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00:37<savf3>How come Cura 3D printer software is no longer included in Debian? Now it only includes the command line tool cura-engine.
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00:55<themill>savf3: was it ever included? what package name?
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00:56<jla>Long ago when I would install kernel updates there use to be a message from apt or aptitude that would tell me I ought to reboot as soon as possible. I don't think I've seen the message since 5.0/Lenny, maybe longer and I've always wondered if something changed to make rebooting after a kernel upgrade less urgent or if it was just dropped due to being confusing or change of maintainers.
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00:57<jla>On a related note, I've started using automated systems to upgrade my servers. How can I check and see which ones aren't running the updated kernel yet?
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00:58<themill>!reboot required
00:58<dpkg>If you've upgraded your kernel package you need to reboot to start running the new kernel. Unless the <kernel abi> has changed, uname -r doesn't tell you whether this is needed or not, instead compare /proc/version to the package version: if ! grep -q $(dpkg-query -f'${Version}' -W linux-image-$(uname -r)) /proc/version; then echo "Reboot required"; fi
00:59<themill>jla: the update-notifier set of packages generates a "you need to reboot" message, but I don't think either apt or maintainer scripts have ever done so
00:59<jla>themill: perfect, thank you. I started finding stuff about /run/reboot-required.pkgs when I searched but I think that's something for desktop systems.
01:00<themill>It's certainly possible to run some of those bits headless.
01:00<themill>(unattended-upgrades might do that too)
01:01<jla>Maybe I'll look into it. None of the servers have it installed by default so I figured it was part of the desktop package dependencies. I'll look into distilling that shell test into a salt command.
01:01<themill>From jessie onwards, the package name is in `uname -v` too which makes a much simpler test than the funny dance from dpkg's factoid
01:01<themill>s/package name/package version/
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01:02<jla>that will be nice to have
01:03<themill>note that if the kernel abi *does* change, then that reboot required factoid will return a false negative...
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01:10<jla>themill: If the abi changes, won't the kernel version ABI version change, so eg from 3.2.65-1 to 3.2.65-2? If so, wouldn't the grep fail to match, just like a change from 3.2.65-1+deb7u1 to 3.2.65-1+deb7u2?
01:11<jla>maybe I should look into update-notifier
01:11<themill>the old kernel package will still be installed and will still be the running kernel
01:12<jla>ah, right
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01:12<themill>But apt-get won't install the new ABI kernel package unless you ask it to so that might flag that situation for you in any case
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01:21<jla>update-notifier-common has few dependencies and might do the trick. I'm trying it out.
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01:29<jla>It looks like it's got some hooks for apt and kernel post-install so it doesn't answer the question after the fact like the shell script but it should in the future after upgrades.
01:29<savf3>themill I think so, I think the package name was cura, but it doesn't show up in the package search so I might remember wrong.
01:30<brentaarnold>Any Guake users present?
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01:31<savf3>I do remember having installed cura easily on wheezy at one point, but now the .deb download from their website has some dependency problems
01:31<themill>savf3: cura was never in wheezy that I can see
01:32<sleser>dvdrom isnt auto mounting can some one chek fstab. http://paste.debian.net/161204/
01:32<savf3>do you know if that's because of license freedoms?
01:33<themill>savf3: I don't know but I'd guess that's a likely problem
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01:37<savf3>it's too bad because that would be pretty awesome software to have
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01:49<jla>sleser: /dev/sr[01] looks similar to my /dev/sdc0, I suspect the issue isn't fstab but something else. Check https://wiki.debian.org/CDDVD
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01:51<themill>,wnpp cura
01:51<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/706656 in wnpp (open): «ITP: cura -- Controller for 3D printers»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-05-03; last modified: 2013-12-08.
01:51<themill>savf3: ^^ looks like someone is working on a debian package
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01:52<awal>v, needrestart
01:52<sleser>it says i already have a pakage libdvdread4 installed
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01:57<SamB_laptop>can top be configured to put square brackets around pseudo-processes like iotop and ps do?
