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00:06<retrospectacus>this is what I had followed
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00:17<somiaj>retrospectacus: yea embeded systems can benifit from stripped down kernels, unforntually the kernel you are using is too stripped down and probably inscure. Not sure if debian provides any stripped down kernels for embeded systems with security support.
00:17<somiaj>but what you need is a new kernel.
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00:18<retrospectacus>I think this might be a good instruction
00:18<dfna>help please !when i load (jessie) linux 3.16 kernel, normal debian booting up process not showing,
00:19<somiaj>dfna: is the normal boot up process the see lots of text scrolling on teh screen?
00:19<somiaj>dfna: sounds like you have switched to systemd and don't get that info like sysvinit gives. Does the machine boot? What do you want to see when it boots? Does this matter if it boots?
00:20<dfna>Yes, machine is booting
00:20<somiaj>dfna: read the release notes, but during the upgrade you were switched from sysvinit to systemd so the boot looks and acts a lot different (might even be faster)
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00:21<somiaj>dfna: I'm unsure how to put more verbose boot info from systemd during the boot if that is what you want. If you want to go back to sysvinit I can point you to instructions.
00:21<dfna>but, I am used debian message at booting
00:22<somiaj>all that was the output from the init scripts with sysvinit.
00:22<dfna>somiaj: Ok, I tried sysvinit, And , I am getting messaging
00:23<somiaj>dfna: okay figured it out, look at /etc/default/grub -- do you see this line? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
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00:23<dfna>somiaj: Do systemd boot fastly than sysvinit
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00:24<somiaj>dfna: for me it does, though I also have an ssd, systemd + ssd my boot is faster than my post.
00:25<somiaj>dfna: overall it should boot faster, but alot depends on services you are running. I try to remain nutral in the systemd debate, but debian provides you either. I can either point you how to install sysvinit (if you run gnome I woudln't suggest this) or just point out that if you change that line in /etc/default/grub to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" (i.e. remove the quite default which systemd honors really well) you will see more output like ...
00:25<somiaj>... you are use to.
00:25<somiaj>after you change that line, run update-grub
00:26<dfna>somiaj:Thank you
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00:30<dfna>somiaj: are you using gnome
00:30<somiaj>dfna: no
00:30<dfna>somiaj: then
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00:32<dfna>somiaj: How i can do ssd
00:32<somiaj>dfna: ssd = solid state drive, it is a hard drive with no moving parts (works a lot like a flash drive)
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00:33<somiaj>dfna: you just get the hardware, from the user end once you install it in your system you don't notice much difference, treat it just like any hard drive.
00:33<dfna>somiaj: THat ssd :p
00:35<dfna>somiaj: My debian taking like 3 mins bootup
00:36<dfna>its way too much high, isn't
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00:36<somiaj>dfna: there is a lot to that, hardware, what you load. I also don't load xorg when I boot, so that speeds it up a lot for me too.
00:37<somiaj>dfna: be glad you don't run some server hardware, some servers have boots in the 20-30 min or more range as they have full raids they have to deal with and so on.
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00:39<danlamanna>i know this is kind of weird maybe, but not sure how to describe it. my fonts look awful, is there some widely accepted package people install or something?
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00:42<somiaj>danlamanna: fonts where? For the most part I don't hear this as much since fontconfig and true type fonts are the default now.
00:43<danlamanna>somiaj: i suppose its just within firefox now that i check out other browsers
00:43<somiaj>danlamanna: firefox? how did you install firefox?
00:44<somiaj>danlamanna: (note debian doesn't provide firefox)
00:44<danlamanna>yeah, looks like i'm at fault here. i think it was the mint repos
00:44<somiaj>danlamanna: so are you running mint? Or are you mixing packages from mint in debian. That is bad juju
00:44<somiaj>!don't break debian
00:44<dpkg>well, dont break debian is
00:45<somiaj>danlamanna: use iceweasel (it is firefox for all pratical purposes unless you really care about logos and trademarks)
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00:48<danlamanna>how can i share a screenshot with you?
00:48<danlamanna>it appears the same issue occurs in iceweasel, not in chromium
00:49<somiaj>danlamanna: you are running debian not mint correct?
00:50<danlamanna>somiaj: yes, upgraded to jessie a couple of days ago.
00:50<somiaj>danlamanna: again mixing packages from mint could have bad side effects. It could be these side effects are effecting you.
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01:16<sammcj>Hi all, I'm trying to install targetcli (iscsi target tools) on Jessie but the package seems to be missing?
01:17<sammcj>It was in Wheezy and worked fine
01:17<somiaj>sammcj: it was removed, I forget why, but I don't think there is any decent option for iscsi in jessie right now (that was what the last time I tried to help with this found out)
01:17<somiaj>,v targetcli
01:17<judd>Package: targetcli on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0rc1-2; stretch: 3.0+git0.7e32595e-2; sid: 3.0+git0.7e32595e-2; experimental: 1:3.0~pre4.1~ga55d018-1
01:18<somiaj>sammcj: you could probabaly backport the version of testing/unstable easy enough if you really want it.
01:18<sammcj>oh for gods sakes, that's the 4th application that's been removed from Jessie that's really pretty core to linux
01:18<somiaj>sammcj: -- there is the reason it was removed, check the bugreport
01:19<sammcj>so we have: no modern iscsi target, no selinux policies, no HA clustering and no check_mk :/
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01:20<somiaj>I don't know enough about iscsi and the likes to point you to what debian's solution is (if there is one). I just know ti was removed because it was buggy and there wasn't enough support from the matainer to fix the rc bug thus causing it to be removed.
01:20<somiaj>again read the bug reports if you want more info.
01:21<sammcj>whaaatttt... targetcli is linux's main modern iSCSI target toolset - it's critical to iSCSI
01:22<sammcj>I absolutely cannot believe how botched the Jessie release has been, to release and call the distro 'stable' with so many critical core packages missing is unacceptable.
01:22<somiaj>I just said I don't know much about iscsi so I can't tell you more than it was removed due to an upgrade bug not being fixed. Read the bug report if you want to know more info.
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01:32<somiaj>support for iscsi is of cousre in teh kernel which is there, seems jessies has some other tools for configuraing/magainging that. I see an 'iscsitarget' and a 'open-iscsi' package.
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02:03<patrik>how can i use debian 8 wifi in my Hp elitebook 8540w?
02:03<somiaj>patrik: most wifi cards require non-free firmware. Most likely you need to install the non-free firmware. But it depends on which wifi card you are using.
02:03<somiaj>patrik: run this command 'dmesg | grep firmware' -- do you see any output?
02:05<patrik>9.812575] iwlwifi 0000:44:00.0: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode (-2)
02:05<somiaj>patrik: you are missing the iwlwifi firmware.
02:05<somiaj>!tell patrik about non-free sources
02:06<somiaj>patrik: the easiest thing is to add non-free to your sources.list and install the firmware-iwlwifi package.
02:06<patrik>i have installed this :
02:07<somiaj>patrik: dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi
02:07<somiaj>patrik: what is the output of that?
02:07<patrik>not package
02:08<patrik>how can i install it?
02:08<somiaj>patrik: then you did not follow those instructions fully and install the firmware-iwlwifi package. You need to isntall the package.
02:08<somiaj>the page you linked has instrucions.
02:08<somiaj>patrik: there are three steps, follow the wiki. If you have a question about a paticular step please ask.
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02:11<patrik>i must restart?
02:11<patrik>gooooooooooood :)
02:11<patrik>it work
02:11<patrik>Thank you
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02:12<somiaj>patrik: sorry, anyways the modprobe command at the end reloaded teh module so you don't have to restart.
02:12<patrik>now is good
02:12<patrik>thank you
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02:16<Infiltrator>Does anybody know how to tell gs to reduce quality (and so file size) to 90%?
02:16<somiaj>Infiltrator: gs?
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02:18<somiaj>Infiltrator: in short I don't, in long I found this link, it seems detailed.
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02:19<Infiltrator>somiaj: Thanks. I've already looked and everything specifies a static DPI; I'm hoping to go 90% instead of xDPI. Or, if I can find a way to read the current DPI, I could just manually calculate it, I suppose.
02:20<Infiltrator>somiaj: Thanks.
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02:31<dfna>I installed debian LXDE though netinst on a old pc with 512 ram. Everything is fine, ( some lag is there )
02:32<dfna>But the real problem is , there is no user other than root
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02:33<dfna>I added user at installation, but cant login, --- I didnt find any gui add user
02:33<somiaj>dfna: can you login as root? (into a shell not lxde)
02:33<somiaj>dfna: ctlr-alt-f1 then login as root.
02:34<dfna>Help to add a user and I want that user to auto login
02:34<dfna>yes I can login as root
02:35<somiaj>dfna: run this, 'grep 1000:1000 /etc/passwd' -- did that return anything?
02:36<somiaj>dfna: oh youw ant autologin, okay now I understand your question.
