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00:34<twb>I build wheezy live SOEs (i.e. sysvinit). What's the least awful way to generate a list of files accessed during boot, so I can tell mksquashfs to move them all to the front of the filesystem?
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00:35<twb>I think I need to look at how *readahead projects collect that data
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02:14<steamroller>no
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02:25<twb>cool, thanks
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02:46<twb>Oops, I thought this was #chromium-support where I asked if chromium broke readahead :-)
02:46<user__>www
02:46<user__>hello there
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02:47<user__>vicamo, come back
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02:49<twb>I just thought of a clever way to do what I want: I'm booting off NFS, so unpack the filesystem.squashfs into a filesystem.dir, then just tcpdump NFS and record what files are requested!
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03:04<twb>Grr... I get entries like "NFS 178 V3 LOOKUP Call, DH: 0x7e42e68a/expr" but it's not obvious that is /usr/bin/expr.
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04:30<chlab>hi. I'm currently trying to build a .deb package of a php/python/js project. I have done the following: create a tarball of the files I want. inside the tarball the files are in ./var/www/. then I generate the changelog and call debuild. I then get this error: "No rule to make target `install'. Stop."
04:31<chlab>If I understand correctly, my upstream code needs a makefile with an install target? what should this do?
04:32<jm_>it doesn't really need a makefile as long as debian/rules can handle that - perhaps look at dh (debhelper)
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04:33<chlab>is there some good info on the rules file somewhere? the IntroDebianPackaging basically tells us to put this in there:
04:33<chlab>#!/usr/bin/make -f
04:33<chlab>%:
04:33<chlab> dh $@
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04:38<themill>chlab: that short example d/rules assumes you have an upstream makefile that does all the normal things for you (configure, build, install etc). That won't be the case for what you have at the moment.
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04:40<chlab>so for me I would be copying my config files to the appropriate locations, setting up my tmp dirs and starting some services?
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04:42<themill>these are things that are run at package build time, so it won't be starting services
04:43<themill>If it were a python project, then this is your setup.py
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04:43<chlab>ok I'll familiarize myself some more with the rules files and check back if I have more questions
04:43<chlab>thanks for now
04:44<themill>more precisely -- if you have a python project, you make a setup.py and then you tell dh to use the python build system (pybuild and dh_python{2,3}) to run setup.py and that puts the files in the right place
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05:22<sk>a
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05:24<sk>dead channel。
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05:25<devil>that means no probs. do you have one?
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05:27<zlatan>so 700 zombies in channel? :O
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05:28*judd is not a zombie
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05:29<zlatan>judd, shut up and be a good zombie
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05:30*judd sulks
05:30<zlatan>or a bots should be a special zombie category
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05:32<sk>i am a plant
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05:34<zlatan>sk, and you appear from china, so you will end up as a tea probably
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05:37<sk>no, i will fight with 700 zombies.
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05:38<avtobiff>can you please stop?
05:38<avtobiff>maybe you already did...
05:38<sk>all right
05:39<avtobiff>thanks :)
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07:16<grummund>Is there a way to disable the Volume popup notification in xfce but retain the functionality of the hardware volume buttons?
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07:17<grummund>or rather, what would be ideal is for the popup *only* when using the buttons
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07:43<lp>I was just comparing the install guide in wheezy and jessie: the recommended system requirements seem to have been doubled (64/256MB RAM for no-desktop became 128/512MB in jessie). Is this due to systemd, or debian-installer?
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07:44<jm_>i doubt it's due to systemd itself
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07:47<lp>Hmm. The following part remained unchanged in both install guides: The actual minimum memory requirements are a lot less than the numbers listed in this table. Depending on the architecture, it is possible to install Debian with as little as 20MB (for s390) to 60MB (for amd64).
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07:48<lp>perhaps it's not a technical reason then…
07:49<zlatan>lp, it's probably just a precaution and also maybe due default being considered i386/amd64 and the actual i386 and i486 are dropped in jessie (I think min is now i586 architecture)
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07:53<lp>zlatan: thanks. i was just horrified by a test fedora 21 system (no desktop, minimal install) swapping with 1G RAM, during a yum update, and got scared that jessie will follow in its steps…
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07:55<zlatan>lp, that is indeed horror story but maybe it's just has settings to use maximum of "power" when it can (virtual machines can be handy to test it)
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07:58<lp>zlatan: it was in a VM, i was evaluating it for a budget VPS. fedora runs in about 70MB after boot, but yum is quite memory hungry, and updating the SELinux policy needs an additional > 512MB RAM, apparently in-kernel memory…
07:59<lp>zlatan: thanks, I'll test jessie in a VM
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08:58<mcfrisk_>Hi! Howto get java plugin working in Iceweasel in sid?
