| --- | Log | opened Wed Apr 22 00:00:35 2015 |
| --- | Day | changed Wed Apr 22 2015 |
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| 00:02 | <yep> | ./msg awal tried ctrl alt f7 and tried loading from TTY no luck with either |
| 00:02 | <draxdeveloper> | i will have to delete the xorg file that i created, how can i do this from terminal? |
| 00:03 | <draxdeveloper> | i will remove the driver again... I will wait some updates until the driver work on jessie... That is not something that is happening now |
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| 00:03 | <awal> | yep: sorry, never had to handle with similar hardware. |
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| 00:09 | <draxdeveloper> | someone know how can i revert the aticonfig --initial command? |
| 00:09 | <draxdeveloper> | it's creates a xorg conf file |
| 00:09 | <draxdeveloper> | but i don't know if i can just delete it... When i open with nano it's empty |
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| 00:10 | <awal> | yep: hmmm, I tought you was talking about the installer :P |
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| 00:13 | <awal> | yep: what you mean by load to gui? X? |
| 00:14 | <awal> | you DE?WM?DM? |
| 00:14 | <awal> | your ^ |
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| 00:15 | <yep> | the gui doesn't start on the OS |
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| 00:15 | <yep> | we can get to cmd line but not to the gui |
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| 00:16 | <awal> | do you have X, any Desktop environment or any window manager installed? |
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| 00:20 | <awal> | yep: ^, and which display manager you're using? |
| 00:20 | <yep> | no clue |
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| 00:20 | <yep> | awal wouldn't know how to tell |
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| 00:22 | <awal> | yep: hard to follow you if you don't know if you have a display manager, a desktop environment, etc or not :) |
| 00:22 | <yep> | isn't there a standard one that comes with debian 7.8?? |
| 00:23 | <awal> | one can tell that the "default" is gnome. but there is no really a default in debian... |
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| 00:26 | <awal> | yep: visit https://www.debian.org/ & https://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 00:34 | <draxdeveloper> | ok, deleted xorg.conf and just break the x11 -_- |
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| 00:34 | <draxdeveloper> | i need to reset x11.conf to the default (without the aticonfig configuration) |
| 00:34 | <draxdeveloper> | then i will unistall the drivers |
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| 00:54 | <draxdeveloper> | it's getting worse, i can't even remove fglrx driver |
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| 01:07 | <passarinho> | ok, the removal of the drivers fixed my pointer... Well, it's a bug on jessie so when they fix the bug i will try again... |
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| 02:01 | <gmo> | hi |
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| 02:27 | <andry> | hello folks, can anyone confirm apache 2.4 is currently unavailable in wheezy-backports? |
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| 02:28 | <jm_> | it isn't, but it's in jessie which will get stable very soon |
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| 02:31 | <andry> | maybe strange things happen atm because of a very soon release? :o |
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| 02:32 | <devil> | andry: what strange things? |
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| 02:37 | <andry> | like apache2 being gone in backports (it is, see policy and package search) |
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| 02:40 | <liukang> | how do i change back so debian will look like it did 2-4 years ago |
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| 02:45 | <hay207> | hi guys , how to install xdelta file ? |
| 02:46 | <towo^work> | xdelta is not a file for install |
| 02:46 | <hay207> | i downloaded an xdelta file |
| 02:46 | <towo^work> | xdelta is a patch-file for patching a coresponding, yet existing file |
| 02:47 | <towo^work> | and if you have to ask, what xdelta is, you don't want this file |
| 02:47 | <hay207> | i downloaded the xdelta file for wesnoth latest version |
| 02:48 | <hay207> | how to install it? |
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| 02:48 | <jm_> | we only support debian here, ask whoever provides the delta file |
| 02:48 | <towo^work> | [08:46:15] <towo^work> xdelta is not a file for install |
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| 03:10 | <Filystyn> | guys is there some easy way to make diagnostics of debian system? |
| 03:10 | <Filystyn> | just to check if everything is ok |
| 03:10 | <wers> | What part of the system ? |
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| 03:10 | <Filystyn> | when i start system i get some info that something faild |
