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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-02-27

---Logopened Fri Feb 27 00:00:08 2015
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00:38<pby>Hi everyone!
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00:39<obeardly>pby: Hello, it's quiet in here tonight
00:40<pby>obeardly: np, just enjoying my time with the new raspberry pi. I had to try IRC too of course :)
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00:48<ananth123>pbn: pi ver 2 ?
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02:32<root427>hello
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04:52<apessoa>hello everyone
04:53<apessoa>i posted this question yesterday, but had to leave before i got to fix the issue
04:53<apessoa>I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to use a Huawei E1550 USB mobile broadband card
04:53<apessoa>I've looked around the web and the none of the solutions I found worked
04:53<apessoa>I'm on debian wheezy
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04:53<apessoa>any help would be appreciated
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04:54<safinaskar>hi. i have relatively fast internet connection. so, full "apt-get update" is faster for me than downloading lots of small diff files. so, how to disable diffs during "apt-get update"?
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04:55<jm_>safinaskar: man apt.conf, search for PDiffs
04:55<jm_>also see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
04:57<narcan>Hello, can I boot Debian with an 500GB UEFI HD with BIOS?
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04:58<jm_>if you are asking if debian works with uefi then the answer is yes
04:58<safinaskar>jm_: thanks
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04:59<narcan>jm_: great thanks. I would like to buy an UEFI HD. It will be the bootable HD.
04:59<jm_>narcan: there's no such thing as UEFI HD, what exactly do you mean?
04:59<SynrGy>perhaps you've confused UEFI and GPT?
05:00<jm_>yeah that's where I'm trying to get to ;)
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05:00<narcan>GPT HD sorry
05:00<SynrGy>and yes, debian works on that
05:00<SynrGy>the only issue is old BIOSes that can't boot from them ... but that's not a debian problem
05:00<jm_>if you have UEFI system then GPT will work, with old BIOS it won't unless you have a special one like found on some gigabyte boards, and no issues with that and Debian
05:01<narcan>I have a BIOS
05:01<narcan>from 2008
05:01<jm_>then better stick to DOS partiton style for bootable devices
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05:02<SynrGy>yep. i have two drives in my old BIOS system with GPT drive in it. the old drive is my boot drive even though the root partition is on the GPT drive
05:02<narcan>SynrGy: but you can't boot with your GPT drive?
05:03<SynrGy>nope. limited by the BIOS
05:03<SynrGy>it's very old. much older than 2008 i think
05:03<narcan>any workaround with only one HD ?
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05:03<narcan>SynrGy: but recent BIOS support GPT?
05:04<SynrGy>yes
05:04<narcan>cool
05:04<jm_>note that a bios update from 2015 for a board released in 2008 does not count for example
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05:05<narcan>jm_: its a good idea
05:06<narcan>I will check if my bios support GPT. thank you. See you later
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09:58<ktd>hi guys
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09:58<ktd>Is it possible to use dpkg as a normal user to install a pacakge into your home folder?
09:59<Brigo>ktd, no
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10:00<ktd>thanks Brigo, a shame then
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10:09<SynrGy>ktd: it's a package *system*. to work, it needs a whole system to work with. so if you have a VM your user is allowed to run, you could run it within that.
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10:11<obxetoperdido>hello world
10:11<jathan>Hello obxetoperdido
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10:39<ktd>SynrGy: so I may be able to create a chroot with the required packages and run dpkg from there
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10:51<SynrGy>ktd: yes. it's just that users normally can't run chroots
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10:51<SynrGy>ktd: and it's not just "with the required packages", but a whole bootstrap created, e.g., by debootstrap
10:52<SynrGy>ktd: be careful running things inside chroots as they may require communication with agents running on your system, but will be unable to do so unless you expose to them other things needed to run (named pipes, etc.)
