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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-03-30

---Logopened Mon Mar 30 00:00:09 2015
---Daychanged Mon Mar 30 2015
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00:32<twb>Can unattended-upgrades log to syslog?
00:33<twb>I was about to do this: http://sprunge.us/NSQM?sh in /etc/cron.daily/, but I thought I should at least ask
00:35<twb>(The actual u-a is done in /etc/cron.daily/apt AFAICT.)
00:35<twb>Er, u-u
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00:40<twb>Looks like it comes out of "stderr_handler = logging.StreamHandler()" in /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade
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00:41<twb>If I set Unattended-Upgrade::LogFile to /dev/log, does it syslog? Looks like I need to ask #python. /me girds loins
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00:48<twb>OK #python says this won't work because StreamHandler is not SysLogHandler. I'll file a wishlist bug.
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03:21<PDL>I'm having a problem uninstalling virtualbox
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03:22<jm_>!ask
03:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:23<PDL>Hmm that's odd
03:23<PDL>Seems to do it through SSH
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03:24<PDL>I kept getting 'Removing virtualbox-dkms ...' then 'Error! You must be root to use this command.'
03:25<PDL>Even though I su'd
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05:19<Kiranos>hm this wiki https://wiki.debian.org/motd seems outdated?
05:20<Kiranos>what I have is /var/run/motd.dynamic and initscripts is handling motd with init.d/motd
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05:24*SynrGy shrugs
05:24<SynrGy>my /etc/motd files are all static
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05:25<SynrGy>also, the section "Wheezy" says:
05:25<SynrGy>Currently /etc/motd is user editable and static in Wheezy - The file will not be overwritten by reboot.
05:26<SynrGy>that's consistent with my findings on jessie and sid systems, too
05:26<SynrGy>Kiranos: ^^
05:26<Kiranos>"The motd is updated at every reboot, in a boot script (/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh in lenny and below, /etc/init.d/bootlogs in squeeze and above), "
05:26<Kiranos>this is not true
05:27<Kiranos>I have a init.d/ that handles /var/run/motd.dynamic
05:27<Kiranos>so if I symlink /etc/motd to /var/run/motd.dynamic this is working but its not referenced in above wiki
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05:28<SynrGy>it was true at the time the statement was made, and the section labelled "Wheezy" supercedes that statement in that it states it is static.
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05:29<SynrGy>i.e. this may have been true for squeeze.
05:29<SynrGy>as for "motd.dynamic", i have no idea where that comes from
05:29<SynrGy>i have no such file
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05:33<SynrGy>Kiranos: i find your statement "I have a init.d/ that handles /var/run/motd.dynamic" confusing. init.d is a directory ... what *script* handles that? i can't see anything in debian currently (at least in jessie or sid) that would do that.
05:34<Kiranos>https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/initscripts/filelist
05:34<Kiranos>look at that file in init.d and specificly the motd file
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05:35<Kiranos>motd: uname -snrvm > /var/run/motd.dynamic
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05:39<SynrGy>got it. that's still the case. however, mine is still static
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05:41<Kiranos>SynrGy: yea default is static, but if you want to change to dynamic all mechanics are there, but not referenced in the wiki
05:41<Kiranos>its just to replace the static file with a symlink to /var/run/motd.dynamic
05:42<jm_>the point of wiki is to to make it easy to edit and fix stuff
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05:42<SynrGy>yep
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05:53<SynrGy>and the risk in putting things in the wiki (and consulting the wiki *first* instead of documentation that ships with packages) is that it drifts out of date
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05:54<SynrGy>if people aren't going to maintain pages like this, they should simply be deleted :p
05:55<SynrGy>if they are still in the wiki because the documentation in the package does not adequately describe the behaviour of the software, a bug (with patch, preferably), fixing the doc is better.
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05:58<SynrGy>when the wiki goes out of date, people complain, no bugs are filed, and nobody is held responsible to fix it ...
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06:39<R4spS3c>hi everybody I have the wlan adapter Ralink RT5572. I installed the firmware-ralink package, but when I plug in the adapter no firmware is loaded. Any idea whats wrong?
