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---Logopened Fri Apr 17 00:00:37 2015
00:03<Aidan_160>the svripy works but it wont automatically run on startr
00:04<Aidan_160>im running debian 7
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00:18<noob_rpi>Hi, I am trying to cross compile a kernel for raspberry pi 2. The deb-pkg build generates an armel.deb instead of armhf.deb. How do I generate the armhf deb?
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01:17<Aidan_160>anybody out there i cant ge a autorun script i have in my init.d folder to run at startup
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01:20<somiaj>Aidan_160: what is this script and where did you get it? Does it have LSB headers? are you using wheezy and sysvinit?
01:23<Aidan_160>i pm's you
01:23<Aidan_160>deb 7
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01:24<Aidan_160>cd /
01:25<Aidan_160>oops that was meant for putty lol
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01:26<somiaj>Aidan_160: please don't message me, keep your comments in the channel
01:27<Aidan_160>ok
01:27<somiaj>Aidan_160: okay, now that I know it is a valid LSB script run 'update-rc.d scriptname defaults' after you have coppied it to /etc/init.d
01:27<Aidan_160>so what does that do
01:28<somiaj>it uses the LSB headers to decide in what position to put it in the boot order.
01:28<somiaj>and then creates all the links so the script is run at startup.
01:28<Aidan_160>i get this
01:28<Aidan_160>insserv: script ts3server is not an executable regular file, skipped!
01:29<somiaj>i.e. /etc/init.d is only the place all the scripts are located. The are actually run from the run leves, 2 in your case, /etc/rc2.d/ -- that command manages those links for you, use it over manually making them.
01:29<somiaj>Aidan_160: chmod +x /etc/init.d/ts3server, then repeate
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01:30<Aidan_160>i get the same thing
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01:31<somiaj>Aidan_160: then you didn't make the file executable. You should also edit the script to tell it what user to run the server ass.
01:31<somiaj>Aidan_160: ls -l /etc/init.d/ts3server (I just want the line that gives me the permissions of that file)
01:31<Aidan_160>i edited it and how to i mkae it executable im use to a gui, im a nood at this
01:32<somiaj>Aidan_160: I told you, 'chmod +x /etc/init.d/t3server' that makes it exectuable
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01:33<somiaj>Aidan_160: again keep it in the channel, and you didn't run the chmod command I told you, or you got an error from that command and didn't tell me
01:33<Aidan_160>i no i ran it and it gave me nothing
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01:34<jm_>it should be chmod +x /etc/init.d/ts3server
01:34<somiaj>that should have given him no such file, but yes, I misstyped it. :/
01:35<jm_>indeed
01:35<Aidan_160>haha np i did that and it game me
01:35<Aidan_160>update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
01:35<somiaj>that is good, it is just saying it is doing its job
01:35<Aidan_160>oh ok
01:35<Aidan_160>so should i try a reboot now
01:35<somiaj>It should work, but yes test it when you feel you are ready to reboot.
01:37<Aidan_160>so anytime i oput a autorun script in ther ei shoudl make it a executable and do the update-rc.d default command
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01:39<Aidan_160>it failed to autostart i had to go in and manually execute the script
01:39<somiaj>Aidan_160: depends onw hat you mean by autorun, if you mean whenever you want to manage an LSB init.d script, ues you use update-rc.d to manage those
01:39<somiaj>if you mean you want to run an application when you log into your desktop, tell your desktop (maybe gnome) to run a startup application
01:40<Aidan_160>im using a server
01:40<Aidan_160>no gui
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01:40<Aidan_160>i wan tit to run on the server startup
01:41<somiaj>then use, update-rc.d is the debian tool to manage your startup scripts (again they have to have LSB headers, there are other types of start up scripts out there)
01:41<somiaj>the .service systemd ones won't work.
01:41<Aidan_160>what is a LSB script
01:41<Aidan_160>ill google it
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01:42<somiaj>Aidan_160: it is the type of script you were given, mostly defined by the headers (it is the larget string of comments at the top, other wise it is just an sh (shell) script)
01:43<Aidan_160>so is that sript i found LSD complient
01:43<Aidan_160>LSB
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01:46<somiaj>Aidan_160: as I said, yes it is (I checked before I told you what to do)
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01:46<Aidan_160>im attempting it again
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01:51<Aidan_160>iv used update-rc.d ts3server defaults and its saying it worked but on boot it doesnt work
01:52<somiaj>Aidan_160: '/etc/init.d/ts3server start' does that sucessfully start your ts3 server?
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01:52<Aidan_160>yes
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01:53<somiaj>Aidan_160: ls /etc/rc2.d/ -- do you see a link like maybe S06-ts3server (or some other number)
01:54<Aidan_160>no b
01:54<somiaj>no b?
01:54<Aidan_160>but when i installed proftp it automatically put itself in there why not teamspeak
01:54<Aidan_160>meant just no
01:55<somiaj>Aidan_160: because debian doesn't provide ts3 packages, and the way the company you let you get ts3 didn't make a debian package for it to do all this for you, so you have to do this.
01:55<somiaj>Aidan_160: okay give me the full output of 'update-rc.d ts3server defaults'
01:55<somiaj>Aidan_160: use paste.debian.net
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01:56<Aidan_160>update-rc.d ts3server defaults
01:57<Aidan_160>wait past.debian.net?
01:57<Aidan_160>paste
01:57<Aidan_160>update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
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02:00<soupy>Alright guys, why can't I install screen? Apt is up to date, not having any DNS issues, everything looks golden, but it is unable to find the screen package.
