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00:09<Pancakez>and Xorg -configure still segmentation faults "address 0x0" last thing before that is something about
00:11<somiaj>You shouldn't need any configure file for the radeon driver
00:11<somiaj>but if you installed the fglrx package, the radeon module could still be blacklisted, check /etc/modprobe.d
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00:36<Pancakez>somiaj: thanks, I was trying to see what I could do with the proprietary drivers (i'm not using gnome at all), but I can't get it to do anything but freeze. I'll start trying to get the open source driver working now :)
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00:38<Pancakez>actually, I'm seeing a ton of "No input driver specified, ignoring this device." in the log for X, maybe somehow I missed installing/setting up my ultra-generic keyboard?
00:39<Pancakez>and X doesn't seem to freeze my computer until I start using the keyboard :/
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00:40<sunbird>okay, annoying problem. i cannot logout of gnome on jessie. only way is to restart gdm or reboot. tried gnome-session-quit to no avail. ideas?
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01:16<Pancakez>well, it took forever to figure out how to actually uninstall fglrx, than I just gave up removing any reference I could think of that X could have to it, but now this machine seems to work using the open source drivers :) thanks for the tips somiaj and blast007
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01:24<abdelkhalak>after I installed debian using netinstall, i got a kernel panic after first reboot
01:25<abdelkhalak>i used this cd image:firmware-8.0.0-i386-netinst
01:26<abdelkhalak>I never experienced such an error before, i had been using testing, but then i wanted a clean install
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01:36<thanigai>hello there, today i installed debian 8 , i have an issue on deluge remote connection. please assist me .
01:37<Ouroboros>damn, its up to 8 now?
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01:43<Ouroboros>stupid question: is there anything i can change in the bios to change sda to sdb?
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01:47<sunbird>for anyone who cares, creating a symbolic link from /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-gpg.desktop to /dev/null disables gnome-keyring-gpg.
01:47<ryouma>Ouroboros: i did not find anything in my bios. you can change boot sequence.
01:48<ryouma>Ouroboros: but you'd think linux might have a place for setting that
01:48<Ouroboros>screw it, i will just insert another drive and hopefully it will become sda
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01:49<Ouroboros>ryouma: the problem is debian is set to boot from sdb now, which doesnt exist
01:50<ryouma>debian is? or bios is? or grub is?
01:50<Ouroboros>all of it
01:51<Ouroboros>its kinda a complex file system setup, and honestly i dont remember how it all works :)
01:51<ryouma>i am ignorant, but aiui initrd might hardcode encrypted root; grub lets you choose; bios has boot order
01:51<Ouroboros>but i need to boot into it as is before i can change it to sda
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01:55<Pancakez>Ouroboros: why are you trying to manage drive's by sd*, I thought everything had been run by uefi(as annoying as it is) for ages.
01:56<Ouroboros>eh, this install is way older than uefi
01:56<Ouroboros>i think its debian 4 :P
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01:59<Pancakez>ah :) and to the best of my knowledge, inserting another random drive may be the best solution short of just poining whatever is looking for the drive to the proper one
02:00<Ouroboros>yeah, i can change grub, then try to boot and fail, then edit fstab, but thats kinda messy
02:00<Ouroboros>there are a bunch of unionfs overlay things going on
02:02<SamB_laptop>Pancakez: what does EFI have to do with it?
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02:03<Pancakez>that sounds really ugly :( honestly, the first version of debian I ever used was lenny (and only for a bit). why are you(they) still using that?
02:03<SamB_laptop>I thought it was libata that precipitated label/UUID-based references
02:03<Ouroboros>Pancakez: because too lazy to upgrade
02:03<Pancakez>uefi changed the identification of most drives from /dev/sd* to a basically random string of numbers
02:03<Ouroboros>Pancakez: its a special usb stick i use for high security activities :)
02:03<SamB_laptop>that *would* be about 4 upgrades now
02:03<SamB_laptop>Pancakez: um, what?
02:04<Ouroboros>Pancakez: do you really mean uefi or udev?
02:04<SamB_laptop>that's nothing to do with EFI really
02:04<Pancakez>I might mean udev, lol
02:04<SamB_laptop>happened even on a PII box that I was using ...
02:05<Pancakez>but, while I have somebody who actually knows what their talking about, is there some sort of significant difference between uefi and efi?
02:06<Ouroboros>i dunno, i disabled uefi on my new machine :)
02:06<SamB_laptop>and it seemed to be motivated by the way libata's "everything is now scsi" approach to disks was going to change all the device names
02:08<SamB_laptop>which is totally worth it so we can stop trying to pretend optical drives aren't really SCSI under there somewhere ;-)
02:08<Ouroboros>you have an optical drive still? ;-)
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02:25<MozillaFirefox>Hello all! Just a tiny qwestion. I need to replace a few packages that came from cruncbang with the appropriate debian versions (running wheezy). I have removed the crunchbang repos from /etc/apt/sources.list and edited /etd/apt/preferences. For example, the *current* grub2-common version is (1.99-27.1crunchbang1) whereas the one on debian repos is (1.99-27+deb7u2). S
02:26<MozillaFirefox>I need to replace the cb one with the debian one, while not removing extra installed packaged that are not on debian repos.
