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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-03-04

---Logopened Wed Mar 04 00:00:12 2015
---Daychanged Wed Mar 04 2015
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00:43<Dan>d
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00:52<Dan>how does this work?
00:52-!-Fin [~chatzilla@108-250-226-115.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
00:52<martingale>How does what work?
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04:41<ph0b0s>is it possible to find when changes in file permissions occured, with syslog or any in other manner?
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04:44<jm_>there are tools written to detect that, i.e. tripwire
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04:45<ph0b0s>will it detect the timestamps post change?
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04:46<ph0b0s>i mean if i install it after the change?
04:46<jm_>no
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04:47<ph0b0s>bummer.. thanks anyway
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04:48<theocrite>You can also use inotify-tools.
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04:49<SynrGy>i vaguely recall debian package changes to suid may be logged ...
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04:57<SynrGy>wow. really old :) yeah, once upon a time there was suidmanager. i think now superceded by dpkg-statoverride
04:58<SynrGy>funny, the ancient debian factoids still rattling around in my brain
04:58<SynrGy>that transition began in 2001 apparently
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05:03<SynrGy>ph0b0s: anyway, if your investigation runs along the lines of 'was there a benign reason permissions changed? perhaps a package upgrade deliberately changed it?' then knowing if a debian package changed them might be of some help.
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05:09<S-nope>I am trying to install i3 version 4.8.2 on wheezy using the directions on this link https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/i3/download but I get stuck on the downloading it from the subdirectory pool/main/i/i3-wm/
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05:09<SynrGy>'stuck'?
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05:10<SynrGy>,v i3
05:10<judd>Package: i3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.e-bf1-2; squeeze-backports: 4.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.8-1~bpo70+1; sid: 4.8-2; jessie: 4.8-2; experimental: 4.9-1
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05:11<SynrGy>S-nope: you're doing it wrong :p
05:11<SynrGy>and ... gone :p
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05:21<KolK>Hi! I'm looking for good tool for synchronisation. I'd like to synchronise directory on my pendrive with directory on local computer. I don't need network or cloud support.
05:22<KolK>I'm using Debian 7
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05:22<SynrGy>rsync
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05:25<dfduran>yes, rsync
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05:27<KolK>Thank you guys! I'll check it
05:29<kwork_>KolK: unison
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05:40<KolK>Both unison and rsync seems to be good enough for me. I'll have to use both some time to decide which to use :) Thanks for your advice kwork_, SynrGy and dfduran!
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05:48<dfduran>KolK: you're welcome
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06:37<live>debhelper are you there
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06:39<live>hello anyone?
06:39<live>bab?
06:39<themill>!ask
06:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:41<emj___>in bash I get "bash: /usr/bin/node: No such file or directory" when I write "node"... I don't get how I can get such an error.
06:41<live>i have a problem knowing how to download on sparkylinux live cd with no harddisk in annd i cannot seem to get adobe flash player
06:42<musca>!sparky
06:42<dpkg>SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>.
06:43<live>how can i make the fonts bigger for this chat
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06:43<emj___>wild guess ctrl-+
06:43<musca>ctrl-+
06:44<emj___>but it does tun under strace...
06:44<emj___>s/tun/run/
06:45<emj___>strace node. works and using an absolute path works. hmm oh well I've probably just need to wake up.
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08:03<md_>can anyone help me this error configure.ac:6: installing `./install-sh
08:06<SynrG>Hopelessly lacking enough context to help ...
08:06<SynrG>What are you trying to accomplish, in end user terms?
08:07<SynrG>The ultimate goal i mean
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08:19<md_>configure.ac:6: required file `./install-sh' not found
08:19<md_>configure.ac:6: `automake --add-missing' can install `install-sh'
08:19<md_>configure.ac:6: required file `./missing' not found
08:19<md_>configure.ac:6: `automake --add-missing' can install `missing'
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08:20<SynrG>Cross posting, off topic and paste flooding. I had wanted to say "learn to irc" but thought it too harsh
08:20<SynrG>Should've followed my gut
08:21<jm_>i've seen that paste yesterday too
08:21<SynrG>Sigh
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09:34<Eduard_Munteanu>Hi. I'd like to start an X session without a DM from systemd. Is it possible without "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common"? I tried setting StandardInput=tty-force et al. but it still complains the user isn't authorized.
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10:16<averythomas>anyone know why this doesn't delete files older than 7 days?
10:16<averythomas>http://pastebin.com/DvKCMWrP
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10:23<inkbottle>Hi, does anyone know why "sage" or "sagemath" in not available in Debian as stated there: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/cantor-backend-sage?
