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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-03-20

---Logopened Fri Mar 20 00:00:05 2015
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00:30<muhammad>Hello guys! I'm new in backbox. Anyone can help me to change the font?
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02:45<Guest369>suppose i've run this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d9a035e42539c35bda98 to set up a network name space called veth2n2n0, and now i run "ip netsh exec veth2n20 ping -I veth2n2n2 192.168.2.2" why is it that i don't get any icmp echo replies?
02:46<Guest369>erh, typo
02:46<Guest369>s/veth2n20/veth2n2n0
02:46<Guest369>and s/netsh/netns
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02:49<Guest369>and device/link list is here: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/44d8b239c8bd2a88ee7e
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03:11<Guest369>never mind that. i forgot thet get the device up our the host side.
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03:12<Guest369>however, suppose i have a chroot with network namespace set up, should i still have to mount /dev and /proc?
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04:20<olinuxx-2>!ardour
04:20<dpkg>Ardour is a digital audio workstation suitable for real-time multi-track recording, mixing and editing. http://ardour.org/realfaq http://ardour.org/ #ardour at irc.freenode.net.
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06:02<Guest369>why the heck installing openssh on wheezy will pull in stuffs like libx11 and libxdmcp...
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06:06<jm_>because it recommends xauth
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06:07<Guest369>i don't plan to have x11 forward at all though
06:07<jm_>try disabling installation of recommends then
06:08<Guest369>righto. thanks, jm_
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06:08<jm_>I think dpkg knows about it -- /msg dpkg recommends - but it's updating the DB now after I asked so it will take a while until it can respond
06:09<jm_>!apt recommends
06:09<dpkg>Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
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11:38<petn-randall>welcome to #debian, maZer`-
11:38<maZer`->thanks :D
11:39<maZer`->i got a bad problem with my gnome. if i login into gnome he just give me a failsave xterm :(
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11:41<maZer`->if i run Xorg -configure i get this : Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices.
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12:49<catern>If I want to install Debian Jessie, but my hardware needs firmware blobs for network, where could I get an appropriate image to install it with?
12:50<catern>Or what in general should I do? I don't see any installers-with-firmware for Jessie around
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12:50<valdyn>catern: install wheezy, from cd1
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12:52<catern>valdyn: really? I'm skeptical about that
12:52<valdyn>catern: why?
12:52<catern>won't upgrading from wheezy will leave some wheezy-cruft on my system?
12:53<valdyn>catern: not really
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12:53<catern>actually, I know for sure one example :)
12:53<valdyn>catern: which is?
12:54<catern>the systemd migration, upgrading to jessie from wheezy will leave a "boot with sysvinit" option, but installing jessie alone won't create that
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12:54<valdyn>catern: so? is that a big deal?
12:54<catern>not necessarily
12:54<catern>but I feel fairly confident that there are other examples
12:54<valdyn>catern: migrating to systemd is not exactly difficult
12:55<valdyn>catern: its possible to keep packages that are no longer the default in jessie
12:55<catern>and overall, I would rather install Jessie clean instead of have a legacy-ridden upgraded-from-Wheezy Jessie
12:55<valdyn>catern: but that is all
12:55<catern>valdyn: the systemd migration isn't a problem :) maybe I wasn't clear, I don't *want* the boot with sysvinit option
12:55<valdyn>catern: i can understand that, but youre just making it up, theres no such thing
12:55<valdyn>catern: you always have that option in debian
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12:56<catern>valdyn: what? I just mentioned one thing that is "legacy" in an upgraded-from-Wheezy Jessie
12:56<catern>anyway
12:56<valdyn>catern: youre just making it up that this is a problem, you can just install systemd
12:56<catern>:/
12:56<valdyn>catern: but you always have the option to use the old init, no matter how you install
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12:57<catern>i'm fairly sure that isn't true
12:57<catern>i mean
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12:57<catern>oh! maybe I wasn't clear
12:57<catern>I'm saying that upgrading to Jessie from Wheezy will create a grub entry
12:57<catern>that is "boot with sysvinit"
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12:58<catern>which is not created when just installing Jessie
12:58<catern>sorry for confusion :)
12:58<valdyn>catern: i dont know about that entry, but that entry has to be gone after you removed init
12:58<valdyn>catern: because it certainly wont work then
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13:00<valdyn>catern: anyway, assuming youre only sensible option was using a jessie system that is not upgraded. As far as i know then your only choice is to install into a chroot from a running system, be that wheezy or grml or whatever
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13:01<catern>uh
13:01<catern>I am fairly sure I have other choices
13:01<valdyn>catern: the tool to do that is "debootstrap"
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13:01<catern>for example, I could add the needed firmware package to the CD image
13:02<valdyn>catern: yea
13:02<valdyn>catern: i forgot about that
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13:03<Serialbox>could you put the firmware package onto usb media?
