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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-02-25

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01:32<Arc-C64>w0000t, it works!!!
01:33<Arc-C64>I'm IRC'ing directly from a Commodore 64, with its own native IP stack and NIC
01:33<Arc-C64>In GEOS, no less.
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01:34<Arc-C64>And no one;s around to help me celebrate. Great. :)
01:35<Arc-C64>Anybody there?
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01:35<Arc-C64>Heya claw.
01:35-!-dcosnet [~dcosnet@c-50-169-131-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #debian
01:35<Arc-C64>Hey dcosnet.
01:35<dcosnet>hi
01:35<Arc-C64>Ive achieved my boyhood dream.. lol
01:36<Arc-C64>I have a C64 with a native IP stack and hardware NIC connected directly to IRC.
01:36<Arc-C64>No middleman.
01:36<dcosnet>lol
01:36<dcosnet>nice
01:36<Arc-C64>I feel like celebrating, but everybody is asleep. :)
01:37<dcosnet>i found 200mhz era hardware slow for irc. i cant fathom thats capacity
01:37<jm_>congratulations, but please use #debian-offtopic
01:37<Arc-C64>Ah, you youngsters..lol
01:37<Arc-C64>The C64 isnt even technically a 1 MHz box.
01:38<Arc-C64>Its a 985 KHz 8-bit box
01:38<Arc-C64>jm: Got anything better to talk about?
01:38<jm_>please stick to the topic and I am well aware of what C64 is capable of since I owned one and now I own turbo chameleon that can emulate it
01:39<Arc-C64>jm: Nice. The alternative to the current conversation is dead silence.
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01:39<Arc-C64>I do have a Debian question.
01:39<jm_>Arc-C64: yes but if we make exceptions then the policy is pointless, so feel free to discuss it in #debian-offtopic
01:40<Arc-C64>I hope to hell the distrib maintainers dont take the Red Hat trojan..
01:40<Arc-C64>pardon me, systemd.
01:40<Arc-C64>Any announcement either way?
01:41<Arc-C64>Dont get me wrong, I love systemd
01:42<jm_>systemd is default with jessie but upgrades will keep sysv or whatever you currently have, and one can still use sysv in jessie but my hopes are not that high for jessie + 1 :)
01:42<Arc-C64>Ive always wanted a car with triangular tires. So much traction.
01:42<Arc-C64>jm: Oh well. Debian was fun while it lasted.
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01:43<Arc-C64>Systemd represents the worst of what the original generation of Linux developers
01:44<Arc-C64>and enthusiasts could have imagined back in the late 90's.
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01:44<Arc-C64>It goes well beyond the "doomed to reinvent it..poorly" mantra.
01:44<Arc-C64>Systemd is that bad.
01:45<Arc-C64>Ive had the misfortune of working with that pile of crap during a recent
01:45<Arc-C64>refresh where I work.. I literally told Red Hat I no longer wish to use their
01:46<Arc-C64>distrib, and would recommend upward to drop Red Hat as a supported platform.
01:46<Arc-C64>They steadfastly refuse to even acknowledge the fact that systemd is
01:46<Arc-C64>fundamentally broken.
01:47<Arc-C64>They wont, because systemd is their trojan horse. It means everything from more
01:48<Arc-C64>support $$$ to more certification $$$.
01:48<Arc-C64>Thats what we feared back in the late 90's.
01:48<Arc-C64>So, party's over, I guess.
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01:54<nkuttler>jm_: afaik systemd will be installed on all upgrades. see also https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system
01:54<Arc-C64>Sad.
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01:55<Arc-C64>I do honestly feel like its sort of...time for Linux to..meh.
01:55<Arc-C64>Haiku looks rather interesting.
01:55<jm_>nkuttler: one part of it was installed for me, but it certainly was still sysv init
01:55<nkuttler>jm_: i think it's a recent change
01:55<nkuttler>but then, i don't follow this entire thing too closely
01:55<jm_>nkuttler: I did this about 4-5 days ago
01:56<nkuttler>i see
01:56<jm_>installed wheezy base and upgraded to jessie, I expected systemd but was surprised it was not there and then I manually installed it
01:56<Arc-C64>systemd is a Red Hat trojan. Also, its a fantastic solution to a problem that
01:56<nkuttler>jm_: might have happened if you had gnome installed though
01:56<Arc-C64>doesnt exist.
