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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-04-13

---Logopened Mon Apr 13 00:00:31 2015
00:00<tpatt>quiero ser su amigo!
00:01<alex>si amigo
00:01<alex>mejor ablamos en el chat
00:02<tpatt>espanol no es mi primera, hablo ingles :)
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00:02<tpatt>solo hablo un poco espanol
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00:20<PedroBear>me gusta chingar ninos
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00:22<somiaj>!es
00:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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00:38<crane>good morning (at least in my timezone) I have trouble with preseeding an installation. It gets stuck at the beginning of the installation where I have to choose a language. I thought that would be handled with these few lines http://paste.debian.net/166475/ Can someone help me out? :)
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01:25<anonymous>hello :)
01:25<anonymous>whats up guys?
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01:30<brentaarnold>Hi all, I'm having an issue getting Java to work on Debian Jessie: I've installed both default-jre and default-jdk but when trying to test Java the plugin is not working.
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01:35<jm_>brentaarnold: jre does not include a plugin, install icedtea-7-plugin or somesuch
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01:39<brentaarnold>jm_: Plugin still not supported
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01:39<brentaarnold>On the Java verification page
01:39<brentaarnold>after installing icedtea-7-plugin
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01:40<jm_>brentaarnold: which browser are you using?
01:40<brentaarnold>Google Chrome
01:42<brentaarnold>https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/qPiZkcLwFFk
01:42<jm_>yeah this is made for iceweasel, find out where it reads plugins from and make a symlink there
01:42<brentaarnold>Possibly releavant
01:42<brentaarnold>relevant*
01:43<jm_>ahh so they don't do npapi anymore, heh
01:45<brentaarnold>Haha, bye Chrome
01:45<brentaarnold>annoying
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01:48<somiaj>yea unsure if java has a pepper-api plugin or not
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02:29<roberth1990>it doesnt
02:30<roberth1990>I had to use firefox when accessing my bank untill they upgraded to a html5 sollution
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06:44<huig>hello, i have user1 and user2. i inserted a usb storage device and mounted in /media/user1.. how can i mount it another time with user2 to /media/user2?
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06:51<carusi>Hi guys, do you know if there is any package I can use to get a wider number of wifi cards detected by Debian?
06:51<carusi>To make it clear: distros like crunchbang or kali see almost all the wifi cards, while with the official debian installer I sometimes have problems
06:53<carusi>And when I manage to convince people to get rid of Windows I'd like everything to go smooth in their brand new Debian system :D
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06:53<jm_>carusi: don't think there's a package for it, but there's https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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06:55<huig>i am using udisks mount -b /dev/sdb1 but it gives me an error: already mounted at..
06:55<huig>s/udisks/udisksctl
06:55<carusi>thanks jm_, but how comes that those distros can detect so many wifis more?
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06:56<jm_>carusi: I think the biggest "obstacle" are non-free firmware images
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06:58<carusi>Yes, I guess that's it, there is some non-free packages there
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09:17<hdon>hi all :) i've had postfix as my MTA for a few years now on Debian... it's been a while since i fiddled with the configuration though, and i'm wondering
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09:18<hdon>is /usr/share/postfix/master.cf.dist really read by postfix master?
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09:19<petn-randall>hdon: No, it's /etc/postfix/master.cf.
09:19<hdon>ah thanks petn-randall
09:19<hdon>i knew it couldn't be
09:19<hdon>stupidly i tried dpkg -L postfix | grep master.cf
09:20<hdon>and found that file. oh well :)
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09:20<hdon>ahh yes this is my config :)
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09:23<anonymous>hi qll
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09:25<roh>where can i start learning metasploit
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11:47<mumble>hi Got a quick question, pretty simple, I did a migration with the source.list to sid, I started with stable to jessie to sid and I was trying to see if there is a method to make sure and verify that I did this all correctly?
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11:52<babilen>mumble: There isn't, but if you were to paste your sources.list, the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" along with that of "apt list --upgradable" after an "apt update" run to http://paste.debian.net we might get further
11:52<babilen>mumble: Also: Is it still working as expected?
11:52<mumble>yea everything is good and working,
11:52<mumble>let me launch term
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11:54<pujan14>mumble: a simple test would be to reboot machine, if switch to systemd has messed something it would show up.
