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01:28<xy124>Hey I want to write a wrapper script for find to short cut $ find . -iname .... . But when executing find from within a bash script the output is not printed to the stdout. See . How can I work around?
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01:31<jm_>the problem is in how you pass parameters to find not in stdout
01:31<jm_>instead of "'*$1*'" use "$@"
01:31<jm_>or "$1" if you want to limit it to just one
01:38<xy124>thank you jm_ now find . -iname "*$1*" is working perfectly fine for me.
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01:39<jm_>no problem
01:40<xy124>What is the difference between $@ and $1 ?
01:40<SamB_laptop>$1 is just one parameter?
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01:56<xy124>Thanks again jm_ :)
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01:58<jm_>no problem
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04:39<k-man>i need a feature of collectd 5.4 (which is in jessie) but I'm on wheezy at the moment
04:39<k-man>that are my options? (its not in backports)
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05:04<Stephany21> Never Pay for Porn ever again. Click Here!
05:04*mongrol blinks
05:05<k-man>err.. what?
05:05<mongrol>do people ever pay for anything these days
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05:06<billythekid>best things in life are for free :|
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05:30<yang>I notice a firmware warning for the custom kernel - W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8107e-2.fw for module r8169 , tried to look for solutions which suggest installing "linux-firmware-nonfree" or "firmware-realtek" packages which don't exist in jessie anymore - here is a wider explanation of the issue ? How can i solve it ?
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05:45<jm_>yang: looks like firmware packages in debian need updating, check BTS and you can always grab it manually from
05:47<yang>well currently it doesnt "affect" the machine behaviour, but yeah I guess I will wait until they release "linux-firmware-nonfree" or "firmware-realtek" again...
05:48<jm_>might make sense to submit a bug
05:48<yang>ok, I will
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05:52<yang>jm_: against which "package" should I write this report, because "linux-firmware-nonfree" doesnt exist anymore... "reportbug" asks for package name
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05:57<jm_>yang: look for the one with similar file names, firmware-realtek according to my very quick look
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06:43<johnny_3>I'm running debian wheezy amd64
06:43<johnny_3>and I'm virtualizing debian wheezy i686 on kvm
06:43<johnny_3>but the audio does not work on the guest
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06:43<berto>johnny_3: does the guest detect the sound card?
06:44<johnny_3>I created the vm from virtual-manager and I'm starting it from ot
06:44<johnny_3>I think so
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06:44<berto>johnny_3: check that, you can also try setting QEMU_AUDIO_DRV
06:45<johnny_3>I don't know how to do that
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06:45<johnny_3>I only know that I'm also running whonix, and the audio works on it
06:46<berto>or rather
06:46<berto>forget that link
06:46<berto>qemu-system-x86_64 -audio-help
06:46<berto>run that
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06:46<johnny_3>on host or guest?
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06:47<johnny_3>anyway on guest
06:47<berto>that's on host
06:47<berto>QEMU_AUDIO_DRV selects the qemu audio driver
06:47<berto>you can use 'pa' for pulseaudio
06:47<johnny_3>lspci | grep Audio gives:
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06:47<xreal>Adding a frontend to my installation string gives an error. How can I do it the correct way? APTINSTALL="DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get --force-yes -y --no-install-recommends install"; $APTINSTALL console-setup
06:48<johnny_3>00:04.0 Audio device: Intel ...... (iCH6 Family) .....
06:48<jm_>xreal: what error?
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06:48<xreal>jm_: I don't have it here anymore, it doesn't like "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive"
06:48<berto>johnny_3: that should work in debian wheezy
06:48<jm_>xreal: try eavl $APTINSTALL console-setup
06:48<berto>but you can change the sound card, see qemu-system-x86_64 -soundhw help
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06:49<johnny_3>bash: qemu-system-x86_64: command not found
06:49<berto>johnny_3: what version of qemu are you using?
06:49<johnny_3>how can I check that?
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06:50<johnny_3>anyway I installed everything from wheezy repos
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06:50<xreal>jm_: "eval" does it. The bug was: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive: command not found
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06:51<jm_>xreal: right, thought so
06:51<xreal>jm_: so "eval" is the solution?
06:51<jm_>xreal: yes
06:51<xreal>jm_: thx
06:51<berto>johnny_3: ah, wheezy
06:51<jm_>xreal: no problem
06:51<johnny_3>qemu-kvm 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u6
06:52<johnny_3>virt-manager 0.9.1-4
06:52<berto>then use kvm instead of qemu-system-x86_64
06:52<xreal>After setting "update-locale LANG=de_DE.UTF.8" how can I make bash "reload" this without rebooting?
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06:54<johnny_3>berto kvm -audio-help prints some stuff, but I don't know what to do with that...
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06:55<berto>johnny_3: ok, type 'export QEMU_AUDIO_DRV=pa' and then launch the vm again, let's see if it works now
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06:57<johnny_3>ok it's booting
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06:57<johnny_3>audio does not work...
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06:58<jm_>xreal: set your locale variables to the new value, locale prints current settings
06:58<berto>johnny_3: I actually have a wheezy image around here, let me try
06:59<johnny_3>cool, thank you
06:59<xreal>jm_: The thing is: when setting "update-locale LANG=de_DE.UTF.8" the language gets changed on TTY when rebooting and on SSH when disconnecting and reconnecting.
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07:00<jm_>xreal: yes, so?
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07:00<xreal>jm_: I don't want to reconnect/reboot :D
07:00<xreal>jm_: isn't there something like "bash --reload" :)
07:00<jm_>xreal: like I said, set the locale variables to new values and you won't have to
07:00<xreal>jm_: you mean "export LANG=..." ?
07:01<jm_>xreal: that's one of them, yes
07:01<xreal>jm_: ahhh, found it!
07:01<xreal>jm_: . /etc/default/locale; bash
07:02<jm_>xreal: that doesn't export variables AFAIK so tools tarted from this shell won't see it
07:02<xreal>jm_: here it worked :)
07:03<berto>johnny_3: it works here, did you try checking the mixer level? using alsamixer or something like that on the guest
07:03<jm_>(if they were exported before you will be fine)
07:03<xreal>jm_: perhaps I did that :) Thanks for help again.
07:04<johnny_3>berto, volume on alsamixer is maximum
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07:04<johnny_3>pulseaudio is installed
07:04<jm_>xreal: no problem
07:04<berto>johnny_3: ok, then I don't know, try emulating a different soundcard
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07:05<berto>johnny_3: virt-manager should allow you to do that
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07:06<johnny_3>I've tried with ich6 and ac97
07:06<johnny_3>both does not work
07:06<johnny_3>but both work on whonix...
07:07<johnny_3>I don't know it it's a guest problem, but I tried to boot a lubuntu liveCD on the machine where wheezy is emulated and the audio still does not work
07:07<jm_>try stopping all processes using sound card on the host and then try again
07:07<johnny_3>maybe you can pass me your config file, so I import it and see if it works
07:08<berto>actually I can see qemu on the pulseaudio panel on the host when I launch it
07:08<johnny_3>virsh -c qemu:///system edit 'machine_name'
07:08<johnny_3>I don't have a pulseaudio panel...
07:09<jm_>yeah using something like PA for mixing might also help
07:09<berto>you don't use pulseaudio on the host?
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07:09<johnny_3>it's installed, but I don't see any panel...
07:09<berto>if you use gnome, it's the sound panel
07:09<johnny_3>I use xmonad on the host :D
07:09<berto>Settings -> Sound -> Applications
07:10<johnny_3>my only panel is xmobar
07:10<berto>try with the alsa driver instead
07:10<berto>export QEMU_AUDIO_DRV=alsa
07:10<berto>export QEMU_AUDIO_DRV=sdl
07:10<xreal>I've setup grub2 in Debian to boot from my raid5. Works like a charm, even degraded. But when plugging in a new HDD to port 0, it can't boot since grub hasn't been found. Is this a problem of BIOS or grub?
