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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-03-11

---Logopened Wed Mar 11 00:00:40 2015
---Daychanged Wed Mar 11 2015
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00:01<asklepian>ok, how do I just join a wifi netowrk
00:01<asklepian>?
00:01<asklepian>from the cli
00:02<asklepian>with no wpa or anything
00:02<asklepian>just a simple "join this network" ?
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00:05<asklepian>?
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01:04<feefr>hi
01:05<feefr>anybody here uses Skype on Debian? does skype on debian has ADS and NSA?
01:06<SamB_laptop>you want to know if the NSA spies on you through skype on Debian?
01:06<feefr>yes
01:06<feefr>but also if have ads
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01:06<feefr>skype on linux is much older version than on win
01:06<SamB_laptop>well, ads are easier to tell about
01:06<SamB_laptop>not that I've tried it myself
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02:43<TeslasMHD>^_^
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06:27<Specialist>hi there! is there a way to tell `apt-get install` to install the highest version of a package with a given prefix? let's say, the complete version is 4.0.59-1~wheezy1, can I instruct apt to install anything that starts with 4.0.59?
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06:28<Specialist>(anything = the higest version that starts with 4.0.59)
06:31<petn-randall>Specialist: You can install a version with 'apt-get install foo=4.0.59-1~wheezy1', AFAIK there's no smart-matching possibility.
06:33<Specialist>petn-randall: Thx, that's what I tried - I'll do some further debugging to figure out why it cannot locate that version even though I provide an exact match.
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06:36<Specialist>Is there a way to list all versions for a given package (not just the most recent one)?
06:37<Wulf>Specialist: apt-cache show ... | grep ^Version?
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06:40<Specialist>Wulf: Thx!
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06:46<petn-randall>Specialist: 'apt-cache policy foobaz'. Show us the actual error message you got when trying to install the package.
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06:53<Specialist>I am trying to install passenger version 1:4.0.58-1~wheezy1 from the repo at https://oss-binaries.phusionpassenger.com/apt/passenger/latest/ using `apt-get -q -y -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confold --force-yes install passenger=1:4.0.58-1~wheezy1`. Details (incl. error message): http://pastebin.com/Gaq1LEPe
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06:53<Specialist>I see the package at https://oss-binaries.phusionpassenger.com/apt/passenger/latest/pool/main/p/passenger/, but can't rule out that it's not in the index...
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06:58<inkbottle>Hi, "libjpeg-progs" is a virtual package in Jessie and an actual package in sid?
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06:59<inkbottle>oh, I'm answered on #next
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07:01<jm_>Specialist: as you can see apt-cache policy does not list that version, you'd probably want "4" instead of "latest" in sources.list
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07:03<Specialist>jm_: So, the older version is not in the index? Is it possible to have more than one candidate per repo for a package or is what I'm seeing basically 'works as designed'? ;-)
07:03<jm_>Specialist: correct; I don't think it is with the same package name
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07:03<Specialist>jm_: Ok, then I'll have to use the v4 repo. Thx!
07:04<jm_>no problem
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09:03<smokejohn>hello everyone. Anyone have any experience with broadband modems?
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09:03<smokejohn>I mean mobile broadband modems
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09:26<petn-randall>smokejohn: Just ask your question, unless you're doing a survey. :)
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09:33<smokejohn>petn-randall: no i am not doing a survey. I have a vodafone k3770 dongle. Well my friend has it and i try to fix it for him. I try to force 3g connection through network manager settings, but it keeps connecting with EDGE (2G) resulting in very slow speeds
09:33<smokejohn>As I get it those settings are ignored or something. I am trying to investigate this
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09:36<petn-randall>smokejohn: How is the dongle connected to the Debian machine? USB?
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09:37<smokejohn>petn-randall: yes usb
09:37<petn-randall>smokejohn: Normally the modem itself manages which network (2G/3G/LTE) to connect to. At least it's the case with mine.