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09:01<peter1138>It's icedtea-7-plugin or somesuch on Wheezy, so probably similar on sid.
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09:06<mcfrisk_>peter1138: that's the thing, I've installed them, restarted iceweasel but can't see the plugin working..
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10:07<EmleyMoor>I want to mount my phone's mtpfs automatically when I plug it in, and be able to unmount it from, say, Nautilus... I have aliases that call jmtpfs and fusermount at present. How can I make things a bit more integrated and automated?
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10:36<ulf>given the shutdown graph here: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/734233d6cbffb9560a4b does the system goes from reboot to $all, or $all to reboot?
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10:37<ulf>alternatively, does localcrit-netns stops before localcrit-net or is it the other way round?
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10:42<managan>Is there a way to reconnect to the dns without a restart?
10:42<managan>My server has run out of RAM a few times..
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10:43<ulf>or in a reduced version of the question, given service a and b. a has Required-Start: <nothing> and Required-Stop: <nothing>. b has Required-Start: a and Required-Stop: a. so 1) during booting-up, does b ALWAYS start AFTER a, chronologically? 2) during shutting-down, does b ALWAYS stop BEFORE a, again, chronogically?
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10:45<ulf>the -k version of check-init-order gives a graph of a->b for both bootup and shutdown here though, which is confusing.
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10:46<willemb>Hi. Why doesn't bacula on debian have lzo compression support?
10:46<ulf>my guess would be patents
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10:50<EmleyMoor>Assigninga value to SYMLINK in a udev rules file should create /dev/SYMLINK, am I right?
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10:52<willemb>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734361
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11:00<managan>damn, there is no way to reconnect to DNS without a restart, is there?
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11:03<Brigo>managan, can you explain you question?
11:04<managan>I ran out of RAM which I guess shut down the server's ability to resolve domain. I wish to do that again without restarting the server.
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11:06<abrotman>Reconnect?
11:06<managan>as in the command reconnect or physically? It's a VPS
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11:22<ulf>can i trust update-rc.d and X-Start-Before to place my service before a S01 service?
11:22<ulf>during boot, that is
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11:24<mestia>anybody using redmine from debian packages ?
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11:26<blast007>!anybody
11:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:40<petn-randall>Hi everyone, how do I see the negative cache TTL when using 'dig -x foobaz.com'?
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11:42<Guest117>Hello! I can't connect my LG G2 (Model number D802) via MTP protocol with Debian 7.8. Can someone help me, please?
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11:43<Guest117>I've read this wiki https://wiki.debian.org/mtp, but when I use the jmtpfs command, I have this error: paste.debian.net/163372
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11:48<waspper>Hello Guest117
11:49<waspper>I've connected my Xperia P (Yes, its too old, jeje) in KDE installing kio-mtp
11:49<waspper>For debian 7.x, you need to compile it...
11:50<waspper>I don't know about gnome...
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11:50<abrotman>Guest117: I thought there was a bug in the BTS that stated MTP was slightly broken in Wheezy?
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11:50<Guest117>I'm using Gnome :-(
11:51<waspper>jum...
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11:51<waspper>Are you tried "gmtp"?
11:52<waspper>*have
11:52<petn-randall>wheezy should support MTP out of the box, for a handful of applications.
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11:56<waspper>I'm mising something... I needed to install several tools :)
11:56<waspper>It works fine now...
11:56<Guest117>petn-randall: I have a second laptop with Linux Mint Debian Edition and I can connect the LG G2 via MTP protocol with no problem. I can't understand why it isn't working in Debian 7.8. What could I check, please?
11:57<abrotman>Guest117: not relevvant, different versions of Linux
11:57<abrotman>Guest117: did you check the BTS? what errors do you have in your logs?
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11:59<Guest117>abrotman: I'm sorry...I'm a newbie. What is BTS, please? If you could explain me, I could paste the output in paste.debian
11:59<abrotman>bugs.debian.org
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12:08<Guest117>abrotman: how can I access my errors logs, please?
