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00:29<quietone>user can't mount a 1TB external drive. error msg points to info a tuxera.com, tried that still not working.
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01:23<JSavage>Hello.
01:24<JSavage>Can anyone confirm whether punycode.c and punycode.h in Libidn are Free or not?
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01:31<themill>You would normally state why you think it might not be, not go on a fishing expedition for each of the 10 million files in source packages...
01:32<JSavage>"...derivative works
01:32<JSavage>that comment on or otherwise explain it or assist in its
01:32<JSavage>implementation may be prepared, copied, published, and
01:32<JSavage>distributed..."
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01:33<JSavage>Woop.s
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01:33<JSavage>It seems to limit modification to works that "comment on or otherwise explain it or assist in its implementation".
01:34<JSavage>However, that might not be referring to the code itself. I think the code is from an RFC and code from RFCs are automatically licensed under one of the BSD licenses.
01:36<themill>That is not the license under which the RFC is actually placed either. Selective quoting gets you nowhere
01:37<JSavage>themill: I'm not sure where you think I want to go, but all I want to do is clarify the license of it.
01:38<themill>The licence is pretty clearly stated in both the files themselves and in the RFC.
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02:03<domovoy> i'm trying to compile a kernel for a marvell 88F5281 (arm). I'm under debian sid i386. I've seen https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains. Trouble is, i can't install crossbuild-essential-armhf (the wiki says its available on sid, but it seems to be only available on experimental), or either gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabihf (only for amd64). any idea where to go from here?
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02:10<revisionism>hi polyphagia
02:10<polyphagia>hi revisionism
02:10<polyphagia>idk why i stopped being here
02:10<revisionism>how are you friend
02:10<polyphagia>gr8 hru
02:11<revisionism>im good
02:11<revisionism>:)
02:11<polyphagia>:)
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02:36<Oldstoat>am i in the right place to ask about raid 6 on dell 420 poweredge?
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02:54<jm_>Oldstoat: this channel is for help with debian
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02:55<Oldstoat>tnx jm_ i've installed wheezy 7.8 on a dell and don't know if i need to configure raid in RAID bios or using lsi utility or both
02:57<jm_>Oldstoat: if it's a proper hardware raid controller then do it in its BIOS, otherwise it's better to use kernel's RAID support
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02:59<Oldstoat>thnx jm! proper 710Perc controller... I had thought that dell had set it up prior to shipping. I guess another serveroom visit is required
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03:42<mejo>hi. on a new jessie system, apache2 is reloaded every morning at 06:44 am by systemd. first I thought that logrotate would be the reason but that one is run at 06:25 am and the output of 'service apache2 reload' is redirected to /dev/null. any thoughts on why systemd reloads apache every morning?
03:43<SamB_laptop>is that a cronjob?
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03:44<TeslasMHD>Good morning.
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04:09<moody_>hello
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04:14<Noel_>I have problems installing PHP5-FPM
04:14<Noel_>It says that he has unmet dependecies
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04:16<mejo>SamB_laptop: no, according to syslog not a cronjob.
04:16<hadret>Noel_: paste output to some paste service and provide the link
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04:19<Noel_>http://pastebin.com/R0g3HUeq
04:20<Noel_>brb
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04:22<hadret>Noel_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list as well
04:22<Noel_>back to pc
04:22<Noel_>ok one mom pls
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04:23<jm_>!bat
04:23<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
04:23<jm_>Noel_: see above for the information needed
04:23<Noel_>http://pastebin.com/S3DFJuiy
04:24<polyphagia>oh no
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04:25<Noel_>which package should i get the source? php or the dependecies?
04:25<jm_>php5-fpm is not in squeeze
04:25<Noel_>*from
04:26<Noel_>ok which apt source has it
04:26<polyphagia>does using wheezy's security's repo in a squeeze install mess it up too?
04:26<polyphagia>or is that ok
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04:27<jm_>definitely not ok
04:27<polyphagia>ye so that's another problem then in that file?
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04:28<Noel_>should i delete the wheezy source?
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04:29<polyphagia>you should probably upgrade from squeeze to wheezy
04:29<Noel_>how?
