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00:25<pi_user_84>greetings
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00:37<ryouma>firefox has enormous market share. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/01/new-drm-boss-same-old-boss is definitively the wrong decision.
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00:43<ryouma>in iceweasel 31.5.0, keyboard input goes to the wrong window. is this a firefox bug or a fluxbox bug?
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00:49<twb>ryouma: test it with a different WM, or no WM at all
00:50<twb>I have separate foci for keyboard and mouse, and last time I looked clicking in a firefox window would cause it to hijack keyboard focus
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00:50<ryouma><AmonRudh> icecat https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ -- this is a useful link for why it seems like it would be great if debian packaged it
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00:53<twb>ryouma: if you want something packaged, file an RFP bug
00:55<twb>Or in this case "bts subscribe 637348" since it already exists.
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02:08<duckey>How can I rename my Unix user?
02:09<ryouma>duckey: you could just change the relevant files and dir, but it might be best to use debian's script to create the new user and then move the old contents to the new one
02:09<ixi>man usermod
02:09<duckey>oh
02:09<twb>ixi: good answer; better than I thought of
02:10<duckey>I was just using usermod
02:10<ryouma>huh, -l
02:10<duckey>yeah
02:10<twb>And then check for stuff like their crontab in /var/spool :-/
02:10<duckey>So can I change the full name as well?
02:10<twb>I had a user change their login last month and there were a few annoying places like the sudo LDAP objects
02:11<twb>duckey: they can even do that themselves -- chfn
02:11<duckey>thanks
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03:04<blackstarek>twb: well , I dont have access to sudo or terminal but I can still run some shell_exec commands with but that will be the user where the php script runs on .. can I somehow restore it with common user ? This si what ssh outputs me now: http://paste.debian.net/161471/
03:05<twb>blackstarek: I don't know, sorry.
03:05<blackstarek>damn :/
03:05<twb>Since it's PHP, you can probably find a vulnerability to exploit to get root :P
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03:05<blackstarek>it's 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel :D but i seem unable to run any exploit there :D
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03:08<twb>blackstarek: you only need to find a privesc vuln in any program that is setuid or runs as root
03:08<twb>I was being glib; it's probably better to call your provider or whatever and get them to fix it
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03:09<blackstarek>there is no setuid and not many progams rone as root there :D btw I found what i screwed up , I modified permissions on tha files in /etc/ssh
03:09<blackstarek>So that's the key I guess
03:11<twb>yeah, don't do that :P
03:12<blackstarek>damn that :D Im so dumb
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04:09<freekfake>WHERE ARE MY GUNS
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04:30<scratchii>aptitude search dpkg
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04:30<scratchii>add missing files and aptitude update
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04:33<ray_1>hello
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04:47<scratchii>yes it works
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04:48<scratchii>what works better than kde and gnome?
04:48<jm_>try it and see
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04:49<scratchii>i haven't found another choice
04:49<scratchii>most os are gnome or kde based desktop gui
04:49<scratchii>where's the third option
04:50<jm_>!desktop environments
04:50<dpkg>Desktop environments available for installation on Debian systems include <GNOME>, <KDE>, <XFCE> and <LXDE>. See also <window manager>.
04:50<scratchii>ok i forgot about xfce, that's a stable one
04:51<SynrGy>and cinnamon and mate
04:51<SynrGy>well, mate is in backports. dunno about cinnamon
04:51<scratchii>i've heard cinnamon and mint in general is very stable
04:51<SynrGy>not talking about cinnamon in mint, though.
04:51<SynrGy>,v cinnamon
04:52<scratchii>i'm running backbox with latest buntu kernel, but want more stability with similar features
04:52<judd>Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 2.2.16-5; jessie: 2.2.16-5; experimental: 2.4.6-1
04:52<scratchii>i'm thinkin kali since backtrack is gone
04:52<SynrGy>,v mate-desktop
04:52<judd>Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-2; experimental: 1.8.2+dfsg1-1
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04:52<SynrGy>scratchii: well, we don't support kali
04:52<SynrGy>!kali
04:52<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
04:53<SynrGy>why not consider debian?
04:53<scratchii>is there a similar distro you do support
04:53<SynrGy>yes, debian
04:53<scratchii>that has pre-packaged pen test software
04:53<SynrGy>did you check what channel you're on?