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12:08<abrotman>!logs
12:08<dpkg>Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>.
12:09<abrotman>bah
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12:14<waspper>Is there any release date for Debian 8, or still in RC mode?
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12:15<petn-randall>!wwjr
12:15<dpkg>I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>.
12:15<centrx>waspper, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00002.html
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12:17<waspper>Thanks centrx... Seems that there are few days remaining :)
12:17<waspper>-- If everithing goes well...
12:17<waspper>*everything
12:17<awal>waspper: visit habitually this https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ Usually when 0 bugs, the new stable branch (now jessie) is be released then
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12:20<waspper>Just a question: "Number concerning the next release: 114" means that there are still "144" pending to make happen next release, right?
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12:22<centrx>Where did you get this 144 number
12:23<abrotman>centrx: in the URL above
12:23<waspper>Sorry, 114... The green line...
12:23<abrotman>And there are more than a few days remaining
12:25<waspper>As I see, we could expect to midddle of April... may be...
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12:25<abrotman>how do you figure that?
12:26<musca>which year?
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12:26<abrotman>Not all bugs are created eequally
12:27<abrotman>http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=jessie&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1#results Might be more accurate
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12:40<Glanzmann>Hello; I have lenovo x1 carbon gen 3 running Jessie amd64. Everytime I close my lid it does a suspend to ram or disk, how can I disable this behaviour on jessie?
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12:41<mtn>Glanzmann: are you using a desktop environment? if so, which one?
12:41<Guest125>Hi again. As far as the LG G2 connection to Debian is concerned, I solved the problem by installing gMTP. It works :-) !!! Thank you wasppr for your hint!
12:41<Glanzmann>mtn: No, I run startx + fvwm2.
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12:41<mtn>Glanzmann: ok, not sure in that case
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12:47<awal>Glanzmann: if you are using systemd probably you can change the defaults. check /etc/systemd/logind.conf specifically the line HandleLidSwitch
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12:48<finetundra>hello everyone, I'm getting an error on login that reads "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PoliyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject" can anyone give me a hand?
12:48<musca>Glanzmann: logind.conf has its own man page
12:49<Glanzmann>awal: I disabled systemd as good as I could: https://pbot.rmdir.de/hyhlpDtvl0J8rLiI8PvgsA
12:49<Glanzmann>Is there a better way?
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12:50<Glanzmann>But yes, I have the logind running.
12:51<Glanzmann>I send logind a '-1'
12:52<Glanzmann>Now it is gone.
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12:54<awal>Glanzmann: I have a basic knowledge about systemd. but if logind is is use there , in the line HandleLidSwitch=suspend change suspend by whatever you want: ignore, lock...uncomenting the line probably
12:55<Glanzmann>awal: Yes, I set it to no.
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12:56<Glanzmann>Okay ignore seems to be the right setting. I'll try to reboot and see if that fixes it.
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12:57<awal>Glanzmann: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management a nice tuto about power management
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12:58<Glanzmann>awal / musca: Thank you for resolving my problem.
12:58<Glanzmann>Oh and mtm, too,
12:59<awal>Glanzmann: you changed the line to 'ignore' ?
12:59<awal>what happen when you close your lid now?
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13:02<Glanzmann>awal: Yes, I did.
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13:02<Glanzmann>awal: I can't tell because I first set it to 'no' than I sent a kill -1 to it and it died.
13:03<Glanzmann>Now when I close my lid nothing happens. After you comment I checked the manpage again and set it to 'ignore'. I'm currently compiling a new kernel because the current jessie kernel seems to screw my WLAN.
13:04<awal>ok (Y)
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13:04<Glanzmann>I'm travelling a lot and with the current jessie kernel (I don't know if it is the kernels fault) I can not associate with many WLANs for example on vienna airport: https://pbot.rmdir.de/1ASeQ2IO_Axs60iOaFHqKw so I end up doing tethering over my phone.
13:05<Glanzmann>So I'll reboot in a second and tell you. But I'm pretty sure that it solved my problem.
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13:07<awal>Glanzmann: no reboot needed, just restart the systemd-logind daemon
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13:07<awal>systemctl restart systemd-logind.service
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13:09<Glanzmann>awal: Okay, I see. I rebooted now and it fixed my problem indeed.
13:09<Glanzmann>Thank you a lot.
