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00:14<ir0nsh007er>torrent link for : cloudy with a chance of meatballs vf 1 et 2 plz
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00:19<Vikinger>samba service is not starting
00:19<Vikinger>im not sure where to start
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00:23<somiaj>Vikinger: try to run it manually from a terminal. '/etc/init.d/samba start', look for errors. Look for errors in /var/log/samba look for samba logs, I belive they are somewhere)
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00:23<Vikinger>somiaj yes i see them
00:24<somiaj>Vikinger: well what are the errors? Google is usually good at locating them.
00:25<Vikinger>i know, thats why im here
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00:25<Vikinger>google didnt helped me
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00:28<Vikinger>it says, Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost:631 - Connection refused
00:29<Vikinger>and yes cups server is running
00:29<somiaj>Vikinger: so you can connect to localhost:631 from a webbrowser just fine?
00:29<Vikinger>no
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00:31<Vikinger>i tried to connect to machineIP:631 and i get FORBIDDEN
00:33<somiaj>Then that is your issue, sounds like the issue is with cups
00:33<somiaj>make sure you use localhost over machineIP, I don't think cups by default listens outside of localhost
00:33<Vikinger>it still shoudnt matter for samba
00:34<Vikinger>i also added in cupsd.conf, Listen 0.0.0.0:631
00:34<somiaj>Vikinger: the error you gave me you found says unable to connect to CUPS server and you verified you can't connect to it.
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00:34<Vikinger>how do i verify that ?
00:34<somiaj>I'm unsure if samba will actually not run or just give a warning if it cna't do that.
00:35<Vikinger>the port is open and listning
00:35<somiaj>when I asked, can you connect to localhost:631 with a webbrowser and you got 'forbidden', that means you can't connect to it.
00:35<Vikinger>yes
00:36<Vikinger>well i just fixed that, i can now connect to it :)
00:36<somiaj>so figure out why you can't connect to it. Forbidden sounds liek bad server configuration.
00:36<Vikinger>but samba still doesnt start
00:37<somiaj>I think only certain groups are allowed to connect to CUPS, make sure the samba user is in the group that is needed to connect to CUPS. I forget the actual group
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00:38<Vikinger>ill check
00:38<somiaj>type groups for your user, you'll see what groups you are in.
00:38<somiaj>also I would remove CUPS from listening on 0.0.0.0:631, best just keep it listening on localhost, don't need outside things influcing your cups
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00:40<Vikinger>ok
00:40<Vikinger>i cant figure the groups stuff, im on root
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00:41<somiaj>yea root has all privalges, one second
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00:46<Vikinger>ok
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00:51<somiaj>seems samba runs as root and then forks permissions depending on the user who logs in. I'm unsure why samba is not connecting to cups.
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00:52<Vikinger>somiaj do you where can i find further help ? This is a fresh amd64 install
00:52<Vikinger>i never had this before
00:53<somiaj>I use google. Maybe modify the smb.cnf file and comment out the printer stuff
00:54<Vikinger>ive tried that
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01:12<Vikinger>how to upgrade 32bits to 64bits, maitaining my /home structure and users
01:12<Vikinger>?
01:14<somiaj>Vikinger: upgrading the arch of the system is best done with a reinstall, keeping /home the same.
01:15<Vikinger>what about users and their passwords ?
01:15<somiaj>you can backup /etc/ and other configs. But changing the arch isn't a simple process because you have to change all your binaries.
01:15<somiaj>you can backup users with /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and /etc/groups
01:15<Vikinger>i did all of that except for shadow
01:16<somiaj>shadow is where the passwords are actually stored in most cases
01:16<Vikinger>i was just thinking if my samba problem could came from there, since i also copied smbd.conf and copied over
01:17<somiaj>note if the ids from debian get switched around during the install just copying your old passwd and groups file could cause file permission problems. I would double check the ids are the same, or just copy the info relevant to your users.
01:17<Vikinger>i did had to redo all the passwords
01:17<Vikinger>would this explain some problem with samba ?
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01:21<somiaj>it could be possible. Maybe you lost/gained or changed the id of the debian users and groups that get created when software is installed
01:22<Vikinger>i think i should do it all over again but instead of copying over passwd and groups just add users and their home to the new system
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01:23<somiaj>Vikinger: that is usually waht I do, debian reserves users to have uid 1000 and bigger, same with groups. So only copy over the uids and gids 1000+
01:23<somiaj>well as opposed to debian system vs local. Makes identifying which ones to copy easier
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01:25<Vikinger>do i really have to copy uids and gids 1000+ ? or is it enouth to just adduser -d
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01:29<somiaj>Vikinger: copying all the info about uids and gids also creates the users.
01:29<F4RR3L>Hello
01:29<F4RR3L>I've messed up my debian's grub
01:29<F4RR3L>its booting into a command line now lol
01:29<F4RR3L>I did that by upgrading to Jessie
01:29<somiaj>you could create the users and then just copy over the password info. Though I'd use the ids since if you backed up /home, the file system will want the old uids/gids
01:29<somiaj>!fixmbr
01:29<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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01:30<F4RR3L>I have a software RAID 1
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01:30<Vikinger>somiaj so you mean go into the file passwd and only copy the lines of the users i want ?
01:30<somiaj>then you need to provided info about the raid when you setup your chroot
01:31<somiaj>Vikinger: correct
01:31<somiaj>Vikinger: then copy the lines for the same users from both shadow and groups
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01:31<F4RR3L>Could you be able to instruct me?
01:32<F4RR3L>The recovery mode that I have here
01:32<somiaj>F4RR3L: I don't have any expeience with RAID, so I wouldn't be much more help than here is what you should do.
01:32<F4RR3L>is older grub
01:32<Vikinger>somiaj would it be ok to skip the shadow file ? (since i forgot to back it up)
01:32<F4RR3L>does it matter?
01:34<somiaj>Vikinger: shadow is where the passwords are stored. You need those for your user to login.
01:34<somiaj>F4RR3L: idea is the same, but yea grub-legacy may be slightly different to configure
01:34<Vikinger>somiaj i can then just redo the password then
01:35<somiaj>Vikinger: they will need a line in shadow, but yea just give them some blank line, and then redo the passwords.
01:35<somiaj>well some generic not blank line.
01:35<Vikinger>ok thank you
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01:39<F4RR3L>mount: can't find /boot/efi in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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01:40<somiaj>F4RR3L: are you using efi boot or legacy mbr boot. That might be were your issue is.