10:52<SynrGy>but for the simpler cases, it should work
10:52<ktd>SynrGy: I think I'll compile the packages then :-), will be much easier
10:53<SynrGy>yep
10:53<ktd>SynrGy: and clean
10:53<SynrGy>!ssb
10:53<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
10:53<SynrGy>ktd: like so?
10:53<ktd>SynrGy: thanks BTW
10:53<SynrGy>np
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12:40<ilikelemonice>what feed readers in the repositories have filters? icedove has, akregator hasn't, so much I know.
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12:45<lostatwork>liferea might I am not positive though
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12:56<ilikelemonice>I don't see anything like that looking through its menus and settings
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13:00<SynrGy>hmm
13:00<SynrGy>,v liferea
13:00<judd>Package: liferea on i386 -- squeeze: 1.6.4-1; wheezy: 1.8.6-1.1; wheezy-backports: 1.10.12-1~bpo70+1; sid: 1.10.12-1; jessie: 1.10.12-1
13:01<SynrGy>i see reference on the web to filtering in liferea with scripts. and also to discontinued lua scripting ...
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13:02<SynrGy>dunno whether that means it no longer has scripting (and hence no filtering) or if lua scripting was superceded by something else.
13:04<SynrGy>aha: http://lzone.de/Writing-Liferea-Plugins-Tutorial-Part-1
13:05<SynrGy>none of the plugins i've found have anything to do with filtering, however.
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13:49<johndoe>whats happenin
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14:11<liomar>boa tarde, alguém com o livro Como Programar C++ para vender?
14:12<Brigo>!pt
14:12<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:15<liomar>ok, Obrigado!!
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14:40<Coulicalla>couilicalla
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15:17<indio>Hi. Does Debian livecd have gparted or other partitioning tool?
15:19<indio>!help
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15:53<blast007>indio: I do not see gparted on a 7.8.0 Debian live gnome DVD, but if you have internet access you could install it within the live environment
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15:56<indio>thanks, no internet
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15:57<indio>that's the livecd version i downloaded
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15:58<indio>gnome flavor
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16:01<quentusrex__>How would I skip the changelog on an upgrade from wheezy to jessie?
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16:01<centrx>uninstall apt-listchanges ?
16:01<quentusrex__>I have a fleet of VMs that need to upgrade
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16:05<valdyn>quentusrex__: and you still have not avoided all the prompts you get on each machine due to config changes
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16:05<valdyn>quentusrex__: even after skipping the changelog (which would be relatively easy anyway)
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16:08<quentusrex__>valdyn, for all of these VMs I just accept the new confs
16:08<valdyn>quentusrex__: so just remove apt-listchanges on each vm, is that a problem?
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16:08<quentusrex__>nope, not a problem. Testing that now
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16:11<ciccio>ciao
16:11<ciccio>!list
16:11<dpkg>ciccio: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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16:15<awal>I'm in my sid machine but I wanted to ask here because there is more people and my question isn't only sid related (I partitioned my disk machine using stable installer the upgraded to jessie/sid) :) I don't know if I really have a prtition issue, if it's really important and if I must correct that. This machine is dual booted with windows 7. Almost all the entries in the web suggest reinstall and partitioning again. should I worry about whats in the output? Is
16:15<awal>it possible to correct the errors without reinstalling? My machine works just fine but I wonder if I have to fix something the output of fdisk and sfdisk ---> http://paste.debian.net/158360 What you think guys?
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16:17<awal>Some web opinions/suggestions :) http://askubuntu.com/questions/156994/partition-does-not-start-on-physical-sector-boundary http://superuser.com/questions/782834/extended-partition-does-not-start-on-physical-sector-boundary-on-512e-emulated http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/fdisk-partition-2-does-not-start-on-physical-sector-boundary-4175442802/
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16:25<awal>etc fstab ---> http://paste.debian.net/158363
16:27<awal>What mean "errors=remount-ro 0 1" in the fstab output ?
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16:32<awal>what I'm trying to know if i must "worry" about is the output of fdisk 'Partition 3 does not start on physical sector boundary.' and the one of sfdisk 'sfdisk: Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary.'
