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02:51<ixi>does debian have some sort of simple command-line/curses frontend for iptables?
02:51<ixi>and by simple I mean "allow this port out" / "disallow this port in" level of things
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03:46<EmleyMoor>I mentioned some days ago that I was getting "Software Update" windows stating that the operation was interrupted... this turned out to be on both my desktop and my laptop... well, it seems to be uptime related - any clues as to what the actual cause is?
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03:58<gry>hi all. i am looking for a simple thing, how to install debian using a usb stick.
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03:59<half>just get kali
03:59<gry>i have the netinst thing's .iso file and the usb stick. i was looking and found but i do not understand it well.
03:59<gry>because i have a usb stick and a desire to install it -- i have no cd.
04:00<half>Get Rufus
04:00<gry>half, there is one big difference, debian does not rely on an 'upstream'. i get the freedom to package stuff for it directly.
04:00<planetmaker>gry, you can simply dd the CD or DVD iso onto your usb stick and it might just work
04:01<gry>half, so i'm not going to even look there today.
04:01<planetmaker>(if you can boot from the usb stick that is)
04:01<gry>planetmaker, i'll try ok.
04:01<half>wdym upstream?
04:01<half>I'm not very familiar with what that is?
04:01<half>I'm new to linux and pen testing andd slowly learning :/ lol
04:01<jm_>gry: this is also covered in the installation manual
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04:01<gry>half, most other distros rely on some stuff like RedHat, or debian itself, to get new packages.
04:01<gry>jm_, i'll check.
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04:02<half>ohhhhh I see what you are saying, but Kali relies on debian the last time I checked
04:02<half>debian and fedora
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04:02<gry>that's why if i use kali then i can't package for it properly.
04:02<gry>only for debian.
04:02<half>I see.
04:02<half>Well let me know if you are interested lol. I have all the iso files and crap
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04:03<half>what can you do on debian linux? I've never tried it @gry
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04:05<unknownsquad>use kali linux its better
04:05<half>Lol wayyyyyyyyyyyy better haha
04:05<Tessa>i'm using mint debian, debian proper is too difficult at present
04:06<half>@tessa what is so goof abt debian? Not to be rude. Just am unsure
04:06<unknownsquad>thats y its all about kaliiii
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04:06*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
04:06<Tessa>i don't know much except that's it very strict on free software
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04:07<half>@Tessa Kali is free as well, but it gives lots of freedom and allows you to teach yourself basic pentesting skills
04:07<half>it's dope
04:07<unknownsquad> /join #debian-offtopic
04:08<unknownsquad>nevr mine its empty time to make some payloads
04:09<Tessa>i'm just a home user, don't need to know about pentesting
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04:09<unknownsquad>#unknownsquad follow on twitter, ig @ masterscorpions
04:10<themill>guys, this channel is for debian technical support, not for boosting your twitter (in)credibility or social chatter
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04:11<unknownsquad>hey fralle to notify u ur ip is showiing
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04:16<unknownsquad>ur ip showing
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04:16<Tessa>don't ips always show in IRC lol?
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04:20<unknownsquad2>o ok
04:20<half>i'm in the chat
04:20<unknownsquad>which one
04:20<unknownsquad2>please visit
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04:21<themill>unknownsquad: don't do that.
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04:21<unknownsquad>and ok
04:22<unknownsquad>aye yall watch
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04:23<unknownsquad>someone ip is blacklistied lol
04:23<half>wym "blacklisted"?
04:24<unknownsquad>cant be DDoS
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04:25<half>lol dopeeee
04:25<half>come to the other channel
04:25<half>thsi is not a chat nigga
04:26<Tessa>yeah it's for tech support only
04:26<unknownsquad>ill sutdown this whole serve dont play
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04:26<gry>half, anything, as long as you don't limit yourself in how you do it.
04:27<gry>what is 'wym' in the `wym "blacklisted"` line ?
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04:34<gry>planetmaker: -- it says to use `cp', interesting.
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04:46<planetmaker>gry, then follow that guide :)
04:47<F4RR3L>hey guys
04:47<F4RR3L>is it possible to get older versions of software over aptitude?
04:47<Tessa>don't think so
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04:49<jm_>yes it is
04:49<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces
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04:51<F4RR3L>I want ones from wheezy, I see lenny here
04:51<F4RR3L>nvm I'll read it xD
04:51<jm_>be more specific, "ones" is not good enough
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04:52<F4RR3L>I'd like to use apache that are currently on wheezy
04:52<F4RR3L>the version
04:52<F4RR3L>that is*
04:52<themill>what release are you using?
04:52<F4RR3L>Sid xD
04:52<F4RR3L>I mean jessie
04:52<themill>that's not going to work out very well
04:52<Tessa>dependency hell?
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04:52<F4RR3L>I suppose that's not possible then? XD
04:53<F4RR3L>everything is buggy on jessie :/
04:53<themill>you can put that "everything" next to your "ones"
04:54<F4RR3L>want some wine with that? xD
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04:54<jm_>and if you absolutely want to go through with your plan, those packages are on sdo
04:55<jm_>just don't ask us for help :)
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04:55<themill>every other package that interacts with apache in any way would also need to be downgraded and the chances of all that working out and getting any form of security support from it...
04:56<F4RR3L>everything works on my PC tho
04:56<F4RR3L>This is epicly wierd ._.
04:57<themill>fixing the problems you find might be a better use of your time
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05:01<F4RR3L>that's it
05:01<F4RR3L>going back to wheezy..
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05:01<jm_>and what will you do in several months when jessie comes out?
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05:03<SynrGy>jm_: several months?
05:03<dpkg>Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See <>
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05:04<jm_>ok I'm still not mentally aware we've reached april already
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05:11<gry> i try to run 'cp' command it says '/dev/sdb: носитель не найден' (means 'device not found'). how do I go from there?
