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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-03-07

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02:12<marno>Hey guys, I was going to ask this question here but it got a bit long, so I posted it to the forum: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=120803 Does anyone have any ideas where I should be looking for a solution?
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03:42<live>hi
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04:07<valdyn>marno: both nics are on the same subnet, thats a fucked up setup
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04:08<valdyn>marno: it *can* be made to work, but that needs some extra setup
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04:09<valdyn>marno: watch the routing tables as you unplug one or both
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04:10<valdyn>marno: now I suspect that since both have the same default route, unplugging one breaks that *identical* default route.
04:11<valdyn>marno: anyway, just dont use both in the same subnet, or set that up properly
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08:18<mtj>hi folks.. any recomendadtions for a good 'emergency' .iso to troubleshoot a debian with an problematic /root FS ?
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08:18<mtj>...i'm current using a netinstall iso, is there a better one?
08:18<peter1138>netinst works well enough for me
08:18<mtj>oops, sorry - forgot to mention /root FS is an LVM
08:19<peter1138>some other dedicated recovery image might have more tools
08:19<fabian>mtj: I find grml for rescue scenarios quite good
08:19<fabian>mtj: you can also install grml-rescueboot and put the iso into /boot
08:20<mtj>hmm, grml looks nice
08:22<mtj>thanks everyone, ill take a look at grml
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11:18<denis_>hello i search channel french, who help me ?
11:18<centrx>!fr
11:18<abrotman>!fr
11:18<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
11:18<denis_>ok thank you dpkg
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11:34<jibe>Hi!
11:34<jibe>Last Jessie bug !? no ext4 : Could not insert 'ext4' : Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter
11:35<centrx>You'll have to mention some context
11:35<jibe>am I the first ? what's wrong ?
11:36<jibe>Install last Jessie (with or whithout LVM). I can't install whth GUI; In shell can't mount ext4/ext3
11:37<jibe>on virtualbox
11:37<centrx>Is this the RC or nightly build?
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11:38<jibe>First with netboot
11:38<jibe>Now the same with debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso
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11:39<jibe>6593bff100519c04782bd1ef8406e8b1 /home/jibe/isos/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso
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11:40<centrx>jibe, Okay that sounds like it might be the weekly build, try https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer
11:40<centrx>jibe, release candidate 1 (RC1
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11:42<r4ph431>hi, I'm trying to use jessie's fail2ban with wheezy, but: it err with: fail2ban : "Dépend: python:any (>= 2.6.6-7~)". Wheezy's python is 2.7.3-4+deb7u. what's wrong?
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11:44<sney>r4ph431: what's wrong is you don't mix testing and stable.
11:44<sney>,v fail2ban
11:44<judd>Package: fail2ban on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.4-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 0.8.6-3wheezy1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; wheezy-security: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; jessie: 0.8.13-1; sid: 0.9.1-1; experimental: 0.9.1+git44-gd65c4f8-1
11:44<sney>,checkbackport fail2ban
11:44<judd>Backporting package fail2ban in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy.
11:44<sney>you could backport it instead
11:45<r4ph431>afaik it's not in wheezy-backport
11:45<sney>it's not. but YOU can backport it yourself, using apt.
11:45<r4ph431>and still, i don't understand why 2.7.3-4+deb7u. >= 2.6.6-7~ isn't TRUE
11:46<r4ph431>sney: reference URL please?
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11:46<sney>!tell r4ph431 about ssb
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11:46<sney>dpkg bot just messaged you instructions. let us know if you get stuck.
11:46<dpkg>sney: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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11:48<r4ph431>sney: I'd rather not compile on my -prod system, and I personnally use jessie. Can I create a backport for wheezy using jessie ?
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11:48<sney>not directly, though you could use pbuilder
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11:50<r4ph431>hum... I wanted to use ipsets for fail2ban, but I'd rather not go a too complex path for that today
11:50<r4ph431>thanks anyway
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11:50<sney>mixing stable and testing on your production system would have been a nightmare anyway.
