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00:00<gone---------->rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40648 apr 6 14:14 /sbin/init
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00:00<somiaj>yea it isn't a link to /lib/systemd/systemd so that is good. Everythign looks fine.
00:01<gone---------->k i'll reboot
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00:01<gone---------->init v 2.88 booting that's good so far
00:02<gone---------->"a problem has occured and the system can't recover. pelase log out and try again" =[
00:02<gone---------->i'll check the logs
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00:02<gone---------->"systemd-login[2045] failed to start user service: unknown unit: user@o.service"
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00:03<gone---------->but "ii systemd-shim 9-1 amd64 shim for systemd"
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00:05<somiaj>gone----------: look at the init scripts that are being loaded, not sure why that is failig as you should have logind in systemd-shim. But I gave you teh standard pointers, not sure what the issue is
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00:07<gone---------->yeah this just isn't worth the trouble
00:07<gone---------->any idea how i roll back to systemd
00:07<gone---------->should I "apt-get remove sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils" ?
00:07<somiaj>gone----------: remove the sysvinit packages and install systemd and systemd-sysv
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01:13<AnotherAnarchist>how can i get to know what improvements got this new release??
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01:14<somiaj>AnotherAnarchist: read the release notes
01:15<AnotherAnarchist>well thanks, hope can follow
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01:18<AnotherAnarchist>wow, kind of tough
01:18<AnotherAnarchist>or funny
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01:47<AlexLikeRock>welcom jessie
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01:48<PaulePanter>Yeah, congrats.
01:49<PaulePanter>Though I’m not so content, that it released with so many release critical bugs.
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01:57<openvc1>Is there a reason why adduser doesn't chmod 700 home directories?
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02:21<zoli81>hi all
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02:22<zoli81>has anyone tried Crunchbang lately?
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02:23<zoli81>I mean the beta version, nut Bunsen Lab's
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02:24<themill>This is #debian
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02:26-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
02:26-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.0; /msg dpkg 7.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next ( | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
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03:32<tpo>hello, is there a way to declare alternatives (as in update-alternatives) in a dh_ style way?
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03:32<tpo>I have googled/manpaged a bit but haven't found anything.
03:32<AtomicSpark>On a fresh install of Debian netinst, apt cannot find any packages relating to virtual box, even though they're listed here:§ion=all
03:33<AtomicSpark>Was something changed in the sources in the new releases?
03:33<valdyn>judd: versions virtualbox
03:33<judd>Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3; sid/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3; stretch/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3; experimental/contrib: 4.3.26-dfsg-2
03:33<valdyn>AtomicSpark: its in contrib, which is not enabled by default
03:34<AtomicSpark>valdyn: Yeah, I just figured that out. I didn't have to enable that with Debian 7.
03:34<valdyn>AtomicSpark: yea you did
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03:35<valdyn>AtomicSpark: (or someone else did, its off by default and always has been)
03:35<AtomicSpark>My Debian 7 also defaulted to gnome, which Internets tell me was supposed to be xfce. Weird!
03:37<TobiX>AtomicSpark: Maybe you used unofficial installation media?
03:37<themill>no debian release has even been made with xfce as the default DE
03:39<devil>it was planned for a while but turned back to gnome
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03:40<AtomicSpark>devil: Ah. Blogs need to do more research I guess.
03:40<devil>after better compression made gnome fit on CD1 again
03:41<devil>AtomicSpark: some do, yes. sometimes someone writes something and the others just copy it :)
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03:42<AtomicSpark>As per, doesn't look like software-properties-gtk is used anymore, nor is gksu installed by default.
03:42*AtomicSpark fires up nano
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03:45<Arrowmaster>sudo has never been part of the default install (if you opt not to set a root password the installer will install sudo)
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03:46<Arrowmaster>if thats what you are referring to
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03:48<AtomicSpark>Arrowmaster: gksu is sudo for gtk applications. Doesn't break things. Ie, put files into your home directory as root.
03:49<Arrowmaster>to use gksu (invoked as gksudo i think) with sudo you need the sudo package installed
03:49<Arrowmaster>which has never been default except in that one case i mentioned
03:50<AtomicSpark>I have never, will I ever, set a root password. If you need background backup scripts, use ssh.
03:51<Arrowmaster>there is one reason to set a root password, but for me its not an issue anymore since im using full disk encryption
03:51<Arrowmaster>without a root password you can get to a root shell prompt on a filesystem error during boot
03:51<Arrowmaster>if a password is set you get prompted for it
03:52<AtomicSpark>In your example, nothing will prevent an attacker from just loading a live cd and chrooting your system.
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03:52<valdyn>grub is sufficient to chroot, dont even need a live cd
03:53<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
03:53<AtomicSpark>Aw man, now the pretty put-mouse-in-corner-to-get-application-menu gesture isn't working. Sigh.
03:53<Arrowmaster>i remember doing that so many years ago
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03:54<AtomicSpark>If your grub timeout is 0, you hold shift correct?
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04:32<HiTree>someone else getting an unknown key on debian-lts? was this announced?
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04:39<dutchfish>HiTree, i have no problems, but i have not yet a wheezy-lts tested see
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04:39<dutchfish>HiTree, they need some funding still
04:40<dutchfish>HiTree, that would make things alot faster
04:40<HiTree>I know... but its about the squeeze-lts
04:40<dutchfish>HiTree, i have no problems with squeeze, so ask
04:40<HiTree>squeeze-updates and squeeze-lts changed to the debian-jessie-release key
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04:41<dutchfish>HiTree, when did that happen?
04:41<HiTree>asked already on debian-release
04:43<dutchfish>HiTree, if you have a squeeze-lts for testing 'gpg -a --export 7638D0442B90D010|sudo apt-key add -' could help, but it needs ocnfirmation first
04:43<HiTree>i know...
04:44<dutchfish>lets wait untill they have rounded up the jessie release and the wiki's
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04:44<dutchfish>i gues they are very busy
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04:45<dutchfish>btw kudos to the lts people
04:45<HiTree>Yes, great service.... time to migrate none the less.... (need more time)
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06:05<lord_rob>Hi! Any release date for stretch? (</troll> :D)
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06:05<dpkg>well, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? ,
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06:46<pred>This is a longshot but did anybody manage to get Radeon HD 4870 era cards running with flgrx on Jessie? Wheezy had a package for it, and the official non-free drivers only support Linux 3.4.
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06:58<EmleyMoor>Just upgraded to jessie on my comms box, and ejabberd is failing to allow connections. From psi, this happens: There was an error communicating with the server.
06:58<EmleyMoor>Details: Stream Negotiation Error: Host unknown
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07:09<EmleyMoor>I've also lost use of dahdi - what's the correct method to get it set up?
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07:10<sits>Hi. I’ve got a md RAID1 with LVM on top but when I yank one disk and then boot there are complaints that the LVM groups can’t be found...
07:11<valdyn>sits: error by which part? grub?
07:11<sits>I think it must be a startup script (Jessie)
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07:12<sits>grub is happy
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07:12<sits>and boots the kernel fine
07:12<valdyn>sits: show us /proc/mdstat
07:12<sits>Volume group debian-vg not found
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07:13<sits>valdyn: when all is working or when it is broken?
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07:14<valdyn>sits: well, both if you can
07:14<valdyn>sits: whatever is easier first
07:14<sits>md0: acitve raid1 sdb1[1] sda1[0]
07:15<sits> 5236736 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [U/U]
07:15<sits>unused devices: <none>
07:15<sits>that’s from when it’s working
07:16<sits>(hand transposed - apologies for errors)
07:16<valdyn>sits: ok, not useful, can you boot up the broken system?
07:16<sits>valdyn: that already looks bad?
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07:16<valdyn>sits: no
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07:17<sits>Removing second disk…
07:17<sits>(disk is removed after machine is powered off then machine is powered back on again)
07:17<sits>md0: inactive sda1[0](S)
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07:18<sits> 5236736 blocks super 1.2
07:18<valdyn>sits: ok, so your raid is not starting when its degraded
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07:18<sits>valdyn: misconfiguration on my end?
07:18<valdyn>sits: i dont yet know when this would occur
07:19<valdyn>sits: let's see: "mdadm --start /dev/md0" gives what?
07:19<sits>valdyn: (this was after a Jessie install so the RAID was configured from the debian installer)
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07:19<sits>valdyn: hang on (says --start not recognised)
07:20<valdyn>sits: ok, let me look it up
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07:20<valdyn>sits: oh, hold on, is your raid still syncing?
07:20<sits>valdyn: it can’t be
07:20<sits>did mdstat earlier say it was out of sync?
07:21<valdyn>sits: nope
07:21<sits>Then it can’t be resyncing
07:21<sits>as one disk has been pulled after a clean poweroff
07:21<sits>(well the poweroff was supposedly clean...)
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07:24<valdyn>sits: please show your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
07:24<sits>valdyn: ok let me just read the topic of this channel so I know where to put it
07:24<sits>(I’ll have to reboot to the working system)
07:25<valdyn>sits: hmm
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07:25<sits>valdyn: OK give me a moment (thanks for your time)
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07:27<ash__>yippee, Jessie! =)
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07:29<valdyn>sits: mdadm -S /dev/md0; mdadm --assemble --verbose --scan
07:30<valdyn>sits: thats with the 1 disk removed
07:30<sits>valdyn: ah I see
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07:32<valdyn>sits: which debian release is this? jessie?
07:32<sits>valdyn: correct
07:32*sits gets lazy
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07:34<valdyn>sits: now after you run vgchange -ay you can probably boot normally with that degraded array
07:34<sits>So that looks like it can be brought online
07:35<sits>how do I continue booting from initramfs?
07:35<valdyn>sits: ctrl-d i think
07:35<sits>Yes it looks happy
07:35<sits>valdyn: so… this is what’s meant to happen when a RAID1 is degraded?
07:36*EmleyMoor is going to try to restore his dahdi configuration from a backup - but doesn't know what to do if that doesn't work
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07:37<sits>valdyn: and will it automatically rebuild when the disk is added back?
07:37<valdyn>sits: you use mdadm /dev/md0 --re-add /dev/sdx1
07:38<valdyn>sits: using an internal bitmap would speed up that rebuild
07:38<sits>valdyn: the disks are tiny so that’s not a problem
07:38<sits>However: Why didn’t the system continue booting without intevention?
07:39<sits>and why didn’t it try to automatically rebuild?
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07:39<valdyn>sits: not automatically rebuilding kind of makes sense to me. Assuming that the disk is now suddenly ok may be dangerous.
07:40<valdyn>sits: not booting degraded is clearly broken though
07:40<sits>valdyn: hmm…
07:40<sits>valdyn: Do you think I just selected the wrong thing in the installer?