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02:37<somiaj>dfna: for autolog in, check /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf -- look for a line #autologin-user= -- remove the # (this takes the comment out so it uses this optoin) and put the user name of your user there
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02:40<dfna>somiaj:k thanku ,
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03:43<EmleyMoor>On the "thick" companies list, from today: Seagate
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03:44<EmleyMoor>(smartctl -i tells me my drive firmware is out of date, but their bootable ISO doesn't proceed - and they say they can't help me because I'm using Debian)
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03:45<medicalwei>EmleyMoor, How about saying you are using Ubuntu and if possible they can give you debian package for firmware upgrading?
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03:46<EmleyMoor>medicalwei: Because Ubuntu isn't Windows either
03:47<medicalwei>EmleyMoor, ...I think the chat could be a little bit out of topic, but do they have utility that can run under FreeDOS for firmware upgrade?
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03:48<blindvt`1>Hi there! What's the status of debian-netbsd? suggests that it is (long) abandoned. Is that true? Should any knetbsd support in the toolchain be removed (it doesn't currently compile)?
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03:49<medicalwei>EmleyMoor, ...well it seems no. But the ISO should be bootable anyways
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03:49<EmleyMoor>medicalwei: It seems to go only a short way and stop
03:50<medicalwei>EmleyMoor, Check if the ISO or the burned CD is corrupt.
03:51<medicalwei>If neither, blame Seagate for the fault, or get another computer for firmware updating. :P
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03:52<EmleyMoor>The ISO matches on two downloads...
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03:52<EmleyMoor>Erk - disk trouble...
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03:54*EmleyMoor burns and verifies another, on the USB drive he'll boot from anyway
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03:55<medicalwei>I am not sure if USB drive would work.
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03:56<EmleyMoor>medicalwei: Why ever not? It's the standard way to boot a CD on most laptops these days.
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03:57<medicalwei>EmleyMoor, I knew those hybrid ISOs using recent syslinux would boot on USB drive but don't know if their ISO shares the same characteristic.
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03:58<EmleyMoor>medicalwei: This is a USB DVD-RW drive, not a USB stick
03:59<medicalwei>EmleyMoor, Ah xD
04:01<medicalwei>If again it doesn't work try finding a bootable FreeDOS image and dump the ISO content into the USB stick. It seems is based on FreeDOS anyways.
04:01<blindvt`1>zumbi: heya! I see you're doing the dejagnu package. Can you please consider updating to 1.5.2 or 1.5.3 if time permits? TIA && Cheers
04:03<EmleyMoor>medicalwei: Can't be sure that will work but will look
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04:14<Guest3718> Hey all, just wondering if someone has knowledge of changing mapping of keyboard keys? MY @ and " keys are switched on many default keyboard layouts :/ Macbook pro laptop
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04:26<EmleyMoor>Cannot make head nor tail of Seagate's content. FreeDOS runs OK...
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04:30<EmleyMoor>The ISO boots OK on qemu, so unless I'm having trouble getting it written right to a CD, I can't see why I'm having a problem unless it's something to do with the motherboard
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04:32<EmleyMoor>What's the right way to verify a burned CD against the image it was made from?
04:32<naveko>Hi all! I need to partition a Debian VM but I am not sure how to do it without wiping everything off the system
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04:32<EmleyMoor>naveko: You say this is a VM - what exactly are you trying to achieve?
04:33<dfna>somiaj here ?
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04:33<somiaj>dfna: just ask your question if you have one, no need to seek out the person who helped you before
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04:33<naveko>EmleyMoor: we have a virtual machine from our server provider but we have control over it
04:34<naveko>when they delivered it there was nothing on it
04:34<dfna>somiaj: I tried to create user using useradd, went good, but it is not creating directory in/home
04:34<dfna>somiaj: there is only one /home/user
04:34<naveko>now we have installed software and we're running some sites on it, but there is a lot of unused space
04:35<somiaj>dfna: didn't I suggest 'adduser'
04:35<EmleyMoor>naveko: Unused as in "within the partitions you set up but spare" or as in "not partitioned"?
04:35<somiaj>dfna: useradd is different, adduser is better unless you want to control every aspect such as creating $HOME, define it and so forth.
04:35<dfna>and i dont remember creating user "user"
04:35<naveko>I checked with cfdisk and I see there is a LVM2_member of about 30GB
04:35<naveko>and there is free space of about 300 GB
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04:36<EmleyMoor>Is that free space on the drive outside the partitions so far defined?
04:36<EmleyMoor>(i.e. is it cfdisk that shows it free?)
04:37<naveko>EmleyMoor: seems like it.. cfdisk shows three lines: under FS type two of them are defined as free space
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04:37<naveko>is it possible to paste an image here?
04:37<EmleyMoor>naveko: You can create new partitions safely in there as long as you don't interfere with anything else.
04:37<naveko>I can make a screenshot
04:38<EmleyMoor>dpkg: pastebin
04:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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04:43<naveko>as you can see we have the sda1 partition and a lot of free space
04:44<EmleyMoor>naveko: Make new partitions for filesystems or LVM in that free space to your heart's content. Just don't touch sda1 and you'll be fine
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04:44<naveko>EmleyMoor: how can I do that?
04:44<EmleyMoor>naveko: Use cfdisk to do it...
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04:47<naveko>EmleyMoor: If I create a new partition I can choose between primary and logical.. I suppose it should be 'logical'?
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04:48<EmleyMoor>naveko: Can be primary or logical - only rule is, if you want more than four, the 4th onwards have to be logical
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04:51<naveko>EmleyMoor: like this?
04:52<naveko>just hit 'write'?
04:52<EmleyMoor>naveko: Yes, that would do...
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05:08<naveko>EmleyMoor: thanks for your help!
05:08<orjan>hi, just updated to jessie and has to change from gnome to xfce to be able to run xmonad, thinking of getting rid of gdm, any recomendation on login manager, ease of setup, lightweight?
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05:18<EmleyMoor>When I'm using vino on jessie, all my available VNC clients seem to be trying to authenticate in an unavailable way - can anyone advise me how to fix this?
05:19<EmleyMoor>Does vino normally create a log somewhere?
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05:23<EmleyMoor>Ah, sorted... turn off "Require encryption" to fix.
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05:28<orjan>hi, what to get rid of gnome, as a start a new login manager, any recomendation? ( runs xfce instead now)
05:29<UsecAgo>how do I use gnome if it complains about 3D in .xsession-errors? ...WARNING **: software acceleration check failed: Child process exited with code 1
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05:30<berarma>orjan, I've tried others and I've stayed with gdm
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05:31<berarma>UsecAgo, can't you ignore the warning? Is it working?
05:33<orjan>berarma: ok could you hint why ;) now I have to login in gdm, and chose session in xfce ( running xmonad that doesn work together with gnome3)
05:33<UsecAgo>it doesn't work. all I get is a "OH. no..." screen
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05:34<babilen>Is there a way to force installation of recommended packages on upgrades?
05:34<berarma>orjan, it's lightweight and easy to configure
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05:35<musca>UsecAgo: which graphics card and which dricher do you use?
05:36<berarma>orjan, I guess xmonad should be run inside its own session not inside gnome3
05:36<orjan>berarma: do you know if gdm can be configured to chose between sessions in xfce?
05:36<berarma>orjan, I've used i3 and it comes with it's own session, I just select it in gdm when I login
05:36<orjan>berarma: xmonad works great with gnome2 but not with gnome3
05:37<berarma>orjan, don't you get the session selector when logging in?
05:37<orjan>berarma: ok I'l check
05:37<musca>UsecAgo: for AMD Radeon cards with the free xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver you will usually need the package firmware-linux-nonfree
05:37<orjan>no it's a second step, when xfce starts
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05:40<berarma>orjan, when I'm asked for the password in gdm there's a little wheel besides the login button that opens a session menu where I can select Gnome or i3.
05:41<EmleyMoor>One report about my laptop... provided you install xbacklight, it seems to be fine with the free radeon driver.
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05:42<orjan>berarma: ok I had that setup in wheezy, now I start xfce in that step
05:43<UsecAgo>I use an atom whitout graphics' card
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05:45<a23155>are you a girl
05:45<a23155>that is hot
05:45<a25803>i know right
05:46<a25803>A2wnser me pls
05:46<a25803>i need the D
05:46<a23155>ok where are you?
05:46<a25803>In a room
05:46<a23155>i have a very big d
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05:47<a23109>puta do caralho
05:47<a23155>show me your boobs
05:47<EmleyMoor>!ops Invasion in progress
05:47<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: emleymoor complains about: Invasion in progress
05:47<a23109>tua prima bogdan
05:47<a25803>Pls give me the D
05:47<a23155>ok where are you?
05:47<a25803>I have it
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05:48<@babilen>EmleyMoor: ta
05:48<EmleyMoor>babilen: I think there's still one more
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05:51<UsecAgo>need to learn and ask about LVM2 in debian... my PC at home got a bad hangover after dist-upgrade
05:52<UsecAgo>any LVM2 channel??