02:00<soupy>Linux'd for years a while back, new to Debian, for some context.
02:01<jm_>!bat
02:01<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
02:01<somiaj>Aidan_160: oh I figured it out, they gave you a bad script
02:02<somiaj>Aidan_160: edit the script, and add '2' to the Required Start line
02:02<Aidan_160>haha how do i fix it
02:02<soupy>Exhibit A: http://paste.debian.net/167227/
02:02<somiaj>!tell soupy about wheezy sources.list
02:03<somiaj>soupy: you only have security sources, you need to add correct sources for the main packages
02:03<soupy>My sources list: http://paste.debian.net/167228/
02:03<Aidan_160>what would this start line look like in the code
02:04<somiaj>Aidan_160: # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 (sorry I ment Default-Start) and Default-Stop 0 1 6
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02:04<somiaj>Aidan_160: those lines are there, just add the numbers to them
02:04<somiaj>soupy: as I said you only have security sources.list, read the factiod from the bot, add two more lines.
02:04<Aidan_160>at the top of the script
02:05<somiaj>Aidan_160: yes, these are the headers I was talkign about. They need to be edited.
02:05<soupy>somiaj: You're a god among men, got it.
02:06<Aidan_160>okay i added 2 and 4 to thr default stop and 0 1 6 to default stop is that right
02:07<somiaj>Aidan_160: if you ment start for the 2 4, then use, now rerun the update-rc.d command, then ls /etc/rc2.d and you should see a link for ts3
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02:07<Aidan_160>before it was default-start 3 5 so i added a 2 in the beginning and 4 adter 3
02:08<Aidan_160>okay ill do that
02:08<somiaj>I think you got it, now go check it worked.
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02:11<Aidan_160>insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (3 5) of script `ts3server' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
02:11<Aidan_160>insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (empty) of script `ts3server' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
02:11<Aidan_160>got those 2 lines when i ran the update
02:12<Aidan_160>thank you for being patient with me and my noobiness
02:12<Aidan_160>haha
02:12<somiaj>Aidan_160: that is just saying warning, the current set up is different from script.
02:12<somiaj>it should be correct now that you cahnged it
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02:13<Aidan_160>its not in the rc2.d
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02:13<Aidan_160>heres what in it README S01motd S13rpcbind S14nfs-common S16rsyslog S17acpid S17atd S17cron S17dbus S17exim4 S17proftpd S17ssh S18saned S19bootlogs S20rc.local S20rmnologin
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02:15<somiaj>Aidan_160: I'm tired, I have told you way more than enough. 'ln -fs /etc/init.d/ts3server /etc/rc2.d/S20ts3server'
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02:15<somiaj>I don't know why it didn't work, sure it is something silly. But I'm tired of supporting a thrid party script.
02:16<Aidan_160>no problem ill do some google digging or try to contact the scripter thank you for trying
02:16<somiaj>that last command I gave you will just put the link in place
02:17<somiaj>That should make it work and we can be done with this
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02:20<somiaj>Aidan_160: one question, when you changed the script, did you change the script in /etc/init.d or the one that you downloaded (not copied into place)
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02:21<Aidan_160>thank you so much it works, thank you for putting up with my lack of linux knowhow, im trying to learn
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02:22<Aidan_160>i downloaded it on my win maching and FTP'd it to that directory then used nano to change it
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02:26<somiaj>oh well I don't want to dbug why it didn't work.
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02:27<Aidan_160>ill try to coneact the scrtipter and tell him it needs working on
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02:33<jm_>it's probably made for RH or SuSE or somesuch
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05:21<nirgal>Hi. I'm currently upgrading a computer to jessie via ssh, and it git stuck on "Setting up console-setup (1.121) ..."... ps shows /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-setup.postinst calling subprocess [console-setup.p] <defunct>. Kill -9 console-setup.postinst permits me to continue the upgrade. I can reproduce the problem with "apt-get -f install" that get stuck in the postinst of console-setup (State: partially configured). Any idea of things I might join to a b
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05:38<jm_>nirgal: have you checked BTS?
05:40<nirgal>There are a couple of similar bugs (764437, 776101), but my issue looks different with a zombie process
05:40<jm_>what's the script written in?
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05:45<nirgal>Well postinst is a shell script of course. But it hangs somewhere in debconf as far as I can tell
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05:47<jm_>stick set -x in it then to see exactly which call it is
05:47<nirgal>In setupcon
05:48<Fily>are there programing channels on debian irc <demending voic>
05:48<Fily>voice*
05:48<jm_>setupcon has been known to fail before, on serial console for example (if my memory serves me well)
05:48<nirgal>https://paste.debian.net/167257/
05:49<jm_>that's the one I would expect to hang, not debconf
05:49<valdyn>Fily: theres no debian irc, theres just debian channels, the same servers / irc networks have various channels
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05:50<nirgal>https://paste.debian.net/167260/ <-- and this is a ps with the zombie
05:52<valdyn>nirgal: what if you just run "setupcon -v"
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05:53<nirgal>https://paste.debian.net/167261/ <-- setupcon -v
05:54<valdyn>nirgal: so it works basically, just not with the env in the install script
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05:55<valdyn>nirgal: add -v to the install script there too, though i suspect the error may be later..
05:56<Fily>debian channels!