11:54<mumble>db5.1-util/unstable,unstable 5.1.29-9 amd64 [upgradable from: 5.1.29-5]
11:54<mumble>N: There is 1 additional version. Please use the '-a' switch to see it
11:54<mumble>I guess I am in SID
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11:55<mumble>now, will I stay in unstable one jessie becomes stable and sid gets moved to testing or will I be on 'testing' sid?
11:55<Apollo>sid will never move to testing
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11:55<Apollo>sid will always be sid
11:55<mumble>gotcha
11:55<Apollo>!sid
11:55<dpkg>i guess sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
11:55<pujan14>mumble: also check with apt and dpkg that there are no missing dependencies.
11:56<mumble>Yea I not have in dependencies issues
11:56<mumble>having*
11:56<mumble>any*
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11:57<pujan14>btw !testing and !jessie should clarify your doubt about moving to testing
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11:58<mumble>yea thank you, its been awhile since I've been around debian, well linux in general for that matter.
11:58<mumble>Gotta thank KVM for being as fast as bare metal now
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12:03<Guest1949>I think this is more of a general linux question. But I reciently installed KDE using the KDE-full package. Now I am trying to remove some of te componates I do not use. How do I do this without removing the full kde desktop with everything I want?
12:04<towo`>apt-get purge component1 component2 ... comnponentN
12:05<retrospectacus>followed by apt-get install thingA thingB thingC for things you want to keep
12:06<retrospectacus>until "apt-get autoremove" doesn't want to remove anything you do want.
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12:07<Guest1949>okay, that makes sense. Thank you
12:08<retrospectacus>(or apt-get unmarkauto instead of apt-get install, for slightly different behaviour (it won't upgrade the packages if possible))
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12:11<babilen>mumble: Please the aware that sid will change *a lot* after the release of jessie. I'd also strongly recommend to read the sid faq (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable) and make sure to install apt-{listbugs,listchanges}. Please also note that sid is specifically supported in #debian-next (along with testing)
12:11<babilen>(you'll be in for a rough ride)
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12:12<babilen>fwiw, If you aren't familiar with Debian I'd *strongly* recommend to track jessie for a while as this time is probably the worst possible for getting used to sid and learning about Debian.
12:14<mumble>I've used deian before and Im experienced and Im able to install and config gentoo, so I think I should be fine for the most part
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12:14<pangolinrollin>is there a terminal network graph similar to how htop looks?
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12:17<Apollo>pangolinrollin: iftop
12:17<pangolinrollin><3 ty so much
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12:34<joel>salut
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12:36<joel>comment tourner l'image du fond d'ecran dans ubuntu studio?
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12:37<Apollo>!debian
12:37<dpkg>somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
12:37<Apollo>!ubuntu
12:37<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
12:37<babilen>dpkg: ubuntu-fr
12:37<Apollo>^ notice the difference
12:37<babilen>:(
12:37<Apollo>babilen: ninja'd :p
12:38<joel>quelqu 'un parle francais
12:39<Apollo>joel: Tu n'es pas dans le channel correcte
12:39<Apollo>suivez les instructions de dpkg concernant ubuntu svp
12:39<joel>ah bon ok
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13:05<ary>Hi. I am having trouble to install skype on my debian wheezy. I got an error when i trying to install.
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13:06<mtn>ary: error messages are useful info for the channel ;)
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13:09<chrysn_>i've just upgraded a server to jessie, and my initramfs doesn't find my /usr any more.
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13:10<chrysn_>(setup is: /boot on raid1; /, /usr, /usr/local, /var and /tmp on lvm atop raid5; grub installed to disk mbrs)
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13:12<ary>mtm, here it is http://paste.debian.net/166565/
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13:13<chrysn_>everything looks a lot like https://bugs.debian.org/616689 (especially, the `vgchange -ay` workaround in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm2 works), but i've run grub-mkdevicemap, update-grub, update-initramfs and am using the current jessie versions, but still need the orkaround
13:13<mtn_>ary: see other folks complaining as well. this may help: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1314449.html
13:14<chrysn_>my understanding of how booting inside the initramfs works is rather basic -- what else could i check?
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13:14<jathan>ary: Are you using i386 or 64 bit Debian version?