07:40<valdyn>sits: no
07:41<tremon>sits: it should boot in degraded mode, at least in wheezy. The line used in initramfs is "mdadm --assemble --scan --run", which should bring online degraded arrays
07:41<tremon>according to the man page, that is
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07:42<sits>valdyn: it says /dev/sdb1 can’t be readded
07:42<hazz>hi there why on the live distro there isn't any uefi support?
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07:43<valdyn>sits: then just --add
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07:44<sits>valdyn: ah yes and it’s doing the rebuild now
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07:44<valdyn>sits: re-add only really makes sense when the 1 disk is untouched or you used a bitmap
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07:46<sits>hazz: you might want to try #debian-cd
07:46<sits>hazz: I think they just didn’t get round to it
07:46<hazz>sits: ok sorry about the post
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07:48<EmleyMoor>I'm replacing /dev/sdb in this machine for the third time, soon. The other three are now very old but have never given a hint of trouble.
07:51<sits>valdyn: hmm it might be an option
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07:52<sits>What places /etc/initramfs/conf.d/mdadm ?
07:53<tremon>sits: dpkg -S /etc/initramfs/conf.d/mdadm
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07:53<valdyn>sits: does that exist?
07:54<sits>it doesn’t exist
07:54<valdyn>sits: thats supposed to work in ubuntu
07:54<sits>valdyn: ah OK
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07:56<sits>valdyn: hmm that option sounds like it’s more for raid5/6 than raid1
07:56<valdyn>sits: yea
07:57<sits>valdyn: back to square 0 again...
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08:04<sits>valdyn: do you know of an existing bug for this?
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08:05<sits>And I should I be running a test on a Debian 7 system to see if it behaves the same way?
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08:08<musca>hello es
08:09<es>please help me install linux-firmware-nonfree - it is not located with apt-get install after adding non-free to sources.list
08:10<valdyn>sits: grep INITRDSTART /etc/default/mdadm
08:10<tremon>es: ran apt-get update?
08:11<tremon>es: ah. Try firmware-linux-nonfree instead
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08:11<sits>valdyn: set to all
08:11<sits>valdyn: I’m rebuilding initramfs now
08:12<es>E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree
08:12<sits>valdyn: same problem
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08:13<tremon>es: please paste your sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy (to a pastebin, not here)
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08:13<es>where is the pastebin ?
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08:15<sits>valdyn: good guess though
08:16<es>tremon: paste performed
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08:17<es>tremon: done also for policy...
08:17<tremon>es: please don't use directly, use a mirror. And your're missing jessie proper. Add (e.g.) deb jessie main contrib non-free
08:19<sits>valdyn: Thanks!
08:19<sits>valdyn: at least it’s known
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08:21<valdyn>sits: do you have a non-raided swap there?
08:21<es>tremon: it works! thank you :) will restart now to see if screen resolution is fixed...
08:21<sits>valdyn: no - my swap is raided
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08:25<es>tremon: all ok, thank you!
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08:37<Debian4Ever>Hello, can anybody help me, pls ? I've described the whole problem in #help channel. Thanks in advance.
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08:39<towo`>Debian4Ever, you should describe your problem here
08:40<musca>Debian4Ever: obviously only the users in #help channel can read your description.
08:41<Debian4Ever>Hello, I've just upgraded my comp, from Debian Wheezy to Jessie. I see I cannot play video, e.g. in VLC, just audiou sounds but no video. Video played ok in Wheezy. My system: Linux linux 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-2 (2015-04-13) i686 GNU/Linux. My old graph. card :) is: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. Millennium G550 (rev 01)
08:41<towo`>can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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08:42<musca>,v xserver-xorg-video-matrox
08:42<judd>No package named 'xserver-xorg-video-matrox' was found in amd64.
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08:42<towo`>musca, it's -mga i think
08:43<aluno>guilherme rijo
08:43<musca>,v xserver-xorg-video-mga
08:43<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-mga on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.4.11.dfsg-4+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:1.4.13.dfsg-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.5.0-3; jessie: 1:1.6.3-2+b1; sid: 1:1.6.3-2+b1; stretch: 1:1.6.3-2+b1
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08:43<aluno>eu sou guilherme
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08:44<towo`>aluno, wrinte inglish
08:44<Debian4Ever>towo: monet.
08:44<Debian4Ever>*moment ;)
08:44<towo`>aluno, write english
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08:45<Debian4Ever>towo: / I just wonder that video played ok in Wheezy but not after upgrade in Jessie :-(
08:47<towo`>(EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied that looks not right for me
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08:48<Debian4Ever>towo`: what shall I do so not only audo but also video will play in VLC ?
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08:48<towo`>Debian4Ever, have you tryed another vo driver in vlc?
08:49<towo`>Debian4Ever, have you tryed another player?
08:49<towo`>Debian4Ever, have you started vlc from terminal, maybe you will get there usefull output
08:49<Debian4Ever>I tried cvlc, mplayer, dragon. All play just audio.
08:49<sits>Debian4Ever: you migt want to upload your dmesg too
08:51<valdyn>sits: where is your grub installed?
08:51<sits>valdyn: /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
08:51<valdyn>sits: ok
08:51<sits>valdyn: (learned that the hard way last year ;-) )
08:52<valdyn>sits: thats already broken in the installer, it installs only to one
08:52<valdyn>sits: so maybe that is true in your case too
08:52<sits>valdyn: I set it manually in the installer
08:52<valdyn>sits: via "go back" ?
08:52<valdyn>sits: thats what i just did anyway
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08:52<sits>valdyn: there’s an option below which effecitvely says “enter path”
08:52<sits>and you can put each one seperated by a space
08:52<valdyn>sits: oh i see
08:53<sits>Debian4Ever: drm:mga_do_init_dma] *ERROR* failed to install WARP ucode!: -2
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08:54<sits>Debian4Ever: perhaps you need firmware? I don’t know
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08:54<sits>Debian4Ever: line before says platform mga_warp.0: firmware: agent aborted loading matrox/g400_warp.fw (not found?)
08:54<sits>Debian4Ever: perhaps it’s non-free...
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08:55<Hewson>im trying to use my raspberry pi as a sortof video-demo screen. I start videae in omxplayer by pressing gpio pins and it displays a logo in X before and anfter doing so. Does anyone know of an easy way to tell Xorg to hide the cursor?
08:55<Debian4Ever>I tried to install the old stuff from matrox but it's not possible because I don't have/usr/X11R6 dir.
08:55<Hewson>mkdir /usr/X11R6
08:55<sits>Debian4Ever: I wouldn’t go that route
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08:56<Debian4Ever>Hewson: do u think te installation would finished ok when creating that dir ? The last release of matrox g550 is from 2006 :-(
08:56<sits>Debian4Ever: If you’re at the stage where you’re trying to bodge old drives I’d save your time/hair and buy a cheap graphics card
08:57<Hewson>Debian4Ever: hmm
08:57<Hewson>Debian4Ever: 2006 is a whole other era
08:57<sits>Debian4Ever: but I do think you might just have to add the missing firmware (hint hint) and you’ll be done
08:57<EmleyMoor>How can I get dahdi to work on my jessie system?
08:57<Debian4Ever>sits: this is an older pc but as I typed before: I wonder that in Wheezy video was playing ok....
08:57<Hewson>its post 9/11 but in linux-driver-time thats still pre-ww2
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08:57<EmleyMoor>(I've even restored old config - totally useless)
08:58<sits>Debian4Ever: Have you installed the non-free firmware package?
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08:58<Debian4Ever>sist: which ones ?
08:58<sits>Debian4Ever: Is the first link relevent?
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08:59<Debian4Ever>sits: just looking at the results. Try to install g400 and will see...
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08:59<sits>Debian4Ever: if so you might just be an apt-get install and a reboot away
09:00<Hewson>Debian4Ever: lol, you get a free PC without an nVidia or AMD card... Still a proprietary driver/firmware. Aint that luck for ya
09:00<sits>(but I’d do that before trying to force any old drivers on to your system)
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09:00<Debian4Ever>Hewson: what r u talking about ? ^^
09:01<Hewson>Debian4Ever: oh u didnt say it was free. i thoguht as you said ti wasz an old pc you got it. usually when you dont have amd or nvidia, its easy times in linux as most drivers are open. But matrox happens to have proprietery graphics
09:02<Debian4Ever>sits: I'm not sure how to get that .fw pack and install it :-\
09:02<sits>Debian4Ever: ah let’s see
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09:02<sits>Debian4Ever: what doe
09:02<sits>Debian4Ever: grep non-free /etc/apt/sources.list
09:02<Debian4Ever>It's an old PC, I have it for 5 years...
09:02<Hewson>outside of amd& nvidia matrox is probably the only x86-pc videocard driver still around
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09:03<sits>Debian4Ever: (approximately - doesn’t have to be letter perfect if it’s just one line)
09:03<Debian4Ever>sits: just 2 lines of the grep:
09:03<Debian4Ever>deb jessie main non-free
09:03<Debian4Ever>deb stable main contrib non-free
09:03<Hewson>but does anyone know how to hide the cursor in X11?
09:03<sits>Debian4Ever: that’s good
09:03<sits>Debian4Ever: what does
09:03<sits>Debian4Ever: (as root/using sudo)
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09:04<sits>Debian4Ever: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
09:04<sits>Debian4Ever: say?
09:05<Debian4Ever>It says: firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version.
09:05<sits>Debian4Ever: dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree ?
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09:05<Hewson>Debian4Ever: do you have any other X dir in /usr?
09:06*Hewson is thinking of symlinking the new /usr/X??? dir to the old /usr/X11R6 dir but it does sound incredibly un-kosher and hacky in my head
09:07<Debian4Ever>sits: in /usr/ I have only: bin games include lib local sbin share src
09:07<sits>Debian4Ever: ok
09:07<sits>Debian4Ever: ls -l /lib/firmware/matrox/g400_warp.fw
09:08<Debian4Ever>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16790 Jun 16 2014 /lib/firmware/matrox/g400_warp.fw
09:08<sits>Debian4Ever: That looks ok too
09:08<sits>Debian4Ever: dmesg | grep -C warp
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09:09<Debian4Ever>Btw, youtube videos are playing but even vlc videos on iceweasel (with browser-vlc addon) plays only audio, no video :-(
09:10<Debian4Ever>I've got: grep: warp: invalid context length argument
09:10<sits>Debian4Ever: dmesg | grep -C3 warp
09:11<Debian4Ever>I don't wanna downgrade for this :-) Hope some trick would help ;)
09:11<Debian4Ever>only some lines, not many, hope would be ok post them here ;-)
09:12<Debian4Ever>[ 50.165594] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: putting AGP V2 device into 1x mode
09:12<Debian4Ever>[ 50.165621] pci 0000:01:00.0: putting AGP V2 device into 1x mode
09:12<Debian4Ever>[ 50.195933] [drm] Initialized card for AGP DMA.