04:32<polyphagia>is this a new server or one you've been using for a while Noel_
04:32<Noel_>new server
04:32<Noel_>smb installed it yesterday
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04:33<polyphagia>ok well you'll probably be fine with switching squeeze to wheezy in /etc/apt/sources.list and running apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
04:35<amikot>hello, I have used netinstall of wheezy and I have got verry simple install of console linux, after installing kde-plasma-desktop, i have no sound at all. What need I to install to get sound working ?
04:35<polyphagia>Noel_: might want to run apt-get upgrade before you do dist-upgrade
04:36<mejo>ok, after all the apache2 reloads are triggered by logrotate as I first thought. the difference is, that in jessie with systemd these reloads are logged to syslog while in wheezy with rsyslog, they're only logged to the apache2 error log.
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04:37<mejo>i added the relevant logcheck ignore-rules for systemd and apache2 now.
04:37<Noel_>my debian doesn't know the cmd dist-upgrade ^^
04:37<jm_>amikot: are sound drivers loaded?
04:37<polyphagia>apt-get dist-upgrade
04:37<amikot>jm_, how check this ?
04:38<amikot>in phonon i see devices ....
04:38<Noel_>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed blablabla
04:38<Noel_>no changes
04:38<polyphagia>you ran apt-get update?
04:38<jm_>amikot: cat /proc/asound/cards or aplay -L
04:38<Noel_>yes
04:38<polyphagia>Noel_: let's see your sources.list now
04:39<Noel_>one moment
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04:40<Noel_>http://pastebin.com/Si1QBR3Z
04:40<amikot>jm_: so ... drivers are loaded ... I dont have speaker on system tray ... and sound tetup tab in phonon is missing
04:41<amikot>*setup
04:41<polyphagia>Noel_: remove the last two lines
04:41<polyphagia>and replace squeeze with wheezy
04:41<polyphagia>in the first 3
04:41<Noel_>ok
04:41<jm_>amikot: how man cards does it show?
04:42<amikot> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
04:42<amikot> HDA Intel at 0xd2400000 irq 42
04:42<Noel_>ok done
04:42<Noel_>and updated
04:42<polyphagia>ok now you can do apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade
04:43<Noel_>i got it!
04:43<polyphagia>kk once it's done you'll be able to install php5-fpm since it's on wheezy
04:43<amikot>it looks that something happend during install ... i did similar instalations before ... and never had problem with sound ... only with network manager
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04:44<lachemou>hi
04:44<polyphagia>hi
04:44<Noel_>hi
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04:45<lachemou>can u help me plz ? my laptop do a DHCPRELEASE when i shutdown, i would like not release when shut but i can’t find where (sorry for my english i’m french)
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04:49<wick>lachemou: do you know about #debian-fr ? a secret way to get away with cross-posting is with two languages ;)
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04:50<lachemou>but more members here ;)
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05:09<lachemou>i just want to disable the dhcp release when my laptop is shutting down ;)
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05:42<amikot>hi im back ... now sound is working but i have problem with usb printer - there is no any signal when its pluged in
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05:44<devrikx>If it is plugged into usb3 port, try plugging it into usb2 port instead
05:44<devrikx>is common cups issue
05:44<amikot>i dont have usb3 in my old laptop
05:45<amikot>its not cups issue ... this printer has no driver for linux ... i need see it to share it for virtualbox ... as on previeus instalation (kubuntu)
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05:46<devrikx>lsusb does not show your printer?
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05:46<amikot>ok it shows
05:46<amikot>so maybe something else than
05:46<devrikx>if you don't have usb3 then no I wouldn't imagine so - wanted to ensure that first
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05:47<devrikx>I'm not familiar with virtualbox -> or how it makes use of a printer
05:47<devrikx>but try lsusb in the virtual machine as well
05:47<devrikx>you will need a driver to share it though
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08:36<pietro>hello
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08:38<pietro>have a problem with gnome and mount/unmount hd external
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08:48<devil_>polyphagia: be specific
08:48<devil_>ups, sorry polyphagia
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08:59<Noel>I can't run a screen session at /etc/rc.local
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08:59<pietro>hi
08:59<Noel>hi
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08:59<pietro>have a problem with usb esternal
08:59<Guest355>The problem line: screen -AmdS bauserver /home/minecraft/Bauserver/remotestart.sh
08:59<Guest355>The other code runs perfectly and it finished with exit 0
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09:00<pietro>Guest355, use gnome?