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| 03:11 | <Filystyn> | should i restart and write it down or |
| 03:11 | <Filystyn> | i can check it manualy somehow |
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| 03:11 | <wers> | try dmesg |more |
| 03:11 | <Filystyn> | thx |
| 03:11 | <wers> | or maby tail -f /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:12 | <jm_> | or enable bootlog and look in its logfile |
| 03:12 | <jm_> | !bootlog |
| 03:12 | <dpkg> | bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable. |
| 03:12 | <Filystyn> | wers will it highlight some crucial "errors" or i have to read all? |
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| 03:13 | <wers> | you can filter it.. dmesg | grep error or similar |
| 03:13 | <Filystyn> | k |
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| 03:14 | <Filystyn> | no errors;-) |
| 03:14 | <Filystyn> | !!! |
| 03:14 | <dpkg> | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 03:14 | <wers> | :) |
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| 03:18 | <devil> | Filystyn: what yaou see in early boot is mostly warnings, not errors |
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| 03:18 | <devil> | Filystyn: if everything works, they can usualy be discarded |
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| 03:21 | <Filystyn> | ok |
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| 03:29 | <Aleksej> | Hi all. A few days left until jessie is released, but plymouth still uses the old Joy theme instead of the selected one (Lines) for jessie. Is this a bug (can't believe nobody noticed), or it's an intended behavior? |
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| 03:31 | <jas4711> | i just stumbled upon http://get.debian.net/ -- it seems somewhat outdated |
| 03:31 | <themill> | Aleksej: sounds like your own configuration from wheezy. That's not what you get if you just install plymouth |
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| 03:32 | <themill> | jas4711: you'd need to follow the instructions at the bottom of the page |
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| 03:34 | <jas4711> | themill, you mean emailing them? i've done so now :-) |
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| 03:34 | <themill> | yep, thanks |
| 03:34 | <jas4711> | i was mostly wondering what the need for that page is at all |
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| 03:36 | <themill> | lots of people find the 13 different archs × 4 different installer images × 3 different download methods impossible to navigate. (And then there's the CD1, CD2, ... problem too) |
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| 04:02 | <Aleksej> | themill: I didn't upgrade from wheezy, I've built a live system. But you're right: purging and reinstalling plymouth restored the default text theme. Looks like some script in live-{build,config,...} sets the wrong theme. Will investigate further... |
| 04:02 | <Aleksej> | themill: Thanks. |
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| 04:03 | <themill> | no worries -- it could easily be something that live-* is configuring |
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| 08:35 | <uxbal> | Hey guys, today's one-person jessie install fest for me, but i have a question: I've seen that when you come to the part where you have to select software for Debian to install, there are options called 'debian desktop environment' and then ...gnome, ...xfce, ...cinnamon etc. Now, if you choose only debian desktop, i presume it installs gnome. But if i choose xfce, do i have to choose debian desktop envi. or that installs gnome alongside xfce |
| 08:35 | <uxbal> | ? Thanks! |
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| 09:20 | <alj> | Hi there. I'm running Google Chrome 42.0.2311.90 (64-bit) on Jessie. I have some trouble with sites that have SSL certs from Comodo showing up as insecure - not with the warning page but with red padlock and https strikethrough. Example: https://zendesk.com. Started happening yesterday. Does not happen in Chromium or Iceweasel. Certs match up with |
| 09:20 | <alj> | Windows machines running same version of Chrome that don't have the same problem. Only idea I have is SHA-1 sunset but it does not seem to be a problem on other SHA-1 sites. Any ideas? |
| 09:23 | <alj> | Source for SHA-1 sunset: http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/09/gradually-sunsetting-sha-1.html |
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| 09:34 | <blast007> | alj: any reason you're not just using chromium? |
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| 09:45 | <alj> | blast007: web dev, using both... pure coincidence I noticed... it's not so much about me but about if the sunset is kicking in now, I know someone who's in big trouble. :) |
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| 10:06 | <ray_> | ray |
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| 10:11 | <kerim> | hi |
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| 10:39 | <mouairy> | o/ |
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| 10:42 | <mouairy> | dch --create -v $VERSION --package $NAME --changelog $TARGET/debian/changelog |
