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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-04-12

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00:25<srvk>will any of the virtualization options in the main repository do a good job running virtual windows 7 compared to virtualbox?
00:29<somiaj>srvk: I use libvirt with kvm/qemu, and it works fine
00:29<somiaj>srvk: any reason why you dont' want to use virtualbox?
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00:36<srvk>aren't the guest additions proprietary?
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00:40<somiaj>srvk: why do you ask that, are you wonderign why virtualbox is in contrib and that is why you don't want to use it, or are you just wantign to change?
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00:40<somiaj>srvk: but yes win7 works just fine for me under kvm-qemu, which I use with libvirt
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00:54<cheapie>...OK, so I have this hard drive here, and I decided to run badblocks in destructive write mode. While no read or write errors have occurred, it comes up with 32 "corruption" (read back something other than what it wrote) each time it reads, on different blocks every time.
00:54<cheapie>Any ideas?
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01:17<srvk>somiaj: I don't have much problem with the reason why it's in contrib, but the guest additions do make it go a lot faster, but I'm suspicious of them.
01:17<srvk>I'll try libvirt kvm-qemu
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01:22<somiaj>yea the guest additions are sure nice. There are some opensource ones I thought too.
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01:48<Minotaur>I can't find my nm-connection-editor
01:48<Minotaur>where is it?
01:48<Minotaur>how Can I reinstall it?
01:48<Minotaur>thks
01:49<Minotaur>I have reinstalled the network-manager-gnome
01:49<Minotaur>nothing changed
01:50<Minotaur>[todd@Matrix ~]$ nm-connection-editor
01:50<Minotaur>bash: nm-connection-editor: command not found
01:50<Minotaur>[todd@Matrix ~]$ whereis nm-connection-editor
01:50<Minotaur>nm-connection-editor:
01:50<Minotaur>[todd@Matrix ~]$
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01:51<themill>Minotaur: you may need to "hash -r" if you've only just installed the package
01:52<themill>!rehash
01:52<dpkg>After changing your PATH or installing new packages, you may need to tell your shell to forget old program locations (or to forget that the command was not found). In bash, "hash -r" will do this ("help hash" for more details). In zsh, "rehash". See also <PATH>.
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01:56<Minotaur>themill, still not work
01:56<themill>which release of debian are you using?
01:57<Minotaur>I think it's the latest one
01:58<themill>that's not very meaningful.
01:59<Minotaur>how to identify it?
01:59<themill>What does "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome dpkg apt libc6; apt-cache policy" output? Please use http://paste.debian.net
02:01<Minotaur>themill, http://paste.debian.net/166360/
02:02<themill>network-manager-gnome doesn't look very installed there
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02:04<Minotaur>themill, Thank you very much
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02:14<srvk>kvm is no longer in main?
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02:19<themill>,i qemu-kvm
02:19<judd>Package qemu-kvm (misc, optional) in wheezy/i386: Full virtualization on x86 hardware. Version: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u6; Size: 1720.7k; Installed: 4765k; Homepage: http://www.linux-kvm.org/
02:19<themill>srvk: ^^
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02:30<somiaj>srvk: libvirt is a nice system to control it, look at virt-manager if you want a gui tool, virsh for command line.
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02:40<srvk>Oh, yes I overlooked it
02:41<srvk>ever tried qtemu?
02:41<srvk>about to give that one a shot
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03:37<Angel>hi all
03:37<Angel>can anyone help me with a small problem?
03:43<Angel>i need help with kali
03:43<Angel>please
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03:54<devil>Angel: only debian is supported here
03:54<devil>!kali
03:54<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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05:24<yaclm>Hello! My laptop lags after startup and there is a huge delay for mouse and keyboard inputs. htop shows 50% cpu load (kernel) but doesn't show which command causes this huge load. any hints, keywords, solutions?
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06:40<gummyb3ar>what kind of chat room is this
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06:41<SynrG>For Debian support
06:41<gummyb3ar>what is debian?
06:42<SynrG>www.debian.org
06:42<gummyb3ar>ok ty
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06:42<gummyb3ar>opps i'm in wrong room then lol, good day
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09:12<f-a>hello debianers, I have got a problem with ibus. It worked nice until a couple of days ago (I use ibus anthy), not it seems I am unable to switch input method (my shortcut is Ctrl+Space).
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09:13<f-a>any help in diagnosing this would be appreciated (if there is a specific channel for this, even better)
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10:53<dt>hello
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10:54<dt>Could I get some help with hybrid Intel/AMD graphics?