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06:40<R4spS3c>I have Debian kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64
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06:41<jm_>!RT5572
06:41<dpkg>The Ralink RT5572 802.11n chip is supported by the <rt2800usb> driver since Linux 3.10. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-ralink from <wheezy-backports> for device support.
06:41<jm_>note the info about bpo kernel
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06:45<R4spS3c>I already installed the package from backports but nothing changed
06:45<jm_>if you did your kernel version would not be 3.2
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06:45<jm_>note how it mentions two things to install from backports
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06:49<R4spS3c>3.2.0-4-amd64 is the output from the command uname -r. Therefore i should have kernel 3.2, right?
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06:50<vito>ciao
06:50<vito>!list
06:50<dpkg>vito: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
06:50<jm_>did you not notice how it says kernel version 3.10 or newer is required?
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06:52<R4spS3c>oh sry I didn't realised that.
06:54<R4spS3c>Therefore it's necessary to use https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel ?
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06:55<jm_>just ask dpkg about 'bdo kernel' -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel
06:55<R4spS3c>ok thanks for your help
06:56<jm_>no problem
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08:43<mozafary>Hello,How can I talk with a person who manage Debian Mirror list?!I could not find any body on Mailing list!
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08:45<Infiltrator>!ask
08:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:46<roberth>hello, I want this https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/pepperflashplugin-nonfree package, how do I the contrib repository to sources.list?
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08:50<Infiltrator>roberth: Just add contrib (might also need non-free) to the end of your deb line.
08:50<Infiltrator>roberth: Have a read of the wiki for more information: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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09:11<roberth>okay I run ls -l in a folder and one file say "-rw-r--r-- 1 roberth root"
09:11<roberth>what does root indicate?
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09:11<roberth>I mean does root have to with the package?
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09:12<Elrond>roberth - That's the group of the file. A file is owned by a user and a group.
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09:12<Elrond>roberth - but user files should not be in group root, really. So that is still strange.
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09:13<Elrond>roberth - Can you do "ls -ld ." in that folder and show me the rwx...?
09:13<roberth>Elrond: not it is not I downloaded those by a mistake as root, so my question is how do I change the group?
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09:14<roberth>drwxr-xr-x 3 roberth root
09:14<Elrond>roberth - Oh, you probably did chown after downloading as root?
09:14<Infiltrator>roberth: `chgrp newgroup` or `chown newuser:newgroup`.
09:14<roberth>yeah
09:14<Elrond>roberth - See Infiltrator: "chgrp roberth FILE"
09:15<Elrond>roberth - chown only changes the owner, but not the group.
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09:15<roberth>okay I dont want a new group, I want the group something in my home is suposed to belong to
09:15<Infiltrator>Elrond: Actually, if you do chown a:b it changes both.
09:15<Elrond>roberth - unless you use "chown USER:GROUP".
09:15<Elrond>Infiltrator - yeah. Just noted that.
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09:16<roberth>okay sure, but what is the group my user is a part of? it was created during installing debian
09:16<Infiltrator>roberth: By the way, get into the habit of reading 'man command'.
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09:16<Elrond>roberth - Or "chown roberth: FILE" To use the default group of user roberth.
09:16<Infiltrator>roberth: Usually, it'll just be your username; you can check with `groups` - the first one.
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09:16<roberth>Infiltrator: yeah, I just thought that chown only had to with users
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09:17<roberth>uhm that doesnt seem to tell me much, because it doesnt distinquish primary group of my user and additional groups
09:18<Elrond>"id roberth" shows the primary group nicely.
09:18<Elrond>And with "groups", the primary group is the first one listed, as Infiltrator already noted.
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09:20<roberth>okay now for some reason the permissions are different inside that folder: https://bpaste.net/raw/42d0fe95fb7d
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09:21<Elrond>roberth - What permissions did you expect?
09:21<Infiltrator>Yeah; looks perfectly fine?
09:22<roberth>well that all the items there should have the same permissions
09:22<Infiltrator>roberth: Have a read over `man chmod` for an explenation of permissions.
09:22<Infiltrator>They do have the same permissions.