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16:52<awal>I have 3 laptop more running only debian and 'fdisk -l' output is fine, no errors. error only in the one wher debian is installed alongside windows.
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17:42<valdyn>awal: it means blocks are not aligned and this may result in a significant slowdown for some operations
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17:51<jhutchins>awal: Do you run fdisk often?
17:51<jhutchins>awal: Have you run an fsck on this system?
17:52<awal>jhutchins: ok, I'll lokk at that man pages. No. probably I used it 2 or 3 times for check how my disk is partitioned. fsck manually no, but i think it runs auto durring boot, no? fsck from linux utils or something like that and systemd-fsck
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17:53<jhutchins>awal: fsck will run after a certain number of boots, or a certain time, or if triggered, or if a "dirty" disk is detected.
17:53<jhutchins>awal: You may have a corrupt partition table.
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17:54<jhutchins>awal: It would probably be a good idea to install smartmontools and check the logs occasionally. As long as it's not getting worse you're fine.
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17:57<awal>jhutchins: fsck runs here during each boot but says "sda5 clean" both linux-fsck and systemd-fsck
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17:57<awal>this machine is dualbooted with windows. but I have 3 laptops more running only debian and fsck is executed durring each boot too
17:57<awal>but the results are always "devX clean".
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18:01<awal>jhutchins: i remember with squeeze fsck is only executed after certain number of boots but since wheezy i think fsck is executed durring each boot
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18:01<awal>at least in my 4 debian machines. if that's not the case, so all my machine partitioning table are probably corrupted...
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18:03<sleser>were there any new updates done . for some reason my audio tools arent working it says that it canot setup rewire system
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18:04<sleser>oh updates on sound system on debian
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18:04<sleser>tools use to work
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18:08<sleser>not sure if debian wont let the app rewire or the app is broken it worked like maby 3 munths ago thats when last i used it
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18:19<awal>Can anyone using wheezy or jessie confirm or no confirm if fsck is executed during each system boot? :)
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18:23<devil>sleser: noone knows what you are on about
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18:24<devil>at least I am far from it
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18:28<sleser>an audio tool wont open it says failed to setup rewire system properly exiting . this app worked on wheezy before the last i used was maby 3 munths ago . i wiped the app reinstaled it over the same problem so i was wondering if any new updates that i done causing this . basicaly debian wont let the app rewire what it has to rewire on sound
18:28<sleser>app is good i have cd
18:30<devil>and the app is a big secret, I suppose
18:31<sleser>no its propelerhead reason 4
18:33<devil>sleser: see, that's what I thought: 3rd party software
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18:34<devil>you should check their forums, or maybe there is a channel
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18:47<jhutchins>awal: Not sure about systemd. If it's doing a full fsck every boot that could be a problem, but as you say, things are changing.
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18:48<jhutchins>awal: That alignment warning often happens if the disk is partitioned with Windows fdisk.
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19:00<awal>jhuthchins: yes during each boot 'systemd'fsck' is executed and report's "sda5 clean", dont know if it's normal and good, I'll have to search about. Before installing windows (i just need it, sadly, because of AUTOCAD) I partitioned using gparted live. I created an ntfs partition for windows (just 1) the left the other disk space as free and installed debian choosing automatic partitioning. So I dont know if it's windows related...
19:00<awal>systemd-fsck ^
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19:04<awal>as I said both 'fsck from linux-utils' (called like that I think) and 'systemd-fsck' are executed every each boot in my other 3 debian machines, so probably it's normal, a new linux/systemd feature
19:05<valdyn>awal: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html
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19:09<awal>valdyn: ok, thanks
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19:13<awal>So I'll have to check mount and fstab man pages and learn about systemd-fsck@.service and systemd-fsck-root.service for understand how things work
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19:25<awal>In valdyn link its said "Those services are started at boot if passno in /etc/fstab for the file system is set to a value greater than zero" and in my /etc/fstab pass is set to 1 for /dev/sda 5 by default ( UUID=8d93607b-19a5-4980-bb61-18bbb71b317c / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1). I understand now why systemd-fsck@.service and systemd-fsck-root.service are executed on every boot :)
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20:00<SaltyCatFish>Hey hey hey, so qiuet in here
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20:00<sney>nobody has support issues anymore, we can all go home
20:00<levlaz>\o/ debian!