07:10<johnny_3>and reboot machine?
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07:12<berto>johnny_3: launch the vm from the same shell from which you run the export command
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07:13<johnny_3>you should have told me before...
07:13<johnny_3>berto, but I launch the vm from virt-manager
07:13<berto>johnny_3: aah ok, launch virt-manager from the shell then
07:13<johnny_3>shall I also try with pa again?
07:14<berto>johnny_3: start with alsa
07:15<johnny_3>does not work with alsa
07:16<johnny_3>does not work with pa
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07:17<berto>then I don't know, sorry
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07:17<berto>I've been using audio in qemu for years without problems
07:17<johnny_3>could you pass me your config file of the vm?
07:18<johnny_3>maybe if I use yours insthead of mine audio works...
07:18<johnny_3>(does not work with sdl either)
07:19<johnny_3>berto you just have to launch
07:19<johnny_3>virsh -c qemu:///system edit 'vm_name'
07:19<johnny_3>and pass me the file :D
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07:19<johnny_3>replave 'vm_name' with the vm name
07:20<berto>johnny_3: I don't use virt-manager
07:20<berto>qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -net nic,model=virtio -net user -drive if=virtio,file=wheezy.img -soundhw hda
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07:21<berto>it works with that
07:22<berto>I launch the vm like that from the command line
07:22<johnny_3>I think virsh still works withoud virt-manager
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07:25<t4nk581>I'm not sure if I came to the right place, but what am I supposed to do when installing mysql-common thought apt-get, and it tells me it wants to install a new configuration file (my.cnf). I select to show the differences to copy those, and then it only says "(END)" if i press enter, or any other key combination
07:25<t4nk581>I'm kind of locked in this situation, I can ctrl+z, to suspend, and fg to resume into the (END) message, but it feels like I'm missing some obvious key-command I should be using here
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07:29<jm_>how about q to quit the pager?
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07:30<t4nk581>that worked, thank you :D
07:31<jm_>no problem
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07:49<hogs-blue>Good Afternoon, Just install debian today, having problems connecting to windowsXP printer over network. How do i do it ?
07:50<jm_>smb printer?
07:50<hogs-blue>I have samba installed but I do not know how to
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07:51<abrotman>hogs-blue: how is the printer shared from Windows? Is it a network share? or is the printer a stand-alone/connected via wifi/ethernet?
07:51<hogs-blue>via wifi
07:55<hogs-blue>yes Shared from Windows. Network share yes. Laptop connected by wifi into router
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07:58<apoc>uh what? Is the printer available on its own on the network (wifi/lan)? Or is the Windows XP computer required and is sharing the printer which is attached to it?
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08:00<hogs-blue>printer is attached to computer on a usb port and then shared with the network.
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08:01<jm_>cups can do that then
08:02<jm_>search for smb
08:03<jm_>there are also several non-debian specific howtos out there
08:03<hogs-blue>Thank you will go try that now
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08:11<yang>How can I extract only the /boot/config file from ?
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08:15<jm_>yang: dpkg-deb can extract /boot only if that's good enough
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08:18<Gabriel_7>yang: ar p linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-amd64_3.18.6-1~exp1_amd64.deb data.tar.xz | tar Jx ./boot/config-3.18.0-trunk-amd64 -O > config
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08:18<jm_>a tool like aunpack might make that easier ;)
08:19<Dbianer>Hello, can anyone help me to install VirtualBox to Debian Wheezy, pls ?
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08:20<jm_>Dbianer: install it like you install other packages
08:23<Dbianer>jm_: but I got this error:
08:23<yang>Gabriel_7: wow, thanks !
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08:24<Gabriel_7>yang: acat linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-amd64_3.18.6-1~exp1_amd64.deb ./boot/config-3.18.0-trunk-amd64
08:24<Gabriel_7>Much simpler.
08:24<jm_>Dbianer: you seem to have some leftover modules from vbox 4.3.20, try cleaning all those manually
08:25<Dbianer>jm_: how to do it ? :)
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08:25<jm_>Dbianer: I would rm all the kernel module files mentioned in your output and try again
08:26<Dbianer>I tried 2 times install all needed stuff as well as uninstall it but I always has sticked at this error and cannot move on :-(
08:26<jm_>Dbianer: I have to go now, sorry - no doubt someone else can help you
08:26<jm_>you should be ok if you delete all vbox modules and allow 4.3.18 to build
08:26<Dbianer>How ? ;-)
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08:28<xreal>Do I have to install grub-pc from within Debian or can I do grub-install --root-directory from my live-CD and install just a small part of grub2 inside debian?
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08:29<Dbianer>Hello, can anyone help me to install VirtualBox to Debian Wheezy, pls ? I got this error: Thanks for help.
08:33<centrx>Dbianer, What command did you use to install
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08:35<Dbianer>The same as described here : It was sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install virtualbox virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
08:36<Dbianer>Now I am uninstalling all headers and then try again install...
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08:37<centrx>Dbianer, I am thinking because you are using the backport version for both virtualbox and the kernel, maybe other supporting software like kmod (which has this 'depmod') want to be upgraded to backports as well
08:37<centrx>but I can't find a backport for kmod
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08:38<centrx>Dbianer, purging and then re-installing virtualbox etc is a good idea
08:38<Dbianer>What is kmod ? :)
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08:40<Dbianer>Now I am uninstalling all stuff arounf virtual box. Can we start again from a clear place ? :))
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08:41<centrx>Dbianer, yes start from scratch
08:41<centrx>Dbianer, kmod handles kernel modules
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08:42<Dbianer>Yep, I see I have kmod installed, btw.
08:42<centrx>Dbianer, virtualbox requires a kernel module in order to run, as a virtual machine
08:42<centrx>virtualbox-dkms builds and installs this kernel module for your kernel
08:43<Dbianer>Ok, now I uninstalled all virtualbox* dkms* etc., even headers. So where I should start now ? Install (any) header) like: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
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08:43<Dbianer>I have know VBox. I have already installed it many times 2 years ago. But as I see the install proceess has changed :)
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08:44<centrx>apt-get -t wheezy-backports install virtualbox should work
08:44<centrx>I mean that is supposed to just work and handle the dependencies
08:45<Dbianer>So I shoulndt install headers first ?
08:45<centrx>go for it
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08:45<Dbianer>Btw, uname says: Linux debian 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1 (2014-12-08) i686 GNU/Linux
08:47<centrx>Dbianer, yes, another option, since you are using backports a lot maybe, is to upgrade to pre-release Debian 8
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08:48<Dbianer>I would rather stayed at the wheezy :)) I have only 2 GB RAM, btw.
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08:49<Dbianer>Ok, I hit your command to install it again:
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08:51<centrx>Dbianer, ok Yes try it
08:51<centrx>Dbianer, That amount of RAM is fine for Linux including newer versions, you just may have to avoid Gnome and possibly KDE
08:52<Dbianer>your one, as you can see it in the pastebin link also ;)
08:52<Dbianer>*oops sorry for that last line I saw another question more lines above and replied, omg :))))
08:52<Dbianer>Sorry :)
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08:54<Dbianer>Ok, but again I got this error:
08:54<centrx>hmm ok, at least it's a different error :)
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08:55<centrx>Dbianer, "Please use 'dmesg' to find out"
08:56<xreal>Anyone with an idea, why there's no UUID at this line of my grub config? "linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=/dev/md127 ro quiet" ?
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08:58<Dbianer>centrx: ok, I did and there is the list here:
08:58<centrx>xreal, Apparently, it's using /dev/md127 instead of a UUID to identify the device
08:58<xreal>centrx: and that's very bad :)
08:58<centrx>xreal, That might be what happens when using Software RAID?
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08:58<xreal>centrx: 10 boots ago, it was /dev/md0 :)
08:59<xreal>centrx: let me do a snapshot, change it to uuid and see what happenes.