09:22<Infiltrator>Or am I missing something here?
09:23<Infiltrator>roberth: Oh; you mean the 'x' on the executable binary?
09:23<Infiltrator>It just means that that file is executable.
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09:23<Elrond>Infiltrator, roberth directories need different permissions from files. They need the "x" so one can "go into them".
09:23<roberth>yeah, the folder is executable but not the the files...
09:23<Infiltrator>Wait, it's a dir.
09:24<Infiltrator>I need sleep. I'm not helping. Elrond, I leave this to you.
09:24<Elrond>:)
09:24<Elrond>Infiltrator - You are helping. :)
09:24<roberth>Elrond: is probably busy travelling across the sea
09:24<Infiltrator>roberth: But have a read over `man chmod` anyway.
09:25<Elrond>Right, I guess, there are 1000 tutorials on unix permissions on the inet?
09:25<Elrond>roberth - No, I happy in rivendell currently. :)
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09:27<roberth>Elrond: what do aim at when telling me to read that man page? it doesn't tell me something new afaik
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09:27<Elrond>roberth - Just so you get an idea on unix permissions. Like: directories need the execute permission, so one can "go into them".
09:28<roberth>ahhh
09:29<Elrond>roberth - You could use your favorite internet unix tutorial as well. :)
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09:30<Elrond>(In the old days, people recommended books, you know.)
09:31<Infiltrator>Elrond: You mean those PDF things?
09:31<roberth>yeah... back then I would never try linux
09:31<roberth>without the internet I would be lost
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09:31<Elrond>Infiltrator - I mean those things made from dead trees. ;)
09:32<Elrond>I used linux about 20 years ago. ;o)
09:32<Elrond><-- instantly feels old.
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09:34<roberth1990>aaannnddd now when I continued what I was doing I built the backported package as root
09:34*roberth1990 throwing the computer in the garbage container
09:36<Elrond>building a package as root is not recommended, but should not hurt, really.
09:37<roberth1990>well I used the fakeroot command to do as root
09:38<Elrond>:)
09:38<roberth1990>"yo I heard you like root so I put root into root"
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10:32<strongCoffee>I'm looking for options for a rebootless upgrade-solution, including upgrades to new stable releases, kernel upgrades etc... For kernelupgrades i have used ksplice many years ago but that does not seem like an option anymore after oracle took over. I'm not very inserted in how kernels work eighter, maybe it's not insecure to use an old kernel anyways?
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10:35<nevyn>it is absolutely insecure to use older kernels.
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10:35<Apollo>and kernel 4.0 has rebootless patching, but that's not going to be in debian for quite a while
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10:36<nevyn>there's a strong argument that ksplice while helpful gave some false sense of security in that it didn't fix your still broken in memory but fixed on disk ssl libraries
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10:40<strongCoffee>Ok. So rebooting is still recommended. Would have been great in this case to just "set it and forget it", the only service that will run on the server is apache
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10:41<nevyn>strongCoffee: so if you inplace patch the kernekl
10:41<nevyn>but don't restart the services
10:41<nevyn>then what's the inmemory code you're running?
10:41<nevyn>is it patched. or notpatched (the userland code)
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10:42<strongCoffee>nevyn sorry if i'm sen lost but i don't really understand what you mean. I use unattended-upgrades for all other upgrades, and ofc i restart services that being upgraded
10:43<nevyn>yes
10:43<nevyn>but. if libssl is upgrade
10:43<nevyn>but apache is not
10:43<nevyn>did you still restart the services?
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10:44<strongCoffee>i guess i will restart it anyways since it's used by apache
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10:46<strongCoffee>the main reason i went from windows server to linux in the first place was to be able to skip these annoying reboots all the time
10:47<planetmaker>strongCoffee, no need to restart everything. Just the services which depend on an upgraded lib
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10:47<planetmaker>but with kernel updates... yeah, there a restart is the best option
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10:49<strongCoffee>planetmaker yes i know that, but not only kernel-upgrades seems to require reboot. If i have update-noticer installed and configured to display when reboot is needed in MOTD, i see that message from time to time even if not touching the kernel
10:49<planetmaker>glibc is a bad candidate, too :)
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11:09<finetundra>how do you run a downloaded .deb file?