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11:50<r4ph431>but still, i don't understand why 2.7.3-4+deb7u. >= 2.6.6-7~ isn't TRUE, is the ~ operator so important?
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11:54<sney>I don't know, according to policy you should be right as well
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12:13<anonfriese>r4ph431: is that the whole version number? maybe there's an epoch in there...
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12:16<r4ph431>anonfriese: ?
12:16<anonfriese>also dpkg --compare-versions 2.7.3-4+deb7u ge 2.6.6-7~; echo $? gives me a true, just like expected.
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12:23<jelly>r4ph431: wheezy's is not as multiarch-ready as jessie, so ":any" probably fails, not the version
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12:23<jelly>r4ph431: you could repack the package and fix that Depends and it might work
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12:25<jelly>sney: for this specific case, fail2ban is fairly self-contained and python2 code, so the newer package might even work
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12:41<anonymous>hi
12:42<anonymous>wq
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12:44<corky>you can't escape that easily
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13:10<amigasger>it seems there is a problem with the kernel in netinst-installer: debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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13:11<amigasger>if you setup an encrypted volume under installation - then you get "Volume Group not found" after restart..
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14:24<Aslan_Richman>So I have an encrypted linux install -- it installs and only has 255mb of space available, and the 320gb HD [primary] won't mount. Is there a guide for this?
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14:41<sigma>hey
14:41<sigma>I am wondering how can i install wow on debian?
14:42<sigma>can anyone help?
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14:44<Aslan_Richman>sigma, does WINE work?
14:45<sigma>what is wine
14:45<sigma>i am new to debian
14:45<sigma>to linux in general
14:45<sigma>thats why i am here
14:46<sigma>i learn fast so can anyone teach me the arts of debian/linux?
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14:48<PiresFelix>start by searching wine
14:49<PiresFelix>and if wow has version to linux
14:50<sigma>Wow doesnt have a linux version
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14:51<sigma>and i searched wine it looks like a program that creates a windows virtual machine in your folders to make u be able to run exe files
14:51<sigma>did i understand it well?
14:53<sigma>Oh and thank you all for being nice to a newbie :)
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14:55<canaima>google
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14:56<canaima>youtube
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15:07<sigma>hey guys i am getting an error when installing wine
15:07<peter1138>That's nice.
15:07<Sicelo>i doubt i can help you .. but you need to provide 'real information'
15:08<Sicelo>haha peter1138 :D
15:08<sigma>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
15:08<sigma>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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15:10<sigma>wait nvm what i sent u before
15:10<sigma>i am trying a guide on google
15:10<sigma>and i got an error after adding the repository
15:10<sigma>meaning when i did apt-get update
15:10<sigma>it said this
15:10<peter1138>You probably follow a guide on debian.
15:11<peter1138>You don't need to add any repos to install wine.
15:11<sigma>Err http://ppa.launchpad.net wheezy/main Sources
15:11<sigma> 404 Not Found
15:11<sigma>Err http://ppa.launchpad.net wheezy/main amd64 Packages
15:11<sigma> 404 Not Found
15:11<sigma>Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net wheezy/main Translation-en_US
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15:15<sigma_>peter what do u mean i dont need any repositories
15:15<sigma_>so how do i do it without the repositories?
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15:15<sigma_>and how do i remove the repository that i added ?
15:15<Sicelo>you need "debian" repositories, not ubuntu repositories
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15:16<peter1138>If you add a repo, yes, it should be a debian repo.
15:16<sigma_>oh
15:16<peter1138>To install wine... "apt-get install wine"
15:16<sigma_>k so how do i fix what i just did
15:16<sigma_>cause i added a ubuntu repos?