04:53<scratchii>yes i'm very pro debian
04:54<scratchii>i'm trying to get rid of ubuntu and switch to deb based only
04:54<scratchii>just haven't found a pen test debian os
04:54<SynrGy>debian is not debian-based. debian is debian. and that's what we support.
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04:55<scratchii>well my mistake i should say a debian system
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04:55<scratchii>i'm def switching
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04:55<scratchii>thanks for the assistance
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04:58<scratchii>any input on the most stable debian os for a notebook
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05:03<SynrGy>maybe you misunderstood. that's offtopic for this channel. if you want to give debian a try, we can help with that, though.
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05:04<scratchii>ok was just asking about stable debian os for laptop
05:04<scratchii>thanks
05:05<SynrGy>"it depends" (on what you mean by "stable" and which notebook)
05:05<SynrGy>!stable
05:05<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.8); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
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05:12<apessoa>hi guys
05:13<apessoa>I'm trying to figure out how my monitor gets automatically connected and configured whenever I plug it
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05:14<apessoa>I read about a udev file named 95-monitor-hotplug.rules
05:14<apessoa>but I have no such file
05:14<apessoa>I checked the rules directories and found nothing seemingly related with display configs
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05:15<apessoa>can anyone point me in the right direction
05:15<apessoa>thank!
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05:26<SynrGy>apessoa: maybe you can tell us what end-user problem you're trying to solve instead.
05:26<SynrGy>you may be too close to the problem ...
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05:29<SynrGy>apessoa: my understanding is that when a monitor is plugged in, Xorg reads the EDID info and selects a mode accordingly, likely the RandR extension is involved.
05:29<SynrGy>s/,/;/
05:29<SynrGy>i doubt if udev is involved
05:30<SynrGy>and ... i gotta go. got to get some work done. later and good luck.
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07:08<apessoa>SynrGy, sorry, my chat client didn't notify me of your response! :\
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07:11<apessoa>well, regarding the "end-user problem", i'm trying to automatically configure my external display correctly when it plugs
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07:11<apessoa>cause currently, it gets placed to the right of my laptop, and i want it to the left :)
07:12<apessoa>but , besides that, i would like to learn a bit more about how this things work in general
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07:12<pitu2600>can anyone help msgb(xxxxxxx): Not enough headroom msgb_push
07:13<SynrG>apessoa: that's a matter of defining a layout. what desktop do you use? most have a way to do that
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07:14<SynrG>or you could install and use arandr, and use the directives that generates in your WM startup
07:15<SynrG>ah, hmm, but that doesn't address "when plugged in"
07:16<SynrG>well, if you're not using a DE, I don't know what your options are for automatic configuraiton
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07:19<apessoa>i'm using mate
07:20<apessoa>maybe i should ask the guys on their chat room, right?
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07:20<SynrG>possibly, yes.
07:21<SynrG>dealing with your monitor layout is a function of the desktop, not of some lower level as you had imagined.
07:21<apessoa>ok SynrG, thanks, I'll do that
07:21<SynrG>good luck
07:22<SynrG>since it's gnome2-based, maybe they still use grandr for that
07:22<SynrG>,v grandr
07:22<judd>Package: grandr on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1+git20080326-1
07:22<SynrG>huh. not since squeeze ...
07:22<apessoa>but what I most want to know is what triggers the call to grandr
07:22<SynrG>oh well, something else, then. i can't guess
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07:22<SynrG>Xorg has extensions to deal with EDID and RandR
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07:24<SynrG>so i imagine the desktop just responds to whatever X event is associated with the hardware being plugged in
07:24<SynrG>it's likely not grandr. it has been removed. and besides which, that's just a client
07:24<SynrG>it's probably some settings daemon running in the background
07:24<SynrG>mate will, of course, need some sort of front-end to handle the user configuration as well
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07:25<SynrG>as for a low level description of what's going on, either consulting API doc or the source should reveal that
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07:40<apessoa>thanks again
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07:40<apessoa>i'll see if the mate channel can help me
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08:02<mos>Hello guys, I need some help, I can't remove one package, it always shown as error...
08:03<mos>Removing sogoupinyin ...
08:03<mos>/var/lib/dpkg/info/sogoupinyin.postrm: 7: local: OS": bad variable name
08:03<mos>dpkg: error processing sogoupinyin (--remove):
08:03<mos> subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2
08:03<mos>No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already
08:03-!-mos was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
08:03<dpkg>mos: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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08:03<mos>Guys?