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11:10<mtn>finetundra: you can install it using dpkg or gdebi
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11:10<finetundra>mtn, I'm unsure on how to use those
11:11<mtn>finetundra: are you using a desktop or just command line? and why are you using a .deb you downloaded in the first place?
11:11<mtn>finetundra: you should read this: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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11:14<finetundra>terminal or desktop is fine. I'm using a downloaded file because I was unable to find the program I was looking for in synaptic and couldn't find a guide on how to install it on for wheezy on google
11:14<mtn>finetundra: in desktop, just right click to see option to install. if you want command line, the command is dpkg, which you can research by typing: man dpkg
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11:17<finetundra>mtn, there is no install option under the menu supplied by right clicking. I will see if I can figure out dpkg
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11:21<finetundra>mtn, is there a way other than using dpkg?
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11:22<sistemas>is there any news about the update of openssl?
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11:25<piper>finetundra: dpkg -i nameof.deb did you read man dpkg ? Also if it is a ubuntu .deb you downloaded, your on your own and could/should break your system sooner or later
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11:27<finetundra>piper, it is a debian .deb file
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11:27<musca>sistemas: yes, debian-security-announce https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2015/threads.html
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11:29<piper>finetundra: then dpkg -i nameof.deb should work fine any errors use paste and post the paste here
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11:31<finetundra>alright piper
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11:33<finetundra>piper, does the command require a full file path?
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11:36<piper>finetundra: easiest way is to put it in /home/username open cli su, password dpkg -i nameof.deb I don't do sudo, so you would have to subsitute
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11:45<sistemas>thanks musca
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12:47<leo>hello great guys, i have a problem i have follow debian wiki about iphone but i can't mount the device any can help?
12:47<musca>ckosloff: its a binary in one of the icedtea packages.
12:48<musca>,file itweb-settings
12:48<judd>Search for itweb-settings in wheezy/i386: icedtea-netx: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/itweb-settings, usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/itweb-settings
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12:49<musca>hello leo, what did you try, and what result did you get?
12:50<leo>musca, ihav copied the script ona debian wiki
12:50<leo>but the script tell no devices found or something like it
12:50<leo>lsudb list the device
12:51<leo>Bus 005 Device 008: ID 05ac:1297 Apple, Inc. iPhone 4
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12:52<leo>i don't have windows boxes here, one friend have put one music on iphone with itunes
12:52<leo>before it i have success to mount iphone but now wen iphone have itunes initialized not mount
12:52<leo>thanks for atention musca
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12:56<musca>leo: the wiki mentions some basics about the script. (three lines of commands in a box)
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12:58<musca>leo: you can investigate if those lsusb commands do something useful.
12:58<leo>ok, musca but not work for me
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12:59<musca>leo: use http://paste.debian.net to show us some output, please
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13:00<leo>ok, gfuys excuse
13:01<musca>lsusb -v 2>/dev/null | awk '/idVendor.*Apple/{print $2; exit}'
13:01<musca>lsusb -v -d $idVendor: 2>/dev/null | awk '/iSerial/{print $3; exit}'
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13:02<musca>theese commands will print some info, no magic involved
13:03<leo>i have reinstalled gvfs tools and softwares with wiki indicates
13:03<leo>but on my home dir no have .gvfs dir
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13:04<musca>leo: packages will never touch your homedir on install or remove actions.
13:04<leo>it's strange
13:04<leo> ~/.gvfs not exist
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13:07<leo>thanks musca, i back later
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13:53<awal>!blank
13:53<dpkg>You can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. Permanent virtual console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/kbd/config.
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13:58<awal>Should I remove network-manager after installing wicd or they can coexist disabling one of them if no used?
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14:25<awal>I'm trying to understand how to combine youtube-dl and avconv but i'm really lost. I just want download the video from youtube and when download finish convert it to ogg vorbis or mp3 immediately saving both original video and conversion in /home. Any nice, easy command combination?
