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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-02-28

---Logopened Sat Feb 28 00:00:33 2015
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00:10<blackslide>Good morning!
00:11<blackslide>should I see wlan0 under /dev?
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00:12<blackslide>I've got a broadcom b43 lp-phy wlan card. I installed wlan_ng for it's properties sake
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00:14<blackslide>or am I forced to use the firmware-b43 pkg?
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00:28<blackslide>anyone have a preferred media player for console? my current options are moc/mp3blaster/mpg123
00:28<blackslide>would be nice to have flac+ogg and maybe even wma support...
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00:36<blackslide>I'll try moc, since it's supported in conky... once I get X running that is
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02:14<blackslide>Uh.. anyone know how to make acpi work properly? My battery status is non-logical:
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02:14<blackslide>when psu is removed, the battery designed capacity
02:14<blackslide>and last full capacity drop
02:14<blackslide>so at this rate acpi will happily report 0 WAh in a matter of days
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02:15<blackslide>I understand that an old battery might not charge at all. But acpi has "charging at zero rate" for that. And designed full capacity rating should not be altered by what the charge is atm
02:17<blackslide>also last full capacity changes identical to the designed capacity. The only thing that seems correct, is designed min voltage 108000 and current voltage, that increases slightly every time the capacity drops
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02:19<blackslide>If I understand correctly, the designed full capacity should be alot bigger, also the battery being at ~380WAh should be near 5% or even less
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02:25<blackslide>rebooting...
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06:28<domovoy>hi
06:28<domovoy> i'm trying to build a preconfigure/modified kernel (2.6.12.6) provided by the manufacturer of the product (Western Digital Sharespace, uses a Marvell board based on their 88F5281 chip). I'm on debian sid i386, built and installed cross-gcc-4.9-armel.I run "make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage", and it fails with errors like "selected processor does not support ARM mode `fmrrd r0,r1,d0'". Any advice?
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06:32<TeslasMHD>Good noon.
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06:45<marvel>How do I restore my Debian machine to the default settings without re-installing the OS?
06:48<Nemoder>reinstalling is probably the best option. although you could create a new user to see if it's just user settings you have issue with
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07:21<Bunk>Hey.
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07:23<gurpal>hiiii
07:23<gurpal>Whats up..???
07:24<Bunk>I ran into problems
07:24<gurpal>What happened>>..??
07:25<gurpal>U from..???
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07:25<Bunk>I read how to save my /home. That´s not it, but i have a disto, which is not reachable ( grub destroyed )
07:25<Bunk>r
07:26<gurpal>I think u have to reinstall ur LINUX
07:26<gurpal>Ol d Best
07:26<Bunk>Now, i tried to enter it and dopy the files, but not all files were accesible
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07:26<Bunk>Sorry Now, i tried to enter it and copy the files, but not all files were accessible
07:27<Bunk>I want to use Knoppix and could use some commands
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07:27<gurpal>If u not reinstall but mannually add the files so its not possible to handle dat
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07:28<gurpal>Knoppix is what..???
07:28<Bunk>I will repair grub by reinstalling and skipping the format-procedure // I have to enter the hd via live-DVD // Knoppix was the first live -CD GNU Linux
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07:29<SynrGy>Bunk: please describe what debian release you're on, what you did that led up to the situation, and what you now want to accomplish, as i am not entirely clear about these points in your story
07:29<gurpal>Yeah
07:30<gurpal>Thatswhy m saying u to reinstallation process
07:30<gurpal>I think u gotta my point
07:30<gurpal>Gud...!
07:31<Bunk>I´m not on a Debian release, but i will use the Debian-basedKnoppix-DVD // I deleted a Windows partition and by doing this, i changed the partition table // What i want to do is to bring back grub by reinstalling MAGEIA, which is my main system
07:31<SynrGy>gurpal: absolutely wrong. look, if you don't have anything to contribute to this discussion, please just let those of us who do handle it, as i've seen nothing but noise so far.
07:31<thor>yeah -- Depending on the configuration a Unix Server running Services is going to Dork everytime because suspend is designed for a laptop w/PP or a movie
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07:31<thor>no ACPI
07:31<thor>disable
07:31<gurpal>Shut d fuck u up
07:31<Bunk>I have to save my /home using the Live-System
07:32<gurpal>I,ll handle dat matter
07:32<gurpal>okie
07:32<SynrGy>Bunk: i can sympathize, however, this is not the place for help with anything but debian. maybe ##linux @ irc.freenode.net?