01:57<Arc-C64>It offers super-fast reboot times. You know, for a platform that
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01:57<jm_>nkuttler: yeah probably would happen with gnome but this was just the bare minimum
01:57<Arc-C64>doesnt inherently need to be rebooted if you know what youre doing..
01:58<martingale>newb question here: if you don't like systemd, can't you just apt-get install a new init system?
01:58<Arc-C64>Nope. Hard-coded into the kernel.
01:58<Arc-C64>Youre f'ed.
01:58<nkuttler>martingale: pretty easy to avoid systemd, if you want to
01:59<Arc-C64>What the hell a userspace service is doing lodged in the damn kernel, who knows.
01:59<martingale>nkukard, how would one avoid it if one wanted to?
01:59<Arc-C64>Red Hat should be trusted about as far as I can throw a '77 Buick.
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01:59<nkuttler>martingale: check the release notes i just linked to
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02:00<nkuttler>Arc-C64: can you try and stick to technical support? there is an offtopic channel if you need to vent
02:00<Arc-C64>nkuttler: That is my technical support. Avoid systemd like the plague.
02:01<nkuttler>Arc-C64: no, you're just whining
02:01<dcosnet>http://mrpogson.com/2015/02/09/systemd-or-poettering-name-your-poison/#comment-243412
02:01<dcosnet>my comments on systemd
02:01<dcosnet>on someone elses blog entry about systemd
02:01<Arc-C64>nkuttler: Whining would infer something might change. it wont.
02:02<Arc-C64>nkuttler: Not enough people are left around from the early days of Linux to
02:02<Arc-C64>recognize systemd for the trojan that it is.
02:02<martingale>Arc-C64, I just searched the linux kernel for systemd and didn't find anything but text comments. What do you mean when you say it is in the kernel?
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02:03<Arc-C64>martingale: its a well-publicized debate. Google for "boycott systemd".
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02:04<martingale>and nkukard, I read your link. it tells me how to prevent installing systemd when upgrading to jessie. how would one avoid systemd if they started with a fresh copy of jessie that already had systemd?
02:05<Arc-C64>martingale: You cant.
02:05<martingale>Arc-C64, i find that extremely hard to believe
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02:06<martingale>the answer i'm looking for should at worst be "it's going to be a pain and you're going to have to hack XYZ, but here's what you can do""
02:06<Arc-C64>That would be the case if it were a purely userspace thing... which it isnt.
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02:07<Arc-C64>If you want to be truly free of systemd, youre going to need to roll your own
02:07<Arc-C64>kernel.
02:07<Arc-C64>The whole deal is absolute garbage.
02:07<martingale>Arc-C64, there is no systemd in the linux kernel, what are you talking about?
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02:08<martingale>https://github.com/torvalds/linux/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=systemd
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02:09<themill>Arc-C64: please take your systemd nonsense to /dev/null. This is a support channel for real support questions not imagined problems.
02:09<Arc-C64>themill: Thanks, Leonard.
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02:11<Arc-C64>systemd extends into the kernel by way of the notion of cgroups.. its a complete
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04:44<mehdi_>is it possible to have feedback related to gNewsense in here?
04:45<themill>mehdi_: we generally don't deal with derivatives at all because we never know what was changed
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05:15<guardian>if I wanted to use reiser4 on wheezy, would I need to recompile the kernel?
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05:25<petn-randall>guardian: Do you still have an old filesystem you want to migrate, or do you want to create a new filesystem?
05:25<guardian>new fileystem
05:26<guardian>billions of small files (long story, currently using reiser3 because it's better than xfs and ext4 so far both in terms of disk usage and speed)
05:26<guardian>I want to compare reiser3 with reiser4 though
05:27<petn-randall>guardian: Yes, you'll have to compile it yourself.
05:27<guardian>ok thanks
05:27<guardian>googling now
05:28<petn-randall>guardian: Btw, reiser4 has been dead for nearly 7 years now.
