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00:19<Tema>Hello!
00:20<Tema>Sorry for the errors, I use a translator.
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00:26<Tema>is there anyone alive?
00:27<Tema>íà ðóññêîì êòî íè áóäü ãîâîðèò?
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00:59<brimonk>Is it possible that someone could provide some tech support for me?
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02:07<brimonk>Is there anyone willing to help with some technical issues?
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02:09<rjsalts>brimonk: it would depend on what your issue was
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02:11<brimonk>Well,
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02:11<brimonk>It happens when i'm installing packages.
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02:12<brimonk>I stupidly stopped the apt-get autoremove while it was removing gnome because I didn't want to lose my gui.
02:12<brimonk>I actually "killed" dpkg,
02:13<brimonk>And now it gives me the same error.
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02:13<brimonk>brimonk@debian-lappytop:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
02:13<brimonk>[sudo] password for brimonk:
02:13<brimonk>Reading package lists... Done
02:13<brimonk>Building dependency tree
02:13<brimonk>Reading state information... Done
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02:13<SKB>well done
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02:14<brimonk>http://paste.debian.net/151225/
02:15<brimonk>So, if anyone could help me resolve that, that would be great.
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02:18<jm_>what do you see in /var/lib/dpkg/triggers (filenames)?
02:18<brimonk>give me a sec
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02:20<brimonk>http://paste.debian.net/151231/
02:20<brimonk>That is what I see.
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02:24<jm_>look at /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File and find the line with libglib2.0-0 or somesuch
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02:25<brimonk>How about if I just give you the whole file?
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02:25<jm_>not to me, use the paste site but I don't know if I will be able to figure it out
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02:26<brimonk>http://pastebin.com/fGxk8fzZ
02:27<brimonk>the debian paste thing was giving me troubles.
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02:30<jm_>I syspect something else is screwed since I have the same entries and it works fine
02:31<brimonk>Do you have any other ideas, or do know anyone else I could contact about that?
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02:32<jm_>wait here for someone else to reply, or ask on the mailing list
02:32<brimonk>how do I ask on the mailing list?
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02:34<jm_>!ask
02:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:35<jm_>you have the address there
02:35<brimonk>Thank you.
02:35<brimonk>New to debian.
02:35<jm_>https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
02:35<jm_>more details there
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02:37<jm_>which version of dpkg is installed btw?
02:37<brimonk>How do I find out?
02:37<brimonk>It's cat something, right?
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02:38<jm_>dpkg -s dpkg
02:38<dpkg>You Fool! dpkg is installed!
02:39<brimonk>And, do I just send an email to debian-dpkg@lists.debian.org?
02:39<jm_>no, the address is debian-user@lists.debian.org as mentioned above, but read the help on the web page first
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02:43<brimonk>how do I find what debian version I have?
02:43<jm_>uhm I just told you
02:43<brimonk>derrrr
02:44<brimonk>Sorry
02:44<brimonk>It's late, and I just want to fix this.
02:44<jm_>ahh no, that was for dpkg, sorry - cat /etc/debian_version
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02:47<brimonk>Last question: will the potential solutions just show up in my inbox?
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02:49<brimonk>I say potential solutions, but like, replies?
02:49<jm_>if someone knows and everything works then probably
02:49<jm_>did you find out your dpkg version?
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02:50<brimonk>1.616.15
02:50<brimonk>dsafhdiasu
02:50<brimonk>1.16.15
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02:51<jm_>yeah that's ok, I looked in the code and that one should be able to parse libglib2.0-0:amd64
02:52<brimonk>I would reinstall it, but it won't allow me to.
02:52<brimonk>Like, I don't know of any other way to install packages other than using dpkg.
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02:53<brimonk>Another question:
02:54<jm_>well one option would be to remove the triggers file, but you will eventually want to fix that
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02:54<brimonk>Can I just like, remove it, then rebuild it or something?
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02:55<jm_>what are you referring to with "it"?
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02:55<kapil>hi
02:55<brimonk>/var/lib/whateverisinthemiddles/triggers
02:55<brimonk>I think it's in there.
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02:58<jm_>the file is updated when packages are installed that need this functionallity
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03:02<brimonk>Well, thanks.
03:02<brimonk>I'm going to go to bed.
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03:04<ws_>ni hao
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03:42<pjfreedom>Hello I have a question if anyone isn't busy
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03:44<jm_>!ask
03:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:45<pjfreedom>Sorry most of the time I get in channels and no one is arround
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03:46<pjfreedom>I am currently running crunchbang linux which you may know is based off of debian. I wanted to ask if it I will need to worry about updates from the supported distro or if the direct debian updates will be fine for support.
