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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-04-19

---Logopened Sun Apr 19 00:00:36 2015
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00:04<awal_>sleser: do you have firewell enabled?
00:04<sleser>no
00:05<sleser>i never liked the firewall because its an obsticle
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00:06<SamB_laptop>sleser: hmm, well, I suppose an attacker who managed to subvert one of your processes might be able to start another sudo command on the terminal in question?
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00:06<awal_>you may want to do that. try ufw/gufw for manage your iptables
00:06<awal_>sleser
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00:07<sleser>well if i forget my debian password because some one opened an terminal changed my pw . ill just redo debian over
00:07<sleser>i was just consern about if serfing and sudoing was ok
00:07<sleser>or safe or not
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00:08<sleser>if i were an pawn shop maby yeh some one will try hack in . its just a regular home machine whitch sometimes gets iritating with all sorts of obsticles
00:09<SamB_laptop>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=701839 looks interesting ...
00:09<SamB_laptop>obviously been fixed for ages
00:11<sleser>so is it ok to sudo update debian real quik while serfing the web ? or sudo download an tool from apper while serfing web both same time ?
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00:12<SamB_laptop>but I'm not sure there's anything to prevent an attacker from calling ptrace() on, say, your not-root shell on the terminal in question and making it spawn another sudo ...
00:13<sleser>fine this isnt a bank
00:13<sleser>its a home pc
00:13<sleser>lol
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00:14<sleser>so bassicaly smb_laptop you dont recomend sudo while serfing web rite ?
00:15<SamB_laptop>I never really worry about it myself; I've never heard of any actual exploits for this
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00:15<SamB_laptop>then again I also don't tend to try to watch flash videos within five minutes of running sudo
00:16<SamB_laptop>(or all that often at all)
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00:16<sleser>np
00:16<sleser>its just i watch long videos . and i pause until after sudo and continue watching
00:17<sleser>why download a movie today when its all out there streaming
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00:17<SamB_laptop>are the sites in question really shifty?
00:17<sleser>im not sure about how their site is . as long as i can watch
00:17<sleser>i dont even care. if i can see it
00:18<sleser>says its all free
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00:23<sleser>smb_laptop if you understand in websites . with tools and if you care i can give you a site you can dig in to it
00:24<sleser>im not a programer to chek details of whats the point of streaming for free
00:24<sleser>their obviusly have a point or profit
00:24<sleser>not sure what is because . i dotn realy care its a empty bone computer
00:24<sleser>i see content . computer has no bank or pawn shop inside so thats why i obviusly dont care
00:25<sleser>nothing is realy free. i just neve dug in to the site details in programing wise
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01:55<Asiajey>what is minimal environment exept hardware one should have to build debian using only source packages ?
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02:04<somiaj>Asiajey: are you wanting to build everything from source? Usually debian packages need a debian build enviroment (standard gcc build enviorment plus debian packaging tools)
02:07<somiaj>Asiajey: but on a debian system, you can start with a minimial system (say debootstrap or minimial install) and add the build-essential packages and the build-deps for any package you want to build.
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02:15<Asiajey>somiaj: it is theoretical question, related to what binary we depend, also there is practical question - if I want to backport something as far as I know there is no recursive apt-get source, so if currect repository has no versions build-dep require, i will have to do all the things manual
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02:17<somiaj>Asiajey: that is my experience, there really isn't a ports like tool that will grab and build build-depends. As in debian provides tools for binary packages.
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02:18<somiaj>Asiajey: but from my understanding it is a chicken and the egg. In order to build debian packages you need a debian build enviroment which is installed from binary packages that then build the new packges.
02:18<somiaj>There may be ways to build from the ground up, but the tools are not made to do that.
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02:19<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial
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02:23<somiaj>Asiajey: Finding some discussion about this on google. Though seems you will need some system to build everything from.
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02:27<Asiajey>somiaj: Yes, that what I thinking of - need to create some "source" file which can be universal bootstrap for download and build opensource system, better if it will be little enough to fit in human memory :)
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04:11<xoxo>#/join debian-irc
04:14<xoxo>Can anyone tell me how to stop the beep sounds when I press a key too many times in a box? I'm on a x200 thinkpad. I already disabled all the beeps in bios.
04:17<xoxo>If I use "rmmod pcspkr" will it effect other sounds?
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04:22<[UP]Crystal>Hi everyone! Please advise what can I use for centralized package management ? I have many servers now and it's a headache to upgrade each one separately...
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04:26<crane>[UP]Crystal: there are many options for this, most commons are puppet and chef. newcommers are saltstack and ansible. i would prefer salt/ansible. both are written in python and are very powerful. my personal favorit is ansible. it does not requiere any client setup and runs everything over ssh
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04:26<[UP]Crystal>Great! Thanks a lot!
04:27<crane>np :)
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04:44<afx237>anyone have any suggestions for some type of cpanel-like control panel just for managing pop/imap email accounts (multiple domains) on a debian or ubuntu server? if it includes webmail and activesync that would be great too.