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07:32<gurpal>Do what u want to do
07:32<thor>curious to see whats actually running BEFORE suspend can u do a ps -eaf
07:32<Bunk>OK, then i will go and ask there. Thanks anyways
07:32<SynrGy>Bunk: good luck
07:33<thor>also -- hepful to get a uname -a | see what patches are on -- update fixed so instabiliuty I had but I've got 6 sound cards and 7 USB busses
07:34<Bunk>Thanks!
07:34<thor>interupts for me -- and I was hanging -- recompiled the Kernel -- Amazing box now
07:35<SynrGy>thor: hm, sorry, is there a debian support question in there somewhere? not exactly following you ...
07:37<thor> what -- arew you reading the hanginmg issue where the post daid NOTHING -- probably ghosts --idiot
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07:37<SynrGy>hm, mint@... ? so i'm guessing the answer is "no"
07:38<gurpal>kuuttttteeeeee saaaalllleeeeeee
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07:42<SynrGy>domovoy: sid + a 2.6 kernel sounds like a big mismatch. are you sure you want to do this? what end-user issue are you trying to solve?
07:42<SynrGy>domovoy: specifically, 2.6.12 predates lenny's kernel
07:43<SynrGy>lenny had 2.6.26, iirc
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07:47<SynrGy>domovoy: debian etch released with a 2.4 kernel, and etch-and-a-half had 2.6.24. etch released in 2007 and reached EOL in 2010. so you're apparently trying to build a several-years-old kernel against current sid. sounds like something that cannot be reasonably expected to succeed, which is why i ask what you're trying to solve.
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07:48<domovoy>SynrG: the kernel is not for sid, as i said, i'm cross-building it for an arm product which manufacturer provides a preconfigured kernel. Trying to build this one first and see if it boots before trying a recent one, so that i get a starting point on the config
07:49<SynrGy>i see.
07:49<detly>I'm trying to figure out why a particular package is installed, but I'm pretty sure it was pulled in as a "recommends" not a dependency. Is there any way to see what package(s) might have caused a recommends to be installed?
07:49<SynrGy>domovoy: given it's not a debian kernel, given its age, and the non-standard arch, i can't think how to advise you ...
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07:50<domovoy>SynrG: anyway, the problem was the recent cross-toolchain, used the old one provided with the kernel sources, it worked
07:50<SynrGy>ah.
07:50<SynrGy>can you go back to the older cross toolchain?
07:50<SynrGy>it may be necessary to achieve your goal
07:50<SynrGy>maybe install wheezy in a chroot or so
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07:50<domovoy>SynrG: i think i just said that's what i did :)
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07:51<SynrGy>hmm. did you? i mustn't have been paying attention :)
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07:51<SynrGy>nope ... double-checking the backlog i don't see it ...
07:51<SynrGy>i must truly be blind
07:52<Linnak>Hi, how should I imagine the process of adding software to repositories? For example John programmer writes a software. He tested it many times, then he upload s in Sid repository, where some Debian guys test it as well before it gets into the Sid repo, and then after a couple of days if moe people tested it it gets in to testing repo?
07:52<SynrGy>detly: 'aptitude why packagename'
07:52<domovoy>SynrG: "used the old one provided with the kernel sources, it worked"
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07:52<SynrGy>domovoy: this implies "installed wheezy in a chroot?" ok.
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07:53<detly>SynrGy: wow, thanks! that's an amazing little feature
07:53<SynrGy>detly: np
07:53<SynrGy>domovoy: well, so long as you have a workaround, i guess it doesn't matter.
07:53<domovoy>SynrG: lol no, i was actually answering to "can you go back to the older cross toolchain?"
07:53<SynrGy>yeah. that's fine
07:53<domovoy>SynrG: thanks for trying to help anyway
07:53<SynrGy>domovoy: so you're happy with that solution?
07:53<SynrGy>domovoy: if you think there's a bug in the current toolchain ... guess you'll need to do some digging
07:54<SynrGy>but if it's simply a matter of "this isn't supported anymore and is unlikely to be" i guess not
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07:54<domovoy>SynrG: not really, but it will allow me to test that kernel, know its config and sources are fine, and adapt it to a recent kernel and cross-toolchain; then i'll be happy
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07:57<SynrGy>yeap
07:57<SynrGy>good luck
07:57<SynrGy>Linnak: it goes through a first couple of steps
07:58<SynrGy>Linnak: first, there's an ITP bug filed against the wnpp pseudopackage. then the debian developers get to weigh in on whether they think it will be an asset to add it to debian or not
07:58<SynrGy>Linnak: the ITP bug gets copied to the debian-devel@lists.debian.org mailing list for that review process. followups go to the bug itself.
