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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-04-21

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00:10<kay>hi, where do I go to talk about package management related issues?
00:10<kay>mostly from the perspective of wanting to contribute to package deevelopment, in this case, for exim4
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00:15<themill>kay: the exim maintainer mailing list is probably the best place.
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00:16<kay>okay, I subscribed to the"user" mailing list but i will subscribe to devel, thanks
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00:18<themill>that's pkg-exim4-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org btw
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00:27<kay>thx
00:30<SamB_laptop>kay: we also have #debian-mentors for help with Debian packaging in general
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01:47<sleser>has anyone ever used teamviewer on windows ?
01:47<sleser>id like to hav ethe same app for linux
01:48<sleser>id like to use some ones computer over my internet
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01:49<sleser>is there sutch thing for linux ?
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01:51<sleser>one of my family member dosnt knows how to use the computer good . alot of the time they call me and until i dont see their screen i cant help
01:51<sleser>other computer is debian weezy also
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01:52<jm_>vnc is the simplest method
01:52<sleser>i just want them to watch what im doing on the screen
01:52<lala>remote desktops maybe?
01:52<sleser>is that with interface ? or all terminal work ?
01:52<lala>you can find software for that
01:52<sleser>what do i exactly need ?
01:53<sleser>so i have a interface because i my self not so profetional with terminal
01:53<lala>check out "remmina" in the package manager
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01:54<sleser>other computer needs it also ?
01:54<lala>yes
01:54<sleser>i gona chek it out
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01:56<sleser>thanks for help guys
01:56<lala>no problem
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02:18<sleser>what is the diference between apper and synaptic ?
02:18<sleser>the reasoni ask is because . synaptic finds me things whitch apper cant
02:18<sleser>not sure why or the diference
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03:09<elumbella>Hello again. I have trouble connecting to wireless networks since the last update. It says that the password is incorrect which it isn't. If I connect to an open network, it disconnects after a few seconds. If you tell me what to post, I can provide you with logs.
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04:04<elumbella>[09:09] (elumbella) Hello again. I have trouble connecting to wireless networks since the last update. It says that the password is incorrect which it isn't. If I connect to an open network, it disconnects after a few seconds. If you tell me what to post, I can provide you with logs.
04:05<elumbella>Anyone?
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06:14<EmleyMoor>Anyone know if a Speedlink Strike USB gamepad will work OK on a Debian system?
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06:21<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... reportedly works out of the box - not that I'm surprised... just not into wasting money.
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06:44<Guest2678>i be here
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06:44<musca>hello Guest2678
06:45<Guest2678>hi
06:45<Guest2678>this is my first
06:45<musca>/nick yournewnickname
06:45<Guest2678>time use xchat
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07:35<saeia2>so ssh into a brand new broken install
07:35<saeia2>?
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08:24<jonadupio>Hi. I try to handle network interfarce from a package I built. How can I do without warning from the installer?
08:24<jonadupio>-interfarce +interface
08:24<admin2>hi
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08:28<somiaj>jonadupio: what do you mean? What are you trying to do with the interface with your package?
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08:29<jonadupio>@somiaj I want my package change /etc/network/interfaces
08:29<jonadupio>@somiaj with
08:29<somiaj>jonadupio: for what goal?
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08:30<jonadupio>@somiaj this: https://github.com/optiflows/tentacool#configuration
08:30<somiaj>jonadupio: what if the person who installs said package uses network-manager or wicd. What if they have a very custom interface configuration? Will you be able to deal with that?
08:30<jonadupio>@somiaj at this time, I have to change the file by myself
08:31<admin2>hola tengo un problema con un archivo encriptado quisiera saver que tipo de encryptacion tiene o como saver que lenguaje de programacion contiene
08:31<admin2>hello I have a problem with an encrypted file that would saver type or Encryption Key has saver that contains programming language
08:31<somiaj>jonadupio: what if the default interface on the system is eth1 and not eth0?
08:32<jonadupio>@somiaj it's a good question, maybe list the interfaces before editing any files
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08:33<somiaj>jonadupio: in general I don't think you want the package to do this automatically. I think there are to many things to worry about on different systems. But if this is a local package that others will not use do what you want. Have you tried adding the info in the postinst script?
08:33<xxcorpionsxx>hello I have a problem with an encrypted file that would saver type or Encryption Key has saver that contains programming language
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08:34<somiaj>xxcorpionsxx: please do not spam your question over and over. It was seen the first time. If someoen familar with your question has any input they will answer.
