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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-04-16

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01:12<genelyk>Hi
01:12<genelyk>one question
01:12<genelyk>you can record a file on 2 burners simultaneously?
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01:14<jm_>should be no problem
01:14<jm_>just make sure you won't get underruns
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01:16<genelyk>commands?
01:16<genelyk>beacuse brasero and k3b not avaliable
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01:17<jm_>if you are asking about CLI tools for burning, there are several - wodim, growisofs etc.
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01:22<genelyk>yes, but one file at 2 burners
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04:54<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
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04:56<cousin_luigi>Are source tarballs usually kept untouched? I'm having trouble reconciliating the upstream one with the debian one.
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05:05<avalenn>cousin_luigi: generally yes but not always
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05:07<themill>cousin_luigi: which package are you looking at?
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05:17<cousin_luigi>themill: avifile
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05:17<cousin_luigi>themill: it differs from both the 0_48 tag and head on sourceforge cvs
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05:19<avalenn>cousin_luigi:
05:19<avalenn> * Repackage the upstream tarball, removing the embedded copy of LAME
05:19<avalenn> (Closes: #538753). While here, kill also the bundled ffmpeg copy
05:19<avalenn> and /debian.
05:19<cousin_luigi>avalenn: aha
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05:20<avalenn>from http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/a/avifile/avifile_0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2_changelog
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05:23<cousin_luigi>avalenn: thanks, very instructive
05:23<cousin_luigi>avalenn: is there a way to see a diff history?
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05:31<avalenn>cousin_luigi: I would say "Patch Tracker" link from https://packages.debian.org/sid/libavifile-0.7c2 but it patch-tracker seems down
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05:38<knugen>Having some issue with my /etc/rc.local. I have several lines with similar typos like: mount --bind /media/foo /mnt/bar, and everything except for one line works great. One of the mounts does not work during reboot, but if i manually do mount --bind afterwards, it works. Not a typo eighter, i can even copy the line from rc.local and paste in terminal later - it works
05:40<cousin_luigi>avalenn: nevermind, I think I've got the hang of it.
05:40<cousin_luigi>Thanks.
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05:50<jm_>knugen: start by finding out which error it reports
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05:57<bdog7>.np
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06:03<knugen>jm_ it does not reports any errors what i can see, just that the directory that i'll try to mount to is empty
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06:06<jm_>knugen: how did you check that no errors are reported?
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06:06<knugen>jm i don't see any errors reported at boot, haven't done anything else to check
06:08<jm_>knugen: then try adding more commands to rc.local to figure it out, i.e. mount, ls etc. before and after you mount it
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06:13<knugen>jm_ still not get it. It
06:14<knugen>It's really weird that it does not work. Here have a look at my rc.local, number 5 is the one not working https://paste.debian.net/167060/
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06:15<jm_>and what are these?
06:15<knugen>as i said, if i manually do the command after boot, it works perfect. just that number 5 is not mounted properly at boot, every other does
06:16<bdog7>.np
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06:16<jm_>what are /media/sf_Windows_Share_xx
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06:16<knugen>content on my windows machine (host) that i want to share with my debian vm, why=
06:17<jm_>is it a local fs?
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06:18<knugen>yes but i use vbox tools to share files, so everything is in /media/sf_*
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06:32<cicada>I feel like an idiot for not having moved to debian years ago. It's amazing
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06:38<inkbottle>Hi, I'm looking for a mail client to access Gmail; however Gmail ask the client to use Oauth2... So one cannot use Mutt without lowering security in Gmail settings
06:38<inkbottle>So my question is what would you suggest?
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06:42<petn-randall>inkbottle: You can't simply use IMAP with user/pass anymore in gmail?
06:42<jm_>i use that with fetchmail so it must work
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06:47<inkbottle>petn-randall: jm_: just to give an example, there: http://xmodulo.com/gmail-command-line-linux-alpine.html, they say: tick IMAP, (ok), then "You also need to enable access for less secure apps in your Google account settings."
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06:48<inkbottle>when I accessed gmail yesterday with mutt, it said "login failed"; and when I went to my gmail account it said: someone tryed to access your account with insecued client...