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10:55<centrx>!ask
10:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:01<dtluna>I am running Debian 8. I am trying to get some info about my hardware with 'glxinfo' command. I get: http://pastebin.com/rb6kC5RE inxi -G output: http://pastebin.com/1HrXhMy2
11:01<dtluna>What is wrong with glxinfo in my system?
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11:05<abrotman>dtluna: what's your video driver?
11:05<dtluna>All info in http://pastebin.com/1HrXhMy2
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11:06<abrotman>that's not all info
11:08<dtluna>Okay
11:08<dtluna>What command should I run to get the info?
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11:25<abrotman>dtluna: look in your logs in /var/log/
11:25<dtluna>Which specifically?
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11:48<dtluna>I followed the solution from Ubuntu forum and it helped
11:48<dtluna>Thanks anyway
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13:49<Funambuli>does anyone knows any vpn server that works on port 80?
13:50<valdyn>Funambuli: the port is configurable
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15:24<Creak>Yop! What's the simplest way to install a mail server?
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15:26<ixi>you you are running wheezy you should already have one
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15:27<ixi>since debian comes with exim
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15:27<ixi>all you need is to configure it https://wiki.debian.org/Exim
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15:29<Creak>Thx ixi.
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15:31<Creak>ixi: Exim is a good mail server? I often heard of other server like sendmail or postfix
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15:32<ixi>Creak see https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/DefaultMTA#Comparison for some comparison
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15:33<Creak>Cool thx again ixi ;)
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15:56<Creak>Is it better to use apt-get or aptitude?
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15:59<awal>Creak: my PERSONAL opinion/experience is better no mix them
15:59<devil>Creak: you might want to use both on different occasions
16:00<devil>awal: works fine nowadays
16:02<awal>devil: right but sometimes I have problems regarding deps after remove /purge depending on which one I used for install
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16:02<awal>they work fine ofcourse nowdays , it's just a question of time. sometimes one have to fix things manually when mixing
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16:03<devil>I always use apt to install and dist-upgreade. just in cases apt has no solution for a given problem, I consult aptitude
16:04<Creak>how did we ended up with two solution for package management?
16:04<devil>because we are linux
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16:06<awal>I fing aptitude, in my humble opinion, more powerful for find/remove broken things
16:06<awal>I find ^
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16:06<awal>broken & obsolete packs, libs...
16:07<devil>it also depends on the flavour. I find apt in unstable much more appropriate. aptitude is to smart for such a fast moving target imho
16:09<awal>yes, that's the "general" opinion I find about in the web. apt more suitable for testing/unstable. for stable both do good/same job
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16:10<devil>it is my experience with unstable for the past 12 years
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16:18<SynrGy>still fud being circulated about aptitude and apt-get mixing? sigh.
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16:18<SynrGy>!aptitude myths
16:18<dpkg>Myths about APT never seem to die, the principal one being you can't mix using different APT front-ends like apt-get and aptitude. This is false. If you need further convincing, see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9 and http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ . See also <why aptitude> and <why not aptitude> for real reasons to choose one over the other.
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16:19<SynrGy>that seems to never die :p
16:19<SynrGy>i mean. the factoid was written several years ago ...
16:20<SynrGy>and it was old *then*
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16:43<HappyClam>I haven't any man page since some times. Does anyone can direct me to a solution?
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16:46<SynrGy>HappyClam: sounds like man-db is not being run successfully
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16:46<SynrGy>cron should run it daily
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16:46<HappyClam>root crontab?
16:47<SynrGy>see /etc/cron.daily/man-db
16:47<SynrGy>also, package installs should trigger it
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16:49<w>hola
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16:50<HappyClam> /etc/cron.daily/man-db is there but I dont know if its correct. How can I verify that package installs trigger it?
16:50<SynrGy>as root, try:
16:50<SynrGy>mandb
16:50<SynrGy>paste the results
16:50<SynrGy>(paste.debian.net, of course)
16:51<Guest1858>hola hay algienhay
16:52<awal>Any one have tried this kind of machine https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-pocket-wee-gnu-linux-desktop ?
16:52<Guest1858>?????
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16:52<HappyClam>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b4f055b5/ but my debian is in french
16:52<HappyClam>it dont do any error
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16:53<Guest1858>hola HappyClam
16:53<SynrGy>so when you say you don't have any man pages, what happens?
16:53<HappyClam>Hi
16:53<Brigo>Guest1858, This channel is for english support, try #debian-es
16:53<Guest1858>mi nombre es ismael
16:54<HappyClam>It just print a line e.g. "Manual page dpkg(1) line ?/? (END) (press h for help or q to quit)"
16:54<Guest1858>cual es el tuyo
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16:54<SynrGy>for all man pages, or just this one?