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08:34<blast007>xxcorpionsxx: can you explain the problem? and what is a "saver type"?
08:34<somiaj>xxcorpionsxx: you can try to ask again in a few hours when another group of people may be present.
08:34<jonadupio>@somiaj in fact, this project is a part of a global internal project. So yes, I know the environment, like "only one interface, eth0" and fully automated installation
08:35<somiaj>jonadupio: well if the person who installs the package uses network-manager you just broke their configuration and next time they boot up network manager wont' manage the interface any more.
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08:36<PaulePanter>Hi. In Debian Jessie, why does the following fail?
08:36<somiaj>jonadupio: I think the policy for stuff like this is to tell the user to configure their network after the package is installed. I personally don't know the best approach to your problem. You may get some better help in #debian-mentors.
08:36<blast007>he said it's an internal project
08:36<PaulePanter>adduser --shell /usr/sbin/nologin --home /sftp --group sftpusers testuser
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08:36<PaulePanter>adduser: Specify only one name in this mode.
08:36<jonadupio>@somiaj thanks to you
08:37<somiaj>jonadupio: but you can do what ever you want in the post-install script. Another option may be look at some remote config tool (like puppet) if you need this configuration of the interfaces to hit multiple machines and not have it be in the package.
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08:38<blast007>jonadupio: perhaps you'd be better off using a preseed file to automate the install of your systems along with the appropriate network configuration settings? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/example-preseed.txt
08:38<xxcorpionsxx>blast007:My problem comes with a .csc file also can be compiled into .xcs is a readable file in binary hexadecimal i have mad nose como me unpack it into a programming language understandable saver i would like some debugger or descompiler to remove it i sorry for asking 2 times and for my bad English
08:39<jonadupio>thanks @blast007
08:39<jonadupio>@blast007 It's a alternative way, but I'll keep in mind.
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08:41<blast007>xxcorpionsxx: okay, sorry, not familar with either of those file extensions
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08:42<xxcorpionsxx>blast007:good many thanks trying seguire
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08:48<xxcorpionsxx>well my question as I install a downloaded package I have soi new terminal in linux parrotOS. i do not understand install the package
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08:53<blast007>xxcorpionsxx: in that case, you'd have to ask in the support channel or forum for Parrot OS. We only support Debian here.
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08:58<xxcorpionsxx>but this OS is debian I think but hey thank you very much for the help
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08:59<blast007>but you said Parrot OS, which may be based on Debian, but it wouldn't be Debian
08:59<ixi>!based on debian
08:59<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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11:52<horror404>hi
11:52<horror404>anybody can help me?
11:53<blast007>maybe, if you tell us what your question is
11:53<horror404>hohoh right!
11:54<horror404>how install warzone2100 on debian 7.8?
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11:56<blast007>horror404: doesn't seem to be packaged for Debian unless I'm not searching right, but you can go through this guide: http://developer.wz2100.net/wiki/CompileGuideLinux
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11:58<horror404>u.u doesn't work!
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12:00<blast007>horror404: they do have IRC channels on Freenode (a different IRC network) that may be able to assist with the compile
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12:17<ixi>,v warzone2100
12:17<judd>Package: warzone2100 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.3.4-1; jessie: 3.1.1-1; sid: 3.1.1-1
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12:18<ixi>horror404 it is available in jessie and sid
12:18<horror404>u.u
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12:45<blast007>ixi: ah, that'd be why I wasn't finding it. I was searching on my Wheezy box. :)
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13:31<smemsh>hello, i am confused about naming convention for kernel. i have package linux-image-amd64 with apparent version 3.16+63, but then also there is linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 with version 3.16.7-ckt9-2 ? how can kernel 3.16.0 have version 3.16.7 ? and why does this differ from 3.16+63 ?
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13:33<smemsh>it's very strange, any time i upgrade kernel, it retains the same bootloader entry (grub-legacy in my case) and the old kernel disappears, but name stays 3.16.0-4 in grub, and everything works, it boots into new kernel. i am very confused by these names
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13:35<jelly>!kernel abi
13:35<dpkg>Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges
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13:36<jelly>smemsh: linux-image-amd64 isn't a kernel package at all, but a metapackage used to tell the system you always want the latest and greatest amd64 kernel available
13:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 738] by debhelper
13:39<smemsh>jelly: ok, disregarding linux-image-amd64, why on upgrade of my kernel is it using the same version name then? for example `uname -r` output is identical, so the modules all get replaced by a kernel upgrade, there is no way to revert. i just upgraded my kernel and it broke chromium, but there is no way to revert
13:40<smemsh>jelly: uname -m is different from the old kernel, but uname -r is the same, so everything gets overwritten, there is no way to go back to the working kernel
13:41<smemsh>jelly: sorry, i meant uname -v is different
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13:43<smemsh>jelly: it is definitely a new kernel despite uname -r being the same, it has reproducible kernel bug (kernel oops in dmesg), and now every time i start chromium, it hangs completely and have to pkill -KILL chromium
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13:44<Ezequiel>?