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09:38<smokejohn>petn-randall: i want to force the use of 3g and only that. i dont care if it disconnects when there is not suffecient signal
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09:38<smokejohn>petn-randall: though it insists on ingoring my settings and still connects through 2g
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09:48<petn-randall>smokejohn: How do you force 3g then?
09:49<petn-randall>(would like to reproduce it on my modem)
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09:55<smokejohn>i go to network connections option in network manager
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09:55<smokejohn>select the mobile broadband network. In my case Vodafone connect
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09:56<smokejohn>and you'll find an option about the type of connection
09:56<smokejohn>well whatever I choose the modem still uses 2g. (sometimes it uses 3g, but that's a rear case)
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10:02<smokejohn>keep in mind that the correct behaviour when I select the only 3g option is to connect only in 3g. When there is not enough signal strength the connection should drop. In my case the provider has a 3g cover in my area
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10:15<petn-randall>smokejohn: Can you check in /var/log/syslog an daemon.log if network-manager logs something about that?
10:16<petn-randall>smokejohn: How do you verify that the modem is using 2g?
10:21<smokejohn>petn-randall: i dont have the system in my hands currently. My friend gave it to my last night to investigate. I gave it back to him this morning.
10:21<smokejohn>petn-randall: you can verify the connection by the light colour
10:21<smokejohn>if it's green it uses EDGE (2g)
10:22<smokejohn>if it's blue it uses 3g
10:22<smokejohn>light blue for HSPA and dark blue for UMTS
10:22<domovoy>unsetting CONFIG_SWAP makes the kernel bigger? did i miss something here?
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10:25<petn-randall>domovoy: How are you measuring size?
10:26<domovoy>petn-randall: 'du -B 1 uImage' before, 'du -B 1 uImage' after
10:27<petn-randall>domovoy: What's the difference?
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10:29<domovoy>petn-randall: 32768 bytes more after
10:29<domovoy>unseting CONFIG_SWAP also unset CONFIG_CGROUP_MEM_RES_CTLR_SWAP
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10:31<petn-randall>domovoy: uImage format doesn't guarantee to be uncompressed, so you might have skewed measurements. Generate 'Image' if you want to compare sizes.
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10:31<domovoy>petn-randall: i see, thanks
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10:33<domovoy>petn-randall: even if mkimage tells me 'Image Type: ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)'?
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10:38<petn-randall>domovoy: Then it's not compressed, but I'd verify that just to make sure that the uboot prefix doesn't skew the result.
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10:49<mcfrisk__>Hi! What's the correct way to automatically setup a debian/ubuntu chroot using a script? debootstrap can only use a single repository, and I need to add security updates repo too and apply the changes. If I just enter the chroot all init scripts will fail...
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10:55<Wulf>mcfrisk__: kickstart / seed
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10:56<Wulf>mcfrisk__: oh, you need chroot. Hmm.. no idea then
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10:58<mcfrisk__>Wulf: yes, multistrap could be it but I'd like to stick with debootstrap and chroot for now...
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11:11<jhutchins>Brigo: lxc has largely been replaced by docker.
11:11<Brigo>jhutchins, of course not, docker uses lxc, but is not the same thing.
11:12<Brigo>jhutchins, for example, i like lxc and dislike docker. :)
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11:22<mcfrisk__>Brigo: I'm creating an LXC container with debootstrap
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11:23<Brigo>mcfrisk__, with debian inside?
11:23<mcfrisk__>so I'd like to apply security updates to the container/chroot when creating it, which requires using multiple apt repositories.
11:23<mcfrisk__>Brigo: actually with Ubuntu precise inside atm
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11:24<Brigo>mcfrisk__, in debian you can edit the sources.list as usual, i suppous you can do the same in ubuntu.ç
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11:24<mcfrisk__>yes, but installing some updates requires a running upstart etc
11:26<Brigo>mcfrisk__, i don't know about ubuntu, try asking in #ubuntu on freenode.