13:10<awal>:)
13:10<Glanzmann>But I screwed up my new kernel. No wlan and usb network compiled in. I'll fix that and see if that fixes my WLAN for the Vienna Airport.
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13:21<finetundra>hello, I'm having an issue where my desktop settings aren't saved. how do I resolve this?
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13:30<gnox>Hey guys im experiencing some fancy problems with my xfce4-mixer applet. When i turn the volume down to zero (mute) and want to turn the volume back up, the system stays muted...
13:30<gnox>Tried different things as described here: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=36928#p36928
13:31<gnox>I have to open the terminal and then unmute the sound with alsamixer
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13:32<gnox>everytime I muted the audio
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13:33<gnox>any ideas how to resolve that?
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13:36<blast007>gnox: does this bug report match up with your issue? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711460
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13:40<awal>gnox: if you are using pulseaudio , I have same issue here. it affects all the DE and WM's I use. bug 711460 isn''t xfce only related. seems to be a pulseaudio related. install pavucontrol for manage pulse
13:42<awal>finetundra: which DE you run?
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13:49<gnox>blast007: the report sounds exaclty like what i am experiencing
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13:50<gnox>awal: I already have pavucontrol installed. But it's still ugly to switch everytime the sound gets muted. Or is there an applet for pulseaudio?
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13:51<gnox>One could also remove pulseaudio (dunno if this is a good idea...)?
13:52<Brigo>gnox, there i an applet for pulseaudio, yes.
13:53<gnox>Brigo: could you tell me whitch one?
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13:54<awal>gnox: sorry, but I have no idea about how to solve that issue, I'm living with since 1 year now. that issue only affects my jessie/sid machines, not wheezy. probably systemd is involved too, not only pulseaudio
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13:55<Brigo>gnox, not sure may be paman or papred or pasystray.
13:56<dr4gnet>hey
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13:56<gnox>Brigo, thanks - i'll take a look at those
13:56<Brigo>gnox, good luck.
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13:58<awal>Brigo: I don't know about any pulseaudio volume icon applet for control sound volume. paman, pavumeter...have different purposes related with pulse server...
13:59<Brigo>Yes , i am talking about a pulseaudio device chooser. I can use it for sound config and mix and volume and etc.
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14:02<awal>Brigo: right, padevchooser have all that features
14:03<Brigo>but it is not what gnox was asking for? :)
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14:05<awal>I think he is looking for a systray icon for pulseaudio
14:05<gnox>i was asking for an applet for the xfce panel to mange the volume-level, since the standard xfce4-mixer and xfce4-volumed ones are quite buggy
14:05<gnox>exactly, awal ;)
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14:07<Brigo>may be pasystray?
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14:11<jen>hi can anyone help me i hae debian 7.8 i have 2 screens i want make it so i can view like one thing on screen 1 and like web pages on 2nd screen any one help its on mirror screnn i have nviaida video card
14:11<jen>i am using kde
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14:13<awal>gnox: sadly I think there is NO a special applet (icon in systemtry) for pulseaudio that manage volume level. I was interested in that but no luck
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14:14<gnox>awal, did you have that behaviour just in xfce or other DE's too?
14:14<awal>pasystray (I have it). it have a function for volume, but when you clic in that option simply it opens pavucontrol
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14:15<awal>gnox: I have that issue in all DE's & WM's
14:15<gnox>I just switched to xfce some days ago. Was using gnome 3.14 before. No such problems there... strange
14:15<petn-randall>jen: That should be easy to configure in the KDE settings. What does not work?
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14:16<jen>i am not sure how do it 2 screens
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14:16<jen>i have dvi on 20inch
14:17<jen>and i have 32inch vga
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14:17<awal>gnox: I had that issue with gnome too, but I do't use gnome anymore, probably that issue is solved for gnome
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14:18<gnox>awal: could be, yes. Since on my gnome-install (deb jessie) sound worked just nice
14:18<awal>gnome+systemd+pulseaudio may be logical if all goes fine...
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14:22<oscar>jjboj
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14:22<oscar>quien eres
14:23<oscar>hola
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14:24<xxxxman>slt je suis nouveau et j'ai plein plein de questions
14:24<Brigo>!fr
14:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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14:24<awal>gnox: my solution was installing 'wmmixer' and added it to fluxbox slit. I can mute sound then turn it on scrolling up without opening pavucontrol. I dont know if xfce support slit
14:27<gnox>awal: yesterday I asked on the #xfce chat. They told me to use pulseaudio with the patched xfce4-volumed-pulse. But can't find this package for debian...