15:16<peter1138>Remove whatever you added from sources.list
15:16<peter1138>/etc/apt/sources.list
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15:19<sigma_>how do i access that
15:19<sigma_>i tried by terminal i wrote it
15:19<sigma_>and then it said permission denied
15:19<sigma_>even thought i am running a root terminal
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15:20<sigma_>nvm i did it
15:20<sigma_>i removed them
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15:21<sigma_>btw i am running a fresh debian Os its new i installed nothing but xchat using synaptic
15:22<sigma_>so how do i install wine know?
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15:22<sigma_>u said i run apt-get install wine in terminal?
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15:23<ompaul>!ppa
15:23<dpkg>[ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>.
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15:31<sigma_>k so i ran the apt-get install wine
15:31<sigma_>and it finished succesfully
15:31<sigma_>but when i search for wine on my system its not here
15:33<Chanku>alright so I have a bit of an issue with my audio. It was working yesterday, but today nothing is being output.
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15:35<sigma_>can anyone of you nice people out there do a remote desktop with me and help me get wine and set it up?
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15:44<ompaul>sigma_: that's about the worst thing you can do on irc
15:45<sigma_>sorry but i am desperate
15:45<ompaul>enjoy having an open proxy to everything anywhere
15:45<sigma_>i want to learn
15:45<Chanku>anyone wanna try and help me out with my audio issue?
15:45<ompaul>you will learn how it's like to have a hacked box
15:45<sigma_>huh
15:45<sigma_>whats that
15:45<sigma_>OH SHT
15:45<sigma_>ma bad
15:46<ompaul>Chanku: what changed?
15:46<Chanku>Well lets see
15:46<ompaul>!wine
15:46<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
15:46<Chanku>yesterday I uninstalled a Desktop Enviroment I wanted to try out...
15:47<ompaul>Chanku: what do you use as a desktop toda?
15:47<Chanku>I use LXDE
15:47<Chanku>I removed KDE(I wanted to take a look at it, and since I didn't really use it I removed it)
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15:48<ompaul>Chanku: did you do something like dpkg-reconfigure lxde ?
15:48<ompaul>yes
15:48<Chanku>I think I did
15:48<Chanku>Well actually no
15:48<Chanku>I don't recall doing that...
15:49<ompaul>Chanku: you could try it should reset your lxde to default
15:49<Chanku>Okay I ran the command
15:50<Chanku>Hrm
15:50<ompaul>from within LXDE?
15:50<Chanku>yes
15:50<ompaul>what's your hrm about?
15:50<ompaul>I would have done it outside LXDE and
15:51<Chanku>I mean for the past little bit pulseaudio(well pavucontrol) has been reporting audio output
15:51<Chanku>while running something that would give audio output
15:51<ompaul>you obviously removed some part of audio
15:51<Chanku>hrm...
15:51<Chanku>anyway I can find out what I removed?
15:51<ompaul>yeah cd /var/logs/apt
15:51<ompaul>and read the history of yesterday
15:52<Chanku>Alright
15:53<Chanku>So is there anything I should look for?
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15:53<Yoann_POLICHOUZ>Hello.
15:53<Chanku>Also what if I used aptitude?
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15:55<Yoann_POLICHOUZ>I'm trying to use jigdo-tiny to use my 7.0.0 dvd image to build the fresh new 7.8.0 ones. It fail both at check the iso on windows and linux. Works fine with 6.0.0 iso image. Weird.
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15:58<Yoann_POLICHOUZ>Anyone have this issue ? My favorite search engine don't show me similar issue.
15:58<ompaul>Chanku: read the log files
15:58<ompaul>they are all recorded there
15:58<Chanku>I am
15:58<Chanku>But I'm not sure what I'm looking for
15:58<ompaul>Chanku: I'd be looking for a removal
15:58<ompaul>of audio stuff
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16:20<sigma_>hello i am getting an error
16:20<sigma_>http://pastebin.com/TmbtexwT
16:20<sigma_>can anyone help?
