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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-03-21

---Logopened Sat Mar 21 00:00:01 2015
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00:47<randy>hey guys
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03:11<hyperreal>hello
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03:29<gump>i'm trying to set up a macro to echo a string of text every time i hit a key combination
03:29<gump>ideally, i want it to automatically populate ssh password prompts
03:30<gump>is there any way to echo a string to the current terminal?
03:30<gump>setting "echo <text>" in .xbindkeysrc doesn't work
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03:43<ondrej_g>gump: parcellite action keys might be what you want
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03:45<ondrej_g>gump: but if your end goal is to remove the hassle of typing ssh passwords, using ssh keys is a lot easier and safer
03:45<gump>i change between networks more than 20 times a day and they all use the same IP scheme
03:46<gump>ssh doesn't like it at all. so I'm still trying to find a way to get rid of ssh keys entirely
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03:46<ondrej_g>gump: mosh
03:46<gump>i don't work for the most secure business, lets just put it that way
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03:46<ondrej_g>gump: the mobile shell (mosh) is what you want
03:47<ondrej_g>it's like ssh with roaming
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03:47<ondrej_g>however, only text mode
03:47<gump>its cool i work on ancient centos 4 servers with no x session
03:48<gump>basically what i do is ssh into multiple servers a day, always at the same LAN ip address. so i have to delete the ssh key every time i connect
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03:48<gump>i don't think mosh will fix that, cause my IP address isn't changing
03:48<ondrej_g>oh, I see
03:49<gump>we store our passwords in plaintext. googling my company, all the top results are about our various breaches over the years
03:49<gump>but it pays the bills
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03:53<ondrej_g>gump: maybe try something like http://linuxcommando.blogspot.cz/2008/10/how-to-disable-ssh-host-key-checking.html
03:54<ondrej_g>gump: But I would use this setting in .ssh/config in a Host 192.168.2.* block or so to make it automatic
03:54<gump>boom. exactly what i needed
03:55<gump>now the only thing left that's not quite working right is every time i ssh into one of said ancient centos servers, it fucks up my terminal font -_-
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03:56<ondrej_g>gump: many possible reasons ... could be missing terminfo, unicode issues ...
03:56<gump>lol its not really an issue
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03:57<gump>when you work with 10 year old servers, you let the small battles go, like accepting nmap 3
03:57<gump>and take the big wins like "it didn't break today"
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07:11<grummund>Hi, could someone help with mounting a NTFS partition please? - http://paste.debian.net/162394/
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07:12<SynrG>your fuse version doesn't match your kernel version?
07:13<SynrG>grummund: debian kernel?
07:14<SynrG>,v fuse
07:14<judd>Package: fuse on i386 -- wheezy: 2.9.0-2+deb7u1; sid: 2.9.3-15+b1; jessie: 2.9.3-15+b1
07:14<SynrG>grummund: uname -a and fuse version.
07:15<grummund>Linux laptop 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1 (2014-12-08) i686 GNU/Linux
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07:18<SynrG>,kernels
07:18<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
07:18<SynrG>looks like an oldish kernel ...
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07:19<grummund>thanks, will try an upgrade
07:19<grummund>how should i check fuse version?
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07:19<SynrG>but according to http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/unstable_changelog there's no fuse-related change since before the kernel you have
07:20<SynrG> * vfs,fuse: Change iov_iter_get_pages() to take both maxsize and maxpages
07:20<SynrG> parameters (Closes: #764285)
07:20<SynrG>that's from 3.16.7-1 which predates yours.
07:20<SynrG>curious that it relates exactly to the same area of code as your error messages, though
07:20<SynrG>might be worth checking that bug#
07:21<SynrG>and yes, i would check fuse version too
07:21<grummund>it's entirely possible that kernel version does not match the installed modules
07:21<SynrG>seems fuse hasn't changed since July 2014
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07:22<SynrG>the userspace component at least
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07:23<SynrG>,v ntfs-3g
07:23<judd>Package: ntfs-3g on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2010.3.6-1; wheezy: 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1; jessie: 1:2014.2.15AR.2-1; sid: 1:2014.2.15AR.3-1
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07:23<SynrG>grummund: what's your ntfs-3g version?