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| 10:42 | <mouairy> | This command will always end up with an interactive editor |
| 10:42 | <mouairy> | How can I use it in my custom scripts ? |
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| 11:00 | <mouairy> | Is there an hidden cache for Debian helpers ? |
| 11:01 | <mouairy> | It seems that from a "dch --create" to another, I don't have interactive editor the first time, but I have it ulteriors times (even if I remve $DEBIAN directory) |
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| 11:19 | <lofic> | Hello, how do you tell grub in a preseed.conf for jessie not to use a graphic boot (for a VM with only a text console) ? |
| 11:21 | <mouairy> | `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"`should do the trick ? |
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| 11:22 | <lofic> | in late_command then ? |
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| 11:26 | <lofic> | I tried manually for a start, that doesn't work for my case |
| 11:27 | <lofic> | tried GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet text" and GRUB_TERMINAL=console |
| 11:29 | <lofic> | and GRUB_GFXMODE=text (and update-grub, of course) |
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| 11:30 | <lofic> | It's for a system installed with virt-install --extra-args="auto console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200" |
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| 11:37 | <lofic> | mouairy : OK thanks, you gave me a start. In my case it was GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200" |
| 11:38 | <lofic> | according to my extra args |
| 11:39 | <mouairy> | You welcome. I can't help much cause I use syslinux |
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| 11:40 | <mouairy> | Currently fighting against "dch" which opens a fuckin' editor in the middle of my script xD |
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| 12:00 | <awal> | Is chromium trying to use html5 not pepperflash in all websites? Because I only can watch videos in youtube |
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| 12:01 | <awal> | In 80% of websites I visit flash doesn't work at all |
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| 12:05 | <finetundra> | would it be safe to use a PPA from ubuntu? |
| 12:05 | <blast007> | !why not use a ppa |
| 12:05 | <dpkg> | PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>. |
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| 12:06 | <blast007> | finetundra: so no, don't use PPAs |
| 12:06 | <petn-randall> | awal: Did you install the pepperflash plugin? Otherwise you won't have flash. |
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| 12:06 | <finetundra> | blast007, even for just an icon and theme pack? |
| 12:08 | <blast007> | you're getting the same advice as yesterday.. "don't use PPAs" |
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| 12:09 | <petn-randall> | finetundra: Correct, no exceptions. |
| 12:09 | <finetundra> | petn-randall;, sigh |
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| 12:10 | <awal> | petn-randall: yeah, I have pepperflash installed |
| 12:10 | <petn-randall> | finetundra: You don't need to install packages to get new themes, plenty of other options to accomplish that. |
| 12:10 | <finetundra> | petn-randall, like what ? |
| 12:11 | <retrospectacus> | finetundra: icons and themes are just files. Put them in the correct location and/or load them with the theme manager or whatever |
| 12:11 | <petn-randall> | finetundra: What DE are you running? |
| 12:11 | <finetundra> | petn-randall, xfce |
| 12:11 | <awal> | In the same websites where I can't watch videos using chromium, I can watch them using iceweasel with flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:12 | <petn-randall> | finetundra: https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes |
| 12:12 | <petn-randall> | 2nd hit on googline "xfce4 theme" |
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| 12:12 | <retrospectacus> | awal: chromium doesn't use flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 12:12 | <retrospectacus> | it uses pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 12:15 | <awal> | retrospectacus: yeah, chromium use pepper. in youtube chromium seems to use html5 when available (one can check that with right clic in the video). But in other sites almost all of them flash content is blocked, nothing work |
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| 12:15 | <retrospectacus> | blocked? |
| 12:15 | <retrospectacus> | finetundra: when installing packages using the package manager, the package creator can run commands as root on your machine. That's why we only install packages from the debian repositories which have strict guidelines and code review etc. |
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| 12:16 | <petn-randall> | retrospectacus++ |
| 12:16 | <retrospectacus> | finetundra: and we don't install things from random Internet sources, nor add PPAs |
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| 12:17 | <finetundra> | retrospectacus, I see |