10:24<inkbottle>it seems to be licensed under GPL though
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10:53<Plinker>nickserv identify Plinker blueniagra
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11:19<phillipsjk>It is looking like a Debian update I did on January 31st clobbered my mail configuration. Should I report this as a bug?
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11:19<phillipsjk>Normally Debian is good about not clobbering user settings.
11:20<centrx>It sounds like a bug
11:20<centrx>Are there any similar bug reports on the bug page for the mail package?
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11:27<phillipsjk>not seeing any bugs in exim4 obviously linked to configuration file migration. Because it was over a month ago, I don't even remember if I was asked any special questions about changing the configuration.
11:27<centrx>Yeah if you don't really have any info on it it is hard to write a bug report
11:27<centrx>Could have been caused by something else you don't remember even now
11:28<centrx>I would try to reproduce it first
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11:28<centrx>It could also have been due to some manual custom change that was in your particular config file, that others have not encountered
11:29<centrx>So if you can't reproduce it or provide specific data for it, it may not be worth it to file a bug
11:29<phillipsjk>I just know that when I was complaining to my webhost about mail suddenly not working, I found that the exim configuration was changed on the 31st of January.
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11:29<phillipsjk>I am not even sure the original is still around >.>
11:30<phillipsjk>I guess I can troll dpkg logs.
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11:46<patachu>hey support
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11:47<patachu>network icon all broken! is bad! administration menu is kill!
11:47<patachu>>updating Debian
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11:48<patachu>salut Killian
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11:52<patachu>so, am i the only guy around who's got issues with that system menu/administration gone, and the notification area showing no networks?
11:53<patachu>fresh reformat+reinstall btw, my only mistake has been to launch the system update program
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11:55<dondelelcaro>patachu: sorry, I don't know what menu you're talking about, unfortunately. if you're using gnome, you might want to say that so someone here can help you out.
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11:58<patachu>i'm on gnome
11:58<patachu>indeed
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11:58<patachu>debian squeeze x64 / gnome 2
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12:00<patachu>kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 on a FX8320 8GB RAM
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12:01<patachu>and i just see that it detects my cpu at 1400MHz
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12:01<patachu>what the fuck
12:01<patachu>brb
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12:43<Jaleks>my disk is full, can anyone help? :-)
12:43<patachu>delete all the pony
12:44<Jaleks>naw, for serious, 'df' shows it is full although there still should be place. additionally, deleting a pony does not free a single byte
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12:44<blast007>patachu: you CPU probably clocks down to lower speeds to save power (or as thermal protection)
12:44<patachu>and i hate it
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12:44<patachu>so i came back and indeed it is working better on windows
12:44<patachu>i have necountered another issue
12:44<patachu>i need to install my nvidia packages
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12:45<patachu>it tells me i need the libgcc thing
12:45<patachu>when i attempt to install this
12:45<blast007>Jaleks: a percentage of the filesystem is reserved for root only (to prevent a normal user from completely filling up the file system). A 5% reservation is common.
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12:46<patachu><< The following packages have unmet dependencies: gcc : Depends: gcc-4.4 (>= 4.4.5-1~) but it is not going to be installed Recommends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or ibc-dev >>
12:46<patachu>... and he ends like, whispering loike the creep he is <<E: Broken packages>>
12:46<Jaleks>blast007: thx, that might be the case here, root still can write...
12:47<patachu>yeah might be a quota thing
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12:48<Jaleks>how can i reduce the size which is reserved? because there are still > 35GB free, which i do not want to waste…
12:48<patachu>linux is know to be a user-specific, attributing partitions sometimes. that's why i don't install it on the same drive as my documents/downloads
12:48<patachu>balance partitions' size using gparted
12:48<patachu>ah yeah gparted, why isn't this software not installed by default anymore?
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12:49<blast007>patachu: which version of Debian are you running?
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12:49<Jaleks>argh, my storage partition (ext3) has to be large, i'm sure there will be a way without resizing?
12:50<patachu>squeeze on a 64bit machine
12:50<blast007>Jaleks: hard drives are cheap too. the reservation may also be there for other reasons, such as file system stability.
12:51<patachu>yeah jaleks, if you're on a SSD i also recommend a good big 1TB to store your documents
12:51<Jaleks>blast007: there are more then 5% of blocks fres, fschk told, so that should be no problem, i'd think. also inodes are over 90% free
12:51<patachu>i wonder how bloated my 16Gb SSD is now
12:51<Jaleks>patachu: SSD and ext3? ugh
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12:52<blast007>!bat
12:52<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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12:52<blast007>patachu: ^
12:53<patachu>thank you, 007
12:53<blast007>patachu: and any reason you're not running Wheezy?