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01:40<F4RR3L>I have no idea what efi or legacy is
01:40<somiaj>I think that is where your issue is then. I would read up on them
01:41<somiaj>uefi boot is the new method of booting (basicaly a more mordern or replacement to bios)
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01:42<somiaj>legacy boot is teh traditional use the mbr (where grub hides) to boot. You need to use either grub-efi (sounds like how you have booted) or grub-pc depending on the method you need to boot. Also to recever in efi mode you need a live image that boots in efi, and visa versa.
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01:42<F4RR3L>I'm running rescue mode over PXE
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01:43<somiaj>sounds like your machine is booted in efi mode, that means during the recovery you need to mount the efi partition at /boot/efi inside your chroot youa re recovering
01:43<somiaj>again I would looke up the difference and make sure you know which method you want to use to boot.
01:43<F4RR3L>:S
01:44<F4RR3L>I'm pretty confused xD
01:45<somiaj>again look up the difference between efi and legacy boot. This is important when trying to recover grub. (and my guess is there was some issue with this during your upgrade)
01:45<F4RR3L>Yeah, I were rebooting
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01:45<F4RR3L>then suddenly had some issues booting into the OS
01:46<F4RR3L>read it was an UUID problem
01:46<F4RR3L>can't remember right now tho xD
01:46<F4RR3L>been tampering over it and then grub started booting in a command line mode :D
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01:48<F4RR3L>How the hell do I fix this without getting my OS reinstalled xD
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01:48<somiaj>F4RR3L: I told you, first figure out if your machine needs to boot into efi or legacy mode (many modern machines can do both, you have to choose one). Then fix grub to boot in the mode you want witha recovery image.
01:49<F4RR3L>How do I figure that out?
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01:49<somiaj>F4RR3L: go read up on what legacy and efi boot is and check what y our hardware supports.
01:50<F4RR3L>My hardware should support both
01:50<F4RR3L>i7 930, I'm pretty sure my motherboard supports uefi
01:50<somiaj>then configure it to use the one you want, and look up how to recover
01:51<somiaj>if you want to use uefi, you need an efi partition (with a gpt partitioh table) and it needs to be mounted at /boot/efi (your original error) to install grub sucessfully
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01:51<F4RR3L>Oooh.
01:51<F4RR3L>I know how this happened
01:51<F4RR3L>I've had my HDD replaced
01:52<F4RR3L>and then I had to format a new one to add it to the raid
01:52<F4RR3L>I've accidently made it a gpt
01:52<F4RR3L>and the sda was DOS/MBR
01:52<somiaj>yea a mirror they should be the same
01:52<somiaj>you can still boot mbr mode with a gpt partition, but you need an mbr partition in there
01:53<F4RR3L>fdisk -l returned GPT errors
01:53<F4RR3L>so I reformatted it to a MBR drive
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01:53<F4RR3L>both drives are now MBR
01:53<F4RR3L>what do u suppose I should do?
01:53<somiaj>fdisk cannot read gpt devices.
01:53<F4RR3L>Yeah
01:53<somiaj>so make sure you configure your system to boot in legacy mode, and make sure you boot from a legacy recovery
01:54<somiaj>debian images can be boot in either legacy or efi mode, be careful which one you boot into (effects recovery)
01:54<F4RR3L>How do I know whether I'm booted in legacy recovery? XD
01:54<F4RR3L>Its a disk booted from the network
01:55<somiaj>I don't have experience with PXE boot, but you can just disable efi boot in your bios that way you are positive it is legacy
01:55<somiaj>if both are configured you may see either a usb boot option or an efi boot option for the same disk
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01:55<F4RR3L>I can't do that
01:55<F4RR3L>Its a dedicated machine
01:55<F4RR3L>xD
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01:56<F4RR3L>Not something that's right by my side
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01:58<F4RR3L>grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
01:58<F4RR3L>returns
01:58<somiaj>F4RR3L: yea then you may have to wait until you can get someone next to it. Unsure what to do. But sounds like youare booted in efi when y ou need to be booted in legacy
01:58<F4RR3L>file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
01:58<somiaj>F4RR3L: are you doing this from the recovery system, or from the chroot of your system.
01:58<F4RR3L>chroot
01:59<F4RR3L>did everything !fixmbr showed
01:59<somiaj>well if you are booted in efi mode you can't recover an mbr boot and visa versa (as far as I know with out being very tricky)
02:00<F4RR3L>can I recover it from grub command line?
02:00<F4RR3L>somehow?
02:02<somiaj>I always fail when I try to do that.
02:02<somiaj>but yes I think you can manually use the grub command line to tell the system what to boot if grub can see it
02:06<F4RR3L>Any guides from the bot?
02:07<somiaj>not that i know, I'd use google, 'boot from grub command line'
02:09<F4RR3L>http://serverfault.com/questions/539068/grub-always-will-boot-to-grub-command-line
02:09<F4RR3L>might be my issue
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03:55<netman1>Hi All. Why isn't the Debian package system not completely "closed"? As in, every file accountable and all installed files checkable? I ran into trying to find out where /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi comes from...
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04:02<themill>netman1: it is except for the few times when it is not. The exceptions are few but only exist because they need to for some technical reason.
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04:11<F4RR3L>can someone help me fix my grub bootloader?
04:11<netman1>@themill: Thx, figured as much, and that would be a good reason locally (as in on a running system). But an incomplete administration going through packages.debian.org and apt-file is just awkward.
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05:09<themill>netman1: there's a long-standing request to provide a way for a package to register additional files that it is shipping with dpkg. That's still not going to let apt-file find them, but at least dpkg -S would know about it on your own machine.
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05:36<netman1>themill: care for the bug report/feature request number?
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05:46<tabi>Hi all! Can anyone help me installing fpit on debian wheezy? Is it possible? pls msg me if you know how thx
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05:51<netman1>tabi: link?
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06:27<musca>,bug rm xserver-xorg-input-fpit
06:27<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/612187 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: xserver-xorg-input-fpit -- ROM; unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-02-06; last modified: 2011-03-08.
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06:41<dutchfish>hi, is there anything i can read on the status of the RT kernel in debian jessie, or will there be an RT support before the release of jessie?
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06:44<mobbi|2>Hello, I'm running Debian 7.8 and I get Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908). I get sudo: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: command not found as this is what error message suggest me. VBOX support advised me to ask here as I'm not using official package from their website. Can you please assist me? Thanks.