08:04<mos>how to remove those things : /var/lib/dpkg/info/sogoupinyin.postrm: 7: local: OS": bad variable name
08:04<mos>dpkg: error processing sogoupinyin (--remove):
08:04<dpkg>mos: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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08:04<mos>sorry?
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08:04<mos>here look : Errors were encountered while processing:
08:04<mos> sogoupinyin
08:04<mos>Error in function:
08:05<jm_>stop pasting already and read what you see on screen
08:05<jm_>and package named "sogoupinyin" is not in debian
08:05<jm_>so we don't support that here
08:05<mos>and how to delete it?
08:05<mos>but it has already installed
08:06<jm_>it doesn't matter, you'll have to fix its postrm script, but for details about what to do ask whoever supports this package
08:06<mos>...
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09:02<dshad>my debian uses 99% of 10G partition (/home exists on another partition)
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09:03<dshad>is there a way to find what i should do to free place?
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09:04<centrx>dshad, You can use du |sort -g to find the biggest directories under the current directory
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09:07<dshad>centrx: i know about du command
09:08<dshad>centrx: but i cant just rm -fR /usr/lib for example to free place
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09:08<centrx>dshad, okay, for packages, look at deborphan to find installed libraries/packages that aren't necessary. Be careful, make sure you don't uninstall something you use
09:09<centrx>dshad, There is also 'cruft' which identifies files that are not owned by packages
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09:11<dshad>centrx: i will try, thx
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09:48<TeslasMHD>o.O
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09:56<zachary>O.o
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09:59<cmd88>hi
10:00<cmd88>i use vcl player to watch the movies but no work
10:00<cmd88>i need to a jack wood
10:00<cmd88>you have help?
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10:00<centrx>How does it not work?
10:01<centrx>Did anything happen before it stopped working that might have caused it to stop working?
10:01<centrx>What is jack wood?
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10:01<cmd88>i no see the penis go in
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10:01<cmd88>you like penis?
10:01<petn-randall>!ops cmd88
10:01<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: cmd88
10:02-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
10:02-!-cmd88 was kicked from #debian by abrotman [you should know better]
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11:47<shirish>can anybody share what is the output of "date -u +%V$(uname)|sha256sum|sed 's/\W//g" in bash
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11:52<Szeraax>shirish, " -"
11:52<Szeraax>Oops, captical w killed me.
11:53<shirish>Szeraax: what is the output ? " -" ?
11:53<Szeraax>953887fa12503ca6ecfe36d2b8d248ea31fcfacd8db1942055692f097cddd4bc
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11:53<shirish>Szeraax: what the hell is that ?
11:53<Szeraax>the sha256sum?
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11:54<Szeraax>did you not mean to pipe your command through sha256sum?
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11:57<shirish>Szeraax: nope, I am trying to register at https://bbs.archlinux.org/register.php?action=register
11:57<shirish>for some of the things and they have it there as a anti-bot measure
11:57<shirish>I am using zsh and here it doesn't understand the output at all.
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11:58<Szeraax>Oh, paste this:
11:58<Szeraax>a114e11267c9a4f5cae4223c8ba5a5b6ffbf3d9c2c7f08736946618924f3484d
11:58<Szeraax>Sorry! now it all makes sense
11:58<shirish>Szeraax: ah thanx, so it tries to know the sha1sum of what, of some file ?
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12:00<Szeraax>no
12:00<Szeraax>based from date command. %V is asking for the current week number
12:00<Szeraax>(12)
12:01<Szeraax>and $(uname) is asking what are you running
12:01<Szeraax>(my machine is running the linux kernel
12:01<Szeraax>so the date command returned 12Linux
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12:02<Szeraax>this text is what was piped to sha1sum.
12:02<Szeraax>and then the sed to just select the word part of the output.
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12:03<Szeraax>Their antispam thing probably generates each week automatically and checks the sum for several kernels. that's cool, shirish! Thanks for showing me a new anti-spam seignup filter
12:04<shirish>Szeraax: thank you for sharing what that code was about. Now trying to understand why zsh gave up on that .
12:04<Szeraax>try different things
12:04<Szeraax>uname
12:04<Szeraax>what output does that give you?
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12:05<shirish>Szeraax: uname is good it gives the output as linux
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12:05<Szeraax>ok, next try date -u +%V
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12:05<Szeraax>does that give you output of 12
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12:05<shirish>Szeraax: yes, the output is 12.