05:52<EmleyMoor>I've been using it for years - it's not bad as long as you don't need to resize a critical filesystem - if you do, it's a grml job
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06:00<@babilen>UsecAgo: It typically helps if you just ask your question. There also isn't a specific channel for LVM2 on Debian (as that would be way too specific)
06:01<ovscumbag>kali linux support here?
06:01<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
06:01<SynrGy>ovscumbag: no. see above
06:01<ovscumbag>ok thanks
06:01<SynrGy>ovscumbag: also please note it's on freenode, not this network
06:05<ovscumbag>yeah i found em. im not sure what kind of help i need though honestly, is that pretty much my only option for general linux support?
06:05<ovscumbag>on irc^
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06:07<musca>ovscumbag: you can try ##linux on freenode
06:08<ovscumbag>cool, thanks dudes
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06:09<orjan>berarma: thanks, you got me thinking, I was trying to match my setup from wheezy, but perhaps should setup xmonad without dm, thanks
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06:10<berarma>orjan, happy to help find your ways
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06:25<ThomasKeller>with Wheezy now being oldstable, for how long will wheezy repositories remain operational ?
06:25<ThomasKeller>do they stay forever, or will they be deleted after some time ?
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06:26<ThomasKeller>will I be able to install wheezy packages after 5 years, for example ?
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06:35<zumbi>blindvt`1: ack
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06:36<blindvt`1>zumbi: thanks
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06:38<bd>jessie kvm virtual machine, cat /sys/devices/virtual/block/dm-1/queue/scheduler => none
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06:39<bd>in dmes i can see that schedulers are loaded
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06:42<musca>ThomasKeller: Old versions become archived.
06:42<dpkg>OldStable the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Wheezy (7) is oldstable. It is recommended to upgrade your system(s) to the current stable release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. See also <lifespan> <wheezy-lts>.
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06:43<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces
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06:44<musca>ThomasKeller: ^^ you can still access every version of every package of the last 10 Years.
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06:48*EmleyMoor is waiting until his backup finishes, and will then begin preparatory work - plan to put jessie on this machine tomorrow
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07:13<kblin>btw, is there a nice and easy way to build a custom debian repo? I've got like a handful of deb packages I'd like to make installable for debian machines. for ubuntu, a launchpad PPA works fine, but what's the best way of doing this for debian proper?
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07:15<joehh>kblin: reprepro works well
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07:49<martysia>I'm new in Debian
07:49<martysia>used to use WIndows for years
07:49<martysia>switched to Linux half of the year ago
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07:49<martysia>and couple of weeks ago installed Debian
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07:50<martysia>and here's my question
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07:50<martysia>how do I install QCAD?
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07:51<martysia>is it possible?
07:51<martysia>it didn't work on my LinuxMint
07:51<martysia>don't know why
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07:52<martysia>is it in repos ?
07:52<gsimmons>dpkg: qcad
07:52<dpkg>QCad is a computer-aided design application developed by RibbonSoft. Parts of the QCad Community Edition were released under the GPL but are no longer maintained and rely on Qt3; QCad was removed from Debian at <6.0.4> to resolve bug #645043. A free Qt4 replacement is available, ask me about <librecad>.
07:52<gsimmons>martysia: As above, you want to use LibreCAD instead.
07:52<martysia>I already have libreCAD
07:52<martysia>but it doesn't have the features that I need
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07:54<martysia>how about any programm that would allow .dwg files to import ?
07:54<martysia>to open?
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07:55<vengel>I'v never used some what to import .dwg files.
07:55<martysia>and, ideally, to do the pre-measurement (takeoff) of construction sites?
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07:57<vengel>what do you want to do ?
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07:58<martysia>I'm attending a course
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07:58<martysia>on computer aided takeoffs of construction works
07:58<martysia>and I wish to learn
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07:58<martysia>how to use the program
07:59<martysia>but I don't have a a program
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08:00<vengel>try it
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08:00<martysia>I guess I would need to pay for this one
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08:12<Khank>Hi guys, do you know a simple way to convert my openssh authorised_keys so that dropbear can use them? I need this for a early ssh (before disk decryption)
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08:14<martysia>my youtube wideos won't play on this computer
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08:14<martysia>could it be due to too old hardware?
08:14<Khank>martysia: what error does the browser give?
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08:15<martysia>it doesn't give any
08:15<musca>and which browser is it?
08:15<martysia>it's just the black screen of the video
08:15<martysia>I conldn't install google chrome
08:16<Khank>martysia: do you have javascript disabled?
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08:16<musca>I'm watching youtube videos with iceweasel and it works just fine
08:16<martysia>it popped up with a message that my hardware is no longer supported
08:16<musca>with any flashplayer.
08:16<Khank>can you try a simple apt-get update and upgrade?
08:16<musca>er, *without!
08:17<Khank>me too, no flash player at all
08:17<martysia>I can try
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08:18<vengel>good bye
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08:18<Khank>try and let us know. Also check if js is enabled
08:18<martysia>how do I check the js?
08:19<martysia>in the browser settings?
08:19<musca>Khank: i dropped your question into a google search and it finds lots of Howtos for dropbear. Did you already try any steps?
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08:23<Khank>musca: yes I did, but seems like many are for openwrt and other have different paths (some are a bit outdated), so if someone knew here a working howto or could indicate a way it would have saved quite some time
08:23<Khank>martysia: can you see the youtube comments?
08:23<Khank>by default js should be enabled, so if you did not play around it should work
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08:25<martysia>Khank yes I can see them
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08:26<Khank>Ok, so js is enabled, try an update/upgrade, see how it goes
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08:35<martysia>takes time
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08:38<Volley>did run into some upgrade problem with python3-six , python3-uno, ... ( debian sid from yesterday to today ), now trying to get rid of inconsistent packages. didn't yet figure out where the problem is...
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08:38<themill>the problem is a borked python3.4 package
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08:39<Volley>themill: do you know which one is/are borked?
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08:41<Volley>ah ... you mean python3.4 itself?
08:41<themill>yes, libpython3.4-minimal
08:41<martysia>till what year is debian wheezy supported?
08:42<dpkg>The security team tries to support a <stable> distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. For the <squeeze> release, there is a volunteer effort to extend security support to a total of five years; ask me about <squeeze-lts>.
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08:42<themill>Volley: you could downgrade all the binary packages from the python3.4 source package to work your way out of it. There's probably a way of fixing the package that's there too
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08:44<martysia>is dpkg a bot?
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08:45<douglasbrito>hello all
08:45<blindvt`1>dpkg: are you a bot?
08:45<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
08:45<douglasbrito>how to compile to git hub files
08:45<douglasbrito>please how to compile
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08:46<blast007>douglasbrito: they have build instructions linked there
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08:46<douglasbrito>I do not even know where to start
08:46<douglasbrito>already copied the files with git clone
08:47<douglasbrito>the next step is that I do not know
08:47<blast007>douglasbrito: did you even look at their build instructions?
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08:48<martysia>what is a depmod?
08:49<dpkg>This is how the kernel module depedency list is created. It's done automatically (forcefully, even if it exists) on every boot in debian
08:49<martysia>it's terminated my command prompt
08:50<blast007>martysia: you're gonna have to be more specific
08:50<martysia>no, sorry, it is working again
08:50<jas4711>how do i verify the integrity of d-i files below ? I can't find a PGP signature
08:50<Volley>themill: thanks, it seems i managed my way out of it :)
08:50<themill>good to hear
08:50<douglasbrito> where is it? @blast007
08:51<blast007>douglasbrito: scroll down on the page you linked to
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08:53<douglasbrito>ok, in the outer page
08:53<douglasbrito>not ocmpile
08:53<blast007>douglasbrito: it's also in the file you have
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08:53<martysia>I have run the apt-get upgrade
08:54<martysia>and it was working and workin
08:54<martysia>and then it said
08:54<martysia>time limit over...
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08:56<blast007>martysia: please provide the complete output (along with the command you ran) and put it on (and then give us the link)
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08:56<martysia>but it's in polish
08:56<martysia>will you understand
08:57<blast007>!localized errors
08:57<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
08:58<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
08:59<martysia>oh, sorry
09:00<martysia>Configuring LibreOffice (1: 3.5.4 + dfsg2-0 + deb7u4) ...
09:00<martysia> Configuring libreoffice-evolution (1: 3.5.4 + dfsg2-0 + deb7u4) ...
09:00<martysia> Processing package triggers of the menu ...
09:00<martysia> Error: timeout
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09:05<martysia>soory, I'm learning, I've pasted the output from the command line, it goes like this:
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09:07<Khank>martysia: happens, dont' worry
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09:08<martysia>who else is a bot in here?
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09:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
09:11<martysia>so? should I run the command apt-get upgrade one more time now?
09:11<volter>You are the only human being here.
