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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-03-13

---Logopened Fri Mar 13 00:00:49 2015
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00:33<TeslasMHD>^_^
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03:23<simmo>hello. is anybody around?
03:25<jm_>!ask\
03:25<jm_>bleh, just ask
03:26<simmo>!ask
03:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:27<simmo>!ask I have a problem with Samba. I'm using a Linux and a Windows 7 virtual box and I configured a network folder on Samba conf files. I got it all mapped on windows 7 but the content of the folder doesnt seem to show up on either of the operating systems
03:28<jm_>have you checked what smbclient shows?
03:29<simmo>no, let me check it.
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04:28<stefano>hi
04:30<stefano>
04:30<stefano>die
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06:12<st3fano>hi
06:12<st3fano>all
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06:20<lantizia>Hi, can I get some doc clarification? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#ftn.idp5931616
06:21<lantizia>I'm following 4.3.3 at the end of 4.3.3.2 it just says ""now copy the ISO file of a Debian ISO image[4] onto the stick"" but doesn't say where? any ideas?
06:21<peter1138>Onto it directly.
06:21<lantizia>this guy seems to have followed that section of the docs too... but he cp'd it to a 2nd partition - which doesn't seem to work :) http://yy27.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/installing-debian-wheezy-from-usb-over.html
06:21<lantizia>peter1138, over the top of the partition that was just worked on in 4.3.3?
06:22<peter1138>Okay, ignore me, I didn't read that :p
06:22<peter1138>There's no need to prepare any files for USB booting these days.
06:22<peter1138>Just copy the installer image directly to the stick.
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06:22<lantizia>except i need a modified sysconfig so it'll use serial
06:22<peter1138>Well now that's just awkward :)
06:23<lantizia>it's a PC Engines APU board :)
06:23<lantizia>no vga or keyb/mouse
06:23<peter1138>sorry for the noise, I can't help you there as I've never done it.
06:23<lantizia>ok
06:23<peter1138>Ah, I've heard of them, sound like nice devices.
06:24<lantizia>it's a shame debian's default iso's dont support serial :S
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08:25<Ashish>What can I help you about Hamara?
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08:46<tom__>anyone knows how i can set nautilus back as my default file manager? somehow i ended up with konqueror/dolphin
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08:53<tom__>nvm, i switched it with exo-preferred-applications
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09:23<lantizia>can anyone reveal the *complete* instructions debian uses to create their hybrid iso's?
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09:24<lantizia>the more I google I realise it's shrouded in secrecy
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09:40<SynrGy>lantizia: well, once upon a time, people used to use isohybrid for this, but that is deprecated so maybe you get false hits on that. that old method is syslinux-specific
09:41<SynrGy>there's a more general solution used these days (iirc) with xorriso
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09:41<SynrGy>that might give you another keyword to look for in your search
09:43<SynrGy>lantizia: i know this isn't "complete instructions" as used by debian, but the syslinux wiki has:
09:43<SynrGy>http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Isohybrid
09:44<SynrGy>starting at "Optionally, the ISO 9660 production program xorriso can enhance its results by isohybrid ..."
09:44<lantizia>no I don't want guesses to be honest (no offence) I was hoping someone knew where the actual processed is documented (the one actually used by the cd maintainers)
09:44<SynrGy>you can read the source
09:44<SynrGy>i doubt if this is something separately documented
09:44<SynrGy>if it just comes down to using a single option, there's no point
09:45<SynrGy>and as for "guesses", i'm on the debian live team and have dealt with isohybrid vs. xorriso approaches, so i'm not entirely ignorant.
09:45<SynrGy>i just thought i could help you focus your search.
09:46<lantizia><lantizia> the more I google I realise it's shrouded in secrecy
09:46<lantizia>and so it stays
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09:48<SynrGy>failure to google can be simply a matter of not knowing exactly what you're looking for. so there's value in me telling you i know they now use xorriso
09:48<SynrGy>because that's a less common keyword than 'hybrid'
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09:48<SynrGy>i'm sorry you feel my comments are valueless. i'll shut up now
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10:17<knoppix_>hi
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10:18<musca>no hi
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10:28<CQ>hello... how can you install jessie without systemd? is that possible?
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10:28<CQ>https://wiki.debian.org/systemd shows a way... is that still accurate?
10:29<CQ>https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd
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10:30<Brigo>CQ, afaik it is accurate. But you can install the base system and then remove systemd and go on.