16:20<sigma_>i want to install wine
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16:26<sigma_>http://pastebin.com/5u4vfiLr
16:26<sigma_>can anyone help me
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16:33<Chanku>It seems my issue was with the files from pulse audio in .pulse
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16:33<Chanku>I deleted it and then logged out and back in
16:33<Chanku>and it works now
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16:35<sigma_>http://pastebin.com/5u4vfiLr
16:35<sigma_>I am having a problem can anyone help
16:35<sigma_>?
16:36<Brigo>sigma_, i think that is not your fault, but servers as you can read here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624122
16:37<hashar>hello there. Is that correct a grave bug will automatically remove a package from testing ? :D
16:37<sigma_>so how can i change or use another server?
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16:41<Brigo>sigma_, not sure, just try it :)
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16:55<valdyn>hashar: of course not
16:55<hashar>valdyn: does it still have to be manually confirmed so ?
16:56<hashar>valdyn: my use case is https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python-statsd.html [2014-02-20] python-statsd REMOVED from testing (Britney)
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16:58<valdyn>hashar: so? some packages get removed of course, but the reason is *not* just a grave bug
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16:59<hashar>valdyn: is there some audit trail of packaging removal requests ?
16:59<hashar>just wondering
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17:01<valdyn>hashar: this package has exactly one bug report, and thats one that is just wishlist
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17:05<hashar>valdyn: there was some crazy mess up in the description page that was for another upstream module :D ( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736256 )
17:05<hashar>valdyn: I guess that is serious enough to et the package out of testing
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17:06<valdyn>hashar: this stuff happened a long time ago....
17:06<hashar>valdyn: yup. I am terrible at tracking my BTS notifications :)
17:07<valdyn>hashar: you're right, it got remove for a grave bug and it could never reenter because that grave bug was never fixed, then came the freeze
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17:07<hashar>valdyn: so it is on hold until the gate of "testing" is opened again right?
17:08<valdyn>hashar: in principle yes, but i dont know debian process well, so I have no idea if and for what reasons exceptions are made
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17:08<hashar>valdyn: I can look it up in some doc I guess. Thanks for your replies :)
17:09<hashar>gotta rush out, kids duty
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17:17<EmleyMoor>Does the standard sshd in wheezy support sftp (e.g. psftp)?
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17:29<brian98>EmleyMoor yep
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17:42<Rallias>Is there a way to rotate my mouse 90 degrees left?
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17:59<dvs>Rallias: System settings in KDE
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18:00<Rallias>dvs, I'm in cinnamon.
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18:03<Rallias>And I'm not finding anything in it's analogue.
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19:31<dizzylizzy>Hi, I'm trying to install debian testing onto a logical partition using the newest netinstall CD. The only available filesytem options for formatting are XFS, FAT16, and FAT32. Ext* is nowhere in sight! Any ideas?
19:32<paxmark9>dizzylizzy I have the exact same problem. thanks for asking
19:33<dizzylizzy>:D
19:33<dizzylizzy>party time
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19:33<paxmark9>btw we probably should be asking this on debian-next
19:33<dizzylizzy>Probably, but they just told me not to ask in both places
19:34<devil>but #-next is the right place
19:34<dizzylizzy>I did find somebody with the same problem in the less-apt channel though
19:34<dizzylizzy>All right
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20:19<rishub>Anyone know when xfce 4.12 will hit sid?
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20:28<rudi_s>After the jessie release I guess.
20:29<notoyahora>rudi_s, jessie is... testing?
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20:30<rudi_s>notoyahora: Yes, at the moment. It's the next stable and currently in freeze.
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20:31<notoyahora>rudi_s, so until jessie is not moved from teting to stable we can expect xfce not be put into testing, right?
20:32<rudi_s>notoyahora: Yes. And in addition, sid is also less active during the freeze.
20:32<rudi_s>It might be in experimental though.
20:32<rudi_s>*but isn't at the moment.
20:32<notoyahora>rudi_s, I don't lik eliving in the edge man ;D
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20:33<rudi_s>;-)
20:33<notoyahora>rudi_s, do you know when it is the release of jessie?