13:14<mtn_>ary: this seems to be the answer in the messages: dpkg --force-overwrite but double check to make sure it applies to you
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13:16<ary>i am using 64 but already add i386 arch
13:16<jathan>apt-get install -f
13:17<jathan>after dpkg -i skype.deb
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13:19<ary>mtn_, thanks mate. that solve my problems. ;)
13:20<mtn_>ary: welcome
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13:24<chrysn_>ah, i see -- this has been merged with https://bugs.debian.org/678696 so they should probably be unmerged
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14:02<Ionic>what's the general package maintainer way of making a library obsolete?
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14:03<ixi>#debian-mentors
14:03<Ionic>changing the package in question to a dummy package is not a good idea, as pointed out by someone, due to the fact that other packages *might* depend on the package in questio... well, ok
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14:11<jelly>Ionic: when all the other packages are built against its replacement, what else needs to be done?
14:11<Ionic>jelly: there's no replacement, but I'll continue this in #debian-mentors
14:12<jelly>alright. Removing from sid/testing is better discussed there.
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14:31<chrysn_>following up on what i've described above, bts has assigned #782524 to it.
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14:53<ary>Hi again. I have a windows network and other machines using windows. Two of it have printers. The printers are already shared on windows network. How do I configure my wheezy to see and print on those windows printers?
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14:54<pangolinrollin>should be able to search for local printers and add?
14:55<pangolinrollin>https://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-09-14/files/system_config_printer_kde.png
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14:58<ary>pangolinrollin, using gnome here.
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14:59<pangolinrollin>do you have gnome system-config-printer under settings?
14:59<pangolinrollin>there should be add new > network
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15:00<pangolinrollin>standard install should find networked printers out of the box usually
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15:05<ary>pangolinrollin, i already have system-config-printer. No add network, but i have add printers. Here what i have: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34e2c0k&s=8
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15:06<ary>it doesn't let me browse the network for printers
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15:07<pangolinrollin>I don't see anything on that url
15:08<ary>found it. Solve with this: apt-get install python-smbc lol
15:08<ary>;)
15:08<ary>thanx anyway
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15:25<ary>pangolinrollin, Hi again. What driver i should use? The printer is a samsung SCX 3400 and a HP Laserjet MFP1319F
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15:27<pangolinrollin>never had to use specific drivers before they just work
15:27<pangolinrollin>here:
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15:27<pangolinrollin>https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting
15:27<pangolinrollin>see No Printer Drivers
15:27<pangolinrollin>Most of the more common printer should already have drivers in cups system.
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15:28<pangolinrollin>the is both samsung and hp repos there on that url ^^
15:28<pangolinrollin>:)
15:28<pangolinrollin>gl
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15:57<gautham>hi
15:58<gautham>any 1 frm bangalore ??
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17:45<dimonax>Anyone using the lug.mtu.edu mirror?
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17:46<somiaj>!anyone
17:46<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
17:47<somiaj>dimonax: let me guess you are experincing issues with the mirror?
17:48<musca>the redirector service checks its mirrors every few minutes, reduces noise from mirrors *a lot*
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17:48<musca>!hdn
17:48<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from http.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main". See http://http.debian.net/ for more information. Unlike <cdn.debian.net>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which http.debian.net>.
17:48<dimonax>somiaj: Yeah. Just wondering if anyone else was.
17:48<porkupine>does anyone here recommend a distribution other than debian, if so which and why?
17:48<somiaj>porkupine: this is a debian support channel re recommend debian. (:
17:48<dimonax>somiaj: I should probably just wait a while and try again.
17:49<somiaj>dimonax: yea, what error did you get? That is sometimes important.
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17:49<dimonax>500: Internal Server Error
17:50<somiaj>dimonax: yea that sounds like an actual issue with the server (could be you are giving it bad info, but even then it should give a better error).
17:50<musca>porkupine: well, there are some fine derivatives, you could ask in #debian-derivatives
17:51<somiaj>dimonax: I am unsure the best place to go about reporting a bug to a mirror, probabaly just send the mirror admin an emial.
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17:51<porkupine>i wonder, why debian > mint for example
17:51<dimonax>somiaj: Yeah...poking around thier website looking for the email address.
17:52<somiaj>dimonax: dig the dns usually gives info to, but sometimes that is the dns admin and not the actual server admin.
17:52<somiaj>porkupine: this is personal opinion. And is off-topic here. Use the distro you like best. Just rember #debian only supports debian, not its derivatives.
