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01:16<pc-moon>hello , i wanna easy way to change ip to text or domain , my target is open is computer by domain no ip , and thank you
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02:04<Loidian>hi guys, I'm trying to install the package that's on this tutorial: https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
02:04<Loidian>but i terminal says dev isn't a command
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02:04<Loidian>and i get this error on apt-get(free translation):
02:04<Loidian>Impossible to get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporary unavailable)
02:05<Loidian>Impossible to get exclusive access to administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is there another process using it?
02:05<Loidian>any tips on solving this issue?
02:05<themill>Just as it says, that means you've already got another apt/dpkg/aptitude/unattended-upgrades/synaptic already running
02:06<Loidian>I'm indeed running synaptic
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02:06<Loidian>I'll try closing it
02:08<Loidian>Ok now i get a different error
02:08<Loidian>it says: impossible to find ralink-firmware package
02:08<Loidian>=\
02:09<Loidian>maybe it's something related to that deb command?
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02:17<Loidian>oh well, just found out what this deb is hahaha
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02:18<Loidian>but even after enabling non-free software and updating apt-get
02:18<Loidian>debian still fails to recognize the package
02:19<themill>real output from real commands in a pastebin would help a lot
02:19<themill>!localised errors
02:19<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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02:21<Loidian>after running that command, i still get terminal output in portuguese
02:22<themill>given I don't know what "that command is" ...
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02:22<Loidian>but does it really matter on this case? the package isn't being found, it's that simple
02:22<Loidian>by that command i mean LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install
02:23<themill>that command is not relevant to your situation though, is it?
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02:23<Loidian>i don't think so
02:23<themill>at the moment, I'm hoping that you will show me some relevant output from just about any command...
02:25<Loidian>nvm, it was just a typo on the terminal lol
02:25<Loidian>sorry
02:25<Loidian>thanks for your help
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04:33<dutchfish>hi, can someone point me into the right direction? i want to harden som libc functionality (in my own bins) either statically binding or hardened libc modules. I am currently looking at musl's package. Are there better alternatives (not falling back on static loading) and still have the gains of cached usage while doing it dynamically?
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04:34<dutchfish>(debian jessie X64)
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05:01<Artej>hi
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07:15<OldOneEye>can debian be installed to a usb stick?
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07:16<arand>OldOneEye: yes
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07:32<mah3uz>Hi
07:32<ixi>!ask
07:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:33<ixi>OldOneEye yes but wear and tear might kill the stick very fast
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09:01<BlackDragon42>Hello.
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09:26<threefiftyfive>greetings
09:27<threefiftyfive>I want to copy some files from an external HDD that might have a virus on it, to a clean computer. How do I go about this?
09:27<mtn>threefiftyfive: windows files?
09:28<threefiftyfive>mtn no, just text files mostly, but i'm afraid if I just connect the external HDD, i can not rely that my PC is safe anymore
09:28<mtn>threefiftyfive: very very unlikely you will see or find any virus for linux
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09:29<threefiftyfive>hm, okay
09:29<mtn>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
09:30<threefiftyfive>oh, mtn , how do I make a new partition without root access on a new Ubuntu installation?
09:30<mtn>threefiftyfive: do you mean you don't have root permissions?
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09:31<threefiftyfive>no I mean I want to make a partition to make it so that it doesn't have root permission. for day to day use, someone suggested
09:31<mtn>threefiftyfive: best to go ask ubuntu support
09:31<mtn>!ubuntu
09:31<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
09:31<threefiftyfive>ah ok. thanks
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10:25<poi_dog>help register
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10:25<taree>hi, I can't figure out what package I should install to get webm support in kdenlive in jessie, is this due to the whole ffmpeg/avconv thing or should it work anyway?
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10:27<themill>taree: should work without anything needed at all
10:27<taree>according to the html5 page on youtube i have "WebM VP8" support, but there is no webm profile in kdenlive to render to
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10:35<themill>taree: which version of kdenlive is this btw?
10:35<taree>Version 0.9.10
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10:36<themill>In the Rendering dialogue, set the Destination to be "Web sites" rather than file. (weird ui is weird)
10:36<finetundra>how do you add a source to the source list and which line should it be under?:
10:37<taree>oh yes! thanks!
10:37<taree>themill: thanks, that is indeed a bit weird
10:37<themill>yeah, I think that moved since wheezy too
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10:41<somiaj>finetundra: the order of the lines is of little importantce in the sources.list, I'd just add it at the end, but it isn't important.