16:54<HappyClam>all
16:55<Guest1858>i am is spanis
16:55<SynrGy>HappyClam: ls -l /usr/share/man/man1/man.1.gz
16:56<HappyClam>dont exist
16:56<Guest1858>yes
16:57<SynrGy>HappyClam: did you remove some files from your system accidentally?
16:57<Guest1858>+34616321760
16:57-!-mode/#debian [+o SynrGy] by ChanServ
16:57-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@176.121.66.20] by SynrGy
16:57-!-mode/#debian [-o SynrGy] by SynrGy
16:57<HappyClam>SynrGy: Normally not
16:57<SynrGy>Guest1858: English only, here. if you want help with Debian in spanish, join #debian-es
16:57<SynrGy>!es
16:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
16:57<SynrGy>!es-social
16:57<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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16:58<SynrGy>HappyClam: ls -l /usr/share/man/man1
16:58<HappyClam>lots of *.gz
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16:58<SynrGy>can you view any of those man pages?
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17:00<HappyClam>no, same result as above
17:01<SynrGy>is the man-db package installed?
17:01<SynrGy>dpkg -l man-db
17:01<dpkg>No packages found matching man-db
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17:02<HappyClam>Yep, I already tried to reinstall it
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17:03<SynrGy>i don't understand why you don't have man.1.gz ...
17:03<SynrGy>that's provided by the man-db package
17:03<SynrGy>maybe you use localepurge and you've screwed it up?
17:03<HappyClam>What is it exactly? I have another machine with almost the same install. Is it wise to copy it?
17:04<SynrGy>it's not the file i'm interested in. it's the *reason* the file's not there that is interesting
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17:04<SynrGy>so copying it won't change anything
17:04<SynrGy>do you use localepurge?
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17:05<HappyClam>no
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17:06<SynrGy>debsums -c man-db
17:06<SynrGy>you may need to install debsums to do this check
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17:08<HappyClam>it report some missing files
17:08<HappyClam>man.1.gz is in it
17:08<HappyClam>https://paste.debian.net/166446/
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17:11<SynrGy>are you sure you don't use localepurge?
17:11<SynrGy>do 'dpkg -l localepurge'
17:12<SynrGy>it's the only thing i know that would systematically damage packages in this way
17:12<HappyClam>localpurge is installed
17:12<SynrGy>when i asked you before, you said you didn't use it.
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17:12<SynrGy>nothing i know of depends on this package. you would've had to deliberately install it
17:13<SynrGy>is it possible someone advised you to install this to save disk space and you didn't know what it was or what it did?
17:13<HappyClam>Yes, I didn't directly use it at least. Is it lauch by another program?
17:13<SynrGy>yes. every time you install a package, it is run to strip out unused locales
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17:14<SynrGy>if you did not configure it, then it explains why your user's locale is purged
17:15<SynrGy>it is not a good thing to install unless you understand what it does and what the consequences are.
17:16<HappyClam>Haaa, it's maybe that. I once remove extra local files but it was before I lost my man. I'll search that way.
17:16<SynrGy>HappyClam: 'apt-cache show localepurge'
17:16<SynrGy>read the package description now
17:16<HappyClam>Sorry for the false information
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17:17<SynrGy>HappyClam: 'debsums -c' (no arguments) will list all damaged packages.
17:17<SynrGy>HappyClam: if you reinstall those without localepurge present (or with localepurge finally configured correctly) you can get back what you lost
17:17<SynrGy>HappyClam: you might want to stop and consider whether this sort of microoptimization is really worth it in your case.
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17:18<SynrGy>"hundreds of megabytes" saved, as per the package description's claim ...
17:18<SynrGy>is a mere drop in the bucket on modern hard drives.
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17:18<SynrGy>unless you're deploying Debian to a very drive space constrained system, it's usually not worth the hassle.
17:19<HappyClam>Ouch, the list is long...
17:19<petn-randall>The amount of space saved by purging locales is gobbled up by the tenfold space all the IRC logs take up to debug any issues rising from that.
17:19<HappyClam>I'll follow your advice. Thanks to point me my mistakes
17:20<SynrGy>petn-randall: heh. true, that :)
17:20<HappyClam>haha
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17:21<HappyClam>I have removed localpurge and installed a package. Should I have the man page?
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17:24<SynrGy>if you really installed it
17:24<SynrGy>to install a package again you may need 'apt-get install --reinstall packagename'
17:24<HappyClam>Yes, it's a package I hadn't
17:24<SynrGy>ok
17:25<SynrGy>so you purged localepurge?
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17:26<HappyClam>yes
17:26<SynrGy>it contains a hook in /etc. files from etc aren't removed unless you purge
17:26<SynrGy>ok
17:27<HappyClam>aptitude purge localepurge ?