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03:47<pjfreedom>The creator has just dropped support for this distro.
03:47<netuser>debian TR channel please
03:47<netuser>turkısh channel
03:48<pjfreedom>?
03:48<netuser>debian Turkish aid channel link
03:49<pjfreedom>Is that where I need to go?
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03:51<EmleyMoor>pjfreedom: No, I think that's what netuser seeks
03:51<netuser>yes
03:51<netuser>tuskısh user
03:52<EmleyMoor>As far as crunchbang goes, I have no idea whether there is a way to convert it into regular Debian (but suspect there isn't)
03:52<EmleyMoor>!tr
03:52<dpkg>[tr] t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
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03:52<netuser>I installed the debian but gnome desktop did not you help please
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03:53<EmleyMoor>netuser: What did it not?
03:53<pjfreedom>I would think it is possible being that in the /apt/source.list there is a crunchbang repository that says its compatible with debian but to use with caution
03:54<pjfreedom>What I wanted to do was to continue using it. But I am unsure if it will be safe to continue using without support.
03:55<netuser>I installed Debian CDs 1
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03:55<EmleyMoor>pjfreedom: Unfortunately it's probably something no-one here knows for sure or can support. I'd be looking for crunchbang community support if I were you...
03:55<netuser>türk yok mu türçe bilen
03:55<pjfreedom>alright thanks for your help
03:56<EmleyMoor>netuser: /server irc.freenode.net then /join #debian.tr
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03:56<netuser>black screen and the user name and password entered did not desktop
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03:57<EmleyMoor>"desktop" is not a verb. Because of the language issues between us, please do as I suggested a minuhe or so ago
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03:58<netuser>google translate skin is so much going on
03:59<EmleyMoor>netuser: You would do much better with a channel where Turkish is spoken, so please...
03:59<EmleyMoor>netuser: /server irc.freenode.net then /join #debian.tr
03:59<netuser>#debian.tr is also no one
04:01<EmleyMoor>netuser: Did you select the "Desktop" task? What kind of graphics chipset does your system have?
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04:02<netuser>that debian correct flow CD1 CD2 CD3 T y ... is going to confusion
04:02<netuser>Türk yok mu?
04:02<EmleyMoor>Your way of speaking English is very confusing too. If anyone here spoke Turkish I'm sure they'd have piped up by now.
04:03<netuser>yes
04:03<netuser>bye
04:03<EmleyMoor>Are you good at any other language?
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04:04<netuser>unluckily
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04:05<netuser>only Turkish
04:05<EmleyMoor>netuser: Did you select the "Desktop" task? What kind of graphics chipset does your system have?
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04:06<netuser>yes I choose desktop
04:06<EmleyMoor>... and?
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04:07<netuser>but I have a user name and password on black screen
04:08<netuser>... and / but I have a user name and password on black screen
04:08<EmleyMoor>Which is why I asked you the other question which you have so far not answered
04:08<EmleyMoor>(and describing what you see on the screen is not an answer to that question)
04:09<EmleyMoor>What kind of graphics chipset does your system have?
04:10<EmleyMoor>(if you can't answer that, it is almost certain that we can't help you further at this point)
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04:13<netuser>I think it will be thanks to google translate
04:13<netuser>bye
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04:51<peter1138>Hmm, /run and /run/lock are not tmpfs in my containers, and /run/lock has the wrong permissions :S
04:51<peter1138>+LXC
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05:41<hexa->Hi, how would I go about recompiling tinc from backports with debug symbols?
05:41<hexa->I have the source package in front of me
05:42<Maulkin>hexa-: Can't you just install tinc-dbg?
05:42<Maulkin>hexa-: That's got the debugging symbols in it
05:42<hexa->Maulkin: that package seemingly does not exist
05:43<Maulkin>Let me see...
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05:50<Maulkin>hexa-: you need to modify debian/rules in a similar way that's been done in sid. Or, I made you a backport: https://people.debian.org/~neilm/backports/
05:51<Maulkin>hexa-: (Please remember to check the signatures...)
05:51<hexa->Maulkin: I will, thank you
05:51<Maulkin>hexa-: No problems
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06:24<rioth>hello
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06:24<rioth>is there a chat on security ?
