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01:00<sebboh>Is there a convenient way to append some directories to $PATH iff they aren't already in there?
01:01<somiaj>sebboh: most do that in the $HOME/.bashrc, $PATH = $PATH:/dir/1:/dir/2:/dir/3
01:01<somiaj>sebboh: arg bad syntax, PATH=$PATH:/dir/1:/dir/2:/dir/3 in your .bashrc and every time you load a bash shell those will be appeneded.
01:02<sebboh>sure.
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01:05<sebboh>But I'm going for something different. On https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap in the script under the section titled "Full process to create a complete Debian installation of sid"... I want to add instructions at the top that add /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin, /sbin, and /bin to the path if they aren't already there. Because the recipe fails if those aren't in $PATH. (chroot and thus debootstrap inherit $PATH from the shell you call it
01:05<sebboh>from.)
01:06<jm_>so just add it to the PATH and ignore the fact something might be in PATH twice or more
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01:06<sebboh>jm_ Is that good enough for the recipe on that wiki page?
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01:07<jm_>sebboh: should be fine
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01:08<somiaj>sebboh: users don't usually want sbin direcctoires in their path (snice most things they don't have premissions to run), and root or sudo should have them in their path.
01:09<somiaj>i.e. many of those commands will fail if you dont' have root permissions.
01:10<somiaj>(users can't mount, run chroot, change file permsions to other users)
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01:12<sebboh>somiaj: apparently neither root nor users have /sbin or /bin on their paths under arch linux. (or maybe it's just my particular installation. Arch isn't .. consistent.)
01:13<mudtar>Is there a way to resize a window once it's been snapped to the side? Is there perhaps a shell extension or a configuration option to allow this?
01:13<somiaj>sebboh: that sounds very bizzare, aren't there core root commands in /sbin that a root user wants to have in their $PATH
01:13<mudtar>Sorry, I mean in Gnome 3.
01:13<somiaj>sebboh: in debian root should always have sbin direcs (/sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin) in their path and commands run though sudo have it as well. users won't because they don't run those commands usually.
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01:26<mudtar>Does anyone know of what I can do to allow resizing of windows that have been snapped to the side in Gnome 3?
01:28<sebboh>somiaj: sure. The purpose of that wiki page is to show root users how to install Debian from some other unix.
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02:37<likeabird>Hi all. I accidentally deleted /sbin/shutdown (yes stupid i know). What should I do to recover?
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02:38<jm_>copy it from the relevant package
02:39<somiaj>or --reinstall the correct package, 'dpkg -S /sbin/shutdown'
02:39<somiaj>that finds the packge.
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02:41<likeabird>That was easy, thanks
02:42<likeabird>So my *real* problem is that I'm trying to build a C/C++ project: when I run make, one of the targets gives me "linux/seccomp.h: No such file or directory"...
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02:42<likeabird>So #include <linux/seccomp.h> is failing and I am not sure why...
02:42<likeabird>But I just discovered package search so this could help
02:43<jm_>it's odd that it would need that file - is it some kernel stuff?
02:43<jm_>!tell likeabird -about search
02:43<jm_>(dpkg -S won't help you if the file is not there, but look at other stuff dpkg mentioned)
02:46<likeabird>jm_: I ran dpkg -S /usr/include/linux/seccomp.h and it tells me no path matching pattern
02:46<jm_>likeabird: yeah see above
02:46<likeabird>package search?
02:47<likeabird>not sure which "thing" above you mean
02:48<jm_>the comment in () and what dpkg told you
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02:49<likeabird>dpkg doesnt say anything additional.
02:49<dpkg>likeabird: I give up, what is it?
02:50<likeabird>okay now I am confused
02:50<jm_>you have it in a private message, maybe another window/tab
02:50<jm_>!search
02:50<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>.
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02:50<likeabird>whoops! not used to this client I'm using...! I see it now
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02:53<likeabird>Okay I think have found something promising... I am installing a kernel headers package
02:53<jm_>or if it's a user space app you'll want to upgrade jessie, it apparently exists in newer glibc
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03:03<likeabird>jm_: thanks for your help.
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03:07<jm_>likeabird: no problem
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03:31<behzad>hey guys i already installed the adobe flash player but it only activated in firefox and opera is my default, i want to have it enabled on opera how can i?