05:12<Tessa>presumably the device isn't properly mounted then, etc/fstab something i believe
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05:13<gry>but it says the device should be unmounted first
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05:30<jm_>gry: how do you know it's /dev/sdb? also /msg dpkg localized errors
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05:32<ipeceive>hello Im new
05:33<ipeceive>so how do things work here?
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05:33<jm_>!tell ipeceive -about ask
05:33<half>this ain't a channel
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05:34<half>this isn't a channel
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05:49<gry>jm_: i unplug, /dev/sdb disappears. i was shooting trouble in a language subchannel, they narrowed it down to a faulty usb drive. thanks for the `localized errors` thing, it helped me understand some questions there too.
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05:51<half>@gry what you talking abt? lol
05:51<jm_>gry: ok
05:52<jm_>gry: you can also look at what kernel says after you plug it in (dmesg command) and also 'cat /proc/partitions'
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06:07<half>What exactly do Debian Packages do? Can I please get a complete rundown
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06:11<half>hi @dselect
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06:14<Tessa>in what sense half?
06:14<half>@Tessa i don't remember what we were talking abt lol
06:14<half>you can direct chat me tho
06:15<gry>half, the task of a distro is distributing software to users and keeping it all in consistent places. packages serve this purpose by a) including a program, b) including enough metadata to install and uninstall the program reliably, c) including instructions on where to put its binary, where to put its config file, where the program should log to, so that the users don't spend time pulling hair over different behaviour of different
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06:16<gry>(part of (c) is also making sure the program has a man page even if its original maintainer didn't bother to write its documentation in manpage format, for example)
06:17<gry> has a run through it in more detail
06:18<half>@gry I don't have any of those problems with Kali Linux tho
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06:19<gry>what problems?
06:19*gry doesn't follow
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06:20<half>unreliably installing/uninstalling programs, file placement probs, etc
06:20<half>Everything is smooth
06:20<gry>(mind, kali linux is a debian based distro, so it has packages in it as well, but people here prefer to die over learning what exactly they changed)
06:20<gry>right, that's because packages work on kali linux properly, as well :)
06:20<half>Oh. I'm new to linux tbh so idk what they "changed"
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06:22<gry>debian-derived distros have the discretion to change anything they please, and this channel doesn't like troubleshooting debian-derived distros because it might take a few months of troubleshooting just to find some small subtlebug they introduced, after which everyone would sigh with relief but face a tired, exhausted, and delayed state of everything Debian due to them having been absent in a collective effort dedicated to shooting
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06:22<gry>half, ^^
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06:23<half>@gry what kind of things get changed?
06:23<petn-randall>half: That is something you'll have to ask in #kali, we don't keep track the thousands of Debian-derived distros and what they do.
06:23<gry>half: this includes, but is not limited to, lack of desire to even think what package manager they use; they started from apt-get, but while packaging it for kali they might have put small yellow flying dragons into it, meaning that any reference to their program in here would be met with reluctancy
06:24<gry>to learn it or these changes
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06:24<gry>that said a quick poke at their documentation and their support channel should give you something useful, which everyone here would (usually) find utterly boring :)
06:25<half>lol i joined but it was empty
06:25<gry>maybe on the wrong network, check again :)
06:25<gry>(if the address is correct and the channel is dead, odds are they prefer to use some other means of support)
06:26<half>i see i see
06:26<gry>btw welcome, i am glad to see you here, i am sure you'll learn a lot of debian-ish ecosystem and help out -- gently -- some people here with stuff that's not kali-specific :)
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06:28<half>lol hope so too
06:28*gry goes back to finding decent docs on netinst to know what to expect
06:28<half>what is netinsst
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06:29<gry>it's the compact installer which uses the network extensively during the install process (as opposed to having a lot of firmware and software in one big cd or dvd image)
06:29<gry>i am using the small one because i only have a small flash drive :)
06:30<half>never heard of that lol. I know abt grub and syslinux tho
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06:30<gry>cool, those are good things to know about
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06:44<it-32>buongiorno e' la prima volta che uso debian e' noto un problema sulla navigazione internet spesso non risolve i nomi oppure e' lento nella risoluzione dns questo anche con ipv6 disabilitato ip statico e dns settatto su oppure su sto usando wheezy avete suggerimenti da darmi? grazie
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06:47<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:48<it-32>ok tank's dpkg
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06:51<sc>it-32: I can just translate you question too
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07:16<Ipeceive>#unknownsquad ?
07:17<gry>it's a joke
07:17<Ipeceive>oh, thanks for letting me know :)
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10:09<stemid>in CentOS 7 with sssd package version 1.12 I can use override_shell in sssd.conf to replace it with /bin/bash. but in Debian 7 with sssd package version 1.8.4 the manual sssd.conf does not list this option, and the override does not work. however sssd.conf man on Wheezy lists default_shell option, but that does not work either. I've tried it in both [sssd] section and in [domain/...] section
10:09<stemid>does anyone know how to override the loginShell on Debian7 with SSSD?
10:10<stemid>I assume default_shell is for something different
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10:13<stemid>I think I found an answer
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10:17<Guest284>When using Debian to make a web server... is there any way to give one web site 'X' resources (with a burst of 'Y') and another website 'A' with a burst of 'B'
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10:17<Guest284>I believe CloudLinux can do something like this, not sure quite how
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10:18<stemid>if you're talking bandwidth then you either use an apache bandwidth module, or you tie websites to ip-addresses/interfaces and use tc. I've never done bursts so you'll have to read their docs for that info.
10:19<Guest284>no I'm talking about ram/cpu
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10:19<ixi>you will need to containerize your websites somehow
10:20<ixi>with something like an LXC container
10:20<stemid>containers are probably the best solution these days, but in the years before containers I would have used login classes and resource limits.
10:20<Guest284>yeah i've looked at lxc and vz - that's one way... i'm trying to find out if there are others
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10:20<Guest284>(that don't need multiple filesystems)
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10:21<ixi>I don't think containers need multiple filesystems.