08:59<centrx>Dbianer, It actually looks like you're hard drive is failing
08:59<centrx>Dbianer, I would shut down and backup anything important
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09:00<red>anybody else sick of the snow?
09:00<Dbianer>Do u think it's due HDD error ? :) Omg ;-)
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09:00<xreal>centrx: works like a charm with uuid.
09:01<xreal>Seems like a found a bug - again.
09:01<centrx>Dbianer, Yes, "Unrecovered read error" -- "Medium Error" -- "failed command: READ DMA" ...
09:01<centrx>Dbianer, These too, "CPU0: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled", seems unusual
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09:02<Dbianer>centrx: ok, I have an older and smaller HDD now so I have to switch to bigger (and hope better) one due this PC is just a temporary solution. So, after all it's useless to try to play with this HDD, righ ? However, Debian works ok, no problem see in the daily usage...
09:02<centrx>red, Snow is great because it moving frozen water three feet/shovelling around feel like an accomplishment
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09:03<centrx>Dbianer, It's possible it's some specific region of the drive, and that if you ran badblocks it would mark that region as bad
09:03<centrx>Dbianer, but that's not a great solution, because it still means the hard drive is not reliable
09:04<centrx>Dbianer, get a new hard drive
09:04<centrx>Dbianer, or at least, shut down the current drive, make sure you have anything important backed up, before fiddling around with it
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09:05<Dbianer>Hmm, ok, so now I'll uninstall it VBox etc. and swith to the bigger HDD. Btw, another smaller question: is it too hard to make scanner work (it CanoScan D646U ex") if I have just for window$ downloaded drivers but the scanner doesn't work in Debian :-(
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09:06<Dbianer>I used Canon lide100 which worked. lsubs show it's registered in system but scanner doesn't work :-(
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09:07<Dbianer>* lsusb ;)
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09:07<Dbianer>I supposed that playing with some confs in sane dir could help :O
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09:08<centrx>Dbianer, Yeah I don't know about it, SANE is or used to be at least the standard program for scanners
09:09<centrx>Dbianer, Search for [canon lide100 debian]
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09:09<Dbianer>Ok, thanks for help, gonna make this hdd to be "retired" :) Nice day & bye.
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09:40<xreal_alt>centrx: See here:
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09:45<xreal>Anyone with an idea?
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10:07<xreal>I've figured it out!!
10:07<xreal>grub checks /dev/disk/by-uuid ... but this directory is empty!
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10:52<lids>Hallo! Anyone works Deb Wheezy with Lenovo G710? I found the way to unlock BIOS and I ready for install. Do you suggest to keep the recovery win for resell or service? All drivers are up-to-date? Any problem or any info?
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10:54<centrx>lids, Personally I wouldn't keep the recovery partition, particularly if you have a recovery CD/DVD or a Windows installer CD/DVD
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10:55<obeardly>lids: I agree with centrx as long as you have the media or if you never plan on reselling your machine
10:56<lids>I don't want to do but first I'll keep it for test. What about drivers. Do you know if everything on this machine works fine?
10:56<obeardly>if you ever plan on reselling, you need either the install media or the recovery partition
10:56<obeardly>Never installed on a Lenovo
10:56<obeardly>I only have HP and Dell
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10:57<lids>It is new and I can't tell what's going on with drivers.. Q(
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10:59<lids>centrx: I don't have any rec CD or w-inst.
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11:00<centrx>lids, Okay, so the recovery partition is valuable because it's an installation medium for Windows, you would want that as an option for re-sale
11:00<centrx>lids, It's possible if you call up Lenovo they will mail you a CD, since you did buy it, but this is the tendency nowadays, not providing CDs
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11:03<lids>thx. And what about UEFI? If debian works well I 'll take out the hdisk and turn it to ntfs.
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11:05<obeardly>lids: I dual boot my macbook pro with OS X Mav and Debian jessie, no issues with UEFI
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11:07<lids>ok good! thx centrx / obeardly. I 'll come back later for any installation help!
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12:24<Fakeboost>Hello I have a computer that can't connect to internet.The output of dmesg | grep ADDRCONF is: ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP):ETH0: link is not ready.
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12:26<Fakeboost>output of lsmod | grep -i rhine is: via_rhine 22276 0 (next line) mii 12595 1 via_rhine
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12:32<jhutchins>Fakeboost: Wired or wifi?
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12:34<Fakeboost>if your question is what's not working
12:34<Fakeboost>both are not working, just now i'm on wired
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12:34<jhutchins>Fakeboost: Does eth0 show in ifconfig?
12:35<valdyn>Fakeboost: its not wired, or it thinks its not wired, which is because its not up "ifconfig eth0 up" or because its not wired
12:35<jhutchins>Fakeboost: Does it have an address?
12:35<Fakeboost>no address
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12:35<jhutchins>Fakeboost: Do you use dhcp?
12:36<Fakeboost>let me try with an usb wifi
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12:36<Fakeboost>dhcp, yes
12:36<redeeman>im wondering, is there any way i can prevent syslogd in wheezy from putting to all my terminals and ssh connections a specific warning the kerrnel makes: "Message from syslogd@x at Feb 10 16:45:32 ... kernel:[30085733.771908] do_IRQ: 2.153 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)" ?
12:36<Fakeboost>another strange thing
12:37<Fakeboost>i connected a wifi modem and it shows in ifconfig as wlan1 instead of wlan0
12:37<redeeman>using default logger, rsyslog i believe
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12:38<Fakeboost>dmesg shows : udevd renamed network interface wlan0 to wlan1, some other ok lines, and the last one is the same as above for eth0: ADDRCONF NETDEV_UP wlan1 link is not ready
12:40<valdyn>redeeman: see /etc/sysctl.conf
12:40<valdyn>redeeman: # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console
12:40<redeeman>ah thanks
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12:53<semikku>Hmm, I seem to fail to get laptop-mode-tools to blacklist my USB-devices - they don't work properly since I installed LMT.
12:53<semikku>Anyone having experience with LMT refusing to accept blacklisted devices, and powering them off anyway?
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13:17<catern>is there a debian policy IRC channel? or anywhere it would be best to ask what projects or opinions Debian people have for addressing some of the supposed issues with the traditional distro packaging model?
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13:17<catern>like "there are too many possible applications for a distro to package them all", or "we want to use the latest libraries when developing"
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13:20<catern>Fakeboost: am scanning through it now :)
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13:26<jhutchins>catern: That kind of discussion lends itself more to a mailing list.
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13:59<redeeman>valdyn: it still seems to do it, i changed the setting in sysctl.conf and issued sysctl manually to set kernel.printk, do i need to restart rsyslog?
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14:06<dupondje>Any ETA on jessie somewhere? I'm going to install a new server this week, and was thinking to use jessie already .. If not to much changes are going to happen
14:06<dupondje>then I can set it up correctly with new packages
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14:10<Maulkin>dupondje: When the green line gets to 0:
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14:11<dupondje>164 to go :)
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14:12<Maulkin>dupondje: I *suspect* it won't be for a little while yet, as the person who does the CDs has gone on holiday.
14:12<Maulkin>dupondje: but there shoudn't be many changes to jessie between now and then anyway
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14:15<dupondje> 776094 [ ] [TU] dovecot-imapd: corrupts mailbox after trying to retrieve it
14:15<dupondje>don't like this one :)
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14:17<dupondje>but doesn't seem really an issue :)
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14:17<dupondje>only the CVE's that are still open ofc
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14:22<dupondje>guess i'll better stick with wheezy and upgrade afterwards
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14:33<centrx>dupondje, Jessie release process seems to be moving along quite well, but if you have a public server, security is important so stick with wheezy
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14:44<dupondje>centrx: its public indeed :)
14:44<dupondje>just annoying, need apache 2.4 (for php-fpm)
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14:58<johnny_3>does anyone know how to enable mouse scrolling in a guest virtual machine with virt-manager / kvm?
