ok! i'm from spain, but i was born in Uruguay :D
02:35<beginpy>and i grew up in Spain since 5 years old
02:35<chamuco>ah ok, me gusta saber donde en este mundo esta la otra pesona atras de la pantalla
02:35<beginpy>i'm leaving in Córdoba, Andalucía
02:36<beginpy>jajajaja nice, and you? where are you from?
02:36<chamuco>your english is very good, don't doubt yourself
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02:36<chamuco>I am currently in Mesa, Arizona, US
02:36<chamuco>but I grew up in Los Angeles, CA
02:36<beginpy>pffff, i don't think so, my english is regular to poor :D
02:37<chamuco>my parents originated from Zacatecas, MX
02:37<beginpy>WOW! Los Angeles! :D
02:37<chamuco>lol no te creo
02:37<beginpy>I love it!
02:37<chamuco>yes but too expensive
02:37<beginpy>sun, beach, what do you want any more?
02:38<beginpy>jajaja
02:38<beginpy>Mesa, Arizona, desert?
02:38<chamuco>yes! really good local brewed beer and fresh outdoor grown weed lol
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02:39<chamuco>you have to go to north part of CA for that
02:39<chamuco>yes desert
02:39<chamuco>hot ass desert
02:39<chamuco>dont come to AZ in the summer
02:40<beginpy>jajajajaja, how many centigrades in summer?
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02:40<beginpy>here 51ºC
02:40<beginpy>the top
02:40<beginpy>but now 1ºC
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02:41<chamuco>shit! here only 48C
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02:42<chamuco>beginpy what brought you over to the Debian side?
02:42<beginpy>jajajajaja Andalucía is know as skillet of Spain
02:42<chamuco>oh wow!
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02:44<beginpy>ok, is easy, currently i'm using opensuse, but i have a problem with Apache2 server, because not catch .htaccess (i'm amateur programmer)
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02:45<beginpy>so, after question in various forums and groups on facebook, i have not answer about of my problem and i need advance with my personal projects :D
02:46<chamuco>awesome! i haven't worked with opensuse yet
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02:46<chamuco>i have used debian server to run apache in a lamp stack and it worked well for me
02:48<chamuco>beginpy how long have you been working with python?
02:48<beginpy>yes, but for some reason in opensuse the LAMP package dont work correctly
02:48<beginpy>from 2 months aprox
02:48<chamuco>weird, i would think that would good with how much opensuse has support
02:48<beginpy>my first language was PHP :D
02:48<chamuco>oh nice!
02:49<chamuco>PHP is really good to know
02:49<beginpy>yes, opensuse have a nice support, but for some software no, because the community is not big like of debian
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02:50<beginpy>well, PHP is for web pages, only, PHP is limited
02:50<chamuco>ah yes I would have to agree with you
02:50<beginpy>so i was decided learn python and more important PySide
02:51<beginpy>because learn language is really easy, but learn how to draw the GUI... is learn a language from zero
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02:52<beginpy>so i'm doing upside down, first PySide and then Python :D
02:52<chamuco>is it easy to find documentation in spanish or do you refer to it in english?
02:52<chamuco>lol
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02:53<beginpy>ohhh nononono, documentation of PySide or PyQT in Spanish? there is a myth :D
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02:54<chamuco>really? I would be willing to translate for the cause lol
02:54<beginpy>my english is regular because i need read documentation in english, english is the swiss knife :D
02:54<chamuco>see here is this free ebook but in english :/
02:54<beginpy>where? because in the official page is not available :D
02:54<chamuco>http://it-ebooks.info/book/3704/
02:55<chamuco>that was the link to the ebook for pyside but in english
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02:55<chamuco>actually beginpy i have never looked up documentation in spanish which made me curios to ask
02:55<beginpy>thanks! i was download the assistant Qt4 application
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02:56<chamuco>i always use that website for finding good documentation for learning something new
02:56<beginpy>the documentation in spanish is a myth :D the same case in the twitter api, for example
02:56<beginpy>ahh ok
02:57<beginpy>i prefer have documentation in my pc, is more comfortable
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02:58<sba>Hi all, I'm having trouble with the jessie installer (RC1): the install seems to work fine, but after the reboot, I do see some logs but then the screen goes weird (white and black stripes), and I cannot make it to the login prompt. This is probably a problem with the framebuffer driver or so. I did not install a desktop (nor an X server I guess). All this is on a macbook pro (7.1). I guess there a boot options to pick the good framebuffer
03:00<chamuco>sba how are you running the installer? from a live usb drive?
03:00<chamuco>also, what type of processor do you have and what iso did you download?
03:00<chamuco>beginpy is this helpful?
03:01<chamuco>https://wiki.python.org/moin/SpanishLanguage
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03:01<sba>I ran the net install from an usb drive. CPU is core 2 duo.
03:02<sba>but the installer did well, the problem is after the install, on the first boot on the installed system.
03:02<beginpy>ohh thanks man! :D :P
03:03<chamuco>did you choose the amd64 or i386
03:03<chamuco>beginpy what type of projects are you working on?
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03:03<chamuco>sba it could be its the wrong architecture
03:04<chamuco>the installer will run, but will not boot if its the wrong architecture
03:04<sba>chamuco: debian-jessie-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso
03:04<sba>I think it is the good one.
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03:05<chamuco>ok yes 64 bit is good
03:06<chamuco>but
03:06<beginpy>currently learning about PySide and in PHP i want do a personal framework. in Python and want do a program of music analyzer and smart preferences of user for put music in the device like phone or mp3 device, but this last is a big proyect for learn python and OOP of python :D
03:06<chamuco>dont choose netinst
03:06<chamuco>sba one sec
03:06<chamuco>let me get you the link
03:07<sba>chamuco: I always used netinst, it worked like a charm. I guess the kernel it installs is the same anyway?
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03:08<chamuco>well netinst is used when installing remotely on a network
03:08<chamuco>are you installing it remotely?
03:08<chamuco>beingpy nice!
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03:08<das>chamuco: are you sure you're using the term remotely correctly ?
03:09<beginpy>;)
03:09<chamuco>lol well if its over a network, i consider that remote
03:10<alvin>chamuco: wow still at it?
03:10<chamuco>lol well when there's questions the work isn't done
03:10<alvin>chamuco: hardcore
03:11<chamuco>das i could be wrong
03:11<sba>chamuco: https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
03:11<alvin>chamuco: do you listen to any podcasts?
03:11<sba>it is not for remote installations, it is just a smaller image, with less packages, so only usable when you have networking at install time (which I have).