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11:26<Brigo>mcfrisk__, but anyway you will need an init system, upstar, initsysv, systemd, etc.
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11:28<mcfrisk__>it's a debian tooling thing this one, sigh. One option is to boot the debootstrap chroot in LXC and apply updates there...
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11:28<mcfrisk__>or switch completely to multistrap
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11:31<Brigo>do you know you can install debian in a lxc container easely with something like lxc-create -n myvm -t debian -- -r jessie
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11:31<Brigo>?
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11:34<mcfrisk__>Brigo: no, didn't know that. But I want to apply security updates etc to the container, it doesn't look like that does it either...
11:34<Brigo>mcfrisk__, are you installing wheezy, right?
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11:36<mcfrisk__>Brigo: I'm creating an Ubuntu precise container/chroot on Debian unstable and also on Ubuntu precise
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11:36<mcfrisk__>and it seems the lxc-create is just a wrapper to debootstrap
11:37<Brigo>mcfrisk__, there isn't security upgrades in unestable, only in stable and old-stable
11:37<Brigo>mcfrisk__, yes, it fixs some thins and make some configurations
11:37<mcfrisk__>Brigo: I know, but I want to use multiple package repositories to create a chroot/container which does have security updates from a different package repo
11:39<mcfrisk__>and lxc-create script for debian is lacking error handling too, sigh :(
11:39<Brigo>mcfrisk__, well, i don't know what mustistrap is, but i can see the problem with apply the security update, you only have to configure the sources.
11:41<mcfrisk__>yes, configure apt source, download updates and install. Except install requires unpack and configure which expects that the system has booted and things like upstart are running...
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11:43<Brigo>mcfrisk__, i see now, you want to apply updates without boot the container.
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11:45<mcfrisk__>Brigo: yes, exactly
11:46<Brigo>mcfrisk__, er, and why? it will not hurt to run it just to update once. :)
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11:52<trico>how do i tell when a package was updated? for example, how do i tell when this was fixed: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-1720
11:53<petn-randall>trico: The middle table lists the version where it was fixed ...
11:53<petn-randall>"Vulnerable and fixed packages"
11:53<trico>yes, what DATE
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11:54<petn-randall>trico: Check in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.debian.gz when that version was uploaded.
11:55<petn-randall>trico: Or on https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/postfix.html, assuming the backlog reaches far enough, it will tell you when it hit what repository.
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11:58<trico>petn-randall: thanks
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12:01<petn-randall>trico: You're welcome!
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12:07<Finetundra>where would I go to ask questions about apache?
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12:07<gbit>!apache
12:07<dpkg>Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <htaccess>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.freenode.net.
12:07<Finetundra>!apache2
12:07<dpkg>apache2 is actually version 2.2 in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"; this is a virtual package provided by a worker, ask me <apache2 mpm>. Ask me about <install apache>, <apache config>, <apache manual> and <apache backport>; see also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <apache2 ecc>. Additional help in #httpd on irc.freenode.net
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12:12<Finetundra>gbit, is there anywhere else?
12:13<gbit>Finetundra: google?
12:13<Finetundra>hmm
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12:24<gbit>Finetundra: did you see the #httpd channel on freenode?
12:25<Finetundra>gbit, no I haven't. Would they be able to help?
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12:27<gbit>Finetundra: sure. You need to be registered user to join the channel, and follow they topic rules.
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12:29<Finetundra>gbit, how would I go about registering?
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12:32<gbit>Finetundra: at freenode, by ' /msg NickServ REGISTER password email@example.com'
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13:02<disposable>on squeeze-lts, i'm trying to configure apt to go through a squid proxy (digest authentication). what is the correct syntax? my current proxy line only works with basic authentication: Acquire::http::proxy "http://username:password@192.168.114.53:3128";
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13:07<petn-randall>disposable: I don't have a squeeze machine at hand; did you check the man page if it's supported at all?