| 12:17 | <awal> | I don't know how to name that, by blocked I mean I get a window in the place of the video for active pepper pluging but when I active it nothig happens |
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| 12:23 | <awal> | Apart right click in the video, how to check if chromium is using pepperflash or html5 in X website? |
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| 12:24 | <finetundra> | how would I launch a .deb file? |
| 12:25 | <retrospectacus> | to install the deb package, (allowing its creator to run commands as root on your machine): sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 12:26 | <finetundra> | thank you good sir |
| 12:26 | <retrospectacus> | then if there are dpendency problems; sudo apt-get -f install |
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| 12:27 | <petn-randall> | finetundra: Not much difference than adding a 3rd party repository though, only that you have to verify it's not been tampered with by hand. |
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| 12:28 | <finetundra> | I'm not too terribly worried about this particular package |
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| 12:29 | <finetundra> | retrospectacus, do I have to include the entire file path? |
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| 12:38 | <awal> | Ok, problem solved. In Chromium preferences I have set "let me choose if I want run plugin" (in this case plugins aren't actived, one have to do click for activate them). I changed configuration to "detect and run important plugins" all all is working fine in all websites |
| 12:39 | <awal> | Clic for activate plugins worked fine until last Chromium update, hmmm |
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| 12:42 | <awal> | the option 'detect and run important plugins' is new in chromium preferences. how chrome/chromium knows what's important for me or not ...(!?)... |
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| 12:49 | <finetundra> | where would I unsip an icon package to in xfce? |
| 12:50 | <finetundra> | *unzip |
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| 12:50 | <petn-randall> | finetundra: Did the web page I linked you not cover this? |
| 12:52 | <finetundra> | petn-randall, I'm not to sure where ~/.icons is |
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| 12:53 | <petn-randall> | finetundra: ~ is an alias for your home directory. |
| 12:54 | <finetundra> | petn-randall, oh ok. |
| 12:55 | <finetundra> | petn-randall, I can't seem to find it |
| 12:55 | <petn-randall> | finetundra: cd ~/.icons |
| 12:56 | <finetundra> | No such file or directory |
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| 12:57 | <petn-randall> | finetundra: mkdir ~/.icons |
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| 12:58 | <finetundra> | thank you |
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| 14:00 | <trico> | is jessie rc3 able to upgrade to jessie stable? |
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| 14:09 | <retrospectacus> | trico: not yet but it will ("jessie stable" does not yet exist) |
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| 14:13 | <trico> | retrospectacus: |
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| 15:59 | <Xylon> | my debian server (rented from Scaleway) has no /dev/fd |
| 15:59 | <Xylon> | ARM architecture |
| 16:00 | <Xylon> | on my other debian systems I have, according to mount: udev on /dev type devtmpfs |
| 16:00 | <Xylon> | but on this one I just have: none on /dev type devtmpfs |
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| 16:08 | <ompaul> | so you have no floppy? |
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| 16:09 | <ompaul> | sorry you were talking about arm - not something I know much about ignore me |
| 16:09 | <mtn> | isn't /dev/fd going to be floppy, no matter the architecture? |
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| 16:10 | <retrospectacus> | Xylon: what is your question? |
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| 16:12 | <Xylon> | well, bash < <(blah) feature does not work without /dev/fd |
| 16:12 | <retrospectacus> | mtn: /dev/fd is a (symlink to) directory copntaining the current processes file descriptors |
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| 16:12 | <mtn> | retrospectacus: thank you |
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| 16:14 | <retrospectacus> | Xylon: does /proc/self/fd/ exist? |
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| 16:15 | <Xylon> | retrospectacus, affirmative |
| 16:15 | <Xylon> | contains 0 1 2 3 |
| 16:15 | <retrospectacus> | not sure if "ln -s /proc/self/fd /dev/fd" would fix it |
| 16:15 | <retrospectacus> | or why that isn't there - it is on my debian arm box |
| 16:16 | <Xylon> | retrospectacus, that fixes it :) |
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| 16:17 | <Xylon> | I'll contact scaleway to ask why it's not there |
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| 16:18 | <Xylon> | retrospectacus, thanks! |
