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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-04-07

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02:32<twb>Lots of people get a /var/spool/cups/.fontconfig/ which cups then complains about forever (because it can't unlink(2) it).
02:32<twb>Has anybody worked out how to prevent fontconfig from generating the dir in the first place?
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02:33<twb>This happens whenever cups uses a libfontconfig-using program (like say gs or gm) to convert the input document into something the printer can accept, e.g. from PDF to PXL
02:33<twb>Asking the internet, all I can find is people going "I can't print" and that line appears in their logs. Printing is working, I'm just sick of cups and fontconfig fighting.
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02:37<brentaarnold>When adding the ppa:fingerprint/fprint I get 404
02:38<brentaarnold>Is fingerprint/fprint still active?
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02:38<themill>twb: can you point $XDG_CACHE_HOME somewhere else perhaps?
02:38<twb>Yeah that's kinda plan B
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02:39<twb>But setting it to say /tmp leaves cups (which runs as root!) open to predictable tempfile attacks
02:39<jm_>brentaarnold: are you sure you are asking in the right channel?
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02:40<brentaarnold>jm_: I'm asking because I'm not sure where else to turn as far as IRC goes, I can't really find anything to help me through googling. OS is Debian 7...
02:40<brentaarnold>I just want to make my fingerprint scanner work on my Lenovo laptop
02:40<brentaarnold>With Debian 7
02:40<twb>brentaarnold: ppa: sounds like an ubuntu thing to me -- where do you expect it to point?
02:40<themill>twb: cups runs with its own private tmp under jessie
02:40<jm_>brentaarnold: in that case I would strongly advise to not use anything from ubuntu on it
02:40<brentaarnold>lsusb shows it's an SGS Thomson Microelectronics
02:41<brentaarnold>jm_: Ok
02:41<brentaarnold>twb: Right.
02:41<twb>themill: because of that systemd thing that mounts /var/run/<UID> ?
02:41<twb>Or whatever it was, I forget the details
02:41<themill>just a different tmpfs in a namespace
02:42<twb>Still seems kinda hacky.
02:42<themill>seems kinda ideal
02:42<themill>an entire class of vulns disappear instantly.
02:42<twb>It means borkage in a previous run of cups can cause subsequent runs to-
02:42<twb>oh I didn't mean personal $TMPDIR was wrong
02:43<twb>I meant "create .fontconfig somewhere else"
02:43<themill>oh, you mean the fontconfig cache
02:43<jm_>brentaarnold: tried installing fprintd?
02:43<twb>I don't have a problem with TMPDIR, I'd just prefer systemd called it TMPDIR not TEMPDIR and I'd prefer it was done with pam_tmpdir
02:43<brentaarnold>jm_: No, I've only been told two packages in my search, fprint and fingerprint
02:44<brentaarnold>Never fprintd
02:44<themill>twb: you want to run a pam session for cups?
02:44<twb>Because mktemp(1) and friends don't know what $TEMPDIR is so they continue using /tmp
02:44<twb>themill: I assume cups already does that
02:44<themill>no
02:44<jm_>brentaarnold: neither seems to be in that PPA archive
02:44<twb>Hum. I'd have to think more about it
02:44<themill>And it's not doing it by changing an environment variable
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02:45<themill>cups in wheezy might be using an environment variable to use /var/spool/cups/tmp -- no idea.
02:46<twb>themill: ah well. when I looked $TEMPDIR for a normal user on jessie was set to something like /var/run/1000 and something like /var/run/8 existed for some daemon, but I didn't take the time to understand what was going on
02:46<brentaarnold>jm_: Problem fixed. Thanks my friend.
02:46<jm_>brentaarnold: no problem
02:46<twb>I just assumes that when systemd started a non-root job, it first mounted that and then set an envvar
02:46<twb>I did check and it was smart enough to keep /run/user/1000 around if you logged in twice, then closed the first login
02:47<themill>PrivateTmp=true makes a new mount namespace and puts a new tmpfs on /tmp
02:47<twb>k
02:47<twb>I wonder what set TEMPDIR then
02:47<twb>I distinctly remember the GUI user had that
02:48<themill>I don't here. No idea.