20:34<rudi_s>No. It's not sure. Maybe a few weeks, maybe a few months.
20:34<notoyahora>rudi_s, my... I should learn how to compile and instal xfce ;D
20:35<rudi_s>You could help the maintainers package it for Debian ;-)
20:36<notoyahora>rudi_s, I on't quite like the way things are going on debian with sys***d so... I am using my time in other endeavours
20:36<rishub>jessie is frozen?
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20:58<rudi_s>rishub: Since a few months.
20:58<rudi_s>notoyahora: Well, there's no escape from systemd (on Linux). Time to get used to it. And IMHO the init part of systemd is quite good.
20:59<notoyahora>rudi_s, time to start coding ;D
20:59<rudi_s>There are also a few other systemd-like init systems out there (like runit), you could try them.
21:00<notoyahora>don't like them
21:00<notoyahora>I like sysvinit
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21:00<rudi_s>Well, sysvinit sucks. That much is (almost) uncontested.
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21:01<rudi_s>(Weird, complex and duplicate init files, no sane way to monitor a daemon (pid files are a huge hack), etc.)
21:01<notoyahora>nop, it is contested, it is just aposition from the deefndants of other init systems, nothing else
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21:02<rudi_s>You're first person I met who said that sysvinit is a good init system ;-)
21:02<notoyahora>but I don't to start this topic, becuase I will get banned becuase systemd denfendants tey don't accepto that they are not wanted
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21:03<notoyahora>rudi_s, you should read slahsdot, lots of people says it is a better system, and there lots of blogs, so maybe you're suffering from cognitive dissoannce
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21:04<rudi_s>Could be. Or I must met different kind of people. - Even though I disliked systemd quite strongly in the past (not so much now, I really enjoy its init-capabilities, not so much their development strategy) I never really thought that init was a good init system.
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21:04<rudi_s>But that's just IMHO.
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21:05<notoyahora>systemd is worst, you can read a lot of blogs, as I said there is a lot of pages, if you have not reached is becuase you're consciently avoiding them, I'm sorry to say that
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21:07<themill>people ranting in blogs does not actually mean solid technical arguments are being made. People dislike change that doesn't mean the change is bad. #debian and #debian-next are also not the places to (a) complain about systemd or (b) offer ad hominem in the absence of actual arguments.
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21:08<notoyahora>themill, I said I didn't want to start that topic, but if people say someting I think I can reply them, right?
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21:21<ryouma>perhaps offtopic is ok for this
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22:39<tertu>can I get accelerated graphics support for a Haswell laptop by upgrading to a backports kernel?
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22:44<sigma_>Hey how can i get the latest version of wine in debian
22:45<sigma_>because the one in debian is version 1.4 x which was made in 2012
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22:49<tertu>sigma_, winehq.org provides Debian packages of wine 1.7
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22:53<parrot-sec_>hi
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22:57<juan000000>j
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22:59<sigma_>tertu can u send me the link plz?
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23:08<sigma_>tertu can u send me the link plz
23:08<tertu>it's on winehq.org
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23:08<sigma_>because when i searched in winehq there are only packages for debian sid
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23:08<sigma_>and not wheezy
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23:12<sigma_>tertu can u help me plz
23:12<tertu>i already told you where you can download the packages sigma_
23:13<tertu>i am not willing to tell you exactly where it is on the page
23:13<tertu>because there is a very clear download link right there
23:13<sigma_>.......
23:13<tertu>oh yeah
23:13<tertu>okay i guess if there are only sid packages and you can't install those
23:13<tertu>that's all
23:13<tertu>sorry
23:13<sigma_>k
23:13<sigma_>thx
23:14<tertu>somebody may be making wheezy packages somewhere
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23:17<themill>if you want newer packages, upgrading to jessie is a reasonable thing to do
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23:51<FiiZ>hey
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