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04:53<crane>afx237: postfixadmin
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04:54<crane>hey, is it since wheezy still not possible to preseed localizations without building an own initrd iso?
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04:57<afx237>crane: thanks, will take a look
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05:09<luckyuser>HI
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05:54<ondrej_g>is there some simpler way to subscribe to bugs?
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06:03<babilen>ondrej_g: Simpler than what?
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06:04<ondrej_g>babilen: than sending and confirming emails to nnn-subscribe@ ...
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06:06<babilen>ondrej_g: You can use bts(1) -- http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bts&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+7.0+wheezy&format=html&locale=en
06:08<babilen>Ah, but not for subscribing. What's the issue with nnn-subscribe@... ?
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06:10<ondrej_g>babilen: just trying to find a faster way than sending, waiting for confirmation request, replying ... and it clutters the inbox ... I could solve that with a rule, but I wanted to ask first if there is a more systemic solution
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06:11<babilen>ondrej_g: Ask #debian-mentors, I just subscribed to some packages from qa and then via mail to specific bugs.
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06:16<ondrej_g>ok, thank you
06:17<ondrej_g>on a different note: what is the recommended DE agnostic USB automounting solution these days?
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08:52<rtyu>Hello I have a question : ¿Its possible to add more than one proxy to the apt.conf?
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09:12<dutchfish>rtyu, /etc/apt/conf file no longer exists (at least in testing), the configuration is now modular and the topic should be extended
09:12<dutchfish>specifically we are talking here about /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf file
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09:12<dutchfish>rtyu, but nothing holds you to configure your proxy, based on rules depending on url destination
09:13<dutchfish>rtyu, apt prefers one proxy
09:15<dutchfish>rtyu, Acquire::http::Proxy is still the keyword
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09:19<dutchfish>rtyu, apt has no mechanism for failover btw
09:19<dutchfish>rtyu, at least not for using a proxie
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10:32<zhanglong>hello everyone
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10:34<ckosloff>need portable usb scanner that will work on linux, sane website is driving me insane, do you know of one that you can recommend?
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11:35<goetz>Hi.
11:36<crab>Hi
11:36<goetz>are there already Jessie-Live-CDs?
11:36<goetz>can’t find one (not that I'm terribly successful in finding other non-mainstream-non-stable-stuff on the Debian website …)
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11:39<awal>goetz: all images are localizable in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/
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12:01<goetz>awal: ta …
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12:02<goetz>is there a secured channel available for downloads?
12:02<goetz>this is a http server
12:03<goetz>sure, there are SHAsums
12:03<goetz>but these are delivered by http, too …
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12:04<themill>goetz: the hash is cryptographically signed
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12:05<goetz>ah, there
12:05<goetz>themill: thanks. A bit complicated, though …
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12:07<themill>probably better than https and that's what allows you to trust torrents of the images
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12:28<finetundra>out of curiosity, is it possible to install lxqt on wheezy?
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12:47<awal>lxqt isn't present in debian repos yet, finetundra
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12:51<finetundra>awal, :(
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12:51<finetundra>awal, then is razor-qt useable for the time being?
12:52<awal> finetundra: razorqt yes. I tried it and works well
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12:53<finetundra>awal, did you install it via synaptic or terminal. If terminal what command did you use?
12:53<awal>lxqt still in development (upstream)
12:53<finetundra>awal, I meant razor-qt
12:54<awal>finetundra: apt-get update && apt-get install razorqt
12:55<awal>finetundra: that will install openbox too as recommend because most people run razorqt with openbox. but you can run it with any other WM that support razorqt
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12:57<finetundra>awal, ok.
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13:07<finetundra>awal, when I try to use the command you gave me with "sudo" it returns "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?"
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13:09<awal>finetundra: you must be root of course. For now try with 'sudo su' give root pass and the command I told you
13:10<awal>or just 'su' + pass
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13:11<awal>you can use synaptic too . refresh it the search 'razorqt' pack and install it
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13:11<finetundra>awal, probably easier since I don't have a root account
13:12<somiaj>awal: if he isn't able to lock dpkg, the front end won't matter
13:12<somiaj>finetundra: you always have a root account. 'sudo su -' will log you in as root.
13:12<somiaj>I think you can choose to not give it a password and make it a non-login user, but you still have a root account.
13:13<finetundra>somiaj, says "unable to locate package" :(
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13:14<somiaj>finetundra: what package are you tring to install (I started reading late, to lazy to read logs)
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13:14<finetundra>somiaj, razorqt
13:15<somiaj>,v razorqt
13:15<judd>Package: razorqt on i386 -- jessie: 0.5.2-4; sid: 0.5.2-4
13:15<somiaj>finetundra: it isn't in wheezy either it seems.
13:15<finetundra>somiaj, is there a way to add it?
13:15<awal>finetundra: oups, it's not in wheezy, sorry
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13:15<somiaj>,check-backport razorqt
13:15<judd>Backporting package razorqt in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libstatgrab-dev (>= 0.90) [linux-any].
