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00:00<soundconjurer>I just disabled ipv6 and ipv4 firewalls on my router...
00:00<soundconjurer>and nothing
00:00<somiaj>,v debhelper
00:00<judd>Package: debhelper on amd64 -- squeeze: 8.0.0; squeeze-backports: 9.20120909~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.20120909; jessie: 9.20150101; sid: 9.20150101; stretch: 9.20150101
00:00<somiaj>sleser: now add 'debhelper' to the list of packages
00:00<somiaj>sleser: also notice it keeps telling you the same thing, E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. -- figure out what they are.
00:00<soundconjurer>Well, I am going to sleep. I have work in the morning.
00:01<sleser>i understand
00:01<seeS>soundconjurer: ok, id suggest a tshark, i have no idea why the router doesnt like that ip
00:01<sleser>i just keep puting the things it wants
00:01<somiaj>sleser: eventaully you'll get a reason
00:02<somiaj>seeS: we have no clue how he even configures his network. I'm thinking dhcp, maybe it is static.
00:02<somiaj>maybe his router needs some authentication before it lets info outside of it (I know my unveirsity network is like that)
00:02<soundconjurer>it is dhcp.
00:02<somiaj>though my guess is something subtle in the config of the router, because the debian box seems just fine with all the output you gave.
00:04<soundconjurer>The weirdest thing is Wheezy being fine and Jessie not...
00:04<somiaj>soundconjurer: you can keep saying that and we can keep saying jessie is working just fine. So far everything you have points to your router.
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00:05<somiaj>but we cna't guess what your 'router' does as we have no clue what kinda it is, how it is configure, and so forth.
00:06<soundconjurer>Just going to blow away all settings on the router tomorrow. See if that fixes anything.
00:06<somiaj>but check the ip address of all devices on the network. Myabe look up the dhcp range of the router and give yourself a static ip outside of that range you know is not being used.
00:07<somiaj>maybe your router is possed by a demon
00:08<soundconjurer>One that suddenly hates OS's named after toy cowboy girls ;-;
00:08<soundconjurer>I just checked IPs on all devices
00:09<soundconjurer>None are using the one my computer is connected to.
00:09<somiaj>soundconjurer: sorry we haven't solved it, but I don't see anything wrong with your network configuration.
00:09<sleser>after all tthis it gave me and i tryed it wont give me anything els and wont install it anyhow
00:09<sleser>apt-get install lsb-core alien debhelper po-debconf gettext intltool-debian intltool-debian libasprintf0c2
00:10<soundconjurer>Please, don't apologize.
00:10<soundconjurer>This is just incredibly strange.
00:10<somiaj>sleser: care to give me the full output of 'dpkg -l'
00:10<somiaj>soundconjurer: I agree.
00:11<somiaj>sleser: again the message, held broken package. Lets look for a held broken package.
00:11<soundconjurer>Goodnight. I am sure I will figure this out tomorrow.
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00:11<somiaj>sleser: actually smaller searches. 'aptitude search ~ahold' and 'aptitude search ~b' give me tha toutput.
00:13<somiaj>sleser: yea that is strange output...seems like you pasted the output into bash and then gave us that output
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00:13<somiaj>sleser: but lets try those aptitude commands, see what we get.
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00:15<somiaj>sleser: run the commands one at a time, 'aptitude search ~ahold' and 'aptitude search ~b' are different programs.
00:15<somiaj>sleser: also don't include the quotes.
00:16<sleser>debian pastebin isnt working good
00:16<sleser>im pasting one thing sending
00:16<sleser>shows another
00:16<somiaj>sleser: what are you using to paste?
00:16<somiaj>sleser: just copy / paste? or some program?
00:17<sleser>regular copy paste
00:17<sleser>from bash to iceweasel
00:17<somiaj>sleser: why are you running that as one command.
00:18<somiaj>sleser: there are two seperate commands.
00:18<sleser>ok lemy do separate
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00:20<somiaj>sleser: what does 'apt-get -f install' try to do?
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00:21<sleser>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
00:22<sleser>like so
00:23<sleser>sorry like so
00:23<sleser>not sure why today im having this paste from here to there issues too
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00:25<sleser>copy paste dosnt wants to listen ules i refresh the pastebin site . i cant just go back erase what i pasted and send again
00:26<sleser>this not issue ill refresh.
00:26<sleser>problem is lsb release so i can know what im using
00:27<sleser>uname -a wont give me enough info
00:28<sleser>xbmc maby problem ? i erased it it didnt work it only froze the intire system
00:28<sleser>erased it long time ago but dont remember if i tryed lsb after until today
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00:32<sleser>sorry guys will do this another nite . i want to watch a movie and have few drinks
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00:32<sleser>tanks for help
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00:33<roky>Looking to startup a couple web servers amongs some clients to use debian as a desktop. Would you guys recommend debian over ubuntu?
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01:59<seeS>hi_ pi_
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02:03<adminewb>from what the bot says, it sounds as if a clean install of jessie, followed by local customizing, is generally recommended over an upgrade from wheezy; comment?
02:04<adminewb>from the release notes details i should say
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02:05<phillipsjk>Back up your data first? (I know nobody listens to that advice: assuming everyone is like me)
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02:06<phillipsjk>I tried doing off-site, verified backups. Got stuck on the verification step. (OK, the back-ups are bad: now what?)
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02:07<phillipsjk>probably OT though.
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02:10<phillipsjk>heh, I looked at the upgrade document jsut now. The first step *is* "4.1.1. Back up any data or configuration information"
02:11<adminewb>people need a good sobering up before they use all the rope given to hang themselves ya?
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02:15<phillipsjk>Well, backups are good to have anytime, not just around upgrades.
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02:18<phillipsjk>As far as I can tell, the trickiest part of the wheezy->jessie is the transition to systemd. If you are running a webserver you may want to check if your tools prefer sys-v or systemd.
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02:20<adminewb>glad i don't run a web server or any other server for that matter
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02:24<zenith>Hi. Before updating to Jessie I could press ctrl+alt+l and lock computor. Is there an other way to do it now? Is it disabled for some reason?
02:24<zenith>(using kde) if that helps =)
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02:56<petn-randall>phillipsjk: systemd is backwards-compatible to sysvinit, it can run init script without problems.
02:56<petn-randall>zenith: You might need to set that keyboard shortcut again in the settings.
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02:59<phillipsjk>I'll have to try that (seriously).
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03:00<petn-randall>phillipsjk: For all the blame it got, systemd works pretty fine on all my upgrades. :)
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03:01<phillipsjk>I have been using jessie for over a year on the Desktop. nothing production yet.
03:03<arand>zenith: I know gnome3 changed to super + l, but that probably has nothing to do with KDE.
03:03<petn-randall>phillipsjk: Got it running on a handful of servers by now.
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03:05<phillipsjk>Anything with 256MB or RAM?
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03:06<petn-randall>phillipsjk: My machines are larger than that, but systemd isn't that ressource-hungry. After all, 99% of the time it just idles after boot.
03:07<phillipsjk>Not sure init can swap out though.
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03:09<muep>phillipsjk: 256 MiB should be no problem
03:09<muep>phillipsjk: e.g. an old raspberry pi with 196 MiB of RAM for the OS has no trouble with it
03:10<petn-randall>phillipsjk: systemd is preferred on many embedded systems over sysvinit.
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03:19<mejo>hi. I'm trying to investigate a compromised old (Debian Lenny) system with malware running on it. I already identified /bin/sshd being malicious: it's a statically linked 32bit executable, opening tpt connections to
03:21<mejo>it seems like the intusion vector was a compromised ftp account combined with some local vulnerability used for privilege escalation.
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03:23<mejo>I already disabled the ftp account and killed all sessions of the ftp user as well as all instances/processes of the running sshd binary.
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03:25<zenith>petn-randall: Thanks =)
03:25<zenith>arand: Thanks =)
03:26<mejo>that was yesterday. now, ten hours later, a malicious sshd process is back. I'd like to understand how it is being started. I already searched all cronjobs and initscripts but didn't find anything suspicious.
03:27<mejo>in top/ps the malicious sshd process shows PID 1 as PPID. what would be your next steps to identify the way the process is invoked?