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| 16:19 | <retrospectacus> | are /dev/{stdin,stdout,stderr} present? pointing to those 0,1,2 you mentioned |
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| 16:21 | <Xylon> | retrospectacus, I do not have /dev/stdin or /dev/stdout. But I do have /dev/stderr. It's a regular file |
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| 16:22 | <Xylon> | stat of those files: https://www.t67.eu/filebin/stuffstuff.txt |
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| 16:30 | <retrospectacus> | is udev installed? udevd running? |
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| 16:33 | <Xylon> | retrospectacus, not installed |
| 16:35 | <Xylon> | actually I just remmebered I think the machine has a special kernel |
| 16:36 | <Xylon> | specially designed for the hardware |
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| 16:40 | <retrospectacus> | yeah talk to scaleway; it sounds pretty customized |
| 16:42 | <Xylon> | will do |
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| 16:52 | <qw> | debian is the best OS |
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| 17:07 | <Heraclite> | hi |
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| 17:09 | <Heraclite> | I've found this : http://linux.jonas.me/font-rendering and was wondering if that fix was still available for Jessie ? |
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| 17:10 | <Brigo> | Heraclite, just try it :) |
| 17:10 | <Heraclite> | ok ;) |
| 17:10 | <retrospectacus> | Heraclite: those hinting and smoothing options are usually in your DE "appearance" settings |
| 17:10 | <Heraclite> | ah ? |
| 17:12 | <Heraclite> | I have Optimization > Full and Grayscale checked, is that right ? |
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| 17:12 | <retrospectacus> | Here's mine, http://i.imgur.com/lsuBvl4.png |
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| 17:13 | <retrospectacus> | you must be using some other DE |
| 17:13 | <Heraclite> | I'm using Gnome 3 |
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| 17:15 | <Heraclite> | the anti-aliasing option is checked for me |
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| 17:18 | <retrospectacus> | did you find the XML .fonts.conf helps? |
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| 17:24 | <Heraclite> | retrospectacus: not really :/ |
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| 17:25 | <Heraclite> | I think problem is the default Gnome 3 font rendering |
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| 17:27 | <Heraclite> | for non Serif fonts like Arial, the rendering is smooth but a little big, and for Serif fonts like Times, the rendering is narrow and "slimy" |
| 17:28 | <Heraclite> | it's more obvious when you're on Iceweasel |
| 17:28 | <Heraclite> | or Writer. |
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| 18:26 | <jeroentb`> | Any guides on getting updtart to work on a fresh wheezy install? The wiki says it's easy but my system crashes on boot at bootall (test machine at work, not available right now). Any and all pointers appreciated, for this very vague question :) |
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| 18:27 | <babilen> | really? |
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| 18:28 | <babilen> | I'd use jessie for that and then, upstart has sort of been decided against in Debian. You are aware of that, aren't you? |
| 18:29 | <jeroentb`> | babilen: aware of discussion, not of the desision, but would you then advise systemd on wheezy for a production machine? |
| 18:30 | <babilen> | no |
| 18:30 | <jeroentb`> | :) |
| 18:30 | <Brigo> | neither upstart, of course. |
| 18:30 | <babilen> | I'd stick with sysvinit on wheezy and switch to systemd on jessie |
| 18:30 | <jeroentb`> | ok, clear enough. thank you! |
| 18:30 | <awal> | jeroentb: ubuntu and derivatives, being based on debian, will "soon" switch to systemd. upstart will be probably obsolete init sys |
| 18:30 | <babilen> | You could pull systemd from backports if you are desperate, but then ... it is a production machine, why experiment? |
| 18:31 | <babilen> | (that doesn't mean that upstart is not supported, but you might find that it is not necessarily the technology you want to persue) |
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| 18:32 | <babilen> | +u |
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| 18:34 | <jeroentb`> | babilen: I have been using systemd succesfully on arch and quite like it. I have to choose between centOS en debian for a distro, my heart goes to debian but seeing as there is (I believe, noob here, don't shoot me) no system in place that monitors services and restarts them if needed, I might have to go yum.. |
| 18:34 | <babilen> | jessie will be released in three days |
| 18:34 | <babilen> | judd: v systemd |
| 18:34 | <judd> | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; sid: 215-17; jessie: 215-17; experimental: 219-7 |
| 18:34 | <jeroentb`> | Ha! |
| 18:34 | <jeroentb`> | that is excellent news |
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| 18:35 | <jeroentb`> | problem solved, jeej! |