13:03<valdyn>yes of course
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13:07<blast007>catern: I don't know which version of the 'testing installer' is recommended at this point (someone had mentioned that it's fairly stable at this point), but there does appear to be ones built that have the firmware included
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13:07<catern>yeah, actually, I just saw that
13:08<catern>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
13:08<catern>guess I just missed this last time
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13:10<catern>so I'm just going with that
13:11<catern>oh, I remember, I think before I was looking for a live CD with firmware
13:11<catern>(which may or may not exist, but I don't need it now)
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14:22<inspired>We build packages, and have an internal repo. One of our packages has gotten "stuck" so that it always calls for upgrade. apt-cache policy shows it as "*** 30+2.1.1728+dev 0 / 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status" as well as "500 <repository> Packages"
14:22<inspired>So last time that happened, it seems it was duplicate deps in the control file, but this time, that's not the case...
14:22<inspired>So I'm hoping somebody here has a hint as to what else I should look at... TIA
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14:24<inspired>We're running wheezy, in case that helps...
14:24<centrx>This is a custom package?
14:25<inspired>centrx: Yes.
14:25<inspired>centrx: It's how we manage versions of released code and deps.
14:25<centrx>and this happens on all client machines that have the package installed?
14:25<inspired>centrx: Yes.
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14:26<inspired>centrx: Good questions, yeah. I am fairly sure it's something we screwed up in the package control.
14:26<centrx>Yeah I don't know
14:26<inspired>centrx: We do cite some deps that are not strictly necessary, as in, covered by other deps. My next tactic is going to be to audit all that.
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14:27<inspired>centrx: Fair 'nuff, thanks for the cycles.
14:27<centrx>Duplicate dependencies made a package want to upgrade repeatedly?
14:27<inspired>centrx: It seemed to be the case before.
14:27<inspired>centrx: We cleaned that up, and the issue abated.
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14:29<centrx>inspired, Try asking in #debian-mentors
14:29<inspired>centrx: At present we have a couple of deps that are all in the same dep tree, (e.g., only the leaf is necessary, the others would be pulled in), and I'm wondering if that's it. Just thought I'd ask here before I start thrashing.
14:29<centrx>inspired, Also, it's rather quiet at the moment, may want to ask again later
14:29<inspired>centrx: Thanks for the #pointer, and the advice to try again when the bar fills up.
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15:22<catern>agggggggggghhhhhhhhh
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15:23<catern>so, I'm in GNOME, and the Wi-Fi is being reported as "Hardware Disabled"
15:24<catern>I'm pretty sure I installed the right firmware
15:24<catern>I have a 01:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 6b)
15:24<inspired>catern: First thing to check is that there isn't a hotkey or physical switch that's been hit/moved wrongly.
15:24<catern>any ideas?
15:25<catern>inspired: oh, good idea
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15:25<catern>inspired: supposing that isn't it, what next to check?
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15:26<blast007>!rfkill
15:26<dpkg>/dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is in the rfkill package. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/rfkill
15:26<Brigo>catern, logs
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15:27<catern>Brigo: which ones?
15:27<catern>this is jessie, btw
15:27<Brigo>catern, did you read about rfkill from dpkg post?
15:27<catern>Brigo: yes?
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15:28<Brigo>did you try rfkill to check your wireless?
15:28<catern>will do so now
15:28<Brigo>rfkill show all , i think
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15:28<Brigo>rfkill list all, i meant :)
15:30<catern>ah
15:30<catern>dang
15:30<catern>er
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15:30<catern>the IP my laptop has gotten appears to be banned from this channel :(
15:30<catern>oh
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15:32<catern>anyone want to unban the IP that the user catern-laptop has?