10:41<somiaj>finetundra: you can also just add a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ as opposed to a line in sources.list
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10:45<finetundra>thank you good sir
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10:46<mtn>finetundra: this might be of interest to you. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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10:46<finetundra>mtn, I do believe you've given that link to me before
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10:46<mtn>finetundra: did it help? :P
10:47<finetundra>mtn, I don't recall
10:47<mtn>ha
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10:49<finetundra>while we're at it, what's the needed source for adobe flash?
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10:50<somiaj>finetundra: the script to install the flash plugin is in 'contrib' (but then it installs the non-free plugin from teh script)
10:50<somiaj>finetundra: once you add 'contrib' to the end of your main debian sources, the package is flashplugin-nonfree
10:51<somiaj>finetundra: and this is for iceweasel right, not chromium? chromium wont' work with that plugin
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10:51<ixi>pepperflashplugin-nonfree
10:51<finetundra>somiaj, do I need to do that for all of them that end in main. Yes this is for iceweasel
10:51<ixi>^chromium
10:52<somiaj>finetundra: Usually if one wants contrib packages they get them from the main repo, security, and updates. But you only have to add it to the main repo
10:54<finetundra>somiaj, well every source listed is marked main so I don't know which one is the main main
10:54<somiaj>finetundra: I'm talking about the main repo (http.debian.net), but most will replace main with 'main contrib' and if you want non-free software use 'main contrib non-free'
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10:55<somiaj>finetundra: all offical debian sources have all three possibilities. No issue with putting it in all (probabaly best if you want security and updates for those)
10:55<finetundra>somiaj, ok
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10:56<finetundra>somiaj, so does it have to read "main contrib" or replace main with contrib?
10:56<somiaj>finetundra: you want both, you won't be able to install mcuh without the main packages
10:56<somiaj>finetundra: i.e. replace 'main' with 'main contrib'
10:57<finetundra>somiaj, alright
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10:58<finetundra>somiaj, and then I need to punch into terminal "sudo apt-get update" right?
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11:00<somiaj>finetundra: correct
11:00<finetundra>somiaj, awesome
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11:16<awal>If i want to check the code of X pack, where I must look exactly?
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11:19<awal>I mean inside my debian system.
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11:20<mtn>awal: what code are you referring to?
11:20<awal>Never did that so no idea. Looked inside /etc but I'm lost ...
11:20<awal>mtn: I want check fluxbox code right now
11:21<mtn>awal: what is "fluxbox code"? do you mean the source code?
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11:21<awal>mtn: oh yes, source code
11:21<mtn>awal: debian packages are binaries, so you can't look at the code. you can however download source packages to see the source.
11:22<mtn>awal: you have to have source lines in your sources.list
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11:22<awal>mtn: I think I removed the sources lines
11:23<awal>mtn: the binary packs are present somewhere in /etc?
11:23<awal>sorry for my ignorance
11:23<mtn>awal: no. usually /usr in several places. you can see package file lists using dpkg or synaptic
11:23<somiaj>do you mean source code, or edit the config file?
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11:24<awal>somiaj: I just want check source code
11:25<somiaj>awal: then add a deb-src line.
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11:26<awal>somiaj: ok, never downloaded a source code. so once downloaded it will be stored where?
11:27<mtn>awal: you can see package file lists using dpkg or synaptic
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11:30<awal>mtn: ok. understood
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11:31<awal>ok, guys, thanks for your pistes. I'll check how things work and what I can do, alone and learn :)
11:32<somiaj>awal: apt-get source just downloadds the source tar ball and extracts it in the current directory
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11:33<awal>somiaj: "current directory" is?
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11:34<awal>i just want to be sure and no make "damages" in my /
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11:35<somiaj>awal: known as the cwd, this is the directory you are in at the time you run the command
11:35<somiaj>type 'cwd' to see what it is
11:35<somiaj>nevermind, that is an ftp command
11:36<somiaj>sorry it is 'pwd'
11:36<somiaj>'print working direcotry'
11:37<awal>so apt will create that pwd dir auto , ehm?
11:37<somiaj>awal: no. you are currently located in some directory.