05:56<Fily>demit
05:56<Fily>oh mah it's on oftc ahahhaahah
05:57<Fily>i just saw it
05:57<Fily>it's oftc
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05:57<Fily>that is so super silly ;-)
05:57<Fily>goodbye
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06:00<nirgal>https://paste.debian.net/167262/ <--- with "set -x" and "setupcon -v" on both calls
06:01<valdyn>nirgal: something wrong with your /tmp ?
06:02<nirgal>/tmp/tmpkbd.NDS5Ru doesn't exists
06:03<nirgal>I can't see anything wrong with my /tmp. It's "drwxrwxrwt root:root", it's not in the output of 'mount'
06:04<nirgal>disk is not full
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06:05<valdyn>nirgal: this debugging is pretty blind..
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06:05<valdyn>nirgal: replace that last setupcon -v with "strace -eopen setupcon -v" (install strace first)
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06:08<jm_>setupcon is a shell script, might as well stick set -x in it too
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06:12<nirgal>running "strace -eopen setupcon -v" works, but if replace the line in the postinst, I don't get anything more.... After adding a -x in /bin/setupcon, the while postinst works oO.
06:13<nirgal>Now I can reproduce the bug with dpkg-reconfigure console-setup if (and only if) I remove the "set -x" from /bin/setupcon
06:14<jm_>this probably only happens over ssh, I suspect it would work fine on console
06:14<SynrG>heisenbug. my favourite kind.
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06:18<nirgal>well, it now works for me, but I suspect it may break a bunch of jessie upgrades :/
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06:38<valdyn>it works fine over ssh usually anyway
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07:06<valdyn>nirgal: what is your /bin/sh btw?
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07:38<tobib>I recently updated my system to jessie. I noticed that some packages were gone, notably selinux-policy-default. As far as I understand they have no chance of coming back in because jessie is already frozen. So do I understand correctly that SELinux will not be included in the upcoming version of debian? Or is there some workaround/alternative I do not yet know about?
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08:39<ThomasKeller>I am troubleshooting "suspend" on Debian Wheezy laptop
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08:39<ThomasKeller>there are scripts which are executed on suspend and then on resume
08:39<ThomasKeller>these scripts are in:
08:39<ThomasKeller>/etc/pm/sleep.d/
08:39<ThomasKeller>/usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/
08:39<ThomasKeller>most of the scripts in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ are empty (0 bytes)
08:40<ThomasKeller>but they are still being "executed"
08:40<ThomasKeller>I am wondering what is the purpose of these scripts
08:41<ThomasKeller>can I just delete them ?
08:41<ThomasKeller>or are they placeholders for something ?
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08:44<nirgal>I filled a report for my issue as #782753, thanks to jm_, valdyn and others for the help.
08:45<somiaj>ThomasKeller: /etc/pm/sleep.d is for you to put in special scripts, /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/ are package supplied scripts.
08:46<somiaj>ThomasKeller: I have no scripts in /etc/pm/sleep.d, as for why you have a lot of touch (0 byte) files there is a mystery to me unless something put them there. But yes you dno't need them (though you should backup just in case, but that is just me being paranoid)
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08:49<somiaj>ThomasKeller: another useful tool, 'dpkg -S /path/to/file' tells you what package supplied what files (though unsure if certain config files and things generated by postinst scripts will be regiestered)
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08:53<ThomasKeller>somiaj: thanks a lot
08:53<ThomasKeller>when I resume from sleep, my network does not work (ifconfig shows it is set up, but ping does not work, for example)
08:53<ThomasKeller>would you by any chance know what is wrong ?
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08:55<somiaj>ThomasKeller: how do you configure your network?
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08:57<ThomasKeller>auto wlan0
08:57<ThomasKeller>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
08:57<ThomasKeller> wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa.conf
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08:58<somiaj>It is probabaly an issue with the dhcp lease and how you are using wpa-supplicant
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08:59<somiaj>ThomasKeller: zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz -- check out the configuration for romaing mode. I think that will give wpasupplicant more control and it should not only reassoicate with the ap you are closest to, it should refresh any dhcp leases
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09:01<ThomasKeller>what is the normal process on resume ?
09:01<ThomasKeller>I need to reasociate with the AP ?
09:01<ThomasKeller>and renew the DHCP lease ?
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09:12<somiaj>ThomasKeller: correct, and depending on how you configure things, your driver, you may not do this unless something is running in the background doing this for y ou.
09:12<somiaj>ThomasKeller: wpa_supplicant can do just that, or you could use something like network-manager
09:13<somiaj>ThomasKeller: the interfaces file may only run when you bring up/down the device and not do much after suspends.
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10:16<LemPeX>haiou
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10:17<namix>i've a vserver runs under virtuozzo with a 2.6.32 kernel ( i cant change the kernel, kernel is a host virtuzzo thing ), runs jessie with this kernel?
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10:19<Brigo>namix, may be without systemd you could try, but i think it will fail anyway. The jessie kernel is 3.16
10:19<Brigo>even the wheezy kernel is 3.2
10:20<namix>in a virtuzzo environment i cant change/user the wheezy kernel
10:20<namix>-r
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10:21<namix>the host system is giving the kernel
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10:22<Brigo>namix, i know that. I am just asking your question about running jessie with that kernel. And i am reading debian-next too.
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10:31<namix>Brigo: ... okay :)
10:32<blast007>namix: a host that uses KVM instead of OpenVZ would let you use a different kernel than the host
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10:49<namix>blast007: i know, thx. I've wrote my Serverprovider and asked for another virtualisation Solution.