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06:46<ixi>mobbi|2 pastebin the entire output and the command that you execute
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06:49<mobbi|2>http://paste.debian.net/165218 here it is
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06:50<ixi>mobbi|2 dpkg -l | grep virtual
06:50<ixi>pastebin
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06:52<mobbi|2>http://paste.debian.net/165219
06:52<ixi>mobbi|2 you are missing packages
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06:53<ixi>mobbi|2 as root: apt-get install virtualbox virtualbox-dkms
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06:55<mobbi|2>I installed it, should I resart something, I still get the error
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06:57<ixi>mobbi|2 as root: service virtualbox restart
06:57<ixi>if this still doesn't help, reboot
06:58<mobbi|2>nothing after the restart, i will reboot
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07:02<mobbi>After reboot - I got the same error in VirtualBox
07:04<ixi>mobbi ls /dev/v*
07:04<ixi>pastebin
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07:05<mobbi>ixi: http://paste.debian.net/165220/
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07:06<ixi>mobbi 1) id 2)ls -alh /dev/vbox*
07:06<ixi>pastebin
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07:08<mobbi>http://paste.debian.net/165221/
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07:09<ixi>mobbi as root: usermod -a -G vboxusers ognyan
07:09<ixi>and reboot
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07:15<mobbi>ixi: the same error after reboot
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07:16<ixi>mobbi what does 'modprobe vboxdrv' say
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07:17<mobbi>ixi: no message
07:17<ixi>mobbi try using virtualbox now
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07:19<mobbi>ixi: the same error
07:19<ixi>mobbi dpkg -l | grep linux
07:19<ixi>pastebin
07:20<mobbi>ixi: is it matter if I start VirtualBox from terminal or from KMenu?
07:20<ixi>should not matter
07:21<mobbi>ixi: http://paste.debian.net/165223/
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07:23<ixi>mobbi lsmod
07:23<ixi>(as root)
07:25<mobbi>ixi: http://paste.debian.net/165224/
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07:25<ixi>strange though
07:25<mobbi>yep
07:25<ixi>mobbi id; ls -alh /dev
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07:29<mobbi>ixi: http://paste.debian.net/165225/
07:30<ixi>mobbi id as non-root; aslo, 'apt-cache policy virtualbox'
07:30<ixi>laso*
07:30<ixi>also*
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07:32<mobbi>ixi: http://paste.debian.net/165227/
07:34<ixi>well one thing that looks suspicious is root:root ownership on /dev/vboxdrv
07:34<ixi>aside from that I'm out of ideas
07:34<mobbi>ixi: should I reinstall the app?
07:35<ixi>if you have installed it from debian repo in the first place, there is no point
07:36<mobbi>vbox team is advising me to install it from website and don't want to support me if I go from the repos
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07:38<ixi>mobbi as non-root: vboxmanage list vms
07:38<ixi>pastebin complete output
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07:39<mobbi>ixi: http://paste.debian.net/165233/
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07:41<ixi>mobbi now as non-root: vboxmanage startvm --type headless mint
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07:42<mobbi>ixi: http://paste.debian.net/165234/
07:43<ixi>mobbi that's all?
07:43<ixi>no more output from that?
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07:44<mobbi>no more
07:45<ixi>mobbi can you test if you can create a new VM in virtualbox GUI ?
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07:45<ixi>new VM from scratch
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07:46<mobbi>Now I see something different - in Version/Settings it saying this is 32bit Linux and I'm trying to run 64bit. As I cannot choose 64 bit in VBox I will download 32 bit CD and will test. Sure.
07:47<ixi>mobbi wait, what
07:47<ixi>your VM is 32bit?
07:47<mobbi>I see from the dropdown menu I can only choose 32 bit
07:48<ixi>mobbi what does 'uname -a' say
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07:48<mobbi>ixi: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
07:49<mobbi>My Debian is 64bit and I downloaded 64bit ver of the live CD
07:50<ixi>mobbi can you answer my question before that
07:50<mobbi>ixi: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
07:50<ixi>mobbi no before that
07:51<ixi>test if you can create a new VM from scratch
07:51<ixi>new 64bit vm.
07:51<mobbi>ok, wait
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07:52<mobbi>No, All Linux versions are 32 bit versions from the option menu
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07:54<ixi>mobbi 'file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox'
07:54<ixi>what does that say
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07:55<mobbi>ixi: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: setuid setgid ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x9eda1c74e2add90b341d769672f84a6ffd556d74, stripped
07:56<ixi>well, this is weird :)
07:56<mobbi>Probably this is 32 bit ver app and I need to install 64 bit ver. In Apper I see that Vbox (that is installes) is 64bit architecture
07:56<mobbi>exactly
07:56<ixi>mobbi
07:56<ixi>do not use apper
07:56<ixi>or any other crap front end
07:56<ixi>if you need to install software, use apt-get
07:56<ziGuy>Hey Guys. I'm trying to install teamviewer on wheezy 64 bit. Anyone mind helping me?
07:56<ziGuy>http://paste.debian.net/165237/
07:57<mobbi>ixi: probably I will reinstall the app and will try
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07:57<ixi>ziGuy apt-get -f install instead of the install ia32-libs
07:57<mig2>ss
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07:58<ixi>mobbi yes, try that. 'apt-get purge ' every virtualbox-related package from dpkg -l | grep virtualbox, then reinstall (apt-get install virtualbox virtualbox-qt virtualbox-dkms)
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07:58<ziGuy>ixi: "Removing teamviewer ..." what's next?
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08:01<ixi>ziGuy I can't really help I think; my experience with this stuff is from long time ago and from debian unstable; and it amounted to 1) dpkg -i 2) apt-get -f install
08:02<ziGuy>thank you ixi. Anyone else have any idea?
08:03<valdyn>ziGuy: why do you have conflicting versions there? your system is not up to date...
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08:04<valdyn>ziGuy: native and foreign arch packages need to have same versions (apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade)
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08:06<ziGuy>valdyn: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
08:06<ziGuy>"
08:07<valdyn>ziGuy: show your sources.list please
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08:07<valdyn>judd: versions libcomerr2
08:07<judd>Package: libcomerr2 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.41.12-4stable1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.41.12-4+deb6u2; wheezy: 1.42.5-1.1; wheezy-security: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; sid: 1.42.12-1.1; jessie: 1.42.12-1.1
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08:07<ixi>inb4 derivative
08:07<ixi> :)
08:07<ziGuy>http://paste.debian.net/165240/
08:08<valdyn>ziGuy: remove the # from line 14
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08:09<valdyn>ziGuy: and to avoid future problems replace "stable" in lines 4-5 with "wheezy"
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08:18<mobbi>ixi: After I reinstalled via command line - all is working fine with mint but not with ubuntu VM (error - "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU. Unable to boot – please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU"), it seems I need to activate Enable Intel VT-x/AMD-V from BIOS. Thank you for your support!!!