06:25<webkote>hello)
06:25<rioth>i'm making crazy for finding it
06:26<webkote>i dont know
06:26<centrx>rioth, General security? ##security or ##networking on irc.freenode.net
06:26<rioth>Dos specifically
06:26<rioth>i will see that
06:27<rioth>tnk
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06:29<webkote>centrx, can You please suggest some chat room for linux developers?
06:30<centrx>webkote, Usually development channels are focused on a specific language, e.g. ##c on Freenode
06:30<centrx>webkote, There is also a general ##programming, and a general ##linux room which is mostly not development-related I think
06:31<webkote>centrx, I mean c++
06:31<centrx>eww
06:31<centrx>yeah there's a ##c++ channel on Freenode
06:32<webkote>centrx, thank You)
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06:42<OldOneEye>need help getting steam working on debian
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06:52<at0m>hmm ...can't seem to find hexchat in any repo ...anybody have a clue?
06:52<centrx>,v hexchat
06:52<judd>Package: hexchat on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1; sid: 2.10.1-2
06:52<soar>in Jessie, GNOME runs fairly slower than KDE.
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06:53<centrx>dpkg, tell OldOneEye about ask
06:53<soar>gdm is also slower than kdm
06:53<soar>I got to switch my desktop environment from GNOME to XFCE and KDE
06:53<centrx>dpkg, tell at0m about wheezy-backports
06:54<OldOneEye>ask steam
06:54<OldOneEye>i have a problem with steam
06:55<OldOneEye>,v steam
06:55<judd>Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; experimental/non-free: 1.0.0.49-2
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06:55<centrx>soar, Wise move. There's also LXDE and plain window managers without "Desktop Environment"
06:55<at0m>thanks centrx ...onya dpkg ...ah I know - my backports was ahem 'edited'
06:56<OldOneEye>anyone able to help me with steam
06:56<centrx>OldOneEye, You haven't asked any question about it
06:56<centrx>OldOneEye, https://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html
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06:58<OldOneEye>steam wont run on gnome debian
06:58<e283441>LIST
06:58<centrx>OldOneEye, Best way to use steam on Debian is: upgrade to jessie (pre-release Debian 8)
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07:02<at0m>soar and centrx: agree re gdm v kdm ...but gdm on wheezy is what I got working 'just so' and don't want to go through all the rigmarole
07:03<at0m>of changing..
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07:15<SynrGy>OldOneEye: i agree with centrx. i have amd64 and steam running there fine (well, sid, but it's reported to work on jessie too).
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07:15<SynrGy>OldOneEye: if you've mixed in steam from non-Debian sources, we can't support that.
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07:29<OldOneEye>still cant get it working
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07:29<centrx>You don't appear to have tried anything at all
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07:30<OldOneEye>i have run over google
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07:31<OldOneEye>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of steam-launcher:
07:31<dpkg>oldoneeye: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
07:31<OldOneEye> steam-launcher depends on libc6 (>= 2.15); however:
07:31<OldOneEye> Version of libc6:amd64 on system is 2.13-38+deb7u7.
07:32<OldOneEye>sorry
07:32<jm_>steam-launcher is not a debian package, we don't support that here
07:33<jm_>like explainer earlier, upgrade to jessie and use debian steam package
07:33<jm_>explained*
07:34<OldOneEye>any advantage to jessie?
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07:34<OldOneEye>and disadvantage
07:34<centrx>It has steam
07:34<centrx>It does not necessarily get prompt security updates until release
07:35<OldOneEye>but it does get patched right?
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07:35<centrx>Yes
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07:36<OldOneEye>how i upgrade to jessie
07:36<centrx>!wheezy->jessie
07:37<OldOneEye>!wheezy->jessie
07:37<centrx>dpkg: wheezy->jessie
07:37<centrx>anyway, just ask the bot directly
07:37<OldOneEye>dpkg wheezy->jessie
07:37<dpkg>Remember that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support to be cautious; ask me about <testing security>. (1) READ THE RELEASE NOTES: http://deb.li/ldcj (2) From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
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07:55<OldOneEye>wats the source.list link for installing jockey-common
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07:56<centrx>OldOneEye, That looks like the name of an old Ubuntu package, not in Debian and no longer in Ubuntu either
07:56<OldOneEye>well i followed the steps
07:57<centrx>OldOneEye, Stick with the packages available in Debian to avoid problems
07:57<centrx>What steps
07:57<OldOneEye>on apt-get dist-upgrade i get error
07:57<centrx>Okay that's because you have some mixed-up Frankendebian already
07:57<OldOneEye>i updated my sources file
07:57<centrx>Uninstall the packages that cause problems
07:57<centrx>!frankendebian
07:57<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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07:58<OldOneEye>ok how do i fresh install jessie is there an iso?