13:16<finetundra>somiaj, um, what's that mean?
13:16<somiaj>finetundra: seems it may have a non-trival backport. So trying to backport the package (complie it for wheezy) will require complining some supporting libs as well.
13:16<somiaj>don't know how complicated it could be, but once wheezy doesn't satisify the build-depends of a package, backports can go from slighlty difficult to very difficult
13:17<finetundra>somiaj, so, what are my options? other than go with a different DE?
13:17<somiaj>finetundra: backport = newer software compiled to run on older libaries. Sometimes this is just a matter of compiling the software on wheezy with the wheezy libaries. Other times it requires backporting some libaries as well.
13:18<somiaj>finetundra: I don't know what razorqt is or what your over all goal is.
13:18<awal>finetundra: if you really want razorqt, jessie is pretty stable yet and it will be released in a few days it seems. you may want to upgrade to Jessie, if you want that
13:18<somiaj>finetundra: are you a desktop user? Are you planning on upgrading to jessie when it is released? As a desktop user can you forgo security fixes for maybe a month?
13:19<somiaj>awal: have they given the offical annoucnemnt. I hear this 25th date floating around but have yet to see anything offical.
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13:20<somiaj>seems there are still about 70 rc bugs left. It will be soon, but I thought they usually annouce the offical date about a week before it happens (maybe slightly less)
13:20<awal>somiaj: they said 25th, but jessie still affected by 66 bugs, so...
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13:21<awal>finetundra: what are you expecting to find in razorqt?
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13:21<finetundra>somiaj, I'm using this particular install as a remote desktop for multiple users. So in a sense yes it would be a desktop usage. Plus I'm a tad worried that running an upgrade could break things
13:22<somiaj>awal: who is this 'they'. I've heard that date, but have yet to see an offical annoucment. I think this was just a rough goal being talked about on the mailing lists, but I expect to see something on debian.org before the release.
13:22<finetundra>awal, I'm not quite sure what you mean
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13:22<awal>rasomiaj: yes mailing list talk, nothing official
13:23<somiaj>finetundra: Well you will have to upgrade within a year. But if you don't want to upgrade to jessie right now. What is it you need to do, maybe we can suggest alternative software
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13:24<finetundra>somiaj, get the very most out of the minimal specs of this machine
13:24<somiaj>finetundra: oh this is a whole desktop. Yea backporting is going to be hard. If you awnt this desktop jessie will be the way to go. Looks like it is just some things on top of openbox (or other favoirt wm).
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13:24<awal>finetundra: razorqt have nothing really special compared to other WM's. the only feature it have and almost all WM's dont have is that razorqt can restart and shutdown computer. but openbox also can do that now with 'obsession'
13:25<somiaj>finetundra: you could just install openbox and customize it yourself. Might be a bit more work but if you configure things you can probably get all the features you want from just installing openbox (or any other small wm you like)
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13:25<somiaj>it links a bunch of stuff together, less configuration but you'll have to be in jessie. If you take the time to configure the things you want, just install the copmonents you need like openbox + additional tools
13:26<finetundra>somiaj, you have a good point. and indeed it would be more work.
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13:27<somiaj>finetundra: As I said, you have about a year until wheezy looses support. Besides for security support jessie is almost ready to be released. You can take the time to upgrade now or install and configure software available in wheezy to suit your needs.
13:28<finetundra>somiaj, what are the odds that upgrading to jessie can/will break things?
13:28<awal>obsession is not in wheezy, but yes in jessie. openbox+ obsession' = a good, stable and lightweight choice, finetundra
13:28<somiaj>I expect the annoucment of the release to happen soon, and the release to happen about a week after. The time line is 'when it is ready', but dates are being thrown around to amke end of april start of may.
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13:28<somiaj>finetundra: that is a loaded question. Totally depends on your system, any thing you have done with it, how well you know how to fix small hicups, and make sure to read the release notes.
13:29<somiaj>finetundra: I'd like to say it should work fairly smoothly, but always backup and realize that it depends a lot on what you have done to the system.
13:29<somiaj>but with only using offical debian packages I would say it should work.
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13:30<finetundra_>somiaj, so if I were to only have packages that were in the debian repos I should be safe?
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13:32<somiaj>finetundra_: correct. Just backup, and read the release notes
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13:32<somiaj>finetundra_: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes -- there is a section on upgrading
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13:35<finetundra_>somiaj, what was that bit you were saying about security?
13:36<roniz>Will Debian use Systemd forever?
13:36<somiaj>finetundra_: until the offical release, jessie will not recive security support for known exploits.
13:37<somiaj>roniz: that is a loaded question. debian gives the choice to use either systemd or sysv-init. I am unsure of the goals in the next release, but I think debian is going to keep supporting both.
13:37<somiaj>roniz: as for forever, thigns will change, but at this point the jessie release will support both.