12:53<patachu>i don't like it.
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12:53<patachu>i'm here to get help not ot get shilled into using gnome 3
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12:54<blast007>there's plenty of other desktop environments in Debian
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12:55<patachu>it's not my problem, my current problem is on getting my nvidia driver to work, and getting my broken packages thing to be resolved alright?
12:55<patachu>you can help me with this ?
12:55<blast007>maybe
12:56<blast007>my hope is that we can at least get some more information so that someone can help
12:56<Jaleks>thx, guys: 'tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sda11' got me ++30GB back :-)
12:57<blast007>Jaleks: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7950/reserved-space-for-root-on-a-filesystem-why
12:58<blast007>Jaleks: so sounds like ext4 may have less of a need for the reserved space than ext3
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12:59<patachu>ok trying it again
12:59<patachu>http://paste.debian.net/159649/
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13:00<patachu>blast007: if instead you know a program that could be nice to have to fix all these dependencies isues that would be neat
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13:01<blast007>patachu: can you provide the other information that dpkg mentioned as well?
13:01<patachu>how do i gather those?
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13:02<blast007>'apt-cache policy gcc gcc-4.4 libc-dev' and 'apt-cache policy'
13:02<patachu>in fact i don't think i have used dpkg since i reinstalled this debian
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13:02<blast007>I mean dpkg, the bot here in the channel :)
13:02<patachu>how are we as humans supposed top know all that
13:04<patachu>here's the output http://paste.debian.net/159653/
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13:05<Jaleks>blast007: yep, maybe i should change over, thx
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13:05<anonymous>Hi
13:05<patachu>and even with that, even after killing; slaughtering and burying for a moment the X server, nvidia's installer still won't make it
13:05<patachu>HI ANON
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13:06<blast007>patachu: and what about 'apt-cache policy'?
13:06<blast007>which nvidia installer are you using? the one from nvidia.com? Because that one is not a supported method of install.
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13:07<patachu>http://paste.debian.net/159655/
13:07<patachu>here it is
13:07<patachu>honestly i can't find anything wrong in there
13:08<patachu>okay what is a supporeted method of install now?
13:08<blast007>does an 'apt-get update' finish without errors?
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13:08<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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13:09<xXItzHackzXx>Hi
13:09<blast007>xXItzHackzXx: do you have a Debian support question?
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13:11<patachu>blast : here"s apt-get update
13:11<patachu>http://paste.debian.net/159658/
13:11<patachu>lots of 404s
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13:12<patachu>i'm gonna try adding this and see if i can install them
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13:13<blast007>commenting out the references to archive.debian.org in your /etc/apt/sources.list (and then running another update) should take care of that. this may also be relevant if you insist on using Squeeze: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
13:13<patachu>okay
13:14<patachu>isn't there like a /etc/apt/sources.list that works fine out there?
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13:15<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using
13:16<blast007>(I do not know what exactly adding the -lts repo will do, so don't necessarily do that.. but it's one possible option - and you have backups, right?) ;)
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13:16<patachu>this SSD had originally an exact copyu of my thinkpoad's gentoio on it
13:16<blast007>is your nVidia card a new-ish model?
13:16<patachu>then i upgraded it to Debian tyhinking it would be worth it
13:17<patachu>9800GT
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13:17<patachu>and my fingers are hurting it's been threez days i'm on trying to get this orking
13:17<blast007>k, then the 195 driver in squeeze should support that card
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13:19<patachu>it seems to be working, finally
13:19<patachu>thezn going to try to install other softwares
13:19<patachu>>proprietary
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13:20<patachu>;~ ; pardon me, RMS.
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13:21<patachu>still another thing
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13:22<patachu>i think we are finallyt getting to fijnd why the nentworks don't appear on the notification icon
13:22<blast007>patachu: Debian Jessie will have the option of MATE or Cinnamon that might give you the experience you want. (MATE is even in Wheezy Backports right now)
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13:22<patachu>i like Gnome2 for now; i don't thinkj installing nother one will fix that
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13:22<blast007>MATE is Gnome 2 based
13:22<patachu>i know
13:23<patachu>http://paste.debian.net/159661/
13:23<patachu>would it fix this?
13:24<lostatwork>the realtek firmware is not installed that is why you get that error
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13:24<patachu>ah
13:24<patachu>still my NIC is obviously installed and operational
13:25<patachu>and the icon on the bottom edge remains with an X on it
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13:25<patachu>i'm new on linux thus said ; is there a command that tells me like on windows which NIC and what is its IP running on?