13:45<Ezequiel>Puro
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13:45<smemsh>jelly: how to revert to old kernel? and why did kernel upgrade wipe old kernel? it uses exact same name /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 and initrd and modules dir so old one is completely gone despite it being a different kernel
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13:47<smemsh>shouldn't it use /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.7-ckt9-2 instead of /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 ? this seems wrong
13:48<smemsh>in fact uname -r itself should probably be 3.16.7-ckt9-2-amd, not 3.16.0-4-amd64, this does not get changed for new kernel releases!
13:50<finetundra>is it safe to add ppa's?
13:51<LtL>finetundra: no it is not
13:51<finetundra>LtL, will it ever be?
13:51<retrospectacus>finetundra: what do you want to do?
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13:51<LtL>finetundra: highly doubtful
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13:52<finetundra>retrospectacus, add an icon pack
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13:55<blast007>!tell finetundra_ about ppa
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13:55<blast007>!tell finetundra_ about why not use a ppa
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13:58<smemsh>i will submit bug then, thanks
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14:01<emilio>can anybody help to me with dsn from smtp
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14:16<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:20<claw_>whats wrong with openvpn and systemd on jessie ?
14:21<claw_>the service start nothing it also logs nothing
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14:22<claw_>running "openvpn /etc/openvpn/foo.conf" is just fine
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14:25<Brigo>claw_, what is the output of systemctl status openvpn.service?
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14:25<claw_>http://paste.triple6.org/ePF53A
14:26<claw_>i already was wondering why it start /bin/true
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14:27<Brigo>claw_, it is a progarm which does nothing and return success.
14:27<claw_>yes i know
14:27<Brigo>try to paste the output of systemctl cat ssh.service.
14:28<Brigo>so we can see the systemd unit configuration.
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14:29<claw_>paste.triple6.org/AQl5dw
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14:29<Brigo>claw_, i fount it, i have the package installed.
14:29<claw_>http://paste.triple6.org/AQl5dw
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14:30<Brigo>i can see the sense in those /bin/true output :-m
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14:31<claw_>any ideas ?
14:31<blast007>there is also a 'openvpn@.service' file that seems to run the actual openvpn daemon
14:32<claw_>yes but i cant start it
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14:33<Brigo>claw_, i think it is not intended to start openvpn by default, you have to configure it in /etc/default/openvpn
14:34<claw_>i did
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14:34<claw_>with the AUTOSTART= key
14:34<Brigo>claw_, i think it is because you can launch it in other files like /etc/network/interfaces.
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14:36<claw_>meeeh this was working fine without systemd
14:36<Brigo>claw_, did you have some openvpn@VPN_NAME service running?
14:37<claw_>Brigo: you just got it
14:37<claw_>looks like @VPN_NAME referes to the file name in /etc/openvpn/@VPN_NAME.conf
14:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 745] by debhelper
14:38<claw_>so systemctl start openvpn@VPN_NAME works
14:38<claw_>where did you find that info ?
14:38<Brigo>from the README.Debian.gz :)
14:38<claw_>well yes thats alway a good place to get help :P sorry about that
14:39<Brigo>claw_, that is good for me to know too, so thanks you :D
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14:40<claw_>they are disabled by default ofcorse
14:40<claw_>so we have to 'systemctl enable openvpn@VPN_NAME.service'
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15:03<draxdeveloper>hello
15:04<draxdeveloper>what is more stable at the moment gnome or kde?
15:04<draxdeveloper>for using with debian
15:04<draxdeveloper>(i will use testing)
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15:05<draxdeveloper>also, what is the standart version?
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15:15<musca>draxdeveloper: debian used to have a standard desktop. The jessie installer lets you choose.
15:17<draxdeveloper>hum... ok, that is the point. nowday what is the more stable, kde or gnome? or it will install both?
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15:18<blast007>draxdeveloper: it will install whatever you tell it to install
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15:19<draxdeveloper>ok, i get this... But the both are the same in the point of being stable?