02:26<MozillaFirefox>Can you help me a bit? Thanks!
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02:28<MozillaFirefox>(They are the same versions, thus they are not replaced. Should I readd the cb repos and pin stable higher than cb and then remove them again?)
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02:35<valdyn>MozillaFirefox: apt-get install packagename=version
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02:37<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: Thanks, however isn't it possible to replace all packages automatically? Do I need to replace them one by one?
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02:56<MozillaFirefox>I don't know if I was clear, sorry for my English. Here's an example apt-cache policy. ( There are lots of packages like that. I would like to replace the *-crunchbang1* versions with the debian ones. Thanks again.
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03:21<sleser>guys is there a google map of samarkand for debian ?
03:22<sleser>id like to see my birth country whitch havent all my l ife
03:22<sleser>any help russian tajik english is apreciated
03:22<sleser>need to see my home land
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03:26<MozillaFirefox>sleser: you need a google maps link ? (,+%CE%9F%CF%85%CE%B6%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%B5%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%AC%CE%BD/@39.6406883,66.9678871,26370m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x3f4d191960077df7:0x487636d9d13f2f57)
03:26<enikar>sleser: not on google map, but…
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03:28<sleser>i used windows 2 years ago i had google maps app i bascialy need the same thing that runs debian
03:28<sleser>without wine
03:28<MozillaFirefox>sleser: ahh, you mean google earth, right?
03:29<sleser>i just wana see my home land where i was born at i live in usa all my live and dont know wher emy parants had sex at to born me
03:29<MozillaFirefox>sleser: here you go:
03:29<sleser>basicaly that
03:29<devil>there is a paCKAGE THAT BUILDS THE .DEB
03:30<sleser>downloading from there is no 3rd party bolshit that interfears with debian ?
03:30<MozillaFirefox>you'll have no problem, don't worry
03:31<sleser>ok np thanks for help
03:31<sleser>got to see my old house i havent been there for 30 years
03:31<sleser>o hope they got fotos of houses of 30 years ago
03:32<sleser>got to see whre my prant have sex to born me
03:32<MozillaFirefox>devil you must mean this : (
03:32<sleser>yeh lets see this
03:32<devil>MozillaFirefox: yes
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03:33<MozillaFirefox>devil: Haven't used google earth for a long time, need to revisit it sometime.
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03:35<sleser>this is so fked up google earth dosnt wants to install . pakage google earth stable eeror canot install lsb-core
03:35<sleser>i think my debian is screwd up
03:35<sleser>this issue is fallowing me everywhere
03:36<sleser>im not sure what ive installed 3rd party to daming my system.
03:36<valdyn>MozillaFirefox: can you show me an example "apt-cache policy <packagename>" for a package you want to replace?
03:36<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: yes, pasted one previously :
03:37<sleser>is ther one who expert to install lsb-core ?
03:37<sleser>even if i cant
03:37<MozillaFirefox>sleser: maybe you need to "apt-get install lsb-core" manually?
03:38<sleser>that crap wont work it has some sort of dependency
03:38<sleser>took me a long time to build a working sstem not knowing linux now this lsb crap is fallowing me everyehere
03:38<sleser>id like to fix it
03:38<MozillaFirefox>sleser: create a pastebin / gist with the outputs, maybe someone here will be able to help you
03:38<sleser>i dont like remember installing a 3rd party app to daming
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03:40<sleser>well whom every is expert instaling lsb-core pakage even if not one in the face of earth cant because it shows some sort of dependenccy issuie
03:40<sleser>can respond to my problem
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03:41<MozillaFirefox>sleser: could you paste the problem here ( and give us the link?
03:43<sleser>what is the exact name for google earth
03:43<sleser>so i can paste u bin the outpute of terminal
03:43<sleser>because im using apper
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03:43<sleser>i mean im using the link
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03:44<MozillaFirefox>sleser: aren't you downloading the *.deb and then <sudo dpkg -i *.deb>? this output i mean.
03:44<sleser>i was trying to download of a link
03:44<sleser>from website
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03:44<sleser>thats why i was aking if it were a 3rd party
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03:45<sleser>does apper have what i need to view my born land ?
03:45<MozillaFirefox>sleser: Sorry, I can't understand what you mean...
03:46<MozillaFirefox>sleser: Why don't you use the google maps link? you can zoom in and stuff.