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11:27<awal>!remove gnome
11:27<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
11:28<awal>Is this ^ up to date? appliable for gnome 3 too or only gnome 2?
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11:31<drx3z>hello
11:31<drx3z>germany?
11:31<drx3z>help
11:31<drx3z>me
11:31<drx3z>please
11:32<drx3z>germany?
11:32<drx3z>chanle
11:32<drx3z>?
11:32<mtn>!de
11:32<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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11:34<drx3z>yes
11:34<drx3z>de
11:34<drx3z>?
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11:35<SynrGy>drx3z: /join #debian.de
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11:56<averythomas>what command can I run in LFTP to deleted all files ending in .tar.gz older than 5 days?
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12:19<Islam>hi there
12:19<Islam>I have a little issue installing wine
12:19<Islam>any help ?
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12:20<mtn>Islam: open package manager, search for wine, install
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12:41<SynrG>alternatively, "open irc, join support channel, ask your question, wait for longer than 30 seconds for an answer"
12:41<SynrG>:p
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12:41<mtn>that would be asking for a lot :)
12:41<SynrG>averythomas: overly constrained problem
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12:44<averythomas>SynrG: how so?
12:44<SynrG>well, unless you use a pipeline ...
12:44<SynrG>actually, turns out in lftp, you can
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12:46<SynrG>i just don't know what to do at the end of the pipeline to execute an lftp command
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12:50<SynrG>averythomas: maybe better suited to curlftpfs?
12:50<SynrG>averythomas: the 'in LFTP' is the constraint that's easiest to drop
12:51<SynrG>because this then becomes a simple job for find
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12:51<SynrG>the problem is, it doesn't appear that lftp knows about file dates
12:51<SynrG>it can list them, but not select on them
12:51<SynrG>find, on the other hand, happily can do date-range selects
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12:56<kos87>Starting from debhelper 9 there is a problem when your "debian/*.install" file is marked as executable. I cannot understand the reason for that change. Looked at the changelog for debhelper and didn't find there an informative explanation.
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13:30<drx3z>hey
13:30<drx3z>hallo
13:30<drx3z>Ich brauche ein paar infos..
13:30<centrx>!de
13:30<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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14:37<converge>Does Debian project have a goal list, or a management team, or something that drives the project ?
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14:40<soporte>hola
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14:41<zlatan>converge, it's a doocracy
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14:52<converge>zlatan: I feel that the project needs a leadership, like have goals to reach, or directions, looking for that
14:52*Maulkin hides
14:53<zlatan>converge, it has a goal building best Free and universal OS on planet (and in Universe)
14:53<zlatan>converge, and Maulkin is our new DPL so tell him in face what you have to!
14:54<converge>zlatan: tell in face sounds rude, just wanna talk to understand where the project is going
14:55<zlatan>converge, don't take me seriously
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14:55<zlatan>I am just a bot
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14:55<converge>alright
14:56<converge>Maulkin: do we have a wiki or something with the project goals ?
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14:59<Maulkin>converge: I'll need a bit more details...
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15:01<Maulkin>converge: In general? For the next release? How do you mean?
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15:13<aidan160>where do i get the no=gui server version of debian
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15:13<towo`>everywhere, if you don'z install a gui
15:13<aidan160>so the default install cd comes with an option not to install gui
15:13<somiaj>aidan160: many install debian from a minimial base system (this is contained on the netinstall cd) and then install only the software they need after
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15:14<somiaj>all install medius will install a minimial base system, they then ask would you like to install additional packages (such as a destkop enviorment). Just say no to DEs
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15:14<jmlongo>I always use the "netinst" and buil up from there
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15:14<jmlongo>*build
15:15<aidan160>im a newbie to linux text based i run alot of win based servers but im wanting to move to linux
15:15<somiaj>aidan160: actually I shoudln't say all, I should say all normal debian installers. The debian live images have a special 'live installer' which doesn't allow you to not install the gui in the live system (i.e. the live installer makes a clone of the live image)
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15:15<somiaj>though there are rescue and standard live images that contain no gui
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15:16<aidan160>so im looking for the small installation image
15:16<somiaj>aidan160: grab the netinstall image, best of all worlds. The image itself is like 300megs (this is because it contains this minimum base system).
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15:17<aidan160>im just confused about the net install part does that mean it contains the base then alows you to install waht you want from the net
15:17<somiaj>aidan160: you can either say no to tasksel (that is the thing that asks about additional software), or just choose non-gui tasks. i.e. the tasks are just set up to install a default set of packages from the net (hence net install) after the minimum base system is installed.
15:17<aidan160>okay thank you
15:18<somiaj>correct, I think net-install is a confusing name. Because on the image is a functional minimial debian system. It doens't contain much, but it is functional
15:18<somiaj>also this is good to know if you need non-free firmware or something tricky to get the system on the net. You can still use the install image to install a minimial system. Then configure it to get on the network, then install the rest of the packages you want.
15:18<aidan160>thnk you for your help i dont want to mess up my main server (you know the one you helped me with last night) so im making a side one i can mess with
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15:21<aidan160>whats the command to check the exact realese of the OS on my main server so i can get that one to test it\
15:22<somiaj>aidan160: you should have wheezy, as that is the only currently supported release of debian right now
15:22<somiaj>7.x (any wheezy install image will work, just upgrade the packages once it is installed)
15:22<aidan160>i know its deb 7 but is it 7.8 or not
15:22<somiaj>that doens't matter
15:22<aidan160>oh ok thank you
15:22<somiaj>the differences are just security and bug fixes (nothing major). If you happen to install 7.4, you can easily upgrade to 7.8 plus any additional security fixes from the net.