09:00<Guest355>the remotestart.sh script works w/o screen
09:00<Guest355>debian squeeze w/o x server
09:00<Guest355>It's a server
09:02<Guest355>any suggestions?
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09:06<pietro>help me with permession
09:06<pietro>mount unmout usb stick
09:06<pietro>please
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09:09<petn-randall>pietro: Ask your question.
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09:10<devil_>pietro: as user: pmount /dev/foo
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09:12<pietro>Have a gnome and when i insert in usb stick works fine, but i saefty remove, not have a permession
09:12<pietro>only root???
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09:12<Guest355>i was afk sry
09:13<pietro>it's possibile umount and saefty remove in user?
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09:17<pietro_>it's possibile umount and saefty remove in user?
09:17<pietro_>i use gnome
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09:18<pietro_>only root ??
09:18<pietro_>please help me
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09:19<devil_>no idea on gnome
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09:22<pietro_>mmmmmm....
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09:23<petn-randall>pietro_: Which OS are you running?
09:23<pietro_>deb 7.8
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09:25<petn-randall>pietro_: What happens if you try to remove the disk safely? Do you get an error message?
09:25<pietro_>no
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09:25<pietro_>only root its possible why not a user??
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09:26<petn-randall>pietro_: Does it mount automatically when you click on the drive in the file manager? Or how do you mount the drive in the first place?
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09:27<pietro_>when i insert in usb works fine in file manager, but no remove saefty a user why?
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09:28<petn-randall>pietro_: Yeah, that's what we're trying to debug here. Can you paste the output of 'mount' to http://paste.debian.net?
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09:29<pietro_>umount: /dev/sdb1 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
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09:30<petn-randall>pietro_, can you provide what I asked for?
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09:30<pietro_>for saefty remove a sdb1
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09:32<pietro_>in gnome not possible saefty remove a usb in user??
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09:33<petn-randall>pietro_: Can you paste the output of 'mount' to http://paste.debian.net? If not, we're not going to get your problem solved.
09:33<pietro_>the mount is ok
09:33<pietro_>unmount a user no!!!
09:33<petn-randall>pietro_, ok good luck with your problem.
09:34<pietro_>petn-randall, why?
09:34<hiexpo>? I am running debian 7.8 with mate enviroment but my home folder for some reason has a different theme then the rest of the desktop
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09:35<petn-randall>pietro_: Why what? Nobody can help you if you don't provide the information you've been asked to provide.
09:36<petn-randall>pietro_: It might also be a language barrier. Maybe it makes more sense to ask in a channel in your native language. What is your native language?
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09:39<pietro_>ok thanks, if i don't know a server for my languages
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10:47<george>καλησπέρα
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10:47<Guest366>ο.κ
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12:04<rostam>HI when I issue apt-get upgrade, it reports one or more packages are kept back. What could be the cause of this? thanks
12:05<SynrGy>apt-get dist-upgrade instead?
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12:05<SynrGy>upgrade specifically does not try any removals. dist-upgrade if you want to allow removals
12:06<retrospectacus>also installation of NEW packages
12:06<SynrGy>if you're upgrading within testing or unstable, most of the time the removals need to happen anyway.
12:06<SynrGy>and dist-upgrade is always needed for stable -> stable+!
12:06<SynrGy>and dist-upgrade is always needed for stable -> stable+1
12:07<rostam>thanks for comments. So the reason a package is held back is because it needs to be removed? thx
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12:08<retrospectacus>rostam: it cannot be upgraded without installation/removal of some other package(s)
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12:08<retrospectacus>which "upgrade" does not do
12:08<rostam>retrospectacus, thanks I got it now.
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12:09<retrospectacus>you may invoke "apt-get install " on the package in question to find out why
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12:18<ixi>hmm
12:19<ixi>is it normally lvm inside dm-crypt or dm-crypt inside lvm
12:19<petn-randall>rostam: This *shouldn'* happen on a stable installation, though, so it's something I'd pay close attention to.
12:19<petn-randall>ixi: Usually It's RAID at the bottom, LUKS on top, and LVM on top of that.