03:28<petn-randall>mejo: Steps after a system was compromised: 1) Take the server down, hard (pull the plug) 2) boot off a trusted medium to do a post-mortem analysis 3) do a clean reinstallation and recover data from backups.
03:29<EmleyMoor>Got a box running jessie - openjdk-7-jre-headless is on it. That depends on libjpeg8, which is obsolete. Is there an alternative so that I don't have to keep the obsolete package?
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03:30<mejo>petn-randall: thanks :) I already isolated the compromised system. But I'd like to understand how the malware works for educational reasons.
03:30<petn-randall>mejo: Yeah, but you won't find it out from within the compromised system.
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03:31<zenith>petn-randall: In shortcuts it was ok. I tryed to reassign it but it dident work with old or new combination (pressed apply after changing it). Any more tips? Keys works :)
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03:35<zenith>Does Debian have the same "fix" like windows? Restart computor and stuff starts to work? :P (Bad question maybe?) :)
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03:39<musca>well, in some cases you need to logout and login again to apply settings.
03:40<EmleyMoor>zenith: Rarely would you need to restart... only if reloading the kernel is needed
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03:41<EmleyMoor>I did have a problem with my optical drives once that meant me rebooting a lot - traced mostly to faulty hardware
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03:46<lp>dell vostro 260 (desktop, AMD CPU): i see reproducible hangs of USB mouse (Logitech trackball) and USB keyboard, that take about 5 seconds to recover, with jessie. squeeze and wheezy were amazingly stable…
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03:48<lp>there's nothing in the logs, and the keyboard hangs even in the text consoles, not just Gnome; the trackball strats working again if I click its buttons, or after moving the ball for about 5 seconds. perhaps some USB autosuspend? in any case, jessie is unusable, you can't even log in reliably
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03:49<EmleyMoor>All up to date on my comms box
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03:53<mejo>petn-randall: while that's true in general, I don't have the feeling that the malware does much to hide itself except from being named 'sshd'. the processes are listed in ps and top, they don't do any magic to tamper with the output according to information from /proc filesystem
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03:53<zenith>EmleyMoor: Thanks for awnser and info =)
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03:54<petn-randall>mejo: How do you know cat/ps/top aren't compromised?
03:56<mejo>petn-randall: I don't know, I guess. But my (limited) experience with compromised systems tells me that it's unlikely in that case. Still you're correct, and I'll reboot with a known-to-be-good live system as a next step.
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03:56<EmleyMoor>I thought I'd got a hacked system once - the problem was actually an early symptom of capacitor plague.
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03:57<petn-randall>mejo: I've seen compromised systems where a list of binaries was exchanged. And some even have a kernel module (of course hidden in the output of 'lsmod') to maintain hold on the machine.
03:58<mejo>petn-randall: and I compared output of ps/top with the details from /proc/<PID> and didn't find any differences. Before rebooting to a live system, first I'd like to get a better picture of the running compromised system. Thus I tried to find out how the sshd process is invoked on the compromised sytem.
03:59<mejo>petn-randall: I see. And I've seen a system with a tampered ls binary as well. Never had one with a malicous kernel module until now though.
03:59<petn-randall>mejo: Remember to jank the power out. It could be that the malware hides/deletes itself on clean shutdown.
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04:00<mejo>so maybe I need to rephrase my question: given, that I rebooted to the known-to-be-good live system - and I checked all cronjobs and initscripts - what else options are there to invoke the malware? logging into the system and starting it remotely would be another option. Can you think of any other?
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04:18<petn-randall>mejo: mount the FS read-only, and run debsums from your live system on the hashes within the system.
04:19<petn-randall>mejo: Most likely a few hits will pop up, which will show you which files got replaced. On the running system, pstree will show you what spawned the process.
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05:37<EmleyMoor>The shitty website that kept thinking I was in Arnold seems to be fixed
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05:50<EmleyMoor>Any safe, clean way to shut down a system on which halt, shutdown, poweroff etc. don't currently work?
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05:51<jhw>init 0
05:51<EmleyMoor>init not usable either
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06:04<EmleyMoor>How do I access an LVM volume on a disk I've temporarily put in another machine?
06:09<Kiranos> hm what is that?
06:09<Kiranos>redirects to debian
06:09<Kiranos>2015-04-28 11:40:56,065 proftpd[22318] ProFTPD 1.3.5 standalone mode SHUTDOWN
06:09<Kiranos>2015-04-28 11:41:01,169 proftpd[23910] ProFTPD 1.3.5 (stable) (built Wed Oct 8 2014 08:28:21 UTC) standalone mode STARTUP
06:09<Kiranos>2015-04-28 11:41:02,064 proftpd[23910] ProFTPD killed (signal 15)
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06:10<EmleyMoor>I can see the volumes - just can't see how to mount them
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06:14<EmleyMoor>I see for example this in lvm lvscan: inactive '/dev/wincobank/tingle' [113.03 GiB] inherit - how do I get at it?
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06:23<linuxuz3r>hi how do i disable suspend
06:24<weinzwang>EmleyMoor: lvchange -a y [volumegroup]/[volume]
06:25<EmleyMoor>weinzwang: Too late
06:25<weinzwang>oh well :)
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06:25<EmleyMoor>linuxuz3r: Do you mean "come out of" or "prevent going into" suspend?
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06:28<linuxuz3r>EmleyMoor: ?
06:28<EmleyMoor>linuxuz3r: Possibly a BIOS setting...
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06:42<EmleyMoor>Strongly considering a new hard drive for my laptop
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06:44<EmleyMoor>(hoping I can get jessie up on the one that's in but not sure)
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06:48<Brigo>EmleyMoor, why not?
06:50<EmleyMoor>Brigo: Lack of space - unless I can make some room to manoeuvre
06:51<Brigo>mmm, that's a problem, yes :)
06:51<EmleyMoor>At the moment I'm trying to get grml up on it so I can fix a breakage I've caused...
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06:52<EmleyMoor>There's a 2TB drive going for £85, delivered tomorrow...
06:53<EmleyMoor>(that would, though, be the biggest drive I've got - save another 2TB which is in storage with the contents of David's machines on)
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06:54<Brigo>EmleyMoor, ssd disk?
06:54<EmleyMoor>Brigo: No, regular.
06:54<Brigo>why not a ssd? smaller but fast and more reliable?
06:55<EmleyMoor>Can get one on "order and collect" for the same price too
06:55<Brigo>and quieter too :)
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06:56<EmleyMoor>3 figure price tag to start with. Not made of money (yet)
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06:56<Brigo>EmleyMoor, i think you can get a small one for less money.
06:57<EmleyMoor>A *too* small one.
06:58<Brigo>oh. Do you need 2TB?
06:58<EmleyMoor>No - but I obviously need more than 320GB
06:58<Brigo>EmleyMoor, really? not me :D
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06:58<EmleyMoor>It's obvious because I've filled this one.
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06:59<Brigo>EmleyMoor, could do i ask with what?
07:01<EmleyMoor>You could but I decline to answer because it will take too long to explain.
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07:01<EmleyMoor>SSHDs are not bad...
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07:01<Brigo>EmleyMoor, ok.
07:03<Brigo>i am always pissed about disks speed, that is why i would prefer a fast disk over a large disk.
07:03<Brigo>disks are the speed bottleneck on computers today.
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07:08<f-a>I have a problem with xscreensaver. If I ps -e I see
07:08<f-a> 1850 tty1 00:00:00 xscreensaver
07:09<f-a>but when I inquire the state with `xssstate -s` it returns "disabled"
07:09<f-a>debian jessie
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07:13<Brigo>f-a, what is xssstate -s for? it is new for me.
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07:14<f-a>Brigo: argh, silly me, I thought it was to check whether xscreensaver was running but it is to check whether the screensaver is displayed! Everything works
07:15<Brigo>f-a, right, then :)
07:15<f-a>but since we are here, I would like to fire the screensaver when I close the lid of my laptop, any pointers/pages I shuld check? I guess it is systemd related
07:16<Brigo>f-a, that should be managed for the desktopo manager, i think, but systemd could manage it too (i think, again)
07:17<f-a>Brigo: I haven't got a DM, I'll check for alternative solutions!