05:29<petn-randall>guardian: Unless you want to do some archeologic research, I'd use ext4 or, if you feel adventurous, btrfs.
05:29<guardian>:) yeah I know
05:30<petn-randall>guardian: reiserfs4 competed against ext3, which is already a whole filesystem generation ago.
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05:48<jm_>my debian kernel has CONFIG_REISERFS=m
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05:56<petn-randall>jm_: That is reiserfs3. 4 was never merged into mainline.
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05:57<petn-randall>Besides, I'm betting it never will. Main developer is in jail, lost all it's momentum to btrfs.
05:58<jm_>petn-randall: you're right, I checked kernel's config help text too quickly and noticed https://reiser4.wiki.kernel.org and assumed it's v4, but the page says what you just said
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06:23<petn-randall>s/it's/its/
06:23<jm_>no it's "it's"
06:24<petn-randall>I was referring to my last message.
06:24<jm_>ahh
06:24<petn-randall>nvm
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06:33<Xylon>how can I get permission denied listing a dir as root?
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06:33<Xylon># ls /home/joseph/Misc/mtp
06:33<Xylon>ls: cannot access /home/joseph/Misc/mtp: Permission denied
06:34<Xylon>graphical file manager can list it but keeps crashing
06:34<Xylon>it's an mtp device connected with jmtpfs
06:35<Xylon>ha, user joseph can list it but root can't
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06:41<debianuser>hi all. I want to get on freenode, but I want that secret shit. Anyone know how to get that?
06:42<debianuser>btw, I'm one baddass mofo.
06:42<petn-randall>!ops debianuser
06:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: debianuser
06:42<debianuser>so please, tell me how to get that badass secret shit
06:42<debianuser>wtf
06:42<debianuser>I got this red shit now
06:42<debianuser>and I don't know wtf this redshit in xchat is
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06:43<debianuser>all I want to know is: how tf do I get that cloak shit on freenode?
06:43-!-mode/#debian [+o SynrGy] by ChanServ
06:43-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@104.156.240.162] by SynrGy
06:43-!-mode/#debian [-o SynrGy] by SynrGy
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06:43<SynrGy>debianuser: offtopic for here. please see #freenode
06:43-!-tambamane [~tambamane@41.63.61.145] has joined #debian
06:44<SynrGy>also please keep it mildly family friendly
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06:44<SynrGy>er, sorry, #oftc
06:44<SynrGy>(wrong network)
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06:46<SynrG>ah, hrm. seems i was right the first time, since he/she did ask about freenode.
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06:46*petn-randall imagines SynrG[,y] running back and forth between to keyboards.
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06:47<W-T-F_Debian>hi
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06:47<W-T-F_Debian>I want that free shit on freenode, I do I get that cloak on freenode?
06:47<W-T-F_Debian>HTF do I get that free cloak shit on freenode?
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06:47<W-T-F_Debian>stop kicking me
06:47<W-T-F_Debian>I'm really badass
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06:49<W-T-F_Debian2015>dudes let's go
06:49<W-T-F_Debian2015>stop banning this shit
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06:49<W-T-F_Debian2015>I'm so pissed at
06:49<W-T-F_Debian2015>climate science3
06:49<W-T-F_Debian2015>denial
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06:49<sangi>while trying to build freeipa-server in wheezy, I am getting an error like this "configure: error: libpdb does not have make_pdb_method"
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06:51<KochCimateDenial>stop it
06:51<KochCimateDenial>I'm serios, I want change
06:51<KochCimateDenial>I want to stop capitalists
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06:53<jm_>sangi: libpdb does not appear to be in debian - where did you get it from?
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06:53<KilledAaronSchwartz>c'mon
06:53<KilledAaronSchwartz>stop it
06:53<KilledAaronSchwartz>I like this debian
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06:53<sangi>jm_, while building freeipa server I got this error
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06:54<jm_>sangi: yes but answer my question
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06:55<sangi>libpdb is renamed to libsamba-passdb
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07:14<kaiden>tst
07:14<kaiden>Hey guys, Im trying to get a make a folder pass its permissions to files/folders created in there .... chmod g+s folder did not work somehow, its not passing its permissions
07:15<jm_>g+s means ownership is preserved, not modes
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07:15<petn-randall>kaiden: You set the suid bit for the group, that's not what you expect it to do.