03:12<das>"installing debian remotely" -at least to me- means installing it one another computer from your own computer
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03:13<sba>so, no luck with boot options (to set from grub) for the framebuffer?
03:13<chamuco>sba yes, that is still if you are installing over a network or at least thats how i understand it. thats why it lists what type of network connections are supported during the install "What types of network connections are supported during installation? The network install assumes that you have a connection to the Internet. Various different ways are supported for this, like analogue PPP dial-up, Ethernet, WLAN (with some restrictions), but
03:13<chamuco> ISDN is not! sorry"
03:14<chamuco>alvin i don't
03:14<chamuco>do you recommend any?
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03:15<chamuco>sba i think i am getting myself confused
03:15<chamuco>i am reading up on the netinst process
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03:16<chamuco>i was under the impression that netinst was if you were trying to install the downloaded iso to another computer remotely
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03:17<chamuco>but i see that the whole install process is over the internert to download less data depending on your needs
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03:18<sba>chamuco: agreed, my problem is not about netinst
03:19<chamuco>ok my mistake
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03:19<alvin>chamuco: well if your into linux like me, I like Linux Luddities and Linux Voice
03:20<alvin>chamuco: Linux Voice also have a Magazine
03:20<chamuco>alvin awesome I'll have to check those out, I'm always looking for different sources to learn more about linux
03:20<chamuco>sba let me look up if there is a way to change the framebuffer within the grub boot menu
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03:21<chamuco>alvin this is my first time on this channel
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03:24<chamuco>sba shit I can only find how to configure it with the /etc/ files but we need the shell command
03:25<das>could edit the kernel cmd line
03:25<alvin>chamuco: I love thoes two in particular. A great resource and nice listening.
03:26<alvin>chamuco: what was that project you were talking about earlier?
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03:28<chamuco>das would the kernel argument be set gfxpayload=resolution size?
03:28<sba>das: yes, I can edit the kernel cml line. I tried several options without succes. I'm looking (with no luck) for a documentation about these options.
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03:28<chamuco>sorry sba, das, i hardly configure the kernel at boot time
03:29<das>sba: sorry, I was responding to chamuco; I don't know how to help you
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03:30<sba>and this thread is scary: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162289
03:30<sba>last mac ever.
03:30<chamuco>sba did you try to set the framebuffer using that kernel command, set gfxpayload=
03:30<chamuco>?
03:31<chamuco>alvin Respin is a tool to make a custom live usb iso of either ubuntu or debian
03:31<sba>I tried video=efifb, …=vesafg, …=vga:1280x800...
03:32<sba>I also tried noapic, acpi=off...
03:32<chamuco>ok so it looks like vga parameter has been deprecated by the set gfxpayload command in grub 2
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03:32<chamuco>give that a shot
03:33<chamuco>cant hurt to try right?
03:33<chamuco>alvin it even makes a live backup of your system
03:33<sba>I think this is a kernel option, not a grub one, no?
03:33<alvin>chamuco: What was your project about?
03:34<alvin>chamuco: I'll rephrase that, what were you trying to do/recreate?
03:34<chamuco>alvin just making either custom live iso or live backups
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03:34<das>sba: don't remember why but here's my no X setup: video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr:3 gfxmode=1920x1200
03:34<alvin>chamuco: I wouldn't mind using it if there was a way to install ubuntu with i3 instead of unity
03:36<sba>das: thank you, Ill try that. (cannot reboot now)
03:38<chamuco>alvin I would have to test with i3 but if it worked, you would first need to install ubuntu with the default unity then replace unity with i3 and then you could Respin it to make the live usb so if you ever had to reinstall ubuntu you could use your custom iso so it would install with i3 by default
03:38<chamuco>does that make sense?
03:38<das>sba: actually the gfxmode parameter got dropped somewhere according to /proc/cmdline, but it's in my grub config ...
03:38<das>sba: might want to try all permutations
03:40<alvin>chamuco: yeah it does
03:41<alvin>chamuco: although I probably should just use debian
03:42<chamuco>sba I found this concerning gfxpayload replacing the vga= setting in grub2
03:42<chamuco>https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/gfxpayload.html
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03:47<sba>chamuco: thanks!
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03:47<sba>quite funny "Depending on your kernel, your distribution, your graphics card, and the phase of the moon, n"
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03:47<chamuco>yes the phase of the moon always throws me off if i dont prepare for that
03:48<das>sba: welcome to linux caveats, and also at least your network/wifi card is probably supported now :)
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03:49<chamuco>sba let me know if you find a solution
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03:51<chamuco>alvin to each their own, i know a ton of people that love ubuntu
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03:51<sba>das: actually support for the wireless has probably decreased
03:52<sba>"As of kernel version 3.17.1-2, Broadcom Wireless driver most likely won't work"
03:52<sba>from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBookPro7,1
03:52<sba>(they then propose solution, it's probably not all black)
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03:53<chamuco>is Broadcom that old?
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03:55<sba>I think this was a reversed engineered driver.
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03:56<das>sba: interesting
03:56<sba>and that the next generations had broader open-source support from broadcom itself, not from the same codebase, so my specific device is not very well maintained
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03:57<sba>(well, I'm not sure about all that).
03:57<sba>anyway this laptop is either too old or not old enough :-/
03:57<beginpy>chamuco i cant install it, at the point of installation the screen turn on blue and i cant continue
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03:58<chamuco>ok how did you create the live iso?
03:58<chamuco>or did you burn to a disk?
03:59<beginpy>i did with unetbootin
03:59<devil>beginpy: forget unetbootin
03:59<beginpy>my usb have 32Gb space
03:59<chamuco>what are you currently running?
03:59<beginpy>oh ok
03:59<devil>does not work with debian
03:59<devil>beginpy: use dd
03:59<beginpy>i'm in opensuse
03:59<chamuco>yes dd is best
03:59<beginpy>dd comand?
03:59<chamuco>yes what os are you running?
03:59<devil>well, that I don't know. dd works even on windows ;)
04:00<beginpy>OpenSUSE
04:00<chamuco>oh! it does work on windows?
04:00<chamuco>ok awesome
04:00<beginpy>can you refresh how to use dd comand?
04:00<chamuco>so dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/your_usb bs=4096
04:00<devil>chamuco: http://sourceforge.net/projects/windd/ ans otheres
04:01<beginpy>i always use unetbootin hehe
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04:01<alvin>chamuco: I use a linux mint virtual machine which has a native usb creator app
04:01<beginpy>ok ty!