06:48<inkbottle>tried*
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06:49<inkbottle>even thunderbird is not recommanded by gmail
06:49<inkbottle>so you'll probably have to lower the security in the settings
06:49<valdyn>inkbottle: you need to be using tls
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06:49<valdyn>inkbottle: (or lower the security setting)
06:50<inkbottle>valdyn: I do think I already was using tls; but they ask for Oauth2, and this seems very complicated; you have to ask for a "token", etc
06:50<inkbottle>and I don't want to lower the security
06:51<valdyn>inkbottle: your problem
06:51<inkbottle>I searched for Oauth in repos, and I only found one python lib, which is using it
06:51<inkbottle>?
06:51<valdyn>inkbottle: oauth is not more secure
06:52<inkbottle>is it?
06:52<valdyn>inkbottle: google tries to protect people against chosing weak passwords
06:52<valdyn>inkbottle: but you are free to chose a secure password
06:52<valdyn>inkbottle: thats what that oauth thing does I think
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06:53<inkbottle>valdyn: with "tls" password is send on a secure channel?
06:53<valdyn>inkbottle: yes
06:53<inkbottle>ok
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06:55<valdyn>inkbottle: now, the "insecure" channel is still the web login
06:55<valdyn>inkbottle: (even with oauth of course)
06:55<inkbottle>valdyn: how can I make sure, mutt is actually using tls, and the channel is secure? I mean some sort of verification, all is working according to plan.
06:55<valdyn>inkbottle: but google will just lock you out, give you a captcha, send you an sms etc
06:56<valdyn>inkbottle: google may not even let you in without tls
06:56<petn-randall>inkbottle: First of all, you will configure it to enforce TLS. In the second step you can verify that with wireshark if you want.
06:56<inkbottle>valdyn: the web login is through https...
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06:56<valdyn>inkbottle: yea, but you can pick a weak password, because web is not oauth
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06:57<inkbottle>valdyn: i see your point
06:57<cousin_luigi>bbl
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06:57<valdyn>inkbottle: but the web channel is protected by some heuristics, like if you log in from 2 different cities at a time
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07:01<inkbottle>valdyn: could you tell me what you think of this muttrc: http://paste.debian.net/167068/, about security/tls settings?
07:02<valdyn>inkbottle: i have no idea
07:02<valdyn>inkbottle: just run mutt, it will tell you about tls
07:02<inkbottle>ok
07:02<inkbottle>ok
07:03<valdyn>(unless your system is to fast, then it will disappear to quick)
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07:03<inkbottle>valdyn: that's true, I can't see a thing
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07:08<inkbottle>valdyn: but thanks, you put me on the track... I'll google mutt tls...
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10:12<stmaher>Hi everyone.. Im looking for the name of an old firewall tool thats a php application that sat on or near a firewall that monitored all activity and reported it into a php gui.. NTOP sounds familiar
10:12<stmaher>Anyone know the name of it?
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11:50<OldOneEye>hi
11:50<OldOneEye>anyone able to help me?
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11:51<somiaj>!ask
11:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:52<OldOneEye>well
11:52<OldOneEye>i got an old netinstall of debian
11:52<OldOneEye>7.1.0
11:52<centrx>not that old
11:52<OldOneEye>if i install it on my external usb hdd will it update to current?
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11:52<centrx>yes
11:53<OldOneEye>ok
11:53<centrx>7.x is the current stable release
11:53<centrx>it can get all the updates without problem
11:53<OldOneEye>ok sweet
11:53<OldOneEye>how i go about installing on usb
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11:55<centrx>you have a CD or something?
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11:55<OldOneEye>yes
11:55<centrx>What's the install medium?
11:55<centrx>ok yeah just boot off that
11:55<OldOneEye>usb external hdd 3tb
11:55<centrx>and hopefully it will detect the USB and the hard drive and be all set
11:55<OldOneEye>ok
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13:49<dewp>hello! trying to get 3d accelleration activated on my ibook g4 (R360) - it's said there should be DefaultDepth in xorg.conf changed to 16. but as there is no xorg.conf in jessie - what should I do?
13:50<dewp>can I create one by Xorg --configure ? how does X know it should use one?