02:48<twb>I think I still have that host at home, if I remember I'll check tonight
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04:16<DNS>how can i recover my system when dracus prevents the boot of crypted (luks) partitions?
04:16<DNS>*dracut
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04:17<DNS>i wonder if this is a bug, because it looks like it for me
04:17<DNS>after installin 3.16 kernel dracut was installed and after that it stops to boot after i entered the passphrase
04:18<twb>I thought dracut was the RHEL initramfs builder; I'm surprised it got installed automatically
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04:19<jm_>I have 3.16 from bpo installed and there's no sign of dracut - how did you figure it's related to the 3.16 kernel?
04:20<DNS>because dracut was installed with the 3.16 kernel
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04:20<DNS>as dependency
04:20<jm_>where did you get the kernel from?
04:20<twb>DNS: can we see pastebins of "apt-cache policy" and also the relevant parts of apt / dpkg.log
04:20<DNS>from official debian wheezy repo
04:20<DNS>>_<
04:21<jm_>that one depends on initramfs-tools or dracut so why does it pick dracut for you?
04:21<twb>DNS: I'd help debug the actual dract issue, but I don't know how. If you can't get it to boot, your first step should be to get something (like a live CD) that does, so you can repair things
04:21<jm_>like twb said, inspect the policy etc.
04:21<twb>jm_: I suppose initramfs-tools could've had some wackiness with Conflicts somewhere else
04:22<DNS>yes but im a bit stucked in mountin the crypted partions properly to use apt
04:22<DNS><_>
04:22<jm_>twb: my assumption is policy prevents installing newer version of initramfs-tools
04:22<twb>nod
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04:22<jm_>(which is needed in this case)
04:22<twb>DNS: IIRC you want cryptsetup. If you are bored enough you can unpack the ramdisk with zcat & cpio, then read the scripts it's trying to use
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04:34<lubuntu_>ciao
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04:43<DNS>its really a mess to recover this issue, because there are huge dependency issues now when i want to reinstall initramfs-tools instead of usin dracut
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04:44<jm_>make sure you install initramfs-tools from bpo!
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04:45<DNS>jm_: how can i do that?
04:46<jm_>DNS: apt... install -t wheezy-backports initramfs-tools
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04:46<jm_>maybe -t has to come before install
04:46<DNS>ah you mean 0.115~bpo70+1
04:46<DNS>ok thx
04:47<jm_>yes
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04:52<DNS>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4d2d33fd/
04:53<DNS>seems i forgot something to mount
04:53<DNS>but i wonder woot because dev is binded
04:53<DNS>>_<
04:53<jm_>make sure /proc and /dev are mounted and maybe /sys too
04:54<DNS>they are
04:54<DNS>thats why i wonder
04:54<DNS>ill try again
04:54<ixi>DNS I wonder why does it say @ubuntu there
04:54<jm_>separate /boot?
04:54<DNS>because of ubuntu live cd
04:55<DNS>i have no debian live cd here only install disks ^^
04:56<DNS>jm_: yes i try to fix the issue from live cd
04:56<DNS>because the system doesnt boot at all anymore
04:56<jm_>DNS: I am asking if /boot is a separate partition
04:56<DNS>aaaaaah
04:56<DNS>yes
04:56<DNS>sorry
04:56<DNS>you are right
04:56<DNS>:x
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04:57<jm_>and why do you need extlinux? maybe you can do without it
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04:58<DNS>ehm if i do lvscan there is no /boot, so where it is
04:59<DNS>next time i dont use luks lol>_<
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05:00<jm_>maybe it's outside of LVM
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05:12<DNS>idk why dracut is now removed but the boot still stucks after enterin passphrase... somehow this sensation started after install 3.16 kernel
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05:14<DNS>at this point i think it will be easier for me to make a fresh install
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06:02<netman1>Which command fills /boot/efi and /boot/grub on install? Already found out grub-efi-amd64-bin contains the files but there is no postinst :-( (Learning how to do a manual install to external disk)
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06:20<netman1>jm_: Thx.