15:23<aidan160>okay thank you
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15:24<somiaj>but any image you get from debian.org right now will be 7.8 (the current point release)
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16:19<aidan160>when running a deb 7 server in a virtualbox server on a windows host what kind of network adapter should i use
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16:19<towo`>depends
16:20<aidan160>i wannna make it seem as itts a whole nother computer on my network
16:20<towo`>if you want easy connection to this vm, use bridged network
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16:20<towo`>then you want bridged network
16:20<aidan160>okay thank you
16:21<aidan160>itll be assigbed a seperate ip from the host.
16:21<aidan160>?
16:21<towo`>no, from your dhcp server
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16:21<towo`>it acts like a real pc in your network
16:22<aidan160>okay thank you
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16:31<somiaj>I like libvirts method, instead of briding the network, it sets up a virtual network, and then uses ip routing to connect the virtual network to the physical network.
16:31<somiaj>but this also means you have to set up firewall routes if you want the outside to connect to the machine easily.
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16:35<towo`>somiaj, and libvirt supports virtualbox?
16:35<awal>I'm trying to understand what fluxbox does exactly in the background when clicking in 'Reconfigure, Restart and Exit' entry's in root menu. Where I have to look being in debian system?
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16:35<somiaj>towo`: I belive so
16:36<somiaj>towo`: though I qemu-kvm for my virtulization.
16:36<somiaj>towo`: virtualbox has it's own default things to configure it
16:37<somiaj>https://libvirt.org/drvvbox.html
16:37<towo`>i only ask, because aidan160 is using virtualbox
16:37<awal>I looked to all fluxbox files but don't found an answer.
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16:38<aidan160>is virtuabox a good program to run a linux server
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16:39<somiaj>aidan160: I would say no, but that is my opinion. People do use it, but many think there are 'better' options.
16:39<aidan160>what would you use i
16:39<aidan160>i just weanna learn
16:40<somiaj>I would suggest use what you find easiest and most familar with.
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16:40<somiaj>I use to use virtualbox, but use qemu-kvm now
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16:40<aidan160>i can learn ill look at that other one
16:41<awal>Is there any pack or app or I don't know what that can show in real time what is executed in the background when clicking in a given X entry of X root menu, app menu, etc, or a file where such thing are saved/loged?
16:41<somiaj>libvirt and then virt-manager will proivde a gui to create/manage control virtual machines
16:41<aidan160>oh qemu-kvm isnt for wondows hosts is it
16:41<somiaj>libvirt can work with virtual box or qemu-kvm, it is designed to be a common tool, and then use the virtualization you like best.
16:41<somiaj>yea it is only for linux hosts I belive (uses stuff in the linux kernel and the virtualization features of modern kernels)
16:42<aidan160>oh ok
16:42<somiaj>if you are on a windows host, use tools common to windows. Virtualbox might be the best choice there.
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17:11<awal>got confused, excuses
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17:14<awal>So guys, where I must look for understand how DE's/WM's handle shutdown, reboot ... under debian with systemd?
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17:16<musca>awal: policykit and logind
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17:17<awal>musca: ok, thanks
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17:29<astronaut>hi! is it possible to add updated two packages in jessie before release? mpv 0.8.3-1 and youtube-dl 2015.02.28-1
17:30<astronaut>the reason: you can watch videos from supported sites like youtube etc. with mpv which can use youtube-dl
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17:32<astronaut>reason 2: it is much faster than current testing package mpv 0.6.2-2 which uses quvi to watch online videos.
17:33<astronaut>reason 3: mpv 0.8.3-1 and youtube-dl 2015.02.28-1 combination supports ssl
17:34<astronaut>mpv 0.8.3-1 and youtube-dl 2015.02.28-1 packages are currently in unstable repos. i backported them. they works fine
17:35<centrx>probably not going to happen
17:35<astronaut>so please add those packages to jessie before it becomes stable
17:35<Maulkin>astronaut: Hi there!
17:35<Marillion>astronaut: no way, unless it is in unstable and the release team take it
17:35<centrx>maybe youtube-dl if it breaks entirely on youtube
17:36<astronaut>Maulkin, hi
17:36<astronaut>but i have good resons for that
17:36<Maulkin>astronaut: I doubt it unfortunately, we're due to release in less than two weeks, so it's basically too late. However, backports exists too, so this can be used to bring newer verions of packages for people that need them
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17:38<astronaut>Maulkin, but mpv 0.6.2-2 and quvi stuff sucks seriously. it doesn't support ssl and it is slow
17:39<Hydroxide>if youtube-dl breaks entirely on youtube, in addition to Maulkin's answer, it mmight be possible to get a minimal fix into 8.1 (the first point release after release), with backports in the meantime.
17:39<astronaut>don't give people these packages by default
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17:39<centrx>astronaut, I've been using mpv 0.6.2-2 for several months and it works fine
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17:40<astronaut>centrx, i mean, the player itself works fine, no problem here. but watching online videos with it sucks
17:40<Hydroxide>as for a markedly new major version of either tool like you suggested, we definitely try to avoid putting new major versions in stable, because it can break people who depend on old behavior (even old bugs). backports does provide a way to use newer software, as Maulkin mentioned.
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17:41<Hydroxide>but minimal functionality fixes for a tool that no longer works at all can be considered for stable point releases, which happen several times per year.