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14:36<retrospectacus>awal: something like this I guess
14:36<retrospectacus>function getYT() { id=$1; youtube-dl $id; newfile=$(echo *$id*) ; avconv -i "$newfile" "$newfile.mp3"; }
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14:38<awal>retrospectacus: all that command?
14:38<retrospectacus>pardon?
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14:39<retrospectacus>it defines a new command which I called getYT
14:39<retrospectacus>it takes a parameter which is a youtube ID e.g. dQw4w9WgXcQ
14:40<retrospectacus>downloads it, matches the file, converts it to mp3.
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14:43<awal>retrospectacus: sorry, what I no understood is where to insert the youtube link in that command , for example this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbcsItHtjyA
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14:43<retrospectacus>you don't.
14:44<retrospectacus>if you run the command above, you have now defined a new command "getYT" (for the duration of the current terminal session)
14:44<retrospectacus>which takes a parameter: getYT GbcsItHtjyA
14:46<retrospectacus>it's not perfect
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14:47<awal>retrospectacus: I'm really sorry because of my ignorance. I hope no bother to much. I want download this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbcsItHtjyA So the full command should be? what should I do exactly
14:47<retrospectacus>well, the command "youtube-dl GbcsItHtjyA" will download it, right?
14:48<awal>yeah
14:48<retrospectacus>then you need to run something like "ls -ltr|tail -1" to figure out what the new file is called
14:48<retrospectacus>then run avconv on it
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14:49<retrospectacus>the function getYT which I showed you how to define, does something like that
14:49<retrospectacus>it does "echo *GbcsItHtjyA*" instead of "ls -tr|tail -1"
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14:50<retrospectacus>GbcsItHtjyA is the variable "$id" in that function
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14:50<awal>okso basically I have to run youtube-dl GbcsItHtjyA ; function getYT() { id=$1; youtube-dl $id; newfile=$(echo *$id*); avconv -i "$newfile" "$newfile.mp3"; }
14:51<retrospectacus>no. Just run what I told you
14:51<retrospectacus>nothing will happen
14:51<awal>so i run youtube-dl GbcsItHtjyA
14:51<awal>then youtube-dl GbcsItHtjyA ; function getYT() { id=$1; youtube-dl $id; newfile=$(echo *$id*); avconv -i "$newfile" "$newfile.mp3"; }
14:51<awal>sorry
14:51<retrospectacus>no, no and yes
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14:52<retrospectacus>the command I gave you creates a function
14:52<retrospectacus>or a command
14:52<retrospectacus>called getYT
14:52<retrospectacus>after you have created that function, you will be able to use it
14:53<retrospectacus>like so: getYT GbcsItHtjyA
14:53<retrospectacus>then getYT dQw4w9WgXcQ
14:53<retrospectacus>etc etc for whatever videos you want
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14:54<retrospectacus>the function performs the youtube-dl and avconv for you.
14:55<awal>ok, ok. I think I understood. let me try
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15:03<awal>retrospectacus: I no understand all the meaning of that command but it works. So i executed function getYT() { id=$1; youtube-dl $id; newfile=$(echo *$id*); avconv -i "$newfile" "$newfile.mp3"; } after that I run getYT GbcsItHtjyA (example) and youtube-dl is executed and immediatly, when download finished avconv did the conversion to mp3. All worked like a charm. Thank you very much :)
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15:06<retrospectacus>great
15:06<awal>:)
15:07<retrospectacus>now, getYT command will be available only in that terminal, until you close it
15:07<retrospectacus>you can also put the function definition in your .bashrc or create an executable script in $HOME/bin for it
15:08<retrospectacus>if you want it to be available in every terminal, or always for your user, respectively
15:08<retrospectacus>or put it in /usr/local/bin/ if you want it available for every user
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15:09<retrospectacus>the executable script would look a bit different
15:09<retrospectacus>also, it's not very well thought out... it will fail in some crazy way(s) if you run it again for the same video
15:10<awal>retrospectacus: ok, I understood well. thanks for the detailed info :)
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15:12<G33KY>Hey all, I'm going to be replacing the current BootCamp install of Windows on my mac with Debian, and I want to know if I should install GRUB or not?