10:30<CQ>brigo ok, might do that then... I currently have a 32 bit system and want to go to 64 bit
10:30<CQ>...or I could reinstall a 64 bit wheezy, not sure which is better atm
10:31<Brigo>CQ, i think wheezy is a bit old nowadays.
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10:33<CQ>sure, but I am looking for it as a base system to run virtualboxes on... one for apps (mail, office), one for DB, one fir Dev, etc.
10:33<CQ>so it shouldn't be a problem
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10:34<CQ>...and then I can move to jessie withiout getting systemd in teh first place
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10:35<ifyfgi>Please I cannot use basic command on files composed fom more than one word.
10:35<blast007>ifyfgi: put the path inside of single quotes, or escape the spaces with a \
10:36<ifyfgi>thanks
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10:38<hadrial>malam
10:39<hadrial>gimana menghilangkan huruf besar otomatis setelah titik di kingsoff for linux???
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10:39<Brigo>!en
10:39<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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10:41<SynrGy>!id
10:41<dpkg>Silahkan kunjungi channel #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) untuk bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia. For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org)
10:41<SynrGy>sadly, there's nobody there :( only MeetBot
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11:19<gimp335>Wow, once you get your wheezy all set up it can be quite beautiful.
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11:26<gimp335>http://imagebin.ca/v/1uh4uaRaQDmo
11:26<gimp335>newly installed debian xfce desktop ^^^
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11:30<Bram>Hi, I tested my companies migration from redmine to debian testing and i found some issues. can i report this at bugs.debian.org or is that only for the stable release??
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11:31<SynrGy>if you're using debian's redmine package, you can file bugs against bugs.debian.org
11:31<SynrGy>doesn't matter which release, as long as it came from debian's archive, not elsewhere.
11:31<Bram>oke thanks
11:32<SynrGy>(e.g. don't report if you installed it from rubygems)
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11:34<levlaz>Good morning! Who is excited to LibrePlanet? :)
11:34<levlaz>for*
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11:40<petn-randall>Bram: From where to where did you exactly migrate?
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11:45<Bram>petn-randall, from stable to testing
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11:48<petn-randall>Bram: I see. What exactly did fail on upgrade?
11:49<petn-randall>Bram: Btw, thanks for testing our upcoming release.
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11:50<Bram>An Wiki page gives error 500
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11:52<petn-randall>Bram: Every wiki page? Did you find the cause yet?
11:52<Bram>No one of the wiki pages, did not find the cause..
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12:01<petn-randall>Bram: Can you double-check if you didn't miss any of the upgrade steps documented in /usr/share/doc/redmine/README.Debian.gz?
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12:03<Bram>shure ill take a look
12:06<Bram>petn-randall, nope no strange things in the readme
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12:10<petn-randall>Bram: Then you should file a RC bug against redmine and provide as much relevant info as possible for the maintainer to reproduce the problem.
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12:14<Bram>just sended. there is not much info. I attached the content of the assosiated sql tabel. but i needed to fiddle out sensetive info..
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12:29<Bram>petn-randall, Hmzzz it looks like it is an ODD wiki page directly redirecting to a other..
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12:30<Bram>perhaps if i sanitize my wiki pages it will migrate correctly..
12:30<Bram>but it is still an bug...
12:31<yagoda>if i dont want to install irc client on my machine, i want to ssh into it on another machine that i have irssi installed on it... how do i write in terminal so i can connect to it?
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12:33<Maulkin>look at tmux, or screen
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12:44<Bram>fiddeld with the wiki content.. ill try a new migration next week
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13:21<zubcero>Buenas tardes a todos
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13:44<mnuhmnuh>lookit this. should I be worried? in /tmp: drwx------ 2 keeling keeling 1024 1969-12-31 16:00 orbit-keeling/
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13:49<SM1L3>hi
13:49<SM1L3>who are here
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14:27<yudz>hi guys is there a way to use patch but only apply lines which have been added?
14:27<yudz>i found some awk script to help but im getting a syntax error near ',' here: 4 match($0, /([0-9]+)(,([0-9]+))?([acd])([0-9]+)(,([0-9]+))?/, a) {
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14:57<viccuad>Hi, this is a fun one: I can't get proper unicode support on tty. I have already done 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data && dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration && service keyboard-setup restart' but no luck. Any idea how to tackle it? thanks in advance
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15:16<domovoy>i have this makefile (A), that needs to include others (B, C, D...), thing is, those others are available only after extracting an archive, which is done by a rule in A. So of course i can write a rule matching those includes, but i'd still have a warning about them missing. Any better solution?