13:51<centrx>I think you can create one and specify only the options you wish to change
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13:52<dewp>cool!
13:53<dewp>so, just put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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13:53<centrx>right
13:53<centrx>find out what sections that option needs to be in
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13:57<ryouma>do extrenal drives just work? for booting? seems not really needed to have an extra spinning rust internal drive, then
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13:58<centrx>that guy never game back, so it must have worked
13:58<centrx>*came back
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14:13<ryouma>or he decided we couldn't answer his question, or he had to go to dinner
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14:13<ryouma>my question was a general question though :)
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14:29<drybjed>what's the official way to reconfigure network interfaces in Debian Jessie? in Wheezy, when I do ifdown br0 ; ifup br0, the IP address on eth0 is switched to br0 correctly, but on Jessie it stays with eth0 and gets added to br0 which breaks networking. how to reconfigure interfaces in Jessie?
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14:30<dewp>cool centrx that's it. thanks :9
14:31<dewp>now i see that openbve is not yet in jessie repos
14:31<dewp>its a game so no system stuff
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14:32<dewp>can i force-get (like a jedi) it from a wheezy repo?
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14:35<informatica6>hola
14:35<informatica6>hpña
14:35<informatica6>jola
14:35<informatica6>hola
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14:50<xubuntu>hello
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14:51<jmlongo>xubuntu: weird nick for a Debian room ;)
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15:00<ryouma>not mutually exclusive, i suppose
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15:04<jul2000>hi
15:04<jul2000>I have a config problem on kali linux
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15:05<jul2000>which is debian based
15:05<ixi>!kali
15:05<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
15:05<jul2000>I can't figure a way to remove the tooltips
15:05<ixi>read please ^
15:05<jul2000>yeah but it's config related
15:05<jul2000>the UI
15:05<ixi>read please ^
15:05<jul2000>...
15:05<towo`>and?
15:05<jul2000>not security related
15:05<towo`>don't use kali, if you can't handle it
15:05<ixi>read what bot said please ^
15:06<towo`>and here is #debian, not #kali
15:06<jul2000>-_-
15:06<jul2000>http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/04/06/how-to-turn-off-tooltips-in-gn/
15:06<jul2000>the fucking tooltip you moron
15:06<ixi>!ops
15:06<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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15:06<jul2000>fucking hopeless
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15:08<carlos>perhaps we should be more helpful
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15:09<jmlongo>yeah ... maybe
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15:09<blast007>carlos: where to find appropriate help was given to them
15:10<jmlongo>but there is more help where he was pointed at ..
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15:10<jmlongo>as blast007 just said :P
15:10<carlos>yeah i know, but do we need tobe jobsworths?
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15:11<carlos>you know, we're "supposed" to be chummy and helpful. bah! humbug
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15:12<ixi>you know the response time was under 20 seconds :)
15:12<carlos>haha! we met our SLA
15:12<blast007>perhaps being nicer about it, sure - but not necessarily more helpful
15:12<ixi>$100k/year support contract *might* buy you that knd of support
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15:12<ixi>but most probably will not
15:12<ixi>:)
15:13<carlos>if i knew anything about linux, I'd help him if I wasnt busy. but i havent got a scooby
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15:14<blast007>carlos: but not in this channel since it would be off topic - via the appropriate channel or in PM, sure
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15:16<carlos>ok fair enuff
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15:21<awal_>Cmus won't work when I execute it. I get this message "getnodeadd: Can not open /etc/decnet.conf". How to solve my issue?
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15:23<awal_>I'm running debian jessie/sid (using only WM's: fluxbox, openbox & i3). In my other jessie/sid with xfce (task-desktop-xfce) and fluxbox cmus works just fine
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15:24<awal_>Found this old/new bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmus/+bug/923027
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15:25<awal_>http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=104068
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15:26<awal_>Moc, vlc, radiotray, audacious... works just fine
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15:37<awal_>I looked to my machine where cmus woks fine and I have no file named decnet.conf in /etc
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18:19<pied5>Any advice on how to get Debian 7 installed on the new HP Proliant G9's that use the Smart Array P440ar controller? I just started using G9s from the G8s and I can't seem to get the installer to recognize the drive arrays
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20:06<bix_nood>hey
20:06<bix_nood>hey
20:06<xiv>yeah
20:06<bix_nood>you
20:06<bix_nood>with the thinkpad
20:06<xiv>not me
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20:06<bix_nood>k
20:06<xiv>I'm waiting for him
20:06<bix_nood>lmao
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20:15<xiv>hey thinkpad guy, you here yet?