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10:22<Guest284>each container has it's own - thus multiple if you're going to have a container per website - compared to one box running multiple websites
10:22<Guest284>wait why on earth am I guest
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10:24<stemid>I guess shared web hosting these days is solved in slightly different ways than it used to. people used to setup A Debian web server box and have it server virtual hosts. but these days it's much more common to use some sort of virtualization or container. so if I were you, I'd look into that. depends on your requirements and long term goals of course.
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10:27<stemid>oh and about user login classes, I think that was on freebsd. you could limit stuff like cpu and memory usage for a login class with resource limits. but on linux, I have no idea.
10:27<stemid>way back in the day
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11:50<jathan>Hello to all. I am trying to set up a public domain name in my Apache server using Debian Wheezy. I have put in /etc/hosts the private IP and the name of my of my public domain.
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11:51<ixi>what is your end goal jathan
11:52<jathan>But at the moment I do not achieve access trough the domain name instead of the public address.
11:52<ixi>can you describe what you want? "I want XXX to be able to do YYY"
11:52<ixi>right now you have only described the tools you have used
11:52<jathan>Thanks ixi. I want to enter
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11:53<jathan>to the web sites allowed in this web server
11:53<ixi>from outside or from intranet ?
11:54<jathan>using a domain name that is already registered and apointing to the public IP address assigned to this web server
11:54<jathan>From outside please
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11:55<ixi>okay, so you need to configure your web service (I assume apache?) to serve the correct site when presented the correct Host: header
11:55<ixi>that is how you do it
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11:56<jathan>I created a virtual host
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11:57<jathan>following this
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11:58<ixi>I don't know if debian's apache has by default named virtual hosts enabled
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11:58<ixi>it maybe has
11:58<ixi>but I'm not sure
11:58<jathan>The problem is that sometimes the server can display desire web site content using the domain and sometimes not
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12:00<jathan>Ok, so the key is in Virtual Host configuration?
12:01<ixi>yes. you need a line "NameVirtualHost *:80
12:01<ixi>NameVirtualHost *:80
12:01<ixi>somewhere in your configs
12:01<ixi>and then just define <virtualhost>'s
12:01<ixi>with different ServerName
12:02<jathan>Can I paste you my virtual host content please in paste zone?
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12:09<PaulePanter>jathan: Use
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12:14<PaulePanter>jathan: And paste the URL in here.
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12:17<jathan>That Virtual Host file I created in /etc/apache2/sites-available/mertis-groupw
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12:18<jathan>and after enabled it with a2ensite mertis-groupw
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12:20<jathan>In this moment I can acces to the Apache welcome screen through in browser
12:21<jathan>And if I write I can see the site
12:21<jathan>Or another one like as test also
12:22<jathan>But randomly stops working later or tomorrow
12:22<jathan>As these before days
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12:23<PaulePanter>jathan: Oh. Than that’s not due to the Apache host configuration.
12:24<PaulePanter>$ host
12:24<PaulePanter>Host not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
12:25<PaulePanter>jathan: How do you access the site?
12:25<PaulePanter>jathan: Are the DNS records correct?
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12:28<jathan>I access by
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12:29<jathan>The domains are set in a Virtuozzo Paralells server
12:30<jathan>Can you try with this domain name please
12:30<PaulePanter>jathan: No idea. Then. When it doesn’t work for you, try to ping that address.
12:30<PaulePanter>jathan: Yes, that URL works for me.
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12:31<jathan>Can you see the content? Is only one line.
12:31<PaulePanter>jathan: I guess your Virtuozzo Paralells stuff is the culprit. Your HTTP server configured correctly.
12:31<PaulePanter>jathan: Yes, I do.
12:31<jathan>Thank you very much PaulePanter :)
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12:32<jathan>So this is the way for set up a public domain in Debian using Apache?
12:32<jathan>Only I need to create Vritual Hosts in that way right?
12:32<F4RR3L>public domain
12:32<F4RR3L>what the hell do you mean by that?
12:33<jathan>I want to refer a domain name that could be access in internet. Sorry.
12:33<F4RR3L>Yes it is
12:33<jathan>Not only internal
12:33<F4RR3L>You need to modify your DNS records
12:33<jathan>Like a private and public IP address
12:33<F4RR3L>to point to your IP
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12:34<F4RR3L>Then forward your virtualhost's configured Port to your local ip in the router
12:34<jathan>I will talk with the Virtuozzo admin
12:34<F4RR3L>Its easy
12:34<F4RR3L>Modify your domain records, set them to an A record and point them to your public IP.
12:34<F4RR3L>then open / port forward the 80 port (I assume that's the one you've set)
12:35<F4RR3L>for your local ip
12:35<F4RR3L>and that's IT
12:35<jathan>Thanks. The local IP in the router where I need to do please?
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12:35<F4RR3L>I could help you out over Teamviewer if you like
12:35<F4RR3L>you can add me on skype
12:35<jathan>The public and A record in Virtuozzo right?
12:35<F4RR3L>what the hell is virtuozzo
12:36<F4RR3L>you're trying to host off of a VPS
12:37<jathan>Sorry, in this case I want to refer plesk for hosting
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12:37<F4RR3L>I'm confused about what you're asking
12:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 730] by debhelper
12:38<F4RR3L>are you using a LAMP stack?
12:38<jathan>but as Virtuozzo Plesk is of the Paralells company
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12:38<jathan>And I got confused with these
12:38<F4RR3L>If you bought a domain
12:39<F4RR3L> or whatever company
12:39<F4RR3L>you need to edit your DNS records
12:39<jathan>I am not using LAMP Stack
12:39<F4RR3L>so you're using web hosting services off a company?
12:39<jathan>In the resolv.conf file?