14:59<towo`>try -usbdevice tablet
14:59<towo`>but if you connect via vnc, it does not work afaik
14:59<awal>How to list all packages, including libs, installed in my debian machine?
15:00<towo`>dpkg -l | grep îi
15:00<dpkg>ii | grep îi 3.8-5 towo`'s private stamp collection
15:00<towo`>d pkg -l | grep ^ii
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15:01<olspookishmagus>shouldn't the debian-installer come along with gparted?
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15:03<awal>towo`: ok, thanks. It works it seems :)
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15:06<dupondje>no backports for apache 2.4 it seems :(
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15:08<awal>I'm in my sid machine now, not in the wheezy one. I asked that because I did a minimal debian install, I upgraded to testing then to unstable. I installed gnome, kde-full, mate-desktop-environment and cinnamon. I purged them all but I still have kde plasma desktop and a lot of packs and libs of gnome, kde and mate. I removed gnome-core, mate -session, kdm and more stuffs but still have a lot of things here I dont want. So how to list gnome, kde, mate and
15:08<awal>cinnamon related packs and libs for remove them all? It's hard and need long time doing that manually, checking deps and recommends. I want keep base system and only xfce.
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15:08<mtn>awal: reinstall would be a heck of a lot quicker
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15:10<somiaj>,v apache2
15:10<judd>Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze14; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u4; sid: 2.4.10-9; jessie: 2.4.10-9
15:11<awal>mtn: yeah, but I really have my xfce and fluxbox configured all well and as I want them. I'm tired reinstalling :(
15:11<somiaj>dupondje: you could make one yourself, could be there is a snag. Might just be a straight forward process but you'll have to watch for security issues with apache yourself.
15:12<mtn>awal: I doubt you will ever get all of the extra pieces removed, hopefully you can live with what you end up with ;)
15:12<somiaj>awal: luckly config files live in $HOME so shouldn't be to hard to get back to xfce like you have it
15:12<olspookishmagus>ah, it's OK - after all the fdisk that comes with debian-installer has GPT options ^^ let's see
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15:13<somiaj>olspookishmagus: umm, I didn't think fdisk supported GPT, but there are other tools on the installer. parted is one I think that gets used.
15:13<awal>mtn: sadly that's probably true :(
15:13<awal>somiaj: yes, you right
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15:17<dupondje>somiaj: well prefer not to compile a custom versions
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15:17<dupondje>might better switch to jessie I guess
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15:18<awal>I wonder if what is mentioned here is applicable for my situation (the section how to remove all gnome and deps). If yes, how to apply that command for kde, mate and cinnamon? Changing "gnome" by kde, mate, cinnamon will do the job?
15:21<olspookishmagus>somiaj: Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.25.2).
15:21<olspookishmagus> g create a new empty GPT partition table
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15:22<olspookishmagus>problem is now that I don't see how can I create an Extended partition (and a logical partition) in it
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15:26<blast007>awal: does 'apt-get autoremove' help you at all? (it would remove automatically installed packages that no longer have other packages that depend on them)
15:27<jento>ich habe einen Netwerkdrucker "canon MG5250" den will ich im Wlan nutzen der Drucker ist auch im Netwerk wie bekomme ich den im CUP install
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15:28<awal>blast007: yes it helped but it only removed a few packs. I dont understand why I still have the full plasma desktop and kde apps after purgine kde-full, kde-plasma-desktop/netbook and kdm
15:28<awal>purgin ^
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15:29<towo`>awal, because that are only metapackages
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15:29<towo`>awal, apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/kde/{ print $2 }')
15:30<towo`>awal, but then, many qt-packages are still installed
15:31<awal>towo`: complex command ; i dont understand it all. what means exactly?
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15:31<towo`>purge all packages with kde in package-name
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15:33<DiTen>hi to all
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15:35<DiTen>I have a disk with 2 partiton, one ntfs 100gb with w7 and the other with remaining raw space
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15:35<DiTen>how can I install debian on the other partition?
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15:36<DiTen>when I try to install it me display only the full disk not actual partitions
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15:37<Garp>Hi. I got some malware on my PC (some chrome stuff called " ") where can I go for help, thanks.
15:38<awal>towo`: ok, in your opinion which one I need to execute? "apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/kde/{ print $2 }')" find in debian wiki for remove gnome, I changed gnome by kde or "aptitude purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep kde | cut -f 1`" ? I mean which one will be more efficient? I'm going to execute them both, just curious
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15:40<awal>Guys, I hope I'm not bothering too much; I want learn because it can happen for every debian user. learn how to remove a whole DE.
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15:44<retrospectacus>awal: they are identical.
15:44<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell awal about remove kde
15:45<awal>retrospectacus: ok, thanks
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15:46<awal>the output of towo`command I think all is okay, only kde related stuffs will be removed. I'm doubting a little about hit yes or no :)
15:48<retrospectacus>note that that command removes packages with "kde" in the description as well
15:48<retrospectacus>but it is probably what you want
15:49<awal>towo`: so changing 'kde' by gnome, mate and cinnamon in that command will do the job too for remove gnome, mate and cinnamon stufs ehm?
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15:50<awal>retrospectacus: yes, thats what I want :)
15:50<Garp>(so nobody know where I could get help for a malware under chromium ? Thnaks)
15:50<retrospectacus>awal: I know... you've been doing this for days :)
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15:52<awal>retrospectacus: really I had same issue several times because I have several machines and I install and uninstall DE's and WM's all the time but sometimes I reinstall because of that. today I said NO reinstall, I'll try to remove kde and gnome without reinstall
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15:53<mtn>Garp: did you research the suspected "malware"?
15:53<retrospectacus>awal: see <remove kde> and <remove gnome> factoids
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15:54<retrospectacus>and autoremove for the remaining crud
15:55<Garp>mtn : I gpoogled, but only found windows relevant informations.
15:55<awal>retrospectacus: yes I seen that. I'll remove what mentioned by dpkg bot when towo`command finish :)
15:55<mtn>Garp: what info do you have that it is anything that would hurt linux?
15:56<Garp>mtn : it's affecting my brower right now (well, i shut the brower down shen I rrealized it)
15:56<mtn>Garp: how is it affecting it? please actually give some basic information
15:57<retrospectacus>spam popups or keylogging or taking pictures on your webcam or what?
15:57<Garp>mtn : it hack links and try to open popups moszt stuff is blocked by abp and nocript, but that's not sane at all
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15:58<Garp>mn: I dont know how it went in, I dont know how far it went and what it could have done beside that
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15:59<DiTen>some body can help me?
16:00<mtn>Garp: it was doing these things to your session?
16:01<Garp>mtn : yes, it's doing it to my chromium sessin
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16:01<mtn>Garp: you can remove your chromium folder, which is in .config. that will give you a clean session when you restart chromium
16:02<retrospectacus>DiTen: it's something to do with "Dynamic Disks" a windows feature.
16:02<jhutchins>DiTen: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
16:03<Garp>mtn : yes, but if I want to know more about how it went in and if it could have getsome of my pwd adn such ?
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16:03<mtn>Garp: I am sure you can research that on the net
16:03<Garp>(and relmoving mly folder will means removing history and everything)
16:03<jhutchins>DiTen: Ah, installer question.
16:03<jhutchins>DiTen: I believe you select "Advanced Partitioning".
16:03<Garp>mtn : tried, but found no reference of the linuc instance
16:04<DiTen>no, I have try all types
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16:04<DiTen>it me display always entire disk sda
16:04<DiTen>not partitions sda1, sda2, sda3
16:04<jhutchins>Right, then you create new partitions.
16:05<DiTen>I have also tried to mount manually the partitions
16:05<jhutchins>DiTen: Click on the empty space, create a partition, specify mount point.