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03:32<jm_>try http://www.opera.com/support/ or #opera on irc.opera.com
03:32<jm_>we don't support opera here
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04:36<behzad>jm_, well i wanted to activate it system-wide
04:36<jm_>behzad: yes ask there, we don't support opera here as it's not a debian provided package
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06:31<hillhoppernew>How do I get KDE to see my USB gamepad for Windows?
06:31<ary>!tell ary about ssb
06:32<hillhoppernew>single side band?
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06:33<Gabriel_7>hillhoppernew: which gamepad? Why do you want KDE to see the USB gamepad at all (I known there is a gamepad configuration panel but it's not very useful). You probably want to use it somewhere.
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06:33<Gabriel_7>else
06:33<hillhoppernew>It's a Logitech F310
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06:34<jm_>does kernel see it? have you used something like evtest to test it?
06:35<hillhoppernew>I tried on a previous install but there was a conflict over 32 and 64 bit wine
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06:36<Gabriel_7>IS it found in /input/dev (compare with the gamepad pluggedf in and plugged out)? in lsusb?
06:36<Gabriel_7>/dev/input not /input/dev
06:36<hillhoppernew>let me check thaat...
06:36<Gabriel_7>and in 'dmesg'
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06:39<hillhoppernew>lsusb lists 7 root hubs, a Logitech optical wheel mouse, a Sigma Micro keyboard, and my printer.
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06:41<hillhoppernew>Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a05:7211 has no device, but is listed
06:41<jm_>i'll try to connect my f510 at home and check, but lsusb should list it
06:41<hillhoppernew>fingers crossed
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06:55<mbock>hi! i think the FPGA wiki site https://wiki.debian.org/FPGA should mention the current efforts to establish a completely FOSS toolchain for iCE40 FPGAs.
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06:57<mbock>this could also affect the location of the FPGA tools in contrib, which would then not anymore necessarily rely on third-party closed-source toolchains
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07:00<mbock>any fpga (software) developers here?
07:01<jm_>so why not contribute to the wiki then? see https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki
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07:03<hillhoppernew>jm_: I saw that KDE would not run both i386 and AMD 64 as required by Wine.
07:04<jm_>hillhoppernew: I don't how to interprete this
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07:05<hillhoppernew>jm_: When installing Wine, it wants both. This setup is AMD64.
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07:06<jm_>hillhoppernew: how are you installing wine?
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07:06<[Z8Z]>hi
07:06<hillhoppernew>apt-get install wine
07:07<jm_>that should work fine, what exactly is the issue with it?
07:07<[Z8Z]>i seem to have broken my openbox workspaces. any knowledgeable people in here that could help?
07:07<hillhoppernew>Notice pops up stating it wants winei386 (32bit) installed
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07:08<jm_>!bat
07:08<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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07:09<hillhoppernew>ok
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07:12<Gabriel_7>hillhoppernew: I think you need to enable multiarch in order to be able to install 32 bit part of wine.
07:12<Gabriel_7>(but I'm using testing and I install wine from source so this is based on what I see in packages.debian.org)
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07:14<hillhoppernew>yes. that's the term. multiarch. I had it running on a previous system installation using fluxbox
07:14<jm_>multiarch setup is described on the wiki
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07:14<jm_>https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
07:15<hillhoppernew>got it
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07:21<hillhoppernew>jm_: thanks bye
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07:21<jm_>no problem
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07:23<[Z8Z]>i installed this, https://github.com/BurntSushi/openbox-multihead as /usr/bin/openbox-session. then later rm'd it and reinstalled openbox, however no openbox desont seem to know which workspace a window is on
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07:24<jm_>maybe it has incompatible config files
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07:29<[Z8Z]>there was some extra stuff for the config. but i changed it back
07:29<[Z8Z]>also reinstalled about half of X11
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07:30<jm_>next time use something like /usr/local/openbox - who knows that else it has overwritten
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07:43<Cullz>hmm, shockwave flash keeps crashing in chromium
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07:44<Cullz>chromium is blocking plugins from running, even though I've set it to allow
07:44<Cullz>recently upgraded to jessie, recently moved to cinnamon desktop
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07:48<jm_>have you tried running /usr/sbin/update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree?