12:40<F4RR3L>log in into
12:40<F4RR3L>or where ever you got your domain from
12:40<F4RR3L>then go to DNS management
12:40<jathan>They manage the domains og my company
12:40<F4RR3L>Then I'm not sure what you're referring tho
12:40<F4RR3L>so I cannot establish what ure talking about
12:40<jathan>and use Paraleslls plesk
12:41<jathan>Ok, I will explain better :)
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12:42<jathan>In the place that I work, I need to set up a web server with a domain name that was acquired
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12:43<jathan>that domain name is assigned trough Parallels Plesk
12:44<jathan>So the DNS server is with that externaly to my work
12:45<dpkg>Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. ##plesk on
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12:46<jathan>Sorry was not my intention make publicity to plesk
12:46<jathan>I only want give details
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12:47<blast007>that's not the issue. It sounds like the problem isn't with Debian itself, but either with how Plesk is managing your domain, your DNS provider, or with your domain registrar.
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12:48<jathan>Yes, If I were the responsible of DNS servers, sure I will not use that :)
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12:48<jathan>Oh I see
12:49<jathan>I will get in touch with the DNS Plesk admins and check these.
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12:49<jathan>In our side with Debian and Apache all is done then.
12:49<blast007>additionally, the Plesk stuff probably takes over the configuration of your web server such that manual modifications may break it, or Plesk may may changes that we may not be aware of.
12:49<blast007>may make*
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12:51<jathan>Buuuh does not sounds good that Plesk info ja.
12:51<lord_rob>Hi! Wasn't there a chan reserved for libreoffice support in debian?
12:51<jathan>Hello #libreoffice have you tried?
12:52<lord_rob>(on freenode yes)
12:52<jathan>Thank you very much to all for your help with this :)
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12:53<jathan>I will check then the DNS conf with our provider of the domain.
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12:54<jathan>lord_rob: at the moment I only know that chan for general LibreOffice users. In Debian really I do not know about some own chan.
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12:55<lord_rob>ok thanks anyway jathan
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12:56<lord_rob>IIRC debian LO maintainers had their own chan
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12:57<jathan>Oh I see.
12:57<jathan>But at the moment there is not someone of users right?
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13:00<lord_rob>there's the dead chan #debian-oo
13:02<jathan>The dead chan of Devian Art?
13:02<jathan>Or what is dead chan in #debian-oo?
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13:04<gjhk>How would I load the non free firmware for my netinstall for my wifi card?
13:04<lord_rob>oo standing for openoffice
13:04<lord_rob>I think it was that IIRC
13:05<lord_rob>jathan: ^^^
13:05<roberth1990>gjhk: I found I found:
13:05<roberth1990>gjhk: use jessie_di_rc2
13:05<gjhk>roberth1990: Thanks, you're from #kde, right?
13:05<roberth1990>gjhk: yes
13:06<jathan>O thanks lord_rob ;)
13:06<gjhk>roberth1990: Why use jessie?
13:06<roberth1990>gjhk: because it install jessie by default, you dont have to upgrade to jessie afterwards
13:07<roberth1990>saves times
13:07<gjhk>roberth1990: ah
13:08<roberth1990>gjhk: what distro are you currently on?
13:08<gjhk>I would download firmware-jessie-DI-rc2--amd64-netinst.iso?
13:08<gjhk>roberth1990: Slackware
13:08<roberth1990>gjhk: yes
13:10<gjhk>Wait, jessie's going to come out in a few weeks, right?
13:10<roberth1990>gjhk: but Im not sure if debian installer is able to use wificards
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13:10<gjhk>roberth1990: The jessie one
13:10<roberth1990>gjhk: yes
13:11<gjhk>roberth1990: Why wouldn't it, wheezy can
13:11<roberth1990>gjhk: oh okay then
13:11<roberth1990>gjhk: havent tried my self so...
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13:12<blast007>may depend on the actual wifi chipset you're using as some may prohbit the distribution of firmware
13:13<gjhk>It's working
13:13<gjhk>Thanks again
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13:16<DrZaius>does anybody understand this output? apt-cache policy does not show any repo with the package... but apt-cache show shows the infor of the package
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13:16<DrZaius>arent both using the same db?
13:17<DrZaius>mmm actually its using /var/lib/dpkg/status
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13:17<DrZaius>so the output is okay
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13:19<DrZaius>but why isnt showing the repos anyway? steam is there and i updated correctly. this is my policy
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13:40<F4RR3L>Hey guys
13:40<F4RR3L>when I try to boot into Xen
13:40<F4RR3L>with VT-d enabled
13:40<F4RR3L>It restarts
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13:44<devotee>hi devhelper
13:44<devotee>hi debhelper
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13:44<devotee>i need a help
13:44<devotee>with debian installation
13:45<devotee>can some one please help me
13:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:46<devotee>actually i installed debian wheezy 7.0 in my laptop
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13:46<devotee>root partiotion is separate
13:46<devotee>i have 256 gb ssd
13:46<devotee>root is 10 gb
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13:47<devotee>now it is showing root space is full
13:47<devotee>only 100 mb left
13:47<devotee>when i examine
13:47<devotee>i found
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13:47<devotee>takign 8.7 gb
13:47<mtn>devotee: you need a bigger / partition
13:48<devotee>but when i was installing wizard did not allow me more than 10 gb
13:48<devotee>so now , what are the steps to overcome this situation
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13:49<blast007>are you dual-booting that system?
13:49<mtn>devotee: with manual partitioning you can have any size of / you want
13:49<devotee>no single boot only debian
13:50<devotee>can i increase size of root partition now
13:51<mtn>devotee: use gparted from a live disk and you may be able to depending on your disk setup
13:51<lord_rob>you can resize of your partitions using gparted
13:52<devotee>can you please detail that , it would be very helpful for me
13:52<lord_rob>systemrescuecd may be a great tool for doing this kind of task
13:52<devotee>is there any chance of data lost
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13:52<devotee>thanks lord_rob
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13:52<mtn>devotee: yes there is, make sure to have backups
13:54<lord_rob>there always is, but gparted is designed to resize your partitions without erasing their content, but as mtn says *always* make backups before
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13:54<mtn>devotee: not having backups means you don't care if you lose your data :P
13:55<devotee>okay @mtn thanks!