07:59<SynrGy>Linnak: John programmer must have upload rights (i.e. be a Debian Developer) or else have the package sponsored by someone with upload rights. the package is uploaded when ready. the next step is a manual review process performed by the ftpmaster team to make sure it meets debian's standards for entry into the archive.
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08:00<Linnak>SynrGy: thank you
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08:01<SynrGy>Linnak: assuming it makes it through those hurdles, then the rest proceeds as you've imagined it.
08:01<Linnak>i see
08:01<lord_rob>Hi! I want to setup a no-ip host with ddclient ddclient to test my Apache/php code. But it fails, could anyone check my config and see what's wrong ? (both login and password are correct in the original file) http://paste.debian.net/158650/
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08:02<SynrGy>Linnak: the 'couple of days' is 10
08:03<SynrGy>Linnak: if we weren't in a freeze (which we are) there's a default migration delay of 10 days, assuming no RC (release critical) bugs were filed on the package during that time, after which it migrates unstable -> testing automatically.
08:03<Linnak>and the testing process in testing repo is everybodys job. I mean users and developres?
08:04<SynrGy>Linnak: a package may also be delayed if the dependencies the package needs aren't yet in testing
08:04<SynrGy>yes.
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08:05<Linnak>and the difference between Debian Testing and for example Ubuntu or Mint that the packages from Sid are repaired by Ubuntu and Mint developres?
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08:20<oldlaptop>Linnak: Ubuntu copies (and freezes?) sid (or sometimes testing?) themselves, applys its own changes, and releases after six months
08:20<oldlaptop>mint copies that
08:20<Linnak>thanks
08:21<oldlaptop>they don't "repair" much of anything
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08:22<Linnak>aha
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08:23<oldlaptop>I believe Mint has a "Debian edition" also, which is at any given time a clone of testing with a bunch of Mint changes applied
08:24<oldlaptop>none of these things are necessarily compatible with Debian, in particular Ubuntu usually isn't
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08:24<oldlaptop>for sure people won't want to solve problems with them here
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08:25<oldlaptop>lord_rob: What fails, exactly?
08:27<ompaul>!mint
08:27<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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08:28<ompaul>and ubuntu the same thing cept the channels change
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08:45<lord_rob>oldlaptop: well, my ip is not updated and I dunno why
08:46<lord_rob>(when I do /etc/init.d/ddclient restart)
08:46<oldlaptop>It shouldn't change your IP, should it?
08:47<oldlaptop>it's telling dyndns what your IP happens to be... oh, or is that what you mean?
08:47<oldlaptop>dyndns doesn't see the new IP you mean?
08:48<lord_rob>my IP is dynamic, so this script is frequently called to check its value and update "myhost.no-ip.org" to my real IP
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08:50<oldlaptop>and you're looking at a web interface or something, and not seeing the new one?
08:50<lord_rob>my real IP value is checked by the page http://checkip.dyndns.com/
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08:51<lord_rob>to see I'm not updated I do host myhost.no-ip.org
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08:51<lord_rob>and it's never updated
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08:52<oldlaptop>Ah. It's probably working fine, unless it's been a day or two since the IP changed
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08:53<oldlaptop>it can take time for a new address to make its way through the whole DNS system all the way to the cache of whatever name server you're using
08:53<lord_rob>no, this IP has never changed for a few months or so
08:54<oldlaptop>I should say 'a few days since you first ran the script'
08:54<lord_rob>even more, I get mails from no-ip to reactivate my account manually unless it will be deleted
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08:56<oldlaptop>Try 'host your-domain nf1.no-ip.com.' or so
08:56<oldlaptop>that will go straight to the source, so to speak
08:56<oldlaptop>or it should
08:56<oldlaptop>nf1.no-ip.com is one of no-ip's own nameservers
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08:58<lord_rob>host myhost.home not found
08:59<lord_rob>Host ***.home not found: 5(REFUSED)
08:59<polyphagia>it's so sad to see chrome with more marketshare than firefox these days :(
08:59<oldlaptop>myhost.home? you *do* need to use the whole domain name (whatever.no-ip.org or so)
09:00<polyphagia>oh sorry wrong chat
09:00<oldlaptop>for 'myhost.no-ip.org' I get
09:00<oldlaptop>myhost.no-ip.org has address 79.130.151.117
09:01<oldlaptop>now, I suspect that's not actually *your* host...
09:01<lord_rob>indeed but I get the same IP now
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09:01<oldlaptop>ah, that's interesting then
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09:02<oldlaptop>You'll want to look at ddclient's logs, if it makes any
09:02<oldlaptop>or else simply run it once from a terminal and see what it says
09:03<lord_rob>firstly, I wanted to configure ddclient with dpkg interface but I was kinda lost
09:03<lord_rob>so I tried to google for something, and found only that ...