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13:38<finetundra_>somiaj, so basically I ought to be okay if all my packages are from offical repos right?
13:38<roniz>what about 'default'?
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13:43<somiaj>roniz: depends on how you define default. It is complete possible to not upgrade to systemd from wheez->jessie. The installer will install systemd, but after the isntall you can chroot into it and install sysv-init at that time.
13:43<roniz>ok
13:43<roniz>I dont like systemd
13:44<roniz>Debian should use OpenRC
13:44<somiaj>roniz: I'm unsure if the upgrade forces you to change to systemd, I though they changed it. But if you just upgrade the init system frist, you can control which one you upgrade to.
13:44<roniz>ok
13:44<awal>roniz: you can choose sysvinit instead of systemd if you want that in grub entries
13:44<roniz>I know :>
13:44<valdyn>upgrading will install the systemd-shim package
13:44<finetundra_>somiaj, how would one tell that they've been switched to systemd?
13:44<roniz>I was just wondering if the Debian project had any plans of moving away from systemd
13:45<somiaj>roniz: this has been debated to death. Debian has packages for openRC if you really want to use it, but it is not support as in packges may not be compadable with it and you'll have to do some extra work.
13:45<valdyn>roniz: no, there's no plans
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13:46<somiaj>finetundra_: pay attention to the packages that are upgraded. Look at the subtitiles during the boot. Over all as a desktop user, you may not even notice.
13:46<somiaj>finetundra_: my experience was siwtching to systemd was smooth and didnt' get in my way as a desktop user.
13:46<finetundra_>somiaj, ok.
13:48<valdyn>finetundra_: ideall you wont notice systemd except your system will boot faster
13:48<valdyn>*ideally*
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13:48<finetundra_>valdyn, how much faster? 10sec or so?
13:49<valdyn>finetundra_: that depends
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13:49<somiaj>but if you don't want to use systemd, make sure you install the sysvinit-core package before your upgrade. This will keep systemd from being pulled in (again I am unsure if the transitional packages force switching any more or don't -- I know they did but I heard talk of reverting that)
13:49<finetundra_>valdyn, on?
13:49<valdyn>finetundra_: in my experience its *alot* but the effect depends and it makes more difference on ssd
13:50<valdyn>finetundra_: on what exactly you have installed that is run / started at boot time
13:50<somiaj>yea I swithced to systemd about the same time I got my ssd, my post takes longer than boot
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13:51<valdyn>finetundra_: some things can be speed up by parallelising, which systemd does an extremely nice job at, some things can and no matter which init system you use, they just take their time
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13:54<finetundra_>valdyn, gotcha
13:56<finetundra_>so how long until security patches are released for jessie?
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13:57<valdyn>finetundra_: you know about any issues?
13:57<somiaj>finetundra_: as we said, soon...right now offical date is 'when it is ready'. There was lots of push for april25, but its looking like to me to be start of may.
13:58<finetundra_>valdyn, no not really
13:58<finetundra_>somiaj, so about a month?
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13:59<somiaj>finetundra_: I'm hoping less than that, but until an offical annoucment (about a week before offical release date) is made, it is only guessing
14:00<somiaj>though the annoucment can sometimes be fairly quick
14:02<finetundra_>somiaj, alright then
14:02<finetundra_>so i guess my question is really weather or not it'd be a good idea to go ahead and upgrade
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14:03<somiaj>finetundra_: personal choice here. As I said you will have to in the next year. Now is about as good of time as any if you are going to spend time configuring the system anyways.
14:04<valdyn>finetundra_: why do you want to upgrade?
14:04<somiaj>valdyn: he wants razorqt desktop.
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14:04<somiaj>so other option is install openbox plus any additional features you need and make your own destkop.
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14:05<finetundra_>valdyn;soiaj, not just that but there's newer versions of the softwares I use and I'm hoping that there'd be improvements
14:05<finetundra_>gahh, somiaj
14:05<valdyn>finetundra_: in a month, people in here will know more about common upgrade issues
14:05<valdyn>finetundra_: but even that is probably not going to change it significantly
14:05<somiaj>finetundra_: I'm just giving you your options, choice is yours.
14:06<finetundra_>right then
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14:26<Dyson>Hello
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14:27<SynrG>!ask
14:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:28<Dyson>!ask
14:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:28<SynrG>that's unnecessary
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14:28<Dyson>Just figuring my way around irc, im relatively new
14:28<SynrG>ah. do you have a debian support question?
14:28<Dyson>Yessir
14:29<SynrG>the bot is there to help communicate between helpers and the helpee. if you have a question to ask the bot for your own information, /msg the bot privately
14:29<Dyson>Dank Je
14:30<SynrG>e.g. for more information about dpkg bot itself: /msg dpkg dpkgbot
14:31<Dyson>So
14:31<Dyson>msg debhelper
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14:33<SynrG>well, debhelper is not an infobot, so that won't help you
14:33<SynrG>Dyson: what's your debian support question, then?