13:55<devotee>can you please detail me the steps to resize in gparted
13:55<lord_rob>there are great tutorials on the net
13:55<mtn>devotee: you have to do it from a live disk
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13:56<lord_rob>system rescue cd is a really great tool, its purpose is not always to use gparted
13:59<devotee>mtn: is there any tutorial so that i can get the detail , to perform this from live disk
13:59<devotee>please share if you have some
13:59<mtn>devotee: boot live disk, start gparted, follow the link I sent you. done.
14:00<mtn>devotee: or make the system rescue disk and boot it
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14:01<devotee>thanks @mtn
14:02<devotee>i will try to follow the same
14:02<devotee>thanks a lot guys for helping me
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14:44<tomy>I'd like to install Debian Wheezy without wiping the drive. Is it possible to migrate all of the data by juggling it between partitions?
14:49<tomy>1: Shrink NTFS to recover free space. 2: In live usb environment, make ext4 partition from free space, copy over some data. 3: Repeat step 1 & 2 until all payload/not-OS files are on ext4. 4: Install Wheezy over remaining NTFS partition only holding Windows 5: Merge ext4 partitions.
14:49<tomy>I have backups.
14:51<ixi>that is a lot of hurdle
14:51<ixi>would be much easier with external storage
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14:52<awal>I don't think devotee will be able to resize his root partition if he doesn't have free space
14:52<tomy>The PC has a 3TB drive. The only external storage I have is 120GB.
14:53<ixi>tomy the question is how much data you need to keep
14:53<ixi>do you have a 3 TB full of data ?
14:53<tomy>Is 90% full.
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14:57<roberth1990>time to delete porn
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15:08<awal>Last time I wanted to do a presentation in school with projection but I wasn't able to do that being in fluxbox session. I was forced to use windows. What is missing in my debian/fluxbox?
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15:09<roberth1990>awal: libreoffice?
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15:11<awal>tried it one time ago using ubuntu and it worked just fine. I have no tried with my debian/gnoe/xfce. so I dont know if it's WM related (no have support for projection) or I miss some pack
15:11<awal>roberth1990, yes my presentation was with libreoffice writer
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15:11<roberth1990>awal: ah fluxbox doesnt have any thing that configures xrandr stuff
15:12<roberth1990>xrandr makes sure things like that can easily be configured on the go
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15:13<awal>roberth1990: which pack exactly is required for make my debian detect the projector and then project what I need?
15:13<roberth1990>awal: no idea in stand alone wm enviroment, but kde and gnome has it
15:13<awal>what have kde and gnome?
15:13<roberth1990>awal: you shouldnt use fluxbox if you want things to work automatically
15:14<awal>i dont run gnome/kde, but xfce and some WM's
15:14<roberth1990>in kde: system settings -> display and monitor where it can be easily and quickly be configured
15:14<roberth1990>not sure about gnome
15:14<roberth1990>have used gnome3 extensively
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15:17<awal>when I tried to project using ubuntu , one time month ago, I remember I was seeing in the projector all the boot process adn all what I was browsing in unity session
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15:17<awal>s***t, my english is so bad
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15:18<centrx>I love you long time
15:18<roberth1990>awal: im not sure about unity
15:18<roberth1990>unity sucks dick IMO so I havent bothered exploring it
15:19<awal>i have no idea too about unity, it was a friend laptop.
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15:20<roberth1990>awal: well stick to a desktop enviroment as check out how display configuration for example work if you to use projectors on the go
15:20<awal>what I mean is which packs are required be able to project (in my case I run xfce)
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15:20<roberth1990>poeple who are happy with just fluxbox for example likes to do such stuff manually
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15:21<roberth1990>awal: I dont think xfce has what you need, thats the problem with simple DE or wm only
15:22<roberth1990>awal: looks like you can with xfce, not sure if it appears when plugging in
15:22<roberth1990>awal: stop switching between differen DE and WM, you are just making things difficult
15:23<roberth1990>awal: but with xfce as you can see you have to it manually
15:23<jhutchins>awal: While the configuration tools vary between desktop environments, what you need to do is to get xorg to recognize the projector as a display connected to whatever port of the graphics card you use.
15:24<jhutchins>awal: You should not need any packages or drivers beyond the normal drivers for your graphics card.
15:24<roberth1990>jhutchins: he cant do that, he needs something that works quicly and automatically when connecting the projector
15:24<awal>ubuntu detected the projector (the machine that project in the screen/blackboard) automatically and all was projected since I pressed the power button until I turned off my laptop
15:25<jhutchins>Sigh. I guess you're looking for nosmoke.exe.
15:25<roberth1990>awal: yeah and xfce cant do that
15:25<roberth1990>awal: xfce doesnt fit your needs
15:25<jhutchins>roberth1990: xfce doesn't have anything to do with detecting hardware and managing the display.
15:26<awal>you know, when in class one have 20/30 minutes for do the presentation , no time for configure
15:26<roberth1990>jhutchins: yes it does
15:26<roberth1990>jhutchins: sure linux and xorg detects it, but the DE needs to enable it
15:26<roberth1990>or using xrandr command
15:27<roberth1990>jhutchins: awal needs a gui which lets him make it work in seconds which gnome and kde has
15:27<roberth1990>at least kde
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15:28<jhutchins>Nobody _needs_ a gui.
15:28<roberth1990>jhutchins: bullshit
15:28<jhutchins>awal: Is there a way you can get some time with the laptop and projector to experiment and get it working?
15:29<jhutchins>roberth1990: Please try to keep your language civil here.
15:29<awal>what i really need is connect the projector cable to my laptop and poum all detected and projected
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15:29<roberth1990>jhutchins: please try to not be egocentric then, you dont understand that other arent as intermediate or expert at handling command line as you are
15:30<awal>jhutchins: that the problem. no time. a few students have to present there projects, one after one
15:30<jhutchins>awal: That doesn't happen reliably in Windows even.
15:30<jhutchins>awal: xrandr is pretty easy to use from the command line.
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15:30<roberth1990>yeah either learn how to use xrandr or use another DE
15:31<jhutchins>awal: Here are some possible guides: <- this says that it can be done within the xfce settings manager.