07:24<SynrG>but that hasn't changed since Nov 2014 ...
07:24<grummund>http://paste.debian.net/162395/
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07:28<SynrG>nothing jumps out at me
07:28<SynrG>but i'd definitely update the system before investigating further.
07:28<grummund>it's entirely possible that the kernel is older than the installed modules
07:28<grummund>it boots from usb memory sticks more than one, so these could be out of sync i.e. older kernel
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07:28<SynrG>ah
07:29<SynrG>so the running kernel doesn't actually match the installed kernel
07:29<grummund>maybe
07:29<SynrG>update the kernel on usb
07:29<SynrG>make it match
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07:30*grummund always knew this would be a risk :-/
07:30<SynrG>booting from USB is a workaround for UEFI or something?
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07:30<SynrG>not sure why you are taking that risk ...
07:30<grummund>fully encrypted hdd
07:30<SynrG>might want to script some solution that keeps the USB in sync
07:31<SynrG>kernels have some sort of hooks system that might work for this
07:32<SynrG>see /etc/kernel/
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07:34<grummund>/boot is on the usb stick, which is fine by itself
07:34<SynrG>sure. but the grub conf on usb isn't updated? or what?
07:34<grummund>it is, but
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07:34<grummund>i have duplicate stick in case of losing it
07:35<grummund>so only the stick that is plugged in at time of apt upgrade gets upgraded
07:35<grummund>hence older kernel
07:35<SynrG>ahh
07:35<grummund>very messy
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07:36<SynrG>use some automatic file sync triggered by the usb insertion :)
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07:37<grummund>probably needs dpkg-reconfigure on the kernel or something...
07:37<SynrG>basically, keep a master copy of /boot in your encrypted partition ...
07:37<grummund>for each usb stick
07:37<SynrG>then sync back the updated /boot
07:37<grummund>yep, or that.
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07:39<SynrG>i wonder if this would be a good job for unison
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07:41<SynrG>grummund: alternatively, since automatically screwing over your /boot would be unfun, you could at least detect and report when things go out of sync
07:41<SynrG>then you could manually address it.
07:42<grummund>that would be prefered
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07:43<SynrG>hm. bind-mount USB's /lib/modules on top of the system /lib/modules? i mean, you're already booting an unencrypted kernel ...
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07:43<SynrG>i don't think adding unencrypted modules adds much risk here
07:44<SynrG>at least this way you're 100% in sync
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07:45<SynrG>i guess this would be done in time for the pivot_root in the initramfs or so
07:46<SynrG>so that when the initramfs stage of boot is over, any subsequent modprobes come from the usb
07:46<grummund>what if the usb is subsequently unplugged?
07:46<SynrG>ah. point
07:47<SynrG>or simply have the initramfs run a script to populate its /lib/modules into a temporary dir for that boot
07:47<SynrG>and bind-mount that
07:47<SynrG>this is getting a bit tricky :)
07:48<SynrG>better to just keep the USB keys in sync
07:48*grummund is thinking dpkg-reconfigure
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07:52*SynrG is thinking apt-get install --reinstall
07:52<SynrG>well, maybe not
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07:52*SynrG looks at what the maint scripts actually do ...
07:53<SynrG>ah, scratch that. yes, a reinstall is all that can be done
07:53<SynrG>grummund: list the contents of the kernel. it drops 3 files directly in /boot
07:53<SynrG>a reconfigure won't help here
07:54<SynrG>nothing for it but to sync those files to the USB
07:54<grummund>i see, but install --reinstall would work?
07:54<SynrG>of course, after that, update-grub
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07:54<SynrG>yeah
07:54<SynrG>the reinstall would trigger update-grub too
07:55<grummund>my method so far to create a new key is manual copy of all files then dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
07:55<grummund>but this requires a working key to copy from
07:56<grummund>apt-get install --reinstall seems the way to go
07:56<SynrG>hm, yeah. manually copying the files is better. what if grub itself is updated?