13:25<pangolinrollin>ifconfig / iwconfig
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13:26<patachu>thank you
13:26<pangolinrollin>yw
13:27<blast007>the package 'firmware-realtek' would provide that firmware
13:28<patachu>done
13:29<patachu>gonna reboot and test all that, still this remains a lot of things unanswered....
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13:29<patachu>*is there a wireless utility other than the thing they put on the taskbar notiufication with the networks available and all that N
13:29<patachu>?
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13:30<patachu>(pardon my englishj)
13:30<patachu>(and my keyboard, the model M is a bit too noisy)
13:30<patachu>brb rebooting
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13:35<hdon>hi all :) how can i interrogate a package installed by apt to find out what exactly it does when the package is dpkg --configure'd?
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13:36<dondelelcaro>hdon: it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg.{post,pre}{rm,inst}
13:36<dondelelcaro>and also .config
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13:36<hdon>thanks :)
13:36<patachu>dondelelcaro: intresting, so far im' gonna do this before i download an "upgrade"
13:38<patachu>okay the 9800gt's drivers seems good
13:38<patachu>still can't get the wireless right
13:39<pangolinrollin>what wireless are you trying?
13:39<patachu>first i tried a lsusb
13:39<pangolinrollin>are you finding appropriate from "lspci"?
13:40<patachu>that command is not by default ...
13:40<patachu>lspci
13:40<pangolinrollin>? default
13:40<patachu>-v
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13:40<patachu>one second
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13:42<cjac>hey folks
13:42<cjac>I've got a question about /etc/network/interfaces and ipsec tunnels
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13:42<patachu>pangolinrollin: http://paste.debian.net/159663/
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13:43<pangolinrollin>is this a usb dongle? or internal
13:43<patachu>and no , could not find it ther
13:43<patachu>a little dongle
13:44<pangolinrollin>ohhhhhh :)
13:44<patachu>hehe
13:44<pangolinrollin>lsusb output?
13:44<patachu>it's not working
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13:44<pangolinrollin>what does it say
13:44<patachu>well, command not found - i can't explain what's going on with that doistro
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13:45<patachu>i used a mint CD previously that supported that little netgear thing
13:45<cjac>The way I normally set up ipsec endpoints is to add the ipsec tunnel address to the interface through which the tunnel is established. For instance, I have a route to the colo-side endpoint (208.115.126.78) through eth1. The address of the tunnel is 100.64.105.2/30 on this end, so I add 100.64.105.2/30 to eth1. I have a return route to the VM on my laptop through eth0, and the address of that end of the ipsec tunnel is 100.64.105.1/30, so I add that addre
13:45<patachu>and with all the commands
13:45<patachu>including lsusb.. .
13:45<blast007>lsusb is part of the 'usbutils' package
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13:46<patachu>blast: once again, thanks
13:46<patachu>you're a bro. if you have a special request in return, i owe you a free drawing
13:46<pangolinrollin>why type of install did you use? -_-
13:46<pangolinrollin>*what
13:46<patachu>me ?
13:46<cjac>I run a GRE tunnel on top of the ipsec tunnel, and since the GRE tunnel creates a named interface of its own, I have an entry for it in /etc/network/interfaces
13:46<patachu>nvm
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13:47<patachu>pangolinrollinrollinrollin yeah>[Realtek RTL8188CUS]
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13:48<cjac>since the GRE tunnel depends on the ipsec tunnel being up, I put the ipsec up <tunnel name> || true and ip addr add 100.64.105.X/30 dev Y in the pre-up section of the GRE interface entry
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13:49<blast007>!RTL8188CU
13:49<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
13:50<blast007>looks like squeeze has kernel version 2.6.32, so you may be out of luck with that old distro
13:51<patachu>old?
13:51<cjac>When I put the VM to sleep, eth1 goes down and loses the address for the ipsec tunnel, and therefore the GRE tunnel fails
13:51<patachu>we're on march
13:51<blast007>patachu: squeeze
13:52<cjac>I don't want to do an ifdown <gre tunnel> ; ifup <gre tunnel> because then I'll lose any open TCP sessions and the like
13:52<patachu>yeah only a couple of months old but once it will be all set up it will remain like this
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13:52<patachu>like the XP i always use on my X61t
13:52<cjac>is it legit to have entries in the interfaces file for interfaces that don't, in fact exist? :-)
13:52<cjac>I guess I could just try...
13:52<patachu>er T61p.
13:53<blast007>patachu: months? no... years.. Squeeze came out in 2011. Wheezy came out in 2013.
13:53<patachu>ah ok
13:54<patachu>cjac : if it tells you something like "X is already installed"
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13:57<cjac>Cannot find device "sip0-ipsec"
13:57<cjac>Failed to bring up sip0-ipsec.