09:12<Debian4Ever>[ 50.280677] platform mga_warp.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware matrox/g400_warp.fw
09:12<Debian4Ever>[ 870.557305] perf interrupt took too long (2520 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 50000
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09:13<sits>oh well I thought we were just about to get somewhere
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09:14<sits>Debian4Ever: :-)
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09:14<sits>Debian4Ever: OK that says the firmware loaded
09:14<sits>Debian4Ever: what does your latest xorg log look like?
09:15<Debian4Ever>Would amny info when running vlc in CLI help ?
09:15<Debian4Ever>* any info...
09:15<sits>Debian4Ever: not for now
09:15<Debian4Ever>sits: I just upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and rebooted. It worked before...
09:16<sits>Debian4Ever: ok
09:16<sits>Debian4Ever: the xorg log please?
09:16<sits>(I’m just going through one thing at a time)
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09:16<Debian4Ever>Hmmm, Xorg log, where is it, pls ? :) I'm not using it daily :)) Thanx.
09:18<musca>it was /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:19<musca>but gdm3 now integrates it into the journam of systemd
09:19<Debian4Ever>I've got it :) I have no xorg.conf just: ls /etc/X11/
09:19<Debian4Ever>app-defaults default-display-manager rgb.txt xinit Xreset Xresources Xsession.d xsm Xwrapper.config
09:19<Debian4Ever>cursors fonts X xkb Xreset.d Xsession Xsession.options XvMCConfig
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09:20<musca>!empty xorg.conf
09:20<dpkg>Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
09:20<ptype>i messed up my postgres in jessie upgrade...i ran apt-get remove postgresql-9.1.. is my data in the db gone ?
09:21<sits>Debian4Ever: could you pastebin your log?
09:22<Debian4Ever>sits: which one ? I have no xorg.conf, btw.
09:22<sits>Debian4Ever: no xorg.conf is fine
09:22<sits>Debian4Ever: What does ls -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log say (we’ll check musca’s point in a moment)
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09:24<sits>Debian4Ever: still there? I’ll be going soon…
09:24<Debian4Ever>Btw, I used cat, not ls, here is the output:
09:24<sits>Debian4Ever: pastebin..
09:25<sits>musca: (I see a report saying that xorg logs in debian go to the old and the new place for now)
09:26<sits>Debian4Ever: ls -l /dev/dri/card0 ?
09:26<Debian4Ever>crw-rw----+ 1 root video 226, 0 Apr 26 12:46 /dev/dri/card0
09:27<musca>ptype: don't panic
09:27<ptype>hi musca
09:27<finetundra>good morning folks, what is the chance of losing saved files in the upgrade?
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09:28<sits>Debian4Ever: looks good
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09:28<sits>Debian4Ever: are you using gdm / GNOME?
09:28<musca>ptype: I'm not pg specialist, but a common location for the database files is /var/lib/pgsql/data
09:29<Debian4Ever>It's strange that only audio plays but no video but just in VLC, now iceweasl with utube, e.g. ...
09:29<Debian4Ever>*nit in iceweasel...
09:29<Debian4Ever>shit, typos, typos :) *not...
09:30<sits>Debian4Ever: are you using GDM and GNOME?
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09:30<Debian4Ever>KDE ;)
09:30<tremon>musca, ptype: /var/lib/postgresql/$version/
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09:31<tremon>ptype: you may want to read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz, especially the sections about cluster management and upgrading
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09:31<sits>Debian4Ever: OK
09:32<Debian4Ever>Btw, when I wanted to purge VLC, it said that many packs, almost all kde base with many apps would unistall also :O
09:32<sits>Debian4Ever: Can you type groups
09:32<Debian4Ever>Where ?
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09:32<sits>Debian4Ever: terminal
09:32<EmleyMoor>I've been trying to get dahdi to work on my jessie setup - even tried bringing back my old config from a backup - but it never gets anywhere. dahdi_genconf tells me I have no spans - how do I sort this?
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09:33<Debian4Ever>debian cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev saned vboxusers
09:33<paxmark9>finetundra, you didn't lose /home did you? what type of file system,
09:34<tremon>ptype: short of it, you need to have both the old and new versions of postgres installed to upgrade your databases to a new version. reinstalling an old version should not overwrite any existing clusters, but best to make a backup just in case
09:34<finetundra>paxmark9, I haven't done the upgrade yet. How do I check file system type?
09:34<sits>Debian4Ever: that looks good too
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09:34<ptype>tremon: thanks, reading it.. yes i think my mistake it i removed 9.1.. is there a way to get it back through apt ?
09:35<paxmark9>finetundra sudo gparted is nice and graphical
09:35<ptype>tremon; as i know just get 'Package 'postgresql-9.1' has no installation candidate' if i try to reinstall
09:35<Debian4Ever>sits: as mentioned - if I'd unistall VLC and in the same time system would uninstall all the kde base with many apps, if I'd change also sources list changing jessie keyword to wheezy, would this be a "downgrade" ?
09:35<tremon>ptype: yes, re-add (add, not repolace) wheezy back in your sources.list and apt-get update
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09:36<sits>Debian4Ever: I doubt it but that’s beyond my expertise anyway
09:36<sits>Debian4Ever: you’ve upgraded xorg and the kernel so changing the other pieces is unlikely to get you back to where you were
09:36<tremon>ptype: since all versions on your system are already newer than wheezy, that will not cause any issues for existing packages
09:36<finetundra>paxmark9, is there any other way?
09:37<tremon>finetundra: df -T
09:37<finetundra>tremon, and that does?
09:37<tremon>list all mounted filesystems and their fstype
09:37<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
09:37<Debian4Ever>Probably, after reboot I'd appear in teh CLI only where I'd need to install kde-base (with wheezy in source list) and install it all again...
09:38<tremon>ompaul: assuming that was for me, we're not downgrading anything. We're reinstalling a wheezy-only package
09:38<finetundra>paxmark9, ext4
09:38<ptype>tremon: thanks, trying...
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09:39<paxmark9>finetundra I assumed the worst. Back up home and anything else you nee, - probably no problems, but you never know.
09:39<Debian4Ever>dpkg: was VLC in an older ver. in Wheezy than 2.2.1 is in Jessie now ?
09:39<dpkg>Debian4Ever: what are you talking about?
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09:40<Debian4Ever>dpkg: I'm talking about, that if I couldn't proceed with my problem, I''' need to downgrade to Wheezy :-(
09:40<dpkg>Debian4Ever: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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09:41<ompaul>tremon: ooch
09:42<ptype>tremon: thanks, i'm connected to my 9.1 again :) !
09:43<phillipsjk>Debian4Ever, dpkg is a bot.
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09:43<Debian4Ever>phill: aha, ok :))
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09:44<sits>Debian4Ever: Last thing before I give up
09:45<sits>Debian4Ever: what does apt-get upgrade
09:45<tremon>ptype: good. Now do the pg_{ls,drop,create}clusters dance as described in the readme. Check the manpages if in doubt :)
09:45<Debian4Ever>ok, momment.
09:45<sits>Debian4Ever: say (don’t go through with it just curious if it mentions anything)
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09:45<tremon>err, upgrade, not create
09:46<Debian4Ever>I just said: The following packages have been kept back:
09:46<Debian4Ever> db5.1-util
09:46<sits>Debian4Ever: that’s the only one?
09:46<Debian4Ever>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
09:47<sits>Debian4Ever: I’m out of ideas. The permissions bit is strange though
09:47<sits>Debian4Ever: I do wonder if the DRI device simply doesn’t have quite the right permissions at the point Xorg is trying to access it and the xttrs are overriding everything else
09:47<EmleyMoor>I've tried following this: - but it leaves me with no dahdi channels
09:48<Debian4Ever>Btw, what card is tshat card0?
09:48<EmleyMoor>cd ..
09:48<sits>Debian4Ever: That’s your graphics card
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09:48<finetundra>also, is there a way to graphically run the update or does it have to be done via terminal?
09:48<sits>Debian4Ever: I’m guessing you have this problem every boot?
09:49<Debian4Ever>But the GPU seems be ok: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. Millennium G550 [102b:2527] (rev 01)
09:49<sits>Debian4Ever: (video is slow/doesn’t work)
09:49<sits>Debian4Ever: That’s the ID information for the card itself
09:49<sits>Debian4Ever: I don’t think your hardware is bad
09:49<sits>Debian4Ever: But I do wonder if the permissions are being set correctly on the “device node”
09:49<Debian4Ever>Shall I set a permisson or add myself to a group ? Btw, vlc cannot be run as root.
09:50<sits>Debian4Ever: You are already in the video group
09:50<Debian4Ever>Am I ? :)
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09:52<Debian4Ever>I've checked that, I am in video gr.
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09:53<finetundra>paxmark9, can you give me a summary, cause the gpu I have can't really run videos
09:53<Debian4Ever>Shall I add myself to another group, btw ? I can list in what all groups I am.
09:53<sits>Debian4Ever: no I don’t think adding yourself to any more groups will help us
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09:53<sits>Debian4Ever: OK one last thing
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09:54<sits>Debian4Ever: Could you log in to a VT as root and then do
09:54<sits>Debian does anything happen?
09:54<sits>Debian4Ever: does anything happen?
09:55<paxmark9>finetundra I did text for weston jessie net-install. default is graphical - I believe , I could be wrong.
09:56<ptype>tremon: thanks, upgrading is running!! (will probably take a while)
09:56<finetundra>paxmark9, are you talking about from a dvd or is there another way?
09:56<sits>Debian4Ever: nothing?
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09:59<Debian4Ever>X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
10:00<Debian4Ever>When I runned it with sudo :))) I've moved my ass to another console and being signed as rooot :) OMG, but it tried run a video with mplayer in CLI but again, no video, just audio :-(
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10:01<paxmark9>finetundra I do all my installs, debian, debian variant of sid, etc. via a usb stick . I prepare usb stick via dd.
10:02<EmleyMoor>dahdi_genconf says: Empty configuration -- no spans (three times) - this seems to be the "nub" of my problem...
10:02<finetundra>paxmark9, yes, but I'm trying to do this from an existing install
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10:06<Debian4Ever>Aha, I see now after some time/minutes, the msg continues with:
10:06<Debian4Ever>xinit: giving up
10:06<Debian4Ever>xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused
10:06<Debian4Ever>xinit: server error
10:06<Debian4Ever>Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console
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10:06<paxmark9>finetundra, oh not a clean install. please read more sources. apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade is the way too short answer that will get you into trouble some day. You also need to edit /etc/apt/source.lists. Manual is on debian site.
10:07<Debian4Ever>I supposed that only that 1st line thand it freezed like but then appearde some lines again, in cli.
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10:08<Debian4Ever>Btw, when it says "xinit: server error" as init.d was in Wheezy, isn't the problem with that there systemd in Jessie ?
10:08<finetundra>maxmark9, what would I have to change in the source list?
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10:09<finetundra>pxmark9, what would I have to change in the source list?