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07:56<SynrG>well, you could apt-get install --reinstall both on grub and the kernel(s)
07:57<SynrG>or automate this by automatically discovering all packages providing files on /boot and iterate over them to apt-get install --reinstall each
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07:58<grummund>after an apt upgrade it could check which packages have touched /boot
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07:59<SynrG>oh! grub itself does not have any files in /boot
07:59<SynrG>i mean, the package
07:59<SynrG>so really, it's just the kernels
07:59<SynrG>dpkg -S '/boot/*' just turns up kernels
07:59<dpkg>Package: '/boot/*' just turns up kernels: Status: install ok installed
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08:01<SynrG>grummund: what about your /boot/devices.map?
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08:01<SynrG>er, /boot/grub
08:02<SynrG>/boot/grub/device.map is generated once by /usr/sbin/grub-mkdevicemap ...
08:03<SynrG>isn't that going to differ per USB key?
08:03<grummund>i guess so
08:03<grummund>apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-686-pae && dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
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08:06<SynrG>grummund: it's unclear to me if that would rerun grub-mkdevicemap. i'm thinking no.
08:07<SynrG>looks like the postinst only does that for upgrades from legacy -> grub-pc
08:08<grummund>so reinstall grub-pc too?
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08:14<ary>Hi. How can i Install Steam on my wheezy?
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08:31<ary>found it
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08:49<ZIPY>does anyone have a working ubuntu 14.04 LTS vm working with guest additions in wheezy?
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10:46<Willem>Hey, I have a problem. I'm trying to upgrade a server from wheezy to jessie, but when I check the packages with aptitude (as the upgrade manual suggests), it wants to install all packages.
10:46<Willem>And with all, I mean literally all.
10:49<Brigo>Willem, that is amazing, can you paste the output, please? :)
10:50<abrotman>Willem: you realize there's no security support for jessie yet?
10:51<Willem>abrotman: yes
10:52<jennes>why don't you try it on the command line: "aptitude -t jessie full-upgrade"?
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10:55<Willem>Brigo: I'm getting the output of aptitude install -f, hang on
10:56<Brigo>Willem, i am just curious, don't bother too much with it.
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10:58<Willem>Brigo: well, it tries to install *all* packages from the repos, and (obviously) has a lot of conflicts
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10:59<Willem>Curious thing is that apt-get install -f doesn't try to install anything at al
10:59<Willem>all*
11:00<abrotman>Willem: show us the output (paste.debian.net) of apt-get dist-upgrade
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11:03<knosys>Guys is it possible and recommended to anyhow switch from jessie distribution, to wheezy distribution, without reinstalling the OS ? I see on google results the reverse way, but not this
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11:03<abrotman>knosys: not really, downgrades may or may not work, but aren't supported .. you can try it
11:04<abrotman>dpkg: tell knosys about partial downgrade
11:04<ThomasKeller>hello, when I download package source using "apt-get source foo"
11:04<ThomasKeller>it not only unpacks the package source automatically
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11:05<ThomasKeller>but it also applies the debian patches
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11:05<ThomasKeller>can I disable the debian patches ?
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11:05<knosys>thanks
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11:06<petn-randall>ThomasKeller: Do you only want to revert the patches in the source, or also build it without the patches?
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11:06<dewp>hellohello :) i installed just for fun debian 7.8 on my ibook g4 and still have issues with the keymap (i used to reconfigure console-data in mintppc to mac-ibook-de and everything worked (3rd level characters), the same key map on "pure" debian does not work
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11:06<ThomasKeller>I would like to build the package without the patches
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11:07<dewp>and the second question: theres a message that gnome is in fallback mode. i like it, it's fast. are there any disadvantages when i keep it? would lxde or xfce be faster?
11:07<Willem>abrotman: http://sprunge.us/UFAW
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11:07<petn-randall>!mintppc
11:07<dpkg>MintPPC (formerly Linux MintPPC) is a Linux distribution for <PowerPC> systems based on <Linux Mint> LXDE and Debian. It is not supported in #debian or #debianppc. http://mintppc.org/ #mintppc on irc.freenode.net.
11:07<abrotman>Willem: did you run apt-get update frist?
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11:08<abrotman>petn-randall: re-read what he said
11:08<Willem>abrotman: yes, but I haven't changed to jessie yet, I want to make sure the system is sane first
11:08<dewp>petn-randall, right now i'm on debian, not on mintppc anymore
11:08<Willem>Which it obviously isn't, because aptitude install -f tries to install everything
11:08<abrotman>Willem: show that, and your sources.list
11:08<petn-randall>dewp: I see. What part of the keymap does not work?