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07:49<[Z8Z]>i compiled elsewhere, and just dropped the binary in /usr/bin. im thinking you're right though. one of those lib.so fuckers
07:49<jm_>maybe try comparing to debian md5sum files
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07:50<Cullz>i tried executing /usr/sbin/update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree and nothing seems to happen
07:50<[Z8Z]>Cullz: firefox has been complaing to me about outdated flash nonsense, if that helps. also jessie is still pretty buggy for me
07:51<jm_>use /usr/sbin/update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install
07:51<jm_>or --status
07:52<Cullz>thanks
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07:57<Cullz>that fixed it. (it needed to be run as root)
07:57<Cullz>i noticed the /sbin directory also contains update-flashplugin-nonfree
07:57<jm_>indeed it does if one installs that package
07:57<Cullz>so I must have both...
07:58<jm_>that's for the NPAPI flash (for iceweasel)
07:58<Cullz>ah, ok
07:58<Cullz>why do they need to be updated manually / why don't they update with apt-get?
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08:00<jm_>for pepper one it comes from google's chrome package (that one is downloaded and flash plugin extracted from it), for the other one someone puts updates on people.debian.org IIRC
08:01<Cullz>i see - it's basically because there isn't a third party repo for it...?
08:01<jm_>yes and possibly licensing reasons but no idea on that (they're both scripts so you can easily verify what they do)
08:02<Thorgrin>hello, guys. I cannot write to /etc/exports for some reason. file is rw for root, I'm root, no selinux and no acl. any ideas?
08:02<Cullz>what happens?
08:03<aef>what IRC channel would be best to ask questions about the ca-certificates package?
08:03<[Z8Z]>bah. md5's are the same. im about to just redo /
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08:04<jm_>aef: you can always ask here and see if someone responds
08:04<[Z8Z]>Thorgrin: copy n paste the error into chat. words can be picky
08:05<aef>I'm trying to figure out what would be the best way to add a custom CA to be trusted. When putting it in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/SOMESUBFOLDER/ca.pem it doesn't show up when using dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates.
08:05<[Z8Z]>also i dont appear to have that folder, whats in it/it for
08:06<jm_>/etc/exports is a file where NFS exports are kept
08:06<[Z8Z]>ah
08:06<Thorgrin>exactly. and for some reason, I cannot edit it
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08:07<jm_>is it a symlink to somewhere else perhaps?
08:08-!-mode/#debian [+l 730] by debhelper
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08:08<Thorgrin>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 485 Apr 1 17:02 /etc/exports
08:08<jm_>and what error do you get? does kernel report anything when that happens?
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08:09<Thorgrin>rm -rf /etc/exports
08:09<Thorgrin>rm: cannot remove `/etc/exports': Operation not permitted
08:09<Thorgrin>nothing in dmesg or messages
08:09<abrotman>Thorgrin: is the filesystem read-only?
08:09<zhews>ola
08:09<abrotman>Thorgrin: lsattr /etc/exports
08:09<Thorgrin>nope, I can write everywhere in /etc
08:09<zhews>hi all
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08:10<Thorgrin>----i--------e-- /etc/exports
08:10<jm_>immutable?
08:10<abrotman>it's immutable
08:10<abrotman>no changes can be made
08:10<jm_>"but i didn't do that"
08:10<abrotman>I did!
08:10<Thorgrin>thanks a lot!
08:11<zhews>i am from brazil
08:11<abrotman>!br
08:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:11<zhews>yes
08:12<Cullz>hi zhews
08:13<zhews>hi cullz
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08:26<peter1138>Hmm, having a problem with mono in wheezy, unsupported hash algorithm 1.2.840.113549.1.1.11
08:26<peter1138>:S
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08:46<peter1138>Urgh, seems there's a simple fix but I have to build mono from source :(
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08:52<peter1138>Hmm, should be applied anyway. Odd.
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09:33<swizgard>hi. i get a lot of hash-sum mismatches when using apt-cacher-ng on debian wheezy. the clients are ubuntu
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09:56<nand>hey guys, how can I clear/reset the changelog of package? I'm trying to rebuild a package from scratch, but it keeps on referencing elder ones. :(
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09:59<nand>meep.
10:00<themill>"referencing"?
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10:01<nand>v1.0.0 vs v1.0.4
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10:02<themill>I still don't know what you mean
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10:04<nand>I want to make it appear as if there has never been any changes to the package. like new. as if I just created a new package with dh_make.
10:04<themill>delete the changelog and then create it
10:05<nand>will try that
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10:24<nand>hrmm... I cleared the changelog. I also id a ack for the version number in the debian, directory, and removed a debian/files.
10:24<nand>won't build now.