08:19<ziGuy>Valdyn - you are the BEST! thank you.
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08:20<pmart>A question which haunts me recently: if the loading initramfs to memory for kernel to use is the job of bootloader then why initrd=/path/to/initrd.img appears on kernel cmdline?
08:20<valdyn>pmart: but it does not
08:21<ixi>np mobbi
08:21<pmart>valdyn: so how it works then?
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08:22<ixi>mobbi and again, for future, if you need to perform operations with packages, use apt-get or aptitude
08:22<valdyn>pmart: it works as you thought it does work, the initrd=foo never appears on kernel command line
08:22<ixi>because the GUI frontends tend to screw you over
08:22<ixi>like you have experienced now
08:23<mobbi>ixi: yes, I see, thanks for the great help
08:24<pmart>valdyn: hmm, that might be correct. I'm currently booted through efi stub so it does appear but this is expected
08:25<valdyn>pmart: cat /proc/cmdline
08:25<valdyn>PaulePanter: its not there
08:25<valdyn>oops
08:25<pmart>since in this case it's the kernel job to find initrd in EFI System Partition
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08:26<veltasV>443MB sink after autoremove
08:27<veltasV>Sometimes I wonder where it all went
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10:00<tabi>Hi there! My lame question is: how do i make .ko from .so file I mean how can I get fpit_drv.so usable with modprobe or insmod? thx and sorry for my lameness :)
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10:03<towo`>a library will never become a kernel-module
10:03<tabi>i see but this was the result of a make install process
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10:04<towo`>and?
10:04<tabi>i need is to work as a module i suppose and have no idea how to do that
10:05<towo`>and?
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10:05<towo`>as long as you not say, what are you doing, no one will be abble to say anything usefull
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10:06<tabi>trying to get a tc1000 pen working under weezy
10:06<tabi>and it needs fpit
10:06<ixi>what you have build is probably the X server driver
10:06<tabi>yes
10:07<ixi>maybe you need to configure your makefile
10:07<ixi>to tell it what to build
10:07<ixi>tell it you want also kernel module
10:07<ixi>(mind you I'm just guessing here)
10:07<blast007>"fpit is an Xorg input driver for Fujitsu Stylistic Tablet PCs."
10:07<tabi>thanx but how can i do that in the makefile?
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10:08<ixi>tabi looks like it's not a kernel module at all from what blast007 said
10:08<ixi>what makes you think that it is?
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10:10<tabi>some tutorials told it has to be loaded in /ect/modules as fpit
10:10<blast007>there is also a 'xserver-xorg-input-fpit' package in sid that you could probably backport and build
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10:12<tabi>thx I'll give a try
10:12<blast007>nvm, seems that package was only for m68k architecture
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10:13<ixi>tabi what kind of hardware are you trying to get to work?
10:13<tabi>compaq tc1000
10:13<tabi>it has fujitsu stylus also
10:14<blast007>in any case, the info here may be relevant or at least give you an idea of what to look for: http://linux.die.net/man/4/fpit
10:15<tabi>thanks
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11:07<jathan>Hello UberKiller.
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11:19<Fily>so i have a wifi card and yep i would like to use it on debian
11:19<Fily>what steps should i take
11:20<mtn>Fily: first, go read the debian wiki on wireless
11:20<Fily>ok
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12:27<awal>How to name 'control right' and 'super right' touch's in config files when creating keyboard shortcuts? 'Control_R' and 'Super_L'?
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12:30<awal>I'm a bit confused because usually one just write 'Alt' if one want use the 'control left' key, but with Xev I get 'Control_L' for control left and 'Control_R' for control right
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12:32<SynrG>uh, what?
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12:33<SynrG>i don't know where you get your "usually" from. Alt_L is left alt, Alt_R is right alt, Control_L is left control, Control_R is right control. it's all very sensible
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12:33<SynrG>in what universe is Alt == 'left control'?
12:34<awal>also, for Ctrl Gr, in the web people define it as Control-Gr but with Xev I get it as 'ISO_Level3_Shift'
12:34<awal>SynrG: sorry confused, I mean Ctrl, not Alt
12:34<SynrG>well, of course there are left and right control keys in modern keyboards ...
12:35<SynrG>maybe you're thinking of a classic 101 key layout? or ...
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12:35<SynrG>but i think even the 101 had two control keys
12:36<awal>SynrG: what I mean is: I want use Ctrl right in gnome or fluxbox for open terminal 'ctrl + t' , should I name it as 'Control_R'?
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12:37<SynrG>oh, well if you're talking about what *desktops* and WMs call these, i don't know
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12:37<SynrG>for all i know, they might consider the left and right equivalent
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12:37<SynrG>i guess consult the doc for whichever software you're configuring
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12:38<SynrG>i wouldn't count on there being a one-to-one correspondence with the output of Xev
12:38<Fily>ok problem
12:38<Fily>http://linux-wless.passys.nl/
12:39<SynrG>would you please describe your problem. i don't click random links
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12:39<Fily>so i got Wireless 1510 and this site is suppose to show if my card is "supported"
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12:40<Fily>basicly i need driver for my wireless card
12:40<awal>SynrG: omg, thanks, I had no that idea, effectively both gnome and fluxbox consider Control_L, Control_R and Alt_L, Alt_R as equivalent. Ok, problem solved, thanks
12:40<SynrG>what's "wireless 1510"?
12:40<Fily>wi fi card
12:40<SynrG>...
12:40<SynrG>i'm not that stupid
12:41<SynrG>awal: np
12:41<Fily>well it's suppose to be it's name or something
12:41<Fily>;-)
12:41<SynrG>Fily: lspci -nn |grep -i network
12:41<SynrG>yeah. so vague i haven't a clue what hardware you're referring to
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12:45<Fily>ok
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12:45<SynrG>Fily: so can you get me the output of the command i asked for?
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12:45<SynrG>without it, not much i can say
12:45<Fily>04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
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12:45<Fily>basicly on that site there is not even listed my wi fi
12:46<SynrG>,pciid [14e4:4315]
12:46<Fily>so i guess i cant have wi fi on debian
12:46<judd>[14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
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12:46<SynrG>!bcm4312
12:46<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
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12:47<SynrG>Fily: short answer, yes, you're supported.