09:04<lord_rob>WARNING: file /etc/ddclient.conf: file /etc/ddclient.conf must be accessible only by its owner (fixed).
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09:05<lord_rob>ah it worked then
09:05<lord_rob>ddclient
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09:05<lord_rob>but not /etc/init.d/ddclient restart
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09:07<oldlaptop>interesting.
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09:07<oldlaptop>perhaps you need a value for the daemon variable in that config file
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09:08<oldlaptop>looking at https://github.com/wimpunk/ddclient/blob/master/sample-etc_ddclient.conf
09:08<lord_rob>(but maybe I shouldn't speak here as I'm using SID and I did not think it could be a SID problem)
09:08<oldlaptop>You could also simply run ddclient periodically from cron
09:08<oldlaptop>you should have gone to -next, yes
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09:08<oldlaptop>,v ddclient
09:09<judd>Package: ddclient on i386 -- squeeze: 3.8.0-11.3; wheezy: 3.8.0-11.5; sid: 3.8.2-2; jessie: 3.8.2-2
09:09<oldlaptop>at least there is not a very large version difference
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09:10<lord_rob>maybe a packaging digfference also, dunno ...
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09:11<lord_rob>anyway host works directly
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09:11<lord_rob>I directly see my good IP
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11:15<ducuchu>hola
11:15<ducuchu>:)
11:16<ducuchu>tengo un problema con mi debian.. alguién me puede ayudar?
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11:17<petn-randall>!es
11:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:17<ducuchu>dpkg: gracias
11:17<dpkg>from memory, gracias is thank you
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12:34<polyphagia>lol
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12:50<TheGeremy>hi
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13:24<centrx>!random
13:24<dpkg>Hey centrx, distribution is a collection of software built around a kernel like Linux. Ask me about and <why debian>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
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14:19<exoplanet>Is there a graphical L2TP VPN Client in the Repos for Jessie and Wheezy? There is a plugin for Network-Manager, but sadly Debian doesn't have it in the repo.
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14:24<petn-randall>exoplanet: xl2tpd is apparently a FOSS implementation of L2TP.
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14:25<exoplanet>petn-randall, Sadly no GUI, but still better than packages beyond the repo.
14:25<petn-randall>exoplanet: network-manager should be able to use it, that's a frontend.
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14:27<exoplanet>But only for use not for setup? I installed it and restarted nm but it doesn't make it available when i try to setup a VPN.
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14:28<petn-randall>exoplanet: Not sure. Maybe the documentation will tell you.
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14:42<exoplanet>Thanks. Will see.
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14:44<petn-randall>exoplanet: It might be that you have to restart the daemon for it to pick up the new options. And you probably need the right plugin for nm.
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15:37<deadman36g>hello, total newb here, but anyways, I have a NAS that I ssh into through my mac, and lately I have been getting a message saying 'You have new mail.' I was able to find out how to check the mail but I have no idea what the message means http://hastebin.com/jeyubucuvu.xml
15:38<LtL>deadman36g: easy way= install mutt in a terminal, then type mutt
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15:39<LtL>deadman36g: you should see your mail there
15:40<polyphagia>can't you just do
15:40<polyphagia>cat /var/mail/<username> ?
15:41<LtL>possibly, yes there are other ways. with mutt you can easily mail other users on that box also
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15:42<deadman36g>polyphagia yes I used that method and that is how I got the message I just don’t know what the message means http://hastebin.com/jeyubucuvu.xml
15:43<polyphagia>oh i see
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15:49<deadman36g>any idea that that message means?
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15:50<LtL>deadman36g: its looking for a service named 'access' look in /etc/init.d/ for that service that the cron job seems to require
15:51<deadman36g>yes it is there
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15:52<LtL>deadman36g: you could start it manually and see if cron runs the command
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15:54<LtL>deadman36g: i would find out whhat put that command in cron, looks harmless
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15:54<deadman3_>lost power for a sec, but anyways yes the file access is in /etc/init.d/
15:55<LtL>deadman36g: you could start it manually and see if cron runs the command
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15:56<deadman3_>to manually start I run bash access?
15:57<LtL>deadman36g: then use update-rc.d to to start the process on boot if the init script exists in /etc/rc*.d/
15:58<LtL>deadman36g: /etc/init.d/access start
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15:59<deadman3_>ok, will def try this, takes this NAS forever to reboot
16:00<LtL>no reboot necessary unless youre tesing the startup script
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16:03<deadman3_>power surge in my house casue reboot
16:03<LtL>deadman3_: ouch
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16:44<karl>hi, i try to compile xbmc on jessie on a rpi2 but ./configure gives me the following error: "checking for main in -lbz2... no", however, libbz2-dev is installed. any idea what could be wrong ?