03:46<sleser>i have a automatic deb pakage installer
03:46<sleser>when i click the file i downloaded it shows that
03:46<sleser>i cant that lsb-core wont let
03:47<sleser>canot install lsbcore
03:47<sleser>this lsb core issue was fallowing me for days now
03:47<sleser>i cant do nothing without it
03:47<sleser>and i dont even know why
03:48<MozillaFirefox>sleser: open up a terminal, cd to the deb you donwloaded, then do <sudo dpkg -i <.deb file > and paste the output.>
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03:48<sleser>id like to figure this
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03:48<MozillaFirefox>sleser: see here (first link in google)
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03:50<sleser>its doing something
03:50<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: do you understand what is going on now? I could manually change one by one, but there are a lot of them
03:51<valdyn>MozillaFirefox: yes of course, understanding it was never an issue
03:51<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: ah okay, i thought my english was bad, thanks
03:51<MozillaFirefox>sleser: do <sudo apt-get install lsb-core>
03:52<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: sorry for pinging you exessively btw
03:53<sleser>does it look like i can fix this ?
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03:54<MozillaFirefox>sleser: yes, have you installed lsb-core now?
03:55<sleser>i dont know
03:55<MozillaFirefox>sleser: also, you mistyped the command, the "sudo dpkg -i" is twice
03:55<sleser>bot google eath wont install
03:55<MozillaFirefox>sleser: still, after <sudo apt-get install lsb-core>?
03:56<sleser>ok im lost
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03:57<sleser>will do this another time
03:57<sleser>good nite guys
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03:57<MozillaFirefox>sleser: good night
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04:00<valdyn>MozillaFirefox: a shell script that should produce a workable list:
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04:00<valdyn>MozillaFirefox: now if you are totally unfamiliar with shell scripting you should not use this
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04:03<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: haha 5 minutes ago, i thought, well i'm sure (s)he's cooking up a little script
04:03<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: thanks a whole lot, i just thought there would be an option in apt or something and it would be easy
04:04<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: that's why i asked. sorry if i wasted your time...
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04:05<valdyn>MozillaFirefox: now if that script (2nd paste, first has a cutoff) works for you, "sh script | xargs apt-get -y install"
04:06<valdyn>MozillaFirefox: np, was fun
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04:06<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: yes, exactly, i use something similar with xargs for wget'ting whole mit opencourseware courses.
04:08<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: thanks again! will do it later in the afternoon, if you are here, will tell you how it went
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04:08<MozillaFirefox>valdyn: yes, i need the crunchbang one, thanks
04:09<MozillaFirefox>anyways, see you guys, enjoy the rest of your day!
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04:57<PaulePanter>Hi. Any users in here?
04:57<PaulePanter>Since some weeks I experience the problem, that the mirrors are not up to date and the packages are downloaded from, for example, instead.
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05:09<SynrG>PaulePanter: "the mirrors"? you know it's a service to locate a mirror near you, so it's more likely *a* specific mirror
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05:09<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from An example line for your sources.list is "deb jessie main". See for more information. Unlike <>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which>.
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05:10<diego>I did dist-upgrade to jessie and it left my pc broken:e.g. lvm2 partitions fail to mount. why?
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05:14<PaulePanter>diego: You need to provide more information. The crystal balls are all sold out.
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05:15<PaulePanter>SynrG: Yes, that’s what I meant. I wonder why the mirrer, chosen by my system is outdated.
05:15<PaulePanter>SynrG: How do I access `<which>`?
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05:16<PaulePanter>SynrG: Thank you.
05:16<SynrGy>not sure if that will tell you exactly which of the alternatives was picked for any given failure though
05:16<PaulePanter> has address
05:16<PaulePanter> has address
05:16<PaulePanter> has address
05:16<SynrGy>observe the IP# chosen for a particular failure. apt tells you
05:17<SynrGy>i think that only tells you where the redir hosts are
05:17<PaulePanter>SynrG: Well, I have an “official” fallback, so I don’t see it.
05:17<PaulePanter>SynrG: Interesting.
05:17<SynrGy>a request to a redir host geolocates you and gives you an IP# for a server near you in a redirect response
05:18<SynrGy>so looking up's IP#s does you no good
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05:18<SynrGy>edit your sources.list to take out the fallback and do an actual apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. observe the IP# apt displays
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05:19<PaulePanter>SynrG: Ok, I’ll do that the next time I’ll do an upgrade.
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05:20<SynrGy>PaulePanter: then presumably it's a matter of doing a reverse lookup on the ip and locating an admin of the mirror to complain
05:21<SynrGy>debian itself does not admin the mirrors. you have to take your complaints to their own admins
05:21<diego>PaulePanter: my system seems to get stuck mounting several lvm partitions, I get /dev/mapper/Rubidio-root and /dev/mapper/Rubidio-swap_1 and the rest ar noe going well
05:23<SynrGy>knowing their names still doesn't help us ...
05:23<SynrGy>details. like, what's in your /etc/fstab? what errors do you see? etc.