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12:48<Fily>wow nice
12:48<SynrG>Fily: "marketing" names of cards are useless
12:48<SynrG>you don't use those to try to determine support
12:48<Fily>ok
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12:48<Fily>thank you for your great help
12:48<SynrG>np. and good luck
12:48<SynrG>(for broadcom, you'll need it :p )
12:49<SynrG>broadcom cards are a royal pain in the posterior
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13:23<Kowal>please tell me that debian for 100% sure have not any NSA/other spies backdoors
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13:23<Kowal>anyone can tell me this?
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13:24<Kowal>if its sure for 100%?
13:24<F4RR3L>Yes it is
13:24<F4RR3L>Debian doesn't sell out data to other services
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13:24<F4RR3L>Debian is safer than Windows, you do know that?
13:24<Kowal>man...
13:24<Kowal>windows? xD
13:24<Kowal>1000000000000000 backdoors prepared by NSA/other spies?
13:24<F4RR3L>What do you use?
13:25<Kowal>now me use windows
13:25<Kowal>but im aware
13:25<F4RR3L>lmfao
13:25<Kowal>im carefully using :S
13:25<F4RR3L>Win 8?
13:25<Kowal>7
13:25<Kowal>ultimare
13:25<F4RR3L>Half of what you search in the market is cached
13:25<Kowal>ultimate*
13:25<F4RR3L>Well the updates it self then ^
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13:26<Kowal>yes, but im not sure if its secure for 100%
13:26<Kowal>you know
13:26<Kowal>sometimes
13:26<Kowal>but >>> some
13:26<Kowal>mhm.
13:26<Kowal>i wanted to make special canal to research any backdoors
13:27<F4RR3L>Also, lets not forget windows locks file permissions if its in the memory
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13:27<F4RR3L>Debian performs much better Server software wise
13:28-!-mode/#debian [+l 727] by debhelper
13:28<Kowal>thats right, but bro tell me its 100% sure, or maybe 99.9999999999999999% sure?
13:28<blast007>if a government agency really wanted to specifically target you, it wouldn't really matter what operating system you ran...
13:28<Kowal>what you think bro
13:28<Kowal>thats right, gov. they inject ip their addresses to somebody else IP's i know them crooks
13:29<F4RR3L>lol
13:29<F4RR3L>Goverment doesn't need to inject anything
13:29<F4RR3L>to spy on you
13:29<Kowal>so they looking at me from satellite?
13:29<F4RR3L>Lol
13:29<F4RR3L>Are you high? :D
13:29<Kowal>satellite with 10000 mgpx caemra :D
13:29<blast007>in any case, I don't think this is really a debian support issue
13:30<F4RR3L>same
13:30<F4RR3L>I think he's high tho
13:30<F4RR3L>perhaps you could try the #drugs channel? xD
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13:30<Kowal>bro im not :S i need make special channel, i can pay % to everybode who can research backdoors in anything
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13:31<Kowal>i can pay $100.000 not $1000
13:31<Kowal>you are talking with smith fate - im smith fate, fate smith
13:31<F4RR3L>Lol, yeah right
13:32<Kowal>thats right, but you was wrong
13:32<Kowal>when you said:
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13:32<Kowal>"yes! yes! 100% debian secured, no backdoors!"
13:33<F4RR3L>Only stupid users aren't secure
13:33<F4RR3L>My computer always boots quickly and works swiftly
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13:33<Fily>how do i start network manager it doe snot start via terminal nor i can not find it in my bar with programs lol
13:33<F4RR3L>Perhaps you could stop downloading porn
13:34<Fily>ah stop omg it was under polish name..
13:34<Kowal>im PL :D
13:34<Apollo>!ops Kowal Troll in the house
13:34<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: apollo complains about: Kowal Troll in the house
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13:35<Kowal>no no, please im no troll.. bro?
13:35<Kowal>its just my mind..
13:35<Kowal>sorry, i will never do it again.
13:36<Kowal>i just wanted to know something, cuz i want make network with my mafia and we need to be 100% secure
13:37<F4RR3L>Kowal
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13:37<F4RR3L>y u trippin bro?
13:37<Kowal>how i can apologize for my " troll " -.-, i can help you tell me how can i help?
13:37<Kowal>i can help
13:37<Kowal>anyone tell me i can help
13:37<Myon>can we just shut up and get on with life?
13:37<Kowal><Fily> - i can help you wait
13:38<Kowal>i just trying figure it
13:38<ixi>there is #moocows channel for social I beleive
13:38<ixi>aslo #debian-social maybe
13:38<ixi>this one is for support of stable
13:38<Kowal>yes please ban me, im troll, im trying help <Fily> now, :S
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13:40<awal>Fily: what you mean by start network manager?
13:41<awal>the daemon?
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13:42<awal>or you're looking for a gui interface for manage your internet connection?
13:42<Fily>i got it
13:42<Fily>im basicly fighting now to make working wi fi
13:43<awal>which DE/WM you are using?
13:44<ixi>Fily here is how I do it https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
13:44<ixi>it works fine for simple setup.
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13:46<Fily>im using network-manager or at least i tried
13:46<F4RR3L>I've created a partition with fdisk
13:47<F4RR3L>Its set to Extended
13:47<F4RR3L>how do I mount it?
13:47<F4RR3L>it says I need to give type param
13:47<F4RR3L>which I'm not sure what param should I give
13:47<ixi>to mount it, it must have a filesystem
13:47<ixi>create a filesystem on it first
13:47<ixi>with one of mkfs.* commands
13:48<ixi>also you might consider using LVM
13:48<ixi>it's a useful thing to have, always
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14:02<waspper>Hello guys... I have a 16GB stick. I used it to install an OS to a laptop. Now, I formated it as NTFS, but it seems to work too slow. Is NTFS a good FS for shared drives (Win, Linux, Mac), or is there a different FS for them? (Like HPFS)
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14:33<jhutchins>waspper: A lot of them are fat12; vfat works.
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14:35<jhutchins>waspper: Just checked mine and it's fat32
14:35<F4RR3L>Hey
14:35<F4RR3L>one question
14:35<F4RR3L>anyone knows anything about HDD recovery?
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14:35<ixi>what tool can I use from a livecd to mount debian partition and check integrity of files? eg. so that every binary on system is in the state that's known to package manager, and there is no unknown binary files ?
14:37<jhutchins>!debsums
14:37<dpkg>from memory, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>.
14:37<BradyForM>ixi, chroot ?
14:37<ixi>hm, debsums might be it
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14:38<jhutchins>ixi: only valid after it's been installed and run if I understand it correctly. Kinda like tripwire.
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14:55<stefan_>canonical
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15:00<critical1>best place to get packaging help?
15:01<ixi>#debian-mentors
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15:12<awal>How to make iceweasel toolbar and tabbar thinner?