10:25<nand>"cannot read files list file"
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11:41<aef>is there any way to keep "non-free" in the sources but issue a warning whenever someone tries to install a package from it?
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11:42<aef>I'd like to discourage people from installing non-free but at the same time allowing to use those package and keep them up-to-date
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12:09<Maulkin>aef: Not really I think. There's vrms, but that's post install
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12:44<gonzalo_>sup
12:44<gonzalo_>bitches
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12:52<dewp>hey guys. maybe somebody alive who managed to get hardware acceleration running with recent mesa drivers on ibook g4? (nobody awake in #debian-ppc so i'm trying here :)
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13:04<roberth1990>dewp: what graphics card does it use?
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13:04<dewp>r300 (radeon 9200 mobility)
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13:04<dewp>i tried the linux-firmware-nonfree package
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13:05<roberth1990>have you installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon?
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13:07<dewp>yes but no. not right now but i tried it with them - later i uninstalled due to my guess that they are interfering each other
13:08<dewp>double-checking right now and hoping...
13:08<roberth1990>dewp: what were interfering with what?
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13:09<awar>sera a tutti!!!!
13:09<dewp>roberth1990, that was just my guess because of the not working hardware accelleration. i was trying different things and removing one driver and keep the other was one of my "possibilities"
13:10<dewp>i reverted all other changes but not this
13:10<roberth1990>dewp: have you installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon?
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13:11<roberth1990>dewp: actually remove it
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13:12<roberth1990>dewp: I think the right driver is xserver-xorg-video-r128
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13:16<towo`>roberth1990, no., its xserver-xorg-video-radeon
13:16<towo`>and with xserver-xorg-video-ati installed, it would not be a question, since xserver would load the right driver automagic
13:17<dewp>so they are not interfering? :-) should i install ...-radeon ..-ati and ..-r128 just for trying?
13:18<dewp>and not using the linux-firmware (non-free)`
13:18<dewp>?
13:18<roberth1990>towo`: oh yeah, I read it some place but now when I look again it was about a powerbook on a topic about ibook g4
13:18<towo`>dewp, you nedd firmware-linux-nonfree
13:18<dewp>ok. at least one thing i got right
13:18<towo`>dewp, and xserver-xorg-video-ati is a metapackage, which installs all ati-drivers
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13:22<dewp>and in jessi is kms already activated by default. should i deactivate it in yaboot.conf? in some threads i read that kms is necessary for hardware acceleration in other i read that they achieved it only with modeset=0
13:22<towo`>radeon needs kms
13:22<dewp>(i already tried both but without success - just asking to be sure)
13:22<dewp>okay
13:22<towo`>so deactivating kms would be a bad idea
13:23<dewp>well it does not change anything (maybe kms is not activated? have to check that...)
13:23<towo`>without any relevant logfile, no one can help you
13:23<roberth1990>I guess the version in wheezy uses exa by default?
13:24<towo`>exa is only 2d
13:24<roberth1990>where does he mention if its 3D only?
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13:25<towo`>hardware acceleration would i understand as 3d, but maybe i'm wrong
13:26<roberth1990>afaik 2d accelerations is also hardware based
13:26<blast007>there are lots of forms of hardware acceleration
13:26<towo`>sure
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13:27<roberth1990>exa provides hardware accelerated 2D if wikipedia is right
13:28<roberth1990>dewp: what does you x.org log say?
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13:48<freddaa>hello everyone. i updated my debian wheezy and no i get a black screen after booting. i still have a cursor ...
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13:49<freddaa>is there anyone who could possibly help?
13:49<ixi>!ask
13:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:49<mtn>freddaa: which video driver do you use? does it need to be reinstalled?
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13:59<freddaa>its an ATI Radeon card. I do not think it's a problem of the video card driver, since the cursor is still working!?
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14:01<mtn>freddaa: that is a sign of video driver not working correctly.
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14:02<freddaa>okay. so what would you recommend to do?
14:02<mtn>freddaa: which driver are you using? the free one or fglrx?
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14:05<freddaa>it says: lspci -nn | grep VGA VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device [1002:9834]
14:06<mtn>freddaa: ok, which driver? did you install fglrx? and what kind of update did you do to wheezy?
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14:09<freddaa>i do not know which driver I use. the update I did was just the regular updates suggested by debian
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14:10<mtn>freddaa: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
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14:10<freddaa>no
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14:12<mtn>freddaa: ctrl+alt+f2, login as root. do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. reboot and see if any better.