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09:12<medicalwei>martysia, try apt-get -f install
09:12<Khank>If you are not a bot too
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09:12<medicalwei>this command will try to keep dpkg in shape
09:12*medicalwei looks at dpkg
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09:14<dpkg>Hi, medicalwei!
09:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:14<remyl>Hi dpkg
09:14<devil>remyl: just ask
09:14<devil>remyl: dpkg is a bot :)
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09:14<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
09:14<devil>yes, you are!
09:15*dpkg breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow...
09:15<remyl>Install Debian jessie!
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09:16<devil>good statement, not a question though
09:16<medicalwei>remyl, do you have any problem with installations?
09:16<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>.
09:16<remyl>When i startup my Mate terminal and use top. see two user!
09:17<medicalwei>use w to see who else.
09:17<remyl>When i do the same with Guake and then use top i see i user!
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09:18<volter>Is anybody using teamd with Jessie? I must confess, I'm a bit at loss. Do I have to manage the IP configuration via network manager then?
09:18<remyl>Sorry with Guake i see 1 user if i use the "top" command.
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09:20<martysia>ok, so the commands apt-get update and apt-get upgrade didn't solve the problem - sitll having black screen on youtube videos
09:21<remyl>Ok after looking in to the problem. I used the coomand "w" to see the active users.
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09:22<remyl>Ok it is a x-session-mamager under my user name!
09:22<remyl>problem solved!
09:22<remyl>It was a extra mate terminal session.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:23<remyl>When i closed the session i when i way in "top".
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09:24<martysia>why can he put more than one line in here and I cannot?
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09:24<remyl>Sorry i'm new to do forum.
09:24<medicalwei>martysia, you are putting it too fast.
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09:25<martysia>lol, ok :)
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09:25<medicalwei>martysia, it is considered flooding especially when you copy and paste many lines into the IRC.
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09:28<martysia>ok, so, any ideas on how to solve the youtube issue?
09:30<Khank>martysia: do other vide streaming sites work?
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09:30<Khank>you can try installing a plugin for iceweasel that forces videos in html5
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09:33<Khank>I'm having some troubles trying to do an ssh at the boot (befor disk unencryption). Seems like the server is not recognising wlan0 at startup, even though I edited /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/network_config
09:33<jpleau>How do I stop lightdm from starting at boot? systemctl disable lightdm.service seems to be what I'm after, but after a reboot it still starts (this is for Jessie)
09:35<douglasbrito>how to compile from github
09:35<douglasbrito>how to ?
09:35<dpkg>tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg
09:36<medicalwei>douglasbrito, what exact package?
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09:36<Khank>douglasbrito: it is usually written in the README file inside the folder
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09:36<martysia>Khank yes, I've checked one other site and it works (very slowly, but it does)
09:37<douglasbrito>please help
09:37<jpleau>systemctl set-default (frmo seems to be what I needed
09:37<douglasbrito>im not in english
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09:37<douglasbrito>in english
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09:38<medicalwei>douglasbrito, this is a pack of scripts for compiling Android
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09:38<douglasbrito>how to compile ?
09:38<Khank>martysia: try a plugin to force html5, choose one from like here
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09:38<medicalwei>douglasbrito, and sorry you are in the wrong channel :'3
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09:38<douglasbrito>no help ?
09:38<medicalwei>douglasbrito, what's the language you are native in?
09:38<douglasbrito>br br hue
09:39<douglasbrito>horuxan im am
09:39<douglasbrito>i am
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09:39<Skylemz>podia deixar de ser babaca e para de queimar os brasileiros
09:39<towo^work>douglasbrito, this is not an android channel
09:39<douglasbrito>what android channel ?
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09:41<Khank>I'm having some troubles trying to do an ssh at the boot (befor disk unencryption). Seems like the server is not recognising wlan0 at startup, even though I edited /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/network_config
09:42<Khank> (sorry if I repaste my question, but maybe someone has come that knows an answer)
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09:45<martysia>thanks Khank, it works now, but very very slowly - it's rather a slideshow than a video - what can I do to improve that?
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09:46<martysia>it's a network shared with other computer - and the Debian one is a client (debian PC>eth0>LinuxMintnetbook (host)>wifi)
09:47<Khank>martysia: unfortunatly I think that depends on your internet connection. Can you give me the output of ifconfig eth0|grep -i mtu
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09:48<martysia>UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
09:49<Khank>try giving a sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu 1454
09:49<Khank>or whatever you are using, eth0, wlan0
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09:52<Khank>martysia: but that will only speed up the connection a bit, if it is slow there is no way to get it to go fast. You can maybe go for downloading the videos and watching them later
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09:55<Ir0nsh007er_>salute gang ..Bon matin / Good morning
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09:56<Khank>Ir0nsh007er_: morning =)
09:56<squish>Hi. I've got a problem with lvm/luks. The encrypted swap partition isn't used. At boottime I'm being asked for it's password, which should be taken from /dev/urandom. however, the encrypted device is never generated, and so it can't be used.
09:56<squish>/etc/fstab und /etc/crpttab should be okay, as far as I know.
09:57<martysia>ok, this didn't help - I see no difference but thanks anyway
09:57<squish>has anyone an idea, what's wrong?
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10:12<petn-randall>squish: I don't understand your setup. If you're taking the password from /dev/urandom, you're creating the LUKS partition new on every boot?
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10:14<petn-randall>squish: If you're using /dev/urandom to decrypt it, it will always fail, because the changes are pretty low to pull the right password from /dev/urandom. ;)
10:14<squish>sorry,got an call.
10:15<squish>So. My setup was created by the installer. You're right, that I want to create a new swap partition on every boot, and it worked in the past without problems.
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10:16<petn-randall>squish: How does the setup look in detail that does this?
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10:18<squish>basically as described in this article:
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10:19<martysia>how do I install the lx-viewer?
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10:20<martysia>I have downloaded the file lx_viewer-1.0.3.tar.gz and what to do now?
10:20<squish>According to the Internetz this should work, as long as I don't care what has been in the swap before the last shutdown.
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10:21<squish>martysia: tar -xzf lx_viewer-1.0.3.tar.gz
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10:28<martysia>squish the command didn't work - there was no output and there is no lx-viewer in my programs
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10:30<blast007>martysia: lx-viewer does not appear to be packaged for Debian (unless I'm just failing at searching), so you'd have to build/install it yourself.
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10:33<martysia>ok, I'm using the Khank's link in order to install it
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10:36<squish>martysia, khang already posted the manual -
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10:36<petn-randall>squish: Which of the two options are you using? I'm also not sure if Debian supports it out of the box. You might need to do manual changes that Arch has by default.
10:36<squish>If you want to extract a tar.gz file, the command is tar -xzf filename.
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10:38<squish>petn, ubuntu supports it as well, and I think, that it worked on debian a few years ago, even though I've been using ubuntu during the past few years.
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10:39<martysia>I have typed the first 2 commands and after the second one (make) there are loads of things going on in the command prompt
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10:39<martysia>how long should it take?
10:40<squish>And I'm using the "Without suspend-to-disk support" Option, and everything has been done by the debian installer, so far.
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10:42<squish>martysia, make compiles the source code to a program. It depends on the program as well as on your computer, how long that takes. Usually something between two seconds and several hours.
10:42<martysia>it says sth about the hpcups in the command prompt
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10:43<martysia>ok, done - now the third command, thanks :)
10:43<Ir0nsh007er>bug here whit apt update:
10:43<Ir0nsh007er>Err jessie InRelease
10:43<Ir0nsh007er>Err jessie Release.gpg
10:43<Ir0nsh007er> Impossible de se connecter à : [IP : 2604:8400:0:2::5 80]
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10:43<Khank>Guys, I'm having some troubles with the ssh unencryption of a jessie server. Basically I don't get how to estabilish an ssh connection. I installed dropbear and busybox
10:44<squish>Khank: ssh -l username servername
10:45<squish>or: ssh username@host:port
10:45<squish>Very simple.
10:45<Ir0nsh007er>W: Impossible de récupérer
10:45<Khank>squish: does not work, I don't think initramfs manages to connect
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10:46<martysia>whre do I find the program now? it is not in the menu
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10:47<Khank>squish: the ssh connection has to be established befor root is mounted, since I have to unencrypt it
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10:47<squish>khank, I don't think anyone here uses this program, so you'll need to read what's written in the manual. It appears helpful.
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10:47<Khank>martysia: try typing the name of the program on the command line
10:47<themill>Ir0nsh007er: you might like to pick a more reliable mirror there
10:47<themill>dpkg: tell Ir0nsh007er about
10:48<Ir0nsh007er>bug apt updtek i tryç
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10:48<Khank>squish: any program will do, if someone has a good way to unencrypt the device from remote
10:48<martysia>command not found
10:48<squish>Evil server, huh... Unfortunally I don't know anything about initramfs-stuff.
10:49<squish>Even though it's interesting.