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15:18<awal>G33KY: in debian wiki there useful tutorials. check them
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15:20<awal>G33KY: ask dpkg about macbook macbookpro macbookair and you will get some info too
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15:24<ntcbow>hi there
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15:25<ntcbow>just read http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community and someone told me that was an april juke, is it? or will there be more arguing soon?
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15:27<ntcbow>Ivan Gotyaovoich... nevermind
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15:33<devil_>:)
15:33<G33KY>I think I get it now
15:33<G33KY>I was confusing the efi and legacy bios boot modes
15:34<devil_>a lot of people on the net still don't or don't want to
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16:00<ckosloff>musca: I posted this question in #debian-next
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16:18<mrmyers>How do I blacklist pcspkr and snd_pcsp? I'm seeing a lot of claims that method foo is depreciated so use bar, and vice versa.
16:19<ckosloff>musca: I got the itweb-settings, thanks
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16:24<towo`>mrmyers, echo blacklist pcspkr > /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.conf && echo blacklist snd_pcsp\n >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.con
16:24<towo`>grr
16:24<towo`>mrmyers, echo blacklist pcspkr > /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.conf && echo blacklist snd_pcsp >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.cof
16:24<towo`>so
16:24<mrmyers>Almost :-p
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16:24<towo`>no
16:24<mrmyers>.cof?
16:24<towo`>mrmyers, echo blacklist pcspkr > /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.conf && echo blacklist snd_pcsp >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.conf
16:24<towo`>now
16:25*mrmyers cheers
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16:26<towo`>remark to myself, don't drink and type
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16:28<mrmyers>So, as long as it's in that dir, it'll be checked on loading?
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16:35<towo`>mrmyers, yes
16:35<mrmyers>Thanks :-)
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16:43<veggi3soup>hi
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16:44<veggi3soup>how come with linux you can run a program and then delete the binary but still run the program wehreas in windows the bin is locked?
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16:45<towo`>because linux is not windows?
16:45<veggi3soup>where deos linux still run it, in the ram?
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16:46<adema>veggi3soup, the file is not actually deleted, it's still in the cache
16:47<adema>and changed to the filesystem are commited "after"
16:47<veggi3soup>the cache is in the ram?
16:47<veggi3soup>or hd?
16:48<adema>there is different kind of cache and i'm not an expert in this domain, but it should be in the "kernel" cache
16:48<adema>so somewhere in memory i guess
16:48<veggi3soup>thanks
16:50<adema>veggi3soup, as long as the file is opened by at least one process, it's kept in the cache, hidden to user-space, and when the last process closes it, it gets really deleted
16:50<funkyHat>The way it works is when you open a file you get your own file descriptor, which is counted as a reference to that file by the filesystem layer in the OS. So when you delete the "file" (actually a link to the file), there is still a reference to the file, so the storage doesn't get deallocated yet
16:50<funkyHat>It's not necessarily in cache
16:51<adema>funkyHat, i used the cache in a general manner because i lack the correct vocabulary :)
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19:50<roberth1990>does jessie split configuration files for xorg?
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19:50<abrotman>it doesn't have any by default
19:50<roberth1990>like I can have a 20-intel.conf in xorg.conf.d?
19:51<roberth1990>and debian will read it
19:52<roberth1990>what are the files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
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19:52<abrotman>you can, yes ..
19:52<abrotman>or you can have one large one
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19:53<roberth1990>okay and they are store ander /usr/share? the ones I found are actual config files?
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19:56<abrotman>no, /etc/X11/
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20:19<roberth1990>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 the changelog for this package shows that it is based upon 3.16.7 why is the package versionend at 3.16.0?
20:19<sney>!freeze
20:19<dpkg>The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Jessie was frozen on November 5, 2014. Also ask me about <slushy>, <jessie freeze>.
20:19<sney>that includes version upgrades
20:20<roberth1990>yeah sure, but doesn't explain it
20:21<roberth1990>why not bump the version if it is practically speaking updated to that version?
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20:43<roberth1990>how do I disable pulseaudio?