12:20<rostam>petn-randall, that is a private package for our embedded system.
12:20<ixi>ok so the crypt before lvm
12:20<ixi>thanks
12:20<petn-randall>rostam: In that case you probably changed the dependencies?
12:20<petn-randall>ixi: Yes, you're welcome.
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12:22<rostam>petn-randall, most likely but unfortunately I do not have enough knowledge to know what I might have changed or how dependencies got impacted.
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13:30<mink>are we participating in gsoc15?
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13:35<dondelelcaro>mink: we've applied to participate
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13:35<dondelelcaro>mink: I'm not sure if we've been accepted yet.
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13:36<dondelelcaro>mink: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/02/msg00006.html
13:36<mink>thanks @dondelelcaro
13:36<dondelelcaro>no problem
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13:42<thatDUDE>hi guys, as i tried installing and running bitmask I got an error
13:42<sky>hi all
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13:42<thatDUDE>W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/wheeze/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found
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13:43<thatDUDE>can anyone point me to the right source?
13:43<thatDUDE>please
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13:45<retrospectacus>thatDUDE: "wheeze" is incorrect
13:46<retrospectacus>!wheeze
13:46<dpkg>Debian 7 <stable> is codenamed <wheezy>. The previous <oldstable> distribution, Debian 6.0, is codenamed <squeeze>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze".
13:46<nelly>help spanish ?
13:46<retrospectacus>!es
13:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
13:47<nelly>retrospectacus, thanks :(
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13:47<thatDUDE>retrospectacus "facepalm"
13:47<thatDUDE>thank you for spotting that
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13:47<nelly>no help #debian-es
13:47<retrospectacus>np
13:47<sky>hi all i need help
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13:48<retrospectacus>nelly: you can ask here in English
13:48<retrospectacus>sky: go on...
13:48<nelly>:( no english
13:48<sky>sru my english is bad
13:49<nelly>my engllish is very bad
13:49<sky>i real need help for scaning and snifing
13:49<sky>i want to clone cable modem
13:49<retrospectacus>sky: what version of Debian do you have?
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13:50<sky>i use kali linux
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13:50<sky>dembian source
13:50<retrospectacus>sky: this is #debian. Kali is *NOT* supported here.
13:50<retrospectacus>!kali
13:50<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:50<retrospectacus>sky: do not message me.
13:50<sky>yes
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13:50<sky>ok
13:50<sky>!kali
13:50<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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13:54<sky>sry admin i dint find kali irc
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13:55<retrospectacus>sky: change server to chat.freenode.net then join #kali-linux
13:55<sky>i am complite lol but i will fty
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14:00<nelly>support in #debian-es is bad
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14:02<retrospectacus>nelly: try #debian-es on chat.freenode.net - there are more people there
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14:04<nelly>retrospectacus, ok :)
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14:12<op-mow>hi
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14:12<op-mow>Helloooooo
14:13<retrospectacus>op-mow: yes, hello. Welcome to #debian. Please ask your Debian question.
14:13<op-mow>:v
14:13<DeNeDe>hey..
14:13<op-mow>Now Im In Elementary Os :v
14:13<DeNeDe>do you know when apache2.4 will be in stable repo ?
14:14<DeNeDe>i cant find any timeframe how the updates are working.. from testing to stable
14:14<retrospectacus>DeNeDe: when jessie is released
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14:15<retrospectacus>DeNeDe: packages do not ever go from testing to stable
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14:15<retrospectacus>op-mow: that OS is not supported here
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14:16<op-mow>i now i just testing Xchat :v
14:16<DeNeDe>isnt the roadmap unstable->testing->stable
14:16<DeNeDe>?
14:17<retrospectacus>op-mow: this channel is for Debian support. Test your program elsewhere.
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14:17<op-mow>Fuck u
14:17<retrospectacus>!ops op-mow
14:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: retrospectacus complains about: op-mow
14:17<deadeye_cf>Hi guys. How do I install Ubuntu Software Center on Debian?
14:17<op-mow>hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
14:17<retrospectacus>DeNeDe: not really. it goes sid->testing and testing eventaully becomes stable.