14:13<ovan>freddaa: would you pastebin http://pastebin.debian.net the output of the /etc/apt/source.list file as well?
14:14<ovan>freddaa: correction /etc/apt/sources.list
14:14<ovan>mtn: hi
14:14<freddaa>i am afraid i can not past it online, since i can not display the browser...
14:15<pangolinrollin>^^ if your outta browser use lynx term browser :P
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14:20<freddaa>looks like i can not access the internet!
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14:20<mtn>freddaa: what does this say in a terminal?: lsb_release -a
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14:23<freddaa>its wheezy 7.,7
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14:24<mtn>freddaa: so you did not update properly. something went badly wrong
14:24<mtn>freddaa: I suspect something went wrong before you tried to update and that caused all your problems
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14:25<awal>Debian veteran users (newbies excluded :D): by your experience over the years, which debian branch is more suitable for home daily use (listen to music, browse the web...) ? stable, testing, unstable?
14:25<mtn>awal: stable, of course
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14:25<mtn>freddaa: try rebooting and update/upgrade again, like I suggested
14:26<freddaa>mtn: okay, thanks. i think i will just make a full re-installation of the full system
14:26<mtn>freddaa: might be easiest
14:26<freddaa>as i can not access the internet for whatever reason, i can not simply use apt
14:26<mtn>freddaa: but if you do the same things again, it will break again ;)
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14:27<roberth1990>use the jessie installation iso
14:27<mtn>freddaa: do you still have the debian installer or can make one? you can try to use the rescue function to fix things.
14:27<roberth1990>freddaa:
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14:28<freddaa>what is the "rescue function"?
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14:29<mtn>freddaa: boot it and you will find it. it lets you use the net connection from the install disk and then use it to try to fix your installed debian
14:30<mtn>freddaa: of course, reinstalling might be easier for you. your choice
14:32<freddaa>mtn: ok, thanks, i might use it.
14:33<freddaa>but usually i tend to remove and reinstall everything
14:35<awal>Does Jessie installer i386 supports uefi well yet as amd64?
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14:39<roberth1990>awal: only on an unofficial image
14:39<roberth1990>awal: so no
14:39<awal>roberth1990: ok
14:40<awal>maybe it will be for next release
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16:20<dewp>there's a tool to paste the xorg.0.log to pastebin from terminal. which one is it? i'm too stupid to find it with googlE :)
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16:21<devil>dewp: there is pastebinit, but that is not specificaly for xorg.0.log
16:22<dewp>ah... that might be my mistake. thanks
16:22<towo`>and itÄ's Xorg.0.log
16:24<dewp>:)
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16:29<dewp>okay. so: my goal is to get hardware accelleration with my ibook g4 (r300). what i got is a frozen SLiM or LightDM immediately after startup (no chance to log in or change to terminal) that's my Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/166809
16:29<dewp>what do you wizards see in it?
16:31<dewp>i installed jessie and Sid mesa driver :)
16:31<dewp>(with testing mesa it did not work so i "updated" them)
16:32<towo`>1st, radeon.modeset=1 this will never work
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16:33<dewp>I set it to -1 in yaboot.conf. should be the automatic setting
16:33<dewp>okay! setting to 0
16:33<towo`>remove the whole line
16:33<towo`>it's useless
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16:34<dewp>ok - so dont even call the agpmode?
16:34<dewp>i'm commenting out all of the append line
16:34<towo`>i don't know this parameter
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16:35<towo`>btw, i have missread it. the modeset is right, it's set to enable
16:35<towo`>the rest of your log shows zero problem
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16:36<dewp>damn. that's also how me as a newbie reads it.
16:36<dewp>so annoying
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16:36<towo`>your log sayes, all ok
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16:41<dewp>screen says:frozen :-)
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16:43<dewp>hm. last boot i got some more errror regarding radeon:
16:43<dewp>http://paste.debian.net/166811
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16:45<towo`>dewp, where you see a error regarding radeon there?
16:46<dewp>Modeline "1024x768"x0.0
16:46<dewp>shouldnt it be like x60 or so?
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16:46<dewp>the last numbers are the refreshing rate?
16:46<dewp>or bit depth
16:47<towo`>[ 28.742] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz eP)
16:47<towo`>x60.0 where you see x0.0?