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07:15<kaiden>oh, alright then the tuts are a bit misleading
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07:16<petn-randall>kaiden: If you give an example what you'd like to have as end result, we might give you suggestions.
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07:16<kaiden>so I have this folder "resources" and I want that every folder/file created in "resources" have the same permission as "resources" itself
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07:25<kaiden>so noone ?
07:26<themill>There is no way to express that in unix permissions.
07:27<jm_>kaiden: like I said, you can only preserver ownership, not modes -- see info coreutils "File permissions"
07:27<jm_>preserve
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07:27<kaiden>mhh
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07:28<kaiden>alright, gotta ask the guy who made the api then. thanks anyway and have a nice day !
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07:48<petn-randall>There's an option to do that with extended ACLs, but I guess he's gone now.
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07:51<musca>petn-randall: applying acls recursively?
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07:54<musca>ah, i understand that directories inherit a default ACL to newly created files and subdirs
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08:43<petn-randall>musca: You can set default ACLs, which will be inherited by anything created within that directory.
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08:46<musca>yes, thx. (i used bad grammar)
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08:52<ctrlfreak>Hey
08:53<ctrlfreak>anyone alive?\
08:53<petn-randall>ctrlfreak: No, we're all dead.
08:53<centrx>!anyone
08:53<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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08:54<ctrlfreak>ok i want to download the latest version. does debian-7.8.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent + debian-7.8.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso.torrent + debian-7.8.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso.torrent == debian-update-7.8.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent + debian-update-7.8.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso.torrent ???
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08:56<ctrlfreak>no response..... -.-
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08:57<centrx>ctrlfreak, You probably want to use the netinst anyway
08:57<EmleyMoor>I don't ever bother with the full ISOs... not sure what the update DVDs are
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08:57<centrx>ctrlfreak, I don't know what the deal with those different ISO images is. They're only important if you're going somewhere without Internet access (in which case security updates aren't as important)
08:58<ctrlfreak>i do have internet access but i don't want to put the network under pressure
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08:58<ctrlfreak>or wait hours...
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09:00<ctrlfreak>so "Small CDs or USB sticks" is the option right?
09:00<centrx>ctrlfreak, If you're planning on download three DVDs or five DVDs, that's probably going to take a lot longer than using the net installer to download only the software you intend to install
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09:01<ctrlfreak>true but i'm a work so mbps is not problem here
09:01<ctrlfreak>5 dvd = 1 maybe two hours
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09:01<centrx>I see, you can download just the first entire DVD ISO if you want, install with that then switch to network sources.list
09:02<centrx>ctrlfreak, but yes small image "netinst"
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09:03<ctrlfreak>i'm downloading "debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso"
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09:03<ctrlfreak>and how it goes
09:03<ctrlfreak>see*
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09:04<ctrlfreak>hmm it finished...
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09:06<centrx>ctrlfreak, Yes it's only like 180MB or so, remaining packages are downloaded from the Internet
09:06<ctrlfreak>and which enviroment is by default installed?
09:06<centrx>Gnome
09:07<centrx>but you can choose during the installation
09:07<ctrlfreak>centrx which do you suggest ?
09:07<ctrlfreak>i used to use KDE
09:07<centrx>Yeah I would choose KDE over Gnome
09:07<centrx>You may also want to try XFCE or LXDE, which are lighter-weight desktops
09:08<ctrlfreak>i'll google them see how they look
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09:09<Wermwud>also LXQt
09:10<Wermwud>(haven't looked for an actual Debian package though)
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09:13<ixi>I set capabilities on a file and it's randomly gone after some time - any ideas why this could be ? (getcap/setcap)
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09:25<ctrlfreak>xfce is minimal which i like
09:26<ctrlfreak>minimalistic*
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09:28<centrx>indeed
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09:30<ctrlfreak>xfce seems to be popular among debian users
09:31<centrx>I use openbox without a desktop environment
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09:34<marek>Hello :)
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09:35<polyphagia>hi marek
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09:36<AndroUser>Hello all.