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16:50<lostatwork>why compile xbmc is in the repos
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17:07<karl>the repo version is compiled with opengl, and does not work on rpi
17:07<karl>rpi2
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17:08<sney>if you're using raspbian you should be asking for support in either #raspberrypi or #raspbian, on freenode
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17:12<karl>i am not using raspbian, its a debian jessie box
17:12<karl>rpi2 is armhf
17:14<sney>ah, I thought it was still the same SoC. nice of them to join us in the 2010s
17:14<karl>its really nice, no 3d acceleration, so no gnome, but xfce runs nice and snappy !
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17:15<karl>however, i need to recompile xbmc with --disable-gl --enable-gles but unfortunately i get this ./configure error about lbz2
17:15<sney>anyway, since xbmc is in the repos, you should be able to 'apt-get build-dep xbmc' to get everything it needs for compilation
17:16<karl>i cant find out what it tries to check
17:16<sney>#raspberrypi may still have more relevant information, though
17:16<karl>i already did apt-get build-dep xbmc, then apt-get source xbmc and in there i do the configure
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17:17<karl>and it fails with "checking for main in -lbz2... no"
17:17<sney>huh.
17:17<karl>which does not look like a rpi2 specific error
17:18<karl>libbz2-dev is installed and google is not helpful
17:18<sney>I'm not saying it is, just that other rpi2 users may have hit this before. typical jessie users do not need to recompile xbmc.
17:18<sney>extra configure options will be in debian/rules under the xbmc source tree, there might be an existing workaround in there
17:20<sney>it'll look like dh_auto_configure -- --some-options-here
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17:21<karl>hmm, it seems they already disable opengl for arm...
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17:24<karl>cant find anything about bzip in there
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17:32<blizzard>Hi, I have "Dell Inspiron N5010" with fresh Debian wheezy installation and I face a "weird" wifi problem: only my wifi network is not visible in network manager. I use ASUS RTN10E router, the wifi network is visible&accessible in Windows and in my Android mobile. The network controller is "Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak] [8086:0083]", I'd installed proper driver files by using `sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi`.Any idea?
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17:33<sney>blizzard: have you rebooted since installing the firmware package? sometimes it wants to load at boot
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17:33<karl>bye
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17:33<blizzard>@sney yeah, multiple times
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17:34<sney>if you run 'iwlist wlan0 scan' do you see any access points?
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17:35<blizzard>@sney I see multiple access points except mine
17:36<sney>ok, can you associate to your access point manually?
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17:37<blizzard>@sney manually, you mean using "connect to hidden wireless network" option
17:37<sney>yeah, or turn off network-manager and 'iwconfig wlan0 essid your-network-name-here'
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17:43<blizzard>@sney Executed "sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager stop" to turn off and "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid blizzard"
17:43<blizzard>how to check the result?
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17:43<sney>wait a few seconds then just 'iwconfig' with no arguments
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17:44<sney>if it's associated it'll show the essid plus the mac address of the ap and some bandwidth and radio numbers
17:44<blizzard>wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"blizzard"
17:44<blizzard> Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=14 dBm
17:44<blizzard> Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
17:44<blizzard> Encryption key:off
17:44<blizzard> Power Management:off
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17:44<sney>sigh
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17:45<sney>"Access Point: Not-Associated" tells you everything you need to know from that
17:46<sney>is your ap set to 5GHz exclusively or something that your nic might not support? the centrino n1000 is an older chip, I think
17:49<blizzard>@sney RT N10E have only operating frequency 2.4Ghz
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17:51<sney>no idea then. weird.
17:51<blizzard>I also resetted the modem, explored multiple bandwidth limit, changed from router mode to "Access point" mode, created new "ssid" and tried "WPA/WPA2 Personal/Enterprise"
17:51<sney>I'd say try a backports kernel but the database says there's no support for that nic in newerk ernels
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17:53<sney>try different channels on the ap?
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17:54<SamB_laptop>regulatory problems?
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17:54<SamB_laptop>why does the ap need to be set to a channel in the first place?
17:55<sney>to reduce traffic issues from other APs, generally
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17:55<SamB_laptop>is that just for its outgoing traffic, I guess?
17:55<blizzard>Yes done that also, It was working fine for me in Linux mint but after mint update I was unable to access, after failing to resolve in mint, I'd installed wheezy in the hope it will provide compatibility
17:55<sney>sorry, a mint update broke your wifi?