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10:50<Khank>Yeah, it seemed to me a basic security thing but is more complicated than I thought =D
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10:51<squish>I think full disk encryption is not for servers. On a server one would encrypt the data partition, and leave the root partition unencrypted, I think. Therefore, no need for any initramfs-stuff. The server would boot, start the sshd, and ten you'd have to manually log in and do evil stuff.
10:51<squish>I mean... boting stuff. With computers.
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10:52<martingale>squish, why do you say servers should not encrypt?
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10:53<Khank>squish: dont you think is less secure to have the root unencrypted?
10:54<martingale>particularly for physical attacks, an unencrypted root partition is insecure
10:55<Khank>martingale: do you know how to remotely unencrypt root?
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10:55<martingale>Khank, the /boot partition is still unencrypted
10:56<Khank>martingale, yes
10:56<blast007>Khank: KVM-over-IP
10:56<squish>martin, I'm just an amateur, but It seems to be rather complicated to start sshd from the initramfs, in order to... Do what? Have the server hang as long as you don't enter it's password for the system partition?
10:57<martingale>honestly, I don't know. I've never tried.
10:57<martingale>but that SEEMS like something a lot of people would want to do
10:58<Khank>blast007: I'm looking this KVM-over-IP, it's a device right?
10:58<martysia>once more please - I have installed it but it is not shown in the menu and typing the lx_viewer-1.0.3 into the command line results in 'no such command' - what sould I do now?
10:58<squish>We're talking about a VPS in the rooms of some hosting company.
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10:58<Khank>well, there are quite some guides around this early ssh, is that I'm a simple hobby guy and have troubles following them
10:59<blast007>Khank: either a separate device that plugs into the computer, a built-in system (IPMI), or VNC/remote access that VPS systems give
10:59<Khank>martysia: nothing written in the guide about it?
10:59<squish>martysia, if you install a self compiled program from 2003, it won't show up in any menu. There is an executable, which has a name and a location, by which you can start the program via shell.
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11:00<martysia>I have used every 3 commands: % ./configure % make % make install only each without the '%'
11:00<Khank>blast007: do you think this is better than an ssh to the boot?
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11:00<blast007>(of course, there's other security implications of remote access systems, IPMI being particularly horrid and exploitable, but requiring private VPN tunneling to the baseboard management device helps)
11:01<blast007>Khank: I've not done much with FDE to know what methods are available for decrypting
11:01<martysia>gosh I guess I know what I've done wrong
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11:02<martysia>I have went into the /Dwonloads folder instead of going into the file folder and I have installed all the programmes that I have in my /Dowloads folder
11:02<Khank>martysia: you probabily have done everything right, but as squish says you only have to find the executable and launch it via shell
11:03<martysia>so I have installed everything except the programm itself, is that correct?
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11:04<martysia>that's all because of the different language:(
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11:05<squish>By the way... Khank, you seem to be a nice, paranoid guy. Maybe you could help me with something - I've freshly installed Jessie, and now my encrypted swap partition refuses to work. It's included in the /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab as it should be, and the volume exists, but luks appears to have forgotten how to handle swap partitions with random keys.
11:05<Khank>no, you already got everything, you just have to find the little file that starts the program, probabily in /usr/bin/lx-whatwasit
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11:07<squish>martysia: I'd bet the manual will help you with this problem as well.
11:08<Khank>squish: thanks, unfortunately I'm not as good as I'm paranoid. I can tell you that if everything fails you can delete the swap and do it again with encryptfs
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11:08<squish>Paranoia is healthy.
11:08<petn-randall>Depends on the level.
11:09<Khank>Or make a LVM under the main encrypted partition
11:09<squish>However I'd prefer luks for some sentimental reason. But I think I could start deleting the volume, and recreating it from scratch.
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11:10<squish>the HD is a LVM, and at this poin't I can't change that. All my porn would be gone, you know.
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11:11<petn-randall>too much information
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11:12<squish>It's been a joke, but it would be too much work to change the partition layout at this point and reconfigure everything.
11:13<Khank>Well, can't you just cut the swap and encrypt it with encryptfs?
11:13<Khank>shouldn't be more than 10 minutes job
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11:14<squish>Probably. I haven't used encryptfs before.
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11:15<Khank>There is a bit of tutorial
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11:16<squish>I'll give it a try. By the way, what was your documentation for the fully-encrypted-server? I'd be interested in such a thing too.
11:16<martysia>there is for example lxterminal
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11:16<martysia>but it might be to lxde
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11:17<martysia>there is nothing with lx-anything
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11:19<Khank>squish: well, basically in the installation you create a GB for /boot and the rest as an encrypted volume. After proceeding you make the encrypted volume a group and put volumes in it i.e. /, /var, /home, swap
11:20<Khank>a reason to do this and not simple partitions is that I only have to give one single password, not one for var, for home and so on
11:20<Khank>then well, is just another server
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11:22<martysia>quote: "It really is NOT an open source project. It can not be used without a library from the very misleadingly named "OpenDWG", which will cost you hundreds of dollars for a membership unless you can get the educational membership and that requires..."
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11:22<martysia>how do I uninstall it?
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11:23<Khank>martysia: usually sudo apt-get remove PACKAGENAME
11:23<Khank>martysia: if is proprietary sudo apt-get purge PACKAGENAME && autoremove
11:24<squish>I know this procedure, khank. Being a good paranoid guy myself, I've done this before. But I think it would be really interesting, to use a SSH Deamon to get the password. Even though there might be concerns regarding the quality of the random pool or problems with the DHCP config, and so on.
11:25<squish>Martysia, he compiled something, so apt-get is not an option
11:26<squish>It's a very old program I've never heard about, and he asked for help even before typing ./configure
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11:26<Khank>martysia: squish is right, I forgot you compiled it, it should be in the manual anyway
11:27<squish>martysia: make uninstall
11:27<squish>or was it remove? delete? I think uninstall.
11:27<Khank>squish: you mean you are worried about the password leaking from the ssh?
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11:29<squish>khank, I think, that SSH needs some good randomness for its session keys, before you can call it "secure". Otherwise there will be just a few possible keys.
11:30<squish>There once has been a very evil bug in the debian RNG. Because of it it was only possible to generate ~32000 differend GPG Keys. You can download the private keys for them all.
11:30<squish>"all of them".
11:30<martysia>ok, thank, done
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11:30<martysia>and how do I install only one programm from the folder containing many programmes?
11:31<martysia>because now I have uninstalled all of the programmes
11:31<squish>martysia: apt-get install programmname.
11:31<martysia>uninstall* sorry
11:31<Khank>squish, the ssh random_seed you think is not enough?
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11:32<martysia>no, using 'make' I mean
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11:32<squish>martysia maybe you should read a book about how to do basic linux stuff. The thing is, that you can't always ask people for the really basic stuff, because that's annoying.
11:33<Khank>It had quite some audit and if you secure the connection with a keyfile, not only a passphrase, it may be not that easy to hack
11:33<squish>martysia, you run make uninstall in the folder in which you have compiled the program. Then, and only then, it uninstalls something. Otherwise there is no Makefile, and it doesn't know what to delete.
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11:34<squish>Khank, I don't know. Maybe some evil guy overwrites it with random data from /dev/zero.
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11:35<Khank>That would mean they already have root access
11:37<Khank>anyway, in case you care, I found out that I already had a guide for early ssh! it's in /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.remote.gz
11:38<squish>Yes, Khank, but if they wouldn't have root access, the classical way of encryption your data partition would suffice.
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11:39<squish>Maybe we're thinking about a different kind of attacker.
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11:40<squish>My hypothetical attacker usually is my behated governement, which has many ressources and can force die ISP to do what they want. So, they have root access.
11:41<Khank>the ISP should not have the keys
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11:42<Khank>especially if all the traffic in and out is encrypted on a network overlay
11:43<squish>That's true, but therefore it would be just another step to manipulate the initramfs or the random seed in order to get around the encryption.
11:43<Khank>and anyway with the government is not really a matter if they *can* have your data, beacause they can.
11:43<Khank>But you should make the process time and resource consuming as much as you can
11:44<squish>Depends on the governement and your profile. Maybe you're not worth the price.
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11:44<squish>My paranoid friend. I like you.
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11:49<squish>I find the idea interesting, to enter the password via ssh before anything is booted.
11:49<dunja>I just installed debian from netinst and I've got weirdest problem ever: apt-get works but nothing else(iceweasel, ping, traceroute etc) doesn't. How is that even possible?
11:50<squish>But, as I said, the initramfs or the seed would be more or less the same attakc vector you'd have on an unencrypted system.
11:50<squish>dunja, maybe it's not installed?
11:50<martysia>you, bot, remind me please how to upgrade the system from Debian Wheezy to Jessy ?
11:51<dunja>squish: " Name or service not known"
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11:51<dunja>squish: "iceweasel can't find server at"
11:52<martysia>dpkg, how to upgrade the system from Debian Wheezy to Jessie?