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16:06<DiTen>yes...but w7 is alreay installed and it me display entire disk as free space...when isn't true
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16:06<mtn>Garp: quick google: linux malware lots of answers
16:07<Garp>mtn : any relevant one ?
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16:07<mtn>Garp: I guess you will have to decide that for yourself
16:07<Garp>mtn : so the answer is no
16:07<Garp>that's why I'm here
16:08<mtn>Garp: no, the answer is that I am not interested in doing your homework for you. It is not a problem on my computer.
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16:08<mtn>Garp: and it is not a debian problem, either
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16:09<Garp>mtn : that's why my first questioon was *where* I would have to ask this question
16:09<DiTen>garp I suggest you salvatore aranzulla
16:09<DiTen>can help you
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16:10<Garp>DiTen: What's that ? thanks.
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16:10<Garp>mtn : Well, if you dont want to help, just say it :-)
16:11<DiTen>garp you can google it
16:11<DiTen>salvatore aranzulla "rimuovere trojan"
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16:12<Garp>DiTen : I can only see windows stuff :-(
16:13<DiTen>malware are only on windows :D
16:13<Garp>DiTen : but I'm on debian
16:13<mtn>that link I gave you has lots of linux info
16:13<mtn>of course, you would actually have to look at it
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16:15<Garp>mtn : (didnt saw any link from you?)
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16:15<mtn>Garp: quick google: linux malware lots of answers
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16:17<Garp>mtn: I did that before comming here, and found no relevant answer to me, unfortunately
16:17<retrospectacus>DiTen: windows has "dynamic disks" - entire disk (or multiple disks) are used and partitioned within for windows (kind of like LVM) - you need to disable this to get actual free space for Debian
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16:19<DiTen>nice...I did not know
16:19<DiTen>thanks retrospectacus
16:19<retrospectacus>you should, I told you 18 minutes ago
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16:20<retrospectacus>anyways google that and you will be on your way
16:20<DiTen>sorry I have lose your message
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16:20<DiTen>yes, thanks ;(
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16:25<DiTen>retrospectacus: I'm on w7 disks management
16:25<DiTen>and it me display only convert to dinamic
16:25<DiTen>so the disk is already basic
16:26<retrospectacus>you want "Convert to Basic Disk"
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16:26<DiTen>it me display only convert to dinamic because is already basic
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16:27<Garp>mtn : did you really found any relevant entry ?
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16:28<retrospectacus>DiTen: and the disk has only one volume on it? and it is smaller than the size of the disk?
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16:30<DiTen>the hd should be 500gb but it me display Disco 0 465,76gb
16:30<retrospectacus>that's normal
16:30<DiTen>I have tried also to format other partition in ext4
16:30<DiTen>but nothing changed :(
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16:31<Garp>DiTen : 500GB against 465.76GiB : it's the same size
16:32<DiTen>garp...the question is How to install debian on partition when I have already w7 installed on the disk
16:32<Garp>DiTen : I cant help, as I dont know anything about windows, sorry
16:33<retrospectacus>DiTen: how big is the partition(s)?
16:33<DiTen>it's not windows problem -_-
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16:36<DiTen>actually there are 3 partitions, w7 automatically created first 100mb for boot and 100gb for sys
16:36<DiTen>and remaining space
16:36<DiTen>for third partition
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16:40<DiTen>retrospectacus: something change if on w7 I assign a letter to third partition?
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16:41<DiTen>where I want to install debian I mean
16:41<dupondje>Just tried to install Jessie, and after it loads it components, the iDRAC gets disconnected
16:41<dupondje>really strange
16:42<AberHatschi>DiTen, you have bios system
16:42<retrospectacus>well, maybe. I have no idea why d-i would see only one full partition if Windows says it is a basic disk with unused space
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16:42<DiTen>yes, with uefi
16:42<DiTen>maybe I must change some options there?
16:42<AberHatschi>is the partition in gpt
16:43<DiTen>I'm not sure, in linux it say thet is not gpt
16:43<DiTen>when I start it live
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16:44<AberHatschi>you have installed windows you self or you buy the pc on a store so as is
16:44<DiTen>I have install it by myself
16:45<AberHatschi>you have 2 partitions in windows ?
16:45<AberHatschi>ok is not efi install
16:46<DiTen>wait a moment
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16:46<AberHatschi>you can the partition only create as extenden parttion
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16:49<AberHatschi>ok so you have windows 7 installs in bios mode so you can only have 4 partitions
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16:50<retrospectacus>DiTen: you have no free space; there is a 3rd NTFS partition
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16:50<AberHatschi>you musst the next partitions create as extendend partitions for debian you need min 2 partitions
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16:50<DiTen>but the 3rd is for debian
16:50<DiTen>now is ntfs I have format that also in ext4
16:51<DiTen>nothing changed
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16:51<AberHatschi>yes but debian needs 2 partitions
16:51<retrospectacus>delete it.
16:51<AberHatschi>and /
16:51<retrospectacus>AberHatschi: those are created in the debian installer, not here.
16:51<DiTen>if I delete it
16:51<DiTen>it me display as raw space
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16:51<retrospectacus>DiTen: that's what you want
16:51<DiTen>and nothig change on the installer
16:52<DiTen>no...because it continue to try to install on entire disk
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16:52<retrospectacus>DiTen: well, that is the problem. But here it should be raw space
16:52<DiTen>I have also tried to mount manually the windows partition on debian installation with a shell
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16:53<DiTen>I have start with raw space, then I have formatted in other fs
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16:55<DiTen>now is again raw
16:55<DiTen>and w7 doesn't display the 3rd partition more
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16:55<DiTen> say that if I try to install it me display sda1, sda2, sda3 ?
16:56<retrospectacus>just sda1 and sda2, you will need to create sda3 and sda4
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16:56<retrospectacus>DiTen: what debian installer CD are you using?
16:57<DiTen>on usb pendrive with unetbootin
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16:57<retrospectacus>oh... unetbootin is known to create non-functional usb installers.
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16:58<retrospectacus>DiTen: use "cp" or "cat" to write the ISO to usb
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16:58<retrospectacus>oh right, windows. Use
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16:59<DiTen>uhm, are you sure? there is not problem with usb that is not cd rom?
17:00<DiTen>it can raise me error when try to find cd rom
17:00<retrospectacus>no, the debian installer is made to work from a usb stick
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17:00<retrospectacus>unetbootin actually breaks this
17:01<retrospectacus>I'm going to get a haircut. Back in a while
17:01<DiTen>ok, I will try
17:01<DiTen>thanks a lot
17:01<DiTen>wait a moment
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17:02<DiTen>when debian installer want to partitioning automatically my disk there are more of two partitions
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17:05<DiTen>ok, thanks to all I will back :P
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17:31<dupondje>Seems like the debian installed of Jessie is killing my iDRAC
17:31<dupondje>very strange
17:31<dupondje>shuts down idrac and whole system
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17:33<StyXman>I have a laptop with an SDD and an HDD. the HDD has /var in it, but it stops and starts very often. I tried to set the standby with hdparm -S 120 (10 minutes), but it keeps spinning down
17:35<Hack4Kix>just a thought .. would a bios setting be overriding the hdparm settings? i had that happen before
17:36<StyXman>I was not behaving like that before. i think I removed some of the power management packages
17:36<StyXman>this is a Debian Sid with years of packages being installed and deinstalled
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17:37<Hack4Kix>oh... i see and nothing got changed in the bios then? just one day started doing that?
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17:37<StyXman>mayba acpi-support?
17:38<StyXman>Hack4Kix: well, it didn't had the HDD for a while
17:38<Hack4Kix>which debian distro you using?
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17:39<StyXman>I also think I had acpid installed
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17:41<StyXman>I also tried to use /etc/hdparm.conf to set it up at boot time, but it doesn't seem to change anything
17:41<awal>99% off gnome, kde, mate and cinnamon removed from my system now. Thanks a lot guys for your help/suggestions :) thanks, retrospectacus, mtn, blast007, somiaj. And special thanks for towo` :)
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17:42<Hack4Kix>have you tried removing and reinstalling pm-utils ?