14:28<gnox>btw. what DE do you use actually?
14:28<awal>I usually use fluxbox or i3, but I have xfce
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14:30<awal>,v xfce4-volumed-pulse
14:30<judd>No package named 'xfce4-volumed-pulse' was found in i386.
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14:35<awal>gnox: you can create a shortcut for mute alsa/pulseaudio sound or unmute it
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14:37<gnox>yeah, saw that already, awal
14:37<gnox>"silly" workarounds ;)
14:38<awal>probably yeah
14:38<awal>but very useful if one prefer minimalism ...
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14:41<gnox>thats true
14:41<blast007>gnox: there is a 'xfce4-volumed' package. Perhaps Debian doesn't split it out into different packages per sound system? Looks like it depends on one of various gstreamer0.10-* packages (one each for alsa and pulseaudio).
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14:45<awal>gnox: check https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed/+bug/883485/comments/3
14:45<gnox>blast007: xfce4-volumed is already installed here
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14:46<DeuS>Hola, alguien habla español?
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14:47<jmlongo>yo ... pero este no seria el lugar adeucado para ello :)
14:47<jmlongo>!es
14:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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14:54<gnox>awal: i get a "property /active-card is not available on channel xfce4-mixer"
14:54<gnox>I'll try to create one...
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15:04<gnox>no luck...
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15:13<awal>gnox: my last suggestion. is installing 'qasmixer' , it provides a icon in system tray, try it.
15:13<awal>I just installed it and tried it
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15:14<awal>mute and unmute works just fine (pressing middle mouse button).
15:14<awal>it have more useful features
15:14<awal>gnox ^
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15:27<gnox>well, thanks alot awal! QasMixer is almost doing the same as pavucontrol (qasmixer adds an icon to the panel). But still can't unmute with the keyboard. I guess, I'll have to be patient and read further... Again, thanks alot for your time man!
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15:27<awal>gnox: you can add qasmixer to your xfce startup apps with -t option
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15:28<awal>ahm, keyboard for mute/unmute is another story...
15:29<gnox>yup - for now, i'll keep qasmixer... and see if i can find a solution with that keyboard-thing ;)
15:30<awal>but qasmixer mute and unmute just fine right?
15:30<gnox>right - it works
15:30<awal>here too
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15:31<gnox>just kinda strange, that one have to download some other packages, just to unmute a muted system :)
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15:32<gnox>(or do it with alsamixer over terminal)
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15:34<awal>For me the most important is done. with qasmixer I can mute/unmute and adjust sound level via the icon tray, I no need to open pavucontrol window. so all fine here :)
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15:36<awal>one have to discover why qasmixer mute /unmute just fine, but xfce4-volumed, volti, volume-icon...no
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15:39<blast007>gnox: right, I was referring to the patch comment. I was assuming you were looking for the source package so you could apply the patch and see if that fixed it.
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15:43<gnox>blast007: this seems to be above my skill-level ;) All i can do is install and remove packages. Some guy fromthe xfce chat told me that there is a patched package (whatever that is), called xfce4-volumed-pulse
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15:54<awal>gnox :)
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15:55<awal>just install & remove? :P
15:55<awal>!laugh at gnox
15:55<dpkg>HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! gnox just cracks me up!
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16:05<EmleyMoor>Are there any good guides to automating the mounting of an MTP device (so that it mounts on connect)?
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16:19<EmleyMoor>Anywhere I can learn more about the workings and capabilities of udev?
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16:32<valdyn>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev
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16:37<f3rsi7o>hi all
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16:41<anonymous-ROoT>Am varmı
16:41<anonymous-ROoT>ammm
16:42<anonymous-ROoT>SIk kafalılar :D
16:42<anonymous-ROoT>FUck you baby
16:42<anonymous-ROoT>Ahh yeah kımonn
16:42<anonymous-ROoT>dick me
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16:43<EmleyMoor>Is there any way I can do much in udev with a device that doesn't seem to be allocated an entry in /dev when I plug it in?
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16:46<somiaj>EmleyMoor: I belive so, as long as udev gets the event you should be able to do things (sometimes udev will get an event but not create a /dev node because it can't assoicate the device with module/kernel). But I don't know enough about udev to actually do this.