17:41<centrx>astronaut, Debian is stable. The stable release does not get new features. The new stable release will be released in two weeks, it is frozen.
17:42<centrx>astronaut, Both of these packages will undoubtedly get new packages in jessie-backports
17:42<astronaut>ok. i am just suggesting. i have backported them easily already
17:43<centrx>It is a reasonable idea, but there are New Good Things in all kinds of software across the entire system
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17:44<Hydroxide>astronaut: if you want the suggestion to be acted upon, the best thing to do is wait until Jessie releases, make sure they get into jessie-backports for use by anyone running jessie, and to the extent possible, propose minimal functionality fixes (not new major versions) for jessie-proposed-updates to find their way into 8.1
17:45<Hydroxide>astronaut: this can ensure all jessie users have a solution available to them quite soon after jessie releases, and in the case of severe breakage like "youtube-dl doesn't work at all", can get a fix into the archive mere months later
17:46<Hydroxide>nobody is saying that jessie users need to be screwed and will have to wait until the following major Debian release. that would indeed be bad, but we have better answers than that. :)
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17:47<astronaut>Hydroxide, youtube-dl is going to break after some time anyway
17:47<Hydroxide>astronaut: I'm aware - it's been updated before in the way I describe, so that is a valid fix.
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17:53<converge>Im trying to install nvidia driver for a GeForce 5200 in debian jessie
17:53<converge>is there a nice tutorial for it ?
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18:00<Maulkin>!nvidia
18:00<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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18:30<musca>converge: nvidia-legacy-173xx in wheezy was the last release to support your card. sadly it doesn't support latest xorg. So in jessie you have to use nouveau.
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18:34<converge>musca: the only way is to install the nvidia driver from source, I think
18:34<musca>no. https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/533434/linux/current-graphics-driver-releases/
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18:36<musca>see the (*) note
18:36<converge>got it, that means long hours compiling kernel and installing this driver
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18:37<musca>Support for X.Org xserver version 1.15 was added to the 173.14.* legacy driver series with version 173.14.39.
18:37<azzenovic> /msg dpkg 7.8
18:37<musca>Jessie has 1.16
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19:08<F4RR3L>Hello
19:09<Maulkin>Hi
19:09<F4RR3L>Is it possible to run VMWare without the monitor, on a server?
19:09<F4RR3L>VMWare player
19:09<F4RR3L>I'm getting an error about a missing kernel "vmmon" which prolly means that there is no monitor detected
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19:10<Maulkin>!vmware
19:10<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>.
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19:10<F4RR3L>thanks
19:10<Maulkin>No problems
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19:11<F4RR3L>Could you perhaps tell me how to uninstall it? I got it from a .bundle
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19:28<F4RR3L>Okay one more question xD
19:28<F4RR3L>I can't seem to be able to change keyboard layout in my Gnome
19:28<F4RR3L>There's only 1 available
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19:28<F4RR3L>How do I install / setup more
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19:32<geekosupremo>!wordpress
19:32<dpkg>WordPress is an open source blogging tool written in PHP, forked from b2/cafelog. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" and Debian 7 "Wheezy", the wordpress package was updated to version 3.6.1 in September 2013 (DSA-2757-1); see /usr/share/doc/wordpress/NEWS.Debian and /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.Debian for important information. http://wiki.debian.org/WordPress http://wordpress.org/ #wordpress on irc.freenode.net.
19:32<F4RR3L>!layout
19:32<F4RR3L>!keyboardlayout
19:33<F4RR3L>!language
19:33<dpkg>well, language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <knoppix> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>.
19:33<svetlana>irrelevant
19:33<svetlana>may you take a screenshot please though
19:34<geekosupremo>!keyboard
19:34<dpkg>A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware, or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/ . For help configuring up your keyboard, ask me about <keymap>, <keyboard specialkeys>, <multimedia keys>, <key delay>, <capslock>. See also <cherry>.
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19:50<F4RR3L>!localization
19:50<dpkg>methinks l10n is an abbreviation for localization, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? http://wiki.debian.org/L10n http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-$language
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19:52<retrospectacus>!msgthebot
19:52<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database.
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20:00<finetundra>hello folks, how do I go about installing adobe flash?
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20:00<Nemoder>!adobe flash
20:00<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is proprietary (non-free) software. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree package, ask me about <contrib>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer. Try «update-flashplugin-nonfree --install» if the installation didn't seem to work or to update the plugin.
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20:02<loko>hello
20:03<loko>anyone here knows root password for boot-repair?
20:03<finetundra>when I attempt to install I get this: http://pastebin.com/cnu01U5G
20:04<F4RR3L>!keyboard layout
20:04<F4RR3L>!keyboard localization
20:04<F4RR3L>!test
20:04<dpkg>Test failed.
20:04<F4RR3L>xD
20:04<Nemoder>!tell finetundra about contrib
20:04<loko>pls help
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20:04<loko>i`m desesperate
20:05<loko>trying to fix an issue for hours =<
20:05<loko>=\
20:05<retrospectacus>what issue
20:05<loko>2 issues TBH
20:05<retrospectacus>!fixmbr
20:05<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
20:05<loko>installed debian netinst without internet
20:06<loko>then installed grub and it fucked it up
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20:06<loko>now i just want to install debian with netinst with network connection
20:06<loko>but i need root acces to install yum on boot-repair(my only livecd right now)
20:07<finetundra>Nemoder, I don't understand. How do I do that
20:08<loko>the default usb installer that synaptic package has to install had some issues with Debian netinst ISO
20:09<retrospectacus>very little of that made any sense. Did you read the install guide?