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10:09<finetundra>paxmark9, what would I have to edit in the source list
10:09<mtn>finetundra: To aim your comments at someone, type the first few letters of their nick and hit the tab key.
10:09<Debian4Ever>finetundra: probably just change wheezy word with jessie.
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10:10<finetundra>mtn, see I would except I'm logged in remotely and the tab key doesn't work right
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10:11<Debian4Ever>sits probably left...
10:12<sits>Debian4Ever: nearly
10:12<sits>Debian4Ever: Sorry it didn’t work out :-(
10:12<judd>Package: on amd64 -- sid: 1.3.3~dfsg1-2; experimental: 1.6.0+dfsg1-1~exp1
10:12<Debian4Ever>Have u read all the lines ?
10:13<Debian4Ever>It said about and xinit error...
10:13<finetundra>Debian4Ever, what do you mean change wheezy to jessie? wouldn't that cause things to break?
10:13<sits>Debian4Ever: I scanned them. I don’t think I’ve got anything that will resolve your problem for now
10:13<Debian4Ever>Nope: startx
10:13<Debian4Ever>X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
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10:13<Debian4Ever>xinit: giving up
10:13<Debian4Ever>xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused
10:13<Debian4Ever>xinit: server error
10:13<Debian4Ever>Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console
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10:15<Debian4Ever>And why when I want to purge VLC it says that many apps (almost all KDE base) will be uninstalled also ? :O Is VLC so bound with Jesiie or what ?
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10:16<centrx>How are you purging it
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10:16<Debian4Ever>centrx: I've tried: sudo apt-get purge vlc*
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10:17<Debian4Ever>But stopped it :)
10:17<SkOle>HI2ALL, is anybody install Jessy?
10:17<centrx>There are some metapackages that depend on vlc, but it doesn't look like the core of KDE does
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10:18<muep_>perhaps the only thing keeping kde on the system was some metapackage that also depends on vlc?
10:18<finetundra>SkOle, I'm planning on doing it shortly
10:19<SkOle>finetundra, when are you planing to do?
10:19<themill>by default kde uses vlc for sound management -- you'd need to install some other phonon-backend-* package if you want something else
10:19<finetundra>SkOle, as soon as my home folder is done backing up
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10:21<SkOle>finetundra, I was try to install, but I get freeze at dpkg prepearing (
10:21<finetundra>SkOle are you doing it from terminal or a fresh install?
10:21<SkOle>fresh install
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10:22<eh2321>hi. i am under debian testing trying to burn debian-8.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso (downloaded via jigdo, sha256 was correct) and both k3b and brasero fail (it seems they made 3 disks worthless already). k3b errors: . yesterday burning some other iso went fine... any hints on what/where the problem is/could be?
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10:23<hicks>I'm upgrading to jessie on a server and every so often the install will hang. It did it first restarting apache, never got a prompt to enter the ssl cert key when apache restarts so I guess it hung there. killing apache allowed it to continue, but then whilst unpacking javascript it hung again. Not sure why but it seems it tried to restart apache at that point so needed killing again.
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10:23<hicks>Not an issue as it's upgrading again now, but just in case anyone else runs into that thought I'd mention it.
10:24<finetundra>SkOle, um well I'm probably not going to give the best advice on that. But write it out as a question for the whole channel and the others may be able to help
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10:31<lord_rob>are there jessie (stable) live cds ?
10:31<Debian4Ever>Sits and all who have followed my problem's question: one friend adviced let me try simply change teh VLC settings output to X11 than leave the default settings. OMG, WTF, yep I tried and sh@#$%^&*! videos finally appears, OMG :)) As in the screenshot here:
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10:33<Debian4Ever>As u can see I've changed in the middle - right side of the screen from auto to X11, then restarted VLC athe sh***ty videos plays :)) Mods, give this crazy tip to some manuals :) So if someone would have same problem, could be thinking about downgrade :D
10:33<Debian4Ever>However, thanks to all for helping. Still love Debian :-)
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10:34<sits>Debian4Ever: glad you found a workaround
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10:35<Debian4Ever>But it's incredible that such stupid thing - setting would slap you and you couldn't move... :O Crazy, but not so crazy as using window$$ :P
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10:39<musca>lord_rob: yes
10:39<Debian4Ever>I have to play with the settings which output to choose due X11 makes lags a bit, but anyway it's better than just listening to audio with no video :)) Thanx again, nice rest of sunday ;-)
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10:52<musca>hi hi ENTJ-wiki
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10:52<musca>hi ENTJ-wiki
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10:53<ENTJ-wiki>hi all
10:53<ENTJ-wiki>anybody here?
10:53<ENTJ-wiki>welcom to Debian
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10:54<hazz>Can someone tips me ho to implement some modules on a .iso file?
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10:54<Brigo>hazz, .iso from cd or dvd image?
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10:55<hazz>Brigo:does it matter?
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10:56<hazz>i open a .iso with loop but how can i change some file then redo the .iso?
10:56<Brigo>hazz, yes cd or dvd images are readonly, if the image is from a disk with a fileystem like vfat or ext4 you can do it easely
10:57<Brigo>hazz, you have to copy the data out of the image, modify it and rebuild the iso, with a tool like mkisoimage (ifrc) or just use a dvd burner as brasero.
10:57<hazz>i downloaded the debian-8 distro but i need to do some change in the boot files
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10:58<Brigo>hazz, there is tools for doing that.
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10:59<Brigo>there is a help channel for that. debian-boot or debian-cd, i don't remeber.
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10:59<hazz>how mkisoimage can do a bootable iso?
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11:00<Brigo>hazz, i don't know how mkisoimage works.
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11:02<Brigo>hazz, there are both #debian-boot and #debian-cd channel. You can ask there
11:02<hazz>Brigo: thank you
11:03<Brigo>hazz, yw :)
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11:21<finetundra>quick question, to uprade the only thing that needs to be done is sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade right?
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11:24<sunbird>finetundra: after changing your sources.list to point to jessie and disabling third party repos.
11:24<finetundra>sunbird, explain?
11:24<sunbird>finetundra: right now, you are running wheezy, right?
11:25<sunbird>so that means when you run apt-get, it is looking only at the packages in wheezy, not jessie.
11:25<sunbird>so, you should edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and change the parts that says 'wheezy' to 'jessie'
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11:25<sunbird>and make sure you are only pulling official sources right now. disable any third party repos for now by adding a # to the beginning of the line.
11:26<sunbird>you should also check /etc/apt/sources.d/ and make sure there are no third-party repos listed there.
11:26<sunbird>finetundra: there's more detailed info here -->
11:27<finetundra>sunbird, how do I tell if something is third party or not
11:28<sunbird>finetundra: i would disable all of them except these for hte upgrade:
11:28<sunbird>deb jessie main contrib
11:28<sunbird>deb-src jessie main contrib
11:28<sunbird>deb jessie/updates main contrib
11:28<sunbird>deb-src jessie/updates main contrib
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11:29<sunbird>oops, sorry. i'll use pastebin next time. but anyway, finetundra, those should work.
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11:30<finetundra>sunbird, so anywhere it says wheezy I change it to jessie, yes?
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11:31<koosha>VLC is not working on Jessie. it immediately crashes after trying to play a file
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11:35<finetundra>sunbird, nothing happens when I hit sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. was I supposed to edit the sources before or after the upgrade
11:35<SynrG>before, obviously
11:35<sney>edit the sources first, THEN run apt-get update, THEN run apt-get dist-upgrade
11:35<SynrG>also you must 'apt-get update' after editing
11:36*sney makes a note to tell people to use 'apt edit-sources' as it reminds you to apt-get update after making changes
11:36<SynrG>this is why we have factoids to cover this :)
11:36<SynrG>dpkg: wheezy->jessie
11:36<dpkg>Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>.
11:36<SynrG>please use this one.
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11:37<finetundra>gah. I'm not thinking straight.
11:37<sunbird>finetundra: what SynrG said. :)
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11:39<finetundra>and its off
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11:47<awal>I have usually issues with so I changed my src.list and pointed it to " ..." and all fine for now. Is it a good idea? I'm just a bit confused about . debian wikki example says '' but in '' website it's says use 'http://httpredir.debian.or/debian ... So confused
11:48<awal>org ^
11:49<ompaul>awal: one = the other
11:49<awal>ompaul: excuse i no get you
11:49<ompaul>same effect
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11:50<ompaul>awal: they are the same machine doing the same job
11:50<awal>ok, ok. so ' ...' does the redirection, right?
11:51<ompaul>well both do the same
11:51<ompaul>it's less letters to remember
11:51<awal>ok, good. thanks for the clarification, ompaul
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11:57<awal>How to get verbose mode with apt-get update? 'apt-get -V update' doesn't work. I just want see where apt is redirected
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11:58<roberth1990>I use an uefi system, how do I figure out what gfxmodes in grub2 my machine supports?
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11:58<ompaul>apt-get update is verbose
12:00<awal>ompaul: ah, ok . I should investigate more about how the redirection using works
12:00<ompaul>awal: you mean the networking
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12:01<valdyn>awal: very easy, it gives you a different ip on each dns query
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12:01<valdyn>hmm, or that is not it
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12:02<awal>ompaul: I don't really what. networking maybe yeah. in website ---> demostration and return's "Had you requested a file to /debian/, you would have been sent to one of the following mirrors:"
12:03<awal>so debian. net is redirecting to ?
12:03<valdyn>awal: depending on your location
12:03<ompaul>awal: the idea is good bandwidth mirror near you
12:03<awal>if yes, that's what I want see when I run apt-get update
12:04<ompaul>run tcpdump
12:04<awal>valdyn: yes now I'm in Canada but I'm going to travel for several months and wanna check
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12:04<ompaul>so it will put you to your nearest
12:05<ompaul>awal: when you are on another network a different mirror might be more appropriate
12:05<awal>ompaul: yes, I understood that. what I want is see in terminal where is redirecting when running apt-get update
12:05<ompaul>you can run that web page wherever you are
12:06<awal>yeah, that's an option, yes.
12:07<awal>but see that in terminal, will be a good point
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12:07<sney>file a wishlist bug
12:07<awal>sney: +1
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12:18<f-a>hello, I need help with a bug report. I just installed jessie and a program (hbro) segfaults. Even with --verbose there is no other information. Is there any info I can squeeze out before filing the bug report?
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12:21<pred>7 hours in, and Jessie is up and running. Sweeeeet! :)
12:21<tremon>f-a: usually I'd tell you to install the relevant -debug packages, run it under gdb and provide a backtrace with symbols, but I'm not sure how useful that is for haskell programs. Maybe try it and see
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12:22<tremon>there's don't appear to be separate -dbg packages for either hbro or libghc
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12:22<f-a>argh, thanks tremon
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12:23<tremon>f-a: maybe also try asking #haskell on freenode, they'll probably know what info to include
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12:41<Beerbarian>I read it someplace and now can't find where. What is the recommended package to install after upgrade to Jessie for reboot notifications for packages that may require it?