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07:59<centrx>OldOneEye, https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
07:59<OldOneEye>ok thanx
07:59<OldOneEye>i may have fixed hold up
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08:35<piero>mune il guardiano della< una
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09:42<er4z0r>is there a way to just unpack a source pacakge without applying the patches? (with dpg-source)
09:43<er4z0r>i.e. I would like the directory structure to be created but not the patches to be applied
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09:43<er4z0r>dpkg-source -x automatically applies patches
09:45<viccuad>Guys, do you have any problem connecting by SMTP with the mutt debian package?
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09:46<viccuad>my mutt connects, but asks again for username and password, even if it is all in the muttrc, and IMAP works. If someone wants to give it a try, with my test email account, here is the muttrc: http://paste.debian.net/151504/
09:47<viccuad>thanks in advance
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09:56<centrx>er4z0r, When you do apt-get source, there is an .orig tarball
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09:56<er4z0r>centrx: yeah, just saw it thx
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10:00<antonio>probando
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10:55<KingOfDos>any suggestions on i915 issues with wheezy and jessie on a Intel Broadwell-U? http://pastebin.com/uCmpx08K
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10:57<KingOfDos>draws correct on 3200x1800 for a few secs, then turns to blank-screen (with leds/backlight on). if i'd login to my terminal, then 'startx'. draws stuff correctly for a very short time (0.whatever sec)
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10:58<KingOfDos>correctly redrawn when it wakes up from dpms-powerdown/sleep. and then it vanishes
10:58<KingOfDos>if i'll blacklist i915 the console at least works.
10:58<KingOfDos>tried 'a lot' of bootparameters which could influence the i915 driver. but no luck so far.
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11:06<swizgard>hi. does anyone have the ip of wiki.debian.org handily? my dns-server does not resolve it on a regular basis
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11:08<swizgard>ok. tor fixes this
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11:12<sam_>you may also use public dns addresses such as 8.8.8.8
11:12<gaffa>isn't that google?
11:12<sam_>yes
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11:14<sam_>setting 8.8.8.8 also helps if set as an alternate dns address
11:15<lasagn4>there is active and inactive ram memory, does inactive become active again or how does debian deal with inactive memory why doesn't it just become free memory?
11:15<jelly>/exec -o dig +short wiki.debian.org
11:15<jelly>wilder.debian.org.
11:15<jelly>82.195.75.112
11:15<jelly>swizgard: ^^
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11:17<petn-randall>lasagn4: What do you mean with inactive RAM?
11:17<lasagn4>inactive memory
11:17<lasagn4>vmstat -s shows it inactive
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11:19<gaffa>jelly; good that someone actually answered the question :o|
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11:23<mkol_ssn>anyone install dropbox for debian? if so did it cause any problems?
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11:35<swizgard>jelly: thank you!
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11:48<petn-randall>!tell mkol_ssn -about anyone
11:49<petn-randall>mkol_ssn: It's better to ask your actual question.
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12:54<guardian>hello, I believe gcc-4.9-base was installed as a dependency of dkms. Then I removed dkms and did apt-get autoremove. gcc is still here
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12:54<guardian>how can I know which package still depends on gcc?
12:55<guardian>also, is it possible apt-get autoremove misses packages to uninstall?
12:55<centrx>autoremove will not remove packages if you e.g. manually typed apt-get install gcc one time
12:56<guardian>ok, so if I apt-get install dkms, then apt-get purge dkms --> then apt-get autoremove will let gcc installed
12:56<guardian>but if I do apt-get purge --auto-remove dkms, then gcc will be uninstalled
12:56<guardian>did I get it right?