11:09<Brigo>dewp, gnome goes fallback mode when the system lacks 3D acceleration.
11:09<dewp>the third level characters (alt-gr, important for euro and at sign on german keyboard)
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11:09<dewp>mac-ibook-de worked the last times, but not on my current installation
11:09<Brigo>dewp, lxde, xfce, will be faster than gnome.
11:10<dewp>brigo, thanks. i 'm asking because i tried xubuntu first and it was really slow, but maybe misconfigured. i like the idea to build everything from scratch (much easyer now compared to 10ys ago)
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11:13<petn-randall>dewp: The disadvantage from build from scratch is that you have to take care of dependencies, security updates and fixes by yourself. That's mainly what a distribution solves for you.
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11:14<Willem>abrotman: can't really do that, it tries to resolve dependencies, which is gonna take more than a few hours
11:14<jfeliz>!raspbian
11:14<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
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11:15<knosys> /j #debian-offtopic
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11:15<knosys>wth xD
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11:17<Willem>abrotman: but here's the sources.list and sources.list.d: http://sprunge.us/jTWE
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11:19<sney>Willem: try commenting out those third party repos and then try again. third party stuff often doesn't behave properly
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11:20<Willem>sney: Still happening. Good one though, hadn't thought about that yet
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11:25<chips>hi
11:25<knosys>guys , in the Xorg log files, is this a time indicator? 406775.437 , its the first column on each row
11:26<abrotman>knosys: time since boot
11:26<abrotman>Willem: apt-get shouldn't take that long
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11:27<Willem>abrotman: apt-get doesn't do this at all
11:27<knosys>abrotman, ok thanks
11:27<Willem>But aptitude does
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11:29<abrotman>Willem: so apt-get doesn't have an issue, but aptitude does?
11:29<Willem>yup
11:30<abrotman>Willem: so use apt-get?
11:30<Willem>abrotman: but I know other sysadmins are going to use aptitude, so I want to have it working right
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11:30<sney>use apt-get for the update to jessie, if you're doing that... you'll get a new version of aptitude as well and it might fix your aptitude problem
11:30<abrotman>Willem: run aptitude update, show us 'aptitude full-upgrade'
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11:32<Willem>abrotman: http://sprunge.us/aKQP
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11:33<abrotman>Willem: so it seems fine?
11:34<Willem>abrotman: yes, except aptitude doesn't think it's fine
11:34<Willem>But could try sney's suggestion of course
11:34<abrotman>Willem: it just said it was?
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11:35<Willem>abrotman: it's fine when you ask it to full-upgrade, but if you open the curses interface, it says there are conflicts, and it takes ages to resolve dependencies for it
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11:35<dewp>petn-randall, thanks for the info. I'm fine with that (i like it to tinker around from time to time - but i'm happy that everything is so well documentated and i dont need to re-invent the wheel because there's always somebody who had my problem before :)
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11:36<ZIPY>hey, im running wheezy. Does someone know why i cant change resolution for ubuntu 14.04.2 with guest additions in virtualbox?
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11:36<dewp>i'm just annoyed by my keymap issue. dpkg-reconfigure console-data worked fine in my test-installations before. is there a way to check if the changes are really written somewhere?
11:36<abrotman>Willem: so don't do that? :)
11:37<abrotman>ZIPY: you would ask the ubuntu people ,not us
11:37<Willem>abrotman: fair enough. But it's still weird.
11:37<knosys>Is possible to add time units to the output of this? who -b | cut -d' ' -f13 (adding a value, somehow)
11:37<ZIPY>abrotman: hm but i think it has to do sth with the guest additions that comes with virtualbox on debian
11:38<knosys>adding secconds I think is what i need
11:38<ZIPY>the iso file
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11:38<DrJuano>I'm having a problem: when I suspend my Debian laptop, the screen remains black and I have to shutdown by pressing the power button. Any ideas?