05:23<SynrGy>what's the output of 'blkid'
05:23<SynrGy>that sort of thing
05:25<diego>PaulePanter: i managed to get into rescue console and with vgchange -a y got the rest up
05:26<diego>I see /etc/init.d has plenty of *.dpkg-new files
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05:39<checker>Hello every one!
05:40<valdyn>diego: you should edit your fstab and mark at least non-essential mountpoints "nofail"
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05:42<valdyn>diego: that means someone messed with those initscripts
05:42<valdyn>diego: maybe you should move each .dpkg-new script to replace the current one
05:43<SynrGy>or at least diff them to find out what was done and why
05:44<diego>valdyn: once upon a time....I had a trouble with LVM2... I'm setting nofail and doing diffs on the scripts
05:44<SynrGy>for example, if you're using 'exit 0' to disable services, don't do that :p
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05:45<diego>25 diffs to go!
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05:45<valdyn>this might just be a bad restore
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06:14<diego>rpcbind used to default start on S 2 3 4 5 now is just on S is it fine?
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06:15<diego>btw, fstab should have /dev/mapper/Rubidio-root or /dev/Rubidio/root?
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06:23<diego> has a wrong wiki link
06:24<diego>i try to understand if fstab should have my lvm2 partitions with mapper or without?
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06:41<rjsalts>diego: it should be /dev/mapper/vg-lv or /dev/vg/lv
06:41<rjsalts>diego: it doesn't matter which
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06:45<diego>my screenshows this on boot up: A start job is running for dev-Rubidio-home.device (1 min 10sec /1 min 30 sec)
06:45<diego>does that with 5 out of 7 lvm2 partitions
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07:26<martysia>hi, how do I change the settings so that right-click will not open the program but instead it will open the properties ?
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07:29<martysia>I use Debian Wheezy
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07:31<SynrGy>what are you right-clicking? the entry in the menu?
07:31<SynrGy>an icon in the panel?
07:32<SynrGy>i'm not sure what you expect 'the properties' to be for the thing you're clicking on because i don't know what you're clicking on
07:32<SynrGy>also, as you indicated on #debian-offtopic, you're using xfce and should've mentioned it here, too
07:32<martysia>I'm clicking on the browser...Iceweasel, in the start menu
07:33<SynrGy>ok. i don't think that does anything useful in xfce
07:33<SynrGy>state your end goal
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07:34<martysia>my end goal is to add an activator to the panel - an icon on the panel that would launch the browser
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07:34<martysia>and I wish to do the same with many other programmes that I use like e-deklaracje
07:34<SynrGy>martysia: i believe you can just click-and-drag
07:34<zlatan>martysia, isn't there an option to right click on panel and add iceweasel to it?
07:35<SynrGy>that's another way. but i think you can navigate into the menu, and left-click-and-drag it to your panel
07:35<SynrGy>can't remember because i don't have xfce in front of me
07:35<zlatan>same here
07:35<martysia>nopes, the drag and drop isn't working
07:35<SynrGy>then the other way
07:36<SynrGy>right-click on the panel to edit the launchers on the panel
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07:36<zlatan>and right clicking in the menu sounds something like mint menu (maybe whisker menu can do that but again I don't have xfce)
07:36<SynrGy>ahh. possibly. cinnamon feature
07:36<SynrGy>you know, cinnamon is in debian jessie
07:36<SynrGy>martysia: if you like and prefer cinnamon, you could upgrade wheezy->jessie and install cinnamon
07:36<musca>SynrGy: yes, drag and rop will suffice, i just checked.
07:37<Guest3847>ciao, problemi con KNOPPIX
07:37<zlatan>I think their mate edition mimics the old mintmenu
07:37<martysia>I only have so called "add applet"
07:37<SynrGy>musca: good. so i wonder why it didn't work for martysia
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07:37<SynrGy>wheezy vs jessie difference?
07:37<musca>SynrGy: perhaps my xfce is too new
07:37<SynrGy>martysia: yeah. xfce has a special applet for that. umm, an "application launcher" or so
07:37<SynrGy>and you have to configure that
07:38<SynrGy>i.e. you can't just drag-and-drop the menu entry anywhere. it must be onto an existing application launcher applet
07:38<zlatan>Guest3847, this is not a knoppix support channel but debian one
07:39<Guest3847>ok zlatan, hvala thanks
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07:39<musca>Guest3847: take a debian Live-Image and you will be welcome!
07:40<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
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07:40<martysia>I wonder how it was translated into Polish - cannot find any 'application launcher'
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07:41<Guest3847>int' know how get debian live-image, help me please
07:41<SynrGy>martysia: as i said, i haven't got xfce in front of me. i know *what* it is. just not how it's named :p
07:42<musca>martysia: did you try drag and drop with the left mouse button?