| 18:35 | <babilen> | There is also supervisord or monit (just saying) |
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| 18:35 | <babilen> | dpkg: wwjr |
| 18:35 | <dpkg> | Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html |
| 18:35 | <jeroentb`> | i'll take note of those, thank you |
| 18:36 | <babilen> | np, have fun |
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| 18:37 | <awal> | Guys, I have xfce4-power-manager loaded in fluxbox via 'fbautostart', and also xscreensaver via startup file with command 'xscreensaver -no-splash'. I kill them if not needed runing "xscreensaver-command -exit; xfce4-power-manager --quit" as explained in man pages but I dont know how to load them again vía command line. Any help please? |
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| 18:40 | <awal> | What I want is load xfce4-power-manager and xscreensaver via command line (load the daemons, in background of course) . I run in terminal, or using a custom keyboard shortcut, as follow: xscreensaver -no-splash; xfce4-power-manager" but they aren't loaded |
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| 18:40 | <retrospectacus> | awal: run them prepended by "&" to background the process ; then run "disown" so they don't die when you close the terminal |
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| 18:44 | <awal> | retrospectacus: ok, let me try. what's 'disown'? |
| 18:44 | <retrospectacus> | a bash command to release ownership of background jobs |
| 18:44 | <retrospectacus> | google "bash job control" for details |
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| 18:46 | <awal> | retrospectacus. ok, i'll google that. |
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| 18:53 | <awal> | ok. if I run "xscreensaver -no-splash &" then "xfce4-power-manager & " both daemons are loaded just fine. but if I run "xscreensaver -no-splash & ; and xfce4-power-manager & " or "xscreensaver -no-splash & && xfce4-power-manager & " they aren't loaded, I get a syntax error related with ; and & elements |
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| 18:54 | <awal> | I want load the with a single command because I want create a keyboard shortcut for that. Any suggestion? |
| 18:54 | <awal> | load them ^ |
| 18:56 | <awal> | ^ "xscreensaver -no-splash & ; xfce4-power-manager &" . sorry forget 'and' after ; . typing error |
| 18:56 | <retrospectacus> | create an executable script with those commands on 2 lines |
| 18:57 | <retrospectacus> | say, ~/bin/enable-pm |
| 18:58 | <retrospectacus> | then set your kb shortcut to run "enable-pm" |
| 18:58 | <retrospectacus> | you won't need "disown" in this case |
| 18:58 | <retrospectacus> | to make it executable: chmod +x ~/bin/enable-pm |
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| 18:59 | <awal> | hmm, why "xscreensaver-command -exit; xfce4-power-manager --quit" works for kill them but "xscreensaver -no-splash & ; xfce4-power-manager &" don't work? why I get syntax error about ; and & ? |
| 18:59 | <retrospectacus> | because "& ;" is a syntax error |
| 19:00 | <retrospectacus> | just ; works in the first case because the exit command immediately finishes |
| 19:00 | <awal> | retrospectacus: ok, I'll look at how to do that script later, thanks for the suggestion |
| 19:00 | <retrospectacus> | "xscreensaver -no-splash & xfce4-power-manager &" would be fine |
| 19:00 | <awal> | so how should be the correct syntax in this case? |
| 19:00 | <awal> | ok, let me try |
| 19:00 | <retrospectacus> | use & instead of ; to run 2 commands in parallel instead of in sequence |
| 19:01 | <retrospectacus> | (more or less) |
| 19:02 | <retrospectacus> | note that ~/bin is automatically added to your $PATH if it exists |
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| 19:03 | <awal> | ok |
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| 19:04 | <awal> | retrospectacus: ok, thanks. it works with "xscreensaver -no-splash & xfce4-power-manager &". |
| 19:05 | <retrospectacus> | cool |
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| 19:05 | <awal> | the problem was ; Without it all fine. thanks, bro |
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| 19:09 | <awal> | is so correct this whole command "xset +dpms s on; xscreensaver -no-splash & xfce4-power-manager &" |
| 19:10 | <awal> | or I should remove ';' after 's on'? |
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| 19:13 | <awal> | for disable all those stuffs I run "xset -dpms s off; xscreensaver-command -exit; xfce4-power-manager --quit" but for load them again I'm not sure I should add ; after 'xset +dpms s on' or not |
| 19:14 | <retrospectacus> | that one doesn't really matter |
| 19:14 | <retrospectacus> | since "xset" exits immediately either way |
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| 19:15 | <retrospectacus> | the problem you had was that "xscreensaver -no-splash" starts and runs forever. Following commands aren't reached |
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| 19:19 | <awal> | retrospectacus: ok, fine so. Thanks. I created a keyboard shortcut for my fluxbox as this "Shift Mod1 Return :Exec xset +dpms s on xscreensaver -no-splash & xfce4-power-manager &" and all fine. thanks! |