07:18<Brigo>f-a, then look for information about logind. I think it has directories where you can drop scripts or so.
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07:25<Brigo>f-a, still there?
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07:26<f-a>Brigo: yes
07:26<Brigo>f-a, did you find it?
07:26<f-a>Brigo: I found some threads, I am testing whether the proposed solutions work
07:27<Brigo>ok, because i found some information too. You have to add/modify HandleLidSwitch=lock
07:28<f-a>Brigo: will try this now, but where should I add this
07:29<Brigo> /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/<your_new_configuration_file>.conf
07:30<f-a>ok, I will create logind.conf.d folder first
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07:32<Brigo>f-a, mmm, not sure if debian version of loggind supports .d directories.
07:32<f-a>only one way to find out!
07:33<Brigo>f-a, right :D
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08:10<deepy>Hi, I tried to install kibana4 by following a guide, everything works fine except for the init script. Whenever I try to start it I get: Starting kibana4 (via systemctl): kibana4.serviceFailed to start kibana4.service: Unit kibana4.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
08:10<deepy>I have kibana4 in init.d, the commands in it work fine if run one by one, but when I try to /etc/init.d/kibana4 start, that happens
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08:13<Brigo>deepy, you will need the systemd unit created.
08:14<deepy>Can I turn my init.d script into a systemd unit without having to rewrite it?
08:14<EmleyMoor>My laptop has an encrypted lvm volume - anyone know how I can access it using grml?
08:15<Brigo>deepy, systemd do it at boot time, just run systemctl daemon-reload
08:15<deepy>That was simple
08:15<deepy>and stupid
08:15<Brigo>and the try systemcts start kibana4.service
08:16<Brigo>systemctl* i mean
08:16<deepy>How simple is uninstalling systemd?
08:16<Brigo>quite simple, just install systemvinit-core package
08:16<deepy>Is it likely that anything will break?
08:16<Brigo>or upstart, of course, but i don't recomend that one.
08:17<Brigo>deepy, not it shouldn't, jessie support both init system fine.
08:17<Brigo>you can choose whatever you want.
08:17<Brigo>you can choose uptstart or openrc too, but those are not fully supported so i would not recomend to choose them.
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08:19<OldOneEye>hi need help with video driver
08:19<deepy>sysvinit-core is the package you meant, right?
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08:19<Brigo>deepy, yes, sorry.
08:20<deepy>No worries, just wanted the right one. Thanks
08:20<deepy>Does this take away all of systemd or does it have more heads to cut off?
08:21<Brigo>deepy, it will remove all about systemd as long it will remove systemd package and all systemd infraestructure depends on this package
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08:22<deepy>well, it just said it removed systemd-sysv, it seemed like there'd be more to it
08:24<Brigo>deepy, check this:
08:24<Brigo>it is a bit old but i should works for you.
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08:29<devil>OldOneEye: you need to be precise
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08:33<Gabriel_7>Interesting website (, we learn that systemd is not used on Windows…
08:33<Brigo>Gabriel_7, are you sure!? :D
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08:38<gimp335>my debian install isnt borked. should i remove systemd?
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08:41<Brigo>gimp335, i cannot understarnd you.
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08:41<gimp335>just an attempt at humor.
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08:42<Brigo>gimp335, ah, i see it now :)
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08:43<EmleyMoor>How much disk space do I need on / for a new kernel install when upgrading to jessie?
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08:44<Brigo>EmleyMoor, 100 megas more ore less
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08:44<Brigo>new kernel are bigger
08:44<rfreeman-w>rtl8169 - it does not work on debian 8. but worked during installation. what is that?!
08:45<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, did you purged your debian8 out of systemd yet? any problems?
08:45<EmleyMoor>Ah - come to think of it I think I forgot to resize the fs
08:45<Brigo>rfreeman-w, did you check logs?
08:46<rfreeman-w>Brigo, dmesg says it did not found the firmware and then disables the card
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08:46<Brigo>rfreeman-w, then install it, you can install it from non-free repo, if you have it configured.
08:46<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w: No, I'm using systemd and it's working without issue (in fact I'm on testing).
08:46<rfreeman-w>Brigo, using which NETWORK repository should I install my NETWORK driver? :)
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08:47<Brigo>rfreeman-w, you will need get the package from elsewhere :)
08:47<rfreeman-w>plus, fuck closed source firmware with a shovel
08:47<rfreeman-w>the disappointment is why it can't work without it
08:48<Ryccardo>rfreeman-w: because they were too cheap to put some flash memory on the card itself
08:48<Brigo>rfreeman-w, did you have the card working on wheezy?
08:49<rfreeman-w>Brigo, did not test. But it did work while installing from netinst.
08:49<rfreeman-w>Brigo, so either netinstall runs filthy firmware despite me saying to NOT LOAD EXTRA FIRMWARE when it asked
08:49<Brigo>rfreeman-w, that weird as long as netisntall has not firmware :)
08:50<rfreeman-w>or the installed system fails to use no-firmware version
08:50<Brigo>rfreeman-w, or you were using a image with firmwar inside -non official ones-.
08:50<rfreeman-w>seeing how the raid support is fucked up too, I expect it to be another bug in systemd::debian8
08:50<Brigo>i doubt it.
08:50<rfreeman-w>Brigo, net install 8 from
08:51<Brigo>so not firmware there.
08:51<rfreeman-w>Brigo, well the raid fails to open too
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08:51<rfreeman-w>I will try with older card
08:51<Brigo>i now there are some problems about raids, but i cannot help you about it.
08:53<OldOneEye>i need a driver for ati radeon hd 5650
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08:53<OldOneEye>and how to install it
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08:53<muep>OldOneEye: I guess debian includes a driver by default, but you'd need a firmware for it
08:54<Ryccardo>indeed -- fglrx-module-dkms
08:54<OldOneEye>it does but its very buggy
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08:55<rfreeman-w>OldOneEye, seems to be the common theme with upgrade to 8
08:55<muep>Ryccardo: I think linux-firmware-nonfree should have the firmware for amd GPUs
08:55<OldOneEye>well it is old
08:56<Ryccardo>well, my Radeon 7000 works fine with firmware-linux-nonfree and it's even older :p
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08:56<OldOneEye>i retesteverything
08:57<OldOneEye>then get back of specifics
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09:53<anorak>hi all. just a question. if your pgs keep going into "active+clean+scrubbing+deep" after every 15 minutes but return back to "active+clean"...what does that signify?
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09:55<EmleyMoor>My laptop is now running jessie, I have switched from fglrx to radeon, but no longer have control of the brightness - the graphic for the setting comes up but the actual brightness remains unchanged. It's a Lenovo ThinkPad X131e
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09:57<Brigo>EmleyMoor, may be radeon driver cannot manage it.
09:57<EmleyMoor>Brigo: Right - well, it didn't in wheezy either
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09:58<Brigo>EmleyMoor, i just found radeontool package, try it and see.
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09:59<EmleyMoor>radeontool is installed
09:59<somiaj>EmleyMoor: look at xbacklight, you can also control the gamma with xrandr.
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09:59<petn-randall>anorak: What are pgs?
10:00<somiaj>also do you have the non-free firmware installed (though I doubt this effects the backlight)
10:00<EmleyMoor>Don't think so. Lost all display now bar pointer
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10:01<blast007>petn-randall: I think he's referring to "placement groups" of Ceph
10:01<anorak>petn-randall: placement groups
10:01<anorak>007: thanks for answering :)
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10:18<Ryccardo>Is there a known workaround for the checkbox bug?
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10:19<zathras>Hi. can someone please help me? I am strugling to get Apache mod Passenger working on Wheezy. Regardless what I do I end up with http 404.
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10:21<EmleyMoor>xbacklight has sorted it
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10:22<EmleyMoor>I'll leave disk adjustment until later (as it's a grml job)
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10:52<finetundra>hello folks, I have soem random proccess called galaxy that's running as root . Does anyone know what this is?
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10:55<finetundra>or how about tessellimage?
10:55<Ryccardo>→→ dpkg -S `which galaxy` ←← may find which package it's from
10:55<finetundra>they both run as root and use quite a bit of cpu
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10:56<debijit>:finetundra -whch desktop are you using ?