04:01<alvin>chamuco: And I second the notion about unetbootin - it doesn't work
04:02<chamuco>alvin gotcha, with these newer "hybrid" iso's a dd command is all you need
04:02<chamuco>its so weird that you see alot of people talk about unetbootin abut personally i have had the worst of luck with it
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04:05<beginpy>ok done, i go to try it again :D
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04:08<chamuco>beginpy let me know what happens
04:09<devil>chamuco: and the best thing is: noone needs it :)
04:10<chamuco>devil lol especially when it doesn't work
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04:10<chamuco>devil by any chance do you know what chamuco means?
04:10<DusXMT>They should update their page and remove Debian from it (unetbootin), as they calim it works for it
04:10<devil>nope, sorry, it's your nick ;)
04:11<beginpy>chamuco the system showed this error: Operating system loaded error :S, just before select language or keyboard setup
04:11<chamuco>lol its the spanish word for devil
04:11<devil>DusXMT: they should grab their stuff and move to Mars
04:11<das>since when doesn't unetbootin work ? I used it last year with unetboot stable, no problems
04:11<devil>chamuco: you devil you
04:11<chamuco>thats almost possible actually
04:12<devil>das: there is reported cases where it did work
04:12<beginpy>what?
04:12<das>but in general it doesn't anymore ?
04:12<chamuco>das I haven't had any good luck with it
04:12<devil>das: over the years I had a lot more reported failure than success
04:13<chamuco>beginpy sorry, my add kicked in
04:13<das>devil: noted, thanks for the heads up
04:13<beginpy>chamuco ok :D
04:13<chamuco>beginpy what was the exact dd command you used?
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04:14<beginpy>this command
04:14<beginpy>dd if=/home/jonathan/Descargas/debian-7.8.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdc1 bs=4096
04:14<chamuco>awe ok theres the problem
04:14<beginpy>chamuco what problem?
04:14<chamuco>use of=/dev/sdc instead of /dev/sdc1
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04:15<beginpy>ahh ok
04:15<chamuco>please retry and let me know
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04:15<beginpy>ok in process
04:16<beginpy>chamuco it's done, the output is: 165120+0 records in
04:16<beginpy>165120+0 records out
04:16<beginpy>676331520 bytes (676 MB) copied, 19.0428 s, 35.5 MB/s
04:16<chamuco>ok good, try booting
04:16<beginpy>ok i go to try it again :D
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05:25<beginpy>hello! can somebody help me with a problem during installation of debian?
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05:44<beginpy>hello i need help
05:44<ixi>!ask
05:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:56<beginpy>I have a problem with instalation of Debian; I'm running Debian version Wheezy. When I try to do install I get the following output "you need rt2860.bin for wireless device". I expected it to do continue with installation of Debian Wheezy.
05:58<beginpy>ixi
05:58<ompaul>beginpy: A) which installation media are you using, and B) I'm almost going to guess you have a laptop. Am I right? please answer both questions.
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06:00<beginpy>i'm using USB and i have a normal PC not laptop, the problem is that my wi-fi card is some old, so debian dont recognize my wi-fi card as default
06:00<beginpy>(sorry for my english but is not my native language)
06:01<nkuttler>!tell beginpy about installer firmware
06:01<nkuttler>beginpy: sounds like you need firmware-ralink
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06:01<ompaul>beginpy: you would make your life easier if you connected via ethernet
06:02<ompaul>beginpy: please read what the bot sent you
06:02<nkuttler>but yeah, get a cable. much more pleasant
06:03<beginpy>yes but during installation it need rt2860 from a external device, so i downloaded and put it in other usb, so when i'm installing and the installer need this firmware i put usb and the installer dont read my external device, so i cant configure my wi-fi
06:04<beginpy>the problem is that i cant take my pc to the dining room
06:04<ompaul>you could for the hour
06:04<ompaul>that it takes to install
06:04<nkuttler>beginpy: hm? what do you mean the installer doesn't read your device
06:04<ompaul>firmware
06:05<ompaul>that's all
06:05<nkuttler>you can put installer into the installer filesystem, can't you? that has to be readable
06:05<nkuttler>put firmware
06:05<ompaul>beginpy: in the end you do one of two things, you wire yourself to the broadband, or you follow the instruction that the bot sent you. The bot sent you a message.
06:06<ompaul>there is no middle ground
06:06<beginpy>i was mean that the installer dont search this firmware on the other usb, because i'm using 2 usb device: one for installation and other with the firmware (previosly downloaded from debian web page)
06:06<ompaul>beginpy: also note you didn't answer question A)
06:07<beginpy>ok i'm readin this information of dpkg bot
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06:15<ixi>beginpy http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso
06:16<ixi>use this installer, I think it contains the firmware you want
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07:17<Cil>Hello
07:17<Cil>Can someone take care of a noob with a broken server?
07:18<ompaul>depends on (A) what was built (B) how it was broken
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07:19<Cil>it's a old debian 5.0.5 server at online.fr which refuses to boot. I have access to the filesystem via the host's embed rescue system, I tried to follow tutorials to restore the grub, but the system still refuses to boot
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07:42<nkuttler>Cil: do you get an error during boot? lenny is obsolete anyway, and shouldn't be networked
07:43<Cil>i've checked messages, there do not seems to be any errors
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08:11<Guest4646>Hello, I'm new to debian and I have too use this packet https://packages.debian.org/de/squeeze/kpicosim . My university recommended to use debian and I have a virtual machine running it. I got root right with su and tried "apt-get install kpicosim". But apt did not find the package. Can you help me?
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08:12<musca>hello Guest4646
08:13<Guest4646>hello
08:13<bzed>Guest4646: as you can see on https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kpicosim that package was only shipped with Squeeze
08:13<Brigo>Guest4646, are you using squeeze?
08:14<nkuttler>,v kpicosim
08:14<judd>Package: kpicosim on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7-1
08:14<nkuttler>Guest4646: unfortunately squeeze is obsolete. what does that program do, can you use an alternative?
08:14<Guest4646>To be honest. I don't know. I installed "debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso".
08:14<bzed>Guest4646: and https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kpicosim tells you why it is not shipped with later releases
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08:15<bzed>Guest4646: in detail: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619733 - no kde 4 port available, kde3 was removed from debian
08:16<Guest4646>Ok so I shoud get squezze?
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08:16<musca>well, it's okay to run a vm with sueeze for this special purpose.
08:16<bzed>Guest4646: so if you are running debian in a vm, the probably easiest way is either to add squeeze to your sources.list and just install it, or to install squeeze
08:16<nkuttler>Guest4646: you could, if you really have to. but you shouldn't put that machine on a network
08:16<nkuttler>Guest4646: you will need to reinstall with the squeeze installer, and you should also enable the lts repo
08:16<nkuttler>!tell Guest4646 about lts
08:16<Guest4646>I will just use it for this software.