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12:44<tremon>Beerbarian: I'm not using it, but update-notifier exists in both wheezy and jessie. Are you looking for something jessie-specific?
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12:45<sney>Beerbarian: checkrestart in debian-goodies is probably what you're looking for
12:46<tremon>argh. update-notifier got replaced by gnome-packagekit
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12:53<Beerbarian>Thank you. I'll check them out.
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12:54<jake_>Is Skype included in the Debian 8 repos?
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13:03<Rallias>If I'm installing debian from the netinstall basic graphics installer, is there a way to move partitions?
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13:04<sney>diskpart doesn't have advanced partition editing features, unless they were added recently
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13:05<Rallias>Meh, I can move them post-inst.
13:06<sney>yeah, or use a parted livecd prior, etc
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13:09<Rallias>Problem is, I've only got one flash drive, and I don't particularily feel like updating grub files.
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13:09<sney>well if the extra partitions aren't in the way of the install then your way is just fine
13:10<Rallias>Realistically, debian is fine installing on 180 gb, the extra 120 gb that's unformatted can be taken later.
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13:11<sney>indeed. most of my production OS volumes are quite a lot smaller than 120GB
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13:16<Rallias>Heh, for me it's personal, not production.
13:17<Rallias>I'm just clicking 2 shoes and wishing for kernel 3.19.2+
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13:20<^^^Red^^^> /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie
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13:21<^^^Red^^^>Hello, what is the command to see the errors in terminal in origianl language?
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13:23<awal>I just knew that jessie is released. hhhmmm, GREEEEAAAT news :)
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13:23<awal>So testing (next new stable release) is started yet ?
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13:24<soundconjurer>I just wish Debian 8 universally handled Asians characters like Debian 7 did.
13:24<awal>^^^Red^^^: original language? you mean english (en_US)?
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13:26<^^^Red^^^>I'm Italian and for search, and maybe ask some help here, i need the exact error
13:27<awal>^^^Red^^^: just put "LANG=C" before each command . example: after # or $ "LANG=C apt-get update && LANG=C apt-get upgrade"
13:27<^^^Red^^^>awal, k thx
13:27<^^^Red^^^>i've forget that
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13:28<awal>thats temporary . for enable it as default check the wiki. it's there
13:29<^^^Red^^^>awal, y, i need it temporary
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13:41<awal>I just want to confirm: Jessie i386 image have fully official support for installation in UEFI mode?
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13:50<^^^Red^^^>Damn me and my idea to update the server :(
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13:54<Ir0nsh007er>yep red
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13:57<gaffa>I often see the words update and modern being mistaken for the word better :P
13:57<gaffa>^^^Red^^^; What's the problem?
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13:58<^^^Red^^^>after updating to jessie, problem with ISPConfig, that is no more visible
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13:59<^^^Red^^^>reinstall it at all
14:00<^^^Red^^^>but some problems goes up, for example installi quota says me thta there a --configure error
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14:23<jhutchins>awal: EFI support has been in Linux for at least ten years.
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14:26<UpgradingToJessie>Yay, upgrading ancient desktop box to Jessie… Too little disk space, really ought to repartition it, back in 2003 11GB for / seemed like ample, now I have to cull junior-games*, iceweasel, icedove and inkscape and Libreoffice to get the second step of the upgrade to fit the free space….
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14:29<jhutchins>UpgradingToJessie: Why not just one partition for everything?
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14:31<awal>jhutchins: as I know , for Wheezy only debian amd64 supports installation in UEFI mode. But it seems that now also i386 supports installation in uefi mode (not old bios), regarding jessie release news
14:31<awal>so, fine :)
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14:33<jhutchins>People have been installing on Intel Macs since they came out, and PPCs before that, and I belive s390 has always been EFI.
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14:36<sney>the stumbling block is that every intel pc vendor seems to have a different idea of what UEFI should be like, so support varies.
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14:39<muep_>my impression is that 32-bit EFI machines are quite uncommon
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14:39<sney>though one can still do a 32-bit install on a 64-bit machine, I know that's popular with some xen setups
14:40<awal>my machine supports both i386 and amd64. but for now (jessie) I'll just use installation in bios mode. that's the best choice probably for avoid bugs and unnecessary manual fixes being my machine for work use
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14:44<muep_>from somewhere, I got the impression that a 64-bit EFI can not automatically just run a bootloader that is intended for 32-bit EFI
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14:58<ninj>Hi guys, my wheezy installation failed in installing the GRUB, anyone has a hint?
14:59<sney>if you press alt-f4 there may be a more verbose error on the console
14:59<sney>but if this is a new install, install jessie, it was just released
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15:01<^^^Red^^^>Hello, someone can help me? after update server from wheezy 7.7.0 to latest jessie I had problems with ISPConfig, i can't reach it anymore neither on localhost: after reinstalled and purged all, I've reinstalled ISConfig, but still not work, then tried to update to see what happen. Here the code:
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15:01<ninj>oh I forgot, it is stable now
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15:02<Rallias_>ninj That's awfully close to saying "Oh, I forgot, it's 2015 now."
15:02<sney>^^^Red^^^: I would contact ispconfig upstream and ask them.
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15:02<ninj>Rallias_: well, that happens too though
15:03<ninj>anyway, makes sense that I abort the installation and start anew with jessie, thanks
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15:07<^^^Red^^^>sney, how is the command for debug? i rember is something like 8 level of errors, maybe i can reach where the problem is
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15:11<sney>^^^Red^^^: ispconfig isn't in debian last I checked. nor have I ever used it. again, ask ispconfig's upstream or look in their manual, etc
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15:17<xmt>just upgraded to jessie and aptitude didn't install systemd for me O_o
15:17<finetundra>what happens if power is lost during an upgrade
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15:18<soundconjurer>[drm:cpt_serr_int_handler] *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun <--- Is that an error I should worry about?
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15:24<centrx>finetundra, depends on when it happens
15:24<finetundra>centrx, lets assume that it's most of the way through
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15:26<centrx>finetundra, then it should be fine, you just need to run some commands like apt-get install or dpkg --configure -a to get it going again and clean up after it self
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15:27<centrx>finetundra, if it happens at the same time as libc6 or dpkg are installing, you may have a much more difficulty task
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15:28<finetundra>centrx, and how would you tell if the update finished if you couldn't see it ?
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15:29<centrx>finetundra, if you run apt-get install and dpkg --configure -a and they don't do anything, it probably finished
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15:30<centrx>finetundra, you can also run this: dpkg -l |grep -v "^ii"
15:30<centrx>finetundra, will show any partially installed/partially configured packages
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15:36<kidx>I need help
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15:36<kidx>I installed Debian 8 sid i tihnk and after installing it wont boot at all
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15:38<kidx>now i cant get the os to boot and n othing is working right all i want is a stable latest stuff like obs-stuido steam skype you name it with Debian stablility
15:38<musca>hello kidx
15:38<valdyn>kidx: where did you install the bootloader on installation?
15:38<kidx>to my HDD
15:38<valdyn>kidx: thats not helpful
15:38<kidx>i am on live disk now
15:38<kidx>well i installed it to my hard drive
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15:39<valdyn>kidx: im not asking what you think you did, im asking what you selected or typed in the debian installer
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15:39<kidx>i am telling you what i did
15:39<kidx>not what i tihnk i should do
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15:39<valdyn>kidx: no, not literally
15:39<kidx>yes literlly
15:40<kidx>i am doing as i tell you now
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15:40<sney>kidx: when the debian installer gets to the bootloader stage it asks if you want to install to the MBR. did you select Yes or No
15:40<kidx>i am about to install ill ask you what i shoudl do you tell me ok
15:40<valdyn>kidx: sure, go ahead
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15:41<kidx>what i get is option to manully install or choose a hdd
15:41<valdyn>kidx: thats probably easier than reconstructing what you did before
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15:41<kidx>do i need a network mirror
15:41<kidx>yes or no?
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15:42<kidx>i am in canada whats the best to choose
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15:42<kidx>anything under canada
15:42<kidx>i am in windsor
15:42<valdyn>kidx: its not that important
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15:42<kidx>ok thanks
15:42<sney>pick something obviously in ontario, or, or whatever, north america mirrors are all pretty quick
15:43<kidx>yorku sounds liek york universty in toronto
15:43<valdyn>httpd.d.o gives *me* the perfect mirror, maybe that cannot be selected though
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15:43<sney>kidx: that would be correct
15:44<kidx>ill use that i get 20 ping to toronto
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15:44<kidx>boot loader time
15:44<kidx>i can enter the device manually
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15:44<valdyn>or you can select what?
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15:44<kidx>or install to sda or sdb
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15:45<kidx>thats all
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15:45<valdyn>kidx: i would pick *both*
15:45<kidx>how can i do that
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15:45<valdyn>kidx: there's 2 ways, enter both manually or pick one, select "go back", pick otherone
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15:45<kidx>enter manually
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15:46<kidx>how do i enter both
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15:46<valdyn>your bios may be booting sda or b first, we cannot tell
15:46<kidx>just windering
15:47<valdyn>like i said?
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15:47<kidx>/dev/sda i did that
15:47<valdyn>the installer probably sais comma-separated or whatever it is, i dont know
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15:47<valdyn>do sdb too
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15:49<kidx>it faild
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15:49<kidx>do i need quotes
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15:50<valdyn>kidx: no
15:50<valdyn>kidx: *no*
15:50<kidx>/dev/sdc5, /dev/sdc5
15:50<valdyn>kidx: sdc5 is wrong
15:50<kidx>like that
15:50<kidx>i know
15:50<kidx>i need an example
15:50<sney>no number
15:50<valdyn>kidx: /dev/sda /dev/sdb
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15:51<kidx>ok there
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15:51<kidx>it went through
15:51<kidx>time for a test ok
15:51<SynrGy>ah, heh. kicked the wrong version of cooldude :)
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15:52<kidx>thanks for all your help
15:52<kidx>I hope this works
15:52<kidx>if not ill be sad
15:52<kidx>ok brb
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16:00<ptype>tremon: thanks, problem sorted
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16:02<kidx>I am getting busy box issues
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16:02<kidx>first it tells me i need non free
16:02<sney>remember that #debian is not at your computer with you, so if you have a problem, you need to describe it in detail.
16:03<sney>busybox doesn't need any firmware. what do you see exactly?
16:03<kidx>ok i boot up it says please wait
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16:03<kidx>then it says i need the none-free-firmware
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16:03<orion>edit your sources.list to include non-free
16:04<kidx>ok fine i can install that later but it goe into this busybox stuff
16:04<sney>does your system boot, otherwise? do you get to a login prompt?