16:47<EmleyMoor>somiaj: I'm having trouble identifying the event
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16:48<somiaj>EmleyMoor: how about you take a step back. What is it you are trying to do? Is some hardware not being properly detected?
16:48<EmleyMoor>somiaj: What I am trying to do is get one or more MTP devices to mount "on connect"
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16:50<somiaj>EmleyMoor: ahh yea I recall seeing that question. My experience is they don't get device nodes but I see the kernel see them so I would think udev gets the event.
16:51<EmleyMoor>somiaj: I can't do my own processing, though, as it seems I have nothing to process on
16:51<somiaj>EmleyMoor: I can't think of the best course to go. My personally preference is just use something like jmtpfs. It ahs a simple command to mount it, but I would just run it manually.
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16:52<EmleyMoor>somiaj: Hmmm... sorted that but it effectively limits me to one device at a time
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16:53<somiaj>EmleyMoor: look at jmtpfs -l, and then jmtpfs -device=blah mountpoint
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16:53<somiaj>EmleyMoor: seems it can do more than one device, but you'll have to list them and then mount them. By default it just mounts the first.
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16:55<somiaj>EmleyMoor: again I'm unsure what would be needed to get these commands to trigger/mount automatically.
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16:56<EmleyMoor>OK, thanks anyway - if anything it's nice to know that it's "not just me"
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17:04<schustan>Hi, I am currently running debian jessie. I tried to report a bug in iceweasel yesterday, however reportbug told me my version was out of date. I ran apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, but no new versions were found. debian-security repo is enabled, but I get the older version from the repos anyway. Can anyone show me the ropes?
17:04<retrospectacus>,v iceweasel
17:04<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.5.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.5.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.5.3esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.5.3esr-1; experimental: 36.0.4-1
17:05<retrospectacus>I'm not sure how reportbug decides if your version is out of date
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17:05<retrospectacus>but wheezy-security is newer than jessie. You could try that one
17:07<schustan>well, actually 31.5.3esr1 is also in jessie-security
17:07<schustan>ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_31.5.3esr-1~deb7u1_amd64.deb
17:07<schustan>however apt will not get it :S
17:08<schustan>is there some time the package indices need to be updated?
17:09<somiaj>retrospectacus: how about you tell us what version of iceweasel you have, what is the output of apt-cache policy iceweasel
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17:12<schustan>iceweasel: Installed: 31.5.0esr-1 Candidate: 31.5.0esr-1 Version table: *** 31.5.0esr-1 0 500 ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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17:14<zlatan>schustan, maybe the updated package didn't hit your mirrors yet and that is why (maybe) reportbug is crying
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17:15<schustan>i am actually using security.debian.org, so the package should be availiable
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17:16<schustan>the problem already persists for 2 days now, so I dont think this is the problem
17:16<zlatan>hmm
17:17<zlatan>schustan, I guess adding recent version from experimental (or even mozilla.debian.net repo) couldn't hurt much
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17:20<schustan>zlatan, yeah I could do that, although I would consider this more as a quick-fix, as I can not get the ESR release this way :S
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17:21<zlatan>schustan, oh you want esr release...okay, don't add the experimental one then
17:21<zlatan>schustan, what problem do you have in iceweasel?
17:22<schustan>On some sites with heavy javascript I get segfaults
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17:23<zlatan>schustan, you could do manual download from https://packages.debian.org/sid/iceweasel and install it (I don't believe that more then maybe one additional dependency should be fetched)
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17:24<zlatan>schustan, have you also checked that maybe its already reported
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17:26<schustan>I searched the web, however I did not find anything recent
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17:27<zlatan>#779796
17:27<zlatan>not maybe the same case but who would know
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17:31<schustan>zlatan, it is probably not the same bug, as in my case non-https traffic also crashes iceweasel
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17:33<schustan>however, I just found out why I will not yet get the new version from debian-security, manually installing it showed dependency problems with some libraries, probably the needed dependency is not yet packaged.
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17:35<schustan>For now I will just wait for the untill I can install the version from debian-security, and as soon as the new packages will be availiable I will test again, and if the problem persists report the bug.
17:35<schustan>Thank you all and stay awesome!