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10:59<Ryccardo>from what I can see, they're both screensavers
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11:00<finetundra>then, should they be running while the screen isn't asleep?
11:01<Ryccardo>I don't know how they get the "last desktop view to give an artistical interpretation of", but I've never seen them running all the time
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11:01<finetundra>so would it be safe to kill them?
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11:02<finetundra> tessellimage alnoe uses 25% of my cpu
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11:05<anorak>sorry everyone for my question. Wrong channel :(
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11:06<debijit>I am facing lot of troubles with new jessie,, - firstly , touch pad not working ?
11:07<Brigo>debijit, it should be working. What re the logs saying about it?
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11:08<debijit>but its working , when i am root
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11:20<finetundra>Also, I've had really high cpu usage since upgrading to jessie. whats up with that
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11:21<finetundra>and, does anyone know what xprop -root -spy would be?
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11:30<nocta>Anyone here?
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11:30<Brigo>nocta, there are 763 users connected right now.
11:30<nocta>Yeah, I can see that
11:30<nocta>But I need some help and as far as I can read, no one is writing.
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11:31<Brigo>nocta, that is because debian works so good that nobody needs help :D
11:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:32<nocta>Haha. I'm not saying it's not working good.
11:32<nocta>I have a problem with my Debian Jessie. Some times it's just logs off.
11:32<Brigo>nocta, i just explaining why no questions :)
11:33<Brigo>from the graphic desktop?
11:33<nocta>Yep. It gets back to LighDM
11:33<nocta>I recently upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and I don't know why it logs off. Some times when I disconnect an USB
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11:33<nocta>and every time I hit Alt+F4
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11:33<nocta>I'm running kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64
11:33<Brigo>nocta, are you using gnome?
11:34<Brigo>nocta, you cannot run kernel 3.2 in jessie, it is too old.
11:34<Brigo>it could be the problem.
11:34<nocta>I did apt-get update and upgrade and no new kernel came up.
11:34<nocta>(Sorry my english)
11:35<Maulkin>nocta: did you do a dist-upgrade at all?
11:35<Brigo>nocta, the output of uname -a is a 3.2 kernel for sure?
11:36<nocta>Linux nocta-deb 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
11:36<duclicsic>rebooted since then?
11:37<nocta>I've already upgraded some packages. Even Xfce
11:37<Brigo>and the output of cat /etc/debian_version ?
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11:38<Maulkin>nocta: did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade?
11:38<kolas>Hi guys, I'm setting up a jessie server for myself, is 120 GB, what do you think about this settinmg?: 0.5 GB [/boot][prim]; 1GB [swap][crypto]; 20 GB [ / ][prim][crypto]; 80 GB [/var][log][crypto]; 18.5 GB [/home][log][crypto];
11:38<nocta>You know what's funny? I just run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and now there's a new kernel
11:38<kolas>Never done an encrypted computer with all this partitions so I'm not sure
11:38<duclicsic>nocta: it's usually better to run "dist-upgrade" rather than "upgrade"
11:39<duclicsic>it will install new dependencies if there are any
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11:39<Brigo>nocta, just dist-ugrade all the packages.
11:39<nocta>I will once it finishes apt-get upgrade
11:39<nocta>and then I'll reboot and try again
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11:50<nocta>Brigo, now i'm upgrading my kernel to 3.16.0-4
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11:50<nocta>I'll join again if I have a problem. Will test now how it works
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11:55<kolas>ok, a more focused question: if I encrypt /[prim],/var[log],/home[log] and swap how can I give just one password at startup for all of them?
11:56<autumn>Hi all. My /etc/network/interfaces doesn't seem to honor the "dns-nameservers" option anymore under jessie. I'm assuming it's related to systemd changes. Any good resources to learn more about how networking configuration has changed?
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12:00<Maulkin>autumn: Sounds like a move from resolvconf to network-manager perhaps? See
12:00<finetundra>hello folks, how do I tell if all my processors are in use( two physical cpu's)?
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12:01<Maulkin>finetundra: Use "top" then type "1"
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12:03<finetundra>ok, that worked. now how would a locate a specific process type?
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12:04<Maulkin>finetundra: What do you mean by process type? Reading "man top" may help :)
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12:04<Maulkin>finetundra: 'htop' may be more appropriate
12:05<finetundra>htop: command not found
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12:05<Maulkin>Yeah, you'll need to install it
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12:06<finetundra>Maulkin, by process type I mean the catagory(total, running,sleep-ing, etc.)
12:07<finetundra>I don't know where that dash came from
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12:08<MTecknology>I'm trying to upgrade to Debian 8. Everything went insanely well except one package. It seems that uwsgi-plugin-cgi is now missing from the repos. I'm not sure if it's just compiled into the uwsgi package now and upgrading uwsgi will be fine or if missing that package is going to break things.
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12:09<autumn>Thanks, that pointed me in the right direction. I didn't have resolvconf or network-manager installed; installing resolvconf didn't mess with any dependencies, and got the dns-nameserver option working just like it used to.
12:09<MTecknology>How can I figure this out without updating and finding out the hard way?
12:10<imperia>where can i download original wheezy 7.0. i want to test upgrade to jessie in virtual machine
12:10<Maulkin>autumn: Ok, cool :)
12:10<finetundra>imperia, why not just install jessie in the vm
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12:11<imperia>i want to test if the upgrade process will go fine without doing in directly on my VPS
12:11<autumn>Imperia - does this work?
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12:12<imperia>this is 7.8. I changed and it has systemd.. while my wheezy seems to be different on my VPS.. it doesn't have systemd.. that is what exactly i want to test.. systemd
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12:13<Maulkin>MTecknology: Looks like it seems to be part of uwsgi-core now:
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12:17<debijith>lots of trouble with new jessie,, x-terminal not loading,
12:18<MTecknology>Maulkin: awesome! thanks!
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12:20<finetundra>debijith, why not use a different terminal emulator?
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12:20<Maulkin>debijith: As in xterm ?
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12:24<debijith>not loading terminal emulator , is just one problem among my different troubles with jessie
12:24<petn-randall>debijith: No problem, we can help you fix one problem at a time here. :)
12:24<MTecknology>41 systems moved to Debian 8. 172 + 30 remaining.
12:25<debijith>i really need to fix my touchpad problem.
12:25<petn-randall>!tell debijith -about ask
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12:26<somiaj>debijith: attack one problem at a time. Ask decent questions, also what desktop do you use? Did you upgrade from wheezy to jessie?
12:26<debijith>yes i upgraded to jessie from wheezy,, desktop:gnome
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12:27<autumn>Imperia - Well, the iso files for 7.0.0 don't seem to be on the cdimage archive, but the jigdo version appears to still be available. apt-get install jigdo-file, and then (as an example): "jigdo-lite" and it should build you an iso
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12:28<imperia>autumn: no netinst i guess?
12:28<autumn>Oh, that might be easier if you're willing to do a netinst... one sec.
12:28<somiaj>debijith: one test I would suggest is create a new user on your system. Then log into gnome with that user. It could be you have some custom configs that are not compadable with the newer versions in jessie ($HOME is not changed during an upgrade).
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12:28<somiaj>debijith: a new user will usually show you if things work and it is a custom config issue over some other issue.
12:29<finetundra>debijith, have you tried to use a different terminal emulator?
12:29<debijith>somiaj:Let me try
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12:30<autumn>Looks like the netinst is also available via jigdo only. Can you try this: jigdo-lite
12:30<autumn>If that's a pain for you, let me know and I can build the iso and host it somewhere for you.
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12:31<finetundra>how would I track down a zombie process, only knowing that it's a zombie?
12:32<somiaj>autumn: umm, don't y ou want 7.8.0 for wheezy or 8.0.0 for jessie? Version seems strange. Why are you looking for an archive image?
12:32<somiaj>finetundra: do you see it in 'ps fax' output?
12:32<somiaj>usually figure out its pid and go from there
12:32<autumn>Imperia specifically asked for an old version.
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12:33<imperia>somiaj: my wheezy seems to be 7.0 without systemd... 7.8.0 includes systemd
12:33<somiaj>autumn: ahh, I guess I missed the original question. There should be little difference and the newer version includes all the security fixes.