17:42<Hack4Kix>maybe something got f00bar
17:42<StyXman>Hack4Kix: apt-get install --reinstall?
17:43<StyXman>sounds like 'have you tried turning it off and on again?'
17:43<Hack4Kix>did you check the batteries? LOL
17:44<StyXman>hdparm -U says:
17:44<StyXman> Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, with device specific minimum
17:44<StyXman> Advanced power management level: 96
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17:44<StyXman>(among other things, of course)
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17:45<Hack4Kix>is this a raspberry pi running off solar cells or something?
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17:48<StyXman>Hack4Kix: uhm?
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17:49<Hack4Kix>can I PM you for a second.. just a paragraph
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17:58<StyXman>well, technically, I'm not susoending the laptop, it's the disk who spins down
18:00<StyXman>but it mentions hal (which doesn't exist anymore) and acpid. I just installed the latter and acpi-support, but noting changed
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18:00<Hack4Kix>i agree but setting PM_DEBUG=true should you not get all power management verbose logged there or am I mistaken?
18:01<Hack4Kix>whether or not you have or have not used the suspend function to spin it down, but rather it is doing it otherwise?
18:01<StyXman>no, only the suspend/resume cycle of the whole machine
18:02<StyXman>I think that before there was a package that set the disk's suspend option and times
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18:03<StyXman>and that I removed it in one of my sweep ups (having such an old setup, lots of packages were installed once, tried or not, then gorgot installed)
18:03<Hack4Kix>oh okay then thats my bad... aI assumed PM_debug=true sets the flag for all power management globally and i may be right but where would be the full log for that then??
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18:06<Hack4Kix>;dist=unstable <-- outstanding unstable bugs :)
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18:06<StyXman>Hack4Kix: well, hard disk can suspend themselves, without the computer telling them
18:07<StyXman>itś called spin down
18:07<StyXman>that's my problem, it spins down too fast
18:07<Hack4Kix>yeah but you can change that with a serial cable and a terminal program
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18:08<StyXman>serail cable? terminal? what?
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18:10<Hack4Kix>:) styxman: I have a laptop with an SDD and an HDD. the HDD has /var in it <-- in the firmware or in the file system ? lol
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18:11<StyXman>the partition
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18:13<StyXman>having /var in it, it spins up when something gets logged, then it spins down like 5 seconds later
18:14<StyXman>sometimes more
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18:14<StyXman>but all this spinning down and up is going to kill it
18:14<xreal>Doey anyone know, what my HDD usage on mdadm RAID-5 looks like this? 60% sda, 20% sdb, 20% sdc - for reading and writing!
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18:16<Hack4Kix>sure ..but do you need powermanagement features , even on a laptop .. if its plugged in all the time like mine, i disable all that garf i have alaptop i just use as a development machine and it wastes power but i pay the electric bill so ... you know :)
18:17<StyXman>ok, this fixes it:
18:17<Hack4Kix>now its a battery killer
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18:17<StyXman>Hack4Kix: no, I plug it in and off more than once almost every day
18:18<Hack4Kix>but at least not a drive killer ;)
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18:18<StyXman>battery dies in ~5 years, HD at this pace in less than one
18:19<Hack4Kix>yeah its kind of a balance you gotta achieve and weigh out the wear n tear ..
18:20<StyXman>then this:
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18:20<Hack4Kix>although we should always have a backup several times per day (some of us dont do that) a battery replacement is better than trying to recover data from an overworked drive
18:21<StyXman>this laptop already killed 2 HDs
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18:21<StyXman>high drops, both times
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18:23<Hack4Kix>and you still arent leaning towards a bios patch or perhaps if the same exact drive model, both times a drive firmware patch/ upgrade?
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18:24<Hack4Kix>if using the unstable , and you already posted the fix in the link before, only time will tell right>?
18:25<Hack4Kix>i'm just trying to be helpful but maybe i'm not very helpful , hey .. we try
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18:27<Hack4Kix>i have 1 laptop that has already went through several hard drives and keyboards .. but i just cant give it up .. so i keep fixing it
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18:30<StyXman>Hack4Kix: that's the spirit!
18:30<Hack4Kix>i guess you can say it has 'sort of mental value' to its running puppy mainly all in ram and still works nice (because its a single core p4 @ 1.2ghz)
18:31<Hack4Kix>funny thing is .. it can stream HD content all day but can it process it? NO... lol thats why we ported xbmc to other devices
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18:34<Hack4Kix>its a nice little streamer box ... with multicast upnp <-- basically its a huge old school chromecast without the arm architecture and the hdmi output and the vidcore processor lol
18:35<Hack4Kix>its nice
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18:35<squirrel`>is that one of those mini boxes thatt mounts on our ttv i readabout
18:35<squirrel`>running arm
18:35<Hack4Kix>its a boat anchor re-purposed
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18:36<Hack4Kix>yeah i heard its a linux kern that boots up a java virtual machine or something.. i saw it on fox news
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18:37<squirrel`>right now im about to ditch kali and get debian for this new computer im building
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18:37<squirrel`>just dont remember if i have to have nix on the firstt partition
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18:38<Hack4Kix>i've been a centos redhat guy all my life but deb has turned me around... and puppy slack0
18:38<squirrel`>and bloody company sold me this barebone kit with a tower that doesnt have mounts for 2.5 SSD's
18:38<squirrel`>i got very used to kali......
18:39<squirrel`>but it didnt run a lot i wanted to
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18:39<Hack4Kix>i used bootstraps and a few screws but keep em loose :)
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18:39<squirrel`>well i usually justt use 2 screws
18:40<squirrel`>its not like i move towers around
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18:40<squirrel`>its not like i move towers around
18:40<squirrel`>crap keep hitting arrow key on this lappy
18:40<Hack4Kix>have you noticed when you do something for someone else you put all the screws back in and you put zip ties on the wiring etc.. but every box in your house has 1 or 2 screw in it tops? LOL
18:41<squirrel`>i usually end up with extra screws o_o
18:42<squirrel`>im just hoping this barebones has no DOA's
18:42<squirrel`>ive waited since 2/2 for this in multiple deliveries
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18:42<Hack4Kix>i have a plethora loose of screws in my /box/bin (insert pun here)
18:42<squirrel`>newegg seems to be dropping out of the tower based kits and focusing on shuttle/lanbox
18:43<retrospectacus>take your tea party elsewhere ladies
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18:43<squirrel`>i see no issue sparxacus since nobody else is talking just like in offtopic chan
18:43*squirrel` blows raspberry
18:44<Hack4Kix>lol @ ginger@root:
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18:44<squirrel`>mandrake would be funny too^_^
18:44<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on or #defocus on
18:45<squirrel`>what all comes in the installer dvd
18:45<retrospectacus>!cd contents
18:45<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at (e.g.
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18:45<Hack4Kix>my wife is ginger ..(true story) i cam home the other day and she was drunk passed out on the floor in my garage ... so i thought i would let her sleep it off awhile and checked my server logs :
18:46<squirrel`>were gonna get in trouble eventually
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18:46<squirrel`>retrto would ratther ttalk using triggers instead of answering himself
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18:46<Hack4Kix>turns out she was trying to run a windows app on my server .. and it kept sayin apt-get wine .. so she did over and over lol
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18:47<squirrel`>lets go to offtopic before we get killed
18:47<squirrel`>and that is funny
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18:49<squirrel`>wondering if i really need the 64 bit distro
18:49<squirrel`>ive always used 32
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18:49<squirrel`>would it affect gaming
18:49<Hack4Kix>running windows under linux is like buying turkey bologna or turkey breakfast sausage... hey! stop trying to emulate all the other animals, just be yourself!