11:52<dpkg>martysia: no idea
11:52<FlowRiser>Has anybody tried Debian on those new ultrabooks (foldable with touchscreen) that usually run Windows?
11:52<squish>and khank, you could find out, if you can protect the initramfs somehow via TPM. I think such a thing was the original reason for creating it, before it got abused by Microsoft and other evil factions.
11:53<Khank>squish: at least they do not know what programs you have installed, to say one thing, or they do not have configuration files at hand
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11:53<squish>dunja, it appears you don't have network connectivity. Try ping If that dowsn't work, you don't have a network.
11:54<Khank>squish, I dind't know what TPM was, looks interesting, thanks!
11:54<dunja>squish: it works
11:55<squish>and what about ping
11:55<dunja>squish: unknown host
11:55<squish>then DNS doesn't work. How do you access the internet?
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11:56<blast007>probably just needs to set up DNS servers in the network configuration
11:56<squish>so you're using PPPoE?
11:57<dunja>no idea
11:58<squish>Usually you have a router between you and the internet, which gives you an IP and DNS server via DHCP, and most people let something like NetworkManager do the work for them.
11:58<nevyn>just use ?
11:59<squish> is a NDS server, yes.
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12:12<Khank>syntax: hello
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12:34<debijit>there is no audio in my laptop,,,, help
12:35<devil>martysia: #debian-offtopic
12:35<petn-randall>!tell debijit -about ask
12:37<debijit>no sound in my laptop, but when i run X as root, and comeback to normal user, there is volume
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12:38<melmothX>running X as root is bad by definition, fwiw
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12:39<debijit>malmothx, : I enabled it for some tsting stuff,,
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12:48<sunbird>how does one disable the gnome-keyring gpg agent in favor of gpg-agent?
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13:47<Skylemz>pause to lunch ???
13:47<kiwiman>why are they not allowing Tor in this channel?
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13:49<Khank>kiwiman: that is a question I asked myself too
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13:49<squish>me too, btw.
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13:50<Khank>see you
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14:27<celia>Hi everyone
14:27<celia>I need some help with a problem I'm experiencing with and Intel 855GM video card
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14:29<celia>this is my lspci output for the VGA section: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
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14:30<celia>I'm trying to use the intel X11 driver but I'm getting an error stating that no devices where found
14:30<celia>is there something I'm missing?
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14:42<juanpi>hi again...i got the error
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14:43<juanpi>abrotman, there is the failure and kworker takes over the cpu
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14:45<abrotman>juanpi: you changed networks :)
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14:47<juanpi>abrotman, ups
14:47<juanpi>abrotman, thanks, going back to freenode
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15:10<EmleyMoor>In aptitude, how do I move to the "why installed" section?
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15:30<gcr>hy, can you help me to disable bios sound in thunar? ps. & not only in thunar
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15:31<celia>gcr, you want to disable the pc speaker_
15:33<gcr>celia, yes, because when i press "backspace" in thunar or want to turn off PC it's make beep
15:35<gcr>celia, or how can i turn it off in thunar?
15:35<celia>gcr, alright, you will need to block the pcspkr kernel module from auto loading. In order to do that, add the following line to /etc/modprobe.d/pcspkr.conf
15:36<celia>gcr, 'blacklist pcspkr' (without ') and then run depmod -ae ; update-initramfs -u
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15:36<celia>gcr, restart the computer after that. You should be done
15:37<gcr>ok, thanks
15:37<celia>you can do it in a simple line
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15:37<gcr>celia, now when i have notify from this channel it's also sound
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15:38<celia>echo 'blacklist pcspkr' >> /etc/modprobe.d/pcspkr.conf ; depmod -ae ; update-initramfs -u ; shutdown -r now
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15:38<gcr>celia, thanks, i understood
15:38<celia>gcr, where is the sound comming from?
15:38<celia>gcr, welcome
15:39<gcr>celia, programm is Quassel, and it's from speaker inside the pc
15:40<celia>gcr, did you already blocked the module, recreated the initramfs and restarted the computer?
15:40<gcr>celia, no, i'll restart pc now
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15:40<celia>gcr, great, let me know if it works
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15:41<genpashiro>hello all
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15:42<Khank>hi guys, seems like my Jessie isn't connecting to the wifi at boot (that is, before mounting root). It says IP config no response after 3 seconds. Giving up
15:43<gcr>celia, didn't help..
15:43<genpashiro>for me, I have to do #modprobe -r brcmsmac and #modprobe brcmsmac to reboot
15:43<celia>gcr, is this speaker the default output?
15:44<genpashiro>Do I have to compile in the kernel?
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15:44<gcr>celia, it's speaker on motherboard
15:45<celia>gcr, do any other sound (other than the beeps) come out from that speaker?
15:46<celia>genpashiro: Are you trying to block that module from automatically loading?
15:47<celia>Khank, what are you trying to achieve?
15:48<gcr>celia, i tuned it off. thanks for help
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15:48<celia>gcr, welcome
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16:19<Khank>celia, sorry, I got things distracting me. I'm trying to unencrypt my root from remote
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16:23<MalcomYork>Khank, Where is your root partition located? is it in a local disk?
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16:24<MalcomYork>Khank, I recommend you paste this question in #debian
16:24<MalcomYork>Khank, you will find more people there
16:24<canaima__>hola bebyss M&SSS Rinkinkit0s supuestamente bellos jajajaja
16:24<devil>canaima__: go play elsewhere
16:25<Khank>MalcomYork: my root is on the same computer as boot, in local yes
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16:25<Khank>ah, I thought this was the most used channel... I'll go there later to ask it, thanks
16:26<canaima__>I'm not playing
16:26<MalcomYork>Khank, alright, great, could you explain a little bit what you are trying to achieve?
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16:27<canaima__>#canaima vayan a este canal Be&Byss
16:27<canaima__>este canal es solo para aburridos como devil
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16:28<Khank>Yes, I have everything encrypted except for /boot, being that a server I'd like to be able to unencrypt it in case it goes down and up again. I folowed the instructions to use dropbear and busybox for an ssh during boot, but the computer does not connect to the wifi
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16:31<SamB_laptop>Khank: hmm, what are you trying to do here?
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16:31<SamB_laptop>start an sshd in intramfs so you can authorize the system to finish booting?
16:31<SamB_laptop>er, initramfs
16:31<Khank>SamB_laptop: Yep, so I can unencrypt root
16:32<SamB_laptop>did the sshd actually make it into the initramfs?
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16:33<Khank>Think so, the files are in the correct folders, but failing to connect to the wifi I can't really say
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16:34<SamB_laptop>so did it drop you into a shell on the console?
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16:36<Khank>can't access remotely of course, but from local it says IP config no response after 3 seconds. Giving up
16:36<Khank>after that the normal password prompt
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16:38<SamB_laptop>what happens if you give it the wrong password?
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16:39<Khank>well, it does not decrypt root
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16:53<DrZaius>so no package owns java executable?
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16:54<DrZaius>how did i get it into my system? :S
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16:56<valdyn>DrZaius: theres at least one more way: update-alternatives
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16:57<DrZaius>oh... right
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16:57<idwer>is it expected that systemd-journal in an lxc environment will generate high load?
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16:57<valdyn>idwer: only if it has to handle a huge amount of events
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16:58<valdyn>idwer: logging network traffic would probably be one thing where logging it causes more in the logging system than anywhere else
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16:59<jthomas>I updated to Deb8 and now I get a message in Vim that I'm using a weak encryption method, but I have 'set cm=blowfish2' set in my ~/.vim/vimrc What to do?
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16:59<valdyn>jthomas: thats weak
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16:59<dpkg>methinks blowfish is now
17:00<valdyn>jthomas: its removed from ssh because its weak at least
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17:00<jthomas>ok, so what to set? that's what the :help cm suggests :-/
17:01<valdyn>jthomas: why do you even care
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17:01<jthomas>about weak security? really?
17:01<valdyn>jthomas: what are you trying to protect from? the nsa?
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17:02<valdyn>jthomas: weak means something like "probably crackable with a 1billion $ to spend and a few years
17:03<jthomas>this month it means that
17:03<valdyn>jthomas: that howto is from 2001
17:03<jthomas>yes, that's when the doc was *created*
17:03<valdyn>jthomas: but now blowfish is considered weak
17:03<idwer>valdyn: this is debian 8
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17:04<imMute>if I'm making a package that wants to edit the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX variable in /etc/default/grub config file, whats the best way to do that?
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17:05<valdyn>jthomas: vim inline help sais the same. I guess you might use something else to encrypt truely strongly
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17:05<jthomas>ok thanks much
17:06<valdyn>jthomas: :help encrypt
17:06<jthomas>same cryptmethods tho
17:07<idwer>it just looks very very busy, from dmesg: [Thu Apr 30 23:06:32 2015] work still pending
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17:13<SamB_laptop>imMute: well, that's ... not the sort of thing you're supposed to do, really
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17:15<imMute>SamB_laptop: true, I probably should mention that I want to modify it because I want to turn on hugepages, and I don't know of any other mechanism to do so.