12:06<Szeraax>Ok, so that stuff works fine. Next is to test sha256sum. Try: echo "12Linux" | sha256sum
12:07<Szeraax>does that give you a big thing starting with "a114..... -"
12:07<shirish>ah yes, that generates the output, yes the sha256sum is generated.
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12:07<Szeraax>Ok. So if zsh isn't working, it must be because of sed
12:07<shirish>Szeraax: so instead of using sed, would the same have worked using grep ?
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12:08<Szeraax>so do it again with to make sure it is breaking when you do sed: echo "12Linux" | sha256sum | sed 's/\W//g'
12:08<Szeraax>Should be the same a114 just without the " -" at the end
12:08<Szeraax>grep is for finding lines
12:08<Szeraax>not breaking them apart
12:09<Szeraax>You could do it with cut or awk
12:09<shirish>[$] echo "12Linux" | sha256sum | sed's \W//g'
12:09<shirish>zsh: no such file or directory: seds \W//g
12:09<Szeraax>that's wrong, the ' is in the wrong place
12:10<shirish>Szeraax: which ' ?
12:10<Szeraax>should be sed{space}'s\W\\g'
12:10<Szeraax>NOT sed's{space}\w
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12:10<Szeraax>And it is missing a /
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12:11<shirish>hmm.. get the following then.
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12:11<shirish> echo "12Linux" | sha256sum | sed 's /\W//g'
12:11<shirish>sed: -e expression #1, char 8: unterminated `s' command
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12:11<Szeraax>get rid of that 2nd space
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12:13<shirish>Szeraax: ok, but which second space ?
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12:13<Szeraax>echo "12Linux" | sha256sum | sed{space}'s/\W//g'
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12:14<Szeraax>You had echo "12Linux" | sha256sum | sed{space}'s{space}/\W//g'
12:14<Szeraax>That's wrong.
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12:16<shirish>right that worked, curious why it didn't work when I had copied it from there.
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12:16<Szeraax>probably from how zsh copies the text
12:16<Szeraax>OR
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12:16<Szeraax>you accidently got the single quote and the double quote
12:16<Szeraax>they diudn't want to get the double quotes
12:16<Szeraax>i bet that
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12:25<shirish>Szeraax: nope, actually this is the output that happens when I try it :-
12:25<shirish>[$] date -u +%V$(uname)|sha256sum|sed 's/\W//g [21:53:07]
12:25<shirish> >
12:25<shirish>please ignore the time-stamp :)
12:25<Szeraax>That's missing the final single quote
12:26<shirish>right, that fixed it, so as before the user is responsible :P
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12:26<Szeraax>Yup
12:26<Szeraax>its hard to see
12:27<Szeraax>and it looks like there are 3 STUPIDLY SMALL quotes there
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12:27<Szeraax>and who is supposed to know how many to grab? lol
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12:37<shirish>Szeraax: thank you :)
12:37<Szeraax>No problem
12:37<shirish>bbiam, trying out something else.
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12:44<stegbth>hello
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13:04<shirish>Szeraax: around?
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13:04<Szeraax>Always'
13:04<Szeraax>What up[
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13:04<Szeraax>(i'm not very linux smart, so I may or may not being useful)
13:05<shirish>know systemctl ?
13:05<Szeraax>Heard of it
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13:05<Szeraax>don't recall touching it in recent memory
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13:07<shirish>trying to disable xfce4-notify service, any pointers ?
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13:08<mtn>shirish: if it is controlled by systemd, the command would be: systemctl disable xfce4-notify
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13:09<shirish>mtn: thanx is there a way to know if its running ?
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13:09<mtn>shirish: I think it is systemctl status
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13:09<mtn>shirish: man systemctl wouldn't hurt either
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13:10<mtn>shirish: if you really want to learn about systemd, read the arch wiki about it
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13:13<hotwings>i just installed debian testing and afaics its now using systemd to boot. /dev/dvb isnt being created when i load my dvb drivers and i was told systemd may be the problem. is there a way i can boot the box `the usual way` as it was before systemd came into the picture?
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13:19<petn-randall>hotwings: You can install sysvinit, and then just pick that in grub when you boot.
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13:24<hotwings>i dont have a keyboard on the pc, can i set it in grub.cfg somewhere instead?
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13:25<petn-randall>hotwings: You could change the one to boot in /etc/default/grub, check GRUB_DEFAULT.