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15:19<draxdeveloper>i asking help to choose between gnome or kde.
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15:19<blast007>depends what you mean by 'stable'
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15:21<draxdeveloper>well, i will using jessie, so the one that crash less times
15:22<draxdeveloper>i installed the x_64 jessie gnome netinstall, and don't even have come with the sudo... So i stoped to reflect if i should keep with gnome or change to kde
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15:22<blast007>sudo isn't installed if you set a root password regardless of your DE
15:22<blast007>(from what I recall, at least)
15:22<draxdeveloper>ah...
15:23<draxdeveloper>my last experience with kde was kubuntu
15:23<draxdeveloper>so i don't know if the problems como from the ubuntu countepart or kde.
15:23<blast007>regardless, I'd think most of the options should be reasonably non-crashy
15:23<jmlongo>I like how Gnome looks ... but like how KDE works ...
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15:24<draxdeveloper>hum... i like more traditional desktop, i will not using any touch thing
15:24<draxdeveloper>just mouse, keyboard and touchpad.
15:24<jmlongo>then any DE should give what you need ;)
15:24<draxdeveloper>:)
15:25<retrospectacus>they are both absolutely perfect.
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15:25<retrospectacus>we woudn't ship anything else
15:25<draxdeveloper>well... i can just try one and if i don't like just install the other
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15:25<retrospectacus>certainly
15:26<draxdeveloper>ok, just need help with one thing... I cant start unetbootin and yumi are not accepting my password
15:26<retrospectacus>to put the debian installer on USB?
15:26<draxdeveloper>yep
15:26<retrospectacus>use "cp" - those programs will *not* work
15:27<draxdeveloper>how i use cp?
15:27<retrospectacus>cp jessie.iso /dev/sdb ; sync
15:27<retrospectacus>substitute your iso file name, and usb device
15:27<draxdeveloper>aaaa, ok, ty
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15:28<jmlongo>just like that ???... awesome ..
15:28<draxdeveloper>i will try kde... There is not in debian yet, but the plasma 5 seems very good
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15:38<draxdeveloper>hum... how can i know if the cp command it's working or if frezeed?
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15:54<daviid>i have an machine unupdated since ages, just using it as a cvs server, 32bits running 3.12-1 since a week or so, /varælib is growing abnormally till system full
15:54<daviid>i wonder how i can understand what's happeing
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16:00<devil_>daviid: find out what file is growing
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16:01<daviid>devil_: i know it is in /vr/lib, but which dir i don't know
16:02<daviid>trying to write a script to cd all of them and run ds -uh .
16:02<daviid>but i'm a schemer, no real bash exp
16:02<devil_>daviid: you can use ncdu
16:02<devil_>you may need to install it
16:03<daviid>looking, but system full won't let me isntall anything
16:03<daviid>ncdu sounds great indeed, tx for the tip
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16:05<devil_>daviid: maybe apt-get clean will free some space
16:05<daviid>that's a good idea
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16:07<daviid>i fear a process growing or a virus maybe? that machine is just not used, the disk should remain at an alomost constant size
16:08<daviid>ncdu installed
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16:08<daviid>ok i found it
16:08<daviid>/var/lib/apt is 55.3GB
16:08<devil_>nifty tool, right?
16:09<daviid>really nifty, many thanks
16:09<daviid>now why apt in /varælib is growing alone ?
16:09<devil_>daviid: what in apt?
16:09<daviid>lists it seama
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16:10<macli>hola
16:10<daviid>apt/lists/partial
16:10<daviid>i can delete that i guess?
16:10<devil_>partial is 55 GB?
16:10<daviid>yes
16:10<devil_>what is in there?
16:11<devil_>mine is 4 lines
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16:13<daviid>i don't know, tons of lines saying
16:13<daviid>55.0GiB [##########] /partial
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16:15<devil_>daviid: well, you can savely get rid of it
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16:17<devil_>apt-get update will reinstate the file
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16:23<daviid`>devil_: i have a terrible internet connection todY, SORRY FOR THESE INTERRUPTIONS
16:23<daviid`>and the capslock :) [hit mistake]
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16:29<devil_>np
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17:01<alex>hello there
17:01<Willem>hi
17:02<alex>i'm new to this so bear with me
17:02<devil_>alex: just ask your question
17:03<alex>I want to add docky to my desktop, but it keeps crashing?
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17:04<devil_>how did you install it?