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18:50<squirrel`>where is retro
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18:51<Hack4Kix>hey squirrel .. if you take any rock n roll song and replace 'girl' with 'squirrel' you will be entertained for weeks..
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18:52<Hack4Kix>moptley crue ' squirrels squirrels squirrels'
18:52<squirrel`>my squirrel
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18:52<Hack4Kix>:) my squirrel whooo hooo
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18:53<Hack4Kix>that squirrel is poison
18:53<xreal>Doey anyone know, what my HDD usage on mdadm RAID-5 looks like this? 60% sda, 20% sdb, 20% sdc - for reading and writing!
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18:54<sean_>#debian-boot on
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18:54<Hack4Kix>can we emulate snowleopard under linux?
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18:55<Hack4Kix>my kid wants an ipad but i'm too cheap
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18:56<Hack4Kix>i told him use vmware .. he said where? here? or where there? <-- omg he is sounding like my father in law
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18:56<rainfyre>Hack4Kix: i've done it
18:56<rainfyre>you can emulate osx in vmware or vbox, but that's not a topic for this channel
18:57<squirrel`>why not?
18:57<Hack4Kix>he's only 18 so we need to take him out of the old sandbox /env and into the new /env
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18:59<squirrel`>im still trying to decide whether to get 32/64 bit
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18:59<Hack4Kix>ive got puppy running under debian and only using 128mb of protected ram and its running lampp + py and wine..
19:00<Hack4Kix>part2 /dev2
19:02<Hack4Kix>dont ask why i did that ..
19:02<Hack4Kix>i had a thought ... and an extra 250gb drive
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19:02<Hack4Kix>why not?
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19:04<Hack4Kix>if it was lucid puppy i would maybe have put it on the same partition
19:04<Hack4Kix>but since its slack0 .. gotta keep them dogs from fighting
19:07<Hack4Kix><rainfyre> Hack4Kix: i've done it <-- usually if you nick is in red , you have done something ;)
19:08<Hack4Kix>are we allowed to post youtube video links?
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19:10<Hack4Kix>i'll await an answer but this is good tune
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19:13<devil>Hack4Kix: only if it helps with your debian related question
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19:23<Hack4Kix>okay ill post one youtube link and my question is directed toward rainfyre: do you like this video: I've seen fyre and i've seen rain : <-- does he have root?
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19:27<Hack4Kix>devil: it was a .debville related question ...(although not very technical)
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19:28<devil>Hack4Kix: I have no idea what .debville is
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19:28<Hack4Kix>its a local packaging repo
19:29<Hack4Kix>we're taking it back for the developers
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19:30<Hack4Kix>closed source development is for the devils lol
19:30<devil>I know one thing, for music links, this is the wrong channel :)
19:31<devil>and yes, I used to play that song on the guitar 40 years ago
19:31<Hack4Kix>:( nobody listens to music when they code or compile?
19:31<Hack4Kix>and dance around the room when it works?
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19:32<Hack4Kix>alright i wont post anymore youtube...
19:32<Hack4Kix>warning taken
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19:34<Hack4Kix>can i post python code via paste.debian?
19:34<Hack4Kix>and link it here?
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19:40<Hack4Kix>debian comes with python pre-installed so it is related
19:41<PiresFelix>that a incredible code
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19:43<Hack4Kix>i could have made it more elaborate if i imported beautifulsoup
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19:44<Hack4Kix>itl get wiped within 24 hours anyways ..
19:44<Hack4Kix>not using much bandwitdh or disk space
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19:45<lids>With Atheros AR8172 firmware missing, do you suggest: 1) install jessie (finds the Atheros model) or 2) a complete wheezy installation image without internet connection and upgrade kernel?
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19:47<PiresFelix>lids, did you checked if jessie has the firmware?
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19:49<Hack4Kix>whats wrong with this:
19:49<lids>Not yet. I 'm not sure. From search a user found that this is a solution.
19:49<Hack4Kix>no backport?
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19:54<Hack4Kix>i did notice that with the newer atheros chipsets monitor mode still = 0 on the open firmware ... ifconfig calm down ;)
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20:02<lids>Hack4Kix: ha :D
20:02<Hack4Kix>its just good to know
20:02<Hack4Kix>youve got a friend lol
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20:04<Hack4Kix>we're working on it as fast as we can with long hours and no pay so please bnice
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20:14<Hack4Kix>there was an old guy once told me .. if you cant wait for a new 3rd party driver to be written and compiled, tested and handed to you on a silver platter , then stick with your old newtwork card ;)
20:14<abrotman>Ah, love my newtwork
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20:15<Hack4Kix>speaking of newtwork .. I am still novell newtwork certified on 10 baste t and c
20:17<Hack4Kix>havent seen any jobs on craigs list for a novell netware certified tech... probably because we're all dead or retired lol
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20:23<astings>what programs exist in debian for compile and write C code?
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20:25<lids>None by default ;)
20:25<rudi_s_>astings: gcc, clang, some other compilers.
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20:26<astings>ok thanks guys
20:27<Hack4Kix>nothing wrong with gcc .. still use it
20:27<Hack4Kix>gary uses gnu gcc
20:28<chrchstr>Does anyone here use iirvm?
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20:30<chrchstr>I don't, I was just wondering...
20:31<Hack4Kix>i wasnt googling i was making dinner
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20:32<Hack4Kix>i was making sloppy joes but instead of using tomato sauce i used paste .. so i call them tidy joes
20:32<lids>i was duckduckgoing for dinner. ha
20:32<Hack4Kix>and they dont ruin your work shirt
20:32<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
20:33<Hack4Kix>understood but it does seem quiet in here .. obviosly debian works just fine for most people
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20:34<lids>Jessie or wheezy? Atheros AR8172 problem. :P
20:34<Hack4Kix>my box is happy:) with the exception of not sure about zpanel maybe ispconfig would be better
20:35<Hack4Kix>i just dont have the money for whm
20:35<Hack4Kix>my host said an extra 40 a month for cpanel
20:36<Hack4Kix>so i have a dedicated server in my garage now
20:37<Hack4Kix>back with redhat3 we didnt have a cool gui front end
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20:38<Hack4Kix>how the heck did the internet work without a mouse? and an icon to click
20:38<mjolnir40k>At scale, mice and icons just get in the way
20:38*Hack4Kix still remembers his compuserv user id
20:39<Hack4Kix>dns was at its infancy
20:39<mjolnir40k>I remember having a number with a lot of 7's in it
20:39<Hack4Kix>yeah! it was like 7735437,7723
20:39<Hack4Kix>lol or some crap like that
20:39<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
20:40<chrchstr>You did everything from the terminal, or worse... punch cards.
20:42<qxt>Using a x2 E5-2620 setup what supports NUMA. How can I find the memory in each cpu node? I want to pin cores to use local memory resources for my qumu-kvm vms
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20:43<Hack4Kix>okay .. i have a valid question ... not sure what went awry .. but i had this box working fine debian wheezy with apache2 , php , python , and bind9 for my dns and everything was working fine ... also had ssh / sftp also configured and working flawlessly ..
20:43<abrotman>qxt: maybe /msg dpkg whats my hardware
20:43<Hack4Kix>i know what you are gonna say.. but hear me out anyway.. i wanted to add proftpd as well for the baby hosting accounts ...
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20:44<Hack4Kix>after installing proftpd even though it was jailed
20:44<qxt>abrotman maybe let me take a look. Would be nice if there was a solid command. Cant find anything in /proc/cpuinfo
20:45<Hack4Kix>.. i mysql got corrupted and gdm went to sh!t
20:45<Hack4Kix>maybe it wasnt a good idea
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20:47<Hack4Kix>who uses anything other than a secure shell and sftp anymore?
20:49<qxt>turns out that ssh might be as secure as most of us think Hack4Kix . Anyway I use scp all the time
20:50<Hack4Kix>it was possibly a fault on my part for taking a perfectly working server and adding proftpd when we already had sftp and zpanel installed
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20:51<Hack4Kix>its still working .. just feels so vulnerable now
20:51<Nikon>my wheezy server isn't showing the libcaca package, is it that its in source?