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01:57<awal>jla, I wonder if checkrestart included in debian-goodies and needrestart 8JESSIE) display advise for reboot after kernel upgrade....
01:58<awal>needrestar (new pack in Jessie) ^
01:59<SamB_laptop>awal: hmm, seems like those tools are overkill for providing such a suggestion ...
01:59<awal>needrestart ^
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02:02<jla>awal: I'll try checkrestart in debian-goodies, the servers are 7/wheezy. It may help me answer a different question, how packages know what they need to restart on upgrade.
02:02<awal>SamB_laptop: such suggestion is probably not necessary as we all now that a reboot is needed for use new kernel features
02:02<themill>jla: needsrestart can; checkrestart doesn't
02:02<awal>all know ^
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02:05<awal>jla: as themill said, you may look at 'needrestart', it's in backports
02:06<jla>in backports? handy. I'll check it out.
02:08<awal>needrestart | 1.2-2~bpo70+1 | wheezy-backports | source, all
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02:21<jla>pretty slick. seems to need to run as root, a bit of a snag for salt cmd.run
02:21<jla>handy local on the box. nice big kernel upgrade warning
02:23<jla>it works, helps if I target the right system
02:23<themill>checking if a reboot is needed doesn't require root
02:24<jla>I agree it shouldn't, the shell way doesn't. needsrestart says it should be run as root and doesn't work right otherwise
02:25<themill>no, needrestart can tell you if the reboot is required without running as root
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02:26<jla>themill: looking closer, true, it does tell me about the kernel without root. It just pukes a bunch of warnings out after doing so. It's a little cleaner about it in batch mode.
02:26<themill>yes: needrestart -rl -k -b 2>/dev/null | grep NEEDRESTART-KSTA:.2
02:26<jla>still whines/warns about wanting to be run as root
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02:29<themill>or better, check to make sure it's 1
02:30<themill>batch mode seems to require you to read /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Kernel.pm which very comforting
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03:18<sleser>the line : /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,auto,ro 0 0 in my fstab mounting the cd inside cdrom and cdrom0 both same time is that normal ?
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03:19<valdyn>sleser: /media/cdrom is a symbolic link?
03:19<sleser>i dont know
03:19<valdyn>sleser: so have a look!
03:19<sleser>how
03:20<valdyn>sleser: ls -ld /media/cdrom
03:20<jla>That wiki page I linked earlier shows how and shows that they are normally symbolic links, you have to keep reading down past the libdvd thing that distracted you.
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03:30<sleser>thanks lemy go test
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03:36<lufeng>hi
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07:08<SynrGy>for efficiency reasons (only 2G of ram on the netbook) i want to run my mail client (icedove) and web browser (chromium) on different hosts. chromium is started locally on the netbook for graphical performance and icedove is started remotely and X-forwarded over ssh for better IO/ram/cpu of the remote host. When I open a link in icedove, i want it to open a tab in my local chromium. how?
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07:10<Wulf4>SynrGy: not a proper solution, but you could change the program/action on the remote end to a custom one and send the link to a program on your local machine
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07:10<SynrGy>any solution that works is a "proper" solution :)
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07:11<SynrGy>ideally the desktop messaging layer should be tunneled back to the local desktop. i suppose that would be "more proper"?
07:12<SynrGy>for example, let's say the remote application wants to give me a passive notification bubble. that should be handled by my local desktop, too.
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07:13<dutchfish>hi, in libc (jessie/x86_64) The libm-ieee `gamma' function gives wrong results (at least for -0.5).
07:14<dutchfish>is there a workaround?
07:14<SynrGy>hmm. google: dbus remote application, first hit: http://gabriel.sourceforge.net/howto.html
07:15<SynrGy>Wulf: could be exactly what i was looking for :)
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07:21<SynrGy>except the project is very old and no recent activity (at this site at least) and not in debian :p
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08:16<Guest296>Qualcuno mi legge?
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08:17<Wulf>Guest296: no?
08:17<Guest296>Bo
08:18<Guest296>Nessuno è in linea?
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08:18<Wulf>Guest296: yes?