06:20<jm_>no problem
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06:48<casper366>hi. newbie-question. Is there a way to suppress the permission-error in find?
06:48<jm_>yes
06:48<casper366>how?
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06:49<jm_>use tools like grep to filter them out (do note that it's printed on stderr)
06:50<nevyn>send stderr to /dev/null
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06:50<jm_>or just send it to /dev/null as nevyn wrote
06:50<casper366>ok, thx
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06:54<casper366> find . -name 'bla' 2>/dev/null did the trick.
06:54<casper366>thank you
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07:07<b3n0>hello? i have a Python problem , can anyone help me ?
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07:08<b3n0>what is the usage of 'callable'?
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07:09<canaima>aef
07:09<jm_>try #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net
07:10<canaima>adema
07:10<aef>canaima: ?
07:10<canaima>canaima
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07:12<b3n0>##python on irc.freenode.net
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07:13<DNS>still, or better said again, messin around with my boot problem (before i try to make fresh install), now i got rid of 3.16 kernel and dracut i have boot issue pushin me to initramfs "ALERT! /dev/mapper/debian-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
07:14<DNS>googlin this issue gives some older hints but still not clear what matter this is
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08:20<DNS>nobody has an idea? :x
08:21<DNS>i reinstalled a lot without any luck
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09:31<F4RR3L>Hello
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11:06<jimpop>any suggestions for a good point-to-point/peer-to-peer vpn for a dozen hosts spread throughout the world?
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11:07<F4RR3L>OpenVPN
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11:07<F4RR3L>PPPD
11:08<jimpop>looking to replace openvpn, but thanks. Need more of a distributed VPN with no SPF
11:08<F4RR3L>SPF?
11:08<jimpop>single point of failure
11:08<F4RR3L>Pritunl
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11:09<F4RR3L>I'm having issues with Gnome, it doesn't start
11:09<jimpop>i can use google too.... ;-)
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11:09<F4RR3L>The desktop just shows empty
11:09<F4RR3L>Actually, I've found that on facebook
11:09<F4RR3L>xD
11:09<F4RR3L>Some time ago
11:09<jimpop>sorry to hear :-)
11:10<jimpop>thx, i will check it out.
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11:12<somiaj>F4RR3L: a thing you cna test is create a new user and try to log into gnome with that new user (sometimes the users configs get corrupt but a new user can login just fine). This is a test to see if it is the configs and not the os that is causing issues.
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11:14<F4RR3L>No it doesn't
11:14<F4RR3L>"Oh no. Something has gone wrong."
11:14-!-gusnan_ is now known as gusnan
11:14<F4RR3L>and a log out button xD
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11:17<somiaj>and this is with a new user?
11:18<F4RR3L>yeah
11:18<F4RR3L>adduser
11:18<somiaj>F4RR3L: care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy'
11:18<somiaj>at paste.debian.net
11:18<F4RR3L>1 sec
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11:21<tms>hii
11:21<F4RR3L>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4387e27b/
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11:22<somiaj>F4RR3L: did this issue happen when you upgraded to jessie? Or more recentally?
11:22<somiaj>F4RR3L: also jessie support is at #debian-next. Have you fully dist-upgraded to the current jessie package.
11:22<F4RR3L>I've installed the Netiso
11:22<F4RR3L>recently
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11:22<somiaj>Did you install this from a debian package?
11:22<somiaj>,v netiso
11:22<judd>No package named 'netiso' was found in i386.
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11:23<F4RR3L>I've installed it from debian's image mirrors
11:23<F4RR3L>I didn't upgrade
11:23<somiaj>F4RR3L: what is the package name?
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11:23<F4RR3L>I did have Debian Wheezy first, but I've formatted the hard drive and installed fresh Sid
11:23<somiaj>I'm finding no debian package by that name, so not sure where you got this package.