12:33<imperia>somiaj: i wanted to test the upgrade process on vm before doing on my vps
12:33<autumn>Or, rather than messing with jigdo, just do a google search for debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso - plenty of people still hosting it. Example:
12:34<somiaj>imperia: it is not 7.8.0 includeds systemd or not. Wheezy includes systemd as a preview, so in terms of if you can preview systemd there is no difference between 7.0.0 and 7.8.0
12:34<somiaj>!point release
12:34<dpkg>Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. There are no point releases for Debian 8 "Jessie" yet. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade". See <7.8>.
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12:34<finetundra>somiaj, see, I only know that there's a zombie, not what it's called
12:34<somiaj>imperia: point releases do not add new software and only include bug fixes and security fixes. It is worth while getting the newest point release. For the most part they are the same.
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12:35<somiaj>imperia: and if you want sysvinit installed by default, 7.8.0 install does that because that was the default in wheezy, and contiues to be for all of its point releases.
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12:35<somiaj>finetundra: usually there is something in the output of ps fax that tells you the process is a zombie or defunct.
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12:36<somiaj>finetundra: been a while so I don't know what flag is there to find it. You can try the man page for ps, 'man ps' and see if there is a way to search only for zombie processes.
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12:36<autumn>I agree with somiaj on this - I'm doing all my upgrade testing from 7.8 to 8.0. No need to drop to 7.0.
12:36<finetundra>somiaj, well I don't know the flags either.
12:37<somiaj>imperia: also if you are upgraind from wheezy to jessie, you fist have to upgrade to the latest point relese (else you could have issues because it is designed to be upgraded from the latest point release)
12:37<imperia>somiaj: i have VPS with wheezy (upgraded from squeeze) it doesn't have systemd.. i want to go 8.0 but i have to test the upgrade process to 8.0. ... i tried 7.8 netinst.. but its different .. it have systemd
12:37<imperia>somiaj: how to go 7.0-> 7.8? i already have wheezy in my sources.list
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12:38<somiaj>imperia: umm, no the 7.8 does not install systemd by default. You either are thinking of the wrong image or installed systemd on it
12:38<somiaj>imperia: apt-get udpate && apt-get upgrade
12:39<somiaj>imperia: the mirrors have all up to date packages, so upgrading your wheezy install to the newest package versions (bug and security fixes) is 7.8. There is very little difference between 7.0 and 7.8 (only security fixes, bug fixes and sometimes new drivers are backported to the kernel).
12:39<somiaj>again systemd can be installed in wheezy, but it could have been installed in 7.0 or 7.8 -- this is not a point release issue.
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12:40<finetundra>somiaj, is this something? xbrlapi
12:41<finetundra>It showed up in the command column
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12:42<debijith>somiaj: I created new user, but the same problem, not touch-pad-tap
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12:43<somiaj>debijith: that is probabaly an xorg config/driver issue. Does the terminal work with new user?
12:44<blast007>finetundra: apt-cache show xbrlapi
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12:47<debijit>somiaj: terminal is working on new user
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12:48<finetundra>blast007, thanks. that worked
12:49<finetundra>turns out it's some kind of braille program, which shouldn't have been running at all
12:49<somiaj>debijit: yea touchpad is probably a xorg issue, is it just doesn't work, or it works strangely?
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12:49<somiaj>debijit: you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what drivers and devices were detected (this mostly talks about video device but there is usually info about input devices too)
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12:57<qufmal>Hello debpeople, I am installing jessie and the installer says that "The attempt to mount a file system ext4 in SCSI2 at /boot failed
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12:58<qufmal>and I can't keep going with the installation
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12:59<somiaj>qufmal: you should be able to hit alt-f2, open up a terminal and run dmesg, see if you can see why it failed.
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13:53<uofantarctica>I'm trying to find a copy of debian 6.0.0 because it has the 2.6.32 kernel, anyone know where I could find it?
13:54<OldOneEye>why use an older kernel?
13:54<Brigo>uofantarctica, try
13:54<uofantarctica>Linux Device Drivers third edition is based on that, the new book doesn't come out until later this year.
13:54<uofantarctica>ty Brigo.
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13:58<danfun64>I've been running Jessie as testing for a while now. I am now running Jessie as stable, and am trying to install dosbox, but I get an error.
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13:58<danfun64>My current source.list
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13:59<danfun64>Can anybody help?
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14:01<musca>,v dosbox
14:01<judd>Package: dosbox on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.74-1; wheezy: 0.74-3; sid: 0.74-4; jessie: 0.74-4; stretch: 0.74-4
14:02<danfun64>How did you know I was running amd64?
14:02<danfun64>oh wait...
14:02<musca>it's the default
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14:02<MTecknology>Now that I'm on jessie, how can I list all packages that aren't part of the stable release? I know some systems will have packages that aren't part of the stable release, I just want to do an audit across my servers to know what those are.
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14:03<danfun64>@musca I know that dosbox should be accessible, but for some reason I can't instal lit.
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14:04<danfun64>install* it*
14:04<jathan>Hello Debian Channel. I am trying to add snmp monitoring to one Debian Jessie server, but Firewall is the only problem until now for can access from some external network, having the next rule:
14:04<jathan>-A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 161 -j ACCEPT
14:04<jathan>It is ok for let exeute snmpwalk right?
14:04<musca>danfun64: did you run "apt-get update"
14:05<danfun64>you want to see the results of *that* ?
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14:05<jathan>At the moment I only can excute with my community name and as localhost
14:06<jathan>but not remotely from another computer.
14:06<jathan>It is correct the snmp rule that I have addeed please?
14:07<musca>danfun64: please paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy dosbox" on
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14:08<jamesmc>jathan: If you want to include state, you probably want something like NEW,ESTABLISHED
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14:09<jamesmc>But you should be able to just do -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 161 -j ACCEPT
14:09<musca>!tell MTecknology about list repositories
14:09<musca>!tell MTecknology about obsolete
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14:09<towo`>danfun64, your pinning is totaly insane
14:09<MTecknology>musca: thanks!
14:10<danfun64> do I reset the pinning?
14:10<jathan>jamesmc: Thanks a lot. Can you tell how I need to write that rule for por 161 please?
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14:10<jamesmc>jathan: Just like that: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 161 -j ACCEPT
14:11<Leo_>Ideas to Debian apt-get updates wheezy?
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14:11<Leo_>How 2 IDNTIFY?
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14:16<retrospectacus>Leo_: /msg nickserv help identify
14:16<MTecknology>musca: Thanks again! aptitude ~o was exactly what I needed. :D
14:16<MTecknology>aptitude search ~o *
14:17<somiaj>MTecknology: note this only gives packages that aren't in teh repos anymore, won't tell you if you have a package whose version is not the same as the repos.
14:17<somiaj>MTecknology: but it is useful (:
14:17<somiaj>and you don't need the *
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14:17<musca>MTecknology: yw
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14:21<Leo_>How 2 IDNTIFY??
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14:22<retrospectacus>Leo_: I just told you
14:22<musca>hi Leo_
14:22<Leo_>Hi pls repeat
14:22<retrospectacus>Leo_: /msg nickserv help identify
14:23<Leo_>Leo_: /msg nickserv
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14:23<TobiX>MTecknology: apt-show-versions is a nice tool to check version differences between installed packages and version in repository...
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14:23<Leo_>retro Insufficient arguments for command
14:24<danfun64>nevermind, I fixed it myself.
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14:24<Leo_>apt get dies with wheezy
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14:26<Leo_>Insufficient arguments for command.
14:26<Leo_>Identify does not work
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14:28<musca>Leo_: i think you need support in your native language
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14:29<Leo_>whatever helps IDENTIFY
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14:29<retrospectacus>Leo_: /msg nickserv help identify
14:29<retrospectacus>for the third time. How can we be expected to help you if you don't read or do what we ask?
14:30<Leo_>typing /msg -> Insufficient arguments for command
14:30<nickmbooker>hi I have an oddity with my graphics card (Nvidia using nouveau driver). During login, loading MATE, the screen goes a lovely green colour with speckles. After a reboot I get a collage of some bits of the windows from my last login.