08:18<Wulf>Guest296: My Italian is pretty bad. Can you please use English?
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08:19<Guest296>Sono nuovo e non so come muovermi
08:19<koollman>!it
08:19<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:19<Guest296>Grazie
08:21<musca>Prego
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08:51<Linux2015>Un caro saluti a tutti
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08:53<Wulf>Linux2015: yeah, hi. Try #debian-it
08:53<Linux2015>Ok Wulf
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10:35<kasimtalan>Hi
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10:39<clvrmnky>Does the Live CD have a kernel development environment. I couldn't quite tell from the Live CD docs.
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10:40<clvrmnky>(I'm torrenting it now, but haven't booted anything other than an installer image yet.)
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11:06<ondrej_g>hi, where should I ask for help on the RC1 installer? grub efi not installed problem
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11:21<ary>Hi. How can i change my debian to multiarch? I already did dpkg -add-architecture i386. When i try to install build-essential:i386 it doesn't install. What do I do?
11:22<ary>and yep. Did aptitude update too
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11:24-!-Yst is "Yst" on @#Replicant # #debian @#Libreboot #guardianproject #notnotnotnotnottor @#android-os #moocows #oftc #tor #nottor
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11:25<ary>anyone can helpme?
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12:37<zobayer>my bluetooth is not working i am new in linux
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12:38<asklepian>so, what happens during boot that causes the font to change?
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12:38<asklepian>something happens after a ertain point and the font looks "cleaner"
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12:39<mgv>asklepian: /etc/init.d/console-setup happens
12:40<zobayer>i cant understand anything in it i tried to turn on the bluetooth but its fade
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12:43<ZIPY>can someone help me how to use acestreamengine?
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12:52<icehaunter>Good day everyone. I have a problem with setting up nginx. I have a server w/ multiple php and node.js websites on it, all on different subdomains. I want to setup a new domain for a new node app. But I am unable to do so for some reason despite copying everything from similar node app. It just gives out TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS error. Can someone assist
12:52<icehaunter> me please?
12:53<centrx>icehaunter, You'll have better luck in #nginx on irc.freenode.net
12:54<icehaunter>centrx:oh, thank you, didn't know that it had irc channel
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13:07<gump>got an openvpn problem
13:07<Wulf>gump: excellent
13:08<gump>i can connect to a vpn and access resources on it no problem, but if i check "only use this connection for resources on its network" i instantly lose access to all vpn resources
13:08<gump>can't ping anything on the vpn
13:08<jfeliz>!dnsmasq
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13:08<Wulf>gump: perhaps a routing problem
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13:09<gump>i want to be assigned an IP address by the vpn DHCP but if i try to change route settings it forces me to assign myself an IP
13:09<Wulf>gump: openvpn usually doesn't use dhcp.
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13:09<Wulf>gump: and what exactly are "vpn resources"? You'd better talk in terms of IP packets etc.
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13:10<gump>i want to be able to connect to a vpn and ping a server on it
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13:10<gump>using the server lan ip
13:10<gump>and/or ssh to it
13:10<gump>basically i connect and disconnect from vpns half a dozen times an hour and i need to just get assigned a dhcp ip on every vpn
13:10<Wulf>gump: are you sure it's using dhcp?
13:10<gump>i can't go around giving myself the same ip on every one because i don't know what their default gateway is
13:11<gump>Wulf, yes
13:11<Wulf>gump: are you really sure?
13:11<gump>100%. they have workstations assigned statically, and vpn connections pick up an IP handed out to them
13:11<gump>i can do this from windows with absolutely no problem
13:11<Wulf>gump: I say it's not using DHCP.
13:12<gump>how am i being assigned an IP address then?
13:12<Wulf>gump: openvpn got its own protocol for assigning ip addresses, routes, etc.
13:12<gump>i just connected to a vpn with a 10.10.10.* scheme, and was assigned 10.10.10.225
13:12<ary>dpkg --add-architecture doesnt work. My i386 libraries still conflict with amd64 libraries. I am trying to install steam.