11:24<F4RR3L>sec
11:24<somiaj>Your sources say you have jessie not sid.
11:24<somiaj>but it sounds like you are mixing in third party packages, this can cause issues with your system.
11:24<Apollo>(and is also not supported in this channel)
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11:24<F4RR3L>yeah jessie * XD
11:24<F4RR3L>sorry, I'm tired
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11:26<F4RR3L>Well.. I didn't actually download this install image from debian
11:26<F4RR3L>The hosting company that I rent it from has the image
11:26<F4RR3L>rent the computer from*
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11:27<F4RR3L>Gnome works fine on my home's debian jessie
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11:28<F4RR3L>And yeah, I did ran dist-upgrade
11:28<F4RR3L>earlier
11:28<F4RR3L>but I had jessie installed xD
11:28<F4RR3L>without the gnome
11:29<F4RR3L>Sorry for asking in the wrong channel then, I was asking about gnome tho xD
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11:29<F4RR3L>I remember of having the same issue on Wheezy, I don't know how I fixed it though
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11:33<somiaj>usually if gnome is crashign on a debian system it is because of mixing version of debian, a corrupt config in the users $HOME directory, or mixing third party packages that break debian. Though on testing/sid these issues sometimes happen but since the freeze I haven't heard of many. You can check the bts, but I bet you it is something with the thrid party software you have installed.
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11:33<F4RR3L>Its a fresh install o.o
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11:38<F4RR3L>somiaj
11:38<F4RR3L>would you take a look at the sys logs?
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11:39<F4RR3L>http://paste.debian.net/165509/
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11:40<F4RR3L>I did install nvidia drivers recently tho
11:40<F4RR3L>perhaps that's the issue?
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12:32<jhutchins>somiaj: I think he means that he installed the system from the netinstall iso, not some netiso package.
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14:37<kay_>I installed my own cyrus-imapd-2.5 and cyrus-sasl-2.1.26 - I know that some debian packages depend on the libsasl2-2 package. So I'm not 100% sure how this will all interact.
14:37<kay_>my question, I suppose, is should I create my own package for my preferred versions of the software
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14:38<kay_>i guess I have a similar question for apache since I experienced problems with the apache packages, which I'm sure was user herror
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14:52<dondelelcaro>kay_: in general, you're really better off using the Debian packages, or if you need a newer version, using uupdate or similar to update the Debian packaging
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14:56<pangolinrollin>how do i install kdeconnect which is on jessie or sid repos to my wheezy? broken dependencies and no backports
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16:32<sleser>guys im having a problem p laying dvd cd
16:32<sleser>after inserting cd in the drive it wont show in dolphin
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16:34<gry>there is official torrent for cd and dvd but not for netinst?
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16:35<gry>nvm found it
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16:37<sleser>vlc player also isnt seeing this dvd
16:37<jhutchins>sleser: see if dmesg says anything about it.
16:37<jhutchins>sleser: Could be the disk's not valid.
16:38<sleser>disk is from store
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16:38<awal>sleser: all your dvd's/cd's or just that one?
16:38<jhutchins>sleser: Region encoding?
16:38<sleser>i think all dvd cds
16:38<jhutchins>sleser: I believe that will throw an error in dmesg.
16:38<sleser>regular cd itll show
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16:39<jhutchins>sleser: Drive >= 2yrs old?
16:39<sleser>the computer is about 8 year old
16:39<sleser>or 10
16:39<sleser>the dvd also is old
16:40<sleser>this dvd used to work in this drive under windows
16:40<awal>sleser: is it a dvd/cd with copyright ?... (I dont know how it's called)
16:40<sleser>yeh its with coppy right i belive . its whatever store sells
16:40<sleser>all legit cd
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16:41<Kjetil>missing decss ?
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16:41<jhutchins>That exceeds the average life of a consumer grade DVD drive.