12:57<centrx>apt-get autoremove should remove gcc in both cases, unless gcc was explicitly marked for installation, or as you said, there may be other dependencies
12:57<centrx>guardian, gcc is actually a Required package apparently, so it won't be removed naturally probably
12:58<guardian>when I install jessie rc1, without standard tools (tasksel), then I don't have gcc
12:58<guardian>doesn't seem to be required
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12:59<jelly>centrx: umm... gcc is Priority: optional
12:59<centrx>gcc-4.9-base
13:00<guardian>well got to go, but I experienced the following: built a jessie vagrant box with packer
13:00<guardian>when I vagrant ssh -> I can invoke gcc
13:00<guardian>inside vagrant ssh, apt-get autoremove removes nothing
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13:00<guardian>so I did apt-get install dkms
13:00<guardian>then apt-get purge --auto-remove dkms
13:00<guardian>and now gcc is gone
13:01<jelly>guardian: so whatever vagrant does, apparently does not include doing an autoremove pass
13:02<guardian>I'm the one who control this
13:02<guardian>through packer, I do a preseeded jessie install, then I launch provisioning scripts with the help of packer
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13:03<guardian>one of the scripts builds vboxguestadditions: do achieve that I do apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) dkms
13:03<guardian>and then the script does apt-get purge -y linux-headers-$(uname -r) dkms
13:03<guardian>this apparently leaves gcc installed
13:03<guardian>I'll try to reproduce these steps outside of packer automation, to figure out what's going on exactly
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13:11<IAmMe>hi, I'm having problems with an NFS setup. I can't write on it from the client unless i'm root, i have tried both the no_root_squash and the no_all_squash options already.
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13:12<IAmMe>Actually, i can write on it, but only on the lowest mounted directory (/mnt/shared) any subdirectories are not writtable. it does work from another machine though.
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13:15<jelly>guardian: that's expected behaviour.
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13:17<jelly>guardian: use --auto-remove with that purge, or run "apt-get autoremove" afterwards as a separate step, or set up APT::Get::AutomaticRemove appropriately
13:17<jelly>or use aptitude :-) which does autoremoval by default
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13:33<IAmMe>OK, this is frustrating i tried restarting nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server and rerun exportfs -rav. add both username and UID to the "nogroup" but still get premission denied when writting.
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13:38<anonymous>Was going on World!
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14:14<guardian>jelly: apt-rdepends gcc-4.9-base doesn't seem to indicate gcc-4.9-base is a dependence of anything, and apt-get autoremove doesn't remove it
14:14<guardian>jelly: is there something I didn't get?
14:14<jelly>guardian: gcc-4.9-base was there all along, there's no reason (and no simple way) to remove it at all
14:15<guardian>oh
14:16<jelly>it basically just provides one directory (per architecture)
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14:19<guardian>is there an easy way to query which installed packages have make as a dependency?
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14:22<ingit>how are you?
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14:26<guardian>jelly: so well, gcc was a bad example. but I just tried a jessie install from scratch: make is not installed
14:26<guardian>jelly: when I vagrant ssh, make is available. apt-get autoremove removes nothing. and apt-get purge --auto-remove make only removes make, without removing anything that would depend on make
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14:27<jelly>guardian: do you have logs of what exactly "vagrant ssh" does?
14:27<jelly>commands and their outputs?
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14:28<jelly>guardian: if a package is satisfying a previously unfulfilled Recommends:, auto-remove will skip it
14:28<jelly>guardian: "aptitude why make" may show some clues
14:30<guardian>jelly: http://pastebin.com/GFEyXkNr
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14:32<jelly>guardian: um, I asked for "vagrant ssh". Or "aptitude why make"
14:32<guardian>vagrant ssh doesn't do something special beside apt-get update
14:32<guardian>but thanks for aptitude why. I installed aptitude and it tells perl suggests make
14:33<jelly>suggests shouldn't make auto-remove ignore it
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14:33<jelly>surely "vagrant ssh" goes and installs stuff, in addition to that update?
14:33<guardian>http://pastebin.com/LSGpZtPK
14:33<jelly>are you starting from base system?
14:34<guardian>I made the vagrant basebox
14:35<guardian>the preseed jessie install is very slim, I don't even install tasksel standard packages
14:35<guardian>then I compile virtualbox guest additions: by installing with linux-headers, build-essential, dkms; then building vbox guest additions; then removing just packages just installed
14:35<blast007>'aptitude show make' would show if make was automatically installed or not
14:36<guardian>Automatically installed: yes
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14:37<retrospectacus>try removing it
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14:38<guardian>retrospectacus: see http://pastebin.com/GFEyXkNr, when I remove it, only make is removed, nothing else
14:39<retrospectacus>you're just wondering why autoremove didn't remove it?
14:39<guardian>yes
14:40<retrospectacus>because perl recommends it
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14:42<blast007>retrospectacus: it actually 'suggests' make
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14:42<retrospectacus>oh yeah
14:44<guardian>so?