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13:10<Finetundra>where would I go to ask questions about xrdp?
13:10<petn-randall>Finetundra: If it's on a Debian machine, ask in here.
13:11<Finetundra>alright, How would I have xrdp send audio to a windows RDP client? such as the built in one.
13:12<disposable>petn-randall: man apt.conf doesn't even mention what auth method apt uses for proxy. i guess it's just 'basic' and i'll have to play with squid instead. i hate that ugly beast.
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13:14<petn-randall>Finetundra: I'm not sure xrdp supports that. RDP 7.0 or higher is needed for that to work.
13:15<Finetundra>petn-randall, Is there an outside plug-in that could be used then?
13:15<Finetundra>I've gotta run
13:16<disposable>Finetundra: xrdp has nothing to do with sound. use pulseaudio server + client for remote sound.
13:16<disposable>Finetundra: http://scarygliders.net/2012/04/06/get-audio-with-your-xrdpx11rdp-connections-lan-or-remote/
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13:21<petn-randall>disposable: digest authentication has it's own set of security problems. If you need strong(er) security, do https and use basic auth.
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13:51<jhutchins>disposable: Cool link, thanks.
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13:59<lanoxx>I read on the systemd blog that systemd does not require initscripts anymore, but I still cannot uninstall this package. Is initscripts still required in debian jessie? If so, why?
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14:19<Maulkin>lanoxx: Some packages haven't converted to using systemd units, so the support is still needed.
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14:20<Maulkin>lanoxx: There's a difference between initscripts and the init system.
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14:31<KNUBBIG>Hey, after a hardware defect /dev/sda was switched in my server. I'r running a RAID-1 setup which of course doesn't boot anymore after the switch. I am in a backup system and need help installing grub again. Anyone that can help me with that? I reassembled the RAID without chrooting and now don't know how to properly chroot so that I can grub-install /dev/sda. Thanks.
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14:32<pangolinrollin>hey suggestions as far as CCTV software/distro for linux? was looking at http://www.zoneminder.com/ ... it's gonna be 1 stand alone server with only purpose being cctv
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14:34<retrospectacus>!fixmbr
14:34<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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14:34<KNUBBIG>Thanks
14:36<KNUBBIG>Should I wait with rebooting until the RAID has resynced or can I do it just now?
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14:38<retrospectacus>hm. I think it should be ok
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14:41<KNUBBIG>Thanks, I'll try. Is it a problem that grub-install /dev/sda is only giving me "Generating grub.cfg... No volume groups found done"?
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14:43<retrospectacus>I think it just a warning from some LVM thing
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14:43<KNUBBIG>okay, I'll reboot. Thanks a bunch
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14:46<KNUBBIG>Btw https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ advises on using mibbit which is banned which confused me a bit :p
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14:47<pangolinrollin>mbr < grub
14:50<KNUBBIG>nope, not booting. Instant "connection refused". Gosh how I hate this shit
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14:55<KNUBBIG>Oh well it boots now, I got another question regarding /proc/mdstat which is now looking like this: http://pastebin.com/aJ3FxfLc /dev/sdb was the working hdd, any way to fix md1 and md2 (that is, getting rid of 126 and 127 and 'renaming' them to 1 and 2)? Thanks.
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15:20<Wolf480pl>Hello. I have debian 7.8 on a VPS. From the beginning there's been /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering present. What is the recommended/safest way to switch to dependency-based boot ordering and/or determine why legacy bootordering is in use?
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15:47<HappyClam>Hi everybody! Does we know an aproximate date for the release of Jessie as stable? I cant find information about that...
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15:48<rainfyre>it's always the same
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15:48<rainfyre>when it's ready and no sooner. heh
15:48<HappyClam>Ha ha, ok. That explain I find nothings. Thankx
15:49<rainfyre>no worries.