07:42<SynrGy>also, i may have how xfce does it confused with how lxde does it :p
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07:42<Guest3847>ok musca tnx
07:42<zlatan>Guest3847, are you spanish or italian, there are debian channels in that languages if that is easier for you
07:43<martysia>musca yes, I've tried drag and drop with left mouse button
07:43<Guest3847>zlatan i am a SLOVENE
07:44<SynrGy>,v xfce4
07:44<judd>Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy:; stretch: 4.10.1; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1; experimental: 4.12
07:44<martysia>wait, it workes! it worked just now
07:45<SynrGy>this page says "You can now drag and drop menu entries from the panel applications menu, application finder or Thunar to the panel to create launchers"
07:45<SynrGy>must've been inaccurate in your drag-and-drop
07:45<martysia>the drag and drop
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07:45<dpkg>well, si is Slovenia. For Slovene speakers / Kanal za slovenske uporabnike -> on
07:46<martysia>thank you
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07:46<Guest3847>musca: lepo se zahvaljujem
07:46<musca>the channel is empty
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08:04<GoGi>what is the jessie-updates repository?
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08:07<@babilen>dpkg: tell GoGi -about jessie-updates
08:08<martysia>no response
08:09<zlatan>martysia, ?
08:09<martysia>or maybe there was but I couldn't see it
08:09<zlatan>martysia, for what?
08:09<martysia>for jessie updates
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08:09<zlatan>martysia, it's sent to GoGi in separate window
08:10<GoGi>thank you
08:10<zlatan>dpkg, jessie-updates
08:10<dpkg>jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates.
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08:12<martysia>dpkg, how to upgrade from Debian Wheezy 7.8 to Jessie?
08:12<dpkg>martysia: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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08:13<EmleyMoor>dpkg: tell martysia about wheezy->jessie
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08:15<caz>Hi, I'(v a question about the install menu of jessie. Today I want to install debian jessie directly with XFCE, but i d'ont find the option: "alternive environement" wich was present before. it is normal? how can be solve this? please
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08:17<EmleyMoor>musca: You ba*d!
08:19<Nemoder>caz: you could choose a minimal install and then add xfce later with aptitude, or perhaps try the xfce image install disc
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08:19<zlatan>caz, did you try going via expert install on net install - I think there are options in d-i which DE you want
08:20<zlatan>Nemoder, no need for that, I think there is a menu presented in D-I with options to choose which DE
08:20<Nemoder>ah good
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08:20<blast007>even the normal install mode on the netinst asks you which DE to install
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08:21<zlatan>caz, okay there you go... blast007 demystified all
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08:21<caz>zlatan, i try with debian-8.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso bedfore this option was present in "advanced options"
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08:22<zlatan>caz, I must admit I am not experienced with debian cd's (I only used netinstall and even that didn't used since a bought laptop and installed wheezy on it)
08:23<zlatan>caz, maybe it's a cd with gnome on should really just use netinstall and put it on usb
08:24<caz>zlatan, i'd try with net install and it was same, didn't present in menu "advanced option"
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08:24<zlatan>caz, no, it shows during installation when it comes to that part after installing the base system :)
08:25<caz>a ok this is a change so^ thanks I start the installation and a will see
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08:26<zlatan>caz, yep, after you set up partitions and it installs base system it should present that menu...good luck
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08:27<blast007>caz: I've not tried with CD1, so your results may vary there. With the netinst, it runs tasksel near the end of the process which lets you choose if you want a DE, SSH server, print server, etc.
08:27<zlatan>AndroUser, u r paultag user? :O
08:27<caz>ok thanks
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08:31<Gcr>Has smbd troubles with Chrome on Jessie x64?
08:31<zlatan>Gcr, are you asking us did we have problem or are you saying that you have a problem?
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08:32<ElDiabloWar3Evo>what would be the benefit of the jessie systemd-sysv over the wheezy current init? Cause "Plymouth needed for boot-prompts under systemd boots" .. if i choose systemd and have issues, how do i switch back to wheezy's system init after upgrade?
08:33<Gcr>I have problem - it's doesn't run. I launch it and it's doesn't work normal..
08:33<zlatan>Gcr, google chrome or chromium
08:33<caz>why use chrome ? iceweasel is better on lot of points :p
08:33<blast007>Gcr: Chrome, or Chromium?
08:34<Gcr>I use iceweasel, but I need Google Chrome for my sister
08:34<blast007>heh, guess zlatan asked the same questin, sorry
08:34<EmleyMoor>caz: In my case, it syncs well with my phone.
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08:34<zlatan>Gcr, we don't have Google Chrome in official repos :/
08:35<Gcr>Zlatan, I download it from the official site
08:35<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, which init do you have in wheezy? and I don't see why systemd in Jessie would work
08:36<zlatan>Gcr, I would love to help you but I don't use Google Chrome
08:36<zlatan>Gcr, any reason why picked it over Chromium?
08:36<zlatan>s/would/wouldn't ElDiabloWar3Evo
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08:38<Gcr>Zlatan, sorry, what?