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17:53<porkupine>sure
17:54<somiaj>porkupine: personally I think the os one uses shouldn't matter and it should be a matter of taste, what they like and need. Though unforntally many think the os defines what one does. (:
17:55<porkupine>yeah, that seems to be the case
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17:55<porkupine>personally I'm a noob that's looking for a shortcut
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17:57<somiaj>porkupine: debian offers a lot of freedom and choice, this also means defaults are fairly minimial and you need to configure a lot of it.
17:57<somiaj>porkupine: lots of the derivatives offer a lot more defaults, and sometimes that is what people want. A system with good defaults that lets them do everything they want. Less configuring, and less freedom (in my opinion)
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17:58<somiaj>porkupine: I think learning debian is good if you actually want to learn how to configure/manage you os. If you are happy with some derivatives defaults because it is less work, go for it, just no support from the debian comunity (though they do have their own support communities)
17:58<jathan>somiaj: Why less freedom)
17:58<jathan>?
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18:00<somiaj>jathan: freedom might not be the best word. Thinking say osX, where it is really hard and sometimes not possible to do certain things with because of all the fancy stuff.
18:05<dimonax>somiaj: Just fired off an email to server admin. Seems like nginx does this a lot.
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18:05<porkupine>somiaj could you think of any single thing that an osX user couldn't do?
18:06<somiaj>jathan: maybe more choice / less choice (Within the confines of the supplied software) is better. (:
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18:07<somiaj>porkupine: lets say in the confines of the software given to them. Of course if you can program you can do anything you can create a program to do. (:
18:08<dimonax>Anyone tried replacing the default systemd init system with the skarnet s6 suite?
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18:08<somiaj>dimonax: is this yet another obscure init system? I only know of sysv, systemd, upstart and openrc.
18:09<somiaj>dimonax: once you start replacing core stuff liek that, what you create probably isn't debian any more. :/
18:09<somiaj>porkupine: read the source code for their os. (:
18:10<dimonax>somiaj: I wouldn't call it obscure.
18:10<somiaj>dimonax: I just don't reconize it, Is this init system from some other standard *nix os?
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18:12<dimonax>somiaj: skarnet.org, it looks like it's designed for either embedded use or long running server software.(Where boot times dont really matter, because you shouldn't be rebooting on a daily basis.)
18:12<dimonax>All this init drama has tweaked my interest in the init system.
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18:13<somiaj>dimonax: looks like a place that is trying to avoid GNU software. (:
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18:14<dimonax>somiaj: If I was implementing a High_Integrity system(and I have in the past), I'd avoid it too. But GNU works well for the desktop space.
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18:15<somiaj>dimonax: seems 'runit' is in debian, which seems to be part of s6. Also seems it doens't care about boot dependcies at all.
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18:15<somiaj>oh in the lines of runit, ot runit itself
18:16<somiaj>dimonax: oh well we are drifting off topic, debian is mostly GNU
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18:16<dimonax>somiaj: True.
18:16<porkupine>what one single book would you have me read as a complete noob to anything 21st century, let alone #debian? #curious
18:17<porkupine>i'm still not clear on what GNU is. it's terrible. i have a lot of learning to do
18:17<dimonax>I outta code up a High Integrity GNU suite.
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18:22<dimonax>porkupine: "GNU" loosley defined, I guess, is a bunch of software packages whose licenses are owned by the Free Software Foundation.
18:22<dimonax>Heh.
18:22<dimonax>Back in the day I could have given a more rigorous definition, but these days I like to keep it open ended.
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18:23<porkupine>was it richard Feynman or Stallman that Krauss said was one of the 2 most inspiring people he knew....
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18:25<porkupine>dimonax probably better that way, clears the path for more things
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18:26<dimonax>If anyone is using lug.mtu.edu for thier sources...it's b0rked. The admin is working on it now.
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18:28<demo>nope but thanks
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18:28<dimonax>porkupine: You new to all things *nix, or just GNU software?
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18:28<porkupine>assume I just came out of an 1800s village.....
18:29<porkupine>all things *nix though
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18:30<demo>what 1800's village porkupine
18:30<porkupine>a russian one probably
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18:31<dimonax>porkupine: Take little time to become comfortable and familiar with the shell and the basic system commands. Most newbs like to use the GUI, nothing wrong with that, but learning the shell will serve you well in the long run.