11:37<somiaj>awal: type 'pwd' to see what it is
11:38<somiaj>awal: this is usually $HOME, but you can of course 'change directory (cd)'
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11:38<awal>somiaj: right. pwd ---> /home/user
11:38<Remtrex>hey
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11:40<awal>somiaj: ok, that's fine so. downloads will be stored in /home. great, so :)
11:40<Remtrex>yo
11:40<somiaj>awal: They are put in what ever your cwd is. This can be changed easily. Pay attention to where you run commands.
11:41<awal>somiaj: ok, thanks
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11:42<awal>somiaj, mtn, thanks for your time
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13:39<awal>Apart deleting the dir or file of X pack in /home, is there a way, a general command applicable for all packages that purge config files of X pack without removing the X pack?
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13:57<w>hola
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13:58<Guest2423>hello
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14:13<deepblue>'E:you have held broken packages.'how to fix this?
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14:13<towo`>deepblue, to less info
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14:15<deepblue>before that i ran'apt-get install xine*'
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14:15<towo`>again, too less info
14:16<live>>server irc.chat.be
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14:34<apoc>hey. I'm on wheezy and require SSH from the backports. If I add the backports and install ssh using the backports, am I fine, or do I have to upgrade?
14:36<SynrGy>i don't understand your concern.
14:36<apoc>well ususally I would apt-get update not install
14:37<SynrGy>,v ssh
14:37<judd>Package: ssh on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; sid: 1:6.7p1-5; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5
14:37<apoc>so rephrased I could say - can I apt-get update using the backports?
14:37<SynrGy>no
14:37<SynrGy>not until you install something from it
14:38<apoc>so if I install ssh from the backports it won't conflict with the exisitng ssh on my server?
14:38<SynrGy>or are you saying "do i have to install each time to upgrade to the latest version in backports?"
14:38<SynrGy>that makes no sense.
14:38<SynrGy>you'll be replacing the existing ssh on your server with the new one
14:38<apoc>ah! thats it.. sorry for the confusion
14:39<apoc>thank you
14:39<SynrGy>backports are pinned so that nothing automatically upgrades you to the versions in backports
14:39<SynrGy>however, once you install a package from backports, you'll continue to receive upgraded versions of those same packages from backports if-and-when they become available
14:40<apoc>perfect! thank you very much!
14:40<SynrGy>np
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15:47<awal>Chromium users: is there any extension similar to 'noscript' for iceweasel you recommend?
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15:50<awal>I mean a noscript ext for chromium/chrome
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17:30<deepblue>how can i install php?
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18:19<catern>is there a good irc channel for asking for help on how to get started with packaging for debian?
18:20<devil>catern: #debian-mentors
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19:05<awal>Looking for a nice conky script, transparent, showing battery percentage, ram, cpu, wifi percentage and disk usage and disk usage. Can anyone share it's script (paste.debian.net) ?
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19:23<centrx>awal, eh?
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19:25<tima>soon release Debian8
19:26<awal>centrx: oups, forget it. default conf do that yet. I was using a stupid script I created and tought it's the default one
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19:30<centrx>awal, the conky defaults must have that
19:30<centrx>awal, I thought you were talking about conque, the vim pluging
19:30<centrx>plugin
19:30<awal>oh, no :)
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20:11<awal_>How to find to exact location of X file in /home and /?
20:15<Brigo>awal_, the exact location of a file? with locate or find may be?
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20:19<awal_>Brigo: locate do the job. thanks. I forgot that (locate). Too much commands and stuffs one have to memorize in gnu/linux
20:19<Brigo>awal_, right, too much :)
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20:20<Brigo>i am glad to be helpful
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20:20<awal_>:)
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20:38<Slumber>Hello
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20:42<converge>hi
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21:45<mrphs>whaaa no release party in SF?!
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22:37<sleser>was using brouser iceweasel today on another computer laptop whitch has debian stable on it . so inside the brouser i had something teling me that my computer has vonurability and also had an alarm like a carbon manoxide alarm like noise
22:37<sleser>not sure if it was bolshit add or popup it basicaly said i should contact virizon and fone number was there too
22:38<sleser>not sure what the problem is or if any one had this issue
22:38<sleser>also
22:39<sleser>and for me not to make any transactioins on this laptop also
22:39<sleser>looked like a real deal warning
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22:46<mopa>holaaaaaaaaa
22:48<awal_>Sleser: under debian, or any other gnu/linux system, your base system , your / partition can't be infected by malware, virus...unless you run an executable file, script with root permission. or without root permission and may harm you /home.... But yes, browsing the web you can get malware or something if you aren't secured
22:49<sleser>do i need some sort of antivirus or ?