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15:32<catern>15:31 <catern-laptop> 0: ideapad_wlan: Wireless LAN
15:32<catern>15:31 <catern-laptop> ISoft blocked: no
15:32<catern>15:31 <catern-laptop> IHard blocked: yes
15:32<catern>15:31 <catern-laptop> 1: ideapad_bluetooth: Bluetooth
15:32-!-catern was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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15:33<Brigo>catern, that is the problem then the button is not working.
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15:34<catern>here is a proper paste: http://paste.debian.net/162321/
15:34<catern>so, there's some hardware blocking the wifi from turning on? that's the interpretation of "Hard blocked"?
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15:36<Brigo>catern, yes it is.
15:36<Brigo>it mean software can modify it even kernel itself.
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15:39<catern>hmm... but it seems to work fine in Windows, and also in Fedora
15:40<catern>without anything being toggled
15:40<Brigo>may be that button is really a soft button and it is not supported by debian kernel
15:40<mtn>catern: try: rfkill unblock all
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15:41<catern>mtn: didn't remove the hard block on ideapad_wlan
15:41<Brigo>catern, what kernel are you using?
15:41<catern>default Jessie kernel
15:42<catern>3.16.0-4
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15:42<Brigo>the newest you can get in debian (exept from experimental of course)
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15:44<Brigo>catern, try to google it.
15:45<Brigo>i must go. sorry :/
15:45<jennes>catern: many thinkpads actually have a small hardware switch to turn on or off the wifi device
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15:46<catern>this is a Lenovo ultrabook
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15:47<blast007>got a specific model number?
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15:49<catern>well, the wireless card was installed afterwards
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15:51<blast007>was it one on Lenovo's whitelist for that laptop?
15:51<catern>well, it works in Windows...
15:51<catern>and Fedora
15:51<catern>and also yes
15:52<lostatwork>you must be missing the firmware for it then
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15:52<catern>i thought that was just iwlwifi
15:52<catern>which is definitely installed
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15:53<catern>I mean, firmware-iwlwifi is installed
15:53<catern>is there something else i need?
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15:54<jennes>catern: so which wifi card do you use?
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15:55<blast007>< catern> I have a 01:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 6b)
15:55<jennes>blast007: thanks, I missed that message
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15:56<blast007>catern: does 'lsmod' show a ideapad-laptop module?
15:56<ompaul>for wifi interact with the bot by doing /msg dpkg wifi and then check out your own card - it's the way foward
15:56<ompaul>and it is also the way forward
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15:58<catern>blast007: thank you! yes, that was what it turned out to be
15:58<catern>well, thank everyone :)
15:58<catern>blast007: I blacklisted that and it works now
15:58<blast007>cool
15:59<catern>blast007: do you know if it's okay to blacklist that? maybe it has something useful?
15:59<blast007>that may disable some other hotkeys unfortunately
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15:59<blast007>but I'm not honestly sure what that does
16:00<catern>yeah
16:00<jennes>catern, it seem's your problem is described here: http://billauer.co.il/blog/2014/08/linux-ubuntu-yoga-hardware-blocked-wireless-lan/
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16:05<blast007>catern: and the reason it worked in Fedora is because they've apparently applied a patch to that module in Fedora 19 and 20 that works around the issue
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16:08<catern>jennes: yeah, I saw that https://github.com/pfps/yoga-laptop
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16:36<mgoldsborough>test
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17:01<Kryil->hey :) could someone help me figure out why my sound gets muted below a certain volume? Googling results tons of "entire sound muted" results and it's pretty annoying :/
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18:58<ZIPY>does someone know how to get acestream-engine stream to vlc in debian?
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19:40<bluenemo>Hi guys. I'm looking for a way to uniquely identify a physical or virtual machine. Is there a better way the looking for the HW address of a NIC?
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19:44<SamB_laptop>well, NIC addresses aren't necessarily too unique, especially those for VMs ;-)
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19:52<ryouma>bluenemo: partitions?
19:53<ryouma>blkid
19:53<bluenemo>hm thats a good idea
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20:20<neiljp>any known problems with suspend/resume/hibernate with colord/kernel? how do I find out?
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20:22<silveredabire>BURKINA FASO
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20:23<silveredabire>BURKINA FASO
20:25<silveredabire>FACEBOOK
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20:27<ryouma>i wonder if he knows his microphone is on
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21:02<sigma>tudo ze cu
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21:09<ary>Hi. I need to install fglrx from sid repos. How do I do that without broke the system?