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15:53<HappyClam>I have another question. I would like to play a shockwave video (.swf). I can play it with vlc as a normal vid. The problem is there's normally auto pause in it to read texts and it's impossible to manually stop on them because the text is only on one frame.
15:53<HappyClam>I tried to open it with iceweasel but the browser just ask me where Iwant to save just like if I download it. Is there a standalone player which handle interaction with .swf?
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15:56<Wolf480pl>I have debian 7.8 on a VPS. From the beginning there's been /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering present. What is the recommended/safest way to switch to dependency-based boot ordering and/or determine why legacy bootordering is in use?
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16:04<valdyn>Wolf480pl: its on because your provider set it up that way. Ask them.
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16:09<valdyn>KNUBBIG: you can use /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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16:37<gimp335>Anyone had any luck installing timeshift in wheezy?
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16:58<Sampei>Ciao a tutti quelli di #debian !
16:58<Sampei>!lista
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17:06<ompaul>!debian
17:06<dpkg>from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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17:28<miles>ey b0ss
17:29<miles>im running sparky, obviously the best distro
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18:25<asklepian>ok, I have the files that the netinstall is looking for mounted and present...why doesn't the netinstaller recognize the files
18:25<asklepian>?
18:25<asklepian>where is it looking?
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19:33<ary>Hi
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19:36<retrospectacus>hi ary
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19:39<ary>Hi
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19:42<ary>I am runing Debian 7 on my PC. I need some help to install wine 1.6.2. Found some thing that works, but having problem to install the i386 building tools. Here is the link: "http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/topico/Debian/Wine-162-debian-wheezy" Having trouble with step one. Can some one help-me?
19:43<centrx>http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/topico/Debian/Wine-162-debian-wheezy
19:43<centrx>ary, What is the trouble
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19:45<ary>centrx, when i try to install the packages i get a dependence problems.
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19:46<centrx>ary, paste the error message at paste.debian.net
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19:47<ary>here it is: http://paste.debian.net/160841/
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19:48<ary>centrx, to install it need to remove ia32-libs etc...
19:48<centrx>ary, Since it is saying to remove ia32-libs, I am guessing you should try using multiarch instead of ia32libs
19:48<centrx>ary, to install i386 packages on your presumably amd64 machine
19:49<centrx>ary, https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
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19:49<centrx>ary, and yes you can uninstall ia32libs
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19:50<centrx>ary, ia32libs is the old way, multiarch was the new way in Debian 7
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19:51<ary>centrx, nice. And how I can transform my system in multiarch? If it is possible!!
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19:52<centrx>ary, https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
19:52<centrx>ary, the dpkg commands are under "Usage"
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19:53<tranquility>I've got a problem. I'm on Debian 8 and I cannot for the life of me get rmagick working for a rails environment.
19:54<tranquility>I keep recieving errors like magic-config .... no during the build and I believe it to be a regressing bug that was fixed back in 2014
19:55<centrx>tranquility, You are using gem install or installing the Debian package for rmagick?
19:56<tranquility>I've been trying to run bundle for Danbooru so most likely gem
19:56<centrx>tranquility, Usually build errors are because you don't have library installed necessary to build the gem
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19:57<tranquility>I just ran convert and I see Version: ImageMagick 6.8.9-9 so it is installed
19:57<retrospectacus>what kind of errors are you getting
19:58<tranquility>gem build errors regarding imagemagick the current one is
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19:58<tranquility>Can't install RMagick 0.0.0. Can't find MagickWand.h.
19:58<retrospectacus>judd: file MagickWand.h
19:58<judd>Search for MagickWand.h in wheezy/i386: libmagickwand-dev: usr/include/ImageMagick/wand/MagickWand.h
19:58<retrospectacus>install that guy
19:59<ary>centrx, I see. But what to doo with softwares that uses ia32libs??