15:13<awal>in previous versions one can change icon size in toolbar but now that feature isn't present anymore :(
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16:00<F4RR3L>Hey guys
16:00<F4RR3L>what's the best tool for data recovery?
16:00<F4RR3L>I've re-created the HDD's partitions and booted from it
16:01<F4RR3L>its in RAID1 state
16:01<F4RR3L>Is it possible to recover old files from it?
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16:06<awal>F4RR3L: are you refering maybe to something like tesdisk, scalpel...?
16:08<F4RR3L>yes
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16:08<F4RR3L>I've had my OS reinstalled and drives formatted
16:08<jelly>F4RR3L: make an identical copy of the disks' contents on fresh media before writing anything more on them.
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16:08<jelly>OS reinstalled... on the very same disks?
16:08<F4RR3L>yes
16:08<F4RR3L>It formatted my entire drive
16:08<jelly>that was dumb, but the damage is done
16:09<F4RR3L>Well.. the drive was damaged anyway
16:09<jelly>so you wrote some more.
16:09<F4RR3L>yep
16:09<F4RR3L>:D
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16:11<awal>F4RR3L: I used testdisk/photorec and I usually recover 90% of my data
16:11<awal>more info https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
16:11<F4RR3L>I have the most necessary backups
16:11<F4RR3L>but I'm kinda too lazy to re-configure everything..
16:11<F4RR3L>So I want to restore configuration files mostly
16:11<F4RR3L>The drive is currently in usage state
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16:11<jelly>seeing as old filesystem metadata will be hard to recover now, you can only use magic-number detection tools like photorec
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16:12<jelly>heh
16:12<ixi>needles, haystack
16:12<ixi>gl
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16:15<F4RR3L>sorry
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16:18<musca>yes, photorec will ignore any filesystem structure (either old or new). This tool seems to be a reasonable choice. You will need another disk to store the findings.
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16:21<awal>F4RR3L: depending on how big is your drive and how many times you formatted it; photorec will be recovering during minutes/hours or maybe days. your restore disk should be biiig if any...
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16:50<Credendo>Have a bit of a newbie question with the Gnome not asking for root credentials after joining my fresh debian wheezy server to my windows AD domain
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16:53<Credendo>Anyone here that could assist, or should I go to a different channel?
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16:57<valdyn>Credendo: you joined samba to the ad domain?
16:57<Credendo>yes
16:57<valdyn>Credendo: that does not make anything else join
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16:58<valdyn>Credendo: it does not behave like windows does
16:58<Credendo>I followed the instructions located here
16:58<Credendo>http://www.digitalllama.net/2013/05/join-debian-wheezy-to-windows-active.html
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16:59<valdyn>Credendo: that howto sets nsswitch to "compat winbind"
16:59<valdyn>Credendo: so you can still log in with the local credentials
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17:00<valdyn>Credendo: and when you run "getent passwd" you should see both, local and ad users
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17:00<valdyn>Credendo: correct? is that would you are seeing?
17:00<Credendo>and I can log in with local credentials, but within gnome if I try to do anything that requires superuser authentication gnome does not prompt for root authentication
17:01<valdyn>Credendo: so?
17:01<valdyn>Credendo: is that new?
17:01<Credendo>and any software package I try to add via the built in Add/Remove Software fails
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17:02<valdyn>Credendo: you're logging in with local credentials ok, but that has nothing to do with the other stuff
17:02<Credendo>No I'm logging in with AD credentials
17:02<valdyn>Credendo: maybe you can do all this stuff because you set sudo to NOPASSWD
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17:02<valdyn>Credendo: did you do pam config as suggested in that howto?
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17:04<Credendo>I'm sorry I may be unclear the issue is that neither Local accounts, nor AD accounts that have been granted superuser will allow me to access superuser roles in gnome
17:04<Credendo>Yes the PAM config was changed as indicated
17:05<rylanx>hi all. novice here with a quick question about partitioning with seperate var usr and tmp
17:05<valdyn>Credendo: ad cannot make you superuser
17:05<valdyn>Credendo: if your id is not zero, then you are not root
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17:06<valdyn>Credendo: now: what is the id? (type id in a terminal), what *exactly* can or can you not do?
17:07<Credendo>My uuid of the id?
17:07<valdyn>Credendo: i dont care about the uuid
17:07<valdyn>Credendo: you type "id" in a terminal to see your id
17:07<Credendo>I've done that
17:07<valdyn>Credendo: ...and?
17:08<valdyn>Credendo: its not zero?
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17:08<Credendo>it returns a number of group memberships, mostly AD groups
17:08<valdyn>Credendo: the first value is the uid, thats the user id, thats not uuid
17:09<Credendo>Ahh extra u yes. it is non zero
17:09<valdyn>Credendo: if you dont have "sudo" in that list, then you probably cannot to superuser stuff
17:09<valdyn>Credendo: (assuming sudo is even installed)
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17:10<valdyn>Credendo: alternatively sudo could be configured to give that user permissions directly
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17:11<Credendo>with that account I am able to issue the command sudo visudo. Would that indicate sudo permission?
17:11<valdyn>Credendo: yes
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17:11<Credendo>ok and in visudo I see my user account, with ALL=(ALL) ALL
17:12<Credendo>is that correct?
17:12<valdyn>Credendo: ok, dont need to be in the group then
17:12<valdyn>Credendo: yes
17:13<valdyn>Credendo: now whats your problem? Only that the add/remove software thing does not work?
17:13<Credendo>I can sudo apt-get from command line, but within gnome, if I do anything that requires sudo access, it will fail
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17:15<valdyn>Credendo: this stuff is totally unrelated to your original question about ad
17:16<valdyn>Credendo: do you get an error message?
17:16<Credendo>No error message, and this is the primary error I'm seeing
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17:17<valdyn>Credendo: run "gnome-software" (no sudo) in a terminal, see if you get an error in that terminal
17:18<rylanx>anybody know why the root partition is so small with guided partition?
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17:18<Credendo>command not found
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17:18<valdyn>judd: versions gnome-software
17:19<judd>Package: gnome-software on i386 -- sid: 3.14.2-1
17:19<valdyn>uh
17:19<valdyn>Credendo: ok, trying to see what that is in your debian release....
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17:19<valdyn>Credendo: "gnome-packagekit" maybe
17:20<Credendo>nope command not found as well
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17:21<Credendo>apt-cache search for gnome-software returned nothing
17:21<valdyn>Credendo: "gpk-application"
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17:22<Credendo>that returns gnome-packagekit
17:23<valdyn>Credendo: hmm? does it start? is that the program you wanted?