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14:30<retrospectacus>Leo_: /msg nickserv help identify
14:30<retrospectacus>Leo_: that's why you type the other words too
14:30<nickmbooker>Anyone know how to make sure my gfx card is properly reset on reboot, so it doesn't reveal that sort of stuff on next login?
14:31<Leo_>Identify ole Leo
14:31<musca>Leo_: that is no sentence, the whole line is the command
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14:31<retrospectacus>I don't think language is the issue here
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14:32<Leo_>Usage: IDENTIFY password [nick]
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14:32<Leo_>IDENTIFY password leo
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14:33<retrospectacus>Leo_: you have to talk to NickServ. This is Debian support.
14:33<Leo_>NickServ Identify 34657 Leo
14:33<musca>better append theese arguments to the "/msg nickserv" command.
14:33<retrospectacus>we can only do so much to help you operate your IRC client
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14:37<retrospectacus>Leo_: when you are ready to proceed with "apt get dies with wheezy", show us your command and its output, using
14:37<Leo_>Thank you retro ist is on the way
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14:40<Leo_>LOL I forgot my password rotfl
14:41<retrospectacus>Leo_: we don't care. Debian support only here please.
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14:43<Leo_>What happens to the past job?
14:44<retrospectacus>it becomes a website and you tell us what it is so we can help you
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14:45<Leo_>How and where do I tell you?
14:45<SynrG>Leo_: once you submit it, the url is what we need
14:46<Leo_>ok ist this correct?
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14:47<SynrG>Two things wrong
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14:47<SynrG>We asked for the command and its output
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14:47<SynrG>Also, put LC_ALL=C in front of the command
14:48<SynrG>So we can see output in English
14:49<SynrG>when you've done that, create new paste with the whole thing … command plus output
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14:49<Leo_>This is a Mesg from Synaptic
14:50<SynrG>You didn't show the command in the first paste
14:50<Leo_>Synaptic is started by mouse
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14:50<SynrG>Doesn't have to be
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14:52<Leo_>English is on the way without mouse
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14:55<jathan>jamesmc: Modifying the rule with iptables -I INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 161 -j ACCEPT finally let me do snmpwalk. Thanks anyway for the help ;)
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14:56<Ryccardo>Leo_: it all started after the dist-upgrade?
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14:57<Leo_>Negative. It started 2015-04-25 13:29:46 with update
14:57<SynrG>Leo_: you have an /etc/apt/apt.conf
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14:58<SynrG>It sets the default release to a value you don't have in /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:58<SynrG>That's what the message is telling you
14:58<SynrG>Show us both files
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14:59<SynrG>I have to go
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14:59<SynrG>Meeting with a friend
14:59<Leo_>ok talk to you l8r?
14:59<musca>Leo_: Deutsch gehört wohl nicht zu Deinen Sprachen?
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15:00<Leo_>Klar gehört Deutsch zu meinen Sprachen
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15:02<Leo_>Und warum war die Sprache wichtig?
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15:04<musca>well, search for the setting APT::Default-Release=wheezy in your /etc/apt/apt.conf
15:04<musca>and replace wheezy by jessie.
15:04<Leo_>Is set. Thank you
15:04<Leo_>Done that
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15:05<Leo_>A.2. Überprüfen Ihrer Paketquellen gibt eine übersichtliche Anleitung. Hat nicht funktioniert -> Fehlermeldung
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15:14<Leo_>musc a crah report is also available
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15:17<Leo_> uploaded
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15:26<jamesmc>jathan: Oh, yes, SNMP would need UDP, not TCP :)
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15:29<jathan>Yeah :)
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15:32<mrphs>I've an encrypted debian installation on a usb stick, but it doesn't boot anymore and when i check it in diskutil the capacity aint right.
15:32<mrphs>is the usb stick damaged? is it the partition table?
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15:32<mrphs>any idea how to fix it?
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16:01<qufam>Hi guys, I just installed a brand new jessie (command line) but I'm having trouble connecting to a wpa-protected wifi
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16:03<qufam>I tried using wpa_passphrase myrouter > wpa.conf, then running a wpa_supplicant -ieth1 -c/root/wpa.conf, and dhclient wlan0
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16:04<qufam>and variants, but no good
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16:06<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>.
16:06<ompaul>qufam: you should have done this stuff also
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16:08<qufam>ompaul: I should have done "!wireless"?
16:09<qufam>Ah, that is the command for irc, sorry. I installed all the firmware
16:09<ompaul>qufam: there are other things read that link
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16:11<qufam>ompaul: thanks, I'm reading it now =)
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16:17<EmleyMoor>One question - what's the way to start an app at login on a Gnome desktop in jessie?
16:18<retrospectacus>gnome session manager?
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16:19<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: Are you asking or suggesting
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16:20<mtn>EmleyMoor: use tweak tool to add apps to your startup
16:21<retrospectacus>I'm guessing. Last time I used Gnome that was the answer
16:21<EmleyMoor>mtn: Thanks
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16:22<EmleyMoor>That's two machines out of three upgraded now - though not boding well for CUPS but that can always be fixed later.
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16:23<EmleyMoor>Need to tweak filesystems on the laptop...
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16:28<EmleyMoor>Ah, found something else... VNC - best way to enable that (to main desktop)?
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16:29<MTecknology>EmleyMoor: Why would you use VNC?
16:29<MTecknology>there's tightvnc, but overall, vnc is icky
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16:31<EmleyMoor>MTecknology: Or, any easy way to set up, say, x2x? I want to be able to control my laptop from a neighbouring desktop
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16:32<MTecknology>EmleyMoor: I use ssh for all management like that
16:32<EmleyMoor>MTecknology: You can't ssh your mouse across onto the laptop...
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16:34<MTecknology>I think you actually can. Point is to not "manage" it with a mouse.
16:35<EmleyMoor>I'd love to be able to "think" my way across onto another screen - open to suggestions but I am pretty sure ssh can't do this...
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16:39<retrospectacus>I use x11vnc for that (server)
16:40<retrospectacus>any vnc client will do
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16:42<beagleburt>G'day from New Zealand everyone! Am running wheezy AtTheMoment but want to upgrade to jessie, BUT it is a pretty daunting process - it seems to me! + I just read that Jessie does not have "fallback" for Gnome anymore...I am on welfare & I do not think that I can afford a 3D graphics card + my old Dell Dimension 3000 has only a PCI motherboard...? What do you suggest I do?
16:43<retrospectacus>beagleburt: maybe try Mate desktop
16:43<canvon>beagleburt: Perhaps you could use (lightdm instaed of gdm3, and) lxde instead of GNOME3?
16:44<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: I'll check on that shortly
16:44<dolan>can also recommend mate for low-end cpu/gpu
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16:46<beagleburt>retrospectacus, canvon How do I change desktop mngrs during/after a dist-upgrade?...or should I just do a fresh install?
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16:46<beagleburt>dolan, thanks "mate"!
16:47<jrabbit>um I'm having a machine force reboot every time I try to apt-get dist-upgrade
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16:49<blast007>jrabbit: can you give us a bit more context? are you trying to upgrade a Wheezy system to Jessie?
16:50<canvon>beagleburt: you would install the other desktop environment, then probably use an "update-alternatives" invocation.
16:50<jrabbit>blast007: no
16:50<jrabbit>blast007: the server just keeps crashing when i dist-upgrade
16:50<jrabbit>no logs
16:50<jrabbit>no kpanic
16:50<blast007>which version of Debian is it running?
16:50<jrabbit>apt-get and aptitude
16:51<jrabbit>was preparing to upgrade it after i had latest wheezy packages
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16:55<canvon>beagleburt: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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17:01<draxdeveloper>hello, how can i install vuze on debian jessie? I need to use magnet link but ktorrent is not working
17:01<jrabbit>draxdeveloper: try deluge?
17:02<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to calculate the number of lvm blocks a given number of ext4 blocks needs?
17:03<draxdeveloper>ok, i will try
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17:05<tremon>EmleyMoor: 1 lvm "block" is a physical extent (PE) of 4MB in size. 1 ext4 block is 4kB I guess. But why would you need to calculate?