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19:59<tranquility>I've tried, libmagickwand-dev is already the newest version.
20:01<centrx>ary, The transitional package ia32-libs should still work really
20:01<tranquility>and locate MagickWand.h turns up no results and apparently /usr/include/ImageMagick doesn't exist
20:02<centrx>tranquility, how about package libmagickcore-dev
20:02<retrospectacus>what says "dpkg -L libmagickwand-dev"? Should be those files
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20:02<ary>centrx, Ok. I install all. Having a configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries.
20:02<tranquility>retrospectacus | Doesn't show those lines for me
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20:03<feefr>hi
20:03<feefr>how to use old skype?
20:03<retrospectacus>tranquility: it doesn't print anything?
20:03<feefr>is new skype (linux) backdoored and destroyed?
20:03<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell feefr about skype
20:03<feefr>how to check what debian version i have
20:04<feefr>dpkg tell me
20:04<tranquility>no it prints /usr, /usr/share, /isr/share/docs
20:04<tranquility>and so on
20:04<centrx>ary, try apt-get install build-essential:i386
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20:04<feefr>retrospectacus he didnt tell me what i wanted to know
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20:05<feefr>he told debian doesnt distribute skype. i dont need you to distribute
20:05<retrospectacus> tranquility afaict it should install that /usr/include stuff. Try install --reinstall it
20:05<centrx>feefr, pretty sure skype has been backdoored for years, just wasn't public knowledge
20:05<retrospectacus>feefr: what's your question
20:05<feefr>centrx yes but now it seems worse, fully centralised
20:05<tranquility>retrospectacus: which package specifically?
20:05<feefr>retrospectacus how to run old versions
20:05<feefr>retrospectacus how to check what debian version i have
20:05<retrospectacus>tranquility: libmagickwand-dev
20:05<feefr>can i import windows profile into debian?
20:06<feefr>(skype profile)
20:06<tranquility>retrospectacus: Still save thing even after --reinstall
20:06<retrospectacus>feefr: skype only talks to skype servers. An old version probably wouldn't work.
20:06<feefr>ok but have to use skype, other people use it
20:06<retrospectacus>feefr: "apt-cache policy" will give you a good idea what debian version you are using
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20:07<centrx>feefr, Use it in a VM?>
20:07<ary>centrx, here is the results: http://paste.debian.net/160844/
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20:08<feefr>retrospectacus 7.1 stable
20:08<feefr>centrx yes thats what im thinking of
20:08<retrospectacus>feefr: what about it
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20:09<feefr>centrx but not sure if use 4.x linux version or 6.x windows
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20:09<retrospectacus>tranquility: that doesn't make any sense. libmagickwand-dev contains header files in /usr/include/ImageMagick/
20:10<centrx>ary, That's strange, it's like your main arch's packages are conflicting with the i386 packages
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20:10<centrx>ary, What do dpkg --print-architecture and dpkg --print-foreign-architectures show? Did you do the commands in the multiarch HOWTO?
20:11<tranquility>retrospectacus: Is there a way to have it do a complete reinstall? Like fresh?
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20:11<retrospectacus>yeah. apt-get install --reinstall libmagickwand-dev
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20:12<tranquility>retrospectacus: still nothing
20:13<ary>centrx, dpkg --print-architecture results: amd64
20:13<retrospectacus>tranquility: can you paste your install command and "dpkg -L libmagickwand-dev" and outputs on http://paste.debian.net
20:13<ary>centrx, dpkg --print-foreing-architecture results: i386
20:13<tranquility>retrospectacus: sure give me a sec
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20:15<centrx>ary, Have you mixed your install with testing/unstable Debian packages or third-party sources?
20:15<tranquility>http://paste.debian.net/160845/
20:15<centrx>ary, This line strikes me as indicating something like that: libc6-dev : Quebra: libc6-dev:i386 (!= 2.19-15) mas 2.13-38+deb7u8 será instalado.