08:17<bzed>Guest4646: I'd first try modifying /etc/apt/sources.list - add the squeeze lines, apt-get update and just see what happens when you try to install it
08:17<bzed>Guest4646: either it will just work fine, or break something. in the first case you are fine, in the other just install a ful squeeze
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08:18<Guest4646>ok I will try that. Is there any documentation how I do this?
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08:19<nkuttler>!tell Guest4646 about squeeze sources.list
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08:19<Guest4646>ok thanks nkuttler.
08:20<nkuttler>Guest4646: personally not a fan of mixing releases, but i guess it's worth a shot..
08:21<Guest4646>thanks
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08:39<beginpy>hello somebody can help me with installation of debian wheezy? i cant do debian-installer recognize the firmware of my wi-fi card
08:40<mtn>beginpy: this might help: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/
08:42<beginpy>but i have already the firmware from official web page of my wi-fi card, the problem is i don't know how to do that the debian-installer recognize the file .tar.bz2
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08:42<beginpy>unziped from .rar
08:43<beginpy>unziped=decompressed
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08:45<devil>beginpy: no cable?
08:45<ABDOOL>ciao a tutti
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08:47<beginpy>i have a PC in my bedroom with wi-fi, and i want know how to solve this for learn more hehe
08:47<devil>never used d-i, so no idea
08:47<ixi>beginpy normally you put the firmware blob on usb, boot to installer, switch to different VT, create /lib/firmware/ directory, mount the storage wit the blob, and copy the blob to /lib/firmware
08:48<das>beginpy: have you untared it yet ?
08:48<ixi>or just use a god damn unofficial iso that solves all firmware problems
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08:51<beginpy>what is VT? where i need create /lib/firmware/? previously i used dd comand for copy .iso in my usb
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08:54<Guest4646>ok I installed kpicosim but how do I open it?
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08:54<nkuttler>Guest4646: try kpicosim?
08:54<theocrite>Hi folks. I'm trying to output my laptop audio to a bluetooth headset.
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08:55<theocrite>bt-devices -l shows me that my device is paired (as expected).
08:56<theocrite>But I can't output the audio to it. pavucontrol doesn't have a "bluetooth" option. And I don't see any option directly in mpv, mplayer2 or vlc.
08:56<theocrite>Any idea?
08:56<Guest4646>wow thanks it works ;)
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08:58<keisim>beginpy: i beleve VT = virtual terminal
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09:02<beginpy>this is all things what i did until now: firstly i used comand dd for put .iso in my usb device, secondly i downloaded the firmware from oficial web page of my wi-fi card, and now, the problem is that the debian-installer dont recognize the file (descompressed from .rar and i got .tar.bz2) so, what i need to do now?
09:02<das>untar the file
09:02<das>tar xf file.tar.bz2
09:02<beginpy>ok
09:03<beginpy>so now i get a directory with different files
09:03<beginpy>did i leave it?
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09:05<das>is there a README file ?
09:05<beginpy>README_STA
09:06<beginpy>ok i'm reading it
09:07<das>beginpy: .tar means archive and then it might be compressed (.gz, .xf, .bz2)
09:07<das>everytime, tar.xf should work
09:07<devil>beginpy: what is your wifi card?
09:07<das>except for .zip files, which use unzip
09:09<beginpy>devil my wi-fi card is ovislink evo-300PCI. i'm reading this README_STA and say this: Build Instructions: $tar -xvzf DPB_RT2860_Linux_STA_x.x.x.x.tgz
09:09<beginpy>devil the problem is that the DPB... file doesn't exist here :S
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09:10<devil>it is a RT2760 chipset
09:12<beginpy>devil what do you mean?
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09:12<beginpy>is rt2860
09:12<devil>beginpy: the chipset is the important part, not the make (ovislink)
09:13<devil>well, my spanish sucks, but I can read numbers
09:13<devil>but I gotta run anyways. best of luck
09:14<beginpy>sorry for my bad english, check out my screenshot http://oi60.tinypic.com/mhdbua.jpg
09:15<beginpy>devil ok thanks anyway :D
09:16<das>beginpy: for text please use pastebin
09:16<beginpy>ok
09:16<das>looks like you should just run 'make'
09:17<beginpy>das check the pastebin http://pastebin.com/Tq9kugCh
09:18<beginpy>but from debian-installer how can i run "make" file?
09:19<das>heh ? this doesn't look like a debian packet, there should be no need for the installer
09:19<das>just go where the Makefile is and run 'make'
09:19<grobda24>Hi, what is the Debian way of adding an extra library search path. I have a library in "/usr/local/lib/" that is not being found.
09:20<das>grobda24: learn about the linker, ld.so, ld.so.conf
09:20<das>for a quick fix use environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH
09:21<das>beginpy: although your README states that there are modifications to make to the Makefile prior to running make
09:22<beginpy>das the problem is that during installation of debian wheezy the debian-installer report me i need install a private firmware, and also say that i can use a external device for install it, so the second problem is the debian-installer don't recognize the original .rar, don't recognize the .tar.bz2 as result descompress .rar, and the README_STA say confuse instruccions
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09:23<cyanide>hey
09:23<cyanide>someone smack this: 198.13.122.167:43594
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09:23<beginpy>das because de DPB file doesn't exist
09:24<das>beginpy: what ? no.
09:25<das>this has nothing to do with the installer
09:25<grobda24>das, OK, thanks. I set that but my library is still not being found ... "zynaddsubfx: error while loading shared libraries: libntk.so.1: cannot ioen shared object file: No such file or directory"
09:25*grobda24 meant "cannot open ... "
09:26<beginpy>so what can i do?
09:26<grobda24>/usr/local/lib is already set in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf but I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH as well to /usr/local/lib
09:26<das>grobda24: you tried export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib ?
09:27<das>try running ldconfig
09:27<grobda24>das, yes "export" and I can echo it in the command prompt and see it is set.
09:28<grobda24>das, ah, forgot about ldconfig !
09:28<grobda24>das, yes, that was it :D
09:28<das>export should have worked without though
09:30<das>beginpy: see the Makefile ?
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09:37<beginpy>das yes i can see, but i dont understand how can it solve my problem during installation
09:39<das>open it and check the value of TARGET
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09:41<beginpy>das TARGET = LINUX
09:42<das>beginpy: what is the value of MODE ?
09:43<beginpy>is this RT28xx_MODE = STA
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09:43<beginpy>das is right?