16:42<sleser>not a codec problem . dolphin will not sure that i inserted a dvd cd
16:42<sleser>sure - show even
16:42<awal>probably you need the lib (don't remember the name) for "legit" cd or don't know how they are called
16:42<pangolinrollin>libdvdcss
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16:42<pangolinrollin>?
16:42<jhutchins>sleser: The file browser frequently ignore music or video discs.
16:43<pangolinrollin>& libdvdcss-2
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16:43<sleser>music cd itll show it never ignores
16:43<jhutchins>sleser: Again, dmesg
16:44<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/165572/
16:44<jhutchins>sleser: Does it spin up?
16:44<sleser>i dont think so
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16:45<jhutchins>sleser: Then it's not going to work.
16:45<jhutchins>sleser: The hardware doesn't even see the disk (per dmesg).
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16:46<sleser>windows can see it
16:46<jhutchins>sleser: When was the last time it worked?
16:46<sleser>like 5 years ago
16:46<sleser>maby more
16:46<jhutchins>sleser: If it's not even spinning up, the drive doesn't know it's there.
16:46<jhutchins>sleser: Yeah, well.
16:46<sleser>bad disk ?
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16:46<sleser>broken dvd player ?
16:46<jhutchins>More likely bad drive.
16:47<jhutchins>sleser: They fail. A LOT.
16:47<jhutchins>sleser: Desktop or laptop?
16:47<sleser>let me try another data or other cd in this drive
16:47<sleser>desktop
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16:47<pangolinrollin>^ its good for a cup holder now
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16:48<sleser>ok inserted data cd it spined
16:48<sleser>and shows
16:48<jhutchins>sleser: You're talking $10: http://www.pricewatch.com/price/dvd_cd_drives/dvd+-rw_dual_layer
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16:50<jhutchins>... although I'd probably go with the ones that are $20-$30.
16:50<sleser>drive works look dmsg http://paste.debian.net/165573/
16:50<jhutchins>sleser: The CD mechanism is on the same carrier, but it's seperate electronics/optics.
16:50<sleser>only dvd cd wont show content
16:51<sleser>you saying its half broken dvdrom drive ?
16:52<jhutchins>sleser: It's not a software issue,it's not getting that far.
16:52<jhutchins>sleser: Yes, the DVD mechanism is a bit more fragile, it tends to be what goes first.
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16:52<jhutchins>sleser: Although mine just has problems bulk-ripping audio CDs, it'll do three in a row but not four.
16:53<sleser>is there sutch thing like content on cd expired and wiped ?
16:53<sleser>on its own ?
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16:55<sleser>maby i need libdvdcss & libdvdread ?
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16:56<sleser>just reading s ome blogs people had isues on
16:56<sleser>looks like alot isues like this on any linux
16:57<jhutchins>sleser: No, commercial disks are pretty much immutable.
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16:57<kay_>dondelelcaro: I understand that i am better off using debian packages but in some cases there is not an update to the latest version of the software that i wish to use
16:57<jhutchins>sleser: The software doesn't matter if it doesn't spin up when you insert it.
16:57<sleser>a dvd cd wont spin at all data or music cd will spin
16:58<sleser>is there a way to chek in terminal if drive is failing ?
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16:58<mtn>sleser: if it won't spin up, it is failing ;)
16:58<jhutchins>sleser: Insert a disk and see if it detects it.
16:59<sleser>so then its half broke ?
16:59<sleser>because it only spins data and music cd and not dvd
16:59<mtn>sleser: depends on how you look at it. it would be broken in my opinion
16:59<jhutchins>sleser: The fact that a) it doesn't spin up and b) dmesg doesn't notice that anything happened with the drive means that the presence of the disk is not making it past the hardware.
16:59<Kjetil>does the dvd work in another drive ?
16:59<jhutchins>sleser: I suppose you could check the cabling...