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13:59<patachu>007: i found that wget 193.16.217.9/files/rtl8192CU_linux_v2.0.939.20100726-bin.tar.gz
14:00<patachu>in case of someone else is stuck in an old wheezy and have the 8188
14:00<cjac>what would be best would be if I could get a named interface for the ipsec tunnel...
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14:00<patachu>cjac : wish i could help...
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14:01<cjac>patachu: no worries. I appreciate the sentiment :-)
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14:03<hdon>hi again all :) how can i find out which apt source a package is from on my system?
14:03<hdon>either installed packages, or just what would be installed if i did apt-get install
14:04<jrabbit>Hrm?
14:04<jrabbit>hdon: i'm not clear on what you're asking?
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14:05<jrabbit>hdon: you want to find out what dependencies a package has?
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14:08<hdon>jrabbit: nope :)
14:08<hdon>suppose i apt-get install foo
14:08<hdon>how can i know which apt source provides the package?
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14:08<hdon>just on my system with my apt sources
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14:08<hdon>i realize multiple apt sources might collide on package names
14:08<jrabbit>ohhhhhh which repo its from
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14:09<jrabbit>im not sure i actually know
14:09<blast007>hdon: 'apt-cache policy PkgNameHere' *might* do that for you
14:09<patachu>( even the MAKE command was missing here hahaha )
14:09<hdon>i will check
14:10<hdon>thank you blast007 and jrabbit :)
14:10<patachu>based Blast
14:10<patachu>brb
14:10<blast007>patachu: well, make is generally not part of the base system
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14:27<patachu>okay just a couple of last things
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14:27<patachu>is there an alternative to NetworkManager Applet ?
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14:28<patachu>and it seems that someone else encountered the "no more preference and administration on the system menu"
14:30<patachu>http://giantdorks.org/alain/fix-for-missing-system-menu-preferences-and-administration-in-gnome-2-debian-ubuntu-etc/ shortcut to the control centre as a workaround
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14:30<patachu>i'd relake a shelf with all the shortcuts though
14:30<patachu>if it's feasiible
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14:32*patachu has found back his big Atheros dongle
14:32<patachu>iwconfig can see it
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14:33<patachu>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/876011 why gnome 3 is bad
14:34<patachu>>all that dependencies
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14:35<patachu>i want the reactOS project to finally deliver something godly so bad
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14:38<patachu>okay i'm nbot the only one with that unfixed bug
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14:38<patachu>gotta love it when there's a good distro that's left between the hands of a bunch of hipsters who think they're doing good
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14:40<blast007>patachu: again.. there are MANY different options in Debian Wheezy/Jessie besides Gnome 3..
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14:42<patachu>there are many newer bugs and thoiongs i'll have to fix after the update
14:42<patachu>and so on
14:42<patachu>at least those on this old version are all listed
14:42<patachu> i'm used to this
14:43<blast007>and there are many bugs that will never be fixed in your version ;)
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14:45<patachu>as long it works, then, ARCH
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14:51<SamB_laptop>blast007: well, um
14:51<SamB_laptop>!cadt
14:51<SamB_laptop>hmm, dpkg doesn't know that one huh
14:52<awal>Using fluxbox/pcmanfm. How I can create a menu shortcut and a keyboard shortcut for empty recicle bin?
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14:54<SamB_laptop>anyway, CADT stands for Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers; refers to the tendency to keep reinventing components and closing all the bugs reported against the old component, regardless of whether or not the new one actually did anything for the problem...
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14:59<santexnik>guys what is the next command after update-grub os-prober isnt doing it
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15:08<patachu>azeyuio$
15:08<patachu>sorry
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15:44<awal>Any app for video/photos apart guvcview and cheese? some app light
15:44<abrotman>you need to be more descriptive in your requirements
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15:46<CatMtKing>i'm tentatively looking up info on how to setup multitouch gestures for my synaptics touchpad. is touchegg the way to go?
15:49<awal>abrotman: I just want an app for grab video about X subject and send it for someone, almost university stuffs
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15:50<abrotman>you mean you want to make a video?
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15:50<patachu>with a webcam?
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15:51<patachu>i think Cheese makes this
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15:55<awal>yes make a video with webcam, but grabe my self no desktop like with recordmydesktop
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15:55<patachu>try cheese
15:56<awal>I'm using pure fluxbox and cheese have a lot off gnome libs deps and guvcview is all the time buggy. so lookin for something light, basic
15:56<patachu>if it still exist on the new debian
15:56<patachu>ah i see
15:56<patachu>i kept having issues with these dependencies
15:57<patachu>even installing something simple and cute like Audacious retorted "muh dependencies"
15:57<patachu>sorry i have no idea
15:57<awal>no problem patachu :)
16:00<abrotman>awal: uhm .. xav ? Is that what it's called? xawtv?