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| 19:22 | <retrospectacus> | sure |
| 19:22 | <awal> | :) |
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| 19:23 | <retrospectacus> | you have & or ; after "on" right? |
| 19:24 | <grummund> | Hi, anyone know if avconv (replacement for ffmpeg) should support video4linux2 format? |
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| 19:30 | <retrospectacus> | grummund: according to the manual, yes. |
| 19:32 | <awal> | retrospectacus; yes I have ; after 'on' not &. so? |
| 19:33 | <retrospectacus> | good. You didn't type it up there ^ |
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| 19:35 | <grummund> | i guess video4linux2 device is input only |
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| 19:36 | <awal> | I removed ; and all fine now. thanks, retrospectacus |
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| 19:36 | <retrospectacus> | awal: you need the ; |
| 19:37 | <retrospectacus> | you just left it out when you said your command above |
| 19:37 | <awal> | retrospectacus: after 'on'? |
| 19:37 | <retrospectacus> | ...my fluxbox as this "Shift Mod1 Return :Exec xset +dpms s on xscreensaver -no-splash & xfce4-power-manager &" and .... |
| 19:37 | <retrospectacus> | needs a ; or & after "on" |
| 19:40 | <awal> | ok, I add ; I removed bcuz you said since"that one doesn't really matter. "xset" exits immediately either way" |
| 19:40 | <retrospectacus> | it doesn't matter whether it is ; or & |
| 19:42 | <retrospectacus> | but must be one of them, or else "xset +dpms s on xscreensaver -no-splash" is a single command which probably won't work very well. |
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| 19:42 | <awal> | oh, ok. got confused. So tit should be "xset +dpms s on; xscreensaver -no-splash & xfce4-power-manager &" ehm? |
| 19:43 | <retrospectacus> | yes |
| 19:44 | <awal> | ok, ok. You right. without ; it's like a big single command |
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| 19:45 | <retrospectacus> | you got it |
| 19:46 | <awal> | without ; it's like xset should execute +dpms s on and xscreensaver |
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| 19:46 | <awal> | hm, ok. thanks |
| 19:46 | <retrospectacus> | "xscreensaver" would be abother argument to xset, probably ignored or cause an error |
| 19:46 | <awal> | right |
| 19:46 | <retrospectacus> | another* |
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| 19:47 | <retrospectacus> | I'm off |
| 19:47 | <awal> | good, retrospectacus, thanks for your time! |
| 19:47 | <retrospectacus> | no problem. Enjoy :) |
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| 20:39 | <twb> | Is there anywhere a mapping from USB vendor:product to USB class? Pulling it out of the kernel driver sources, I mean |
| 20:40 | <twb> | I want a way to say (without asking the running kernel) "is dead:beef a HID, hub, or something else?" |
| 20:42 | <Brigo> | twb, i think you cant, only the kernel can 'speak' with the usb system. |
| 20:43 | <twb> | Brigo: well you can go through all the kernel .h files with a bunch of crappy perl, and generate a key/value database |
| 20:43 | <twb> | But I don't want to do that myself, I want to just find someone who has already done so. |
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| 20:43 | <twb> | I thought kmuto.jp's HCL did USB IDs, but it looks like it's *only* PCI |
| 20:44 | <Brigo> | you can get a nice table, yes, but you still need to ask to the kernel about the usb card id. |
| 20:44 | <Brigo> | twb did you try lsusb? |
| 20:44 | <twb> | Uh, I know what the ID is. |
| 20:45 | <twb> | The IDs are effectively being read to me over the phone by a trained monkey at an airgapped base |
| 20:45 | <Brigo> | XD |
| 20:45 | <twb> | I can look up their text descriptions in http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids but I also want to know what class they are, *without* trusting what the monkey or his system claims. |
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| 20:46 | <Brigo> | i think i am lost, sorry twb . |
| 20:47 | <twb> | No worries. |
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| 21:17 | <twb> | Hm, https://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB |
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| 21:18 | <twb> | That's based on 2.6.26 tho which is pretty ancient |
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| 21:19 | <twb> | How does moin generate that data https://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/ModuleToWikipageMap ? |
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| 22:30 | <twb> | Is this thread available as a pipermail mbox? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/02/msg01083.html |
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| 22:31 | <themill> | I don't think we do mbox export from http for anything on lists.d.o |
| 22:31 | <twb> | OK |
| 22:32 | <twb> | Haha "The fix was to hide the message when not using verbose mode." |
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