21:09<sun>sorry i am a new one!
21:10<ary>dpkg, How do I install fglrx from sid repository without break the system?
21:10<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ary
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21:11<zlatan>ary, fglrx is broken as hell
21:11<ary>from sid??
21:11<zlatan>!ask sun
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21:12<zlatan>ary, yep and in general - if you don't have really hard requirement on it, you should be happy with open source radeon
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21:13<ary>I want fglrx-legacy-driver from sid
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21:13<ary>that was I want to mean
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21:14<zlatan>ary, yeah, only way you get that in working condition is to go with a shotgun to AMD HQ
21:14<ary>I am experiencing lag problem with Gnome3. Before I reinstall my system, I had no problem in this area.
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21:16<zlatan>ary, just use open source radeon, install nonfree firmwares and add radeon.dpm=1 in grub
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21:45<AlexLikerock>i feel so happy
21:45<AlexLikerock>its back
21:45<AlexLikerock>http://baytorrent.website/
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22:04<ary>zlatan, I did just like you said. But still having lag problems. Mostly when trying to wach 1080p videos on vlc or any other player.
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22:05<ary>anyone?
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22:08<AlexLikerock>mplayer ary
22:08<ary>Hi. I have a radeon HD 3000 integrated on my mother board with 512mb share. I instaled fglrx-legacy-driver like sais on debians wiki page, but I am having some lag problems when I watch videos. How do I fix this?
22:08<AlexLikerock>its bettert mplayer (aka smplayer)
22:09<AlexLikerock>taht vlc
22:09<AlexLikerock>fglrx-legacy-driver <--- i tink not good idea
22:09<ary>AlexLikerock, I will try it. But I have same thing with online movies
22:09<AlexLikerock>try install propietary driver
22:10<ary>AlexLikerock, there is no propretary for my card. HD 3000
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22:11<AlexLikerock>lets see
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22:14<AlexLikerock>yep
22:14<AlexLikerock>https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#AMD_Catalyst_Legacy_13.1
22:14<ary>AlexLikerock, Same lag with mplayer mate. It is a driver problem
22:14<AlexLikerock>Install the appropriate ....... and fglrx-legacy-driver packages:
22:14<AlexLikerock>Install the appropriate linux-headers and fglrx-legacy-driver packages:
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22:15<ary>AlexLikerock, Already dit it mate.
22:15<AlexLikerock>do you have fglrx-legacy-driver ?
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22:15<AlexLikerock>ok
22:15<AlexLikerock>try mplayer
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22:15<ary>Just like this: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and mplayer got same problem.
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22:29<AlexLikerock>ary the problem see its High resolution
22:29<AlexLikerock> maybe you need DROP FRAMES
22:29<AlexLikerock> at smplayer
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22:31<AlexLikerock>options ---> Peformance --> " Allow frame drop" and "Allow hard frame drop "
22:31<AlexLikerock>enabled this 2 options :-)
22:32<AlexLikerock>this can help
22:32<AlexLikerock>remember 1080P it so hi for you video Chip
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22:43<AlexLikerock>ary,
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23:28<DaftMonk33>Needs some help with a debian 8 install and unet unetbootin
23:29<DaftMonk33>Someone msg me. Unetbootin, tryin to install to usb Debian 8 "Jessie" do I want to choose Testing-amd64 or Unstable-amd64 netinst?
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23:31*DaftMonk33 needs some help with his question
23:31<themill>DaftMonk33: (a) don't use unetbootin, it breaks the installer image (b) there's no unstable installer, install jessie.
23:32<DaftMonk33>alright, sounds good. I thought maybe unstable installer is Nightly build? No?
23:33<sney>those are nightly builds of the _installer_, not of debian itself
23:33<themill>!install jessie
23:33<dpkg>Images to install Debian 8 <jessie> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- the RC1 image is probably the best way to install Jessie right now. Also ask me about <jessie security> <jessie release notes>.
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23:38<DaftMonk33>!install jessie
23:38<dpkg>Images to install Debian 8 <jessie> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- the RC1 image is probably the best way to install Jessie right now. Also ask me about <jessie security> <jessie release notes>.
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23:38<DaftMonk33>Thanks
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