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17:56<blizzard>yes, I was using Qiana for a while and able to access my wifi, suddenly one day it stopped working in Linux
17:57<blizzard>I have no idea, I tried to access the WIFI by live booting in Qiana and in Ubuntu 14.04 but in vain
17:58<blizzard>Just out of curiosity is WPS mode, b/g/n have any role in accessing the wifi ?
17:58<sney>I have 2 theories: hardware problem (maybe even a disconnected antenna), or something changed in a kernel update that broke iwlwifi for your nic
17:58<sney>not really
17:59<sney>it should still be able to see the ap regardless of that stuff
17:59<sney>if you could see it but not connect then I might suspect 802.11 modes but otherwise
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18:00<sney>anyway, my advice would be to try an old livecd - like an ubuntu 12 or 10 and see if that works
18:00<sney>and if it does then it's the driver/kernel update that did it
18:00<blizzard>I think Hardware problem is not an issue, since I am able to access in windows 7 in the same machine
18:01<sney>oh, windows was the same machine? ok. well, try the old livecd to be sure.
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18:01<blizzard>yeah.
18:02<blizzard>@sney thanks for the help. I will try to resolve
18:02<sney>np
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18:05<detly>I'm trying to figure out what to put in a preseed .cfg file for a live-build configuration. I've read a lot of guides on preseeding, and I understand the syntax, but I don't understand how to find out what the actual configuration keys are for a given package. How do I find that out?
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18:26<detly>for that matter, how do you see the possible values for those keys
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18:32<detly>...and third, is there any way to see some long form description text for the particularly cryptic ones (eg. "console-setup/fontsize-fb47" vs "console-setup/fontsize-text47" vs "console-setup/fontsize" isn't really self-explanatory, but presumably they present more text than that to the user during manual configuration)
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18:42<jhutchins>detly: That's up to the individual packages. Most of them come pretty much whole from "upstream" projects and are just tested, patched, and sometimes tweaked a bit.
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18:42<jhutchins>detly: Track down the upstream project at sourceforge or wherever, find out what they have available.
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18:43<detly>jhutchins: but the debconf database is a debian thing, not an upstream thing... how would they know what keys debian developers assign to their software's configuration?
18:44<detly>(also, console-setup has no upstream)
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18:45<jhutchins>detly: Sounds like you know enough about it to figure out your own method.
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18:46<detly>jhutchins: well, no, because I can't really find any documentation for it, and it's not in the man pages for any of the debconf tools
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18:50<SamB_laptop>detly: well, do you have an already-installed box to poke around on?
18:50<SamB_laptop>detly: because that would probably help
18:51<themill>detly: the questions and the keys they relate to are in the debian/*.templates files in the source package. The questions are asked by the debian/*.config files and the values used there and in debian/*.postinst. Installing and configuring the package in your test harness and then using debconf-get-selections is the normal way of finding the keys and desired values
18:52<detly>themill: cheers, I'm just finding that out now
18:52<detly>although I still can't see where the choices come from
18:53<detly>eg. in the console-setup.templates file it has "Choices: ${CHOICES}"
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18:53<detly>perhaps that's set in some other package file
18:53<themill>That will be autopopulated on package build
18:53<detly>ah
18:53<themill>no sense in having that data in two places
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18:54<themill>or actually it might be done at config time by the looks of it: db_subst $template CHOICES "$choices"
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18:55<detly>looks like there's a function in console-setup.config that enumerates things
18:56<detly>okay, that'll get me going
18:56<detly>thanks
18:56*SamB_laptop is looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-setup.templates and /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-setup.config
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19:00<detly>okay, time to reboot and test
19:00<detly>cheers
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20:19<domovoy>what is the difference between "apt-get linux-source" and "apt-get source linux"?
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20:34<rudi_s>domovoy: The first doesn't work because "linux-source" is an invalid subcommand.
20:35<rudi_s>The second downloads the source deb of the linux package.
20:36<domovoy>rudi_s: sorry, i meant "apt-get install linux-source"
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20:39<rudi_s>domovoy: linux-source is a package which installs a tarball of the linux kernel source.
20:39<rudi_s>source linux downloads the source of the debian package which can be used to build all linux-* kernel binary packages (including linux-source I think).
20:40<rudi_s>So if you want to build a kernel install linux-source, if you want to work on the debian package (which you most likely don't) then use apt-get source.
20:40<domovoy>rudi_s: and if i want to cross-build a kernel for another architecture?