20:16<centrx>ary, as the old package shouldn't know that the future current version is 2.19-15
20:16<retrospectacus>tranquility: http://paste.debian.net/160846/
20:17<tranquility>retrospectacus: yeah, I have no clue why its not working
20:17<tranquility>retrospectacus: I might as well just try to install from source lol
20:17<ary>centrx, i think I may had do that. My fglrx was bugging on some fullscreen games. The problem is gone after I install Unstable fglrx drivers.
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20:18<retrospectacus>tranquility: what version of debian?
20:18<retrospectacus>what version of libmagickwand-dev
20:18<centrx>ary, Yes it may be that you've inadvertently upgraded the rest of your system to unstable
20:19<tranquility>retrospectacus: Debian 8 and ImageMagick 6.8.9-9
20:19<centrx>ary, If that's the case, you can either continue to track testing/unstable, or re-install stable
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20:19<retrospectacus>tranquility: in jessie the headers are in libmagickwand-6-headers
20:20<ary>centrx, Oh boy. Oh boy. O forget to take unstable off sources.list before run apt-get upgrade.....
20:20<ary>centrx, thare
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20:20<tranquility>retrospectacus: Yep that fixed the problem with the missing /usr/libs for ImageMagick
20:20<ary>centrx, there is some way to restore to stable?????
20:23<retrospectacus>,v libc6-dev
20:23<judd>Package: libc6-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u5; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; sid: 2.19-15; jessie: 2.19-15
20:24<centrx>ary, not really no
20:24<ary>centrx, here is my source.list: http://paste.debian.net/160848/
20:24<centrx>ary, yeah, tracking 'jessie' is not a bad idea, it will turn into stable when it is released, that's basically what you are on now
20:25<retrospectacus>ary: no. You're running sid now (assuming you proceeded with "dist-upgrade" with that sources.list which it appears you did)
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20:26<retrospectacus>ary: you could try and stick yourself to jessie and carry on
20:26<retrospectacus>,v wine
20:26<judd>Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; sid: 1.6.2-20
20:26<retrospectacus>ary: wine 1.62 is in jessie anyway
20:26<retrospectacus>1.6.2
20:26<ary>centrx, shure. But still having trouble with add-architecture i386. That is my bigest problem
20:27<centrx>ary, It looks like that part worked. It is running into conflicts between wheezy and your half-installed sid
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20:27<retrospectacus>your biggest problem is that you think you need wine.
20:27<twb>I always forget: what's the command to show debconf choices for a package?
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20:27<centrx>Ultimately, this is a spiritual problem
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20:27<centrx>twb, dpkg-reconfigure ?
20:27<twb>centrx: *read*, not change
20:27<ary>centrx, so just it is just upgrade for jessie and all will be fixed?
20:28<twb>debconf-get-selections dumps ALL of them, but it needs debconf-utils installed.
20:28<retrospectacus>debconf-show
20:28<twb>There's another command- thanks
20:28<centrx>ary, Basically yes
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20:28<ary>centrx, and the arch problems will be gone??? ;)
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20:29<centrx>right
20:29<centrx>you may even be able to run archs you never thought possible
20:30<ary>centrx, just need to change wheezy to jessie on my sources.list? Should I take of SID?
20:31<centrx>ary, yes to both
20:31<ary>lets go then
20:31<centrx>ary, and do aptitude or apt-get dist-upgrade
20:31<centrx>apt-get update && etc
20:32<centrx>&&c.
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20:34<ary>centrx, its rolling. Just a fool question to confirm my newbish: Does need to restart before we try to fix arch problems?
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20:34<centrx>ary, it may not be strictly necessary but it may not be a bad idea, depending on what packages are upgraded with the dist-upgrade
20:35<centrx>ary, paste the list of packages to be installed removed first so we can look at it
20:35<centrx>ary, make sure nothing essential is being removed
20:35<centrx>s/essential/important
20:36<ary>centrx, Oh man. I allready hit enter.