14:35<Dyson>Sorry was AFK
14:35<Dyson>Well
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14:36<Dyson>I want to install Debian onto a flash drive, but I want to full install, and I also want it to be multiarchitectural, so that I can plug it in any machine and boot from it
14:36<Dyson>:?
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14:38<SynrG>by "any" you mean, even a system with a 32-bit processor?
14:38<SynrG>if so, you want to install the i386 architecture
14:39<Dyson>32 or 64 Is more what I was thinking
14:39<SynrG>that will work on both 32-bit and 64-bit processors.
14:39<SynrG>albeit somewhat less efficiently than otherwise possible on the 64
14:40<SynrG>one of the problems with "plug it into any machine" is a certain amount of autoconfiguration that goes on, and persists.
14:40<SynrG>so, for example, the ethernet, wifi, optical drives will be autoconfigured via udev for each machine you plug the USB into ... this may cause you some confusion over time.
14:41<SynrG>that's why live images are popular for this use case.
14:41<SynrG>the autoconfiguration that occurs for the live image is only retained for the current boot, and is then discarded, along with other changes made during the live session.
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14:44<SynrG>some combination of approaches could address these issues, but takes some effort to set up: build a custom live i386 image, include 486, 686-pae and amd64 kernels on it, and configure it to use persistence for the /home directory or so
14:44<SynrG>depends on what kind of uses you imagine this image will have.
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14:50<Dyson>Sorry, I have to go to the doctors
14:50<Dyson>I will be back
14:50<SynrG>later
14:50<Dyson>Also, b4 I go, i dont want to use live
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14:51<Dyson>I can use VM to install to usb
14:51<Dyson>gtg
14:51<SynrG>very well. just be aware of the udev persistence thing then
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14:52<somiaj>Dyson: live + persistance will get better preformance than install on usb on many systems.
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15:08<dailysrl>Hi. I have a gv-usb2 capture card that I use to capture footage from a Gamecube. It is not recognized by either VLC or OBS. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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15:11<dewp>hellohello. i upgraded to jessie on my ibook g4 but one package (a game) is not yet available
15:12<dewp>is it safe to go like this: change repo back to wheezy, install, change back?
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15:15<rudi_s>dewp: Depends. If there are no conflicting packages, then yes, this can work. If you get conflicts, you've got a problem.
15:15<awal>dewp: you can go from stable (wheezy) ---> testing (jessie) ---> unstable (sid) but reverse process isn't supported in debian
15:15<mtn>dewp: not safe. but you could try manually downloading the file and trying to install it
15:15<rudi_s>dewp: Did you check if the game is in sid?
15:15<rudi_s>If so, you could easily "backport" (= install) it now to jessie.
15:16<mtn>dewp: you can get them from http://packages.debian.org
15:16<awal>dewp: you can try, but goooood luck
15:16<dewp>haha :-) ok no i'd love to go the save way
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15:17<dewp>it's not in sid. i think its not maintained anymore for power pc
15:17<dewp>(its openbve, train simulator :-)
15:17<rudi_s>dewp: But you could try adding the wheezy repository to your sources.list, then apt-get update and then try to install it. If there are conflicts, then it's not that easy.
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15:17<rudi_s>dewp: Hm. It is in sid on amd64.
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15:19<dewp>ah :-)
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15:19<rudi_s>It depends on mono which seems to be in powerpc as well.
15:20<awal>conflict will be for sure. rudi_s, dont make it too easy. if he point his sources list to whezzy again he will get, for sure, a broken system if any major wheezy upgrades
15:20<rudi_s>awal: Depends on the package ..
15:21<rudi_s>dewp: You could try to install it from sid. But be careful not to pull too many packages from sid into your system.
15:21<awal>he said he upgraded his debian from wheezy to jessie
15:21<awal>so the whole system I understood
15:21<dewp>yes, it run with software acceleration on wheezy. i updated to jessie in hope of hardware accelleration. but it was not the fault of wheezy but a bug in mesa driver. i had to set defaultdepth to 16bit and now its working
15:21<dewp>i'm also contemplating of going back to wheezy and fix the mesa stuff there...
15:21<rudi_s>dewp: Add "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to your apt/sources.list, apt-get update and then apt-get install openbve and see what happens. If it tries to install many packages or remove existing ones, be careful.
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15:22<dewp>okay!
15:22<rudi_s>Better report the bugs and help the maintainers to fix them. You can't stay on wheezy forever.
15:22<rudi_s>(And don't forget to remove that line after the update.)
15:22<awal>dewp: you are in jessie. jessie will be soon stable. mixing stable with unstable is really not recommended!!!
15:22<dailysrl>Here is a copy of my output of lsusb. The capture card in this case is definitely the "04bb:0532 I-O Data Device, Inc."
15:22<dailysrl>http://pastebin.com/VMBUZChe
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15:23<dewp>jessie itself is very perfect for my ibook g4 with xfce btw. great that these old devices are still in focus of developers
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15:24<awal>dewp: if you want a stable system you can run stable branch and get packs from backports, but mix stable with testing or unstable (sid) is dangerous. you will no notice that right now, but yes in few weeks...