15:31<awal>jhutchins: as I said this machine is dualbooted with windows7. I was forced to use windows and all detected automatically
15:32<awal>ok jhutchins, roberth1990, I check the links
15:32<jhutchins>awal: Just treat the projector as another monitor.
15:32<awal>ok, ok
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15:35<awal>so what I understood is that linux kernel and xorg should detect the projector (the machine that project in the screen) automatically but things must be configured in xfce (or the WM's) ?
15:35<jhutchins>awal: The configuration actually happens at the xorg level, but yeah.
15:35<jhutchins>awal: Some hardware will detect and enable it automatically, but that's usually more hardware features than OS.
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15:39<awal>jhutchins, roberth1990, ok. thanks for your time and suggestions. I'll check the link's .
15:40<roberth1990>awal: but if you dont get a good understanding of it, I suggest you use kde for example instead....
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15:41<awal>I have to find a place in school for try and experiment if they let me.
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15:41<roberth1990>awal: you can use a 2nd monitor to practice too
15:42<roberth1990>and projector and monitor is the same for the computer
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15:43<awal>roberth1990, by projector I mean the machine connected to my laptop, the one that project in the school screen. so my debian will consider it as a second monitor?
15:44<awal>i don't knew that
15:44<roberth1990>they both do the same thing so why shouldnt they be?
15:45<awal>no familiar with external monitor's and projectors...
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15:46<roberth1990>well now you are more familiar
15:47<roberth1990>and dont expect xfce to be better at this in the nearest future
15:47<roberth1990>xfce developements goes very slow
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15:49<awal>probably yeah. I think I have to have gnome or better kde present in my system for stuffs like that. WM's are fine for home use but for work I think I need a complete DE such as Kde
15:49<pangolinrollin>kde at work here
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15:49<pangolinrollin>gnome was too buggy
15:50<roberth1990>at home you have time to dick around, you cant do that at work awal
15:50<pangolinrollin>jessie is running great
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15:50<roberth1990>pangolinrollin: yeah jessie's version of kde is awesome
15:50<awal>roberth1990, exact
15:50<roberth1990>when it logs into kde properly for me yeah :P
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15:52<awal>I'm more confident with kde, not really with gnome 3
15:52<roberth1990>yeah gnome 3 is so simple its difficult to use IMO
15:53<roberth1990>and gtk is so slow compared to qt
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15:54<awal>by confident I mean I can be "sure" that all will run fine. I used wheezy/kde durring 1 year and I was so too bored because I never had issues :)
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15:57<roberth1990>awal: then you need to find things to do on your computer
15:57<pangolinrollin>lol coding is fun
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15:59*roberth1990 kills time with reddit...
16:00<awal>If no bugs, problems ... one don't learn about gnu/linux. I have several laptops here. One is fresh , with no OS , a Dell intel i5, 6 gb ram. waiting jessie release and I'll install jessie/kde on it
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16:00<jhutchins>roberth1990: According to that first link, xfce can already handle the configuration of a second monitor.
16:01<roberth1990>awal: if you are busy learning, you dont have time to actually use the computer
16:01<pangolinrollin>why not just use jessie now? :P
16:01<roberth1990>jhutchins: but it lacks essential features
16:01<pangolinrollin>help bug track and report :D
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16:02<roberth1990>jhutchins: it cant configure if the second display is left right of the 1st
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16:02<roberth1990>jhutchins: you still have to use xrandr to do that
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16:02<awal>jhutchins: i'm not sure, but xfce12 have comes with a new tool for handle external monitors easly and it does more stuffs
16:02<roberth1990>awal: yeah but 4.12 isnt in unstable yet
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16:03<awal>pangolinrollin, yes I have jessie and sid in other laptops yet...
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16:04<awal>roberth1990: xfce 4.12 isn't in unstable yet. still in experimetal
16:04<LeLutin>I'm trying to configure reportbug to use my own mail server as MTA and I've set --tls --smtphost=fqdn:587 --smtpuser=someone but it doesn't seem to handle starttls. I couldn't find whether reportbug supports starttls at all..
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16:05<roberth1990>awal: yes thats what I said
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16:06<awal>roberth1990, sorry, thats bcuz, I don't had my coffee yet :)
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16:09<Human_G33k>Hello, somebody know a a free software for benchmarking cluster ?
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16:14<roberth1990>Human_G33k: ?
16:14<blast007>awal: in my quick testing in Wheey 7.8.0 on a Dell E5500 (Intel GPU), Xfce is a bit wonky with cloning displays. It works okay if you have both displays plugged in from the start, but trying to get it to clone after the fact wasn't working. (Fn+F8 is the display mode shortcut on this Dell, and that triggers the display mode popup I was testing with)
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16:15<Human_G33k>roberth1990 thx :)
16:15<blast007>awal: LXDE didn't seem to give any options for cloning in their display options, but again, worked okay if you had both displays plugged in from the start.
16:16<blast007>awal: Gnome, however, automatically enabled the secondary display when I plugged it in (though it was in spanning mode instead of clone, so I had to press Fn+F8 once or twice to get it into clone).
16:16<blade>Hi was wondering if someone could help me on a simple question, if i install jessie rc2 now, will it became stable later just by system updates? Or do i need to install a new image at a later date? Thank you
16:17<roberth1990>blade: can you adjust with gui in gnome manually easily?
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16:22<valdyn>blade: yes
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16:23<blade>valdyn thank you for the answer but was it yes to the first question or the second question? can i install now and will it become stable just by sytem updates? I ask becuase it will be use for a server
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16:26<valdyn>blade: yea
16:26<valdyn>blade: now is a good time to install
16:26<blade>valdyn, thank you for your help
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16:30<LeLutin>ah! found out how to send. seems like reportbug's --tls option actually only supports starttls for now, and also that adding "tls" in ~/.reportbugrc does not enable that option. I needed to add the "--tls" option on the command line
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16:44<ryouma>what is "xprop" used for? it shows up in ps a lot.