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15:22<voja>JOIN
15:22<voja>to
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15:22<AndroUser>hola
15:23<voja>hi
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15:24<voja>do oy speack serbian
15:25<AndroUser>no
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15:25<voja>tubad
15:25<AndroUser>cn or en
15:25<voja>en
15:25<AndroUser>yo
15:26<voja>im serbian
15:26<voja>yu are?
15:26<AndroUser>chinese
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15:27<AndroUser>I want to try sid tomorrow
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15:27<voja>wath is sid
15:28<AndroUser>stable can not give me what I want
15:28<AndroUser>sid is the unstable version of debian
15:28<voja>OK
15:28<AndroUser>u must know debian
15:29<voja>i use sackware :)
15:29<AndroUser>what it is?
15:29<voja>linux
15:29<AndroUser>u mean slackware?
15:30<voja>hardcore Linux
15:30<voja>yes im so sorry
15:30<voja>;(
15:30<retrospectacus>!chat
15:30<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
15:31<voja>sory
15:31<AndroUser>retrospectacus: XoX
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15:53<dpkg>[iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>.
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16:02<ondrej_g>hi, tomorrow I'll try to install Debian on a fairly new notebook (Broadwell i7-5500U with Intel® HD Graphics 5500 and dedicated Nvidia GeFroce 840M) and I'm not sure whether I should even try to run stable on it
16:02<lostatwork>might be better to install Jessie on that
16:03<ondrej_g>I know the backports kernel support newer hardware, but is there some way to find out whether it is too new for bumblebee from backports?
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16:03<ondrej_g>yeah, I was thinking about installing Jessie as the installer RC is out anyways
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16:05<blast007>!testing installer
16:05<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
16:05<ondrej_g>oh, thx for the reminder
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16:06<lostatwork>bah i installed all mine from the testing installer so in actuality I tested the installer and it worked fine
16:06<ondrej_g>ok, so I toy think it is advisable to install stable in text mode and try to set up X after upgrading to jessie?
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16:10*retrospectacus recommends the testing installer, at this point
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16:10<ondrej_g>retrospectacus: ok, may I know for what reason?
16:10<retrospectacus>stable->testing probably work too, but more work, and you'll probably need wired internet
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16:11<retrospectacus>ondrej_g: well, it's worked fine for me. I think jessie is almost ready
16:11<ondrej_g>retrospectacus: did it work with wireless drivers?
16:12*ondrej_g can at the worst plug in a cable though
16:12<retrospectacus>no but I have older hardware
16:13<retrospectacus>but wireless is a common problem because of unavailability of free firmware
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16:15<ondrej_g>hmm, the errata seems empty at the moment but there are lots of bugs against the package
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16:16<ondrej_g>retrospectacus: why do you think the standard way (stable->testing) will require more work?
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16:16<retrospectacus>because you install, then upgrade. rather than just install.
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16:17<lostatwork>yeah that would be a pain, using the installer is much easier and it work really well
16:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 693] by debhelper
16:18<ondrej_g>but at least I'd have some guarantee of the install being consistent
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16:19<m4gnus>hello, im having an issue removing fglrx-legacy-driver after installing it with aptitude.
16:19<ondrej_g>thank you for your answer, I'll just have to see what gives tomorrow
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16:28<ondrej_g>a separate issue: how to run a program (a game, darkmod to be specific) in a different xserver and yet make sure pulseaudio will listen to connections from the new xserver?
16:28<ondrej_g>once I swicthed to the other xserver, it stopped playback
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17:14<m4gnus>can someone please assist me with dpkg error while trying to remove a package? I've googled the crap out of the error and have found nothing useful
17:14<retrospectacus>!bat
17:14<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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17:18<m4gnus>http://paste.debian.net/161177
17:18<m4gnus>http://paste.debian.net/161178
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17:29<asklepian>ok... I've installed the debian base system
17:29<asklepian>using the netinstall iso with no internet connection
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17:30<asklepian>why does it give me the option to use a single partition or separate partitions for home tmp var and usr
17:30<asklepian>?
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17:44<asklepian>how do I mount a FAT filesystem?
17:45<towo`>with mount
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18:02<asklepian>what should I use as a command line tool to connect to wifi?
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18:03<rudi_s>asklepian: wpa_supplicant - you can use wicd to get initial help with the configuration and then switch to wpa_supplicant (wicd uses it internally anyway).