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16:47<towo`>ah i see, at the end
16:48<towo`>but this is not an error
16:48<towo`>it would be, if there is (EE) in front
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16:49<towo`>this is a notebook or?
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16:51<towo`>it seems your xserver switches to another output
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16:52<dewp>yes its a 2005 ibook
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16:52<dewp>can i strip the "verbosity" to ee in this log?
16:52<dewp>or is it alway II an **
16:52<dewp>and --
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16:53<dewp>hmm. my keyboard seems to get old in the last weeks :-)
16:54<dewp>it's not me who forgets to type letters
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16:58<musca>dewp: well, switching to another output ... is an external monitor connected?
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16:58<towo`>it seems the problem is known, but there is no solution
16:59<dewp>musca, hello :) thanks for your input. no, not possible due to the missing adapter (ibook has just mini-vga)
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16:59<dewp>towo`, thats the bottom line of ... the universe, the life and all the rest :)
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17:00<dewp>so do i really have to go back to lenny for this ibook?
17:01<dewp>(not sure if its working there but some old tales in the interweb are telliing legends about it)
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17:03<xavier>hi. any mucous users ? just installed it and get some "connection refused" (i was connected a few hours ago with nicotine)
17:03<dewp>i could also go for osx 10.4 ... but.. noooo.... osx for ibook is the worst idea ever. it's like having windows on a pc
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17:10<dewp>coming back tomorrow - need to sleep now. towo` thanks for looking at it
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17:30<Raku>Nevermind, i figured it out, modprobe -r
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19:00<allen>I have a beginner Python book that tells me to use version 3.4 . Right now I have 2.7 installed . Do people usually uninstall the older version and install the newer, or run both side by side?
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19:06<centrx>allen, You can install both side by side with the python3 package
19:07<centrx>allen, When you're learning, just stick to one version
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19:07<centrx>but they can both be installed
19:07<allen>Thanks. So installing v3 it won't alter v2 or however Debian relies on Python 2?
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19:07<allen>I plan to just learn version3 but didn't want to mess up however my system relies on version 2
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19:09<centrx>nope it's fine, the Debian package manager takes care of it
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19:09<centrx>They are installed to different locations on disk
19:09<centrx>with different names
19:09<h31_>Hello. I have a package (not mine) which is a pretty old copy of a git repo. This package contains Vcs-Git property in the control file, which points to a repo address. How can I build a package with a newer sources?
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19:10<centrx>h31_, Try #debian-mentors
19:10<h31_>centrx: ok, thanks!
19:12<allen>Thanks. One last thing, how do you run a script specifically using 3.4 in the command line? "python [script name]" would still start version 2 right?
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19:15<Gabriel_7>alen: python3 script-name
19:15<allen>oh ok, that's easy. Thanks everyone!
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19:46<converge>is there some software to write my sources.list ?
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21:23<galvao>Hi everyone. I'm having the following error while trying to update my Wheezy: trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libxrender1/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of package libxrender1. Can anyone adivse?
21:25<galvao>Please note that this is a simple update, not a dist-upgrade
21:26<centrx>galvao, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782505
21:26<centrx>the bug seems like it would apply to upgrade too even though the bug title says dist-upgrade
21:27<centrx>Looks like a fair solution is to use --force-overwrite
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21:28<galvao>So I should run apt-get upgrade --force-overwrite ?
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21:29<galvao>or apt-get -f install ?
21:29<centrx>use the specific package name libxrender1
21:29<galvao>So I should run apt-get upgrade --force-overwrite libxrender1 ?
21:29<converge>Im trying to create this package, but Im getting this error when using debuild https://gist.github.com/anonymous/43f3f966d4f4bba89391
21:29<centrx>galvao, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=22;bug=782505
21:29<converge>can anyone help me ?
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21:31<centrx>converge, maybe it's in the wrong directory? it's using the right filename, but using ../
21:31<galvao>so dpkg then
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21:31<centrx>converge, Also #debian-mentors would know better about this
21:31<centrx>galvao, I think it should work with apt-get, but using dpkg with the file directly is probably the safest
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21:34<converge>centrx: thanks
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21:35<galvao>centrx: Seems to have solved the issue. Thanks for the advice
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21:36<galvao>signing off
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21:36<centrx>cheers
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23:33<leftist>hi all. quiick question. i'm from old school where we never had directories like <Directory Name\> but always had contiguous labels like directory_name, etc,,how do i access a directory that has a lable like Directory Name with the space?
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