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14:45<retrospectacus>well, I don't know. It doesn't seem like something worth thinking about :)
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14:53<guardian>well I'm trying to reduce the footprint of this basebox
14:53<guardian>what I'm asking for make applies for e.g. to cpp-4.9. removing it saves 20M
14:54<guardian>cpp-4.9 was also installed automatically
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14:56<retrospectacus>did you remove all of dkms's depends ?
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14:58<guardian>I did apt-get purge -y dkms build-essential
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14:58<guardian>I suspect I should have done apt-get purge -y --auto-remove dkms build-essential
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14:58<guardian>otherwise a later pass of apt-get autoremove leaves make, cpp-49, etc behind
14:59<retrospectacus>I'm not sure why that would make a difference
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14:59<guardian>so I just tested this on a fresh jessie
14:59<guardian>apt-get install build-essential
14:59<guardian>this installs lots of things
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14:59<guardian>apt-get purge -y --auto-remove build-essential -> this removes only the meta package
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15:01<snela>where is polish room?
15:01<retrospectacus>let me try that on wheezy
15:01<AberHatschi>and after reboot and again apt-get update && apt-get upgrade you become the message more than one things not more needed take autoremove
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15:02<retrospectacus>snela: it supposed to be #debian.pl on Freenode but no-one is there. You will have to ask here in English.
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15:02<guardian>retrospectacus: seems that I want apt-get autoremove --purge
15:03<snela>thanks retro...
15:03<guardian>well no that doesn't remove everything
15:03<guardian>that doesn't remove everything installed by the build-essential meta package
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15:04<retrospectacus>guardian: yes, it looks like --auto-remove flag on apt-get purge doesn't do anything
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15:04<retrospectacus>and additionally, apt-get autoremove doesn't remove everything auto-installed by build-essential
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15:05<AberHatschi>why does it for me
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15:15<retrospectacus>hmm this is because I have dkms. It depends make | build-essential | dpkg-dev
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15:15<retrospectacus>it had make before. Performing this test switched to dpkg-dev
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15:18<guardian>it doesn't seem to be any easy way to install meta package -> remove everything that was just installed
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15:20<retrospectacus>I guess not. You'd have to parse the list of auto-installed things and remove them.
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15:21<guardian>yes
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15:27<jla>peter1138: Do you have lxc-halt working? I get the telinit timeout opening/writing control channel error. If I drop sys_admin cap it shuts down, but /run doesn't populate so I don't have networking.
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15:28<peter1138>I drop sys_admin cap and set up networking via the container configuration, rather than interfaces
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15:29<jla>Are your containers pretty small/specific or do any of them act like virtualized full systems? I loose a lot mroe than just /run/network from /run without sys_admin
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15:30<jla>My containers are basically migrated long ago from linux-vserver. LXC has been better on many counts but still some glitches like this. Maybe I should let it ride until Jessie
15:30<peter1138>I have /run/network, but it's not a tmpfs
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15:31<peter1138>(Neither is /run)
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15:31<peter1138>So... probably not right :S
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15:33<jla>Ah, right. Maybe not using tempfs for /run would be a work-around
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15:34<jla>or putting /run in lxc.mount.entry
15:35<peter1138>With vservers in the past I managed to have the whole machine shutdown when a guest was shutdown...
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15:36<jla>I think I have done that too. For whatever reason I haven't done that with LXC, yet. Must be some config I've set. I just want lxc-halt to go to init 0 so things have a chance to exit cleanly
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15:38<peter1138>Yeah, without sys_admin dropped it didn't work for me. Maybe there's something in the guest that needs fiddling with.
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15:38<jla>one message I read said linux kernel 3.4+ makes this better, and I hope lxc 1.0 also makes things better.
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15:39<peter1138>Hope so :)
15:40<guardian>retrospectacus: I don't know apt-get or dpkg enough yet. Wish there was a combo that would output a list of packages that would be automatically installed. I would store that in a variable of my shell script for further removal
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15:42<retrospectacus>just look it up now and put them specifically in your script
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15:43<AberHatschi>guardian, wait a little i have the list in a minute
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15:47<guardian>retrospectacus: yeah that's a solution
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15:47<guardian>I also installed localepurge. But when I do sudo localepurge, size of /usr/share remains unchanged
15:47<smokejohn>hello guys. On which channel do you think I should seek for some installtion procedure advice?
15:48<retrospectacus>smokejohn: installation of Debian? Here.