15:25<dewp>okay i see
15:25<dewp>thanks :-)
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15:27<rudi_s>dewp: What awal says is true if you mix important system packages from stable/unstable. But installing a single package (like openbve) from sid will work just fine (if it works).
15:27<rudi_s>Just be careful not to change stuff which is in use by many other programs, like libc or similar.
15:27<dewp>that makes totally sense and i really do not want to replace system related stuff
15:27<awal>!tell dewp about frankendebian
15:27<somiaj>and most packages depend on system stuff (such as libc6)
15:27<dewp>its just my hobby laptop for "deceleration" of the daily terror :)
15:28<rudi_s>dewp: Just be careful when you temporarily add sid to your apt/sources.list as it can happeny quite easily. Read the output from apt-get install carefully before installing anything.
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15:29<dewp>okay - i just did. just one dependency (opengl3.0 stuff)
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15:29<rudi_s>Give it a try.
15:29<dewp>so - i'm risking it. thanks for pointing me to sid - as a hobbyist i never tried this repo
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15:30<dewp>lol awal, frankendebian, great
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15:31<awal>dewp: you can ask dpkg for almost every thing
15:31<devil>dewp: mind that now, in the freeze, sid isd very tame. after release hell might break loose
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15:31<devil>-d
15:31<dewp>haha, okay (this being told by devil... i'm immediately removing it :----)
15:32<awal>dewp: dpkg is really a funny bot
15:32<devil>dewp: I have been using nothing but sid for more than a decade. with a bit of knowledge it works fine
15:33<awal>yesterday I was bored and was playing with dpkg. I asked him about love and he said:
15:33<dewp>i definitely love tinkering around with linux, maybe giving it a try later
15:33<awal>!love
15:33<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
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15:33<dewp>lol!
15:33<awal>sorry room, if flooding :)
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15:34<dewp>lets see if it works. if system is crashing: see you soon ;-)
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15:36<awal>Talking about dpkg, who wrote all the answerse that dpkg gives?
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15:37<dewp>SDL failed to initialize the video subsystem... damn :-) some dependencies missing. but afaik i have all necessary SDL stuff
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15:42<student>tsr
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15:46<valdyn>!factinfo love
15:46<dpkg>love -- last modified at Fri Mar 19 13:10:18 2004 by idnarhtim!mithy@rrba-191-35.telkomadsl.co.za; it has been requested 359 times, last by awal, 12m 14s ago.
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15:48<awal>oh, so old the definition
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15:48<musca>there are some weird factoids left over from the old days
15:49<awal>right
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15:49<awal>sorry guys, but I found this very funny. sorry bothering . Last one
15:49<awal>!sex
15:49<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
15:50<goetz>g’Night
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15:50<babilen>That's so very old … and could you play with the bot in private (or -offtopic at least), awal?
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15:51<awal>I apologize I said. sorry!
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16:05<Dyson>SynrG
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16:25<dewp>can i somehow avoid the listing of -dbg and -dev packages?
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16:29<dewp>in packet search results :)
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16:30<abrotman>grep ?
16:32<dewp>to be honest i use synaptic quite often when i dont know the exact name :)
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16:51<dewp>good night, thanks for your help today!
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16:52<xa>i'm on jessie /gnome with the WARNING **: STACK_OP_RAISE_ABOVE: window 0x6301200019 not in stack issue; aka #776018. anyone having solved this ? ty
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16:55<vale>server irc://irc.oltreirc.net/
16:56<jelly>vale: no spam advertising in here, please
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17:47<DarkUranium>hey guys
17:47<DarkUranium>how could I debug audio issues in my Wheezy install?
17:47<DarkUranium>apart from the beeps, I'm not getting any sound.
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18:02<musca>hello DarkUranium
18:02<DarkUranium>hi musca
18:02<musca>you do have speakers on your system?
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18:03<DarkUranium>musca, of course; it's a laptop, FWIW
18:03<DarkUranium>but sound doesn't work with headphones, either.
18:03<DarkUranium>except the beeps.
18:03<DarkUranium>(which are played through said headphones, if they're plugged in)
18:03<DarkUranium>(so it's not a separate internal speaker)
18:03<DarkUranium>speaker/buzzer
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18:20<musca>DarkUranium: sorry, got distracted
18:20<musca>DarkUranium: you are using ALSA
18:20<musca>!alsa
18:20<dpkg>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
18:21<averytho_>Anyone have an example command to do the following "Take todays date in standard time MM-DD-YYYY .zip file and subtract 5 days then delete it"
18:21<DarkUranium>musca, what about it?
18:21<musca>!alsa-checklist
18:21<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
18:21<DarkUranium>musca, and I know pulseaudio is a two-parter, which part do I have to remove to remove PA?
18:22<musca>DarkUranium: you don'T need to remove PA, first find out the issue
18:22<DarkUranium>I want to remove PA.