17:27<HappyClam>Is that right ?
17:27<SynrGy>that should do it
17:28<SynrGy>which package did you install?
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17:28<HappyClam>nload
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17:29<SynrGy>HappyClam: and 'man nload' does what?
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17:30<HappyClam>Manual page nload(1) line ?/? (END) (press h for help or q to quit)
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17:30<SynrGy>ls -l /usr/share/man/man1/nload.1.gz
17:31<HappyClam>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2466 mai 28 2012 /usr/share/man/man1/nload.1.gz
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17:31<SynrGy>man -LC man
17:31<SynrGy>oops, um
17:31<SynrGy>man -LC nload
17:32<HappyClam>same as above
17:32<SynrGy>well, the file is there, at least
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17:32<HappyClam>:)
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17:33<SynrGy>nload only has an english man page, looks like
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17:34<SynrGy>i'm not sure how to undamage your system at this point. maybe reinstall man-db now?
17:34<SynrGy>reinstall locales?
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17:35<SynrGy>apt-get install --reinstall locales man-db
17:35<SynrGy>just guesses.
17:35<HappyClam>didn't work...
17:35<SynrGy>i'm sure you'll understand if I'm reluctant to experiment on my own system :)
17:35<HappyClam>Sure
17:36<SynrGy>how did you test? did you try 'man man'?
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17:37<HappyClam>this give the same as always
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17:37<HappyClam>I think I'll give up for tonight
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17:38<HappyClam>I'll search about localepurge and the things it can break.
17:38<SynrGy>here's a thought. obtain a tardis. step into it. travel back to before you installed localepurge.
17:38<SynrGy>problem solved
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17:38<HappyClam>HAHAHA
17:38<HappyClam>I'll repare a lot of things with this method !
17:38<SynrGy>:)
17:38<SynrGy>good luck
17:38<SynrGy>and goodnight
17:39<HappyClam>Thanks you SynrGy for your help
17:39<HappyClam>goodnight
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19:19<mrfrog_>good evening
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19:20<mrfrog_>does anyone could help me to find #pc-talk
19:20<mrfrog_>or @artictelecom?
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19:45<Ionic>like, shouldn't ${shlibs:Depends} in debian/control pull in linked libraries automatically?
19:47<Ionic>hmm... it should, and as far as I see, it also does...
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20:16<hubutm20>there is a problem i think, in synaptic accessing fso-deviced website i get https://services.drlauer-research.com/ not http://www.freesmartphone.org/
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20:42<alun0_>any php expert ?
20:43<alun0_>please I need some help
20:44<abrotman>alun0_: there is ##php on irc.freenode.net
20:45<abrotman>alun0_: no reason to msg me
20:45<abrotman>alun0_: connect to freenode, ask #freenode for help on joining ##php
20:45<alun0_>okay thanks
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21:52<Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps i am having trouble with my video card and an old monitor
21:52<Eryn_1983_FL>erin@terreis:~$xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1366x768 --rate 60
21:52<Eryn_1983_FL>xrandr: cannot find crtc for output VGA-0
21:52<Eryn_1983_FL>http://sprunge.us/HIAj
21:53<abrotman>which video card?
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21:54<Eryn_1983_FL>one sec
21:54<Eryn_1983_FL>my bad for doing both
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21:54<Eryn_1983_FL>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT215 [GeForce GT 240] (rev a2)
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21:55<abrotman>so it won't set your resolution?
21:55<abrotman>seems to me it already has the resolution you want?
21:55<Eryn_1983_FL>xrandr: cannot find crtc for output VGA-0 is the error, i even try --auto
21:56<Eryn_1983_FL>right,
21:56<Eryn_1983_FL>nothing turns on at all
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21:56<Eryn_1983_FL>well, let me explain
21:56<Eryn_1983_FL>i get two devices, not three,
21:56<Eryn_1983_FL>either hdmi, dvi, dvi vga, or vga hdmi
21:57<Eryn_1983_FL>are some vard incapable of running all three?
21:57<Eryn_1983_FL>cards
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22:01<Eryn_1983_FL>fyi they are also not the same devices
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22:03<Eryn_1983_FL>https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/535366/gt-640-3-monitors-/
22:03<Eryn_1983_FL>sighs
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23:53<alex>hola
23:53<P3D03MP1R3>where have the jailbait and hard candy links disappeared to?
23:55<alex>CALLARE LOKA
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23:56<tpatt>hola
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23:58<alex>hola quien quiere ser mi amigo
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23:59<tpatt>lol si
23:59<alex>q
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