20:17<bix_nood>yeee i think im going to sleep
20:17<bix_nood>have fun with him
20:17<bix_nood>bb
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20:19<xiv>hey kreigpad I was waiting for you
20:19<kreigpad>sup mang
20:19<xiv>one sec let me grab my netbook
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20:20<kreigpad>sure
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20:24<jae__>so kreigpad
20:24<kreigpad>aye ?
20:24<jae__>did you update after adding nonfree?
20:25<xiv>back, I also had to piss
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20:26<kreigpad>about the adding non free...not sure i even accomplished that, as it stands i closed al terminals and am now just staring at
20:27<kreigpad>kreigpad@Kreigpad:~$ on its lonesome
20:27<jae__>well if oyu rerun the nano command again, you'll see if you saved it
20:28<jae__>if you didn't you can re add and hit ctrl o to save
20:28<kreigpad>there is nothing in nano so i guess i didnt, ill go back and do it again
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20:30<xiv>dude you need to do nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:32<xiv>https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Component
20:32<xiv>> If you also want the contrib and non-free components, add contrib non-free after main.
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20:32<xiv>also for some reason I am running wheezy on my netbook
20:32<kreigpad>#
20:32<kreigpad># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.8.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 2$
20:32<kreigpad>#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.8.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20$
20:32<kreigpad>deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main nonfree
20:32-!-kreigpad was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
20:33<xiv>fuck
20:33<xiv>I had been hoping that he had read the thing about not flooding
20:33<jae__>lol
20:33<converge>someone at google looking for 'how to rejoin after kick irc'
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20:34<kreigpad>got kicked for pasting
20:34<jae__>there we go
20:34<xiv>yup
20:34<xiv>next time post it on paste.debian.net
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20:34<kreigpad>okay so it didnt let me save it one i put nonfree next to everything
20:35<xiv>were you doing this as root?
20:35<jae__>as in after su
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20:35<kreigpad>dont think so, doing it as just kreigpad
20:35<xiv>okay you need to set up your sudoers file
20:35<themill>it's non-free not nonfree
20:36<jae__>shows what you get when non debian users try to help
20:36<xiv>I use Debian
20:36<jae__>i don't
20:37<xiv>What do you use?
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20:37<kreigpad>right so lets set up sodoers then
20:37<xiv>sudoers
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20:37<jae__>arch, ofc
20:37<xiv>thats what I was going to guess
20:37<jae__>came from the g thread
20:37<xiv>I could tell
20:38<xiv>how many terminals do you have open?
20:38<xiv>err terminal emulators
20:38<xiv>or are you not using the gui
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20:38<kreigpad>just the one
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20:38<xiv>wait nvm, you were able to copy and paste so I doubt you're in cli only
20:38<xiv>okay
20:39<xiv>wait, is it the one where you are running irssi?
20:39<kreigpad>no idea what irssi is dude
20:39<jae__>how are you in here?
20:39<xiv>goddammit
20:39<kreigpad>im using xchat for this
20:39<xiv>okay
20:39<xiv>thats fine I guess
20:39<jae__>so yeah, sun su, then visudo
20:39<jae__>run*
20:40<themill>!sudo group
20:40<dpkg>From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
20:40<xiv>ah, I forgot about that
20:40<jae__>well i'll stick to distro nonspecific stuff then
20:40<xiv>doing it manually is distro non specific
20:41<xiv>I'm pretty sure that I've never done it that way
20:41<kreigpad>hold up so im root now yeah ? after i type sudo .. or should i do what dpkg said
20:41<xiv>well that depends, do you want to do it the easy way or the way that will help you learn GNU/Linux better
20:41<jae__>the specific way is easier though, and it'd probably be better.