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20:10<loko>sorry my english isnt very good
20:10<Nemoder>finetundra: as dpkg said, you'll need to open the configuration file in a text editor and add contrib to your sources
20:10<loko>ill explain it shortly
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20:12<loko>installed with netinst iso->oh oh no internet connection->fuck it im going to install minimal->install grub too yeah->GRUB fuck windows partition->fix GRUB with boot-repair->fix internet->ok now i just need to install it again andddd->cant install yum because no root access->program that boot-repair has on synaptic package manager is shit
20:13<retrospectacus>yum? The redhat thingy?
20:13<loko>sorry misspelled
20:13<loko>i wanted to say yumi
20:14<loko>does it make sense now?
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20:14<retrospectacus>no. what is yumi
20:15<loko>a program to burn ISOs of operating systems on USB sticks
20:15<loko>like universal USB installer
20:15<somiaj>loko: are you on windows or a unix os
20:15<loko>im on boot-repair right now
20:15<somiaj>loko: debian isos are already a correct image, you just have to write the image.
20:15<retrospectacus>loko: to make the USB from a ISO, you use the "cp" command. Do not use any other junk
20:15<somiaj>loko: do you want to copy a debian .iso to a usb drive?
20:15<retrospectacus>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03
20:16<loko>yes
20:16<loko>oh didn`t knew a program wasn`t required for that task
20:16<somiaj>loko: cp debian.iso /dev/usb_device (something like sdb, sdc) make sure you pick the correct device as this is very destructive.
20:16<loko>ill check it thanks
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20:17<loko>but that would only copy the iso, not whats inside, no?
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20:18<somiaj>loko: note my destionation. I'm not copying the .iso to a file system (/place/usb/is/mounted)
20:18<loko>right
20:18<somiaj>loko: i'm copying the 'image' directaly onto the device, the image contains a partition table and all the info needed to boot.
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20:20<glendha>alguém ai sabe tocar violão,mora em recife e tem entre 16 e 18?
20:20<loko>how can i know what is my pendrive partition name?
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20:22<somiaj>loko: when you plug it in, look at the output of 'dmesg | tail', the kernel will tell you what device it assigned it too
20:22<somiaj>loko: note this only works if the drive is not mounted, if you are currently botting up off that device, this will fail. you alos need to make sure you unmount any file system on that device as you will destory all data on it
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20:24<loko>so, Ill do the cp command with the drive unmounted, got it right?
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20:27<live>why cp and not dd?
20:28*live just joined
20:28<somiaj>live: cp's defaults are better than dd
20:29<somiaj>live: in the end they both do the same, cp is probabaly better for this unless you have some hardware you really need to control block copy size.
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20:29<somiaj>(I belive cp will be faster unless of course you play with the dd block size)
20:30<somiaj>live: you could also use cat file.iso > /dev/usbdevice, so multiple tools. (:
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20:39<loko>somiaj, result of the command you suggested cp: cannot create regular file ‘/dev/sdd1’: Permission denied
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20:43<retrospectacus>sdd1 is incorrect
20:43<retrospectacus>sdd might be correct
20:43<retrospectacus>the block device should exist already
20:43<retrospectacus>you can determine what it is by the output of "dmesg"
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20:44<loko>checked it with the df command
20:44<loko>but i might be wrong
20:44<loko>ill check again
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20:47<loko>damn i give up, ill just install my old computer again and do this thing the way im used to...
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20:47<loko>thanks for your help guys
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20:48<retrospectacus>df ???...
20:49<centrx>it shows some like disks
20:49<retrospectacus>only if they're mounted
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20:50<centrx>I know, but, like, disks
20:50<centrx><insert random disk-related command>
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21:55<CHAO7ICX>Hi ! I need help with Samba share from debian to Win7 !
21:55<CHAO7ICX>Am I at the right place ?
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21:56<CHAO7ICX>It's a simple, yet frustrating problem. When I map my network drive (samba share) on Win7, it is not displaying the correct space used/left
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21:58<CHAO7ICX>Anybody has any pointers on how to fix this issue ?
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22:47<MichaelPaoli>Debian Wheezy 7.8 x86_64/amd64 ... so, USB drive got the power kicked out from under it (oops) - I'm trying to unjam and umount the few remaining filesystems that got "stuck" - notably have one ext3 on LVM, and some zfs under fuse that are "stuck" ... suggestions?
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22:49<MichaelPaoli>... and I have also tried the -f option on umount and zpool export (could optionally export and reimport the ZFS stuff).
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22:50<somiaj>MichaelPaoli: if the file system didnt' sync before the 'issue' you are going to have trouble, it might be stuck trying to sync the file system. dmesg give you any clue why it isn't unmounting.
22:50<somiaj>part of it being an LVM you may have to do some data recovery depending on how much corruption happened becuase you didn't cleanly umount it
22:51<MichaelPaoli>somiaj I think dmesg likely complained of I/O issues when it went off-line, but the activity was relatively light and should be easy to recover from - only one filesystem was quite active, and that was a simple data copy that's reproducible - the rest were quiescent.
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22:53<somiaj>MichaelPaoli: if the file system was out of sync at the time of the sever it could be a lot of corruption (again if it wasnt activally being used could be it was synced). But I'm unsure what to do. I would almost sugest a reboot to get a fresh software stack and then worry about recovery afterwards.