13:12*dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new powerpc palace
13:12<gump>our vpn routers are set to start dhcp range at 10.10.10.201
13:13<ary>Hi. Can some one help me?
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13:13<gump>ary are you on jessie or wheezy?
13:14<ary>wheezy
13:14<Wulf>ary: use a paste site to share the commands / error messages
13:14<gump>well, good luck then
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13:14<ary>there is no way to install steam?
13:14<gump>steam depends on packages that are still in experimental vOv i got it working under wheezy once but only by adding certain jessie packages
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13:14<gump>which is bad news bears
13:15<Wulf>gump: to debug your problem, check if you were assigned the correct ip address, check your routes. And use a network sniffer (e.g. tcpdump or wireshark) to see what happens to your packets.
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13:15<gump>well, unfortunately i'm getting paid to work. guess i'll have to use windows for now
13:16<ary>But the arch problem stays
13:16<Apollo>!steam
13:16<dpkg>Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam
13:16<gump>gotta say i'm not a huge fan of networkmanager, it kinda seems terrible
13:16<Wulf>gump: it is.
13:16<gump>any alternatives?
13:17<Wulf>wicked. Or static configuration
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13:17<gump>i am on a static IP on my own network but like i said, i bounce through vpns a lot so i need something to do it efficiently
13:17<ary>Ok. Forget about steam. Why i got an error when i try to install i386 packages?
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13:19<ary>Wulf, can u givme a hand mate?
13:19<Wulf>ary: nope
13:20<Wulf>ary: I haven't seen the error messages yet
13:20<gump>i haven't got a clue, i'm running hundreds of i386 packages on amd64
13:20<gump>aptitude install linux-headers$(uname -r) ?
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13:21<ary>Wulf, Here it is: http://paste.debian.net/161251/
13:21<Wulf>ary: can you set the language to English?
13:21<jelly>!localized errors
13:21<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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13:25<spo3k>hi
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13:25<centrx>ary, steam works well on jessie generaly
13:26<jelly>well enough to browse and start games
13:26<spo3k>is there a debian channel for frenches ?
13:27<spo3k>debian.fr ? debian-fr ?
13:27<jelly>!fr
13:27<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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13:30<spo3k>thanks
13:30<spo3k>i'm in
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13:36<jathan>Hello. I am using Debian Jessie, but if I use Fluxbox or i3 Windows Managera, when I connect an USB and try to delete files on it, a window appear saying that I do not have privileges. I tried to change privileges on all /media directory with chown and chmod, but in terminal
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13:37<jathan>says chown: changing owner of «/media/usb0»: Operation no allowed
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13:39<jathan>If I use GNOME therere is no problem using Nautilus, PCmanFM FileManagers. Only is happening with Fluxbox an i3. I have also Debian Wheezy, but there never was happend that with permission for USB.
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13:40<jathan>Can someone tell me If I need run an autostart application in these Window Managers and the name of that application please?
13:41<jhutchins_wk>jathan: Some idiot decided that users shouldn't be able to write to removable media.
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13:44<jathan>Thanks for answer jhutchins. Oh what a surprise with that. Do you found some solution for get back write to removable media?
13:44<jathan>Why in GNOME yes it's possible write in removable media without being root?
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13:50<jhutchins_wk>jathan: Gnome manages the mounts itself, not sure what i3 uses.
13:50<jhutchins_wk>jathan: The solution I've found is to create an fstab entry that mounts the drive by UUID as user writable
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13:51<jathan>Can you share me the line that you add in fstab for that purpose please?
13:51<jhutchins_wk>!user accessible ntfs
13:51<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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13:53<jathan>Thank you jhutchins_wk and dpkg.
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15:01<treaki>gi
15:01<treaki>hi
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15:01<treaki>i would like to improfe my debian box for webhosting purposes
15:02<treaki>and am planing to develop a toolset for that
15:02<treaki>but i dont like to do this if there is still something like that available
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15:03<treaki>right now i am writing down what i am planing...
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15:04<treaki>i would apprichiate if some people could have a look and tell me if they know simliar still existing projects...