16:00<abrotman>I can't remember
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16:02<patachu>i'd just take a video from my camera and then upload it
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16:05<awal>abrotman: yes, I have that app, xawtv
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16:06<awal>but I never was able to know how to use it for grab
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16:07<patachu>http://www.blackmoreops.com/2013/11/25/how-to-fix-wired-network-interface-device-not-managed-error/
16:07<patachu>gedit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and set it true is just the fix i needed
16:07<awal>xawtv I think its only for watch tv and stuffs like that
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16:08<patachu>WHAT kind of autistophrenic psychopath kind of person willingly set it by default to false
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16:11<blast007>patachu: it's set up that way so that NetworkManager won't mess up your manually configured devices... if you want NetworkManager to handle your interfaces, then just don't define them in your /etc/network/interfaces file
16:11<Alam_Squeeze>or enable the ifupdown plugin...
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16:12<patachu>how are normal people supposed to know all that when installing debian
16:12<patachu>rhaa
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16:13<blast007>patachu: I would assume by reading documentation ;)
16:13<patachu>yeah well i read other books
16:13<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Wired_Networks_are_Unmanaged
16:14<patachu>thx
16:14<blast007>(basically the same thing as that blog)
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16:26<theo_>guys ?
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16:27<patachu>hi theo
16:27<patachu>i'm a guy
16:27<theo_>french ?
16:27<patachu>ouais
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16:27<theo_>tu viens d'où ? :)
16:27<patachu>dans l'jura
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16:28<yart>qui
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16:28<theo_>Y a des programmeurs ?
16:28<patachu>euh non moi je suis juste graphiste
16:29<theo_>Ok d'accord !
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16:29<patachu>y doit bien y'en avoitr un ou deux dans la room mais j'ai jamais demandé
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16:30<awal>theo_: Ici on parle Anglais. Support en Français check sur ---> #debian-fr
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16:31<yart>quit
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16:31<patachu>awal, you just spoke french!
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16:33<awal>patachu: just for advise him that french support is in #debian-fr :)
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16:35<chris_goe>for ~2 days now I can't run apt-get update any more, I get 404/not found errors: https://paste.debian.net/159698/
16:35<chris_goe>anyone else seeing this?
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16:36<patachu>awal : i'm an anarchist - i don't follow any rule! i just used Kpackage's icon for Filezilla
16:37<patachu>rustle the authorities!
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16:38<awal>patachu: :)
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16:41<Alam_Squeeze>chris_goe: cdn.debian.net is dead
16:41<Alam_Squeeze>chris_goe: use http.debian.net
16:41<awal>chris_goe: comment that sources.list file lines and try with this deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
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16:43<awal>add contrib, non-free components to that lines if you need them and deb sources lines if needed
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16:44<awal>https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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16:49<@babilen>chris_goe: http://paste.debian.net/159695/ is a suitable one
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16:57<chris_goe>thanks. So, cdn.debian.net is dead...for 2 days now?
16:57<chris_goe>I've used http.debian.net years ago but it produced too many errors and got tired of it.
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17:08<chris_goe>Alam_Squeeze: any info since when/why cdn.debian.net is dead?
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17:11<chris_goe>W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/experimental/main/binary-amd64/Packages Hash Sum mismatch
17:11<Alam_Squeeze>IPv6, right?
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17:11<chris_goe>exactly errors like these made me switch to cdn.debian.net back then
17:11<Alam_Squeeze>so, cdn.debian.net is not CNAME to http, hmm
17:11<chris_goe>trying Acquire::ForceIPv4=true now..
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17:24<chris_goe>ok, switching back to http.debian.net seems to work, although Acquire::ForceIPv4=true is needed sometimes :-\
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17:32<olinuxx-2>hi there, I'm trying to get a read and write access to a macOS harddrive (HFS). reading on the web, i've been trying "mount -o rw -o force /dev/sdb2 /home/capturixeur/Bureau/flow/" but "mount" is stilling showing an "ro" access. I'm on a debian 8. Any idea?