15:48<AberHatschi>guardian, i hope that is wat you need http://paste.debian.net/151745
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15:49<guardian>well no :) I wanted to know which dpkg or apt command is the best suited to help parsing packages that would be automaticlaly installed upon apt-get install meta-package invocation :)
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15:50<AberHatschi>ahh ok
15:50<smokejohn>retrospectacus: Yes. I got a laptop with a non working cdreader. I had a spare usb cdreader which gives me errors. So I cannot boot from a cd. I am checking out the alternatives. Ow and usb booting is not supported on that laptop. HP Compaq 6710s
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15:52<retrospectacus>smokejohn: you could look into debootstrap and moving the hard drive around
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15:54<retrospectacus>(debootstrap, or the installer again on a machine with working CDrom if you don't already have linux)
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15:56<smokejohn>retrospectacus: the harddrive is totally empty. I bought a new one cause the previous had crashed
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15:58<jla>peter1138: I was able to mount tmpfs for /run and /tmp from lxc.mount.entry (I had to give full paths) but doing the same for /run/lock and /run/shm didn't work since those paths didn't exist yet. One of those cases where the guest OS plays nicer with hardware or VM than it does with chroot container.
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16:05<jla>This gives me interface control from inside the container. Oddly telinit timeout is back. I think I'm going to revert and throw in the towel for now
16:06<Mad-hacker>hi
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16:28<Quozl`_>what is a tool that can take a script(1) log file and strip out all the progress markers, leaving what would be seen in a terminal scrollback buffer?
16:30<retrospectacus>probably grep
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16:32<Aquarius>I can not get Java to work on Debian Wheezy Iceweasel. Tried lots of descriptions on sites, debian java pages, java site itself. Anyone for help?
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16:48<guilherme>hi, I bougth a wireless headset, it is already paired and I can see it on the multimidia configurations, however I cannot get any sound of it.
16:49<guilherme>I am using the Debian sid and there is no bluez-audio package
16:49*SamB_laptop waits for https://www.debian.org/security/2015/dsa-3162 exist ...
16:49<SamB_laptop>+to
16:52<guilherme>everytime I try test on the device the sound goes to my main card
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16:57<SamB_laptop>guilherme: huh, that's strange; wheezy has bluez-alsa and bluez-gstreamer but they've vanished without a trace in jessie ...
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16:59<guilherme>uhm, Is it possible that another package have those features?
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17:00<SamB_laptop>it's possible, yes, but I'd have expected a transitional package
17:00<guilherme>uhm, ok
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17:02<guilherme>In my specifc case, what should I do? install the old packages?
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17:04<SamB_laptop>well, you've installed "bluez" already, right?
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17:06<guilherme>yes
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17:06<guilherme>bluez, bluez-obexd, bluez-tools and bluez-firmware
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17:36<SamB_laptop>guildenstern: perhaps pulseaudio-module-bluetooth is what you want?
17:37<guildenstern>what
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17:38<SamB_laptop>er\
17:38<SamB_laptop>sorry, need to read more letters ....
17:38<SamB_laptop>meant that for guilherme
17:38<SamB_laptop>who isn't here anymore
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17:54<valdyn>SamB_laptop: old bluez supported alsa, new bluetooth stack works with pulseaudio. Pulseaudio doesnt have the bluetooth module loaded by default iirc
17:55<valdyn>SamB_laptop: so theres probably no transitional package because those old features are not supported
17:55<SamB_laptop>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=757731 doesn't look nice :-(
17:55<pangolinrollin>best way to setup encrypted ssd install? don't wanna use lvm cause it'll just be one drive one partition minus the swap
17:56<valdyn>SamB_laptop: yes, probably one reason why debian held back the upgrade for a very long time
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18:09<SamB_laptop>hmm, sounds like pulseaudio did eventually implement HSP/HFP though ...
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18:17<guardian>is there a way to uninstall or prevent installation of most /usr/share/locale content? I want to keep only what's related to en_US.UTF-8
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18:18<SamB_laptop>guardian: it's pretty nasty, but there is localepurge
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18:20<guardian>why is it nasty?
18:20<SamB_laptop>which is to say, I feel obligated to point out that there are some important warnings
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18:20<SamB_laptop>I think if you just read the package description and pay attention during installation, you should be sufficiently warned
18:21<SamB_laptop>I suppose "crude" would be more accurate than "nasty"
18:21<guardian>well since you mentioned it, I installed it
18:22<guardian>and... sudo localpurge does nothing, returns with exit code 0
18:22<SamB_laptop>that's normal; it's supposed to run during package installs
18:23<SamB_laptop>did it grill you on how you wanted to configure it yet?