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15:07<musca>!whcp
15:07<dpkg>whcp is probably Web Hosting Control Panel. Ask me about <free whcp> and <non-free whcp>.
15:10<treaki>!free whcp
15:10<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels
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15:11<treaki>o thanks, that looks like we had done to much work that we could had saved us...
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15:36<Samouy>hello there , is dnscrypt software will be packaged for debian ?
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15:42<centrx>Samouy, dnscrypt-proxy was recently added to the development branch (sid/unstable)
15:42<Samouy>centrx, nice thanks you
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16:16<gump>i need help with pptp connections. i can connect to a vpn just fine and access all resources, but it becomes my default gateway
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16:17<gump>if i check "only use this connection for resources on its network"
16:17<gump>i can connect to the vpn
16:17<gump>but i can't access anything on the vpn
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16:18<Wulf>gump: wasn't it openvpn a while ago?
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16:19<gump>yeah i was dumb i'm using pptp
16:19<Wulf>gump: missing routes?
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16:19<Wulf>gump: or wrong ip address. and use a packet sniffer.
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16:20<Wulf>I think I'm repeating myself :(
16:20<gump>lol soz
16:20<gump>what am i supposed to have for routes?
16:20<gump>i've got address netmask gateway metric
16:20<gump>with very little explanation of what address it's referring to. is that my ip address after i connect?
16:22<Wulf>gump: I don't know your networks and don't know what you're trying to access etc., so can't really help here
16:22<Wulf>gump: pptp might mean that you don't have any route into the remote network
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16:26<quane>fsck, system is dead after I installed a kernel update.
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16:31<steelman>hi, where can I find, and should I be looking for, debian-7.8.0-armel-DVD-5.iso?
16:34<Wulf>steelman: tried google?
16:34<steelman>Wulf: i did.
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16:35<steelman>Wulf: All there is are references from MD5 and SHA* SUMS files
16:36<Wulf>steelman: http://ftp2.ca.debian.org/debian-cd/current/armel/iso-dvd/debian-7.8.0-armel-DVD-5.iso
16:36<lostatwork>steelman: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/armel/iso-cd/
16:36<lostatwork>that one might work
16:36<steelman>Wulf: not reall
16:36<lostatwork>oh sorry you were looking for the dvd
16:36<steelman>really
16:37<Wulf>steelman: why not?
16:37<steelman>Wulf: check it out for yourself http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/armel/iso-dvd/
16:37<Wulf>steelman: what link did *I* post?
16:38<steelman>Wulf: I am sorry, that was for lostatwork
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16:38<steelman>lostatwork: there is only DVD-1 on the cdimage server
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16:40<lostatwork>yeah my fault just misread is all
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16:42<steelman>do you know, by any chance, why there are no torrents for armel DVD-3 and higher? neither on cdimage.debian.org nor ftp2.ca?
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16:42<Wulf>steelman: what's wrong with my link?
16:43<steelman>Wulf: nothing at all. There are dvd-s I want. I just can't find torrents for them
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16:57<ary>centrx, Hi
16:58<ary>centrx, Here i am again on fresh new upgrade of debian jessie
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16:58<centrx>amazing
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16:58<ary>centrx, can u now helpme to install fglrx-legacy-driver for my radeon hd3000?
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17:06<sleser>is there a jackd pakage gui for debian ?
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17:19<awal>sleser: aptitude/apt-cache search pkgname or https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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17:21<awal>you can use apper / synaptic too
17:21<sleser>i remember ones i got it from debian but now i cant
17:21<sleser>was the pakage gui remooved from wheezy ?
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17:27<awal>what does that pck exactly, sleser?
17:28<sleser>i had this before . http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/
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17:29<sleser>jackd in apper gave me the connection kit no interface
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17:30<sleser>trying to run what instaled from apper from menue nothing opens
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17:31<awal>check manpages
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17:50<Thinthread>Trying to set up virtual hosts in apache once again after a hardware failure in my old server, have done it many times before but now i'm just stuck. When accessing my URL:s i'll come to the same virtualhost no matter what.. E.g www.domain2.com goes to the same virtual host as the default, www.domain1.com
17:50<AberHatschi>SynrG, you have a converation with a user he need to be install debian on there new laptop with ssd and hdd in do you remember ?