20:41<jae__>yeah
20:42<kreigpad>I want to learn linux better
20:42<kreigpad>for sure
20:42<xiv>okay
20:42<xiv>first do EDITOR=nano visudo
20:42<xiv>since if you don't then visudo will open up using vim
20:42<themill>I don't think futzing with sudoers is really the best way to be learning linux...
20:42<xiv>well it is the best way to learn how to manually edit the sudoers file
20:43<jae__>visudo is idiot proff by design, at least
20:43<xiv>it won't save it you do it wrong
20:43<kreigpad>right im in visudo
20:43<themill>valid syntax ≠ correct config
20:43<xiv>thats what I meant
20:44<themill>also, you're better off editing a file in /etc/sudoers.d/
20:44<kreigpad>if i can get the wireless working ill be happy for now
20:45<themill>let's be clear that setting up sudo is not a prerequisite for that.
20:45<kreigpad>top lel
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20:45<jae__>yeah. we're taking the scenic route with this howto
20:46<kreigpad>okay dokes
20:46<kreigpad>so im in visudo as far as i know
20:46<jae__>cool, now find the line that says wheel
20:46<xiv>okay this is really funny, visudo is not working on my netbook
20:46<jae__>and get rid of the pound sign
20:47<themill>wtf?
20:47<xiv>oh are you doing it via group wheel
20:47<themill>!wheel
20:47<dpkg>hmm... wheel is the traditional name of security group 0 in BSD (from slang for "big wheel" as a powerful person). This group is irrelevant in the default Debian configs but you can use the "sudo" group to give users the ability to run commands as root through sudo; ask me about <sudoers>. Alternatively, look at the pam_wheel module for <PAM> which will only allow su to root from members of the wheel group.
20:47<xiv>and then add user to group wheel
20:47<themill>so you're going to replace a solution that works with one that does not... please stop
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20:48<kreigpad>ctrf wheel
20:48<kreigpad>nothing
20:48<jae__>soooooory
20:48<xiv>when I do a sudoers I input the username and have it be USER_NAME ALL=(ALL) ALL
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20:48<xiv>I don't think ctrlf does find in nano
20:48<themill>if that's the config you want, why not just add yourself to the sudo group?
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20:48<xiv>just scroll down
20:49<xiv>I'm not going to say that I never got that to work, but in my experience doing it manually has been much less frustrating
20:49<kreigpad>right so im still in nano on the front page, cant find wheel
20:49<themill>kreigpad: that's because jae__ is talking bullshit again.
20:49<xiv>is there any text at all?
20:50<kreigpad>#
20:50<kreigpad># This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
20:50<kreigpad>#
20:50<kreigpad># Please consider adding local content in /etc/sudoers.d/ instead of
20:50-!-kreigpad was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
20:50<xiv>lol
20:50<xiv>anyways I know what to tell him now
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20:50<xiv>okay
20:50<dvs>tell'em!
20:50<kreigpad>yeah ill pasta it two secs
20:51<xiv>no dont
20:51<xiv>dont paste it
20:51<xiv>I know what it says
20:51<xiv>anyways
20:51<xiv>scroll down to where it says #User privilege specification
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20:51<kreigpad>right
20:52<kreigpad>got all=all(all etc
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20:52<jae__>with your username at the start of the line?
20:53<xiv>below where it says root ALL=(ALL) ALL
20:53<kreigpad>nope just says root
20:53<xiv>make a line that says "yourusername ALL=(ALL)ALL"
20:53<xiv>without the quotes
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20:54<jae__>of course, "yourusername" is presumably kreigpad
20:55<kreigpad>right did that just bellow the root line for all=(all
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20:55<jae__>now write out
20:55<kreigpad>ctrl o aye ?
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20:55<jae__>aye
20:55<jae__>and ctrl x
20:55<jae__>to exit
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20:56<jae__>since you're still in a root shell, type exit
20:56<jae__>now sudo should work
20:56<jae__>did i get it right this time?
20:57<kreigpad>okay yeah i think i got it right, took me a minute to figure that shit out, keyboard is in german
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20:58<kreigpad>so what next
20:58<xiv>you get my pm or no?