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18:17<asklepian>how do I copy the contents of one directory to another directory?
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18:17<asklepian>I don't want to copy the directcory itself ... just the contents
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18:21<centrx>asklepian, cp -a mydir/* otherdir
18:22<asklepian>thanks
18:22<asklepian>ok
18:22<asklepian>I have a weird problem then
18:22<asklepian>I'm use a bare debian install with no internet
18:22<asklepian>uising*
18:23<asklepian>I've loaded the drivers it's looking for into /usr/lib/firmware/b43
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18:23<asklepian>and can confirm that the exact file it's asking for (ucode29_mimo.fw) is present in that directory
18:23<asklepian>is there any reason why it would still give me this error?
18:24<asklepian>...the error is that it isn't there
18:25<asklepian>Im attempting "ip link set wlan0 up"
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18:25<asklepian>the error I get is "b43 bcma:0: firmware: agent aborted loading b43/ucode29_mimo.fw (notfound?)
18:25<asklepian>"
18:26<asklepian>I've tried rebooting
18:26<asklepian>I'm not sure why the .fw files aren't seen by debian
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18:30<towo`>asklepian, because of dfsg
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18:31<asklepian>huh?
18:31<asklepian>dfsg?
18:31<towo`>debian free software guide
18:31<towo`>firmware is non-freee
18:31<towo`>so it's not shipped om offivial media
18:31<towo`>s/m/n
18:32<asklepian>that's fine
18:32<asklepian>cause I put the firmware in there myself
18:32<towo`>the live in debian's non-free repos
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18:32<asklepian>right
18:32<asklepian>I downloaded and built them on another machine
18:32<asklepian>then transferred them via usb
18:32<towo`>there is nothing to build
18:33<asklepian>(since they're needed for internet
18:33<asklepian>)
18:33<asklepian>yes there is
18:33<towo`>no
18:33<towo`>firmware is binary
18:33<towo`>not source
18:33<asklepian>firmware-b43-installer
18:33<asklepian>look it up
18:33<asklepian>any way this part is irrelevant
18:33<towo`>if you know all better, why you ask?
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18:37<asklepian>I ask about what I don't know
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18:37<asklepian>I don't ask about what I do know
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18:38<asklepian>firmware-b43-installer uses fwcutter to build the firmware from source it downloads itself
18:38<asklepian>I had to do it manually that's how I know
18:38<asklepian>what I don't know is why, after moving the firmware files to the appropriate location, the system just ignores them
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19:25<uniqdom>Hi. I have read that echoing some numbers (bus and device numbers) you can unbind and bind USB devices. I wonder how to get those numbers for a specific device.
19:25<uniqdom>Can those numbers be obtained with 'lsusb' or 'lsusb -t'?
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19:27<uniqdom>I want to make a bash script to unbind and bind two specific devices when they are malfunctioning. But don't know how to get those numbers http://paste.debian.net/161189/
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20:06<on247me>ok i need help with odd setup
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20:07<on247me>headless server with graphics
20:07<on247me>The idea : Xorg<->Card
20:08<on247me>Xorg->VNC->PC
20:08<on247me>the problem is that i have no screen and i dont know how to send output to abuffer
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20:08<on247me>without losing acceleration
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20:27<sleser>guys how do i set so i can see the dvd i inserted shows in /media/cdrom0
20:28<sleser>i already have a directory media/cdrom0
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20:48<LtL>sleser: mount -t iso9660 device /media/cdrom0 use the proper /dev/device
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20:55<sleser>does wine need permition to cdrom ?
20:55<sleser>for some reason the app cant find the cdrom i did point wine in to the directory media/cdrom0
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20:57<LtL>sleser: that -t option may not work with a dvd, type mount .. did it mount
20:58<sleser>it mounted
20:59<LtL>sleser: can't help you with wine
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20:59<sleser>np
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21:21<exoplanet>hi i am trying to loop mount an iso but i get the following error: mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660'
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21:22<themill>exoplanet: have you installed a new kernel and not rebooted?
21:24<exoplanet>apt.log and `last` suggest that is the case. themill
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21:26<exoplanet>trying to load the module iso9660 gets me: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'isofs': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
21:26<exoplanet>dmesg: isofs: Unknown symbol pagecache_get_page_fixed (err 0)
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21:32<exoplanet>restarted and it works. Thanks a lot themill.
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22:02<gump>anyone installed nvidia drivers using the .run files?