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20:43<rudi_s>domovoy: I don't know how to cross-compile kernel, but I think linux-source should work.
20:43<rudi_s>But I don't know which options you need for that.
20:43<domovoy>rudi_s: ok, thanks
20:44<rudi_s>domovoy: https://romanrm.net/a10/cross-compile-kernel <- this looks ok (and needs just the source, so linux-source is enough)
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20:48<domovoy>rudi_s: this howto uses the emdebian toolchain, which is not valid anymore (at least on sid)
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20:48<rudi_s>domovoy: But it tells you all you need is a crosscompiler and the kernel source.
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20:50<domovoy>rudi_s: right
20:51<rudi_s>domovoy: Btw. what is the recommended way to crosscompile in sid nowadays?
20:53<domovoy>rudi_s: no idea, i get to the source directory and "export ARCH=arm; make menuconfig; make uImage" and put the uImage on my tftp server, and then my device boots it
20:54<rudi_s>How do you get the necessary gcc cross compiler?
20:54<domovoy>ho, forgot "export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi-"
20:55<rudi_s>And how did you install that one? Is it a normal debian package?
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20:57<domovoy>rudi_s: i built and installed cross-gcc-4.9-armel, patching it so that it builds on i386, on amd64 it seems you can just install the binary package
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21:01<domovoy>rudi_s: "apt-get source cross-gcc-4.9-armel; sed -i 's/amd64/& i386/' cross-gcc-4.9-armel-11/debian/control; cd cross-gcc-4.9-armel-11 && dpkg-buildpackage"
21:01<rudi_s>domovoy: Ah, nice. Thanks.
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21:05<domovoy>rudi_s: of course you'll need the armel libs necessary for building the package, dpkg-buildpackage will tell you what it needs (there may be a better way than making it fail and look for its error message about missing packages though)
21:06<rudi_s>Thanks, will try it this way the next time I need a cross compiler.
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21:07<domovoy>rudi_s: if you need help #debian-bootstrap are very reactive, i wouldn't have done it without their help
21:07<rudi_s>Good to know, thanks.
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21:21<Chanku>Um, I need some help with installing Debian...Mainly I'm having a slight issue with the installer...
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21:21<martingale>what are you having trouble with?
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21:22<Chanku>Well it's when it gets to the parition step...
21:22<Chanku>I select the Hard Drive I want to install debian too and let it do it's thing, however it seems to be messing up a little
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21:23<martingale>what do you mean messing up?
21:24<awal>Chnanku: are you trying to install debian alongside another OS?
21:24<awal>Chanku ^
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21:27<Chanku>Well I do have Windows 7 technically installed
21:28<Chanku>albeit I'm installing to a different HDD
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21:28<Chanku>Also by messing up I mean giving the message, "The attempt to mount a file system with type swap in SCSI6(0,0,0), parition #5(sclb) at none failed."
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21:28<jinn>why u need windows 7 it is shit
21:29<Chanku>Because I'm swapping from Windows 7
21:29<sney>ah, opinions
21:29<jinn>linux (systems) is best
21:29<Chanku>plus I still need it for a few games...
21:29<jinn>lol games XD
21:29<sney>Chanku: how much ram do you have? if it's 4GB or more you can safely skip swap, unless you plan on using hibernate
21:29<martingale>Chanku, you should be able to specify that the partition be used for swap
21:29<jinn>lol u can play on linuc
21:30<Chanku>I have 4GB...albeit it's DDR2, but still 4GB...
21:30<jinn>linux*
21:30<martingale>this is different from setting it''s mount point to none
21:30<jinn>ddr2 XDDDDDDDDD
21:30<jinn>u are old human ? XD
21:30<Chanku>No
21:30<jinn>old pc?
21:30<Chanku>Pretty Much
21:30<jinn>aaa okay
21:30<Chanku>Core 2 Duo CPU...
21:30<jinn>how much hdd?
21:30<Chanku>I have 3..
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21:31<jinn>yeah this good
21:31<Chanku>a 150 GB, 50GB, and 1TB
21:31<sney>Chanku: yeah, swap is optional with 4GB
21:31<Chanku>Okay
21:31<jinn>u ca install one widows 7 and one depian
21:31<sney>there may be another issue though
21:31<Chanku>I'm trying to use the 50GB one.
21:31<Chanku>another issue?
21:31<jinn>hmmm why my swap is 7 gb XD
21:31<jinn>now i use laptip
21:31<sney>well, usually mkswap doesn't fail
21:31<jinn>laptop*
21:32<Chanku>Hrm...
21:32<jinn>hmmm i used automatic because i fucking noob XD
21:32<sney>clearly.