20:59<jae__>now you can sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
21:00<kreigpad>wooo... okay so whats that again
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21:00<jae__>a command to enter, starting with sudo
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21:01<kreigpad>wow sudo did something different this time, cool getting somehwere
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21:03<kreigpad>so after i type sudo ..
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21:04<jae__>when you type in your password, nothing will show. just hit enter
21:05<kreigpad>its not asking me for a pw login
21:06<jae__>paste it
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21:06<xiv>ah dont paste it on here
21:06<xiv>paste it on paste.debian.ney
21:06<xiv>*.net
21:07<kreigpad>okay dokes
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21:08<kreigpad>actually no wait im an idiot, i already put the password in
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21:08<xiv>okay then hit enter
21:08<kreigpad>done
21:08<jae__>does a file show up in nano?
21:09<kreigpad>well the word file is definately there
21:09<jae__>blank otherwise?
21:09<jae__>probably misspelled
21:09<kreigpad>[-u user name|#uid] file ...
21:09<kreigpad>so yeah i think so
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21:12<kreigpad>root@Kreigpad:/home/kreigpad#
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21:13<jae__>please paste to paste.debian.org this time
21:13<kreigpad>sure
21:13<xiv>its paste.debian.net
21:13<jae__>or .net
21:13<jae__>yeah...
21:14<kreigpad>http://paste.debian.net/167215/
21:14<jae__>sudo is run alongside another command
21:15<kreigpad>yeh?
21:15<jae__>literally, "Super User DO"
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21:15<kreigpad>ah right
21:15<jae__>so, sudo nano /etc...
21:16<kreigpad>right
21:16<kreigpad>so type sudo nano ?
21:16<xiv>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
21:16<xiv>all in one line
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21:18<kreigpad>right back to the non-free, so do that again yeah ?
21:18<xiv>yeah
21:18<jae__>yup
21:18<dvs>nah
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21:18<jae__>god, i've been at this for five hours
21:19<kreigpad>it actually saved this time
21:19<xiv>good
21:19<xiv>now do sudo apt-cache update
21:19<kreigpad>i swear dude, if you can get me through this ill mail you a can of irn bru
21:20<themill>s/apt-cache/apt-get/
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21:20<jae__>we're almost there
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21:22<kreigpad>its giving me invlid operation update
21:22<dvs>kreigpad: it's apt-get not apt-cache
21:23<xiv>whoops
21:23<xiv>yeah I do that one by mistake way to much
21:23<kreigpad>yeh there we go
21:23<xiv>*too much
21:23<kreigpad>its done
21:24<jae__>so now
21:24<somiaj>xiv: there is a new 'apt' command in the works, that combines apt-get, apt-cache, etc. But I'm unsure what its current state is, I'm to use to apt-foo commands.
21:24<kreigpad>now..
21:25<jae__>sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
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21:25<kreigpad>pray for deliverance
21:26<kreigpad>podracing mate, i think its actually working
21:26<kreigpad>its working
21:26<jae__>praise jesus
21:26<jae__>and the sun
21:27<jae__>akbar
21:27<kreigpad>I feel like, dantes inferno ain't shit when you have to move from windows to linux
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21:27<xiv>I assume you haven't actually read the Divine Comedy
21:27<jae__>there's a lot to learn, but at least now you're like halfway to a sysadmin by normie standards
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21:28<xiv>probably closer to .5*Log(sysadminlevel)
21:28<kreigpad>only a long time ago, I had the chapter of lust written on a light blue pair of jeans in latin as well... countrysides not got much going on
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21:28<xiv>ha
21:28<somiaj>kreigpad: It is worth learning how to manage/configure thigns from a shell (command line). And one way to get better is to be put in situations where that is what you have to do over some 'wizard' doing it for you.
21:28<kreigpad>well i defintely feel like ive learned a lot jae even if ive learned fuckall
21:29<xiv>I have a really nice illustrated edition
21:29<kreigpad>I stole a hundred quid edition from glasgow waterstones years ago and just gave it away to some chick, what a fucking waste
21:29<kreigpad>wizard ?
21:30<xiv>program that sets things up for you
21:30<xiv>people don't use that word as much as they used to
21:30<somiaj>kreigpad: a graphical program that you click an option/button and does it for you.