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11:39<TeslasMHD>o.O
11:40<zafvagos>Hi all
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11:42<ZIPY>DrJuano: i had the same problem with a intel gma500 on my netbook, the gpu had never a fully supported driver
11:44<DrJuano>ZIPY, I've installed debian yesterday. I had LMDE and Debian before formatting and never had this problem.
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11:45<ZIPY>sometimes my desktop cant get into suspend too, it is trying first and then goes back to the login screen
11:46<ZIPY>and then on the next dist-upgrade its working again ^^
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11:46<DrJuano>lol
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11:47<DrJuano>By the time, I've configured my laptop to put screen dark instead of suspend when I close the screen
11:47<anonymous>hello my friends
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11:48<anonymous>i am from brasil
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11:50<andre>hi all
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11:51<DrJuano>Thank you for your help, see you later.
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12:23<jack>How do I authenticate my username please
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12:27<yoh>anyone would recommend a monitoring setup (nagios vs icinga vs shinken) for Debian jessie and a small pull of boxes (<10) with few services (http, ssh, buildbot) and storage specifics (LSI, ZFS)? already using munin for stats collection/plotting
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12:29<yoh>and ideally with an ansible playbook to ease/standardize setup
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12:47<knosys>guys is posible to get some help on the diagnosis of often "freezes" when typing in terminal , or in other applications?
12:47<knosys>only when typing
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12:47<knosys>It is really annoying, too often, and I cannot find cause by myself, I appreciate any help.
12:47<knosys>already checked dmesg and xorg.log, didnt find anything usefull there
12:47<yoh>do you mean typing locally (thus not network issue?)
12:48<knosys>yes locally
12:48<yoh>what about interrupts/io?
12:48<knosys>i have checked irq sharing, there is none, i will look into that
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12:48<knosys>/proc/interrupts ?
12:48<yoh>could be e.g. drive(s) becoming too busy... I had similar ones with my prev SSD
12:48<yoh>knosys: I guess
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12:49<knosys>for example if i type: cd /proc/ and tab there, i got a freeze of almost 15 seconds
12:50<yoh>that would depend on your shell -- what it is trying to complete
12:50<knosys>using a sata hd , 7.200 rpm i guess
12:50<yoh>as for interrupts, once I wrote a dummy little script to show busy ones http://www.onerussian.com/tmp/./ansi/tools/monitor-interrupts.py
12:50<yoh>may be it would be of help
12:52<knosys>File wasn't found!
12:52<yoh>otherwise monitoring system more thoroughly (munin) could give also ideas / better overview of system dynamics
12:52<yoh>doh... right http://www.onerussian.com/tmp/monitor-interrupts.py
12:54<knosys>thanks, maybe it serves me well
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13:00<valdyn>plenty bash-completion stuff just is slow when you have slow hardware (like a rotating disk). But 15sec seems a little much.
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13:22<knosys>yoh, everything looks fine... i am not sure but ERR and MIS have 0 value on it, and well.. about the rest.. I am not sure. There are 2 diferent entries for snd_hda_intel : PCI-MSI-edge, IO-APIC-fasteoi
13:22<knosys>I guess because I am using nvidia hdmi sound
13:23<knosys>anyway i think everything look normal here
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13:26<yoh>knosys: so the reason somewhere else then... monitor may be iostat 1 -kx for %util - if when stuck gets to 100% for any drive
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13:32<fat_anal_tissue>I fucking hate niggers.
13:32<fat_anal_tissue>who agrees? kill blacks!
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13:37<awal>How to know how many disk space will be used after installing X pack (after installing X pack + deps & recommends) ?
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13:47<awal>One can just run apt-get/aptitude install packagename and see how many size then continue or cancel but I tought that there is a special way/command for check that
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14:32<SynrG>grummund: no, reinstalling grub-pc is equivalent to upgrade, and on upgrades, device.map isn't recreated either.
14:32<SynrG>grummund: however, grub-mkdevicemap would only need to be done once per USB key, i think.
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14:34<SynrG>i'm unsure whether, with removable devices, updating device.map even makes sense, though
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14:34<knosys>yoh, by using gnome classic, freezes seems to go forever
14:35<knosys>thank whatever, It was really annoying!