20:44<SamB_laptop>roberth1990: any particular reason you want to do that?
20:45<roberth1990>SamB_laptop: yes, it sucks
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20:45<SamB_laptop>that's not a very particular reason
20:46<SamB_laptop>how does it suck?
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20:47<roberth1990>sound quality sucks, and I see no practical reason to use it otherwise
20:47<SamB_laptop>where is the sound coming from?
20:48<roberth1990>I rab systemctl disable pulseaudio and pulseaudio --kill, not sure if that prevents it from starting when I reboot
20:48<roberth1990>SamB_laptop: doesnt matter, it sucks anyway
20:48<SamB_laptop>though, I guess science does demand that you try without pulseaudio in order to determine if that's hurting things
20:48<roberth1990>I have always only used alsa
20:48<roberth1990>and when I try pulseaudio the sound quality just gets worse
20:49<roberth1990>seen other people complain about the same
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20:49<SamB_laptop>note that if you can come up with a concrete testcase you should probably report a bug
20:50<roberth1990>I dont see the point, I see no point getting pulseaudio to work for me anyway, I see no practical advantages etc, its just bloat to me
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21:07<roberth1990>hmmm I disabled pulseaudio, and I got sound with alsa, but when I rebooted, the sound is gone
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21:08<roberth1990>with both chromium and mpd
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21:09<roberth1990>the soundcard I am using is card 1, which I have defined in /etc/asound.conf.
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21:13<roberth1990>mpd says it failed to open audio output, while chromium just doesnt give any sound
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21:19<roberth1990>mpv say "Playback open error: Device or resource busy"
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21:21<SamB_laptop>roberth1990: note that pulseaudio doesn't normally run at the system level, but for a specific session
21:21<SamB_laptop>... whatever that means
21:21<roberth1990>sure
21:21<roberth1990>pulseaudio is completely removed
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21:27<roberth1990>brb, reboot
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23:04<Total>hello
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23:05<dvs>!ask
23:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:16<kowkary>gramp
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23:19<stud>hi
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23:24<twb>Anybody know offhand what is Recommends likely missing when GNOME/XFCE apps don't understand SVG icons?
23:24<twb>librsvg2-2 is installed.
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23:28<themill>,depends gnome-icon-theme
23:28<judd>Package gnome-icon-theme in wheezy/i386 -- depends: hicolor-icon-theme, libgtk-3-bin, librsvg2-common.
23:28<themill>twb: ^^ wild guess that is relevant
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23:29<themill>actually the description of librsvg2-common looks quite relevant. I have no idea why it's in a package called "-common" though... that makes it sound more like some config files
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23:30<twb>yep librsvg2-common was it
23:31<twb>I am used to asking for librsvg2-bin for CLI access, but I didn't realize -common wasn't being pulled in by a hard Depends
23:31<twb>Huh, that contains a single file: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-svg.so
23:32<themill>yeah, it's unusual that libfoo doesn't depend on libfoo-common and that libfoo-common contains an actual library. I think we have a different meaning of "common" here
23:33<twb>Nod
23:33<twb>you wanna file a grumpy ticket about that? I'm too lazy ;-)
23:37<themill>changing package names is also a nasty thing to do
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23:39<twb>No kidding
23:39<twb>I get annoyed about the inconsistency in e.g. -doc and -docs
23:40<twb>*But, I get ...
23:40<themill>yes
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23:45<MTecknology>I'm trying to run minecraft, but it's crashing. http://dpaste.com/3WAJPEK It seems this has something to do with driver support. My graphics card (http://dpaste.com/2NPNT1M). I see Intel provides drivers (https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/13815/Intel-Graphics-Drivers-for-Linux-), but I'm not sure which one is relevant. Any advice?
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23:52<centrx>MTecknology, I thought you could just install xserver-xorg-video-intel and Mesa GLX
23:53<MTecknology>centrx: i installed xserver-xorg-video-intel and the i915 driver seems to be in use. I don't know anything beyond that
23:57<MTecknology>I also have libgl1-mesa-glx installed, but I know nothing about glx
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23:59<centrx>Yeah I don't know
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