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17:33<olinuxx-2>mmm reading at the topic, I'd be in a better place with #debian-next
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17:34<entropy>How do i change back to the normal GUI as it was in Debian 6.0
17:34<entropy>the old gnome
17:35<olinuxx-2>entropy, you want to use Mate
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17:35<olinuxx-2>entropy, http://mate-desktop.org/
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17:46<Plan-F>tell snowglobe to contact me
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17:53<revisionism>hi polyphagia
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17:55<polyphagia>hi revisionism
17:56<revisionism>what de do you use polyphagia
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17:58<polyphagia>please keep all off topic chatter outside of this support channel revisionism
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17:59<yart>Hello. Is there a simple way to install java 8 on debian 7.8? Any keywords? I tried webupd8team.
17:59<revisionism>this is support polyphagia
18:00<revisionism>maybe i should have went with ubuntu...
18:00<pangolinrollin>revisionism.. follow the instructions for using ubuntu ppa
18:00<rainfyre>if you're honestly considering ubuntu over debian, maybe you need ubuntu
18:00<pangolinrollin>i just used it on debian 7.8
18:01<pangolinrollin>it says works for debian too
18:01<pangolinrollin>well i installed the jdk
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19:40<sleser>hi guys how do i set so when i shift delete it should ask me to make sure
19:41<retrospectacus>what is "it"
19:41<sleser>it can be ether file or folder
19:41<sleser>it should like make sure if i want to
19:41<retrospectacus>what is "it"
19:42<sleser>shift delete is to delete without sending to trash can
19:42<retrospectacus>it = the file browser? what one?
19:42<sleser>file or folder
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19:42<sleser>both
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19:42<abrotman>sleser: what is the file manager?
19:42<sleser>dolphin
19:42<retrospectacus>ohhhhh it = dolphin
19:43<Brigo>at least :)
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19:43<abrotman>retrospectacus: amazing how details help ...
19:43<sleser>yeh in dolphin
19:43<sleser>dolphin isnt standart for every other debian ?
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19:43<retrospectacus>dolphin is only used by KDE afaik
19:44<sleser>ok
19:44<somiaj>debian provides many different file managers, and many people don't use file managers at all. I thik mc is the only file manager for non gui enviorments.
19:45<abrotman>does bash count? :)
19:45<somiaj>sleser: I can't recall the last time I used a file manager. (:
19:45<sleser>i cant use a linux without interface
19:45<somiaj>I guess I manage my files in bash too, but dont' think of it as one of those file manager things. (:
19:45<abrotman>heh
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19:46<themill>sleser: Settings → Configure shortcuts → Delete
19:47<somiaj>oh speaking of managers. Is tehre any non network-manager tool that can hand hold wireless connenctions. My wifi card needs to be massaged to assoicate with an AP at my university and sometimes looses association and I have ot manually massage it with iwconfig (iwconfig wlan ap any -- usually have to run that about 5-10 times to get my wifi card to assoicate with an ap)
19:47<sleser>there it wont give me an option to ask me to make sure if i want to delete a file
19:48<dondelelcaro>somiaj: I use wpasupplicant to do that
19:48<dondelelcaro>somiaj: it'll keep re-hitting the wireless to try to get an association
19:48<sleser>whats hapening is sometimes i wipe a file then its like i wiped the one by mistake because i didnt see it good or what ever
19:49<somiaj>dondelelcaro: do I have to configure wpasupplicant specifficaly to do that? I know I use it, but I configure everything via the interfaces file and the ifup script only seems to call it for the wpa info, but not keep an eye on it.
19:50<somiaj>sleser: in general it is best to have a good back so you can recover anything that gets wiped (as opposed to having a file manager ask are you sure). This is the only true protection against accidential deleting.
19:50<dondelelcaro>somiaj: I used to do that, but I've now switched to configuring everyting using wpa_supplicant.conf
19:50<dondelelcaro>somiaj: that seems to work much better than ifupdown
19:50<somiaj>dondelelcaro: I will have to look into it, I was hoping the ifupdown would 'magically' tell wpa_supplicant what to do> (:
19:51<sleser>restoring and baking takes time i hate spending time like a 56k modem
19:51<somiaj>dondelelcaro: I belive this means I just configure each of my networks in wpa_supplicant.conf and not use an alias for each place?
19:51<dondelelcaro>somiaj: right
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19:51<dondelelcaro>somiaj: the nice thing is wpa_supplicant is much faster about recognizing new places and bringing the interface up
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19:52<somiaj>sleser: it is the only sure way to ensure safty of data. There are lots of ways things can get deleted/wiped, and with out a backup you won't be able to recover. So usually that is the prefered solution (there are tools that help you automate backups)
19:52<retrospectacus>sleser: why not just press delete (not shift-delete) and make use of the Trash feature
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19:52<sleser>trash takes too long
19:53<retrospectacus>you don't have to wait
19:53<sleser>shift delete just does it with less then mini seconds
19:53<somiaj>dondelelcaro: yea I don't roam that much and switch from wifi to wired connenctions alot so I have no problem manually telling my machine i'm in a new place. I just don't like the handholding I have to do on my univeristy AP.