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18:22<DarkUranium>had a computer in the living room where audio suddenly stopped working
18:23<DarkUranium>turns out an update installed PA behind my back ... one uninstall and reboot later, it worked *perfectly*
18:23<DarkUranium>anyways, 5) doesn't work
18:23<DarkUranium>"ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1022:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave"
18:24<DarkUranium>followed by an audio open error (no such file or directlry)
18:24<DarkUranium>directory*
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18:42<DarkUranium>musca, so uh ... ideas?
18:42<musca>hmm
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18:46<musca>DarkUranium: did your sound ever work before or is this a fresh install of wheezy?
18:46<DarkUranium>fresh
18:47<musca>ok
18:47<DarkUranium>though beeps have stopped working, too, as of last week, and I haven't done *anything* O_o
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18:48<musca>please look at /proc/asound/cards
18:49<musca>you can upload it with: pastebinit -b paste.debian.net /proc/asound/cards
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18:50<DarkUranium>empty
18:50<DarkUranium>it's empty
18:50<musca>oh
18:50<DarkUranium>wait
18:50<DarkUranium>no it's not
18:50<DarkUranium>wtf
18:50<DarkUranium>file said it's empty, cat shows 2 cards lol
18:50<DarkUranium>sec.
18:50<musca>pastebinit -b paste.debian.net /proc/asound/cards
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18:51<DarkUranium>I don't have pastebinit, so I'm gonna put it on vpaste
18:52<musca>DarkUranium: proc is a virtual filesystem to present information from the kernel in a hierarchical form
18:52<musca>not real files
18:52<DarkUranium>I know
18:52<DarkUranium>http://vpaste.net/KaHOE
18:52<DarkUranium>but it's weird that `file` thought it was empty
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18:53<musca>ok, i think your problem is the wrong default.
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18:54<DarkUranium>is there any way to output sound to all devices at once?
18:54<centrx>pulseaudio?
18:54<DarkUranium>no, not pulse
18:54<DarkUranium>I'm not touching that with a 11ft pole
18:54<musca>you want the PCH as default, and pulseaudio is a good way to control such
18:54<musca>ok
18:55<DarkUranium>I had that config in some old debian version (Debian Squeeze, but that option got changed without warning sometime in the middle of that release)
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18:55<DarkUranium>no pulse at any point
18:55<DarkUranium>s/got changed/disappeared/
18:55<DarkUranium>well, it wasn't much of an option, as it was the default behaviour
18:55<DarkUranium>musca, anyways, how could I at least change the default then?
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18:57<musca>DarkUranium: let me inform you, i went back to the beginning of our conversation, clicked on http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA and read the troubleshooting section
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18:58<DarkUranium>well, I didn't find that page somehow
18:58<DarkUranium>and I did look.
18:59<DarkUranium>musca, FWIW, I'm pretty sure both of my devices are from the same driver, so I can't just swap those
18:59<DarkUranium>and I don't have a asound.conf, so I gotta figure out the structure first.
18:59<musca>hmm, good point
19:00<DarkUranium>reading this now (was linked from the previous page): http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards
19:00<DarkUranium>it would've helped if the links in the contents worked -_-
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19:03<DarkUranium>musca, my `default` PCM is the PCH one, not the HDMI one ...
19:04<DarkUranium>musca, also, I can't get anything to play with `aplay -D $NAME /path/to/file.wav`, either
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19:07<DarkUranium>nvm, there are two defaults
19:08<musca>DarkUranium: ?
19:09<DarkUranium>eh, I got confused, default *IS* PCH, musca
19:09<DarkUranium>musca, I could play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav, once ...
19:09<DarkUranium>... and exactly once.
19:10<DarkUranium>that's using -D 'default:PCH'
19:10<DarkUranium>won't work on 2nd attempt, though
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19:12<musca>sorry - no idea. and it's bedtime for me.
19:13<DarkUranium>=|
19:13<DarkUranium>anyone else?
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19:21<frictionfire>i use linux to see ipcam feeds
19:21<frictionfire>no logs in
19:22<frictionfire>i have 12 cams in toilet room wall
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20:09<Katy>so if /etc/init.d/networking restart isnt the way to go
20:09<Katy>what is, short of restarting
20:13<fantasma>Katy: Usage: /etc/init.d/networking {start|stop|reload|restart|force-reload}
20:13<dvs>ifdown/ifup
20:13<Katy>dvs will that kill my connections though
20:14<dvs>it should
20:14<Katy>guess that's the only way then?
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20:27<Katy>╙─╴wowaname # ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
20:27<Katy>ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
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20:38<Brigo>Katy, what's the problem?
20:39<Katy>i edited /etc/network/interfaces
20:39<Katy>and i would like to reload changes
20:39<Katy>but this is a server so i would like to avoid disconnecting anything if possible
20:40<Brigo>Katy, i cannot see how you could change network configuration without lost connection.
20:40<Katy>ok
20:40<Brigo>what are you changing?