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22:02<gump>how did you get nvidia-settings without its dependencies (eg nvidia-drivers)
22:03<tundra>Hello everyone, I just tried to boot my machine and was greeted with this : http://imgur.com/Wzhg0p8 anyone have any insight?
22:03<tundra>or any help at all?
22:03<gump>tundra, corrupt sectors on your hdd
22:04<gump>on another computer, install a light portable linux distro like ubuntu on a usb stick
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22:04<gump>then boot from it and check your filesystem, check SMART data etc
22:05<tundra>gump, thats not good. any way I can determine which one? I have 2 installed
22:05<gump>looks like dev/sda, whichever one that is
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22:06<tundra>this day gets better and better.
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22:06<gump>boot from a usb device, check smart data. if it's failing, back up as much as you can before it dies completely
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22:07<tundra>ok. I'm gonna need you to walk me through this. I'm gonna go ahead and boot it to a live
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22:13<gump>oh for fucks sake
22:13<gump>just ran smartctl on my own hdd just for kicks and half of it says pre fail
22:13<gump>hahaha fml
22:13<tundra>hey, it takes a bit
22:14<tundra>oh damn. I thought you were mad at me
22:14<gump>lol no
22:14<gump>but anyway basically what you'll do is run su > root password, then smartctl -a /dev/sda
22:15<tundra>ok, the live is almost up
22:15<gump>ubuntu?
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22:16<Taco>Can anybody suggest an avenue for me to use... I'm looking to distribute a pop3/imap mail server that uses Maildir, so that multiple hosts can provide the same service, so the mail service has high availability and is tolerant of hosts going down etc.... a distributed file system is probably the best method? zfs? glusterfs?
22:17<tundra>gump, no its knoppix. ubuntu just kills over on this machine
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22:17<gump>alright. don't know what repos you're on but you might have to install smartmontools
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22:18<tundra>shouldn't be too big an issue. the better trick comes when I have to reinstall every damn thing
22:21<tundra>gump, can I do the drive scan thing if I plug the drive up to an external connection to another machine?
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22:29<tundra>hey gump, I've hit a wall. I can't install the tool nor does it exist on the system. is there anything else?
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22:45<gump>tundra, sorry was afk
22:45<gump>not sure what to suggest, i don't know that distro
22:45<gump>can't do aptitude or some equivalent?
22:46<tundra>tried it. got nothing.
22:47<gump>as in aptitude ran and said no package found?
22:47<gump>are you connected to a network?
22:48<gump>tundra, are you on a network?
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22:48<gump>what repos are there in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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22:50<tundra>oh sorry, walked away. I just started a different live CD so I'm hoping this will have whatever I need as it's much newer
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22:51<gump>tundra, get on a network and add this to /etc/apt/sources.list
22:51<gump># KNOPPIX Sources
22:51<gump>deb-src http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org ./
22:51<gump># KNOPPIX Precompiled binaries
22:51<gump>deb http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org ./
22:51-!-gump was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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22:52<gump>top kek
22:52<tundra>will do.
22:52<gump>deb-src http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org ./
22:52<gump>deb http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org ./
22:52<gump>then apt-get update
22:52<gump>apt-get install smartmontools
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22:56<Raku>Well, thats a convenient time for my internet to go out, did any of my messages go through?
22:56<gump>not that i've seen
22:56<gump>!ping
22:56<dpkg>pong
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22:58<Raku>Alright, guess ill resend
22:58<Raku>I recently started messing with playing audio, im using mplayer from command line, (no DE installed) and i cant get the volume at any audible level, its always extremely quiet, it sounds like its play…
22:58<Raku>…ing from a phone speaker, ive tried using the -volume flag and messing with amixer but nothing helps
23:03<gimp335>try alsamixer
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23:11<Raku2>Hey alsamixer did it :), thanks man
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23:12<gimp335>Sure. Its helped me many times in console.
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23:13<gimp335>Never could get amixer to work either.
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23:14<Raku2>I think amixer was working, i wasnt setting the right value though
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23:15<Raku2>Cause the master volume was 100 in both which is what i was setting, regardless, its working flawlessly now so thank you very much
23:15<gimp335>Its been awhile but I dont think i had the patience for it. I like alsamixer arrow button control.
23:16<Raku2>Heh, ya guis are always pretty nice
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23:18<gimp335>Well, in console when all you wanna do is turn the volume up its nice not to have to get all command options right.
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23:25<Raku2>Ya lol
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