17:00<sleser>i only have a cd r and dvd player
17:00*pangolinrollin is upgrading to jessie
17:00<sleser>brb lemy go chek on another l inux os
17:00<sleser>i brb
17:00<jhutchins>I think he's trying to find nosmoke.exe
17:00<Kjetil>then you should go dumpster diving and get yourself a new one
17:01<sleser>new one is not problem im not cheep im just lazy to take it apart
17:01*mtn wants the magic terminal command to make broken hardware work
17:01<sleser>i know if i pute live debian dvd itll spin
17:01<Kjetil>mtn: apt-get install office-assistant ?
17:02<mtn>:)
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17:02<jhutchins>http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/96/Jun/nosmoke.html
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17:09<Guest1405>Hello
17:10<F4RR3L>eh
17:10<F4RR3L>when I try to execute a file I've just compiled
17:10<F4RR3L>nothing happens lol
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17:10<F4RR3L>nvm
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17:11<jhutchins>That's a classic.
17:11<sleser>on another linux also didnt work
17:12<sleser>not sure wt hell is the problem
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17:15<sleser>guys there is a slolution for xfi sound card to fix the noise and crakles
17:15<sleser>any one has acces to wiki pute it there it needs extra pakages to install
17:16<sleser>liblo10k1-0 , ld10k1 , alsa-firmware-loaders . sound after thise 3 pakages works perfect
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17:18<SynrGy>everyone has access to the wiki
17:18<SynrGy>register an account and edit it yourself
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17:22<sleser>i would my spelling isnt so perfect to write things
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17:29<inkbottle>Hi, about Jessie being stable in 20 days, do we celebrate or do something :-)
17:30<inkbottle>drink a glass of water in front of our screen
17:30<jstewart>inkbottle: if I manage to get my laptop and workstation to upgrade without breaking anything, I'll be having a nice scotch.
17:30<dondelelcaro>kay_: right, that's why I suggest using the Debian packages as a base, and then using uupdate or similar to update the source to the version which you want to use
17:31<inkbottle>jstewart: :-)
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17:36<dondelelcaro>kay_: also, if this is a recurring issue for a few packages, you might want to consider joining the maintenance team for those packages, and help get newer versions available in experimental
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18:15<awal>trying to get a blank startup page when netsurf-gtk start's. how to do that?
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18:23<th3w0rm>ciao a tutti
18:23<retrospectacus>ciao a th3w0rm
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18:25<th3w0rm>mi potete aiutare??? ho come sistema xubuntu
18:26<retrospectacus>xubuntu
18:26<retrospectacus>!xubuntu
18:26<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on chat.freenode.net for support. http://www.xubuntu.org/ See also <based on debian>.
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18:26<th3w0rm>e vorrei installare software per programmare tipo visual studio
18:27<th3w0rm>perl e altre programmazioni non so come trovare le sorgenti
18:27<retrospectacus>th3w0rm: this channel is for Debian support in English. Please find the appropriate channel for your OS and language
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18:28<th3w0rm>hey man help me??
18:28<th3w0rm>retrospectacus
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18:28<Apollo>!xubuntu
18:28<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on chat.freenode.net for support. http://www.xubuntu.org/ See also <based on debian>.
18:28<retrospectacus>th3w0rm: if you are not using Debian, I cannot help you.
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18:40<sleser>fixed dvdrom
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18:41<sleser>conton ball and some glue with music disk cleaned the lins
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18:41<jathan>Hello Debian chanel. I am trying to install Kolab 3.4 in Debian Wheezy, but a dependencies problem appears always.
18:42<jathan>I have followed these instructions http://docs.kolab.org/installation-guide/debian.html
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18:43<jathan>Here is the output after finish aptitude install kolab:
18:45<awal>,v kolab
18:45<judd>No package named 'kolab' was found in i386.
18:46<jathan>http://paste.debian.net/165594
18:46<jathan>Oh yes, because we need to add the kolab repo from its website:
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18:47<jathan>deb http://obs.kolabsys.com/repositories/Kolab:/3.4/Debian_7.0/ ./
18:47<jathan>deb http://obs.kolabsys.com/repositories/Kolab:/3.4:/Updates/Debian_7.0/ ./
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18:48<retrospectacus>!localized errors
18:48<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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18:49<jathan>With this command my system will change to english then LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install?