08:38<zlatan>Gcr, why do you installed google chrome instead of chromium
08:38*zlatan needs tea
08:39<Gcr>Zlatan, oh i'll try to install chromium
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08:53<Gcr>Zlatan, Chromium from repository also doesn't work
08:54<EmleyMoor>Gcr: How doesn't it work?
08:54<Gcr>It freeze after launching
08:54<zlatan>Gcr, but we can try working on it ^_^
08:54<zlatan>Gcr, chromium freezes after you launch it?
08:55<Gcr>Zlatan, yes
08:55<zlatan>Gcr, do you use wheezy or jessie?
08:55<Gcr>Zlatan, Jessie
08:55<zlatan>,v chromium
08:55<judd>Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze:; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 41.0.2272.118-1; stretch: 42.0.2311.90-1; sid: 42.0.2311.135-1
08:56<caz>en effet ils sont bien présent dans le choix des logiciel a installer, c'est vraiment mieu je confirme^^
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08:56<Gcr>Zlatan, same problems was at another PC with Xubuntu x64
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08:56<caz>sorry wrong channel
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08:56<GoGi>why is there jessie/updates for security updates, I mean why are those updates not put directly into jessie?
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08:58<themill>GoGi: partly to highlight that they are recent changes and partly to allow mirrors to be unchanging for mirror admins
08:58<zlatan>Gcr, is debian 64bit installation?
08:58<GoGi>I see
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08:59<Gcr>Zlatan, yes. Jessie x64 with 3.16.0
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09:00<zlatan>Gcr, can you try starting it from command line and paste what it shows
09:00<Gcr>Zlatan, Chromium 42.0.2311.90 Built on 8.0, running on Debian 8.0
09:00<zlatan>paste as using
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09:01<zlatan>Gcr, hm that is not a chromium from jessie as far as it showed above
09:01<gcr_>zlatan, [11148:11148:0501/] Invalid url pattern: chrome://print/*
09:01<gcr_>zlatan, and it freezed..
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09:03<blast007>I think that version is part of jessie-security. Note the version listed at the bottom of
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09:05<zlatan>gcr_, I see it's upstream bug
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09:07<zlatan>gcr_, yep...I use higher version of it but also the previous version didn't affect me
09:07<zlatan>gcr_, it's also an upstream bug
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09:10<zlatan>gcr_, for what reasons does your sister need chrome/chromium?
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09:19<gcr_>zlatan, yes, she need bookmarks..well i'll think smth about this...thanks for help
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09:21<zlatan>gcr_, import bookmarks to iceweasel (but yes, that's maybe a bit complicated without chromium starting)
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09:22<gcr_>zlatan, i use iceweasel))
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09:22<zlatan>there are other browsers too
09:23<gcr_>yes, i know
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09:45<varogami>hello, I have a rootfs crypted with keyfile and I upgrade on debian jessie, I wrote this not work with systemd (due to script option). Is there a way to use keyfile to decrypt fs and systemd?
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10:11<EmleyMoor>Grrr... looks like Chrome has ditched my passwords!
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10:13<EmleyMoor>Hmm... my mobile still knows them
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10:36<ElDiabloWar3Evo>" Purging a package will generally also purge its log files," where do I find these log files so I can back them up?
10:37<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Or is there a auto method to backup log files before purging?
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10:45<varogami>ElDiabloWar3Evo: I think on /var/log or in ~/.nameOFapp
10:46<varogami>but on ~/.nameOFapp the files not will purged
10:47<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I've backed up all ~/. Directories.. So.. Backup everything in /var/log? I'm doing a wheezy to Jessie upgrade
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10:49<blast007>!things to backup
10:49<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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11:12<Maxow>I am trying to enable Hugepages on my server but the command "grep Huge /proc/meminfo" outputs nothing, is it normal ?
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11:16<centrx>Maxow, it outputs several lines on my machine
11:16<Guest3865>une personne peut m'aider?
11:16<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
11:16<Maxow>centrx as it should, I don't understand why it doesn't output anything for me
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11:18<closingin>Hi all, after upgrading from wheezy to jessie, i see in the manual that i have to remove obsolete packages
11:18<centrx>Maxow, What CPU architecture?
11:18<centrx>closingin, You do not have to, but it is generally a good idea
11:19<Maxow>centrx, nothing too fancy, an Intel Xeon E3 1245v2
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11:19<centrx>Maxow, "(read Documentation/vm/hugetlbpage.txt for more information about it)"
11:19<closingin>centrx, my system is encrypted using cryptsetup, but aptitude purge '~o' tells me that it will let cryptsetup unresolved, cause of 'console-setup' being uninstalled
11:20<closingin>Is it going to break my system ?
11:20<centrx>it does sound risky yes
11:20<closingin>aptitude shows up 83 obsolete packages..