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14:37<knosys>anyway I will need to test for little longer, computer was working since 5 days ago without stop, i restarted and switched to gnome classic, so maybe I havent tested well enough yet
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15:12<abrotman>dpkg: tell DejKob about away
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15:15<debijith>code name for sid ?
15:15<mtn>debijith: yes
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15:15<mtn>debijith: sid is sid and will always be sid
15:16<mtn>debijith: or do you mean "unstable"?
15:16<debijith>unstable
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15:16<debijith>name of next unstable
15:16<mtn>debijith: sid is sid and will always be sid
15:16<dvs>debchange: sid will always be unstable
15:17<musca>unstable will always be sid
15:17<petn-randall>debijith: There will never be a next unstable. sid=unstable, it will always stay that way. There is testing=jessie, that will become stable at some point.
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15:17<debijith>jessie is about to release, what will be the name for next
15:18<dvs>debijith: stretch
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15:18*abrotman makes a new version .. "unstabler"
15:19<mtn>ooh, shiny!
15:19<dvs>that's called ubuntu
15:19*dvs runs away
15:19<debijith>have any one used unetbootin
15:20<abrotman>It's not recommended for use with Debian installers
15:20<musca>it mangles the debian installer ... not good for debian
15:20<debijith>?
15:21<abrotman>It's not recommended for use with Debian installers
15:21<dvs>debijith: use win32diskimager instead
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15:32<daenney>I was wondering if someone could explain the different to me between APT::Architectures and APT::Architectures:: in apt-config dump. I know that APT::Architcetures is supposed to affect but what does the Architectures:: with the extra "namespacing" double colon do?
15:33<daenney>It seems odd that that option would exist as such
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15:42<thomb>Hey guys, I would like to remove the gnome-games from my plain gnome-debian 8 system. How can I do that without removing all the dependencies from the gnome metapackage?
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15:45<ompaul>daenney: this is mine, and the only entry - APT::Architecture "amd64"; --- what version are you using
15:45<ompaul>thomb: the gnome-metapackage contains the games so it will go away
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15:46<ompaul>apt-get remove $packagename
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15:46<pi_>hello!!!! :-)
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15:46<thomb>ompaul: yeah, tried that already, but still... it wants to remove the gnome package
15:46<ompaul>thomb: because the games are part of it
15:46<thomb>can this package be removed savely?
15:47<ompaul>it too is a meta pacakge
15:47<ompaul>package
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15:47<ompaul>thomb: apt-cache depends on the package an
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15:48<thomb>ompaul: so you suggest to apt-get remove gnome-games and then press Y when its asking to remove the gnome package?
15:49<ompaul>thomb: apt-cache depends gnome-games should tell you lots as should apt-cache rdepends gnome-games
15:50<ompaul>it's a subset of gnome
15:50<ompaul>how can you have gnome if you take away one of it's subsets?
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15:51<thomb>ompaul: so basically there's no way to get rid of gnome-games then?
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15:52<ompaul>its only killing metapackages
15:52<ompaul>or at least that is all it should
15:52<ompaul>say you have metapackage1 which is made up of metapackage2 and foo
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15:52<ompaul>you apt-get remove foo and metapackage1 must go
15:53<ompaul>metapackage2 is made of foo1 and foo2
15:53<ompaul>if you get rid of foo2 it kills metapackage1 and metapackage2
15:53<ompaul>which are only lists
15:53<ompaul>not content
15:53<thomb>aha - i see
15:54<dvs>auto-remove?
15:54<thomb>but if I apt-get autoremove after removing gnome metapackage?
15:54<thomb>then all the other items on the list disappear as well...
15:55<ompaul>no
15:56<ompaul>say foo1 is actually just a config too for foo2
15:56<ompaul>then removing foo2 will more or less orphan foo1 and so autoremove will kill it
15:56<ompaul>unless something else you have installed wants foo1
15:56<ompaul>you can of course set foo1 to manually installed
15:56<ompaul>if you want to keep it for $reaons
15:56<ompaul>or $reason either
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15:58<thomb>ok - now I understand, why some guys prefer to install just the gnome-core package and then add further needed apps and things manually...