09:43<das>the README says MODE = STA
09:44<beginpy>yes but, doesn't exist more MODE with equal symbol
09:45<das>then add it
09:45<beginpy>at the start of the document?
09:45<das>anywhere should be fine
09:45<beginpy>ok
09:45<beginpy>done
09:46<beginpy>and now das?
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09:47<das>what is the value of LINUX_SRC ?
09:47<das>beginpy: ^
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09:49<beginpy>wow, LINUX_SRC it have 25 results in the document with equal symbol
09:49<beginpy>das ^
09:50<das>please pastebin the Makefile
09:50<beginpy>ok
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09:51<beginpy>das catch it http://pastebin.com/VRKC9xF6
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09:52<das>beginpy: ls -l /lib/modules/
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09:56<beginpy>jonathan@linux-8fga:/run/media/jonathan/pen_old> ls -l /lib/modules/
09:56<beginpy>total 0
09:56<beginpy>drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 354 dic 30 17:45 3.16.7-7-desktop
09:56<das>beginpy: probably don't have linux-headers, just run apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
09:56<das>once this is done go to where the Makefile is and run make
09:56<beginpy>but my distro now is opensuse and i want install debian and have 2 great distros in my pc, so i haven't apt-get command in my current OS
09:57<das>lol dafuq are you doing in #debian :)
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09:58<das>beginpy: find out how to install the linux-headers for your distrib then jusst run make
09:58<beginpy>because i want install debian OS and i cant do it
09:59<beginpy>ok
09:59<beginpy>i'm looking hot to do
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10:05<Olxd>Anyone >?
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10:17<emilio>hello! Can someone help me configuring audio over hdmi
10:17<emilio>if I do aplay -D hw:1,7 audiocheck.net_R.wav, sound works
10:18<emilio>however I can't get it working in vlc nor xbmc
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10:21<Brigo>emilio, are you running pulseaudio?
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10:21<emilio>I think so, how can I check it?
10:22<emilio>pulseaudio is a daemon, im right?
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10:22<Brigo>emilio, right, try pgre -l pulseaudio
10:22<Brigo>pgrep*
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10:23<Brigo>it will show you the instances runnig.
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10:24<emilio>I have nothing
10:24<emilio>so, pulseaudio is not working
10:24<emilio>pgrep -l pulseaudio
10:24<emilio>gives me no output
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10:25<emilio>I also tried service pulseaudio status
10:25<emilio>[warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning).
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10:25<emilio>Previously, I added here vi /etc/pulse/default.pa.bak
10:26<emilio>this load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:1,7
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10:26<Brigo>emilio, pulseaudio should be launched with you graphic user session, are you using a desktop environment?
10:27<emilio>yes, Im using kde
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10:27<Brigo>then it should be launched by kde.
10:27<Brigo>or kdm
10:27<Brigo>you can try to launch it from a console
10:28<emilio>I just tried
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10:28<emilio>E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup without any loaded modules, refusing to work.
10:28<emilio>could it be related to the line I added
10:28<Brigo>i think pavucontrol can control the volumen setting that is what you need
10:28<Brigo>emilio, it could be, not sure about sound modules :/
10:29<emilio>Im going to delete it
10:29<Brigo>emilio, but i think the problem is not too much modules but the lack of some of them
10:30<Brigo>there are some package's pulseaudio modules related
10:30<emilio>pavucontrol give me error connecting to pulseaudio
10:30<emilio>kde should start it at login?
10:31<Brigo>emilio, yes, you need pulseaudio running first and for so you need the modules first
10:31<emilio>start pulseaudio
10:31<Brigo>emilio, yes, i think so.
10:31<emilio>ok, if I try to start it manually
10:31<emilio>E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup without any loaded modules, refusing to work.
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10:31<Brigo>i am using mate and it starts pulseaudio.
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10:31<emilio>Im going to try logout and login in kde
10:31<Brigo>emilio, yes, as i said you need the modules, you can find them in packages
10:32<Brigo>i do not know if you already installed them
10:33<emilio>I dindt install anything related to sound manually, the default installer get me sound, so I thought i have all I need
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10:33<emilio>im going to try restart kde
10:33<emilio>I will come back in few minits
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10:33<Brigo>emilio, did you installed pulseaudio-module-x11 package?
10:33<Brigo> :(
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10:36<emilio>no luck, pulseaudio is not running
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10:37<emilio>Ill check logs
10:37<Brigo>emilio, why has you supose restarting kde will start pulseaudio just this time? :)
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10:38<emilio>Because I edited /etc/pulse/default.pa without actually knowing what i was doing
10:38<Brigo>XD
10:38<emilio>so, to start from a clean point
10:38<Brigo>ok
10:38<emilio>now
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10:39<Brigo>emilio, did you installed pulseaudio-module-x11 package?
10:39<emilio>yes, I have it installed
10:40<Brigo>emilio, then check the logs, i do not know why pulseaudio is not running.
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10:41<Brigo>I has never used kde. But i think it is not the probles as long as nobody complain of before
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10:43<emilio>Im googling for E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.
10:43<emilio>I think my problem is pulseaudio failing to start
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10:45<Brigo>emilio, it could be, has you checked the logs?
10:45<Brigo>are you using wheezy or jessie?
10:46<emilio>wheezy?
10:46<emilio>wheezy
10:46<emilio>the ? was a typo
10:46<Brigo>ok
10:46<emilio>here cat /var/log/messages | grep pulse
10:46<Brigo>then check /var/log/syslog
10:47<ompaul>start alsamixer check it for muted pcm
10:47<Brigo>!paste
10:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
10:47<ompaul>most audio problems I've solved with that
10:47<emilio>now i have lot of pulseaudio errors in /var/log/messages
10:47<emilio>ill check /var/log/syslog too
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10:48<emilio>I have this main.c: Daemon startup without any loaded modules, refusing to work
10:49<emilio>I think this is what Bringo said before, i dont have any loaded module
10:49<Brigo>why everybody call me bringo? i am brigo :D
10:50<emilio>sorry, Brigo
10:50<Brigo>np, just wondering :)
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10:52<Brigo>emilio, try this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1737792
10:53<Brigo>emilio, did you have this file ? .config/pulse/default.pa
10:54<Brigo>~/.config/pulse/default.pa
10:54<emilio>no
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10:55<Brigo>emilio, there is another post that can help you: http://askubuntu.com/questions/225444/how-to-make-pulseaudio-work-again
10:55<emilio>thanks
10:55<emilio>Im trying removinc .pulse
10:55<Brigo>and sorry, i must go. :)
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10:55<emilio>as the first post says... and see what happens
10:55<Brigo>emilio, good luck :)
10:56<emilio>thanks
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10:59<emilio>I found that this file was missing /etc/pulse/default.pa
10:59<emilio>fortunately I made a backup
10:59<emilio>surely I deleted it when I was editing it....