11:21<centrx>closingin, well aptitude purge '~o' is asking aptitude to remove every package that has an 'o' in its name, right?
11:21<closingin>dunno, i found that on the web, thought it meant 'obsolete'
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11:22<closingin>here for example they use aptitude purge '~c'
11:22<dpkg>If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
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11:22<closingin>musca, so what should i do ?
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11:23<Maxow>centrx, I'll try to call my server provider to know if their kernel if compatible with Hugepages
11:23<musca>i meant centrx with my "no"
11:24<closingin>it's the first time i dist upgrade, so i'm a bit confused
11:24<musca>cryptsetup recommends console-setup
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11:25<closingin>yes ?
11:25<musca>,recommends cryptsetup
11:25<judd>Package cryptsetup in jessie/amd64 -- recommends: kbd, console-setup, initramfs-tools (>= 0.91) | linux-initramfs-tool, busybox | busybox-static.
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11:26<closingin>but i don't know what that means
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11:29<musca>closingin: please show us your result for "apt-cache policy cryptsetup" on
11:30<closingin>it's going to be difficult
11:30<closingin>i'm on a tty
11:30<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b" or configure pastebinit to use something other than To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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11:39<closingin>me ?
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11:41<nevyn>no I'm just sleepy and not paying attention
11:41<closingin>so musca, is there something interesting ? x)
11:43<musca>yes, the package is not obsolete - it's part of jessie
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11:44<closingin_><closingin> yeah i know cryptsetup isn't obsolete
11:44<closingin_><closingin> console-setup is marked as obsolete
11:44<closingin_><closingin> but cryptsetup recommends it
11:45<HiTree>Hi! is there a way around to hinder network-manager assigning ipv6 address to IPv4 only connections? (IPv6 method=ignore)
11:48<HiTree>Looks like it's because the manager calls dhcp without the -4 option
11:50<martingale>anyone know how to list all the contrib/nonfree packages I have installed?
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11:51<Maulkin>martingale: install vrms
11:52<musca>martingale: aptitude search '~S~i~snon-free'
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11:53<musca>oh yes, vrms specializes on that job
11:53<martingale>thanks Maulkin, musca, both commands work and show the same resultss
11:53<closingin_>musca, so do you have an idea on what i should od ?
11:54<martingale>musca, can you exclain the '~S~i~s'?
11:54<musca>martingale: advanced apti-kung-fu ...
11:54<SynrGy>see aptitude-doc
11:54<martingale>is there a man page that explains?
11:55<closingin_>man aptitude ?
11:55<martingale>~S doesn't appear in man aptitude
11:55<SynrGy>no. aptitude doesn't come with a man page that explains. but the user guide in aptitude-doc does
11:55<SynrGy>hence "advanced"
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11:56<musca>martingale: ~S~i narrows the search results for ~s to the installed packages
11:56<martingale>okay so i installed aptitude-doc
11:56<closingin_>help me x)
11:57<martingale>now how do i access it >_<
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11:57<musca>closingin_: okay, i'll dive into it
11:57<closingin_>musca, well when i purge, it provides me some "solutions"
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11:58<musca>martingale: dpkg -L aptitude-doc
11:58<musca>closingin_: what package do you try to purge?
11:58<closingin_>every obsolete ones
11:59<closingin_>as told here
11:59<musca>closingin_: is it a long list?
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11:59<closingin_>83 packages
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12:00<closingin_>but i don't understand aptitude, for example i uninstalled apache2, and when i launche aptitude, it tells me "suggest 7 keeps", i examine, and i see apache2
12:00<closingin_>i don't understand anything at all x)
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12:04<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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12:05<musca>closingin_: Getting rid of kbd-chooser, console-tools and console-data was one of the Debian-Installer release goals for Squeeze.
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12:06<musca>closingin_: console-setup is not obsolete
12:06<closingin_>aptitude thinks it is
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12:06<musca>so you should keep both cryptsetup and console-setup
12:06<closingin_>but how ?
12:06<closingin_>whenever i start purge, it asks me to decide something about it
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12:07<closingin_>i think i'm going to format my vm to reinstall everything
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12:09<musca>see above, blast007 suggests you can show more output. (I know it's difficult in the terminal)
12:09<closingin_>i'm gonna try something
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12:11<closingin_>this is the output of sudo aptitude purge '~o'
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12:13<musca>closingin_: you will get more suggestions if you press (n) for No.
12:13<closingin_>i did
12:14<musca>did you get an alternative that keeps console-setup?
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12:14<closingin_>but it involves installing some packages
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12:15<closingin_>and i don't really understand what every solutions are about
12:15<closingin_>i'm not very familiar with that kind of things
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12:16<musca>well, no wonder with about 100 packages involved :)
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12:17<musca>you can try to remove smaller selections
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12:17<closingin_>i think i'm gonna let it like that, i can't risk having my system unbootable
12:18<closingin_>i'll learn more about aptitude before going further
12:18<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Does Jessie upgrade purge stuff needed by cryptsetup normally?