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20:52<Hack4Kix>apt-get caca :) (you should know better not to get caca) it's p00
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20:53<Nikon>its listed as libcaca under the deb repo
20:53<qxt>abrotman not sure what you mean with dpkg whats my hardware. " aptitude search hardware " gave nothing but I use have lshw installed
20:53<Hack4Kix>its a test box .. its behind 4 nat hardware firewalls and is sub sub sub netted...
20:54<Nikon>i'm stupid
20:55<Hack4Kix>that was a joke... and you aren't stupid and i do mind ..
20:55<qxt>anyway using - x2 Xeon E5-2620v3, 64GB ECC DDR4 registered RAM, z10pe-d8 ws
20:56<Hack4Kix>i'm jotting this down... get nikon and mp3 player for christmas
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20:57<Hack4Kix>you guys make me read alot of documentation .. i hate that ;)
20:57<Hack4Kix>its like a hyperbole and a half !
20:57<Hack4Kix>compile all the things! read all the things! do all the things!
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20:58<Hack4Kix>i love this alot
20:58<qxt>You should get into OpenBSD. They are really aspie about the mans. Got to admit they are darn good though.
20:58<Hack4Kix>i have an alot teeshirt
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20:59<Hack4Kix>but its not freeebsd
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20:59<qxt>I don't like blobs
21:00<Hack4Kix>ihate blitters
21:00<Hack4Kix>i been working soo hard , i got blitters on my pingers
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21:02<astings>1000 pages for learn C it's a shit ,i say because better me read the holy bible
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21:03<abrotman>Hack4Kix: you're having a problem with staying on-topic ..
21:03<Hack4Kix>you might have something there ... i learned visual c++ in 21 hours they said days .. but i was unemployed at the time
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21:04<Hack4Kix>fine.. i'll stay on topic from now on...
21:04<none>does anyone know how large the grsecurity patch kernel is once finished? I have 12gb on my /usr partition and the build fails because it runs out of space
21:05<Hack4Kix>debian is great .. i went to to park today and walked my dog.. we had a great time because my debian server requires no maintenance
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21:05<Hack4Kix>welcome back raynefair
21:06<qxt>./ignore Hack4Kix
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21:06<abrotman>Hack4Kix: please try to stay on topic, this is a support channel for debian
21:06<abrotman>Hack4Kix: if you need some place to chat, try #moocows
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21:12<lids>Do you think that if jessie has a solution about new chipsets (AR8172) maybe the next stable distribution is already fixed?
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21:13<SteveGRCGibson>welcome back jamestaylor
21:13<SteveGRCGibson>we missed you
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21:15<qxt>Trying to optimize disk I/O using Debian GNU/Linux as a kvm hypervisor. Using virtio, raw with no cache for my disks with ext4 for my guests. Is ext4 the best way to go for the guests?
21:15<qxt>disks are WD Red HDDs.
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21:17<Kix|behaving|nicely>sorry gents..
21:18<qxt>other distro use all sorts of "fancy" file systems. I like to keep things KISS if I can but if there is a vast improvement in disk I/O I can conceder something blinky.
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21:23<Kix|behaving|nicely>i was just poking fun .. no offense intended by any means .. sometimes during the slow hours (usually when we might be working ) it's nice to spin off a joke or two or lighten the mood for just a minute.. that's all i was trying to do .. my help will be in the repo .. i still do real work. my comedy career hasnt done much for me.. :)
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21:27<Kix|behaving|nicely>cheers m8s .. i'm still a squeeze fan
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21:31<Kix|behaving|nicely> <-- does this affect debian wheezy?
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21:31<Kix|behaving|nicely>i dont understand kernels
21:31<Kix|behaving|nicely>is this something i should be concerned about?
21:32<Kix|behaving|nicely>i'm having panic attacks
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21:32<Kix|behaving|nicely>maybe openvpn is not the way togo?
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21:33<Kix|behaving|nicely>that is awesome :) hackers has quit ()
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21:52<awal>acpi -V returns: "Thermal 0: ok, 47.0 degrees C Thermal 0: trip point 0 switches to mode critical at temperature 127.0 degrees C Thermal 0: trip point 1 switches to mode hot at temperature 127.0 degrees C" At 127 degrees C my machine components will just melt :) Is that temperature limit a bios default configuration or a linux debian system related?
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21:53<awal>Curious because I get similar results in different machines
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21:55<abrotman>that's probably based on vendor specs and the acpi bios
21:55<abrotman>I'm guessing
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21:58<awal>127 degrees C as limit is crazy, too much. or thats "normal"?
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21:59<themill>sounds like a "I don't care" sort of value
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22:00<awal>because I wonder if X machine can survive at that temperature
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22:01<awal>my debian system never is more 45/50 degrees but if I run flash I get 60 or 70 +
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22:02<abrotman>try it and see
22:02<Guest4974>can anyone help me pls
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22:03<Guest4974>i am tired trying install skype and i dont do that
22:03<awal>Guest4974: running wheezy?
22:03<SamB_laptop>awal: probably that's the highest possible value to set for it
22:03<Guest4974>yes my sistem is wheezy
22:04<Guest4974>64 bit
22:04<awal>SamB_laptop: probably yeah
22:05<Guest4974>i was following many tutorials from webblogs and it is imposible
22:05<awal>Guest4974: nothing complicated , just follow this
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22:07<Guest4974>uname -r
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22:08<Guest4974>i have enabled backport repo
22:08<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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22:09<awal>Guest4974: again, check this ----> you will be done
22:09<Guest4974>but maybe
22:10<Guest4974>i have some problems
22:10<lasagn4>hi. i installed a virtualbox.deb file manually instead of the mainted apt-get packages, now , how do i uninstall it?
22:10<Guest4974>it is a fresh install
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22:11<Guest4974>Descent OS i forgot say
22:12<Guest4974>hey lasagn i unistall pakages with gdebi and works for me :)
22:13<awal>Guest4974: follow that wiki and if you have troubles ask again. i tried months ago skype for i386 and worked just fine; should work for amd64 too. all what you need is in that link
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22:17<abrotman>Guest4974: this channel is for Debian support, we don't support other distros here
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22:18<abrotman>Guest4974: Over on the right side, they have an IRC channel
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22:26<pollo1>how does one obtain tcl and python for debian wheezy?
22:26<dvs>,v python
22:26<judd>Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.8-3; sid: 2.7.8-3
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22:26<pollo1>i'm looking for activestate tcl
22:27<pollo1>i'm tired of tkintering around
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22:28<pollo1>is boa constructor a good gui wrapper for python?
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22:34<awal>he said he use wheezy...
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22:39<pollo1> <-- now what if after they implemented the patch and its all good now, perhaps if we move a bit farther down the line, a simple patch someplace about org 0xblahblah form the entry point else cant get you back to the bootloader? ie: the unstable jeezy ipv6 implementation ..its a Fk1n 2 byte patch to get root !! send me back to script kiddie school but i can own that box ;)
22:39<pollo1>we're not the jefeersons
22:39<pollo1>not the jsons
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22:40<pollo1>if you only use ipv4 you might be okay
22:41<pollo1>i'll explain:
22:41<pollo1>read it and weep or do something about IT ;)
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22:44<pollo1>;) anyways thanks for not banning my whole hostmask and my proxies <-- thank you! gentlemen .. and i mean that.. debian does kick ass.. but we can make it better always ;)
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22:45<black>alguien habla spanish por aqui
22:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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22:46<pollo1> <-- this is very very interesting
22:46<abrotman>pollo1: Please stay on-topic
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23:51<fling>BeagleBone Black: Leds are blinking but… 2: eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN qlen 1000
23:52<fling>tried to restart networking.
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