16:04<kidx>my system dont boot
16:04<orion>then do update
16:04<kidx>it hangs at this interframs thing
16:04<kidx>i think it is
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16:04<kidx>and repeats that and sys press help
16:04<kidx>at top under busy box
16:05<kidx>i dont even make it to desktop or login
16:05<kidx>at all
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16:05<kidx>debian 8 looks very nice
16:06<sney>are there any error messages, like 'could not mount root filesystem' or anything else?
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16:06<kidx>i can retry it
16:06<kidx>and right down everything i dont have a second pc to do anything
16:07<sney>can you take a picture and upload it
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16:07<kidx>let me see if i can find one
16:07<sney>if you have a phone or something handy
16:08<kidx>no phone
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16:08<orion>Also try booting off a live usb and see if you get the same issue, if you boot successfully with live cd try chrooting into the fs thats not booting properly.
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16:08<kidx>i am on live
16:08<kidx>live is fine
16:09<kidx>somthing liek that happens but no mount failed
16:09<kidx>so i dont know
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16:10<sney>yeah, see above, it can't find the hard drive that you installed to
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16:10<kidx>no i dont get that
16:10<kidx>i get the busy box
16:10<kidx>but no HDD issues
16:10<sney>so this is just a random screenshot from someone else? :/
16:10<orion>looks like the uuid for the drive is wrong. you might ahve to fix in fstab
16:10<sney>busybox is not an error.
16:10<kidx>what is it
16:11<kidx>i dont understand all i want is to install an os
16:11<Rallias_>So... I'm having troubles getting icedove autodetecting my mail account... <- What am I doing wrong?
16:11<orion>are you getting the same message "failed: no such device"
16:11<kidx>how do i do this
16:11<sney>it's a backup shell that the system uses before it loads the full OS. if your boot is stalling on busybox then something has gone wrong, but the information we need is ABOVE the busybox prompt
16:11<kidx>let me retry ok
16:11<sney>orion: please pay attention, that's not even his screenshot
16:11<ompaul>Rallias_: me@domainname?
16:12<kidx>sney let me reboot and try and see if its the drive
16:12<Rallias_>ompaul, Everything I manually entered is correct. I'm not sure the port and auth config.
16:12<kidx>if so then i made a mistake some place
16:12<sney>kidx: just take a note of the messages that come up before busybox...
16:12<kidx>once again
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16:13<NoNameUser123>Hello. I'm trying to install Debian via UEFI mode. Old installation images worked really well, but some weeks ago it started not handling UEFI well, despite saying that it does. Right now my 8.0.0 image doesn't boot, unless via Legacy BIOS (it installs). Via UEFI it shows me a grub terminal right after selecting the bootable media. So how can I proceed to install it via UEFI?
16:13<ompaul>Rallias_: well the auto should actually work given what I've seen in the paste
16:13<sney>NoNameUser123: any chance secure boot got enabled somehow?
16:13<NoNameUser123>Not enabled.
16:13<sney>cmos reset, e.g.
16:13<NoNameUser123>UEFI boot, not secure.
16:13<Rallias_>Yeah, I know, _should_, but for some reason it's not.
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16:14<Rallias_>Oh, never mind, I got myself on fail2ban.
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16:15<sney>NoNameUser123: by old installation images you mean wheezy? or previous versions of the jessie installer? both?
16:15<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>.
16:15<NoNameUser123>sney: Previous testing images (Jessie).
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16:16<sney>interesting. do you still have a previous (working) d-i? can you reproduce it reliably with the old and new installers? if so that's a bug
16:16<NoNameUser123>Let me see here...
16:16<NoNameUser123>Just a moment
16:16<NoNameUser123>I'll get the date of the old image
16:17<NoNameUser123>It's pretty old
16:17<NoNameUser123>20 march 2013
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16:19<sney>still, if efi reliably works with that one and not the stable installer, it's a bug and should be reported
16:20<NoNameUser123>I understand
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16:20<NoNameUser123>How can I proceed to give more information to fill the bug report?
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16:21<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,, or see for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>.
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16:22<NoNameUser123>sney: Thanks for the help!
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16:22<Ryccardo>Is there a way to make policykit follow sudo's saved password cookie?
16:22<valdyn>So now in jessie cold-pluggin of md raid is broken, hotplugging works, modern times:
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16:23<suymax>hi there. Monodevelop is not working in AntiX MX-14 why?
16:23<orion>welcome back
16:24<kidx>ok here is my issues
16:24<sney>suymax: this is #debian, antix isn't supported here.
16:24<kidx>Error Radeon Kernel modesetting
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16:24<suymax>ok. Thank you.
16:24<ompaul>kidx: please type it all on one line, what you are using, what you did, what you expected what actually happened
16:24<sney>radeon kms won't keep the system from booting, it'll just give you weird graphics modes until you install firmware
16:25<kidx>missing modules cat/proc/moduels ls/dev
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16:25<sney>ompaul: new install fails to boot and gives him a busybox prompt. now we're hopefully getting the errors that caused it
16:25<kidx>Alert! /dev/mapper/debian--vg-root does not exist dropping to shell
16:26<sney>and there it is
16:26<kidx>modprobe: module echi-orion not found
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16:26<ompaul>sney: ;-) so the disk is not set up right but ... what is it
16:26<kidx>in modules
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16:27<sney>kidx: what kind of computer is this?
16:27<kidx>workstaion dell percision 490
16:27<sney>hm. should be normal enough.
16:28<kidx>i have a raptor HD 1tb 10,0000 rpm
16:28<sney>that's a lot of rpms.
16:28<kidx>and a seagate 1tb 7200
16:28<kidx>velocial raptro man
16:28<kidx>cost 300 bucks CAD
16:29<sney>I don't know how to troubleshoot LVM since I've only used it once, and without issues. but I think this might be an LVM problem.
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16:29<orion>Kidx, do you get any errors along the lines of invalid uuid?
16:29<orion>fresh install?
16:29<kidx>never seen uuid lmao
16:29<kidx>i can reinstall
16:29<sney>with lvm, it wouldn't use disk UUIDs since everything would be /dev/mapper
16:29<kidx>with your help on partinioning
16:30<kidx>want me to do that
16:30<sney>kidx: just use the 'guided' mode without LVM this time.
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16:31<sney>kidx: actually,
16:31<kidx>i get this when loading installer
16:31<kidx>mount: mounting /dev/fd0 on /media failed: No such device or address
16:31<kidx>umount: can't umount /media: Invalid argument
16:31<sney>fd0 what
16:31<kidx>thats when loading the nstaller lol
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16:31<kidx>i am confused i only know sda and sdb
16:32<sney>well it shouldn't be a big deal since your machine most likely doesn't have a floppy drive anyawy
16:32<Ryccardo>fd0 is what's commonly called "A:" in dos/windows
16:32<kidx>it does
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16:32<sney>oh, so that's just a seek fail. nothing to worry about.
16:32<sney>I would suggest disconnecting the hard drive that you're NOT installing debian on, so there's only 1 hard drive connected during the install. should make things simpler with partitioning and the bootloader
16:33<orion>kidx: have you tried following the procedure outlined here?
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16:34<sney>orion: unlikely since that's not the same error and this isn't ubuntu
16:35<Darby_Crash>hi to all
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16:35<Darby_Crash>i'm a jessie user and have a problem with my wifi card
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16:36<Darby_Crash>my machine is acer aspire one d260
16:36<orion>can you provide the output from lspci?
16:36<Darby_Crash>02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
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16:36<jhutchins>Darby_Crash: Once more with -nn
16:37<dpkg>b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. #bcm-users on For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>.
16:38<orion>Darby_Crash: please make sure the correct firmware is installed.
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16:38<Darby_Crash>i've installed firmware-brcm80211
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16:39<Darby_Crash>and blacklisted blacklist b43
16:39<Darby_Crash>blacklist b43legacy
16:39<Darby_Crash>blacklist bcma
16:39<Darby_Crash>blacklist wl
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16:40<Darby_Crash>and blacklisted blacklist b43 b43legacy bcma wl
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16:41<Darby_Crash>*and blacklisted b43 b43legacy bcma wl
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16:42<Darby_Crash>after that i've added modules to the blacklist.conf file my netbook's wifi don't working
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16:43<Darby_Crash>i have added to modules.conf brcmsmac
16:43<Darby_Crash>now wifi work
16:43<cra>Darby_Crash which model do u have?
16:43<cra>ok fine..
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16:44<Ryccardo>cra: a 4313, you missed it by 5 seconds :)
16:44<cra>Ryccardo :D
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16:45<Darby_Crash>but if i lost connection i can't retrieve my ssid
16:45<Ryccardo>at least it's not a 4331... it was unstable with b43, didn't work at all on 3.15+ with wl
16:45<Darby_Crash>i must do a reboot
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16:46<sney>broadcom wifi is really a mess.
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16:47<sney>if I ever wound up with a machine that had broadcom wifi, I'd probably rip it out and find another compatible nic
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16:47<Ryccardo>broadcom anything, for that matter -- we don't have open firmware for the raspberry either
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16:48<Ryccardo>problem with my 4331 is that it's only made with a proprietary connector, although it's still pci express + usb2
16:49<Ryccardo>so I went out, bought a crimper, 25 m of ethernet cable and 4 plugs...
16:49<Darby_Crash>i've installed laptop-mode-tools
16:49<sney>wired is always better anyway
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16:49<Darby_Crash>and disabled power saving
16:49<Darby_Crash>in the configuration file
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16:51<UpgradingToJessie>jhutchins: oh at the time partitioning made a kind of sense, back then there was spare space in the partition to reallocate. It was an unusual desktop in its day, probably explains why it is still just about tolerable 12 years on.
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16:52<orion>Anyone have any recommendations on a chat server & chat webclient for a server?
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16:52<orion>I'm new to this whole irc thing..
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16:53<orion>key kidx, how'd it go?
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16:54<kidx>still working on it
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16:54<kidx>whats this mean?
16:54<kidx>kidx sets mode +i on kidx
16:54<sney>just some internal irc stuff
16:54<kidx>i am not ready to be a mod
16:54<centrx>you're invisible
16:54<kidx>how am i invisible
16:54<kidx>i am in here lmao
16:55<centrx>you don't show up in general lists
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16:55<centrx>it's a default setting on OFTC
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16:55<kidx>oh ok
16:55<sney>makes it harder for spambots to find you, etc
16:55<kidx>i am happy with this community
16:56<ziptie>Anyone got any ideas on a service reporting failed but starts the process and works?
16:56*Ryccardo brb
16:56<kidx>all i need is to install this and install obs and steam along with skype
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16:56<sney>any progress with your install?
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16:57<orion>oy >_X skype
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16:58<kidx>i am gona reboot
16:58<kidx>and test ok
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17:01<UpgradingToJessie>Hmm, first Jessie upgrade didn't shut down LVM cleanly when powering down afterwards… Still I was quietly relieved it booted to fsck.
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17:04<kidx>still same error
17:05<kidx>i am very frustrated
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17:05<kidx>could it be 2 hard drivers?