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15:59<ompaul>thomb: unless you have a very special use case disk space is generally cheap enough to not make an issue of it just remove it from the menus
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16:00<ompaul>then a dist-upgrade will be based on the logic of stuff that should be in the next 'gnome-desktop'
16:00<ompaul>metapackages have their uses
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16:01<thomb>kk - then I'll remove just the items from the menu, so the system stays consistent.
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16:03<thomb>thanks for clarifying that for me, ompaul
16:03<ompaul>yw
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16:22<HalfA>none is using debian :<
16:22<centrx>ha
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16:38<centrx>!ask
16:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:44<ckosloff>I have an Asus notebook with Intel i3 processor, it is capable of 64 bit, so should I install with the ia64 netinst?
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16:45<dvs>ckosloff: no, amd64
16:45<ckosloff>dvs: even thought it is not an amd CPU?
16:45<dvs>!amd64
16:45<dpkg>amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
16:46<centrx>ckosloff, Intel adopted the AMD 64-bit architecture for their mainline CPUs
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16:46<ckosloff>thanks dvs and dpkg
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16:48<dvs>np
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16:57<daenney>ompaul: according to dpkg I'm on 0.9.7.9+deb7u6
16:57<daenney>So whatever is in Wheezy essentially
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17:07<petn-randall>,v dpkg
17:07<judd>Package: dpkg on i386 -- squeeze: 1.15.11; squeeze-security: 1.15.11; wheezy-security: 1.16.15; wheezy: 1.16.15; jessie: 1.17.24; sid: 1.17.24
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17:08<petn-randall>,v apt-get
17:08<judd>No package named 'apt-get' was found in i386.
17:08<petn-randall>,v apt
17:08<judd>Package: apt on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.7; sid: 1.0.9.7; experimental: 1.1~exp8
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17:42<ompaul>daenney: na, apt-cache policy and post that in http://paste.debian.net
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17:44<daenney>ompaul: Anything specific you're looking for?
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17:44<ompaul>daenney: the contents of that for debian
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17:46<daenney>ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/162478/
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17:46<daenney>It's a rather long list since it has jessie and sid involved too
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17:47<ompaul>!frankendebian
17:47<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
17:47<ompaul>daenney: I think that you can safely upgrade to SID or jessie but you can't use stable like that and expect it to be sane
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17:48<ompaul>you can of course have it your way
17:48<daenney>ompaul: Oh I'm not expecting it to be sane
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17:48<ompaul>but frankly what's on that box ... I'm not going to comment
17:48<daenney>What I'm curious about is what APT::Architectures:: is
17:48<ompaul>its the base arch of the box
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17:49<ompaul>why yours says anything is well a mystery
17:49<daenney>Mmm, that's APT::Architecture, singular and no :: at the end from what I can see from the docs
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17:49<ompaul>I told ya what you should see for amd64
17:49<daenney>Yeah, for Architecture
17:50<daenney>That one I know, and is set to what I would expect
17:50<daenney>Architectures with two colons appended at the end however is new to me
17:51<daenney>But I'll pull in some sources and see if I can figure it out. I was just curious if someone had seen that before
17:51<ompaul>well I'm looking at your setup and wonder how the box knows anything I'm going to point at fish
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17:51<ompaul>no you build a straight small vm and you look at that for a comparable
17:51<ompaul>basic server if you like use the netinstall disk don't install a desktop do it in kvm and happy days you learn
17:52<daenney>Ya, sure
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17:54<daenney>By any chance, is something up with Alioth? I've been having trouble with it all evening
17:55<ompaul>it's perfect here
17:55<daenney>Hmm. Strange. It ends up responding but it's super slow here
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17:58<daenney>Right, Level3 and Telia appear to be unhappy with each other :/
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18:12<bluenemo>I know software STONITH is bad, but I cant get a power outlet with API for this server. Whats the best way to shoot the node in the head via software?
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18:35<grummund>Hi, how can you get the ac-power/batt icon to show in xfce system tray?
18:36<mtn>grummund: install the applet?
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18:36<k4a>sound works via pulse but not via alsa. how to fix?