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20:23<awal>https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Partition_Alignment
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21:02<Nemoder>I just noticed my server logs have not been rotated since september. I looked at syslog and the only odd thing is a lot of: CRON[26917]: Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session
21:02<Nemoder>any ideas how to troubleshoot this?
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21:04<somiaj>Nemoder: is this debian wheezy? And you aren't using systemd?
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21:04<dotut>hello setting up a simple nfs server on debian, permissions look correct on directory being exported (nfs:nfs), on client user nfs has correct permissions and other users don't. However root user has permission always, can this be disabled?
21:05<Nemoder>somiaj: it is wheezy yes
21:05<somiaj>dotut: afiak the user on the remote machine needs permichine on the server to access the files on the server.
21:06<dotut>somiaj: thanks...that works as expected. but root user on remote machine has access no matter what (which i would like not to be)..does that make sense?
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21:08<somiaj>Nemoder: not sure where to start looking. You can double check the config in /etc/logrotate.conf and logrotate.d/, I don't reconize the error you mentioned.
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21:08<Nemoder>I've done very little changing system configs, it all looks like default stuff
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21:09<somiaj>dotut: ahh I understand you now. not that familar with nfs. I found this on google. http://chschneider.eu/linux/server/nfs.shtml -- says something about teh root_squash option.
21:09<dotut>somiaj: yes, i think you maybe right
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21:10<dotut>somiaj: this may do the trick...let me try
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21:10<somiaj>Nemoder: could it be something as simple as your drives are full.
21:10<Nemoder>no, plenty of free space
21:10<somiaj>Nemoder: or for someraeson something got mounted read-only and logrotate isn't able to write a tmp file to falicate the roate.
21:10<somiaj>Nemoder: I can spout out more random guesses, but not sure if I can be of much help.
21:11<Nemoder>no, filesystem looks fine. I'm just not sure at what point the rotate is failing or if that error is even related
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21:14<dotut>somiaj: thanks that did the trick
21:15<dotut>somiaj: appreciate the help
21:15<somiaj>dotut: thank the power of google. (:
21:15<dotut>somiaj: yes, should have really tried that first...my bad
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21:16<somiaj>dotut: well it took clarifying what you were looking for. Once that is clarified it was easier. (:
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21:16<dotut>somiaj: thanks!
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21:17<somiaj>Nemoder: I'm not getting anything specific on the error you posted. Seems like there is some authentication error, not sure if it is your logrtate scripts or other cron scripts. I also notice the lines near that error sometimes have more info in the examples I found.
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21:17<Nemoder>yea there is nothing before or after it in syslog at all related
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21:30<lokita>hello
21:35<Nemoder>somiaj: '/usr/sbin/logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf' worked fine, so it must be a problem with cron
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21:38<lokita>jue
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22:27<ectospasm>I'm having trouble pairing and connecting my Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000. In wheezy, I had flawless Bluetooth mouse usage (after some problems early on, see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=107748). Now, after I've upgraded to jessie, the Bluetooth problems persist. I had managed to pair and connect the mouse, but no longer.
22:28<SamB_laptop>that is technically more on-topic in #debian-next
22:28<themill>here is just fine too
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22:29<ectospasm>I see traffic in hcidump and btmon, but i have no idea how to interpret it, and it scrolls off (I don't believe I'm capturing it to a file)
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22:31<SamB_laptop>ectospasm: well, tee is nice for capturing things to files
22:31<ectospasm>thanks, not what I needed to hear. I don't want to capture to a file until I know what I need to look for.
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