17:16<SamB_laptop>yes, mentioning the actual goal is generally advisable
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17:18<valdyn>imMute: just echo 20 > /proc/sys/vm/nr_hugepages, and you want to create a package for that?
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17:18<imMute>valdyn: more like my software requires hugepages, which is being bundled up into a package.
17:19<valdyn>imMute: so document that fact, that the user can see it and ship a nice little script that changes the config when the user choses to
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17:20<SamB_laptop>so, um, a file in /etc/sys<mumble>.d ?
17:20<jthomas>no one likes to install a package, expectinging they'll use it. and it doesn't work until you read the docs. why not have the install trigger some setup that would include that option?
17:21<valdyn>imMute: (and also show what that script does, because the config file you want to modify is not guaranteed to exist)
17:21<jthomas>or a "dpkg-reconfigure ___" setup
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17:22<valdyn>well of course, but modifying *another* package is bound to be fragile
17:23<imMute>valdyn: this is for an embedded device, not general distribution. our users are idiots^D^D^D^Dspecial, even *you* wouldn't want to give them a shell
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17:24<imMute>SamB_laptop: the debian wiki says sysctl can be used for that, which I just tested and it works. for some reason I was thinking that anything after the kernel boots is too late to setup huge pages.
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17:24<valdyn>imMute: i take that as were not really talking about a debian system then
17:24<valdyn>imMute: which may make many things ok, that wouldnt be ok in debian
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17:25<valdyn>imMute: sysctl or echo may still be better...
17:26<SamB_laptop>still, dropping a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ seems like a better idea than trying to munge /etc/default/grub
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17:26<imMute>it's a real debian system (well, debian+other stuff), but yeah, we can do stuff that the Policy would forbid.
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17:27<EmleyMoor>I really didn't realise some of the packages that were on my PBX
17:28<SamB_laptop>I mean, sure, it sounds like our openssh maintainer has been munging the sshd config file for years with hardly anyone the wiser, but that's to deal with renamed options ...
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18:27<diego>my debian won't boot up. it cannot mount my LSV2 partitions but i don't know why
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18:28<diego>i just didi dist -upgrade
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18:30<devil> LSV2?
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18:31<devil>systemd is stricter about fstab entries than before
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18:52<styx-tdo_>devil: stricter is nicely put.
18:52<devil>and correct
18:52<styx-tdo_>diego: try nofail in fstab, if it is not your / partition
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18:53<styx-tdo_>diego: otherwise, i had something similar. the kernel-upgrades forced a initrd update; that one did not have the lvm drivers in it
18:53<styx-tdo_>diego: full disclosure: i run sid, though
18:54<diego>where in fstab should go that "nofail"?
18:54<styx-tdo_>diego: with the options like default etc
18:54<styx-tdo_>4th field
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18:55<diego>I see "defaults" at 4th field
18:56<styx-tdo_>otherwise, i recommend removing "quiet" from the kernel options when booting via grub; it spams your screen, but it shows e.g. if LVM is started properly
18:56<styx-tdo_>and stuff like that
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19:01<styx-tdo_>devil: blocking the system boot only because of an fstab entry is questionable, thoug, i think ;)
19:01<devil>it is consequent, but yes, some might agree with you
19:02<styx-tdo_>devil: i had the joy of an unbootable system.. and the emergency console by default is limited.. initrd could get better defaults for that..
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19:04<devil>styx-tdo_: so did I, ~ 18 months ago, needed to chroot in
19:04<styx-tdo_>but i am difficult now. ;). had the issue w/ fscking my disks, booting, / was mounted ro.. so, it mounts ro without issue, but if fsck fails, the emergency console doesn't have fsck... ;)
19:05<styx-tdo_>about the same here.. as mentioned - i run sid
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19:06<styx-tdo_>diego: did it work?
19:07<devil>styx-tdo_: is there something else to run ;)
19:07<styx-tdo_>devil: thehe ;)
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19:08<styx-tdo_>but i am proud. i got steam and diablo3 running ;)
19:08*phillipsjk manually mounts his "optional" partition. (user,noauto flags (don't think it gets scanned regularly))
19:09<phillipsjk>also added exec presumably to run binaries.
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19:09<styx-tdo_>that's perfect for crypto disks.. but i don't want to mount /home on every boot manually ;)
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19:10<styx-tdo_>phillipsjk: you _added_ exec? AFAIR exec is default, noexec needs to be specified
19:10<phillipsjk>I have my /home in /
19:11<phillipsjk>styx-tdo_, It works, not sure it was strictly necessary :)
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19:11<styx-tdo_>thehe ;) that's the spirit ;)
19:12<diego>styx-tdo_: where do i change the quiet thing?
19:12<styx-tdo_>diego: when booting, grub shows a menu
19:12<styx-tdo_>you can change the boot line on the fly
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19:12<styx-tdo_>select the entry, press "e"
19:12<styx-tdo_>then, you get an "editor"
19:13<devil>you need to hit e when grub shows
19:13<styx-tdo_>go to the line starting with "linux"
19:13<styx-tdo_>somewhere in there is most likely the word "quiet"
19:14<styx-tdo_>then there should be a shortcut to boot somewhere on the bottom of the screen
19:14<styx-tdo_>i think it was ctrl-x
19:14<styx-tdo_>tha - my memory still works, mostly ;)
19:16<styx-tdo_>diego: if your lvm does not auto-start (you should see messages there), then most likely your initrd doesn't have the required modules
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19:19<diego>it says "a start job is running for dev-Rubidio-usr.....
19:20<diego>there where plenty of yellow and red warnings
19:20<styx-tdo_>is there anything mentioning lvm?
19:20<styx-tdo_>and what are the warnings?
19:20<styx-tdo_>when i had warnings, the FS was broken and i had to fsck it, because it was mounted read-only after errors
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19:21<diego>I got a console!!
19:21<styx-tdo_>a real one or the emergency one?
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19:22<diego>it says no directory logging in with home=/
19:22<styx-tdo_>er ok. that is _good_
19:22<styx-tdo_>i assume your home is on an extra partition?
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19:23<styx-tdo_>if yes: become root. type "mount /home"
19:23<styx-tdo_>and then try logging in again
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19:25<diego>aaaargh... sudo wont work (obvioulsy) and i cannot remember my root password
19:25<styx-tdo_>that is... unfortunate
19:25<styx-tdo_>you have a debian disk with you?
19:25<styx-tdo_>something you can boot off?
19:26<diego>I guess I can create a bootable usb
19:26<styx-tdo_>ok. when you have booted into a live system, contact me
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19:26<styx-tdo_>via query
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19:28<styx-tdo_>as long as the girl is playin counterstrike, i'll be on - so at least another 30 minutes
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19:28<diego>good new i remebered root passwd
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19:49<styx-tdo_>phillipsjk: just re-read. user mounts require exec, as it defaults to noexec blabla
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19:50<ZIPY>hi, i followed the instructions here after a fresh install of jessie with my ati hd 7870:
19:50<ZIPY>i get a blackscreen before and also after the fglrx installation
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19:54<blast007>ZIPY: are you using Gnome?
19:54<ZIPY>yes, it was working with wheezy
19:55<ZIPY>oh ok, how do i get the free driver?
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19:55<ZIPY>it says it is default, but i get a black screen only if i dont install any drivers too
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19:56<blast007>you were probably just missing the firmware
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19:56<ZIPY>okay i will try thank you
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19:57<blast007>or it could be a different issue as well - I haven't used a GUI on an actual system, much less with an ATI card :)
19:58<ZIPY>is xfce the lightest of the DE's that come with jessie?
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19:59<ZIPY>blast007: its working now thx =)
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20:35<phillipsjk>styx-tdo_, thanks for following up.
20:35<styx-tdo_>phillipsjk: just stumbling over it ;) no problem
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20:47<jon2>Hi, I was wondering if someone could tell me the most up to date info about dual booting debian jessie on a 2013 macbook air. I have been reading up on it and most sources say you need to use rEFInd, but this seems like it might be outdated information about debian wheezy. I am seeing that debian jessie can just install without any additional software and be bootable from the standard apple bootloader. is this correct? if so, during the ins
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20:49<somiaj>jon2: I would say use efi (jessie supports this) and let the bios (uefi) of the macbook do the dual booting.
20:49<somiaj>jon2: you can still use grub to boot both, but as long as the efi partition is big enough you can pick which you boot from the efi boot menu.
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20:52<jon2>what do you mean by efi partition?
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20:53<jon2>also I'm confused about how exactly grub plays into this
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20:57<jon2>pls respond
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20:58<somiaj>jon2: efi boot uses an efi partition (fat 16 or 32 usually) that contsin the boot info. This way the bios can read the boot info directaly from the efi partition and not need a boot loader.
20:59<jon2>is this efi partition already in place?