09:36<polyphagia>hi
09:38<AndroUser>I made a mistake in a script. And i remove all data from /etc/sysctrl.conf, is there a mean to resolve this problem ?
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09:39<AndroUser>I mean, to restore the conf file as he was first ?
09:40<AndroUser>Just a reboot would reinitiate it or no ?
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09:42<AndroUser>Sorry. I am in a raspbian wheezy.
09:43<centrx>You may have to download the file from somewhere
09:43<centrx>!raspbian
09:43<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
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09:45<AndroUser>centrx: it was first my idea too, but ... Ok i see with an other channel. Thanks
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10:49<bjmgeek>anyone have experience with cdtool?
10:50<bjmgeek>cdinfo is giving me a message "invalid", but nothing is being logged.
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11:39<kanga>When the moving from squeeze to wheezy I replaced an old machine and as a result I did not need to do a dist-upgrade. as we come closer to jessie I'm wondering how the dist-upgrade will handle backports and other non default repositories. Can anyone advise ?
11:40<centrx>What are the "other non default repositories"?
11:40<kanga>the i2p debian repository for example
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11:40<centrx>kanga, backports should be fine
11:40<petn-randall>kanga: official backports are handled fine. 3rd party repos could do anything, there's no guarantees from Debian.
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11:41<centrx>kanga, worst come to worst, you'll just have to uninstall the third-party packages before/during/after upgrade
11:41<centrx>kanga, assuming they're not core packages
11:41<centrx>core software
11:41<centrx>and they're not completely clusterbunch broken
11:41<kanga>so if I remove the backports repo after upgrading to jessie will the installed packages continue updating from the jessie stable repos ?
11:42<centrx>yes
11:42<kanga>Ok thank you centrx and petn-randall . You have beoth been very helpful
11:42<kanga>*both
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14:44<JrFerreira>Hi, somebody here use beaglebone board?
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14:46<randy>I have a beaglebone black but haven't used it much yet
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15:09<isosceles>I am running Debian Jessie with 'jessie' in my sources.list rather than 'testing'. I was advised to do this and wait for some time after Jessie goes stable to update sources to the next testing release. Is this sound advice (for a testing user) and if so how long should I wait to switch to next testing?
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15:11<theocrite>isosceles: Using release names in stable helps people to prevent an accidental upgrade. For testing I suppose it can help avoid the flood due to the end of the freeze era. I'm not sure how much that helps though.
15:12<karl>hi ! i just installed debian jessie on a rpi2 and it works fine. however, i then set up gnome and whenever i startx or start gdm i just get a blank screen. i use a hdmi-vga converter which seems to work fine for the console, could it be that xorg has some problem with it ?
15:12<karl>i find no errors in xorg.log btw
15:12<karl>or any other idea why gdm and gnome just go to a blank screen ?
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15:15<devil>karl: is that raspbian?
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15:15<isosceles>theocrite: That's what I heard... the flood is to be avoided. So, not a bad idea to wait it out? But won't I be flooded with updates when I switch anyhow? I don't understand the concept of avoiding the flood.
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15:16<theocrite>isosceles: I'm not sure. Personnaly I don't wait for testing.
15:16<isosceles>okay thanks
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15:17<karl>no its debian jessie from http://sjoerd.luon.net/posts/2015/02/debian-jessie-on-rpi2/
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15:17<karl>it works fine, i just cant get the gui working
15:17<karl>there is just a black screen on vt7
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15:18<karl>it seems hdmi-vga converters are difficult. however, i get a normal image in console mode, its just the gui on vt7 that displays a blank screen
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15:18<trico>vt8? sometimes i get the de there
15:19<karl>so can it still be the hdmi-vga converter, or would i not get any display at all if the hdmi-vga does not work ?
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15:19<karl>trico: tried that, no de on any vt
15:20<trico>anything else to test that adapter one? like xbox to tv?