17:23<Credendo>No I get command not found
17:23<valdyn>Credendo: tried to run "gpk-application" ?
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17:25<valdyn>https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-packagekit/stable/add-remove.html.en
17:25<valdyn>Credendo: is that it ^^?
17:25<Credendo>that did it. Loads immediately without warning. This list of applications is there, when I choose a package to install, it prompts to install the dependencies and then returns to the main screen without error
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17:25<Credendo>Yes thats it
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17:26<valdyn>Credendo: i dont know why you couldnt start it before
17:26<Credendo>I'm sorry I'm not being clear
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17:26<Credendo>the software does start, but any attempt to install a package fails without error
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17:28<valdyn>Credendo: try the same with "sudo"
17:28<valdyn>Credendo: i mean "sudo gpk-application"
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17:29<Credendo>and that installed a package
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17:33<Credendo>However any other gnome application that would require sudo access does not function within gnome. For example the network settings cannot be modified unless I log in to gnome as root
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17:34<valdyn>Credendo: yea, i see the problem, you could run those things with sudo though, but of course thats less convenient
17:35<brentaarnold>what is the most commonly/widely accepted fingerprint scanner driver/software for Debian 7?
17:35<brentaarnold>I'm trying to log in via fingerprint on my Lenovo X61-T
17:36<valdyn>Credendo: when did you reboot last?
17:36<Credendo>about an hour ago
17:36<valdyn>Credendo: did things work before that?
17:37<Credendo>no
17:37<Credendo>I've set up multiple debian servers using that guide and each have had this occur
17:37<valdyn>Credendo: that guide has got nothing to do with it as far as i can see
17:38<valdyn>Credendo: run "sudo pam-auth-update" - see anything suspicius there?
17:38<rylanx>im curious about the fingerprint scanner question too. my understanding is that it has never been possible. i just never use mine with debian.
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17:39<Credendo>It said something about the local files having been modified and did I want to use them. Should I say yes?
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17:40<valdyn>Credendo: i hope you didnt mangle /etc/pam.d/common-session
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17:42<valdyn>Credendo: you should let pam-auth-update modify it and then you should only need to add "session required pam_mkhomedir.so umask=0022 skel=/etc/skel" after the last line
17:42<valdyn>Credendo: if you really wanted that
17:42<jstewart>brentaarnold: rylanx: The fingerprint reader can be made to work, depending on the model you have. I'd check out the list of readers on ThinkWiki and match it up to what you get when querying lsusb on your model to determine whether your reader is supported.
17:43<Credendo>This is my common-sessions file
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17:43<jstewart>Most either work with ThinkFinger or FPrint. I'm not sure what the policy is on posting external links here, but I hope that this doesn't break any rules. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Integrated_Fingerprint_Reader
17:43<Credendo>http://pastebin.com/PRy0ZpvB
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17:44<valdyn>Credendo: should be ok
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17:46<rylanx>jstewart: thanks for the link. indeed my model appears supported.
17:46<valdyn>Credendo: are you sitting in front of that machine physically btw?
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17:47<Credendo>Well it's a virtual machine, so as in front of it as that goes
17:47<jstewart>Happy I could help! :)
17:47<valdyn>Credendo: ok, thats goog enough
17:47<Credendo>I'm accessing it through an xrdp session
17:47<valdyn>Credendo: "ps aux | grep polkit"
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17:48<valdyn>Credendo: you using remote access *may* be the problem
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17:49<Credendo>http://pastebin.com/bQFh4RXQ
17:49<valdyn>Credendo: that is not one hour
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17:50<valdyn>Credendo: that process is running for days....
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17:50<brentaarnold>jstewart: Thanks
17:50<Credendo>Different server
17:50<Credendo>hold on
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17:50<valdyn>Credendo: well, its also a very different user, not a local one
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17:52<Credendo>Actually now that I switch over to the vsphere client console I am indeed able to log in to the apps correctly
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17:52<valdyn>Credendo: so - it works locally but not remotely.
17:52<Credendo>Yeah
17:52<valdyn>Credendo: thats what i would expect, but i dont know if that xrdp counts as remote
17:52<valdyn>Credendo: well, now i know it does
17:53<valdyn>Credendo: read: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/27630/enabling-system-management-privileges-for-non-local-users-how-the-heck-does-p
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17:54<valdyn>ill be happy when this shite goes away, and logind does that
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17:55<canaima>quiero folla
17:55<Credendo>So basically polkit is horrible?
17:56<valdyn>Credendo: probably not, but the config is opaque to me
17:56<Credendo>Fair enough. At least I have a reasonable workaround
17:56<Credendo>I appreciate your help
17:56<valdyn>Credendo: you can change the config as explained behind that link
17:57<valdyn>Credendo: or just work around it, of course
17:57<canaima>quien quiere seo duro
17:57<Credendo>I will have to give it a try to see if it works for me.
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17:57<canaima>sexo durito
17:57<Credendo>Fortunately the work day is completing and I'm free!
17:57<canaima>dame culo oara mamatarte la bajina
17:57<Credendo>Dunno how I ended up a linux admin. I'm a friggan network engineer. I got into this field to AVOID sysadmin
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17:58<valdyn>Credendo: you should be using apt-get and / or aptitude
17:58<valdyn>Credendo: the gui tools are not decent
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17:58<Credendo>I'm setting these boxes up as demos for different monitoring solution like nagios and icinga
17:59<Credendo>yeah that's been my primary tool
17:59<Credendo>just was a frustration I couldn't run the update tool to get the update packages
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18:00<Credendo>anyways thanks again for the help.
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18:00<Credendo>I'm heading home
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18:06<rylanx>well, here goes a manual partition scheme...
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18:48<Samouy>hello there , I am looking for a way to automatically connect to my VPN , once I connect to a (new) Wi-Fi
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18:49<Samouy>I tested an nm dispatcher script but not worked
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19:01<Funambuli>a pair of questions
19:01<Funambuli> how do i remove the ppa repositories at the shell
19:01<Funambuli> and wich file allocates them?
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19:02<Funambuli>thanks
19:03<devil>Funambuli: you probably want to ask on ubuntu
19:03<Funambuli>no
19:03<Funambuli>devil: i'm asking on debian
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19:04<devil>well, if you have ppas on debian, you live dangerous
19:04<Funambuli>i don't know if i made a mistake
19:04<Funambuli>sure
19:04<Funambuli>i made it
19:04<Funambuli>but just for testing kodi
19:04<devil>they should be in sources.list.d/foo
19:04<Funambuli>taking a look
19:04<devil>kodi is in debian
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19:05<Funambuli>not at wheezy
19:05<Funambuli>is xbmc eden
19:05<devil>hm, not in unstable yet either
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19:07<Funambuli>thanks a lot
19:07<Funambuli>it's done
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19:08<rylanx>well my manual partition scheme failed does anyone know if 500MB is too small for a root partition?