19:53<dondelelcaro>somiaj: yeah; I used to do that, but I've now just switched to wireless almost all the time
19:53<sleser>then if with trash can i , delete files one by one itll crash on me
19:53<sleser>and hug the cpu and everything
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19:54<somiaj>sleser: again as I said the best way in my mind is to have a backup. It will cover every issue you ahve talked about. (:
19:54<somiaj>just schedule your backups to happen when you are sleeping. then if you go oh I need file X, it is easy to recover.
19:55<retrospectacus>sleser: do you think that a "are you sure you want to delete" message will prevent you from accidentally deleting things :)
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19:55<themill>sleser: Settings → Configure Dolphin → General → Confirmations → Ask for confirmation when ...
19:56<somiaj>sleser: note you want a backup (not a copy). If you delete a file or make a change in a file and that gets copied to your backup, then it isn't servering you so well. I good backup system can recover your file system to any specified date.
19:56<somiaj>sleser: also listen to themill he is really the only one who seems to be ansering your question. (:
19:57<retrospectacus>heh. I just went to see what my file manager is and it asks "Please choose preferred File Manager now ..." I installed in August
19:57<retrospectacus>it's "Thunar"
19:58<somiaj>retrospectacus: I think I used rox-filer one about 10 years ago, so I could have thumbnails for my photograph directories, then I discovered image viewers already provide that functionality. (:
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20:12<sleser>themill found it thanks works
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20:29<somiaj>dondelelcaro: Do you call wpa_supplicant from your interfaces file with a preup script, or not use ifup/down to bring the wireless interface up and down?
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20:31<chris_goe>Alam_Squeeze: found it: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror, cdn.debian.net has been marked deprecated in Dec 2014. With that, I suspect that http.debian.net will be more stable now.
20:31<dondelelcaro>somiaj: I actually just use the wpa-driver wext stuff
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20:31<dondelelcaro>somiaj: iface wireless inet manual\nwpa-driver wext\nwpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
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20:33<dondelelcaro>somiaj: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz
20:33<dondelelcaro>somiaj: has the documentation for it
20:33<somiaj>dondelelcaro: thanks
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21:00<somiaj>hmm, would it be a bug that man wpa_supplicant.conf doesn't describe the options? Mostly is a list of examples.
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21:11<hiexpo>getting this error when trying to compile a .c fatal error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory
21:11<sney>!b-e
21:11<dpkg>rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. See also <qotd49>.
21:12<hiexpo>i have build-essential installed
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21:16<sney>it may be in linux-headers-$(uname -r)
21:16<sney>or it may have been removed from the kernel source- internet is unclear
21:17<hiexpo>im looking it may be the way the c file was write
21:18<hiexpo>^ wrote
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21:22<hiexpo>ok founf it the c file hadthe finger pointing to /linux/config.h sorry for the bother
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23:07<TwoPoint7182818>When I use fbterm on one of my computers, the fonts are somewhat distorted.
23:09<sney>what framebuffer?
23:09<TwoPoint7182818>I don't know.
23:10<TwoPoint7182818>How do I check?
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23:14<sney>what gpu, then
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23:20<TwoPoint7182818>It's integrated? Intel, 2nd series?
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23:20<sney>second series as in some relatively recent i3/i5?
23:21<TwoPoint7182818>It's an i7.
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23:21<sney>ok. try a backports kernel. otherwise, there may be some gpu feature that isn't properly accounted for yet.
23:21<sney>!bpo kernel
23:21<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
23:22<sney>fbterm is rendering your terminal directly on the gpu, and weird text is symptom #1 of incomplete gpu support.
23:23<TwoPoint7182818>It's there in stable, testing, and unstable.
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23:23<TwoPoint7182818>Ah.
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23:24<sney>file a bug then, and/or subscribe to kernel changelogs and wait for improved intel iX gpu support
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23:27<TwoPoint7182818>Filed a bug with fbterm a couple months ago.
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23:28<TwoPoint7182818>Mostly just looking for information.
23:29<sney>since framebuffer drivers live in the kernel, it is unlikely to be a fbterm-specific issue. and bugs can languish unsolved for years when assigned to the wrong software
23:30<TwoPoint7182818>Where should I file it then?
23:35<sney>either against the linux kernel in debian, or if you can reproduce the issue with the current "stable" kernel from kernel.org, there directly
23:41<TwoPoint7182818>thanks
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