17:37<somiaj>schustan: seems the version in jessie is behind (partly because there is no jessie-security until the release). You may have to wait for the package to be pulled ni from sid (and its depends)
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17:41<zlatan>schustan, indeed you could add unstable temporarily and install just iceweasel and then remove (or comment) the unstable line
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17:42<schustan>somiaj, ok thank you, I did not yet know jessie-security was not yet official.
17:43<schustan>zlatan, that will probably be the way to go I guess
17:44<somiaj>schustan: yea it is mostly there as a place keeper. Once the release hits, the secuirty team will then start giving jessie secuirty support though that repo.
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17:44<zlatan>schustan, its not a bad solution at all really : do unstable instead of wheezy, sudo apt get update && sudo apt-get install iceweasel and then just rename unstable back to wheezy and update the system again
17:45<somiaj>zlatan: that is probabaly a bad idea.
17:46<schustan>just a little afraid of dependency hell :S
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17:46<somiaj>now since he is running jessie and unstable is slushly installing a unstable package in jessie may not be so bad.
17:47<zlatan>schustan, are you running jessie (then jessie instead wheezy of course)
17:47<somiaj>schustan: jessie and unstable are still 'somewhat close' since sid is slushy right now. You can probabaly install the sid iceweasel package (and the the one or two iceweasel libs) just fine.
17:47<somiaj>!slushy
17:47<dpkg>When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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17:48<zlatan>somiaj, and no, I don't think its bad at all because the same version will hit jessie
17:48<somiaj>zlatan: for jessie I woudln't say it is bad. You suggested he install unstable packages in wheezy. That is dangerous.
17:49<schustan>ok thank you for the explaination
17:49<schustan>just migrated over from arch linux, package management is still quite new for moe :P
17:49<schustan>*me
17:51<zlatan>somiaj, I made a mistake thinking he uses wheezy and iceweasel upgrades are not dangerous as they don't have big dependency hell (at least not hard one)
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17:52<somiaj>zlatan: sid's iceweasel depends on libc6 3.17 which is NOT in wheezy. Yes this is a very bad libary to upgrade. Not to mention there are a bunch of other sharded libs you don't want to upgrade.
17:52<zlatan>schustan, if you used arch I don't think even unstable would be a tough thing for you...but yes, first just get used to it :)
17:52<somiaj>zlatan: please do not suggest to users to install unstable packages on wheezy. It is very bad advise.
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17:52<zlatan>somiaj, I stand corrected ;)
17:52<retrospectacus>somiaj: I don't have iceseasel
17:53<retrospectacus>sorry, delayed response
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17:54<schustan>zlatan, yeah, thats exactly the reason why I left arch :P
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17:54<schustan>spending too much time fine-tuning my system and not getting enuogh work done :S
17:55<schustan>however, iceweasel from sid is up-and-running now, the bug seems fixed (just a quick test, still needs further testing ;-) )
17:55<somiaj>schustan: jessie is fairly good right now, but until it is actually released ti may be more like 'arch' in things don't work as smoothly as they will on a stable debian release.
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17:56<somiaj>schustan: issue with the stable releases to some is it is frozen (and thus a bit 'outdated' -- though this can be a good thing). Luckly backports make life better in that sense
17:57<zlatan>schustan, I run unstable+experimental without any big quirks...but you should get to know better debian way
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17:58<schustan>somiaj, I just had to go for jessie as I need some development libraries in a more recent version than they are currently in wheezy so I decided to go with jessie
17:58<somiaj>schustan: yea you just hit a point where wheezy is causing issues. What kind of development do you do. Running jessie/sid chroots are nice thing to do.
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17:59<somiaj>schustan: but anyways if you stick with jessie once it is stable things should run really nicely. If you decide to go with unstable (or testing) after the release your experience may be similar to arch. Things will work a lot of the time, but sometimes you gotta fix stuff.
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18:01<pc>hola
18:01<retrospectacus>pc: hello
18:01<waspper>hello
18:01<pc>hay algun chat en español
18:01<schustan>specifically I needed the arm-none-eabi toolchain and newlib in a current version for some embedded systems development, currently evaluating some bluetoothe low energy chipsets
18:01<retrospectacus>#es
18:01<retrospectacus>!es
18:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
18:02<waspper>Puedes usar #drupal-es
18:02<waspper>Digo, #debian-es
18:02<schustan>somiaj, sticking with jessie for some time now is the plan ;-)
18:02<pc>gracias
18:02<waspper>Sorry :)
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18:23<arw>hello to all. some years ago, i've used a comand tool to create directory tree: debian src doc tests scripts lib and others files, when i was to write some code. i forgot the tool's name. maybe some know it ?