21:32<Chanku>That's what I'm trying to use...
21:32<awal>Chanku: are you installing wheezy or jessie?
21:32<Chanku>wheezy
21:33<awal>ok. bcuz if it were jessie, installer may be buggy ...ok, forget it
21:33<jinn>if u want play why u not install jessie ?
21:33<Chanku>I have my reasons for not using jessie
21:33<sney>jinn: because people new to debian should probably not be using pre-release software. maybe later, after they're used to it and can handle something breaking
21:34<awal>jinn: let people help that guy instead of giving opinions :)
21:34<martingale>Even if you decide to install jessie, the recommended method of doing so is to install wheezy and then updating your sources.list to jessie sources
21:34<Chanku>okay
21:34<Chanku>Although I probably won't be installing jessie
21:34<themill>the jessie rc1 installer should work just fine
21:34<martingale>"The testing installer is more for testing the installer than for installing testing"
21:35<sney>jinn: if you have a support question, ask it in the channel. if you want to ramble opinions, go in #debian-offtopic. Don't private message people without asking.
21:35<themill>martingale: fyi, I wrote that.
21:35<Chanku>also keep in mind that I am using the Live CD..
21:35<sney>Chanku: ah. the live installer is a little oddball. try with the standard one from cdimage.debian.org
21:35<Chanku>Yeah...
21:35<Chanku>Um...
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21:36<Chanku>I'm kinda using the Live CD to be on this chat...
21:36<sney>they are hybrid images and can be written to usb sticks
21:36<jinn>okay sney
21:36<Chanku>I only have one USB...
21:36<Chanku>and it's what I'm using
21:36<jinn>sney: lol i dont rember how this work
21:37<Chanku>Although I could boot into TinyCore for a short period of time I guess...
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21:37<sney>yeah. the live installer isn't impossible but you'll get better support if you use the regular one. it should work without issue as long as your hardware is fine.
21:38<Chanku>Okay
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21:39<awal>choose your architecture from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/7.8.0/ Chanku
21:39<sney>he already quit
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21:45<vegeta315>hello
21:45<sney>hi
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21:45<vegeta315>how are you sney
21:46<sney>I'm ok. do you have a debian question? if you're just here to chat try joining #moocows
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21:49<vegeta315>yes i have a question
21:50<vegeta315>i just did a fresh install and i got my flash to work
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21:50<vegeta315>now i want to make my terminal windows to default and open transparent i installed aterm
21:51<vegeta315>but i cant figure out how to add it to my applications list
21:51<vegeta315>i have to launch it through a regular term window
21:51<sney>most packages come with menu entries
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21:52<sney>you can also launch things through alt+f2 in some environments
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21:53<vegeta315>but is there a way i can save that instead of doing alt+f2 all the time
21:53<sney>I guess it doesn't come with a .desktop file. that's weird.
21:54<sney>you can make a .desktop file, it's a couple lines of text then put it in /usr/share/applications.
21:55<vegeta315>ok so i know the command i need to start the aterm transparent
21:55<vegeta315>but it also opens a term window will it do that all the time?
21:56<sney>http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/apa.html the Exec line is where you would specify the command.
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21:58<vegeta315>do i save it with the name aterm?
21:59<sney>aterm.desktop would make sense
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22:03<vegeta315>ok thank you so much for the help so far so good with debian 7 on my old hp pavilion zt3000 laptop installed with no real issues
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22:50<aidalgol>Why is linux-patch-3.2-rt.patch, and only this patch, installed as a separate file by linux-source-3.2, rather than being pre-applied to the tarball?
22:54<SamB_laptop>aidalgol: aren't there some kernels with and some without that patch?
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22:57<aidalgol>SamB_laptop: I have no idea. I haven't needed/wanted to build my own kernel in over 6 years.
22:57<SamB_laptop>why now?
22:57<aidalgol>Oh, I just noticed this paragraph: "Note that the SMI detector should *NEVER* be used in a production environment. It is intended to be run manually to determine if the hardware platform has a problem with long system firmware service routines."
22:57<aidalgol>That would be why.
22:58<aidalgol>SamB_laptop: I would rather not answer that because this tends to lead to ricer debates.
22:58<aidalgol>Let's just say my needs have changed.
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22:59<SamB_laptop>wow, really?
23:00<aidalgol>Well, #debian may be more disciplined than other channels I've seen this topic brought up in.
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23:04<SamB_laptop>aidalgol: hmm, so are you proposing to use the -rt patch for multimedia? that's not overkill?
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23:05<SamB_laptop>maybe I'm confused because of what came up when I tried to google the SMI detector
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