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18:50<devil>only the output of that command will be EN
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18:50<retrospectacus>jathan: prepending "LC_ALL=C " to any command, that command's output will be in English
18:50<jathan>Oh I see. Thanks. One second and I paste again in pastezone.
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18:53<jathan>http://paste.debian.net/165595/
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18:55<oldlaptop>this looks an awful lot like a problem with the kolab packages, not with Debian.
18:59<retrospectacus>there is some problem with the 389-ds-base post-installation script. We can't really help you with that because it's not part of Debian
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18:59<jathan>Oh I see, you are right. Thank you very much anyway :)
19:00<jathan>I will try Citadel then.
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19:01<retrospectacus>why not use something that comes with Debian?
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19:02<jathan>I only have read about Citadel and Kolab (well Citadel is in repos)
19:02<AndrewMock>Is it possible to have my external HDD always mount to the same place on bootup?
19:03<AndrewMock>with hobby-grade reliability?
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19:03<centrx>AndrewMock, /etc/fstab ?
19:03<jathan>Zimbra, openxchange and Zenytal but these three do no are in Debian and not seems fine as Kolab and Citadel.
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19:04<jathan>retrospectacus: Besides Citadel which gruopware program do you recomend me please?
19:04<oldlaptop>jathan: You could wait and see if someone who knows Kolab shows up, on the off chance
19:05<oldlaptop>otherwise you should ask the Kolab people
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19:05<jathan>I asked in kolab chanel before here :)
19:05<jathan>They tried to help but nothing results.
19:06<jathan>And by that reason they told me that it would be related more to Debian
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19:07<jathan>Even I searched for broken packages with aptitude search '.*' | grep ^.B
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19:09<zerocull666>hola
19:09<jathan>Hola zerocull666
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19:10<jathan>This the Debian chanel
19:10<jathan>and here we need to speak english
19:10<centrx>I thought he said 'holla!'
19:10<zerocull666>soy nuevo aki ?hola jathan
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19:11<jathan>Que bueno que estés visitando el canal :) We can talk in spanish in debian-spanish
19:11<centrx>!es
19:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
19:12<jathan>Oh yes debian-es. Sorry.
19:12<zerocull666>a bueno gracias
19:12<jathan>See you in debian-es and we talk.
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19:14<AndrewMock>thanks centrx works flawless
19:14<AndrewMock>exit
19:14<AndrewMock>oops
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20:28<anonymous>hi
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20:28<ixi>!ask
20:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:38<awal>so I did apt-get purge netsurf and done. but apt doesn't remove the recommends/deps netsurf-gtk and netsurf-commons. but aptitude does it. why that happen so?
20:38<awal>apt-get -f install and autoremove does nothing
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20:40<awal>netsurf-common ^
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20:41<centrx>awal, That doesn't sound like a clean comparison
20:41<centrx>awal, apt-get purge --autoremove might be what you are looking for
20:41<awal>probably because I set netsurf-gtk as manually installed, but no netsurf-common
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20:46<awal>centrx: the problem is that apt sometimes won't autoremove the ''?-common''packages only needed as dep by the pack I removed
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20:47<centrx>right it can't know whether you want it removed or not
20:47<centrx>except by the "manually installed" flag
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20:47<centrx>if all 'packages with no reverse dependencies' were removed, iteratively that would remove every package on the system
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20:48<awal>yeah, I knew that. but I have sometimes "issues" with apt .I installed cinnamon and cinnamon-common was installed auto. after that I purged cinnamon, but cinnamon-common isn't auroremoved by apt
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20:51<centrx>awal, I use 'deborphan' to find orphaned packages and then remove them manually
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20:53<awal>centrx: yeah, I should try deborphan, never used it seriously
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20:55<kay_>thanks dondelelcaro
20:55<kay_>that is helpful
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21:01<kay_>but they are linked to files bellonging to package ca-certificates
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