22:53<somiaj>I had a dog's tail hit a usb external drive off my coffetable once, I think the jaring of it hitting the ground was the problem, but lost most data and the file system was hosed.
22:53<MichaelPaoli>somiaj I/O error, dev ... rejecting I/O to offline device ... Buffer I/O error on device ... mostly stuff of that nature.
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22:55<MichaelPaoli>somiaj Yep, ... could always reboot :-) ... that would do it ... but I'm kind'a interested in fixing it without reboot - if feasible ... sometimes reboot isn't an option. In the cases I've had this issue before, have been able to untangle it, but the added variable in this case is ZFS under fuse also on that USB.
22:55<somiaj>MichaelPaoli: I can understand io errors because the drive disappeared and it may not be able to recover from that since it is trying to write to a device that doesn't exist. Do you get these errors when you plug the drive back in, if so y ou may have damaged your hardaware.
22:55<MichaelPaoli>somiaj ... it is, however, a completely separate pool for that device ... and could export *all* of ZFS, unload/reload fuse ... but the zpool export - even witih -f option, also hangs.
22:56<somiaj>MichaelPaoli: I'm unsure if there is a way to force unmount a file system that is waiting to sync/clean up on a device that doesn't exist. Might be possible, but I don't know of a way. It could be the kernel is stcuk waiting from response from the device and nothign can be done.
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22:56<somiaj>(it could be there is a way to get around this and foce it to unmount, but I'm not familar with doing such thigns)
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22:57<MichaelPaoli>It's just USB drive - lost power, and power restoerd ... when it came back it came back as different sd device, ... I was able to clear that all out and get it back as the original device, but still couldn't quite free up one stuck filesystem, nor get the zpool to export or otherwise behave fully as it ought to.
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22:58<MichaelPaoli>somiaj Thanks. Yeah, I've been quite successful before, ... mix of kill -9, umount -f, dmsetup remove, and some rm, and eventually cleared it all out and was able to bring all back fine - but that was without ZFS under fuse on the device that lost I/O connectivity.
22:58<somiaj>MichaelPaoli: well if you want to do more research go for it. But my guess is in order to unmount the old file system on the now dead device the kernel needs to talk to the device, but it can't (the device no longer exists on that node) so it gets IO errors. I'm unsure what one could do to force the kernel to just drop info about this 'dead device' or not.
22:59<MichaelPaoli>somiaj Okay, thanks, I'll poke around some more, and search/research some more ... I'm suspecting it may be the ZFS/fuse layer that's particularly "jammed", as I was successful before, without that added complication.
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23:02<somiaj>MichaelPaoli: yea out of my experience, I'm more just talking though with my limited ideas. Sometimes that helps people think, oh I shoudl do this. (:
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23:03<MichaelPaoli>somiaj Yes, thanks. :-) /etc/init.d/zfs-fuse has a lovely force-stop option, but alas, this case, that also hangs.
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23:13<MichaelPaoli>somiaj Ah, ... I think I about got it! ... kill -9 to the zfs fuse PID (kill -15 wouldn't do it), remove its PID file, then service zfs-fuse start ... I think I'm about 85 to 95% of the way there now - got the stuck, unstuck, and I think only one filesystem failed to remount (and that's probably a minor booboo on my mount specification for it).
23:14<MichaelPaoli>somiaj I was remembering once upon a time, with ZFS fuse, it suddenly stopped working - the zfs fuse PID had died - couldn't just restart it, but had to remove its PID file first, then restart it and all was fine again - seems solution in scenario of disconnected drive is relatively similar.
23:15<somiaj>MichaelPaoli: I am lazy, I just reboot to reset my software stack. :/
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23:15<MichaelPaoli>somiaj I'm lazy/efficient too, ... rebooting tends to annoy me, too much state stuff to manually restart (windows, applications, files I'm viewing, ...)
23:16<somiaj>sounds like you need better session managament. :D
23:17<MichaelPaoli>somiaj uptime ... 69 days, 10:51 ... and that's a *laptop*! (but I treat it rather more like a "server") ... uprecords ... #1 - 178 days ...
23:17<somiaj>How many kernel explopits were fixed int hat time. (:
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23:18<somiaj>I rarely reboot, but I stoped caryign about my uptime a long time ago. But with my ssd and systemd, reboots take like 30seconds to a min, takes me way longer than that to debug something. (:
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23:19<MichaelPaoli>somiaj ah, true, ... too lazy/efficient ... e.g. 'bout a dozen vi sessions on stuff in buffer not written to file, etc., annoying to have to "recover" that, reopen the dozen or two dozen or so browser tabs I happened to be on, in different states, different browsers, different windows, ...
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23:20<somiaj>anyways we off topic, glad you got it to work. (:
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23:20<MichaelPaoli>somiaj My reboot takes me a bit longer - on account of passphrases & LUKs - but otherwise the actual reboot part is pretty darn fast. It's the "everything else after" that takes bit longer (lots of windows within screen - even nested screen sessions - connections to other systems, etc., etc.)
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23:22<MichaelPaoli>somiaj Thanks, yep, I believe I got it working - have to follow-through on the remnant bits - but it's likely "all better now" (maybe just some fsck check upon one remount to go, and fixing one mount specification - but all else appears good again).
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23:22<zachary>Sorry about the join/part/quit spam. I was having some connection issues. They are all sorted out now :)
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23:24<MichaelPaoli>somiaj ... maybe I won't need to reboot 'till Jessie's released :-) and it's time to definitely then run a new kernel ... not *too* many days to go now! :-)
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