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17:06<sney>it still has the /dev/mapper message even though you installed without LVM? that sounds like it's booting something else
17:06<kidx>i am gona upgrade live install
17:07<kidx>and then install
17:07<kidx>if i install ubuntu now it will work %100
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17:07<kidx>but i dont want ubuntu
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17:07<kidx>I want the real deal Debian
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17:09<sney>disconnect the hard drive that isn't getting your debian install. when you get to the partitioner, use manual mode and delete any partitions from previous attempts, then make 1 partition for everything and install to it. when it gets to the bootloader, say Yes when it asks if you want to install to the master boot record.
17:09<kidx>let me install gparted
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17:31<kidx>i am bored
17:31<kidx>wish this would install right
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17:32<sney>you could try installing wheezy and then upgrading.
17:32<kidx>i am so bored i am watching the luckiest winner in the price is right lmao
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17:32<kidx>i cant i have to install a os to burn off stuff
17:33<kidx>could be just the gnome version
17:33<kidx>ok here is the truth
17:33<kidx>here we go brb
17:33<kidx>if this dont work i am gona go crazy
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17:35<Ryccardo>Ha, nice, Jessie finds my router and Arch Linux doesn't (tp-link wn722/ath9k)
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17:39<orion>I've had issues with debian and WPA Enterprise networks before. Solution: use wpa-supplicant
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17:40<orion>try different methods of authenticating to the network
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17:52<kidx>back still not working
17:52<kidx>i do ahve a usb drive
17:52<kidx>how can i make a usb drive install
17:52<orion>kidx, did you try finding the drive through the initramfs shell?
17:52<orion>and booting from it manually
17:52<kidx>i am getting tired
17:53<kidx>i tihnk its got to do with burning to dvd
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17:53<kidx>or cd
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17:53<kidx>its not installing right
17:53<kidx>debina 8 is a no go here
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17:53<kidx>any how thanks for your help on this i am sol
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17:54<orion>yes i know its listed for ubuntu but believe me the initramfs commands stay the same. You'll find (if you have experience in sh/bash) that it's not that difficult
17:54<kidx>is there another version i can tru and make a usb bootable?
17:54<finetundra>kidx, if you want to make a live usb try unetbootin. it's on every platform and usually works quite well
17:55<kidx>can you link me to iso's please
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17:55<orion>or if creating one from within a unix env: dd bs=4M if=<debian iso> of=/dev/sdX; sync
17:56<orion>where sdX is the file corresponding to your usb
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17:56<orion>kidx: you using stable or testing?
17:56<orion>also what architecture?
17:56<kidx>i want the latest
17:56<kidx>i want everything the latest
17:57<kidx>or pae32
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17:57<sney>debian testing and unstable are not really usable this quickly after a release so debian 8 is what you want
17:57<kidx>pae32 would be nice casue ti would casue no issues
17:57<kidx>can u get debian 8 pae32
17:58<kidx>i just want latest software liek bleeding edge stable
17:58<kidx>i tihnk jessie is that
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17:58<sney>debian 32-bit x86 is PAE ever since debian 6
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17:59<kidx>so what yor saying is its pae meaning i dont have a ram limit?
17:59<sney>well, there's a limit but it's large
17:59<kidx>how do i install unetbootin
18:00<kidx>on debin 8
18:00<sney>don't use unetbootin, it's not supported for debian
18:00<sney>finetundra: don't suggest unetbootin, it screws up the installer
18:00<kidx>i am confused
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18:00<finetundra>sney, really? I've never had issues with it
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18:01<sney>finetundra: lucky you but I've seen many people with failed installs
18:01<kidx>unetbootin no unetbootin what do i use?
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18:01<sney>don't use unetbootin for debian. that is the official story.
18:01<finetundra>kidx, don't use unetbootin i guess
18:01<kidx>then what
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18:01<kidx>your really helping me here lol
18:01<sney>debian ISO images can be written directly to usb without modification
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18:02<kidx>how is that
18:02<kidx>i dont understand how
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18:02<sney>so just download the iso and write it to usb, using cat from linux or win32 disk imager from windows, whichever one you're on
18:02<kidx>i am used to the ubuntu way east everything
18:02<kidx>i never done this
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18:02<kidx>i dont know what cat is
18:02<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
18:02<finetundra>kidx, do you happen to have a blank dvd?
18:03<kidx>i just recently became able to use usb
18:03<kidx>i dont wanan use dvd
18:03<kidx>there are reading issues i tihnk
18:03<kidx>so many issues
18:03<finetundra>kidx, I know, but It'd be easier so long as you have a dvd drive
18:03<kidx>ill just use another distro
18:04<kidx>i never new there was so many issues with this
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18:04<kidx>i always ahve issues with debian
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18:05<kidx>unles the 32bit works i dont know
18:05<finetundra>well good luck then'
18:05<sney>usually it just works. every now and then there's some weird hardware that causes problems. hard to predict but we're always trying to make it better.
18:05<kidx>i am still waiting for the 32bit
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18:05<kidx>i badley wanan use this
18:05<kidx>you dont know
18:05<kidx>i just want stability
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18:05<kidx>with all my stuff support io use
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18:06<kidx>if your distro dont support my hardware nothing i can do
18:06<sney> could try one of the debian live images, they have a different installer
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18:06<finetundra>well, you could go to another debian based distro
18:06<sney>might work better, worth a shot etc
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18:06<kidx>or what ever its called
18:06<kidx>that is great
18:06<kidx>i hear they work with you guys
18:07<kidx>are you guys the makers of debian
18:07<sney>every day there's a new derivative that even the bot has never heard of
18:07<kidx>i wanted a bleeding edge one
18:07<sney>just another user, with a lot of experience
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18:07<sney>might become a developer some day who knows
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18:07<kidx>i really want a bleeding edge jessie debian 8 style one
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18:07<sney>kidx: the trick is, you can't have bleeding edge and stable on the same system
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18:07<sney>you have to pick one
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18:08<finetundra>arch is fairly bleeding edge but you may have stability issues
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18:08<sney>stability comes with time and work
18:08<kidx>i agree
18:08<kidx>booting up
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18:08<kidx>ok jessie would be the middle ground correct
18:08<sney>because it's a brand new stable release, yeah kinda
18:09<sney>it's certainly bleeding edge enough to support like 98% of hardware people throw at it
18:09<kidx>jessie is like latestes stuff
18:09<finetundra>so that would mean that sid is testing then, yeah?
18:09<centrx>sid is eternal unstable
18:09<sney>sid is always unstable. the new testing is codenamed "stretch"
18:09<kidx>so can you recond mend me a jessie based distro
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18:09<kidx>since jessie is what 8 is on
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18:10<kidx>i would liek a modernday look
18:10<sney>kidx: try one of the live images I linked above if your 32-bit install doesn't work. otherwise, I think Mint is popular. but I'm a debian user so I have 0 real experience with using or installing the derivatives
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18:10<finetundra>kidx, there is always ubuntu, mint is also good.
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18:10<kidx>i dont want those
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18:10<kidx>Debian is what i always wanted
18:11<kidx>no bs inbetweeen and stright original you know
18:11<finetundra>more or less
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18:11<kidx>no LXQT
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18:12<kidx>is this KDE 5.0
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18:12<kidx>or 5.2 sorry
18:12<sney>,v kde
18:12<kidx>or is it 4.14
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18:12<sney>it's 5.x
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18:13<kidx>going with that
18:13<kidx>KDE i never have issues
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18:14<kidx>so kde is themed for debian and everything
18:14<kidx>does it have the bouncy icons enabled?
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18:15<kidx>wait ill try mate i hate the mate minimze animation the black square
18:16<sney>whatever you want, man, and when you get the system installed you can change your mind anyway
18:16<kidx>if i ever get it installed
18:16<kidx>Debian 4 life
18:17<kidx>i always want this
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18:17<kidx>just could not get it working good and also the confusion over what to download from the site is crazy
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18:20<kidx>i only have 902mb free
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18:20<kidx>on flash
18:21<kidx>mate is 1.1 would it fit?
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18:22<blast007>are you trying to install to the USB or from the USB?
18:22<kidx>trying to install to usb i wanna make a bootable usb install
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18:23<finetundra_>hey guys
18:23<blast007>then you're gonna need a 2GB or larger stick for the live images with a GUI
18:24<kidx>then ill go with a smakler distro
18:24<kidx>any how thanks for everything
18:24<kidx>i dont need 2g distro
18:24<kidx>i need a 700mb distro
18:24<kidx>800mb max
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18:25<finetundra_>how do I get the upgrade to display on a different terminal
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18:27<finetundra_>or how do I tell if the upgrade is still in progress
18:27<Brigo>finetundra_, you would have to redirect the output to that terminal.
18:27<finetundra_>Brigo and that is done how?
18:27<Brigo>finetundra_, apt-get upgrade is quite verbose.
18:28<Brigo>something like apt-get upgrade > /dev/tty5
18:28<finetundra_>I get this E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
18:28<finetundra_>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
18:28<finetundra_> if I try to run apt-get update
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18:30<jhutchins>finetundra_: Are you running it as root?
18:30<jhutchins>ps ax will show you all running processes, the upgrade process may be near the bottom.
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18:32<finetundra_>what am I looking for
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18:33<jhutchins>finetundra_: If you run the upgrade in screen and loose connection, you can re-connect.
18:34<jhutchins>finetundra_: The problem is when it wants to ask something and waits for an answer.
18:34<finetundra_>version reads as 8 in sysinfo. would it be safe to restart my machine?
18:35<jhutchins>finetundra_: if there are no upgrade/apt/dpkg processes running, you can delete the lock file and run aptitude -f upgrade to make sure everything's complete.
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18:35<kidx>later guys thanks for the help
18:35<finetundra_>kidx, bye fella
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18:37<finetundra_>jhutchins, this 0:01 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 21 --configure libfcgi-perl shows up. is that a running dpkg process
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18:38<finetundra_>so does this 0:01 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 21 --configure libfcgi-perl
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18:40<finetundra_>jhutchins, is that anything to worry about?
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19:34<danlamanna>is there a jessie image for nonfree firmware somewhere?
19:35<danlamanna>er, including nonfree firmware
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19:37<themill>!firmware image
19:37<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from . See also <install guide>.
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19:38<Osmel>Hi everybody, someone tried apt-get dist-upgrade today?
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19:38<cyberbob>I have Osmel
19:38<Osmel>And everything OK?
19:39<cyberbob>Yeah, it's been great. Just upgraded my wheezy VM, and did an 8.0 fresh install on macbook air
19:39<Osmel>I had some dependences issue and stop in the middle of the way?
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19:40<sney>Osmel: was that an upgrade from wheezy to jessie? did you have any 3rd party repositories enabled? those don't tend to take upgrades well
19:40<cyberbob>So what I do is apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, then I rebooted, then edited my sources.list did my apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
19:40<cyberbob>I only had the Debian repos enabled
19:41<Osmel>Ok, let me try, thanks.