10:59<blawiz>anyone know if theres an easy option for installing a newer version of zathura on deb stable?
11:00<emilio>now pgrep says me 6816 pulseaudio
11:00<emilio>so pulseaudio is running
11:00<emilio>:)
11:00<emilio>Ill try pavucontrol
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11:05<emilio>I have vlc running
11:05<emilio>In audio devices
11:05<emilio>I have 2
11:06<emilio>one for laptop speakers
11:06<emilio>and other for hdmi
11:06<emilio>in pavucontrol, output devices tab
11:06<emilio>I also have 2 sound cards
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11:07<emilio>if in vlc I check first, in pavucontrol, the first soundbar moves. The same with the other
11:07<emilio>In hdmi port I have only one option
11:07<emilio>DisplayPort 4
11:07<blawiz>you talk a lot
11:08<emilio>should this DisplayPort be 7, as aplay -D hw:1,7 audiocheck.net_R.wav
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11:16<emilio>Now is working !!
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11:18<emilio>thanks, Brigo and ompaul
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11:18<lord_rob>Hi! I'm using smartd daemon and it's displaying that hard disk failure is imminent, because "Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], unable to open device"
11:19<lord_rob>I don't see /dev/sdc
11:19<lord_rob>(cfdisk /dev/sdc)
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11:26<lord_rob>(ok found the problem)
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11:55<asdfadfs>can anyone post a link to a live image i should use for win 7 64?
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11:58<theocrite>kinou: /winl
11:58<theocrite>woops
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11:59<mtn>!windows
11:59<dpkg>"PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
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12:04<petn-randall>mtn: Don't troll the irssi users. :)
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12:24<chamuco>hi beginpy
12:25<beginpy>hi dude, i'm here and the problem persist :D jajaja i think it's impossible install debian in my PC
12:25<beginpy>chamuco ^
12:27<chamuco>weird, debian is usually good with older hardware
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12:28<patrick>hi
12:28<chamuco>where you getting the same error?
12:28<chamuco>hi patrick
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12:29<patrick>i m using elementary os and i will need some help thanks
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12:29<chamuco>patrick i can try to help, whats your issue?
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12:40<beginpy>chamuco the problem is i can't built the makefile of the wi-fi firmware package because in OpenSUSE i can't install linux-headers because don't exist in OpenSUSE
12:41<beginpy>i think
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12:42<chamuco>what was the error when trying to boot debian?
12:42<chamuco>i wish i could help with opensuse but i have never worked with it
12:44<beginpy>during the process of installation the debian-installer ask me for firmware on external device, but dont recognize the .tar.bz2 file, so when i descompress this .tar it has a makefile with a README.txt, so i was read this README and say: you need built a makefile
12:44<das>chamuco: seems like on OpenSuse the linux-header was names kernel-header but was merged with kernel-source now ... anyways this is not a debian issue, please check with the Suse guys
12:45<das>beginpy: ^
12:45<das>chamuco: wrong highlight, sorry
12:45<beginpy>ty das ^
12:45<chamuco>no problem das
12:46<das>beginpy: I doubt you'll be able to build the package during the install, what you should do is plug an ethernet cable, do the full Debian install, then install dev packages (binutils, gcc, gnu make, linux-headers and whatnot), then build the wireless driver/firmware
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12:48<beginpy>das thanks, so i will try with a complete debian installer and an thernet cable
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12:49<beginpy>chamuco do you know if exist some complete debian installer with xfce?
12:49<das>beginpy: you mentioned you had an OpenSuse already running this laptop ? why need to install debian then ?
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12:51<das>beginpy: go to debian.org, an image already exists
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12:52<beginpy>because in OpenSUSE the Apache2 server dont work good with .htaccess, don't read the rules of rewrite or anyone directive, so my intention is developing under debian and use opensuse as normal OS
12:52<das>whaaa
12:52<das>you sure of this ?
12:53<beginpy>of course, previously i was ask for some solution in 4 forums and 2 groups on facebook and anybody can give me a solution for this problem
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12:54<beginpy>i was check out in docs and tutorials without luck
12:55<das>beginpy: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/403218-Apache2-htaccess-how-to-enable-it ?
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13:09<beginpy>das THANKS!!
13:09<beginpy>i can solve this problem
13:09<beginpy>but anyway
13:09<beginpy>now i want install debian :P
13:09<das>beginpy: you lost a full day, maybe more
13:09<das>it took me litterally 15 secs
13:10<das>you're gonna NEED to learn to google or you're gonna get NOWHERE
13:10<beginpy>the problem is my limited level of english
13:10<das>so take a step back, relax, and stop running heads down in problems you face
13:10<beginpy>ty das really ty
13:11<das>np
13:11<beginpy>now i go to install debian with a thernet cable
13:11<das>sic
13:11<beginpy>sick? hahahahaha
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13:38<Darby_Crash>hi to all
13:39<sney>hi
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13:41<Darby_Crash>i've a issue with my ralink 3290
13:41<mtn>!ask
13:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:42<Darby_Crash>i've installed this driver
13:42<skowronek>skowronek
13:42<Darby_Crash>https://github.com/pkeeper/rt3290sta
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13:43<evgeniy>people pls help me install driver rlt8723be
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13:44<Darby_Crash>all work fine
13:45<tesseract>hello dudes and dudettes.
13:45<Darby_Crash>but i have random disconnections
13:45<tesseract>question: I have a file in a folder on a sd card.. Cant seem to remove it one way or the other..
13:46<tesseract>looks corupted..
13:46<tesseract>ls -l gives me: -????????? ? ? ? ? ? Golden S.un.
13:47<tesseract>When i want to remove the thing it tells me that the file doesn't exist.
13:47<tesseract>But trust me..
13:47<tesseract>its there.
13:47<tesseract>;)
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13:47<tesseract>Anyone an idea?
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13:47<Darby_Crash>tesseract have you tried with sudo rm filename?
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13:47<tesseract>yes
13:47<tesseract>and recursive..
13:47<tesseract>and forcefull..
13:48<sney>tesseract, run a fsck on the sd card, might be some file system corruption.
13:48<tesseract>Did that..
13:48<tesseract>Nothing..
13:48<sney>!enter
13:48<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
13:48<tesseract>I'm starting to think it's something of a locale thing?