14:17<op-mow>good night
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14:18<DeNeDe>well.. i was wondering..because we have apache2.2.2 since last year
14:18<DeNeDe>and i need 2.2.4 minim to install a module
14:18<DeNeDe>it won't work on 2.2.2
14:19<retrospectacus>DeNeDe: then you need Jessie
14:19<retrospectacus>deadeye_cf: you don't.
14:19<DeNeDe>jessie is the testing repo,. no ?
14:19<deadeye_cf>retrospectacus, just because there is not such a package or what?
14:20<DeNeDe>ubuntu software center is for ubuntu
14:20<DeNeDe>dont u think ?
14:20<DeNeDe>:))
14:20<DeNeDe>the name says it all
14:20<retrospectacus>DeNeDe: jessie is the upcoming Debian release, currently being tested
14:20<deadeye_cf>DeNeDe, =(
14:21<DeNeDe>in the wiki.. wheezy is stable.. jessie is testing and sid is unstable
14:21<DeNeDe>that's what i've read
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14:21<devrikx>you can always just download the .deb you need from ubuntu to install the package on debian (or try) I'd imagine installing ubuntu's software center would be a bit pointless if even possible
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14:22<DeNeDe>i could use the testing repo and update apache.. but that won't be dangerous ? since it may have bugs ?
14:22<devrikx>nothing stopping you from trying
14:23<devrikx>dependencies might need to be updated though
14:23<friese>humm, testing is already quite stable now, it's freezed and only has a few rc-bugs now before becoming the new stable
14:23<devrikx>but 'dangerous' - I can't see that doing any hardware damage...worst I'd imagine is installer would fail
14:23<devrikx>jessie is awesome :)
14:24<SynrGy>devrikx: you don't mix jessie and wheezy, if that's what you were asking
14:24<friese>yep, though i'll better not say why - don't wanna start a flame war if you know what i mean :;)
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14:24<SynrGy>s/devrikx/DeNeDe /
14:24<SynrGy>sorry
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14:24<devrikx>no worries there
14:25<SynrGy>devrikx: you can't just "use the testing repo and update apache"
14:25<SynrGy>you need to upgrade completely from wheezy->jessie
14:25<SynrGy>stable/testing mix is unsupported.
14:25<devrikx>why not? I pulled gnome from jessie to wheezy in the past no problem
14:25<friese>well, you can (probably) but you shouldn't ;)
14:25<devrikx>not supported sure, but nothing is stopping you from doing it
14:25<DeNeDe>thats why it kept sayin it has been kept back from update ?
14:25<SynrGy>devrikx: let me put it this way. you can, but when you blow your foot off, we'll point and laugh
14:25<devrikx>yes that I know :)
14:25<devrikx>(synrgy)
14:26<SynrGy>so don't recommend it to anyone else, either
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14:26<devrikx>I wouldn't say I recommended that approach - I suggested it as another alternative
14:26<DeNeDe>so when jessie will be available ? 1 year ? 6 months ? already is ?
14:27<SynrGy>depends on what you mean by "be available"
14:27<devrikx>you can use it now denede
14:27<SynrGy>#debian-next is full of people who already use it
14:27<devrikx>I do have to jet - sorry for butting in and bouncing
14:27<SynrGy>we support it there.
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14:28<DeNeDe>i've tried to upgrade distro.. nothing happened.. said everything is up to date
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14:29<SynrGy>pinning, i guess
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14:29<DeNeDe>just want to try mod spdy.. http/2
14:30<SynrGy>if you are serious about making a complete switch to testing, we can help debug your apt-policy
14:30<SynrGy>but we should take it to #debian-next
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14:39<oldlaptop>,v software-center
14:39<judd>Package: software-center on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.7debian7; wheezy: 5.1.2debian3.1
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14:39<oldlaptop>aw, he left
14:39<sky_net>!kali
14:39<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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15:43<SynrG>oldlaptop: conspicuously absent from jessie, so i question the wisdom of pointing people towards it now
15:43<oldlaptop>yeah
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15:51<pangolinrollin>so had a headache.. figured out my swap is working with htop / free -m (it's encrypted sda3) but can't get conky to see it?
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15:56<nappy>what process is responsible to run the mouse on linux
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15:56<birch>usb? built in? ps/2?