20:59<somiaj>jon2: grub-efi will copy the correct info to the efi partition and then modify the bios so it knows that grub is there and can be booted. So you can either choose to use the grub info or the osX info in the efi partition to boot. This choice is made by the bios.
20:59<somiaj>jon2: I belive mac books use this method by default now, since I dn't use apple products I cannot say from experience.
21:00<somiaj>but yes I belive it should be there, and hopefully big enough to let grub live in it too.
21:00<jon2>so when I go to install should I choose to install grub or LILO or neither?
21:00<jon2>I should select grub?
21:01<somiaj>choose grub (it probabaly won't even give you lilo as a choice as I dont' think lilo can do efi boot)
21:01<somiaj>but you have to make sure you boot the installer into efi mode.
21:01<jon2>what does that mean? sorry
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21:01<jon2>I will boot the installer from the usb drive
21:03<somiaj>the debian iso can be booted in legacy (mbr) or efi mode
21:03<somiaj>how it is booted is dependent on how you tell your bios to boot it.
21:04<somiaj>sounds like you should take some of my key words and look them up on google. I would also look at details for macbooks, I only use efi boot on other products (not apple) so I'm unsure if there is anything special you need to do
21:04<somiaj>but I do know the debian wiki has lots of info about installing on macbooks
21:04<jon2>yeah I've been trying to do my research but it seems scattered and like I said out of date in terms of whether EFInd is needed
21:05<jon2>I'm going to restart and give the install another shot
21:05<jon2>thanks for the info
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21:05<dtcrshr>Im doing a debian 8 fresh install, but on the steps after detecting the eth hardware, it searchs for dhcp and jumps to asking dns, domains and stuff. but later on there the step to search for network repos, but the network wasnt setup.. how do I setup the network before installation? or on the eth step to put up a ip by hand (I dont have dhcp on this environment)
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21:13<somiaj>dtcrshr: I thought it asked for manual ip if wanted, but maybe you need expert mode. What I would do is skip the internet mirrors section and install the base system.
21:13<devrikx>dtcrshr: it _should_ first ask if you want to allow auto-cofniguration; and if you say no; you should get the options you're looking for
21:13<devrikx>lol, somiaj: sorry didn't mean to clash with your response
21:13<dtcrshr>yeah.. thats odd because it dont ask
21:14<devrikx>I'd go with expert mode as somiaj suggests
21:14<dtcrshr>on the boot screen I have graphical install and install, I dont want graphics on this box
21:14<somiaj>dtcrshr: (you shouldn't need the internet for that). After you install the base system you can then configure your network, and rerun tasksel to install the packages you want from the net.
21:14<dtcrshr>hm thats what I was just typing
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21:14<dtcrshr>I want to setup the regular repos after, its just tasksel?
21:14<devrikx>graphical install is just for installation, it doesnt mean you'll have a GUI desktop afterwards
21:14<somiaj>It should ask for manual config otion and you can go back and reconfigure the network in the installer if you need to. If it doesn't might be because you didn't use expert mode, I'm unsure here.
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21:15<dtcrshr>I mean, to open up this options to auto select nearest repos
21:15<devrikx>when tasksel is run, you deselect Desktop Environment to have a headless system
21:15<somiaj>dtcrshr: just use as your mirror
21:15<somiaj>!jessie sources.list
21:15<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb jessie main" "deb jessie/updates main" "deb jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
21:15<dtcrshr>ill just reboot the installation, its a vm server anyway
21:15<somiaj>dtcrshr: just put those mirrors in sources.list, will find the closest mirror to you.
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21:15<dtcrshr>hm thanks
21:15<somiaj>dtcrshr: no need, you are almost done, just finish it up and then boot up and configure your network.
21:15<dtcrshr>oh ok
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21:17<devrikx>just fyi, I'm going afk - so you don't think I'm ignoring you; seems you have a good direction now :)
21:17<dtcrshr>no problem guys
21:17<dtcrshr>actually im way past time to leave work
21:17<dtcrshr>thanks anyway guys, much love
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22:04<r4ph431>hi, can anyone explain the reason of this dependency: lsb-core <- bsd{main}utils ?
22:05<somiaj>,why lsb-core bsdmainutils
22:05<judd>Packages lsb-core and bsdmainutils in jessie/amd64 are linked by 2 chains: lsb-core ▶ bsdmainutils; lsb-core ▶ man-db ▶ bsdmainutils
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22:09<r4ph431>(adding that bsdmainutils depends on bsdutils)
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22:11<somiaj>r4ph431: you want the justification over the actual chain?
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22:12<somiaj>r4ph431: You'll have to look at more of the details, but linux standard base probabaly assumes the existance of certain utilities which are provided in the bsd utils packages.
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22:13<r4ph431>no exactly, I found very strange that the lsb-core packages wouldn't do an effort to be a bit more like... hum... "self-contained"
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22:15<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I want to upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie, but my main worry is .. I am using Luks from wheezy and from my research "Plymouth needed for boot-prompts under systemd boots" ...
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22:15<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I have tried to instally plymouth under wheezy to test to see if it works
22:15<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I have had issues, since I have nvidia
22:15<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I would bring up login after splash screen
22:16<ElDiabloWar3Evo>but not the graphcial
22:16<somiaj>r4ph431: there are standard utils, why duplicate them. Again lsb packages in debian try to mimic the lsb enviorment, but within the debian system and they do so buy including the correct tools. Beyond that, start looking at the source, change logs, bugs, and various other info.
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22:16<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: you could disable the display manager while you get the upgrade working
22:16<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I tried to upgrade nvidia to 340 via backports and that did not help
22:16<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: the sysvinit transitional package also provides a sysvinit binary to use if for some reason you can't boot with systemd
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22:17<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I believe i'm already on systemd .. is there a way to test?
22:17<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: i.e. I would put the 'getting the upgrade working with LUKS and systemd' as a different problem than 'xorg working with nvidia'. disability the display manager is a good way to sepeate the two issues.
22:17<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm currently the "latest" version of wheezy atm
22:17<oldlaptop>run pstree
22:17<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: you wno't be on systemd on wheezy unless you explicity installed it
22:17<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: but yes look at ps fax and you'll see wha tinit system is running
22:19<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm mainly worried about if i upgrade to jessie, would the password prompt work without plymouth.. as in this:" says differently :/
22:19<ElDiabloWar3Evo>im not sure if the backports version of nvidia was proof i can't use version 340 of nvidia?
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22:22<ElDiabloWar3Evo>urm... It is a worry that the password prompt would not be working when upgrading to jessie.. im trying to test and see before upgrading. Glad I found out plymouth won't work before i upgraded :/ Just trying to find another alternative?
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22:23<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: as I suggested I would seperate the two issues. Unforntally I don't use luks so can't say much about my experience with it.
22:23<ElDiabloWar3Evo>plymouth did work (but it was preventing xserver from loading nvidia drivers) .. something to do with version 304 .. i wonder if it is possible to downgrade nvidia drivers (cause upgrading doesn't work for 340)
22:23<ElDiabloWar3Evo>i guess Luks isn't the issue.. The issue would be trying to get plymouth to work with xserver
22:24<ElDiabloWar3Evo>After booting using plymouth .. get to a text mode login screen, and try to startx .. and it says "no screen" errors.
22:27<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: As I said, if your plan is to upgrade jessie, i would debug your nvidia issues with that.
22:27<somiaj>sounds like some config issue with the nvidia driver.
22:27<somiaj>but I would upgrade and debug after. But that is just me
22:28<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I don't think i would be able to "debug" them if I'm unable to put in a luks password at the prompt
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22:35<ZIPY>does someone know how to show date and seconds in the gnome clock?
22:35<r4ph431>thx somiaj. Anyway I found that
22:36<somiaj>ZIPY: right click it? Just guessing.
22:36<ZIPY>no option there
22:37<somiaj>ZIPY: might also be a system setting under time/date
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22:38<ZIPY>its not that easy, i remember in wheezy, i changed sth in dconf.. but i cant find the entry there anymore
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22:40<somiaj>ZIPY: I think there is a gnome-tweak-tool or something like that too.
22:40<somiaj>ZIPY: that may work
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22:41<ZIPY>ye that worked on the old gnome
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22:43<ZIPY>finally nautilus search option is working =)
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23:18<Pancakez>hello, I am trying to setup X on a debian(jessie) machine. However startx gives me something like "no screens found" and more importantly Xorg -configure gives me a segmentation fault at "address 0x0"
23:18<Pancakez>the machine has an amd r9 270. I tried using the ati driver first, and it didn't work, so I uninstalled it and switched to the radeon driver, and I'm getting the exact same error :/
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23:51<blast007>Pancakez: Gnome on Jessie doesn't work with fglrx. for the open driver, did you install firmware as per ?
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23:54<Pancakez>not initially, however, since I found that and followed it, X crashes the machine the moment it starts. Can't even switch tty's, lol
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