13:48<valdyn>tesseract: the filename is clearly visible, so no
13:49<tesseract>hmz..
13:49<tesseract>installed virtualbox for this so i could give windows a try at this.. but guessing windows runs in to the same problem.
13:50<valdyn>tesseract: remove the folder?
13:50<tesseract>gives me the same error.
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13:51<sney>sd cards do break after a while. could just be that
13:51<tesseract>Might be..
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13:51<tesseract>But can create files and folders on it.
13:52<tesseract>Do everything but remove that stupid file..
13:52<valdyn>tesseract: maybe the easiest solution is mkfs
13:52<sney>copy everything you need off it, zero the whole thing, then format again
13:52<Darby_Crash>evgeniy take a look here: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
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13:52<tesseract>yes...
13:52<tesseract>But then i still wont know where this came from.
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13:53<tesseract>Been trying to remove it for two days.. Maybe just erasing the whole thing is the best idea.
13:55<casper366>hi. is it possible to configure /etc/interfaces in a way that it accepts dhcp, but if there is none it has a static ip. the idea is that i connect my laptop to another one directly via ethernet and can ssh into it, because i know its ip
13:56<Darby_Crash>my wireless card have frequent disconnections
13:56<jhutchins>tesseract: If it were a problem with the filename having non-printing charcters I don't think you'd have the question marks.
13:56<Darby_Crash>i use ralink 3290sta
13:57<jhutchins>tesseract: You might be able to use a file browser or something like mc to remove it, but yeah, formatting would work.
13:58<tesseract>I also tried mv to change the filename but this also gives the same error.
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14:00<tesseract>thunar, mc and that ever gparted had to over.. None of them.. It got some very exotic privileges along the way...
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14:02<tesseract>offer btw.
14:03<sney>Darby_Crash, if you have a consistent dropping issue no matter what driver you use, then it is likely a hardware problem. realtek is junk sometimes
14:04<sney>Darby_Crash, though check modinfo for the driver(s) as there might be a powersave function you can disable when you load the driver. sometimes wifi drivers are really stupid about disabling an "inactive" nic to save power
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14:05<xauth>tesseract: what is the error?
14:06<tesseract>ls -l ls: cannot access Golden S.un.: No such file or directory total 0 -????????? ? ? ? ? ? Golden S.un.
14:07<tesseract>thats pretty much it.. But solved by formating.
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14:20<lzz>tesseract: just for curiosity...is file system vfat (fat32 etc)
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14:20<tesseract>yes!
14:21<tesseract>guessing thats not a guess?
14:21<tesseract>fat16
14:22<valdyn>tesseract: its not fat16
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14:22<tesseract>Yes it is.
14:22<tesseract>Device i'm using it in only read fat16.
14:23<sney>camera?
14:23<tesseract>ex flash
14:23<tesseract>ez
14:26<sney>so you're writing over it fairly often? that wears out sd cards faster than most things
14:27<tesseract>found out its the ez flash that does some weird things on the memory. It corrupts files in this way. Thought i might have powerd off my GB micro when it was loading of saving.. But at first boot of the new sd it corrupted all my handmade save files. The formated it again and tested it with an empty .sav file did the same thing.
14:27<sney>rule 1 of using sd cards as data storage: keep spares
14:28<tesseract>will try other micro sd and see if its the card itself.
14:28<lzz>some time ago i also had a stubborn corrupted file on fat filesystem...(it was efi boot partition on hard disk...my suspect that windows messed something up when fixing things) ..i ended formating partition and reinstalling grub
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14:30<tesseract>lzz thats what i did now.. But thats not a solution. Couldn't find lots of info on this thing online.. But hey how often do you get this sort of thing.
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14:30<tesseract>sney, same thing on brand new card.
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14:31*sney shrug
14:31<lzz>on me it was first time....
14:31<sney>maybe it's the ez flash then. and vfat has 0 error correction/recovery features anyway
14:32<tesseract>Starting to think my ez flash card is causing this.. I will flash its mem and reinstall everythng.. Guess i have to play zelda all over again. ;)
14:32<tesseract>indeed sney.
14:34<lzz>i also tried mkfs.vfat before formatting mine ...for some reason mkfs.vfat did not work
14:36<sney>it'd be really great if someone could invent an OS-universal, basic filesystem that had better error recovery and wasn't based on 1977 technology
14:36<tesseract>lol
14:37<tesseract>But then we would have never met. ;)
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14:43<lzz>correction fsck.vfat instead of mkfs
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15:02<Darby_Crash>thanks snay
15:02<Darby_Crash>*sney
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16:06<haziz>What do the "doc" packages contain? I realize it is documentation but how do I access it. Info pages? More extensive man pages? e.g. guile and guile-doc (did not check if there was one), how do I open and peruse the guile documentation (other than man guile).
16:07<ryouma>haziz: i think it might depend
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17:05<gilson>help me pls
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17:06<gilson>help me pls
17:06<Brigo>gilson, if you wish our help, explain your problem first.
17:07<gilson>thanks
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17:08*xerox who have un user root good for scan ,,, pev pls
17:09<gilson>I installed debian today and do not know how to install repositories and the area of work gnome. in fact need to learn everything. could help me?
17:09<gilson>need help step by step. am noob.
17:10<gilson>bringo?
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17:10<gilson>:(
17:11<Brigo>gilson, you have fine debian documentation in http://www.debian.org/doc/
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17:12<gilson>omg
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17:16<gilson>algum brasileiro aqui???
17:17<oldlaptop>dpkg: pt
17:17<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
17:17<oldlaptop>Probably pretty sparse compared to this channel, unfortunately
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18:38<polyphagia>hi john
18:38<john>hi
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18:39<john>hey i have a problem with elementary os freya
18:39<john>i cant get ethernet or wireless i herd its an ubuntu bug
18:39<john>any ideas?
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18:39<john>my network manager is working properly i think
18:39<john>even the icon for interenet isnt there
18:39<john>(or indicator)
18:40<Brigo>!elementary
18:40<dpkg>elementary OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://elementaryos.org/ #elementary on irc.freenode.net.
18:40<john>okay.....
18:40<john>thankx anyway
18:41<Brigo>john, np
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19:36<twb>$boss makes me give both kdeedu and gnome-games packages to inmates. They respectively want BOTH yelp and khelpcenter4 to read their docbook manuals. Is it possible to trick the KDE apps into using yelp instead, or vice-versa (gnome & khelpcenter4) ?
19:43<abrotman>twb: do they actually work with yelp?
19:43<SynrGy>docbook is docbook ... yelp claims to read docbook ...