22:49<sleser>i ran clamtk it havent found nothing
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22:50<sleser>any better security app out there ?
22:50<sleser>so like not to get infected from brousing
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22:51<awal_>probably, you should use extension's like adblok-plus, noscipt... for Iceweasel. They are useful and can make your browsing more secure. probably , you should use the one's available from debian repos not addons mozilla
22:52<awal_>clamtk is useful for check the files you send for windows/mac users
22:53<awal_>what you experimented may be just a popup window
22:53<sleser>how did it know i was using fios and to call virizon and # underneath
22:53<sleser>looked profetional
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22:54<sleser>and had an alarm to it also ive never seen something like that before
22:54<awal_>for start , I recommend you xul-ext-noscript
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22:54<sleser>found that cant find add block
22:55<awal_>and xul-ext-adblock-plus
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22:55<awal_>once you install them, configure them as you like
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22:55<sleser>thanks
22:56<sleser>got it settup
22:56<sleser>do i have to load it to iceweasel after finding it in apper ? or it does it all it self ?
22:57<awal_>install them and restart your iceweasel and configure them as you like if you want that
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23:00<awal_>xul-ext-wot is nice and popular one too. me i use it
23:02<sleser>when my computer was working slow some body just said to remove noscript that linux isnt afraid of all that
23:02<sleser>i had it before
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23:03<lids>sleser: I also recommended 'https everywhere' and 'betterprivacy'. Maybe your laptop is a Lenovo?
23:04<awal_>there is no a 100% secure system. your security depends on your habits, thats your best security solution
23:04<sleser>lenovo
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23:05<lids>ok. vulnerability check Superfish here: https://filippo.io/Badfish/
23:06<lids>it's recommended from eff
23:06<awal_>noscript dont slow your machine, insignificant ram and cpu percentage will be used but slow it no. allowing java scripts globaly is dangeruous
23:09<sleser>cant find https everywhere and better privacy in apper
23:10<awal_>slesr: xul-ext-https....and so
23:10<sleser>oh ok
23:12<awal_>sleser: apt-cache search xul-ext and find extensions you want
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23:13<awal_>don't use too much, too much ext's will slow your internet browsing and iceweasel or make it unbootable
23:15<sleser>ok
23:15<sleser>so far so good
23:15<sleser>i have to wait now and do the t hings ive done see if the same hapens
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23:17<lids>sleser: do you run the test for lenovo injection?
23:18<sleser>yeh nothing came up
23:18<sleser>no butons they asking were shown
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23:19<lids>did you 'temporary allow all this page' from 'noscript? if no you can't check
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23:19<lids>don't push any button
23:21<sleser>no i havent let me alow all the page again
23:22<lids>'Allow all this page' and wait 10 sec
23:22<sleser>it said good superfish is probably not intercepting your connections
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23:22<OldOneEye>i installed debian to usb stick and it didnt load
23:22<OldOneEye>stuck on loading operating system
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23:24<lids>sleser: good! lucky you are!
23:24<awal_>sleser: sometimes you want clear your browsing date. configure iceweasel for do that auto or install bleachbit and will do the job for you cleaning browsing data and more stuffs
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23:25<awal_>kde have sweeper and it's good, but bleachbit is more powerful
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23:26<lids>OldOneEye: bios --> boot from usb
23:26<OldOneEye>i did
23:26<awal_>you can run it as root, but be careful on what you check/unchek
23:26<OldOneEye>it took 6 hours to install
23:26<sleser>thanks for help
23:27<sleser>got all the useful tools
23:27<OldOneEye>i downloaded netinstall onto usb
23:27<awal_>probably "useful" yes...
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23:29<lids>for live dist follow: https://tails.boum.org/doc/first_steps/index.en.html
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23:37<awal_>sleser: in noscript prefernces you can change what is displayed when you click in noscript icon . I find more convenient to remove 'allow permanently' and leave just temporary...
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23:39<sleser>yeh i know that part
23:39<sleser>i had noscript before but i didnt nkow i was also supose to get the one from debian i had the one from mozila
23:40<sleser>problem fixed in terms switching from mozila to debian virsion adon
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23:55<sleser>id like to know if . lets say im watching flash videos . and doing update debian or doing something where needs sudo perfmition is that ok ?
23:55<sleser>while video is playing
23:55<sleser>or brousing at all while sudo
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