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17:05<alex>through ubuntu software center
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17:05<devil_>alex: this is debian, not ubuntu
17:05<devil_>!ubuntuirc
17:05<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
17:05<alex>ok
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17:06<draxdeveloper>i am having problems to install deb packages
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17:07<devil_>draxdeveloper: in what way?
17:07<draxdeveloper>it's saying that my infrastrcuture not support file installation
17:07<devil_>draxdeveloper: please pastebin the output you get
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17:07<devil_>draxdeveloper: what package is that? does it match your architecture?
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17:09<draxdeveloper>phoronix test suit
17:10<devil_>is that 32-bit?
17:10<draxdeveloper>my archicteture shold be 64, how can i check it?
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17:10<devil_>draxdeveloper: uname -a will tell you
17:11<draxdeveloper>yeah, amd_64... how can i know the phoronix arch?
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17:12<devil_>it is arch all, just checked
17:13<devil_>where is the output you get?
17:13<draxdeveloper>it's on portuguese, so i will try to translate
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17:13<draxdeveloper>your actual infrascture don't support file installation
17:14<devil_>draxdeveloper: no need. do: LANG=C dpkg -i ....
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17:14<devil_>that will give english output
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17:14<devil_>draxdeveloper: hm, installs just fine here on 64-bit
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17:15<draxdeveloper>hum... i am not opening on the terminal, how is the dpkg command?
17:15<devil_>dpkg -i foo.deb
17:15*dpkg removes a kidney from devil_ and replaces it with foo.deb
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17:16<devil_>how are you trying to install it?
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17:19<draxdeveloper>from the dolphin
17:19<devil_>well, that does not work
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17:20<draxdeveloper>i am opening with apper
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17:21<draxdeveloper>but well, dpkg are not founding the file
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17:21<devil_>never used it, try the terminal
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17:21<devil_>draxdeveloper: you need to cd to the directory with the deb first
17:21<draxdeveloper>i am on it
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17:22<devil_>draxdeveloper: dpkg -i pho TAB
17:22<devil_>which ist yout TAB key
17:22<devil_>that will find it
17:22<draxdeveloper>that is nice :)
17:23<draxdeveloper>dependecy problems
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17:23<devil_>no, its bash-cpmpletion :)
17:23<devil_>draxdeveloper: apt-get -f install
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17:24<draxdeveloper>what this command do?
17:24<devil_>install the dependencies
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17:25<draxdeveloper>but how it's know what dependecies if i am not saying what is the app?
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17:25<musca>it finds the unconfigured package
17:25<devil_>you did before with dpkg
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17:26<draxdeveloper>aaaaa coll, i need to learn more bash -_-
17:26<devil_>you do!
17:26<draxdeveloper>ty, i will do my tests now
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17:26<musca>yes, it is worth every minute you spend on it.
17:26<devil_>and I will walk my dog
17:27<draxdeveloper>lol
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17:45<evilfix>heya ill ij using a debian flavor for an old school macppc. works great except no sound
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17:46<evilfix>sound output devices just list a dummy output. any idea on how to fix?
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17:47<evilfix>Linux lin 3.2.0-4-powerpc #1 Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 ppc GNU/Linux
17:47<evilfix>Linux lin 3.2.0-4-powerpc #1 Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 ppc GNU/Linux
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18:01<evilfix>meanies
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18:12<draxdeveloper>hello, i an testing my new notebook searching for errors... What is the best diagnosis toll?
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18:13<devil_>why would a new notebook have 'errors'?
18:14<devil_>and what are 'errors'?
18:14<draxdeveloper>i want to check the hardware
18:14<devil_>like benchmark?
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18:14<draxdeveloper>hum... i think something more like a stress
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18:15<draxdeveloper>because i don't want to discover too late that there was a hardware error
18:15<draxdeveloper>like memory, hdd or the processor
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18:15<centrx>draxdeveloper, memtest86+ and fsck -c (badblocks)
18:16<draxdeveloper>ok, i will do the fsck
18:16<centrx>processor basically either works or it doesn't
18:16<centrx>memtest is for RAM
18:16<centrx>etc
18:16<devil_>draxdeveloper: apt-get install stress
18:16<draxdeveloper>hum... ok
18:16<abrotman>'cpuburn' .. /me hides
18:16<draxdeveloper>there is a gpuburn?
18:16<awar>#/j debian-it
18:17<draxdeveloper>debian it?
18:17<centrx>draxdeveloper, it's a typo, that was meant to be a command for the IRC server
18:17<devil_>draxdeveloper: that was not for you
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18:18<draxdeveloper>a ok
18:18<draxdeveloper>well, ty for the help :)
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18:21<draxdeveloper>hum... i think i am on the stable debian, how i change to testing?