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17:52<AberHatschi>the install was failed with message no bottable media found
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17:53<Thinthread>cd ..
17:53<Thinthread>sorry wrong keyboard lol
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18:24<Thinthread>Please query me if anyone have a good edvice, i will go to bed now ciao
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18:40<grummund>Hi, how can a lvm be "in use" after the filesystem it contains is unmounted?
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19:13<sleser>is there a way to emulate cd without cdemu tool with terminal ?
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19:40<maxvt>Dear all, what’s the Debian etiquette for an issue with a package? I have a ‘systemtap’ issue on i686 on wheezy (amd64 of same version works fine). I went to the systemtap mailing list (which is native to RedHat) and they said to try the newest version since the stable version of Debian is ancient (1.7 vs 2.6). The version from debian testing builds fine on wheezy but major pieces appear not to work. The question is, is there a
19:40<maxvt>debian-specific mailing list for it, or should I mail the maintainer, or open a bug, or…?
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19:40<centrx>What kind of bug?
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19:41<centrx>maxvt, If it's not a release-critical bug, it's not likely to be fixed in already-released stable wheezy
19:42<centrx>maxvt, You built the Debian source package from testing, with dpkg-buildpackage on wheezy?
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19:45<maxvt>centrx, I doubt it would be called release critical… for a specific system call, on a specific platform, the tracing is not functional. With other calls, or with another platform, it is fine. So I would doubt it is release critical
19:45<centrx>Okay then it's not likely to be fixed in wheezy so I wouldn't file a bug
19:46<centrx>But if it's still in testing/jessie, then you should file a bug
19:46<centrx>But the question is whether it doesn't work because it is being built on wheezy, or because the package is broken in testing
19:46<maxvt>I guess I could set up a testing VM once I’m back at work on Monday to test… but that’s a piece of work
19:47<maxvt>I downloaded the testing package with apt-get source, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot… as in the “APT HOWTO (Obsolete Documentation)”
19:47<centrx>Yes that should be fine, but sometimes there can be incompatibilities anyway
19:48<centrx>http://bugs.debian.org/systemtap apparently shows not any serious bug
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19:48<centrx>So no one else has reported it
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19:49<maxvt>I’m not sure if there is an expectation that jessie packages should build and work on wheezy, in general
19:50<maxvt>or if I should switch to testing entirely if I want to run that version.
19:51<quane>I updated the kernel on my server and now I can't SSH in.
19:51<maxvt>I also tried the very latest of systemtap from upstream and was running into what looked like exactly the same issue on wheezy.
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19:56<crepple>I have a curiosity question. I have an old Acer ferari - AMD64 allegedly but seems to actually be 32 bit and gets as hot as p4 - anyway it failed to install windows xp or ubuntu, but Debian net install worked perfectly. What's happening? I'm grateful I can use the old codger, but I'm very confused.
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20:00<maxvt>crepple: it would be interesting to know what’s a “failure to install”. I would expect WinXP to run on it.
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20:02<crepple>XP stopped half way through - well some way through "copying files"
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20:02<crepple>And that happened twice
20:03<crepple>Ubuntu seemed to work until I restarted and then Grub couldn't find anything to load
20:04<crepple>maxvt sorry I should have been clearer what I meant in each case
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20:05<crepple>My instinct tells me the drive has bad sectors, but I don't remember how to check that - I will look it up later
20:05<centrx>crepple, run a fsck with the option that uses badblocks (or you can run badblocks directly)
20:05<maxvt>hmm. If XP installation just hangs… my first suspicion would be a hardware issue. Of some kind - could be bad CD drive, or overheating, or bad blocks on destination drive.