13:25<hotwings>will do, thanks
13:26<petn-randall>hotwings: You probably want to set it to 1, you'll have to double-check in /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
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13:26<hotwings>i dont mean which kernel
13:28<petn-randall>hotwings: I never said kernel. If you install sysvinit next to systemd, the package will automatically generate an alternate menu entry in grub.
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13:29<shirish>umm... does anybody why either virtualdub or avidemux are not in Debian repos ?
13:29<hotwings>that didnt happen
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13:29<shirish>either nobody packaged them or some licensing/patenting issues something ?
13:30<hotwings>my /boot/grub/grub.cfg wasnt changed. installing sysvinit didnt run update-grub either
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13:30<towo`>shirish, avidemux is in deb-multimedia
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13:30<shirish>towo`: but why isn't it in debian-main ?
13:30<mtn>!dmo
13:30<dpkg>deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
13:31<shirish>mtn: got it was trawling through https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=203211
13:31<towo`>virtualdub is a windows program, so why should it exist in debian?
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13:35<shirish>towo`: umm... sorry thought there was a unix version of that as well.
13:35<hotwings>i just purged systemd after installing sysv*.. update-grub.. rebooted.. udev still isnt creating /dev/dvb though.. sigh
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13:44<petn-randall>hotwings: Would help looking into the problem then :)
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13:45<petn-randall>hotwings: Are you sure current kernels create that device? Could be that you're relying on obsolete data.
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13:47<peter1138>i've got /dev/dvb/adapterX/*
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13:53<hotwings>petn-randall - its created fine on my other 3.19.1 boxes
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13:54<hotwings>the only difference is that this new install uses systemd. tossing that out for sysv didnt seem to solve the problem however.. udev is the same version on the new broken box and the ones that work
13:54<peter1138>missing firmware?
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13:54<hotwings>theres no external firmware to load
13:54<hotwings>dmesg only gives: [ 832.686827] usbcore: registered new interface driver dvb_usb_gp8psk
13:55<petn-randall>hotwings: Are those boxes also running jessie?
13:55<hotwings>yup
13:55<hotwings>they all run debian testing, 32bit, all with current packages, all with nearly identical hardware
13:56<hotwings>the working boxes dont have anything special in /etc/udev/rules.d either, already checked for that
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14:34<Stanli>Hello.
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14:36<Stanli>I built my favorite soundfont into a package and I'd like to push it into the repository, where do I start?
14:36<ukleinek>keithp: are you aware of git://prometheus.amsuess.com/calypso-patches?
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15:39<keithp>ukleinek: yes, just haven't had time to play with calypso for a while
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15:39<ukleinek>keithp: ok, just wondered about http://www.enricozini.org/2014/calypso-davdroid/
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16:35<canaima>hola
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17:46<PaulePanter>Hi. `DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt" debuild -b -us -uc` should build libhunspell-1.3-0 with `-O0` instead of `-O2`, right?
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17:47<PaulePanter>In the output of the build process I see -O2 though.
17:47<PaulePanter>libtool: compile: i586-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -fvisibility=hidden -DBUILDING_LIBHUNSPELL -g -O2 -MT csutil.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/csutil.Tpo -c csutil.cxx -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/csutil.o
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17:47<ukleinek>PaulePanter: i think this is not a must in policy
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17:47<PaulePanter>ukleinek: debian/rules has that check though.
17:48<ukleinek>more something like: If building without optimisation is available, you should be able to enable it with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt"
17:48<PaulePanter>ukleinek: http://sources.debian.net/src/hunspell/1.3.3-3/debian/rules/#L23
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17:48<ukleinek>PaulePanter: CXXFLAGS isn't modified though
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17:48<PaulePanter>Right, it’s not.
17:49<PaulePanter>ukleinek: Thanks.
17:49<ukleinek>wishlist bug I'd say
17:49<PaulePanter>Indeed.
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17:53<S-ed>Greetings
17:55<retrospectacus>S-ed: hi
17:55<S-ed>can someon explain me how debirf works?
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17:55<S-ed>google few hours and found only particular solutions
17:56<S-ed>*ed
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17:58<S-ed>want to install(build?) a distro that will loads from usb and runs from ram (amdx64 microserver)
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17:59<awal>How to know if X pack is installed by apt or aptitude?
18:00<awal>I mean if I used apt or aptitude for install X pack
18:01<mtn>awal: I don't think you can know or that it matters
18:01<ukleinek>check /var/log/aptitude
18:02<awal>mtn: sometimes it matters: aptitude --purge-unused want remove all packs installe dby apt
18:03<mtn>awal: apt installs everyting, using either aptitude or apt-get.