18:23<arw>thanks
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18:30<zlatan>arw, I am not sure on what are you thinking exactly - are you maybe thinking on creating a debian directory inside a source package?
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18:39<agus>hola
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18:44<arw>zlatan, i just want to wite a little program, but i just need to create directory tree using a tool
18:45<zlatan>arw, you mean one that creates a skeleton for you? What kind of a program - probably an IDE could help you?
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18:47<arw>yes, right the skeleton... i cant use a id, because is terminal without x manager
18:47<arw>zlatan
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19:00<zlatan>arw, what kind of program (in which language)?
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19:02<arw>zlatan, just to read an put data on serial port, and some information on screen. Language: c .
19:02<arnold>hello
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20:12<arw>zlatan, thnks, but The output of autoproject do not included a template Debian package :/
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20:13<zlatan>arw, you can create debian subdirectory with dh_make
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20:13<arw>zlatan, ok, thank you i'm goin go try it
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20:30<pi_user_84>greetings everyone
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23:02<iceman>hi
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23:04<finetundra>can someone help me with an error message?
23:05<iceman>hola
23:06<iceman>i have problem with tor bundle
23:06<finetundra>it reads "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject"
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23:19<somiaj>finetundra: what is giving you this error?
23:19<finetundra>somiaj, logging in
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23:21<somiaj>finetundra: what version of debian are you running. Does this happen when you login via gdm3 (your display manager)? Using gnome or some other desktop?
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23:23<finetundra>somiaj, whatever the current version of wheezy is. I'm a taad unsure what you mean by display manager. is that the same as say LightDM?
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23:25<somiaj>finetundra: yea, that is the graphical login you see that I assume is what you have failing
23:26<finetundra>somiaj, would that not also cause the DE to fail to load?
23:26<somiaj>finetundra: sounds like a policykit, dbus issue but I don't know enough to know what could be causing it. If you try a new user (one with no configs) does it work.
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23:28<finetundra>somiaj, I have no other existing users. I'll have to add one
23:28<finetundra>somiaj, is ther e aquick way to do so?
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23:30<somiaj>finetundra: adduser username
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23:32<finetundra>somiaj, hold on for a sec
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23:33<awal>In .fluxbox/int there is this line "session.screen0.toolbar.tools: prevworkspace, workspacename, nextworkspace, clock, prevwindow, nextwindow, iconbar, systemtray". I added 'RootMenu' before 'prevworspace' and now I have the a root menu in the toolbar. I wanna have an empty space between rootmenu and prevworkspace for avoid confusion. How to do that?
23:34<awal>.fluxbox/init ^
23:34<finetundra>somiaj, the same error occurs in the new user
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23:41<somiaj>awal: I would suggest asking fluxbox support
23:42<somiaj>finetundra: have you googled your error? There is some system config messed up. Did you do anything that could have changed default settings before this happened?
23:43<somiaj>finetundra: http://www.blackmoreops.com/2013/11/19/fix-gdbus-error-org-freedesktop-policykit1-error-failed-authentication-agent-already-exists-given-subject-error-kali-lmde-debian-linux/ -- one thing I found for xfce
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23:44<finetundra>somiaj, yes I did. however nothing
23:45<finetundra>i found turned anything useful up
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23:49<finetundra>somiaj, however I will try the fix you've presented me
23:49<finetundra>I shall return momentairly
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23:51<finetundra>somiaj, it appears to have worked. thank you.
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23:51<somiaj>finetundra: (:
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23:52<somiaj>finetundra: thank google, I just copied/pasted the error you wrote into it
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23:53<finetundra>somiaj, I must've messed something up then.
23:53<somiaj>finetundra: its all good, I just like helping people learn how to find the info they need.
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23:53<finetundra>somiaj, anyway would you happen to know how to grant a program permission to execute?
23:54<somiaj>finetundra: clarify what you mean. you mean add the execute bit, 'chomod +x filename'?
23:55<finetundra>somiaj, yep thats exactly what I meant. I can never remember that for some reason even though I need it routinely
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23:59<finetundra>well somiaj, thanks for the help. Have a good night dude
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