20:06<crepple>That's a really good point maxvt - netinst takes up very little of the CD
20:06<crepple>I sould have tried from a usb drive
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20:07<crepple>Never thought of it
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20:07<crepple>centrx I'll try that
20:08<quane>I ran sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
20:08<crepple>Now I've got Debian I'm quite hapy with it - I used to be a Debian user some years ago - very out of practise now though
20:08<quane>okayed a few kernel packages. Now the system can't be pinged (?)
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20:08<centrx>quane, Did you reboot the system/
20:09<quane>Yeah. I sent "sudo reboot && exit"
20:09<centrx>Okay it's possible it failed to boot up
20:09<centrx>Can you get a remote console from your hosting provider so you can select the old kernel at boot?
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20:12<quane>It's a box in my basement.
20:13<centrx>ok great, so yeah you can boot into the old kernel from the boot loader menu and see what happened
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20:16<quane>It's just loading a rainbow pattern.
20:17<quane>elinux.org says causes are: (1) insufficient power (2) need to add boot delay (3) bad kernel.img
20:17<quane>http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Coloured_splash_screen
20:17<centrx>Okay I'm not sure how booting works on the Pi
20:18<clvrmnky>re-asking: do any of the live cds have a kernel dev env so I can recompile and insmod a kernel module?
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20:19<devil>clvrmnky: you can install whtever you need onto the live environment (for the given session)
20:20<devil>problem is rebooting into the kernel (unless you use 4.x)
20:20<clvrmnky>Note that I don't have a .deb. I have s package from a vendor. But yeah, I know it'll just work in the installer. Then I have to do it in the real installed system again.
20:21<clvrmnky>As long as I have a kernel dev env in both contexts it works.
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20:23<clvrmnky>I've got one of those mobos with realtek ethernet that no linux works with -- once the devices are brought up they immediately go down and can't be brought up again. If I use the vendor supplied drivers they stay up.
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20:24<clvrmnky>Between that and the buggy BIOS this is a Windows only system. And no DVD, so I'm limited to a USB key.
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20:26<clvrmnky>I'll try the live CD tonight, then.
20:26<clvrmnky>I'm torrenting it like a good neighbbour even if things don't work out.
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20:30<crepple>centrx - just got results - there are bad sectors - 35 - suppose it must be that then - sometimes I wish I understood file systems - I did try once, but it's beyond me
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21:04<clvrmnky>Ok, well, this mobo is Ubuntu and Windows only, it looks like. Debian goes to a black screen.
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21:41<clvrmnky>Blarg. "standard+non-free" live image doesn't have "make". Well, that didn't work.
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21:52<rommy>hey, i just had a simple question. If I were to compile/install libressl would I be correct in thinking that it wouldn't actually even affect the packages?
21:54<quane>IIRC compiling is a bad idea since the package manager won't handle upgrades for you.
21:55<rommy>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754513 this makes it sound like it wouldn't even work.. I think I'd also have to find a way to make the package managment system not uninstall everything that has an openssl dependency while i was at it lol
21:56<rommy>I'm mostly interested in trying it but if it worked I would not object to only updating by a new make-install.
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21:58<rommy>Well, it kind of is. Because those versioned symbols in openssl come
21:58<rommy>from a debian patch, afaict. So while debian may be fine (as long as all
21:58<rommy>build-rdeps have been rebuilt since openssl got those versioned
21:58<rommy>symbols), other distros aren't covered, as well as binaries not
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21:58<rommy>so i guess that last update answeers my question. even if I did build it it wouldn't be used unless i built the programs on my system
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22:09<brentaarnold>Any Guake users present?
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22:10<duckey>So I just installed Debian 7.8.0 and my mouse keeps flashing and is very annoying. How can I fix?
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22:13<duckey>reboot time
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22:36<jathan>Saludos
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23:39<rjsalts>anyone awesome with preseed files, https://gist.github.com/rjsalts/87dbebfb6bd32a7b041c is what I have, with the intent of creating a VG group with a 1gig to 10gig root partition and a swap partition but leaving the rest of the VG unallocated
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23:40<rjsalts>but I end up with the root partition filling up the whole disk
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23:43<rjsalts>is the boot-root expert recipe wrong, or am I not invoking it properly?
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