18:23<guardian>ok, so after /usr/share/locale has been populated with files in many languages, there's no option but manual removal?
18:23<SamB_laptop>you might need to do "dpkg-reconfigure localepurge" to configure it
18:24<guardian>fresh minimal jessie install has 75MB of files in /usr/share/locale. I would like to reduce that
18:24<SamB_laptop>then it should go ahead and strip out what you don't want
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18:25<guardian>I chose to keep what's preselected from /etc/locale.gen then I chose to use dpkg --path-exclude
18:26<guardian>then it tells /etc/locale.nopurge has been created
18:26<guardian>and when I sudo localepurge nothing happens
18:26<SamB_laptop>hmm
18:26<SamB_laptop>maybe you should switch it temporarily to the "rm the files after installing" mode
18:27<SamB_laptop>I assume you reviewed /etc/locale.nopurge and/or /etc/locale.gen to make sure they say what you want?
18:28<guardian>yes
18:28<SamB_laptop>anyway, if you switch it out of the dpkg --path-exclude mode, it'll merilly go and delete stuff that's already in the filesystem
18:29<guardian>damn
18:29<guardian>so actually, USE_DPKG means launching localepurge does nothing
18:30<guardian>should have read more carefuly
18:30<guardian>so default install options imply launching sudo localepurge won't do anything
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18:43<SamB_laptop>guardian: you can, of course, switch it back to that mode afterwards
18:44<SamB_laptop>and obviously if the current behaviour of a new install of localepurge is broken, reportbug it
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18:49<guardian>no it doesn't seem to be broken, it's just not obvious what it's doing when use-dpkg-feature=yes (imho)
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18:49<guardian>I'm doing
18:49<guardian>VISUAL="sed -i -e '/use-dpkg-feature/ s/yes/no/'" dpkg-reconfigure -f editor localepurge
18:49<guardian>then I launch localpurge and then I switch it back to yes with the same method
18:49<guardian>works well enough
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18:50<SamB_laptop>guardian: well, it might be better if it would also offer to delete already-existing files, no?
18:51<guardian>the way it currently works is actually documented in /usr/share/doc/localepurge
18:51<guardian>so I think it's intended
18:51<guardian>not a bug
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18:52<SamB_laptop>I'm just not sure the intended behaviour was thought through all that well ;-)
18:52<SamB_laptop>I personally haven't done any fresh installs of localepurge since that mode was added, so I never had any trouble there
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18:56<guardian>it doesn't seem to purge /usr/share/i18n though
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19:49<rjsalts>what in the kernel determines what the clientaddr address will be on the client. I'm specifying the option at the command line (mount -o clientaddr=192.0.2.11 nfshost:/share /path/to/mount)
19:49<rjsalts>but it's coming up with a different ip
19:50<rjsalts>is there anything in the kernel that caches this?
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19:52<retrospectacus>does your PC actually own that IP ? (surely not 192.0.2.11 for real... that is reserved)
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20:13<Old0neEye>mouse pointer not showing on login screen debian jessie but appears after login
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20:42<Ethan>When adding backports to my APT sources, will it work if instead of putting "wheezy-backports" in my sources list I put "stable-backports"?
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21:23<Timo_>I made a program can I add it to the Debian repository?
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21:32<sney>Timo_: if you can prove that there is demand for it. read https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ and https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
21:33<Timo_>oh cool, thanks
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21:34<sney>also be aware that even if there is demand, new packages are not being processed right now, so you have some time to get it right.
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21:35<Timo_>that's ok
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22:11<Dynasty>Hey there, had a Debian set up question!
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22:13<Dynasty>I made an encrypted Debian OS with a USB key to access, and right now I'm trying to create a key file to put onto the hard drive to eliminate the root user. When I type the command to make the key into the root terminal and press enter, I wait but nothing ever pops up indicating the key is made. What do I do?
22:13<Dynasty>the command line I enter is as follows: dd if=/dev/random of=/keyfile bs=1 count=4096
22:14<Dynasty>Can anyone spot my issue?
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22:16<retrospectacus>it will take a while for random to make that much data. Use urandom
22:16<retrospectacus>press ctrl-C and dd will tell you how many bytes it got
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22:18<Dynasty>urandom worked :) thanks a lot!
22:19<retrospectacus>good luck
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