19:08<Funambuli>it seem that we'll have to get a dual boot with kodi appart
19:08<devil>rylanx: for debian?
19:08<Funambuli>i think so
19:08<Funambuli>with openelec
19:09<devil>put it on a rpi2
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19:09<rylanx>devil: yes debian. it seems to be the default when i select seperate var usr tmp and home partitions.
19:09<Funambuli>i've got it 2 years ago on it
19:09<Funambuli>but i move with my laptop
19:10<Funambuli>not with my 3.14
19:10<devil>rylanx: never used separate partitions, not even 10 yerars ago, when it was recommended
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19:11<Funambuli>i use them (separated partitions)
19:11<Funambuli>and i think it works better than just one
19:11<devil>I have no usecase for them
19:11<devil>Funambuli: in what way?
19:11<Funambuli>format when u are learning is easier
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19:11<devil>hah
19:11<rylanx>devil: maybe i'll just go back to the tried and true single partition plus home
19:12<Funambuli>why we shouldnt use them?
19:12<devil>Funambuli: I am not saying that, just don't see any advantage nowadays
19:13<devil>the size of harddisks used to be a reason to do that in the early days
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19:13<Funambuli>well if u are downloading a lot
19:13<Funambuli>u can collapse the system
19:13<devil>then?
19:13<devil>collapse?
19:13<Funambuli>and get a wrong response
19:13<Funambuli>sorry
19:13<Funambuli>it get slow
19:13<devil>I don't understand
19:14<devil>why?
19:14<Funambuli>let me think it in english
19:14<devil>what gets slow?
19:14<Funambuli>if u get everload at the hdd
19:14<devil>you mean when it gets full?
19:14<Funambuli>u cannot get even the x
19:15<Funambuli>full hdd
19:15<devil>well, that is your fault
19:15<Funambuli>sure
19:15<Funambuli>and i get the cure before the pain
19:15<rylanx>i understood that tmp could fill up if you are running a mailserver or http server. i am just trying an http server for the first time.
19:17<Funambuli>i'm not so advanced as for getting a limit on the hdd without the partitions, so for me is better in that way
19:17<Funambuli>anyway i'll take a look at it
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19:17<Funambuli>devil: thanks a lot for the ppas
19:17<Funambuli>seeu guys
19:17<devil>np
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19:34<rylanx>im not giving up on manual partition yet ;)
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20:40<mjolnir40k>Hi! I have an installation of Jessie that is showing what appears to be a non-functional reboot button on the GNOME 3 "user menu" (the one that pulls down from the upper right). I'm wondering how to get rid of that button since the power button actually has the reboot action on it.
20:41<somiaj>mjolnir40k: better to ask in #debian-next. Maybe someone more familar with gnome than I has an idea. There are also places for more direct gnome support.
20:42<mjolnir40k>@somiaj: Fair enough, I'll check. Thanks!
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20:42<somiaj>mjolnir40k: but you can't just say 'edit' your pannel and add/remove modules/pieces that you don't want?
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21:33<mjolnir40k>that seems to have not made a difference
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22:12<rylanx>well i found the solution to my partitioning problems seemed to be a uefi boot partition the guided installer was making. just did manual without the boot partition. it's been a long weird day..
22:14<dvs>rylanx: I thought a boot partition was mandatory for uefi.
22:14<dvs>oh, that's a partition table.
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22:16<somiaj>yea I think he means he is doing legacy boot.
22:16<dvs>ah
22:17<somiaj>sounds like it is using gpt as the default
22:17<rylanx>yep ended up switching to legacy in BIOS.
22:17<rylanx>what's gpt?
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22:18<dvs>!gpt
22:18<dpkg>GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/
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22:19<somiaj>rylanx: the new partition format that not only allows partitions > 2TB, but is needed for efi.
22:20<rylanx>okay good i dont need either of those thanka somiaj
22:20<somiaj>has some other nice features, no more only 4 primary paritions and stuff like that.
22:20<somiaj>makes it easier for multiples oses to live side by side and be bootable (kinda takes away the need for a master bootmanager like mbr)
22:21<somiaj>i.e. the '
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22:21<somiaj>the 'bios' can boot an os directally via its info on the efi partition.
22:21<rylanx>i have something strange with my system then because i have more than 4 Primaries.
22:21<rylanx>and i have an mbr..
22:22<somiaj>no in mbr, one of your primaries can be extended, so many of your partitions may actually be 'extneded' partitions
22:22<dvs>rylanx: You cannot have more than four PRIMARY partitions.
22:22<somiaj>so one of your partitions is the partitioned into extneded partitions.
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22:22<somiaj>so y ou can use more than 4, but there is this weird primary vs extended thing you have to mess with.
22:22<rylanx>dvs i beleive this to be true which is why i am double checking
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22:23<dvs>rylanx: You probably have more than four partitions, but they all cannot be primary partitions
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22:25<somiaj>rylanx: dmesg | grep sda (look for your partition layout sda: sda1 sda2, etc) paste that line here, it will show which partitions are extended.
22:25<somiaj>or look at it with fdisk -l
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22:27<rylanx>im actually on another system right now. somiaj: fdisk -l does say its GPT. which is crazy because installer asked to install mbr.
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22:28<somiaj>rylanx: well you can use a gpt table (with an mbr partition on it) and then boot a gpt partition in legacy mode
22:28<somiaj>so gpt partitions are not tied to efi, they can boot both.
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22:32<rylanx>i see. is this a problem for me or should i just leave it?
22:32<dvs>if it boots, I'd leave it.
22:33<somiaj>It is just nice to know if you need to modify the partition table, and stuff like that. But no need to change back to mbr partitions.
22:33<somiaj>i.e. fdisk and its friends won't work on that partition, learn parted
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22:37<rylanx>thanks for the advice. im going to read some articles now. boot works. cheers.
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22:38<dvs>yw
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22:40<leftist>ld e 98gig available, now i have 800+ gig available. this totally sucks man.
22:40<leftist>how the f--- could i lose every scrap of data and not lose a single application? every single byte is gone. i had mayb
22:41<leftist>this is totally crazy
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22:42<leftist>my entire home directory is empty
22:42<leftist>damnit
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22:44<somiaj>sounds like someone did force remove as their user and hit their $HOME
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