20:36<centrx>it's probably fine
20:36<centrx>still paste the message it showed would be good
20:37<centrx>you can also cancel safely anytime before the downloads finish
20:37<ary>centrx, but 0 packeges removed 95 packages updated
20:37<centrx>ok that's good
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20:41<ary>centrx, and it is all about play worms armageddon on linux. kkkkkkkkk.
20:42<centrx>ary, I would recommend using a VM like virtualbox instead of wine
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20:42<ary>centrx, Do u play worms?
20:42<retrospectacus>I got worms going best using Playonlinux, once upon a time
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20:43<centrx>my dog got worms once
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20:43<retrospectacus>lol
20:43<centrx>I like that tank game where you plot the trajectory and buy weapons
20:44<centrx>2d side non-scroller
20:44<retrospectacus>scorched earth
20:44<ary>that is good too. I played worms since ever
20:44<centrx>Scorched Earth!!
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20:44<centrx>And it's in Debian as scorched3d!
20:44<centrx>brb
20:44<retrospectacus>3d??? what is this blasphemy
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20:49<ary>centrx, never try that. I thought u was talking about DDtank
20:49<ary>retrospectacus, d u know worms shoopa game?
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20:56<prigit>hello
20:57-!-prigit is now known as Dell
20:57<Dell>hello
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20:58<morg4n>here is time to say goodn8th grear guys!
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21:06<retrospectacus>ary: no
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21:09<ary>retrospectacus, google it and see some videos. It is nice: Worms Shoopa games. Also there are others game types played on worms like WxW, TowerRace and Fly Shooper
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21:14<linuxers>gut morning All
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22:00<hwgasdfasdf>how much of an issue will it be to install xserver-xorg-video-intel from experimental on a sid system?
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22:01<hwgasdfasdf>have a broadwell based i5 nuc with HD6000 graphics, and the version in sid doesn't support that chipset yet
22:02<hwgasdfasdf>though it seems to be similar to the current version in ubuntu
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22:08<hwgasdfasdf>er, to be clearer, the version in debian experimental seems to be the version in ubuntu stable
22:08<hwgasdfasdf>or very close to it anyways
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22:11<centrx>hwgasdfasdf, depends on if the experimental package is reliable and compatible
22:12<centrx>hwgasdfasdf, sometimes they are just as solid as unstable
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22:16<hwgasdfasdf>well it's either that, or no hardware acceleration at all
22:17<hwgasdfasdf>so I guess onwards it is...
22:20<hwgasdfasdf>also, why is the kernel module for the Intel Wireless 7265 wanting a firmware that's 2 or 3 versions newer than what's available in the firmware-iwlwifi package?
22:20<hwgasdfasdf>package has -9, module wants -12
22:20<hwgasdfasdf>and thus it's 100% broken and doesn't even load
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22:21<hwgasdfasdf>I think the module tries to load -12 and -11
22:21<hwgasdfasdf>yet the package only contains -9
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22:24<sney>hwgasdfasdf: any chance you're using a kernel from backports, but firmware-iwlagn from stable?
22:25<hwgasdfasdf>pretty sure not
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22:25<hwgasdfasdf>it's a fresh install of sid
22:25<sney>ah
22:25<sney>!pieces
22:25<dpkg>methinks sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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22:25<sney>#debian-next for support questions but try to remember that broken is normal
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22:29<hwgasdfasdf>yeah, that's really the problem with super new hardware - nothing works
22:29<hwgasdfasdf>been a long time since I've had anything new enough to have these issues
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22:34<SamB_laptop>hwgasdfasdf: feel free to report a bug against the firmware package; you could suggest they include more revisions or something
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22:43<poi_dog>I wish I could get Overdrive to work in my Debian machines.
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22:46<poi_dog>and Hoopla
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23:39<listn3r>hi all
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