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17:06<draxdeveloper>ok, worked
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17:14<EmleyMoor>tremon: Ease of adjusting
17:15<EmleyMoor>Seems not to be important anyway - my estimates are slightly out on the safe sid
17:16<jrabbit>draxdeveloper: i'm glad
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17:21<draxdeveloper>jrabbit, ty]
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17:22<tremon>EmleyMoor: my point was more that you can use byte sizes with lvresize (-L), so there's little need to calculate the number of extents (-l) manually
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17:26<EmleyMoor>tremon: Indeed - but there seems to be a difference (with LVM using more) between such calculations
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17:28<daveinlv>quick question for the channel.. I just installed Debian 8, along with KDE, XFCE, MATE, as I often switch between them.. After reboot, XFCE came up, which is not the DE I want right now, but it seems the XFCE greeter is missing any way to switch between DE's.... Help!!
17:30*EmleyMoor has another machine to upgrade - will probably do it on Friday
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17:41<EmleyMoor>Where is the "tray" in gnome on jessie?
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17:42<Timoteo>EmleyMoor: pull the mouse down to the bottom of the screen, it will appear
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17:42<EmleyMoor>Timoteo: It doesn't
17:42<Timoteo>pull it a bit further then :) (behind the screen edge)
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17:43<EmleyMoor>It still doesn't
17:43<EmleyMoor>Ah... there it is
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17:46<qw>when jessie become stable ?
17:46<qw>avg month ?
17:46<edhelas>hi everyone :)
17:46<edhelas>is there some systemd experts here ?
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17:47<EmleyMoor>qw: Do you mean "when will jessie release?"
17:47<qw>or when it will become stable :)
17:47<EmleyMoor>It released on Saturday just gone
17:48<EmleyMoor>I was wondering if you meant something other than it now being "stable"
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17:49<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... x11vnc was not a success... just generated lots of zombies
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17:57<EmleyMoor>Any way to display the status of the lock keys on screen? The extension that existed for Gnome isn't compatible with this version and I can't get the site to work to see if there's a new version...
18:00<AgentSudo>Hi, I'm new here but I just upgraded to Debian Jessie on my IBM ThinkPad T60p, and it's having graphics problems. When I try to do something like start a game, the colors get completely messed up. Haven't been able to find out what's wrong. Any help is appreciated, thanks.
18:01<EmleyMoor>AgentSudo: Which graphics driver?
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18:05<AgentSudo>I'm using vesa
18:05<AgentSudo>used to be using open source drivers
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18:06<AgentSudo>the open source drivers don't work anymore, and I don't know why, except that they worked before I upgraded
18:08<soundconjurer>Well.. Wifi works on my laptop now!! yey!!!
18:09<AgentSudo>ATI Radeon, to be exact
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18:14<mtn>AgentSudo: did you look at the debian wiki for ati?
18:14<AgentSudo>mtn hmm that's probably a good idea, thanks
18:14<mtn>AgentSudo: it should help
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18:17<Brigo>EmleyMoor, what extension?
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18:18<Brigo>EmleyMoor, i have a keyboard without leds :)
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18:25<AgentSudo>all the drivers mentioned in the wiki page are installed, the graphics still get goofed up for some reason.
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18:32<AgentSudo>Switching to a different machine, brb
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18:38<sleser>guys lsb_release -a and lsb_release is this 2 diferent comand ?
18:38<sleser>lsb_release -a works lsb_release will give me no lsb module are avalible problem
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18:39<jpleau>sleser: they are the same command, please see: man lsb_release : if no options are given it does the same thing as if you passed it "-v"
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18:42<sleser>so if lsb_release -a works . and lsb_release shows No LSB modules are available. , is the system damiged ?
18:42<sleser>lsb_release -v dosnt works it s hows No LSB modules are available
18:46<sleser>um looks like it half way works
18:46<sleser>can we fix this dependency issue ?
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18:50<themill>sleser: what's wrong with that output?
18:50<sleser>line 2
18:50<themill>that's a statement of fact and not a problem
18:51<sleser>ok but is my weezy damiged ? some one just mentioned last nite t hat the system is having interference or conflict
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18:51<sleser>because of some sort of maby could be a 3rd party app installed or who knows what..
18:52<themill>It's just tell you that you have no lsb modules installed. That has not much to do with anything
18:52<sleser>i cant install it it wont let me
18:52<themill>what does that mean?
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18:53<sleser>when try to install lsb-core it shows : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
18:53<sleser>lsb-core: Depends: alien (>= 8.36) but it is not going to be installed
18:53<AgentSudo>I'm back
18:53<sleser>now trying alien it wont work ether itll then show debhelper
18:53<sleser>and so on chain goes on
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18:54<themill>dpkg: tell sleser about bat
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18:56<AgentSudo>for anyone who didn't see yet: I just upgraded my IBM ThinkPad T60 from Wheezy to Jessie, and it's having graphics problems. When I try to do stuff like start a game, switch screen resolution, etc., the colors get all messed up. I read through the Debian Wiki page about ATI stuff but I already have the drivers installed that it mentions. I tried using a Debian Jessie live CD, and apparently graphics work just fine with th
18:57<AgentSudo>If anyone has any ideas give me a holler. :P Thanks
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18:57<mtn>AgentSudo: which driver did you install? which driver does the live disk use? that would be a good starting point
18:58<AgentSudo>Live CD is using the open source radeon driver
18:59<AgentSudo>The regular installed OS is supposed to be using the open source Radeon driver but for some reason it isn't
18:59<AgentSudo>It used to use it on Wheezy
19:00<mtn>AgentSudo: install inxi and Please type "inxi -Gx" (without the " marks) in a terminal and paste the results to and give us the link.
19:01<AgentSudo>mtn coming up...
19:02<AgentSudo>Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RV515/M52 [Mobility Radeon X1300] bus-ID: 01:00.0
19:02<AgentSudo> Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: fbdev,ati,vesa,radeon Resolution: 1400x1050@0.00hz
19:02<AgentSudo> GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.5, 128 bits)
19:02<AgentSudo> GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.3.2 Direct Rendering: Yes
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19:03<AgentSudo>Whoops sorry about that, should have used pastebin. Coming up
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19:04<AgentSudo>mtn here it is:
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19:06<mtn>AgentSudo: did the wiki mention any other drivers for that card? like fglrx?
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19:06<AgentSudo>yes but someone told me that I shouldn't try fglrx because ATI dropped support for that hardware years ago
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19:07<mtn>AgentSudo: did you do step 3 of the wiki?
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19:09<AgentSudo>This one? "3. Install the firmware-linux-nonfree, libgl1-mesa-dri and xserver-xorg-video-ati packages: "
19:10<mtn>AgentSudo: yes
19:10<AgentSudo>that's done already
19:10<mtn>AgentSudo: and rebooted?
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19:11<mtn>AgentSudo: sorry, I don't know why the live disk would work well and not when installed. did the live disk use the same desktop?
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19:11<AgentSudo>yes (lxde)
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19:12<AgentSudo>yeah it's pretty baffling, maybe a fresh reinstall would solve this issue?
19:12<mtn>AgentSudo: there is an ati channel on, if no one here can help
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19:13<mtn>AgentSudo: don't see any reason to reinstall, unless you did something you didn't mention
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20:20<AgentSudo>Hi everyone, just wanted to let y'all know that my graphics issues with Debian Jessie have been fixed. Turns out I still had remnants of fglrx on here. No idea why, but it's been removed now and everything seems to be in order. Thanks for the help everyone.
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20:21<somiaj>AgentSudo: that is a good way to break your debian.
20:21<somiaj>!don't break debian
20:21<dpkg>dont break debian is, like,
20:22<somiaj>AgentSudo: glad you got it working. (:
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20:25<soundconjurer>somiaj, I fixed it.
20:25<soundconjurer>It was the router.
20:25<soundconjurer>Some sort of corruption, I wiped the thing and it worked.
20:26<soundconjurer>Apparently demons.
20:26<somiaj>soundconjurer: yea, everything you said told me it wasn't the debian box. But sometimes it is hard to belive that yourself when other devices work just fine. (:
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20:36<qxt>what the url to the backports for Jessie. Cant seem to find it.
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20:36<qxt>dont want to use a full out testing. Just need a backport for a certain program.