18:04<S-ed>apt != apt-get
18:05<S-ed>apt also managing conflicts, caches etc
18:05<S-ed>well, afaik
18:05<Kjetil>strcmp("apt","apt-get") != 0
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18:09<awal>I usually use apt for install. I never understood why all is fine running apt-get -f install and autoremove. aptitude -f install / --purge-unused want to remove half of my system
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18:11<awal>I remove X pack but apt won't remove some recommends, aptitude removes them. sometimes I'm just lost..
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18:13<awal>that's why I thought that maybe I should use aptitude for remove packs installed by aptitude, and apt for the one installed by apt
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18:58<Guest567>Hello?
18:58<Guest567>I am just testing this out to see how it works
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18:59<Guest567>See you guys later
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19:23<ahmed>hi
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19:30<jack>Having a problem with Kazam freezing on Linux Mint 17.0 AMD 64...any suggestions? Thanks.
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19:32<jack>How do I authenticate myself?
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19:34<awal>!linuxmint
19:34<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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19:39<pangolinrollin>jack "/msg nickserv register
19:39<pangolinrollin>"
19:39<pangolinrollin>or just auth?
19:39<pangolinrollin>"/msg nickserv identify password"
19:40<pangolinrollin>please do in status chan so if you mess up your password isn't here
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20:45<Thinthread>Looking for options for a compleate rebootless solution for a debian-box i plan to use as a webserver, including kernel updates. Have heard of ksplice but that dosn't seem like an option now when Oracle have made it's own thing of it, any ideas?
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20:53<srbaker>heya folks. i'm quite rusty
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20:53<srbaker>i just plugged in a USB HDD
20:53<srbaker>and it's root owned. how to i get it owned by the user logged in?
20:53<srbaker>it's an ext4 2TB usb disk. it mounts under /media/<username>/<lable>
20:53<srbaker>but it's owned root.root, so i can't edit i
20:53<srbaker>t
20:56<musca>is the user member of the group plugdev?
20:57<srbaker>yep
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20:57<musca>did the directory /media/<username>/<lable> exist (with wrong permissions) before you plugged in the drive?
20:58<srbaker>hrm
20:58<srbaker>just unplugged it
20:58<themill>The filesystem itself still has permissions
20:58<srbaker>/media/srbaker is empty
20:58<srbaker>but /media/srbaker exists, and is owned root.root
20:59<srbaker>also /media/usb0, /media/usb1, /media/usb -> usb0
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21:01<srbaker>those dirs shouldn't exist when the drive's not plugged in, should they?
21:02<musca>i think those mountpoints belong to the usbmount tool (my desktop doesn't need usbmount)
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21:03<srbaker>removed them all. unplugged, replugged the drive
21:03<srbaker>gnome3 notification gave methe "open with files" option, so i clicked it
21:03<srbaker>same thing
21:03<srbaker>sigh
21:04<ginger_cookie>why not just "sudo chmod" on the directory
21:05<srbaker>i'd like to understand why it's not having expected behaviour before i do that.
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21:07<themill>I think this is the expected behaviour. ext4 has permissions and owners, it's not like vfat
21:07<srbaker>yeah. on my other machine with ubuntu, it did what i thought it might. ah well
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21:07<srbaker>good now.
21:08<ginger_cookie>did you find anything out?
21:08<Finetundra>how do I add sudo users without editing visudo
21:08<srbaker>Finetundra: addser user sudo
21:08<srbaker>if you have the sudo group enabled in /etc/sudoers
21:08<srbaker>which i think is enabled by default
21:09<themill>it is, yes
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21:44<SM1L3>hi
21:44<SM1L3>hi
21:44<SM1L3>hi
21:44<SM1L3>hi
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21:50<cmd88>hi
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21:50<cmd88>i take out man part on webcam but person no see in ubuntu
21:50<cmd88>i need debian now
21:51<cmd88>i take it out and he take it out on camera too
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22:05<Guest572>Is it safe to install something like an icon pack that was originally meant for *buntu distros
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22:27<pc-moon>hello, wish all doing fine ,i have problem after boot with linux when try to see loading logo after select live from the list didt see the loading , i think my problem with define of the vga card , my card is geforce
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23:43<master__>The debian docs refer a great deal to midnight commander-- my i386 netinstall result did not come with MC-- does this mean stuff got missed?
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