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15:56<birch>nappy, ^
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16:07<jhutchins>nappy: Are you asking the same question on another network?
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16:11<nappy>nope no that
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16:12<nappy>jhutchins: nope
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16:13<jhutchins>nappy: Curious. Someone else is then.
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16:15<jhutchins>nappy: What are you actually trying to do?
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16:23<nappy>i want to know what process in linux governs the mouse
16:24<centrx>nappy, The X Window System handles mouse events?
16:24<centrx>nappy, or gpm on the console
16:24<retrospectacus>your hand governs the mouse
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16:24<centrx>the process is called "hand-eye coordination"
16:25<nappy>ok
16:25<retrospectacus>ask your real question
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16:41<nappy>what reason supports the recommendation of 100 to 200Mb for the bot partition on linux?
16:42<dondelelcaro>nappy: it needs to be large enough to hold at least two, possibly three kernels.
16:43<nappy>ow large can a standard kernel be?
16:43<dondelelcaro>nappy: figure 20-30M, but they keep getting larger.
16:44<dondelelcaro>plus, you might want to stick a bios update cd on /boot, or similar at some point in time
16:44<dondelelcaro>of course, nowadays, there's not as much reason to have a separate /boot
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16:56<nappy>how does linux bring about the multiuser property
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16:57<nyx>hello, what's the easiest/fastest way to backup my debian installation so that after an apt-get update I can go back if something breaks?
16:57<DarkUranium>nappy, "multiuser property"?
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16:57<DarkUranium>nyx, if you mean a proper backup of files, probably rsync and/or rdiff-backup
16:57<DarkUranium>(as in, all files)
16:58<devil>nyx: clonezilla, systemback
16:58<nappy>i mean how does linux make it possible for many users to use it simultaneously
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16:59<nyx>nappy, think of it as a server and each person has its own terminal.
16:59<DarkUranium>nappy, this is true of every Unix, really (AFAIK; was the very first version already multi-user?); Linux being heavily inspired by Unix ...
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16:59<Er|c>HELP! I run Debian Jessie (Testing) within a VMware's Fusion 7 on my OSX
17:00<nappy>yea i get it but how does this multiuser property come about?
17:00<Er|c>i upgraded from Fusion 7.1.0 to 7.1.1... and now GDM/X/Gnome refuses to load. i boot to a TTY
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17:00<DarkUranium>nappy, I'm not sure I quite understand your question; the OS was built from the ground up as a multi-user one
17:01<DarkUranium>historically, you'd have one central server, and a lot of users using that from dumb terminals (thin clients)
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17:01<nappy>i am trying to ask if there is any explanation how linux implements multiuser attribute?
17:01<DarkUranium>basically what some people are nowadays trying to present as "OMGWTFBBQ NEW THING!!!111one" (the whole server/thin client arch)
17:02<DarkUranium>one you have a multitasking operating system, making it multiuser is not *that* much of a stretch
17:02<Er|c>(vmware fusion 7: boots only to TTY text login) I've attempted to reload the vmware tools, i've built the vmwglx driver manually, i've looked all over the logs and cant' seem to find any errors
17:02<DarkUranium>just ensure you keep track of which process belongs to which user and so on
17:02<nyx>nappy, why it still has that functionality or why it was created that way in the first place?
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17:03<nappy>how it brings about the functionality
17:03<DarkUranium>nyx, I understood it as "how does it implement it", and I'm trying to stretch my simplification of it to its limits
17:03<DarkUranium>problem is that your question is very, very fundamental, nappy
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17:03<nyx>well i know why it was created that way. how it is being implemented is not within my grasp. but the reason why is pretty apparent
17:03<DarkUranium>kind of like asking "how does an operating system implement multitasking" (except possibly even more complex)
17:04<DarkUranium>nappy, do you have any *specific* questions regarding the implementation of multi-user support?
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17:05<nappy>it ends at how maybe linux manages the multiuser functionality
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17:05<DarkUranium>that's just rephrasing the same question
17:05<DarkUranium>unless you mean something specific by "manages"
17:05<DarkUranium>as I said, single-user is mostly the same as multi-user
17:06<DarkUranium>except that you have to keep track of who owns which process
17:06<nyx>so i know that an update package from my apt-get dist-upgrades messes something with my monitor being read correctly. so i wanna install each package separately and see where it goes bad. and be able to return to the previous state without a complete reinstall.