21:31<somiaj>yea, I just thought it was all over windows, they have install wizards, and many other products have setup wizards. But I culd just be old.
21:31<jae__>well now you can do this exact same stuff for the next distro you install
21:32<xiv>I remember using a lot of programs with wizard in the name back on Mac OS 8.6
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21:32<xiv>the next distro he installs is probably going to be Slackware
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21:34<kjs>Hi all, I am trying to install fuse on Jessie and running into trouble on the fust postinst script
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21:35<kjs>makedev is not allowed the create /dev/fuse because udevadm is running.
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21:36<kjs>/run/udev or .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation.
21:37<somiaj>kjs: care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy fuse'
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21:38<kjs>somiaj: in the channel or a pm to you?
21:38<somiaj>kjs: at paste.debian.net
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21:41<kjs>somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/167217/
21:43<kjs>somiaj: I should also note that I am running with 4.0.0 linux kernel
21:43<somiaj>kjs: it looks like it is installed? dpkg -l | grep fuse
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21:43<somiaj>well I don't see any bugreports, and many are upgrading systems with fuse. I wonder if it is somethign on your end, but if not it could be worth reporting a bug. I don't think the kernel would be an issue unless you have also messed with udev.
21:45<somiaj>I want to see the status of that package (naimly status codes). You should be able to get them from the dpkg -l command I gave, I really just want the two letters at the start of the line
21:46<kjs>somiaj: iF
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21:48<somiaj>kjs: how did you install the 4.0 kernel?
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21:50<somiaj>wonder if you are missing something needed by udev, and thus aren't loading the /dev/fuse device
21:50<somiaj>and the issue is with your kernel.
21:50<kjs>wget the tarball, verifiy the key, make oldconfig, make clean, make deb-pkg, dpkg -i image.deb
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21:51<somiaj>well udev should create the /dev/fuse device is the fuse module is laoded.
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21:51<somiaj>kjs: lsmod | grep fuse, and then 'modprobe fuse'
21:52<kjs>grep has nothing, and $ modprobe fuse returns: modprobe: FATAL: Module fuse not found.
21:53<kjs>somiaj: Is there a kernel config flag that needs to be set for fuse?
21:54<somiaj>kjs: sounds like you don't have the fuse module compiled for your kernel. You have to go make a kernel that is compadable with fuse.
21:54<somiaj>I havnen'
21:54<themill>,kconfig fuse --release sid
21:54<judd>Searching for 'fuse' in sid kernel config gives FUSE_FS=m.
21:54<somiaj>I haven't looked though the kernel since 3.0, got tired of keeping up with the changes.
21:54<somiaj>kjs: grep FUSE_FS /boot/config-<version>
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21:55<kjs># CONFIG_FUSE_FS is not set
21:56<somiaj>and that is why you don't have fuse and the scripts fails. It looks for the device, can't find it, and then tries to make one and udev gets mad.
21:56<somiaj>I'd still report a bug, I think the script errors out for the wrong reason, and maybe it should be fixed, but I'd call it minor.
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21:57<kjs>so do I need to rebuild the kernel with FUSE_FS=y|m?
21:57<somiaj>most would do it as a module, you also may need any dependencies
21:57<somiaj>but using y would work too
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22:01<kjs>somiaj: Great. thank you. I will give this a try.
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22:01<kjs>somiaj: I see this also adds a CONFIG_CUSE=y
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22:44<onions>Hello experts
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22:45<onions>i just installed wheezy on my laptop, and i am having an issue in which the backlight of the laptop does not seems to turn on
22:45<onions>i could not get any display until i plugged an external monitor
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22:46<onions>however, using a flash light i can see there are actual graphics on the screen but it looks very dimm
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22:47<onions>the video card is VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
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22:59<onions>anyone?
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23:02<Katy>what hi
23:02<Katy>onions no one
23:02<Katy>idk just wait
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23:58<Aidan_160>who can i pm with help getting this ts3 auto start script http://addons.teamspeak.com/directory/addon/miscellaneous-tools/TS3-server-init-d-startup-script.html
23:58<Aidan_160>working
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