19:44<SynrGy>why wouldn't it work?
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19:45<twb>abrotman: I don't know
19:45<twb>the kde stuff lands in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/<locale>/<package>/
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19:46<twb>yelp expects stuff in /usr/share/help or (older) /usr/share/gnome/help
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19:57<SynrGy>twb: hmm ... https://github.com/shumski/KUSC/blob/master/kdebase-runtime-unstable/khelpcenter-gnome-support.patch
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19:58<twb>Bleh, compiling stuff moves it into the ICBF territory
19:58<SynrGy>yeah
19:59<SynrGy>but it's interesting to see some like-minded people out there
19:59<twb>snicker
19:59<twb>*My* solution was "inmates do not deserve documentation; they can bloody well work out how to play MINESWEEPER without it"
19:59<SynrGy>heh
19:59<twb>But I was overruled
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20:00<twb>Now I have 1MB of path-includes to cherry-pick only the "good" docs and leave out all the low-level "bad" docs :-///
20:00<SynrGy>:p
20:00<SynrGy>fun times
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20:21<twb>I wonder what happens if I just build the SOE without khelpcenter4 -- maybe KDE is smart enough to automatically fall back on yelp
20:22<twb>(It's a mostly XFCE desktop, so I'd prefer yelp over khelpcenter4)
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20:23<elitest>hey all. I'm trying to learn packaging, and I'm running into a dpkg-source error,"gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
20:23<elitest>"
20:24<sney>elitest: packaging help is in #debian-mentors
20:24<elitest>awesome thanks
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20:27<twb>Due to #677602 I want to reinstall all packages debootstrap --variant=minbase already installed, but running dpkg -i on /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb fails because of cyclic dependencies.
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20:27<twb>Is there a better approach than just running dpkg -i on each on in turn?
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20:30<twb>I thought of running apt-get --reinstall install, but I couldn't think of an elegant way to get the package list -- dpkg --get-selections| sed s/install$// seemed so terrible
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20:30<sney>do you have aptitude installed?
20:30<twb>nope
20:31<twb>I'd like to address it before installing anything beyond minimal
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20:41<theocrite>twb: what's wrong with dpkg --get-selection?
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20:41<theocrite>s*
20:43<twb>theocrite: it has crap after the package names
20:43<twb>All I see is "install", but I don't know if sometimes something else gets added
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20:53<twb>It only takes eight seconds to run dpkg -i on all the .debs one-at-a-time, so I'll just stop angsting about it
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20:59<astings>michael jackson
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21:07<Kerry-Ann21> Free Porn for Life!. Click Here!
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21:09<astings>YMCA
21:09<astings>YMCA
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21:10<abrotman>astings: please play elsewhere
21:10<gilson>i need help with debian
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21:12<dvs>finally
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21:14<kalin00b>im going to install debian on my 2nd harddrive alongside kali last time i installed fedora alongside and i had to fix grub as it broke, whats the way to go about this installation without breaking anything
21:15<lostson>read the manual and don't break anything
21:15<kalin00b>HELPFUL THANKS
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21:18<dvs>kalin00b: Install Debian's grub on Debian's /boot partition and reconfigure kali's grub to boot Debian
21:19<kalin00b>kk
21:19<kalin00b>thats easy
21:19*dvs 's brain hurs
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21:19<dvs>hurts
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21:29<kalin00b>well that was a waste of time
21:29<kalin00b>some of my network hardware requires "non free firmware"
21:29<kalin00b>so i wont be able to connect to interwebs
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21:29<kalin00b>not a single distro has had that problem
21:29<kalin00b>not one
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21:30<twb>I'm impressed you did a full install in twenty minutes
21:30<kalin00b>i didnt
21:30<kalin00b>i got to detecting network hardware and it told me that
21:30<Texou>kalin00b: and? what's the problem?
21:30<kalin00b>there will be no way to install the firmware if i cant connect to interwebs to get it
21:31<Texou>ah
21:31<Texou>kalin00b: you can load it on an external device
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21:31<dvs>!tell kalin00b about firmware iso
21:32<kalin00b>thank you
21:33<Texou>moreover, you can begin with installing on a full DVD
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21:33<Texou>so that you install firmware later
21:34<dvs>Texou: a full DVD would not make a difference in this case.
21:34<Texou>that's right he'll need to install the firmware someday
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22:41<alvin>How do I go about improving the appearance of font in Debian? I have recently migrated from Ubuntu and was suprised at the difference in the quality of font rendering. Any suggestions would be apprechiated.
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23:00<lostson>alvin: try running dpkg-reconfure fontconfig-config and select the options you would like to use
23:00<lostson>i use autohinter automatic and no
23:01<lostson>makes the fonts look much better in my opinion
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23:03<lostson>you can also setup a local.conf in /etc/fonts or set some font settings in a Xresources file in your home dir as well
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23:11<alvin>lostson: thanks mate
23:12<alvin>lostson: There seems to be a lot of discussion on the topic but little in the way of tutorials. Not recent ones at least.
23:12<alvin>lostson: I'm doing this on a barebones i3 wm install
23:12<alvin>lostson: a bit tricky but I'll get my head around it eventually
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23:13<lostson>alvin: my local.conf looks like this http://paste.debian.net/144633/
23:14<lostson>that file resides in /etc/fonts/
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23:15<lostson>when I use ie or awesome I have that file in place and I also use a .Xresources in my home dir that looks like this http://paste.debian.net/144634/
23:15<lostson>i3 that should of said
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23:17<dissent>That tyrannical and spineless motherfucker abrotman kicked me from the freenode channel for asking question straight away without giving any explanation whatsoever. And it seems like I am not the only one pissed with that jerk http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=108597. If the Debian community ignores and does not muzzle this dog. It will see worst days soon. Mark my words.
23:17<dissent>bloody spineless bitch
23:17<dissent>a stain in the name of the open source world
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23:18<dissent>haha keep silencing me
23:18<PovAddict>nobody silenced you here
23:19<dissent>that motherfucker's hand must be itching now. ask him for the log before the +q.
23:19<dissent>jerk
23:19<PovAddict>language
23:19<dissent>i would slap and break his neck if i found him someday
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23:22<keep>gg
23:22<keep>nnnnnn
23:22<keep>n,
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23:23<twb>OK is there a way to say this with dpkg --path-* options? exclude /usr/share/doc, but include /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en, but exclude /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/network
23:23<twb>I don't think so because I think it applies all the excludes, then all the includes
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23:36<alvin>anyone play with i3 wm?
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23:40<zack_>Hi im having a problem with tor. It will not install. I will give more detail in a few.
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