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16:46<awal>blast007: sorry i was away. Ok, thanks for experimenting there. Thinking a bit I'm pretty sure that the projector wasn't detected by my debian because it was in use yet. When I tried with ubuntu the projector was off, I turned it after plugging the cable to my laptop (cable plugged, turned on projector and then turned on ubuntu). So next time I have that in mind. Thanks
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16:50<ntcbow>awesome! i've just installed xserver-xorg-video-modesetting from sid and now i can use xrandr and my 1920x1200 monitor with the sony p11z gma500 netbook!
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16:55<awal>blast007: if lxde detects secondary displays if they are plugged in from the start, I guess that any DE/WM will do the same :)
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17:58<jey>hello, anybody knows how to get conky-manager in jessie?
17:59<roberth1990>jey: is available in other versions of debian?
18:00<roberth1990>*is it
18:00<jey>nope, but i found one for debian 1 minute ago :D
18:00<roberth1990>okay then
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18:17<Vikinger>i just restarted my computer and now i cant get gnome 3
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18:18<roberth1990>Vikinger: what happens?
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18:19<Vikinger>i have gnome like with a toolbar on top, Applications | Places
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18:20<Vikinger>in the login screen i can chose between Gnome | Gnome Classic | system default
18:20<Vikinger>but they all show the same thing
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18:22<roberth1990>Vikinger: which version of debian are you on?
18:22<Vikinger>3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux
18:23<Vikinger>all i did i turn off the computer, to clean the dust out, didnt touch anything, and turned it back on
18:23<roberth1990>and at the login screen, all the alternatives are the same?
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18:24<Vikinger>in the login screen i can chose between Gnome | Gnome Classic | system default
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18:24<Vikinger>i tried them 3 and they all give me the same
18:25<roberth1990>I dont know :S
18:25<roberth1990>havent used gdm or gnome in ages and thats when gnome 2 was the current gnome
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18:26<Vikinger>where do i see the current gnome version running on the system ?
18:26<roberth1990>Vikinger: have you tried rebooting again after that happend?
18:26<pudor>thanks, men!you saved my life by adding lge support!i'll give you 21 wmr, it's all i have now and here!so just give me r purse,first will win:-)
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18:27<roberth1990>Vikinger: wheezy is on 3.4
18:28<roberth1990>its now an really old version
18:28<roberth1990>next version is in its testing stages
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18:29<pudor>pm me direct,i'll be here sometime:-)
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18:31<Vikinger>roberth1990 is there a gnome channel ?
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18:33<roberth1990>Vikinger: yes. #debian-gnome
18:33<Vikinger>ok thank you
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19:27<Spacemonkey7>Hi, I have a strange question
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19:28<roberth1990>Spacemonkey7: dont ask to ask, just ask
19:28<Spacemonkey7>So, I installed Debian 7 on an Apple PowerBook G4 12"
19:29<Spacemonkey7>Everything is working fine, but the lower third of my screen won't render text or images
19:29<Spacemonkey7>I've tried googling for the firmware, but I can't find it, or anyone with this issue
19:29<roberth1990>Spacemonkey7: what gpu does it use?
19:31<Spacemonkey7>VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200]
19:32<roberth1990>Spacemonkey7: what driver have you installed for the gpu?
19:32<Spacemonkey7>Whatever the default is, I installed this last week
19:33<Spacemonkey7>The only firmware I had to manually download was the wireless
19:33<roberth1990>hmmm well then it is nouveau or the 2d only driver
19:34<roberth1990>Spacemonkey7: I would upgrade to jessie and see if the newer versions of the gpu driver there fixes the problems, the driver you use now is very old and in a very early stage of developement if it is nouveau, but im not sure
19:35<Spacemonkey7>Is there a PowerPC version of Jessie?
19:35<roberth1990>or it isnt used at all, so you have the nv driver
19:37<ryouma>all of a sudden, feh stopped working. it hangs. was there a recent upgradet hat could have caused this?
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19:42<Spacemonkey7>I'm upgrading to Jessie now, hopefully this fixes it. Thank you!
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19:44<roberth1990>SpaceKookie: dont kill me if jessie doesnt work at all :S
19:44<roberth1990>on your particular machine
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21:44<asklepian>how good is debian's support for dual gpu's (one integrated, one discrete) in a MBP?
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21:49<asklepian>that bad, huh?
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22:22<awal>Is there a way for enable auto search while typing as iceweasel does?
22:23<awal>sorry, I mean enable that in chromium ^
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22:34<roberth1990>awal: uhm that has always been enabled for by default in chromium
22:38<awal>roberth1990: I think you no understood my meaning. Example: using iceweasel, one is in wikipedia learning about debian. somewhere you read about "debian is rock and solid" but you dont know where exactly in the page. typing "debian is rock and solid" in the air (not pressing Ctrl+f) iceweasel find that for you, if that feature is enabled in preference --> advanced. I dont see that feature in chromium
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22:40<awal>as I know chromium only have 'ctrl +f' feature and it open a search bar. that's what you mean maybe
22:41<roberth1990>awal: why cant you just type ctrl+f first?
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22:42<roberth1990>anyway I dont think chromium has that feature, but you could check if there is an extension which does it
22:44<awal>roberth1990, it's more comfortable write just in the "air" like in iceweasel. no need of ctrl +f. also one have to close the search bar that chromium open's after ctrl+f if no needed, no auto-close.
22:45<roberth1990>sure it must be nice to have, but it isnt essential
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22:45<awal>yeah. so in this case +1 for iceweasel :P
22:46<roberth1990>shame firefox is both slower and less secure
22:46<roberth1990>id put those things first when choosing browser
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22:48<awal>chromium more secure? hmmm I no agree. I can't really judge but I'm more confident with iceweasel, almost with extensions like adblock-plus, noscrpt...
22:48<awal>first time I hear that chrome/chromium is more secure then firefox/iceweasel...
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22:49<roberth1990>awal: all those extensions exist for chromium too, and if you dont agree, then you know nothing of how both of those browser works under the hood
22:50<awal>probably, I cant tell you...