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19:42<themill>If you're upgrading from wheezy to jessie, you really should look through the release notes.
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19:45<cyberbob>+1 for reading release notes
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19:45<Osmel>Yes I am upgrading from wheezy to jessie. My question is in my source.list main contrib non-free which one, only main or can i use all of them
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19:47<Brigo>Osmel, you use what you suit you.
19:48<Brigo>Osmel, you use what suit you.
19:48<Brigo>Osmel, of course main. contrib and non-free are optional if you need them.
19:48<Osmel>Yea I'll try only with main first.
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19:51<Osmel>It is strange, the problem packages are bluez and gnome-bluetooth. If you check this and this both relates to jessie you can find some versions misunderstand
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19:52<jgalt>just installed ltsp-server-standalone. it ALMOST works. first issue is after package installation I can't get name resolution on the host to work. second is when I pxe boot a client there is evidence of pxelinux trying to load but then I see "connection refused" repeated ad infintium. how can I fix these issues?
19:52<sney>Osmel: you can always remove trouble packages and install them again after the upgrade
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19:54<Osmel>Yes, I already removed using dpkg but apt-get insists in bring them back
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19:57<sney>Osmel: remove them with apt-get, then. there's probably some metapackage keeping them installed. might even be gnome, but you can remove the 'gnome' metapackage without removing the desktop environment
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19:59<danlamanna>themill: thanks.. after having this laptop forever i just realized i was experiencing
19:59<danlamanna>themill: now i can stop using the nonfree isos altogether.
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20:03<Osmel>Thanks sney. I'm trying the first suggestion from cyberbob. Then I' ll try this one if i need.
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20:12<SamB_laptop>so my core.img seems to have grown to the point where it doesn't fit before an FS starting at sector 63 ...
20:13<SamB_laptop>... that was "fun" to deal with ...
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20:16<SamB_laptop>(in upgrading from wheezy to jessie)
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20:36<finetundra>so, can I ask a question about xrdp?
20:36<Brigo>finetundra, as far as you are using debian, of course :)
20:37<finetundra>how do I fix my mouse being an x instead of a cursor. It was just fine prior to the upgrade
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20:57<Timoteo>so… I appears that after upgrading to jessie, xen domU's won't start anymore, since /usr/lib/xen-4.4/bin/qemu-dm is missing… can't find it in any other place in the system or package either… am I missing something obvious? or was it simply forgotten to be bundled with xen-utils? (it still seems to have been in xen-utils-4.1, but downgrading seems impossible)
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21:00<Brigo>Timoteo, there is no /usr/lib/xen-4.4/bin/qemu-dm file in jessie at all :-/
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21:02<Brigo>Timoteo, i have never used xen, so i cannot help much further
21:02<Timoteo>thanks anyway :)
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21:05<abrotman>judd: file bin/qemu-dm --release jessie
21:05<judd>No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
21:05<abrotman>judd: file bin/qemu --release jessie
21:05<judd>No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
21:06<abrotman>neat ..
21:06<abrotman>Timoteo: there is a #debian-xen
21:06<Timoteo>yea, no reaction there :) tried there first
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21:08<themill>There's probably a new and shinier way of doing it... that seems to be a common experience with xen.
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21:15<soundconjurer>Man... my wireless network just doesn't want to work on Jessie
21:17<blast007>soundconjurer: you might need to install firmware for it
21:17<soundconjurer>i did
21:17<soundconjurer>Same driver I needed in Wheezy
21:17<soundconjurer>It connects... but just doesn't work.
21:17<soundconjurer>Websites hang and never load
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21:21<soundconjurer>I can ping my router
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21:21<soundconjurer>I cannot ping any websites.
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21:22<Timoteo>can you ping external ip's? maybe its just dns that's not working
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21:23<abrotman>or route
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21:24<medicalwei>Excuse me. Is it only me, or other people keeping resetting IRC connections too?
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21:24<soundconjurer>Pinging external IPs doesn't work either
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21:32<soundconjurer>yeah... I have firmware-iwlwifi installed...
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22:19<linuxuz3r>does jessie officially support steam?
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22:19<somiaj>linuxuz3r: it will be the other way around, we can't really support non-free software.
22:19<AlexLikeRock>linuxuz3r, yes
22:20<AlexLikeRock>debian testing too
22:20<somiaj>linuxuz3r: but unless valuve changes the glibc requirements, steam should run on jessie. But if want offical support make sure valuve doesn't change the glibc requirement on the next ubuntu release.
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22:22<AlexLikeRock>ubuntu ??? <somiaj>
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22:33<soundconjurer>So... I fixed the Asian character problem Wheezy didn't have, now working on the Wifi problem Wheezy didn't have. :(
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22:34<somiaj>soundconjurer: what was the package that was missing? What wifi card do you have?
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22:34<somiaj>wonder if you just a non-free firmware image with wheezy and are just missing the firmware.
22:34<soundconjurer>it uses the iwlwifi package
22:35<soundconjurer>After installing it, I connect to my router, but nothing gets past the router.
22:35<somiaj>You can ping the router just fine?
22:35<soundconjurer>yes, but not any webites
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22:35<soundconjurer>address or IPs
22:36<somiaj>sounds like the router issue, if you can ping the router, that says you are at least getting that far.
22:36<somiaj>static or dhcp?
22:36<soundconjurer>everything else works with my router.
22:37<soundconjurer>All other wifi devices, including my other Linux laptop.
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22:37<somiaj>soundconjurer: can you ping any other ip's on the network?
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22:38<soundconjurer>Didn't think of that.
22:38<soundconjurer>Good call
22:38<soundconjurer>let me get to that.
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22:41<AlexLikeRock>how to make sound at "line in" at my sound pc card
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22:42<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: don't you have a control for line-in in your mixer?
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22:44<AlexLikeRock>i dont now
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22:44<AlexLikeRock> tell me a example
22:44<AlexLikeRock>i try many times
22:44<AlexLikeRock>gnome-alsamixer,qmix, etc,etc
22:44<AlexLikeRock> tell me
22:44<AlexLikeRock> how to start :)
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22:48<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: I use alsamixer. Do you use pulse or not?
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22:51<AlexLikeRock>yes, i have pulse audio
22:52<AlexLikeRock> Master FRONT - Master REAR - Capture
22:52<AlexLikeRock>i dont have a FRONT PLUG
22:52<AlexLikeRock>only REAR
22:52<AlexLikeRock>but , not say noting a bout LINE INT
22:53<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: if you are using pulseaudio, use pavucontrol
22:53<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: you should be able to control your sound card and inputs and outputs.
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22:54<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: not sure if you need to do anything special to take an input from line in, but I thought there was a way to just umount/turn up the volume on line in and it will just play. This could depend on sound card.
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22:56<AlexLikeRock>not work
22:57<AlexLikeRock> pavucontrol
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22:57<AlexLikeRock>i dont tinck so,
22:58<AlexLikeRock>its just config of ALSA
22:58<AlexLikeRock>its hir
22:58<AlexLikeRock>but i dont now were
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23:01<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: If you use pulseaudio, then use pulseaudio tools to configure your card. That is only if you use alsa with out pulseaudio.
23:03<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: For my sound card I have a 'Line' and 'Line Boost' in alsamixer. But since you use pulse there should be similar things under the mixer in pavucontrol or similar pulse control tool.
23:03<somiaj>If you do not see it there (or in alsamixer since it does run on top of alsa). It could be drivers or module configuration for your sound card.
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23:04<AlexLikeRock>pavucontrol , not work
23:04<AlexLikeRock>i select "line in DIGITAL"
23:04<AlexLikeRock> and not make a sound
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23:05<gone---------->hey somiaj: I had to install the nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms for one of my workstations running jessie x64, but now I'm installing steam and it says to install "# aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
23:05<gone---------->", but that's going to break my machine.
23:06<gone---------->somiaj: how do I install the nvidia legacy 304xx i386 drivers?
23:06<gone---------->or i guess the legacy glx libgl?
23:07<somiaj>gone----------: install the legacy version of that same package
23:07<gone---------->"# aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
23:07<gone---------->" is how i installed it the first time then I edited my
23:07<gone---------->what should I do this time?
23:07<gone---------->to install the i386 version as well
23:07<somiaj>gone----------: correct steam probabaly needs 32bit libs
23:08<gone---------->yeah it does i just don't want to break my machine so i'm asking sorry
23:08<somiaj>well don't install the 32bit dkms package. Install the 32bit version of the glx libary.
23:08<somiaj>it should ahve a very similar name to libgl1-nvidia-glx, 'apt-cache search libgl1-nvidia'
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23:08<AlexLikeRock> we continue ?
23:09<gone---------->somiaj: found it thank you
23:09<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: I think you are close on the line in digital in Pavu control. I think you only want to unmute it, turn the volume up. You shoudl still select the standard outputs.
23:09<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: what sound card do you have?
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23:12<AlexLikeRock>the volumen are 50 %
23:12<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: of the line-in device?
23:14<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: sorry slider. You can try it in alsamixer, see if you get more control there. But this page seems to agree with my ideas.
23:14<somiaj>AlexLikeRock: that will probabaly work sijmilar, one answer is by default the loopback module is not loaded. so run 'pactl load-module module-loopback' that might load the loop back module for pulse allowing the line in to work.
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23:18<gone---------->weird libjpeg8 isn't available for debian jessie
23:19<gone---------->!package libjpeg8
23:20<somiaj>I don't think it is needed anymore by any software in jessie.
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23:24<gone---------->I need it for a game server should I just add jessie-backports to my sources and get it that way?
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23:25<somiaj>I think this is an older libary.
23:25<somiaj>,v libjpeg8
23:25<judd>Package: libjpeg8 on amd64 -- squeeze: 8b-1; wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1; sid: 8d1-2
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23:26<gone---------->maybe it's libjpeg-turbo?
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23:26<somiaj>gone----------: I seem to recall it was replaced, but not sure.
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23:27<somiaj>gone----------: it was removed in jessie because it was a libary that nothing depended on it.
23:27<gone---------->somiaj: thanks i'll just grab it via backports
23:27<somiaj>gone----------: not sure if things that explicity depend on it (like third party games) can work with stuff in jessie or not
23:27<somiaj>gone----------: it isn't in backports. But you could compile your own version from wheezy.
23:27<gone---------->will do thanks
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23:28<somiaj>gone----------: or sid, think they are about teh same, one seems ot have security fixes.
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23:30<somiaj>,v libjpeg9
23:30<judd>Package: libjpeg9 on amd64 -- sid: 1:9a-2
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23:32<somiaj>gone----------: libjpeg62-turbo seems to be the replacment. It says it is compadable with the libjpeg8, but if a program has a explicit dependency it may not work.
23:32<gone---------->i'll give it a shot thanks
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