17:06<DarkUranium>you [possibly; it depends] also have to be a bit more careful with distributing CPU time, to be fair to the users.
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17:07<DarkUranium>nappy, there are also things like file ownership, but even non-multiuser OSes implement that in some cases (yes, I consider Windows to be a single-user OS)
17:07<nyx>let's check backintime
17:07<DarkUranium>nappy, so basically, take your single-user system, keep track of who owns what; that's pretty much it, on a high level.
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17:08<DarkUranium>(also keep track of who can do what: you don't want non-root users poking around other users' things, but it's fair game for root)
17:09<DarkUranium>nyx, well, unless you're running on ZFS, I wouldn't know
17:09<DarkUranium>someone else might, though.
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17:10<nyx>i was using rsync for my files. but what i want know is something like time machine on a mac. go back before the update
17:10<nyx>anyway backintime seems like it can do just about that gonna give it a try
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17:20<nyx>thanks DarkUranium for the info. I found timeshift gonna see if I can get w/o complete reinstallations
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18:29<awal>I have a general question, not debian specific. As normal, when power button is pressed during a few seconds the machine is turned off hardly , how to prevent that? I mean how block the power button, how to make the machine no shutting down even if the button is presses longtime?
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18:29<awal>that's for do under debian ofcourse. i dont know if possible
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18:30<awal>probably it's bios, hardware related, no system?
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18:37<HaukeH>It's in th eBIOS. I've seen the option there (at least on my BIOS)
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18:44<awal>have nothing related in my bios (3 laptops). regarding this opinions http://stackoverflow.com/questions/642058/how-to-deny-shutdown-when-pressing-the-power-button-for-a-while it seems impossible to handle that via system
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18:46<retrospectacus>bios or physically disconnect the button
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18:48<Ar|stote|is>Hello is there some way to install a specific version of a debian kernel and not the latest one ?
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18:50<retrospectacus>Ar|stote|is: http://snapshot.debian.org/
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18:52<Ar|stote|is>thanks retrospectacus
18:52<Ar|stote|is>let's see where it goes bad now
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20:33<qxt>The resolution on my monitor is not being picked up correctly. How would I correct that. In the "old days" I would use xorg but not sure now.
20:33<abrotman>what is it, and what does it think it is? and which driver and video cards are you using?
20:34<qxt>using the kernel driver ast for the IPMI/graphics
20:35<qxt>every thing looks ok in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:35<qxt>Just this line is wrong Modeline "1280x1024"x75.0 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
20:36<abrotman>mode line?
20:36<qxt>(II) modesetting(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x75.0 135.00 1280 1 ...blah blah
20:36<abrotman>I know what one is .. but most configs don't need those anymore
20:37<qxt>looking in lspci -kv I can see the driver is loaded "ast"
20:38<qxt>hmm so how do I force the system to use 1920x1080. The chip can do that at 60Hz
20:38<qxt>modinfo ast looks ok too.
20:39<abrotman>did you try xrandr?
20:39<qxt>yeah but the correct rez is not listed there
20:39<qxt>looks the same
20:40<qxt>unless you can force a rez with xrandr ?
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20:44<qxt>Ubuntu is showing the correct probed modes for output VGA
20:44<qxt>modesetting(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x60.0 148.50 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz eP)
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20:44<abrotman>that looks different htna yours
20:45<qxt>yeah
20:45<qxt>yeah same system just dropped in Ubuntu to see if that worked. It did
20:47<qxt>anyway a modinfo of ast is showing me the same on both distros
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20:53<qxt>oh boy... what does this mean license: GPL and additional rights ?
20:53<qxt>additional rights?
20:54<qxt>Is that a deal breaker ?
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20:56<abrotman>for what?
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21:46<k-man>i've noticed on some of my debian machines wajig has dashes in the commands like wajig list-installed, and on some others, no dashes like wajig listinstalled... this is annoying
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22:55<hello_all>hello people. I am new here, so could someone help me out how to start off? :)
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22:58<abrotman>waited a minute ..
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