20:40<Katy>i have multiple ipv6 addresses and wanted to put those in
20:40<Katy>so i could bind to them
20:41<Brigo>you can add ips to a interface using ifconfig (deprecated) or ip commands, without lost connection.
20:41<Katy>oh ok
20:42<Katy>is there any documentation on that specifically or would i just have to read the man pages
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20:42<Brigo>Katy, ask google :)
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20:43<Brigo>but adding ips is simple, iirc :)
20:43<Brigo>for example ifconfig <interface> <new-ip-to-add> up
20:43<Brigo>or so.
20:44<Katy>yeah i think i have ip
20:44<Katy>╓ Katy@weechat
20:44<Katy>╙─╴ $ whereis ifconfig
20:44<Katy>ifconfig: /sbin/ifconfig /usr/share/man/man8/ifconfig.8.gz
20:44<Katy>oh i have both
20:45<Brigo>yes, ifconfig is the old way, you better learn how to use ip command, more powerful :)
20:45<Brigo>i am used to ifconfig since a long time, so i am still stick with it
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20:49<Katy>Brigo thanks that worked
20:49<Katy>(i used the ip command)
20:49<Katy>http://www.garron.me/en/linux/add-secondary-ip-linux.html
20:49<Brigo>Katy, good for you :)
20:49<Katy>:3
20:49<Katy>i love my rdns lol
20:49<Brigo>Katy, you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces to make the changes at boot time.
20:49<Katy>oh ok
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20:50<Katy>done
20:54<Katy>now i can show off my ip on anonops lol
20:54<Katy>they dont do host resolution
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21:42<canaima>na
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21:55<rtyu>thanks , bye
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22:49<jathan>Hello Debian Channel. Does someone know why SILC packages for Pidgin and irssi are not included in repositories since Debian Wheezy please?
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22:52<jathan>As the silc-client http://silcnet.org/ also is not possible to install through compilation with make in Debian Wheezy.
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22:53<jathan>Can someone give some reference at least please?
22:54<jathan>At the moment I only have found this article from RiseUp https://we.riseup.net/riseup+tech/problems-with-silc
22:55<jpleau>jathan: I'm not sure why it got removed, but the article explains it nicely I think. What problems do you face when trying to compile with 'make' ?
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22:57<jathan>Thanks jplau. The problems are related dependent packages.
22:58<jpleau>Can you paste the problems you are getting? http://paste.debian.net
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22:59<jathan>Ok
23:01<jathan>Oh sorry, I mean in Debian Jessie with 64 architecture
23:01<jathan>In Wheezy I have not tried.
23:01<jathan>Paste is done
23:02<jathan>I got confused refering the versions.
23:02<jathan>http://paste.debian.net/167723
23:03<jathan>This is the link of the output
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23:04<jpleau>jathan: install this package: libglib2.0-dev
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23:06<jpleau>jathan: when building software manually you want to make sure you have the libraries installed beforehand, and on Debian systems the development headers (required for building) are usually in a separate -dev package
23:08<jathan>Thank you very much jplau. After install libglib2.0-dev I excuted again ./configure, make and make install and all finished well
23:08<jathan>Thanks for the info abput libraries and dev
23:08<gsimmons>jathan: SILC removal requests - relating to the pidgin and irssi packages - can be found in Debian bugs 629222 and 638610 respectively (e.g. /msg judd bug 629222). silc-client and silc-toolkit were orphaned in Debian at the time.
23:09<jpleau>the error message was explicit on what was missing, sometimes you can just google it and find an answer for either debian or ubuntu
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23:10<jathan>gsimmons: Oh, fine. Thanks you very much for the reference :)
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23:11<jathan>jplau: Yes, I did the search in DuckDuckGo and Google but there are very poor results about SILC nowadays.
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23:13<jpleau>jathan: you don't search for SILC, you'd look for "checking for GLIB - version >= 2.6.0... no"
23:13<jpleau>jathan: the first result is a debian result for me ;)
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23:16<jathan>jplau: You are right. I did with a wrong value the search looking for SILC in Debian as priority instead of checking for GLIB - version >= 2.6.0... no
23:17<jathan>Thank you.
23:17<jathan>Searching for the Debian bugs 629222 and 638610 in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;include=subject%3A629222;dist=stable;package=629222
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23:18<jathan>I had not the desired content.
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23:19<jpleau>jathan: did you type the command gsimmons gave you? The bot will give you a working link.
23:20<jathan>No, I only typed the number. Sorry.
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23:22<albatross>hi
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23:27<trix>is this a help channel?
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23:28<jathan>I achieved finally. I found both bugs pages :) Thanks to all.
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23:28<trix>I encrypted Wheezy with veracrypt with the wrong files system. Now when it boots it goes to grub resuce and says unknown file system. How can I fix this?
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23:46<topcyde>trix:how so you think you encrypted it wrong?
23:46<topcyde>so -> do
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23:50<cloud>ubuntu
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