18:31<demo>ok dunker
18:32<demo>I am using live antix/Mepis
18:32<demo>Neat OS
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18:35<porkupine>seems like a light OS to run
18:35<demo>Yes it has a reputation from Mepis of setting up live easily
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18:36<demo>Very easy for wifi setup
18:36<demo>And well rounded app ways
18:37<demo>Not a tremendous number of apps but then other apps can be just dowloaded
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19:25<Katy>You can't hack the matrix without backing up the online AI program!
19:25<centrx>This is Unix. I know this.
19:25<dcosnet>sporks
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19:36<Katy>lol
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20:13<brentaarnold>When using sensorsd on a producation worsktation, do you use an RRDB or let it log to syslog?
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20:14<stikler>hi
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20:19<dvs>!ask
20:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:48<ary>Hi folks. How can I install fglrx-legacy-driver form sid in my deb wheezy without break the whole system? dpkg once telme to add deb-src from sid, download the source, build dependencies and install resultants debs. But i don't remember the commands. Can some one givme a hint?
20:49<somiaj>ary: there should be little to know difference between those drivers.
20:50<somiaj>,v fglrx-legacy-driver
20:50<judd>Package: fglrx-legacy-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 8.97.100.7-3~bpo70+1; sid/non-free: 8.97.100.7-5
20:50<somiaj>just install the one from backports, it is 'almost' the same, legacy drivers don't change that much.
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20:52<somiaj>ary: if you wanted to you could make your own backport, /msg dpkg ssb, but I doubt it will do much. You could look up the change log to see what the -4 and -5 debian revisions have done. I'm not expecting much.
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20:58<ary>somiaj, the backported from sid is better. I already test the driver from sid, and i got a better performance with it.
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20:58<somiaj>did you use the one from wheezy-backports?
20:58<ary>somiaj, i just forgot the steps to install. I already add sid deb-src on my sources.list
20:59<ary>no. I am using firmware-linux-nonfree
20:59<ary>but is too lazy
20:59<abrotman>what? he asked about wheezy-backports
21:00<somiaj>ary: seems the only real change between the version in wheezy-backports and the one in sid was some pataches to help build against specific kernels.
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21:01<somiaj>and firmware-linux-nonfree (The opensource radeon driver) is not the same as the closed source fglrx driver. Though my experience is in the legacy case the radeon driver works just fine (though as you noticed you may get better performance in certain areas)
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21:11<ary>somiaj, I had better performance with the drivers from sid repos. Do you know the steps to install it?
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21:14<somiaj>ary: I think you are confusing the closed source fglrx driver with the radeon driver. As I said install the one from backports. It is the same driver.
21:14<somiaj>!tell ary about wheezy-backports
21:19<ary>there is not.
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21:20<ary>once i did installed fglrx from sid src-deb
21:20<ary>*deb-src
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21:21<ary>somiaj, i want to download sid deb-src and build the package to install on wheezy. How can i do that?
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21:23<somiaj>ary: do you not listen. The driver in wheezy-backports and sid is the same driver (minus a few debian patches that you may not need). So why not just isntall the backport and save yourself the time of making one.
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21:24<somiaj>!tell ary about ssb
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21:56<onitaL>Hello, are /proc and /sys supposed to have perms dr-xr-xr-x ?
21:57<onitaL>or should it be drwxr-xr-x ?
21:58<centrx>They're not real directories
21:59<centrx>If you try to create something in the directory, it won't work
21:59<centrx>regardless of the permission
21:59<onitaL>Thank you, I'm hunting for "o+w" files, and apparently I "a-x"my home user
21:59<onitaL>so I'm looking for more damage
21:59<onitaL>thanks
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22:02<centrx>onitaL, and yes they are both dr-xr-xr-x on my pretty clean system
22:03<onitaL>centrx, thank you
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22:53<mate>Hi all. Trying to compile a C/C++ project on my debian server. It is giving me fatal error: linux/seccomp.h: No such file or directory
22:54<mate>I sucessfully installed package libseccomp-dev using apt but it did not help
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22:55<LtL>mate: is build-essential installed?
22:56<mate>thought it was... checking
22:56<mate>Okay so build-essential is not installed... installing now
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