22:50<roberth1990>ranks chrome which is chromium as more secure than firefox
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22:51<roberth1990>one of the reasons chromium is better than firefox on security is that it has sandboxing for example
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22:52<roberth1990>chromium is less secure than chrome since chrome prohibits installation of extensions from outside of googles store
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22:57<awal>you maybe right, I'm not expert in browsers/security. But I feel more "free" running firefox/iceweasel, more stable for everything here
22:57<roberth1990>awal: chromium is just as open source as firefox
22:57<awal>yeah, I know that
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22:58<roberth1990>whoever is behind the current search engine which is default in firefox pays mozilla money to do that
22:58<roberth1990>so dont think are free from the corporations when using firefox
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22:59<awal>I prefer the firefox design, community, userfriendly. with recent chromium/chrome versions one can't choose the default search engine, at least
23:00<roberth1990>you can choose which search engine you want to use in chromium
23:00<awal>,v chromium
23:00<judd>Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze:; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; sid: 41.0.2272.118-1; jessie: 41.0.2272.118-1
23:01<awal>not sure roberth1990, since version 3o+ or so
23:01<roberth1990>awal: thats nosense
23:01<roberth1990>no basis on reality
23:01<awal>check chromium settings and you will see
23:02<roberth1990>I just checked, its horseshit
23:02<roberth1990>you can either choose from the list or add your own
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23:03<awal>ok, let me check. there is bugs reported about that. maybe the problem is solved recently
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23:03<roberth1990>it has always been like this, I ran for a while duckduckgo in chromium
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23:05<awal>robert1990: lol, ok , sorry. you right. i was confused. what I wanted to say and refer to is be able to have a blanck startup page, no search engine . i think i'm sleepy :P
23:06<roberth1990>awal: oh yeah thats something different
23:06<awal>yes, that's what I wanted to say, sorry :)
23:08<somiaj>awal: not sure if this would work. But you could just say touch $HOME/startpage.html, and then make file:///home/username/startpage.html your start page.
23:09<roberth1990>somiaj: doesnt help when you open a new tab
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23:09<awal>roberth1990: anyway, I like firefox/iceweasel. I run chromium just bcuz of pepper. sorry :)
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23:10<somiaj>roberth1990: you can't make the newtab just open up to the startup page?
23:10<awal>somiaj: thanks, I tried similar thing, but it no work for new tab as roberth1990 said
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23:10<roberth1990>somiaj: no you have to tell chromium to open homepage instead
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23:13<roberth1990>somiaj: awal ^
23:13<roberth1990>I dont care I use googles search engine
23:14<somiaj>I just ignore things I see so rarely.
23:14<somiaj>though I admit I use the recent tab thumbnails more than I thought I would when I first started with chromium.
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23:24<awal>robert1990: so your sentence "chrome is more secure the firefox" is based in what is said in the link you posted (
23:25<roberth1990>no I base that on the fact that chrome has sandboxing for example which firefox doesnt have
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23:27<roberth1990>awal: that link was the answer to your claim that you havent heard it before, so I found it prove that it is a normal opinion
23:27<roberth1990>or to be f
23:28<roberth1990>or to be more specific, they have real sandboxing
23:28<roberth1990>they achieve that by running each tab in its own process
23:28<roberth1990>same with plugins scripts on pages
23:29<awal>"In the end, your security is based mostly on your behavior. No browser can always protect a user who’s browsing habits are unsafe. As always, practice good behavior, no matter what browser you’re using." the autor say's. that is a good sentence.
23:30<roberth1990>awal: and not everyone has good behaviour regarding security
23:30<roberth1990>security regards anyone
23:31<awal>with very good privacy, as firefox/iceweasel have, + good behaviour, firefox win's :)
23:32<roberth1990>awal: no it doesnt
23:32<roberth1990>awal: chromium +good behaviour wins
23:32<roberth1990>read the article again
23:33<roberth1990>firefox is rated as good while chrome is rated as VERY good
23:33<themill>The bits where it says that it's a flawed comparison and that they're all fine?
23:33<roberth1990>themill: im not using it as the basis of my statement, as I said it was the response to awal being under the impression that no one has the opinion that chrome is more secure
23:34<themill>(I'm also not sure this has anything to do with Debian user support)
23:34<roberth1990>themill: it doesnt
23:34<awal>there are many things involved in the use of x browser. when debian project switch to chrome as "default" browser I'll do same
23:34<awal>themill: you right, we are offtopic
23:35<roberth1990>awal: what DE do you use?
23:35<awal>robert1990: i have xfce, but I usually run fluxbox or i3
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23:36<roberth1990>awal: the default in debian are gnome, why arent you using it?
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23:36<awal>I'm trying to discover more luakit
23:36<roberth1990>yeah but gnome is the best according to your way of thinking
23:37<awal>robert1990: I believe so. I just don't need it for now :)
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23:40<awal>there is no really defaults in debian, since all browser's and DE are present in the repos and almost all the DE are included in the iso images.
23:41<roberth1990>awal: then why are you using the point that firefox is default in debian as an argument to use it?
23:41<roberth1990>seems like you just make up arguments to justify your emotions as you go
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23:44<themill>Just because it's IRC doesn't mean you have to argue.
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23:45<roberth1990>themill: its like almost 6 in the morning for us, perfect time to argue
23:45<awal>since september 11, US government say's that people have to "choose between security or privacy". most people chose security.... Ok, robert1990, forget it. I go have my dinner and we offtopic :) thanks for you time (Y)
23:45<roberth1990>awal: no they havent said that
23:46<roberth1990>awal: and privacy != security
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23:46<roberth1990>generally speaking
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23:48<roberth1990>and even if I was a us citizen, why should I care practically speaking that the government knows what I do?
23:49<awal>me I choose privacy instead of security, in general. ok, bye, robert1990 :) dinner here (Y)
23:50<roberth1990>awal: without security your privacy can easily be breach people you want even less to know personal things about than the us government
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