18:22<flipefr>only change souces file to testing and update
18:23<Nemoder>!wheezy->jessie
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18:25<Nemoder>my botfu has failed :(
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18:29<abrotman>dpkg: wheezy->jessie
18:29<dpkg>Remember that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support so be cautious; ask me about <jessie security>. (1) READ THE RELEASE NOTES: http://deb.li/ldcj (2) From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.
18:29<draxdeveloper>Nemoder, it's a command?
18:29<Nemoder>thanks abrotman
18:33<awal>Any suggestions on how to make 'obsession' working under fluxbox/fvwm or any other WM?
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18:35<draxdeveloper>i need to use a terminal editor to change this?
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18:36<awal>description of 'obsession' says "Session management helpers for lightweight desktop environments" but it only do the job under openbox
18:36<draxdeveloper>using vi
18:37<awal>draxdeveloper: you now how to use vi?
18:37<awal>know ^
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18:38<draxdeveloper>no lol, reading it now
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18:39<awal>so use nano, it's easier
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18:41<draxdeveloper>nano sources.list?
18:41<awal>draxdeveloper: as root run "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
18:42<awal>^ x for save changes ---> clic 'y' then enter
18:42<draxdeveloper>there is a line that starts with cdrom:
18:42<draxdeveloper>what i do with this?
18:42<awal>comment it or remove it
18:43<draxdeveloper>ok
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18:44<draxdeveloper>hum... there is six lines, which ones should i keep
18:44<awal>draxdeveloper: before you make changes paste your file in paste.debian.net . run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" as normal user, copy and paste
18:44<draxdeveloper>they are in pair of deb, deb-src
18:46<draxdeveloper>i cant copy the text, just paste
18:47<draxdeveloper>ah, the cat does this part uU
18:47<awal>:)
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18:50<draxdeveloper>http://paste.debian.net/168154/
18:51<awal>draxdeveloper: you want upgrade to jessie as next stable brach or run testing all the time?
18:52<awal>branch ^
18:52<draxdeveloper>run testing
18:52<draxdeveloper>i installed from live cd version, so they don't have give me a option to install testing version
18:54<awal>draxdeveloper: nothing complicated: for run testing what you need is have this in your sources.list file http://paste.debian.net/168155
18:54<awal>add contrib and non-free if desired
18:54<awal>that's all
18:57<awal>you can also remove deb-src lines if you don't install from sources
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18:58<draxdeveloper>ok, ty
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18:58<draxdeveloper>how it's the line for contrib and non free?
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18:59<Nemoder>draxdeveloper: just add to the end: deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
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19:00<awal>do that for all the lines
19:00<draxdeveloper>ah ok, ty :)
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19:03<abrotman>draxdeveloper: no, don't point at testing, point at jessie
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19:03<draxdeveloper>ok
19:03<abrotman>if someone can't operate their sources.list, please use your head before giving someone that sources.list
19:03<abrotman>dpkg: tell draxdeveloper about jessie sources.list
19:03<awal>he said he want to run testing all the time, abrotman
19:05<awal>abrotman: you late...
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19:05<draxdeveloper>no, i edited
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19:07<draxdeveloper>http://paste.debian.net/168158/
19:08<awal>draxdeveleper: you said you want run testing branch all the time. do you now what is testing, what is jessie?
19:08<awal>draxdeveloper: ^
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19:09<draxdeveloper>i know, but i don't know what is the better way
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19:09<retrospectacus>just run jessie, you will be much happier
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19:10<awal>draxdeveloper: if you 're confused, so ^
19:10<draxdeveloper>ok ><
19:10<draxdeveloper>so it's right?
19:10<draxdeveloper>can i give the update?
19:10<retrospectacus>testing is for, like, testing. For the next release. It's expected to break
19:10<retrospectacus>dpkg: wheezy->jessie
19:10<dpkg>Remember that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support so be cautious; ask me about <jessie security>. (1) READ THE RELEASE NOTES: http://deb.li/ldcj (2) From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.
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19:11<awal>draxdeveloper: if you want jessie so now you have to change your file again
19:11<draxdeveloper>is the same thing, but with jessie instead of testing?
19:12<draxdeveloper>http://paste.debian.net/168161/
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19:13<awal>draxdeveloper: should be as in here http://paste.debian.net/168162 add contrib non-free as we said you before
19:15<draxdeveloper>ok, now it's update time
19:15<abrotman>awal: no, he shouldn't
19:15<draxdeveloper>????