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18:37<k4a>there are 2 sound cards, and HDMI videou card that has no option to turn it the fuck off, and normal card that is used
18:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 718] by debhelper
18:38*grummund has done Settings -> Panel -> Items -> Notification Area -> Xfce Power Manager [not hidden]
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18:39<paxmark9>k4a if the offending sound card is on the motherboard, the way to make sure it is not being used would be to disbable it via the bios and not the os
18:40<k4a>paxmark9, offending is the one on video card
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18:40<k4a>how do you configure default alsa card
18:41<grummund>xfce4-battery-plugin is already installed but no icon in the panel
18:41<mtn>grummund: right click the panel and add the applet?
18:42<mtn>grummund: oh, I see you looked there. I dunno then
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18:43<k4a>the fuck, alsa has no option to just select default sound card?!
18:44<k4a>all I find online are example how to blakclist the other card. but this is the same module sadly.
18:45<k4a>aplay fails, and aplay -D sysdefault /dev/urandom works. how to make "sysdefault" to be the default alsa card?
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18:47<grummund>mtn: ah i got confused, applet now added to the panel. but it's a mystery the Notification Area setting does.
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18:48<mtn>grummund: glad you got it added
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18:53<k4a>cool, after playing with asound.conf, now all alsa programs segfault
18:53<k4a>I wish someone would make a linux with windows quality in it\
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18:54<mtn>k4a: oh no, please don't!
18:54<k4a>(or mac)
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18:54<mtn>k4a: I would hate to have to quit using linux after 20 years
18:54<k4a>mtn, after what, 2 decades? debian can't deven get damn sound to work
18:54<mtn>k4a: always works fine all of my machines. sorry.
18:54<k4a>here I am editing how to develop config files for alsa, instead listening to music
18:55<k4a>mtearle, they fucked up the case where you have hdmi video, and the hdmi audio gets in the way of normal sound card
18:55<paxmark9>k4a turned on my old box with 5 y.o.nvidia card and 5 year old replacement. If you still have pulse on pavucontrol on mine will turn "off" the nvidia under the config tab
18:56<k4a>paxmark9, hm? I just need all alsa programs to work as if they would have -D sysdefault
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19:22<thehoppy>kali vmware 3, stupid kernel header not found error on loading after install, seem all the site I foud do not have a fix, anyone awake?
19:23<mtn>thehoppy: using kali
19:23<mtn>?
19:23<thehoppy>yep
19:23<mtn>!kali
19:23<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
19:24<thehoppy>yup thought so, but thought I check here
19:24<ckosloff>I installed Wheezy from a netinst CD and pressed enter too fast, installed print server on a machine that will never be that, how can I purge? What print server did Wheezy install? cups?
19:25<themill>,depends task-print-server
19:25<judd>Package task-print-server in wheezy/i386 -- depends: tasksel, cups, cups-client, cups-bsd.
19:25<themill>ckosloff: ^^
19:25<awal>How/is it possible to copy all the web site links opened in different iceweasel tabs?
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19:26<ompaul>IW will remember if it is kill -9ed you can look at the recent stuff - no ther ideas
19:26<ompaul>no other ideas that is
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19:27<ckosloff>themill: already purged cups and all dependencies, used apt-get autoremove to remove all unused left-over packages, OK?
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19:30<themill>sounds fine
19:30<estebanquesadas>Hey!!! Im new user for Ubuntu Studio and I'm happy...
19:31<estebanquesadas>Ouuu. I see log to debian usaers chat... sorry
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19:31<estebanquesadas>Bie
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19:33<awal>Sorry repeating. By "How/is it possible to copy all the web site links opened in different iceweasel tabs?" I mean copy all the links together one time instead of switching to each tab and copy the links one by one
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19:36<Brigo>awal, you can download the entire site with wget or curl
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19:38<themill>awal: unless there's a dedicated extension for this, the only thing I can think of is bookmark all tabs into a new folder and then export that folder of bookmarks to html
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19:43<awal>themill: good idea. thanks :)
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21:15<debijith>any jessie (gnome) users here ?
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21:17<lostson>debijith: try #debian-next
21:17<debijith>k.
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21:24<debijith>I cant find kompozer(html editor) in wheezy,
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21:29<peter1138>"KompoZer 0.7 is not compatible with GTK ≥ 2.14"
21:30<debijith>any html editor in wheezy
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21:43<bluenemo_>can you recommend a place to buy ssl certificates?
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