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15:20<karl>nope
15:20<karl>the adapter works for the hdmi-out of my colleagues laptop
15:21<karl>and as i said before i get a image in the console
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15:21<karl>i also get an image on vt7, its just pure black, there is no blinking cursor in the corner, and no errors in xorg.log so i think its actually working, but something is wrong with xorg
15:22<karl>i can set config.txt parameters and they will change the display size and other parameters fine in the console terminals, however, vt7 is just black
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15:23<karl>the monitor does also not go into dpms, so i think it gets a signal, but it seems to be black only
15:23<karl>:)
15:23<devil>karl: I have used dvi-hdmi converter, which works fine
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15:26<karl>well, thats easier, its digital-digital, hdmi-vga is digital-analogue
15:26<karl>still, i think its actually working, but i get a black screen due to some xorg weirdness
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15:35<j2>I'm trying to make a bash script run every 30 minutes on my vps (debian 7). Can someone tell me where I need to be looking?
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15:35<jstewart>j2: cron job, probably.
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15:36<j2>Okay, I've read about cron jobs that you need to use crontab. Is this correct?
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15:37<jstewart>Yep. And you can use something like http://www.crontab-generator.org/ to generate your entries.
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15:37<jstewart>I still have trouble remembering cron syntax.
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15:38<j2>That helps a lot. That's what I was getting stuck on. I read about cron and crontab but I couldn't really find any useful (less than 20 page) example of usage :\
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15:39<jstewart>Glad I could help! :)
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15:39<sav>ciao
15:39<sav>! list
15:39<dpkg>sav: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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15:41<ovan1>Hey all. Has anyone here had experience with parallel find and replace bash scripts? Typically I would use xargs but I have a specific problem and was hoping I could be pointed in the right direction.
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15:43<karl>is there any other way to try graphical output other than starting X ?
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15:45<pangolinrollin>"try"? you could cat output i'm guessing :)
15:46<pangolinrollin>not sure tho
15:46<pangolinrollin>probably not a good idea what are you trying to do?
15:47<ovan>Are you looking for X Windows alternatives? For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Competitors.
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16:02<else->is it possible to run the debian netinst using qemu in the terminal?
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16:03<else->i think i got it.
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16:12<topquark_>Hey folks, Hey guys, I'm trying to send a mail but I get the following feedback: sendmail: recipient address root not accepted by the server sendmail: server message: 553-5.1.2 We weren't able to find the recipient domain. Please check for any spelling errors, and make sure you didn't enter any spaces, periods, or other punctuation after the recipient's email address."
16:12<topquark_>Does anyone recognize this issue?
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16:34<karl>hi again. the plot thickens: i installed lightdm and it displays correctly on my rpi2
16:35<karl>however, when i try to login to gnome i get "Oops something went wrong ..."
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16:35<karl>so it seems its only gdm and gnome that do not work.
16:35<karl>any idea where i can find out what went wrong ?
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16:53<awal>karl: that message is very habitual in gnome. it's a standard message, it can be displayed for different reasons. google that message and you will find hundreds reasons in the web.
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16:54<awal>probably its related with your gnome shell extensions.
16:55<pangolinrollin>... i switched to kde, no more bugs :P
16:55<karl>actually it seems to stem from the lack of 3d acceleration on the rpi
16:55<karl>i guess xfce will work
16:56<awal>3d related also yeah
16:56<awal>which gnome version are you using?
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16:57<EyebrowsGuy>ayyy
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16:57<awal>gnome-shell I mean. you should have 3.4 if in wheezy , karl ^
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16:58<karl>its jessie
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16:58<karl>just installing xfce, lets see
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16:58<karl>xbmc also complains about not having 24bit depth on the screen
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16:59<karl>i suspect its a problem with my monitor not being correctly detected due to the hdmi-vga adapter
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16:59<karl>any idea how i can set the screen-parameters for xorg
16:59<karl>since there is no xorg.conf any more ?
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17:00<awal>i think that gnome 3.4 use 3d acceleration in gnome-shell but 2d in classic mode. If you are using jessie with gnome 3.14, so both modes (shell and classic) use 3d, classic mode is just about look.