19:15<awal>he shouldn't what?
19:15<draxdeveloper>contrib non-free?
19:15<abrotman>yes, add thoes if you think you'll need them
19:15<abrotman>those
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19:16<awal>abrotman: we already told him that...
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19:17<draxdeveloper>i sometimes use stuff from those repos
19:17<abrotman>he's asking .. I answered
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19:20<draxdeveloper>ty fir the help
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19:20<draxdeveloper>i will let the update without touching anything, bye
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20:15<converge>I have this 0.1 package version, made some modification, the changelog is ok, and the quilt patch either. how can I have 0.1-1 version ?
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20:25<Brigo>converge, what are you talking about?
20:25<Brigo>converge, how the changed you have made in your package are related to debian?
20:26<converge>Brigo: packing, I have hello-0.1 , made some modifications in the upstream and want to create a revision like hello-0.1-1
20:26<Brigo>converge, so is it a debian package?
20:27<converge>Brigo: yes, its an exercise
20:27<Brigo>then ask in #debian-mentors or even better, check the documentation.
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20:28<converge>Brigo: did both
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20:48<Devadas>Does anyone have any suggestions for troubleshooting a gdm problem that for once does *not* appear to be display driver related?
20:48<Devadas>Basically startx works fine but gdm just gives me a totally blank screen
20:49<C4SP3R>Devadas: could it be service related instead of gpu related ? or possibly if it is not the driver or gpu could it be your X settings ?
20:50<abrotman>Devadas: tried another DM, just to see?
20:51<Devadas>It probably is an X configuration issue...when I startx that's using a .xinitrc in my home dir but actually without that the default isn't even loading a WM...
20:51<Devadas>And that didn't used to be the case
20:51<Devadas>This started after I upgraded a wheezy system to testing
20:51<Devadas>So a lot of shit changed...
20:51<C4SP3R>ah I see
20:52<C4SP3R>Devadas: the problem is likely a testing issue. Possibly a broken package or an incompatibility. Often when upgrading to testing beware of intermittent bugs. It does not always happen but sometimes you will get an instability
20:53<C4SP3R>this is one drawback of testing. It is a testing repo so is prone to breakage once in awhile
20:55<Devadas>OK, I just tried lightdm and that started...but when I log in it gives me an error message...
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20:55<Devadas>Something screwy about the default XSession parameters I think
20:56<C4SP3R>ah I see
20:56<Devadas>Because logging it through the DM isn't going to read my .xinitrc right?
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20:57<C4SP3R>yeah you should check your default X session parameters. the DM is going to have to be called by xinit I would guess and is could to invoke an X session so it may be reading your .xinitrc but the problem could be a global one as well
20:57<C4SP3R>make sure your env paths are correctly set and check your .xinitrc parameters and the version as well
20:58<C4SP3R>things may have changed since the last version and when that happens sometimes parameters change... especially with testing repos
20:58<C4SP3R>if you are using a local .xinitrc and not a global path for that then it is likely it is an .xinitrc parameter or maybe permissions issue
20:59<Devadas>Well the thing is the local .xinitrc works...it's the global defaults that don't
21:00<C4SP3R>that is sounding almost like a permissions issue
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21:00<C4SP3R>I have seen packages do things like that before after installing
21:01<C4SP3R>also make sure your global env paths are set
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21:02<awal>A bit confused using ; sign. Example: 'xset -dpms; xset s off' or 'xset -dpms ; xset s off'? -dpms space ; or no space? debian tutorials no space , archlinux always with space. which one is correct?
21:02<awal>I always use no space and no issue but wondering...
21:03<awal>or it doesn't matter if space or no space?
21:04<Devadas>Space shouldn't matter there
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21:04<somiaj>awal: just use 'xset -dpms s off'
21:04<awal>Devas, ok
21:05<somiaj>extra white space at the end doesn't matter, having a space after an option does matter if you have more info -- ; ends a command so the space before it is moot.
21:05<Devadas>Anyway, I noticed that if I try to log in through lightdm with a default or gnome session I get and error (just a vague 'something is wrong' and the server restarts and boots me back to lightdm), but if I choose fluxbox it loads just fine...
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21:06<awal>somiaj: ok, thanks
21:06<somiaj>Devadas: yea gnome can do that. Sometimes it is just something silly in the user config, you can debug this by trying to log into gnome as a new user you just created.