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20:37<qxt> ?
20:38<somiaj>qxt: only difference is replace wheezy with jessie, but is the mirror i suggest
20:38<somiaj>!jessie backports
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20:39<somiaj>!tell qxt about wheezy backports (just replace wheezy with jessie)
20:39<somiaj>!tell qxt about wheezy backports
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21:13<linuxuz3r>what is the default code editor in debian
21:13<linuxuz3r>is there a way to show line numbers
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21:14<shadows>halp, bluetooth speaker pairs but doesn't show up as pulseaudio output
21:15<shadows>w/ the recent changeover to systemd, I don't even know where to start looking
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21:18<rjsalts>shadows: systemctl status ... maybe?
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21:20<shadows>I'm guessing I need to find out if pulse sees any bluetooth action when it pairs
21:20<shadows>zero idea what command to run to see that log info
21:20<rjsalts>syslog is still around I think
21:21<rjsalts>also journalctl does similar stuff for systemd services, which I think can also capture stdout of processes
21:21<rjsalts>and stderr
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21:25<linuxuz3r>how do you show line numbers in documents app in debian
21:25<linuxuz3r>i cant see any settings for it
21:25<shadows>in libreoffice or in gedit?
21:26<linuxuz3r>im on jessie
21:26<shadows>mmm... don't know what program that is
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21:26<linuxuz3r>it says on the menu its documents
21:27<shadows>try help about
21:27<Timoteo>that's gnome-documents
21:27<shadows>ah okay
21:27<linuxuz3r>oh its gedit
21:27<linuxuz3r>i dont see the line numbers
21:28<rjsalts>linuxuz3r: edit -> preferences and the view tab?
21:29<shadows>visual example of this for gedit
21:30<linuxuz3r>no thats not how it looks on my end
21:30<linuxuz3r>it doesnt have menus
21:31<shadows>menus have changed appearance recently
21:31<Timoteo>you can either use the statusbar at the bottom right, or use the menu by clicking on the "gedit" in your header bar
21:31<Timoteo>the statusbar however is quite neat to know about
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21:41<shadows>how do I make journalctl usable from my user?
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21:42<shadows>it only produces output if I run with sudo as root
21:42<shadows>es@zontar:~$ journalctl
21:42<shadows>No journal files were found.
21:42<shadows>like that.
21:43<somiaj>shadows: there is a systemd-journal group.
21:43<shadows>thanks somiaj
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21:51<jamesawagner3>I have a Dell D620 with a SigmaTel STAC9200. No programs can record from it (arecord or audacity), but alsaloop works. Anyone got ideas on what I should start pounding on?
21:51<jamesawagner3>*record from microphone
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21:58<shadows>jamesawagner3: no experience with that one directly
21:59<shadows>jamesawagner3: practical reasons, the simplest "fix" is not to use that hardware but to use a USB audio device, and you'll get better results recording
22:00<shadows>I find that Dell audio codecs are requiring options passed to the alsa module for the device driver, or to use alsamixer and set various on/off with controls until the mic input you want is working
22:00<jamesawagner3>shadows: No surprises over here. This whole laptop is a strange beast. As far as a USB dongle goes, I'm not against that, but since I know I can get alsaloop to work, I'm gonna beat on this thing till the applications recoginize it.
22:01<shadows>typically there's a selector between say digital mic 1(or 2) and analog mic 1(or 2)
22:01<shadows>sometimes it is mislabeled though
22:01<shadows>if that doesn't work like it should, then the wrong "model" has been chosen by the device driver so that the pins are not connected with the software API
22:01<shadows>or they're connected wrongly
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22:02<shadows>ALSA dev tools have a debug process for this I've had to go through before - will try to see if I can find the bug report for your info
22:02<jamesawagner3>Yeah, I gotta find that one. I know I got this mess to work once before, so I'll keep flipping stuff in alsamixer, and then start passing stuff into the module options. And Thanks!
22:03<shadows>easiest thing I found was plug in a nicer old webcam and use its mic
22:04<shadows>use that anyways because the sound is so much better than the built-in sound
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22:06<shadows>jamesawagner3: I can't find the bug report that has info you would find interesting, but here's the mailing list for the applied patch
22:07<shadows>jamesawagner3: got it! here ya go
22:08<shadows>jamesawagner3: to be sure how the OEM intended the outputs to work I had to load on Windows OS and drivers to do testing, ha
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22:09<shadows>that was the last time non-debian OS ran on this computer system :)
22:12<jamesawagner3>shadows: Very interesting little bug there. I knew from the last time I had to play with the line in, that this chipset is special. No so much on the bug front, but in the complete lack of useful features or items. Makes me want to rig up the CMedia sound card from my Pentium 3 onto the board, laptop shape be damned!
22:14<shadows>presently I'm having bluetooth issues to figure out how to make a bluetooth speaker operate correctly
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22:18<jamesawagner3>shadows: You know, I can honestly say I never had to play with bluetooth. None of my stuff has it, so I never used it. Good luck with that though.
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22:27<shadows>jamesawagner3: for want of a better diagnosis, I tried the debian experimental kernel (linux 4.0) and some things did change, better and worse
22:28<shadows>graphics glitches are gone, bluetooth glitches are greater
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22:31<jamesawagner3>shadows: Actually just fixed my issue. Turns out the analog record is control by the digital volume slider. Crank up the Digicapture, and you're golden.
22:32<jamesawagner3>And I'm definitely due for an update. Only 3.16 here, but it's a testing/sid box.
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22:32<shadows>jessie is pretty great
22:33<shadows>I'd used Ubuntu before, for usability reasons, though Gnome3 and Debian does the trick for me
22:34<shadows>getting used to systemd is taking some time
22:34<jamesawagner3>I really don't have any complaints. I always follow the testing tree, because Debian is a little slow on that front, and the number of bugs between when this was a Wheezy and now is actually pretty small. The blue VDPAU flash bug was the biggest one, and that's exclusively Adobe's fault.
22:34*jamesawagner3 shakes fist
22:35<jamesawagner3>I can't stand GNOME in general, but 3 was horrid when I used it at first. I've been on XFCE since like 2010, so I really can't comment honestly though. Probably switch to Awesome over the summer.
22:35<shadows>used to be a windowmaker fan myself
22:35<shadows>and afterstep before that
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22:36<shadows>Gnome3 at least has extensions you can turn on to disable the annoying stuff
22:36<jamesawagner3>What caused you to switch?
22:36<shadows>trying to fight Gnome2 + sawfish or metacity was forever a losing battle
22:36<shadows>I click, things work, buttons are labeled with verbs
22:37<shadows>my neurotic behavior and insistance on "just the way I like it" as a user; that was really not the fault of the software
22:39<jamesawagner3>AH! That makes a ton of sense. I generally have a lot of shells open, and don't really launch stuff outside of them, so I find I can count the time between launching the file manager in months at best.
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22:39<jamesawagner3>I really just didn't like it for the lack configurability.
22:39<jamesawagner3>I like my text files!
22:40<shadows>yeah if this was a coding machine I might just stick with fvwm and some terms
22:40<shadows>and dual monitors
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22:40<shadows>that just reminds me of the "good old days" working hardware ops for Google
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22:41<jamesawagner3>shadows: Sounds better than my job, so I must've been good.
22:41<jamesawagner3>I'm gonna split, but you have a great night now, and good luck with Bluetooth!
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22:42<shadows>best wishes for you too, take care bye
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23:15<shadows>nothing to see here
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23:26<imperia>I updated my VPS to jessie and it server loaded after restart. I guess my hosting provider does have old version of Xen? Are there any known issues?
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23:50<RayzrShrp>is this channel really this dead?
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23:50<RayzrShrp>there has been no channel output in like 20 mins
23:50<RayzrShrp>la la la la
23:50<themill>no problems means no questions
23:51<RayzrShrp>is it just me or is the journalctl man page aweful
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23:54<RayzrShrp>ok i guess its just me lol
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23:58<shadows>RayzrShrp: yes, 'lol'
23:58<shadows>honoured to be in the presence of a poet such the world has never seen before. lol.
23:59<shadows>brought to you by the makers of "To be or not to be, lol?"
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