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17:00<karl>yep, and does not work, i just tried it
17:00<awal>with xfce you will be fine, for sure
17:00<karl>so basically gnome is no-go without 3d
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17:00<karl>and it seems to include gdm
17:00<awal>yeah
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17:01<awal>ofcourse gnome includes gdm, will not include slim :P
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17:03<karl>i am just switching to lightdm+xfce
17:03<awal>xfce, lxde or another WM (openbox, fluxbox...) is the best choice for you if your machine don't support 3d acceleration
17:03<karl>would have preferred gnome-shell though, i actually got used to it on my laptop
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17:55<sovit>i have a problem in python with parallel port
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19:01<guilherme>how can I check for information about the mSata port on my notebook?
19:02<abrotman>what do you want to know about it?
19:02<abrotman>!what's my hardware
19:02<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>.
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19:04<guilherme>I would like to know if I can boot from it (I am thinking about buying a msata ssd) and the maximum speed
19:06<lyumar>sorry, i am new here
19:06<lyumar>guilherme
19:06<lyumar>voce falar portugues?
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19:07<awal>Is 'xbindkeys' the indicated pack I can use for create a standard/unified keyboard shortcuts file for use in all the DE's and WM's I have installed? I mean I want create keyboard shortcuts file only one time and these keyboard shortcuts must execute the indicated app no matter which DE or WM I use.
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19:12<awal>Example: in xfce I use 'super w' for open iceweasel and I want that key combination, when pressed, execute iceweasel no matter if I'm in xfce, fluxbox, i3, etc, without having to edit keybinding file of each DE/WM
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21:04<TARDISMaker>Hi, I'm wanting to give debian a serious try in the next few days but I don't want to have to worry about hooking my computer up to my internet using a cable
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21:04<TARDISMaker>I have a D-Link DWA 140 wireless adapter that I believe uses the rt800usb driver
21:05<dvs>which revision?
21:05<TARDISMaker>Is there any way that I can install with this driver enabled by default?
21:05<TARDISMaker>dvs, do you mean of the driver or debian?
21:06<dvs>of the DWA 140
21:06<TARDISMaker>I'm not entirely sure
21:06<polyphagia>you can get an image with all the nonfree firmware by default
21:06<polyphagia>if you're worried
21:06<dvs>!tell TARDISMaker about firmware iso
21:07<polyphagia>alternatively just plop it onto a usb beforehand
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21:07<polyphagia>it tells you about what firmware it needs before it actually does anything
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21:15<abrotman>polyphagia: using plop?
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21:16<polyphagia>n-no
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21:20<abrotman>dpkg: tell polyphagia about plop
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21:21<polyphagia>lol cute
21:21<sney>whoa! that would have come in handy a few months ago
21:22*abrotman can't be the only one that knew about that ..
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21:23<sney>probably not, but I didn't either
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21:25<TARDISMaker>I just did a google search for "plop linux", I was thinking it was some sort of application, but all the results said it was a distro, is that what you guys are talking about?
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21:26<sney>!plop
21:26<dpkg>Plop Boot Manager is a boot loader with built-in IDE CD-ROM and USB drivers. This allows booting from CD-ROM and USB on legacy PC systems without BIOS support. Plop Boot Manager is proprietary but free for personal and non-commercial use. http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/
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21:27<abrotman>TARDISMaker: It doesn't relate to your problem
21:27<sney>my "new" nagios machine is an old 1U supermicro with a broken cd drive. I got it set up, but that would have saved me some steps.
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21:39<TARDISMaker>I'm going to go try out the firmware iso, thanks for your help
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21:54<rufus>sup
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21:58<ddrk>hi
21:59<ddrk>i need help view cam in VLC
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23:19<awal>How I can have the whole dpkg bot info?
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23:21<themill>awal: there are 40k factoids. You don't want them all...
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23:22<awal>themill: thats ok. I want them. sometimes I want ask the bot but I no find the correct words. some of you guys know the correct words and the bot answer just fine
23:22<themill>!factoids
23:22<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
23:23<themill>the web search is probably more useful for you
23:23<awal>themill: ok. thanks!
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23:39<knoppix_>Hii all
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23:40<knoppix__>I install knoppix to my system
23:40<knoppix__>I want to install Qtcreator
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23:41<Guest691>it is showing some dependacy errors
23:41<Guest691>help please
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23:48<awal>this channel is for support debian. for knoppix lokk if there is a channel in freenode
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