21:07<somiaj>Devadas: but its error message, 'something has gone wrong' is very unifomrnative. Sometimes it is a system setting, sometimes it is a video card issue, and so forth.
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21:08<Devadas>OK, tried making a new user and get the same error
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21:09<Devadas>Could there be a package I'm missing and don't realize it or something?
21:09<abrotman>Devadas: aptitude install gnome
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21:14<awal>Devadas, that general message "something goes worong..." is displayes sometimes when there is a problem/incompatibility/broken gnome extenssions.
21:15<abrotman>no joke?
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21:16<Devadas>Yeah...I'm missing a lot. So much that I'm not sure how that happened...should have checked that first I guess
21:16<Devadas>I mean, I never uninstalled anything though
21:16<Devadas>Just did an upgrade...
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22:07<xu>anybody here?
22:07<dvs>nope
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22:09<xu>where are you from?
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22:10<xu>no one talk
22:10<dvs>This is a help channel for Debian
22:12<xu>ok
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22:14<draxdeveloper>hello, womeone knows where i can find the radeon r5 m230 driver?
22:14<draxdeveloper>*someone
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22:17<draxdeveloper>debian are not detecting my vga :(
22:17<C4SP3R>lol
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22:17<C4SP3R>I read that wrong for a moment and thought it said debian not detecting your vag
22:17<C4SP3R>I was about to say "Houston we have a problem ..."
22:18<C4SP3R>jk
22:18<C4SP3R>you need the correct driver
22:18<C4SP3R>what chipset vid card / gpu
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22:19<draxdeveloper>hum... let me check
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22:20<routaran>Hello, does anyone here have advise on getting a Corsair K70 to work correctly in debian? I have tried this keyboard on Debian derivatives like Ubuntu and Kali, I have no issues on those distros. But on debian, right after grub starts to boot the OS, the system seems to hang but continues normal boot if I unplug the K70
22:21<draxdeveloper>The AMD Radeon R5 M230 is an entry-level DirectX 11 graphics card for laptops, which is based on the Sun GPU (GCN architecture)
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22:21<draxdeveloper>http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R5-M230.108655.0.html
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22:21<C4SP3R>ah fglrx maybe ?
22:22<C4SP3R>maybe check out catalyst driver
22:23<C4SP3R>is it not displaying at all or just the monitor giving problems ?
22:23<draxdeveloper>the one i donwload on the site?
22:23<C4SP3R>no you probably want a repo for this
22:23<draxdeveloper>hum... no, the problem is that infocenter are not detecting it right
22:23<draxdeveloper>they are thinking that is a intel graphics
22:23<C4SP3R>either a ppa / repo with debian drivers or non-free drivers from a 3rd party repo perhaps
22:24<C4SP3R>if you already have that then the issue could be a shortcoming of infocenter
22:24<draxdeveloper>the problem is that i dont know if i have or not
22:24<draxdeveloper>in other words, i don't know what i have to look on drivers
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22:25<draxdeveloper>dobt have fglrx
22:25<draxdeveloper>will install it now
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22:29<draxdeveloper>ok... now kinfocenter is not starting opengl o0
22:31<draxdeveloper>there is a way to test it outside kinfocenter?
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22:41<draxdeveloper>Error: unable to open display :0
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22:41<draxdeveloper>help please, now my opengl is broken YY
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22:47<draxdeveloper>ok, i was running the command as root... but...
22:47<draxdeveloper>X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
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23:08<draxdeveloper>ok, removed the drivers... Problem solved
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23:09<draxdeveloper>and it's detecting lspci -nn | grep '\[03' in this command
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23:21<Pseudonimus>msg NiCK help
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23:25<draxdeveloper>hum... there is the problem... https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure
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23:27<cos>test
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23:29<draxdeveloper>i need to configure the xorg, ok, let's try this
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23:40<draxdeveloper>ok... new problem
23:40<draxdeveloper>installed the drivers, configured, rebbot and...
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23:41<draxdeveloper>now my cursor disspeared
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23:54<yep>should the install go strait to a gui for debian 7.8?
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23:55<awal>yep: ?
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23:56<yep>I have debian installed on a Minnowboard max and it is not loading a gui when it boots
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23:57<draxdeveloper>ok, rebooted here.... But still no mouse pointer :(
23:57<draxdeveloper>it's seens a common problem on jessie and the radeon drivers
23:58<awal>usually first entry goes to text mode, if you want gui mode you must select that entry. or you selected it and it doesn't load? yep
23:59<yep>tried ctrl alt f7 and tried loading from TTY no luck with either
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