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12:18<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm working right now to upgrade from wheezy to Jessie.
12:18<closingin_>ElDiabloWar3Evo, after the upgrade, i could still boot
12:19<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I am using the luks system that wheezy had setup.
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12:19<closingin_>if you used gcrypt with whirlpool, you will not be able to boot anymore
12:19<closingin_>if not, it's ok
12:19<HiTree>Just found that it's already reported as bug:
12:19<judd>Bug in network-manager (open, ipv6): «n-m activates IPv6 autoconf despite IPv6 Mathod "ignore"»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-02-01; last modified: 2011-11-16.
12:20<ElDiabloWar3Evo>With talk about purging files dealing with cryptsetup had me worried
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12:21<closingin_>ElDiabloWar3Evo, well, i think my problem is that i installed some packages from backports
12:21<tremon>ElDiabloWar3Evo: not directly, but systemd's handling of cryptdisks is different from how wheezy did it. You need to install plymouth or you won't be able to enter an unlock phrase during boot, and keyscripts are not supported
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12:22<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I installed Plymouth before the upgrade.
12:22<ElDiabloWar3Evo>It doesn't work well for wheezy, but I hope it works for jessie
12:23<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Wheezy would boot, but would not let startx to load
12:23<jimpop>wait, so systemd is also involved with processing disk de-crypting?
12:23<tremon>there also used to be an issue that crypttab should not contain lines for disks mounted from initramfs, or systemd would try to open them again and drop you to a rescue shell. Not sure if that has been fixed
12:23<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I hope that Jessie will upgrade nvidia
12:25<closingin_>musca, btw, thanks for your help, i appreciate it :)
12:25<musca>yw closingin_
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12:41<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Did we just split?
12:41<bluenemo>Hi guys. I'm running a two node corosync / pacemaker cluster. each node has several NICs connected to the other node via crosslink network cables. I'd like to replicate that setup using qemu-kvm, but I'm stuck on the network part. I want VM1 to have a NIC with and VM2 with What would be a good way to do this?
12:41<jstewart>Quick question for you folks - Before my upgrade to Debian 7, I had a "Startup Applications" app on my laptop. Seems like Debian 8 made that go away. Any idea of how that app configured startup items, I've got at least one holdout from my previous install that I need to kill.
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12:43<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm guessing everyone is upgrading to Debian 8 :p
12:44<blast007>jstewart: is there anything in ~/.config/autostart/ ?
12:44<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Jstewart do you mean downgrade to Debian 7?
12:44<bzed>bluenemo: just use something like libvirt/virt-manager and put them onto the same virtual network
12:45<jstewart>blast007: There's a few entries in there, but not the one I'm looking for. ElDiabloWar3Evo: Meant to type 8. It's only noon, I haven't had enough caffeine yet. :P
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12:46<jstewart>It looks like programs that handled their own autostart made entries in ~/.config/autostart, but the one I added via the "Startup Applications" app didn't drop it's configuration there.
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12:48<mtn>jstewart: using gnome?
12:48<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Setting up autostart stuff is easier in fluxbox
12:48<jstewart>mtn: correct.
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12:48<mtn>jstewart: gnome-tweak-tool has autostart section
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12:48<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Gnome is slow
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12:49<jstewart>mtn: I checked there too after some cursory googling, this one entry doesn't show up there either.
12:49<mtn>jstewart: what entry are you referring to? what is missing?
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12:50<jstewart>I manually created an entry in the old app to autostart conky and load my configuration. That's the one I'm trying to kill off.
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12:51<jstewart>Just can't seem to find it anywhere. If it comes down to it I'll just load up 7 in a VM and figure out where that app drops its configurations. Figured I'd ask here before putting in the extra work, though.
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12:53<jstewart>May have found my own answer, or at least a lead - it looks like this was part of gnome-session-properties, which appears to be replaced by gnome-tweak-tool in the new version.
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12:54<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Is google your friend ?
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12:56<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Major upgrading takes awhile...
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12:56<martingale>mostly depends on how fast your mirror is
12:56<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Download upgrade took 2 hours.. Then setup is going to take ???
12:57<martingale>after downloading completes, it only took me 10 mins or so to upgrade
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12:57<jstewart>ElDiabloWar3Evo: Google is an eternal PITA, my GoogleFu usually doesn't start working until I'm properly caffeinated.
12:57<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm on a Intel i-7 920 ... But its also on a Luis encrypted hard drive
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12:58<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Stupid mobile app trying to correct my spelling of luks.
12:59<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Must be taking a while since I have a ton of apps?
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13:00<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Wow it is installing 340 nvidia
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13:05<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Is there a way to drop to shell before getting to xorg?
13:05<Quentin>How remove systemd ?
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13:10<SynrGy>!remove systemd
13:10<dpkg>To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes:
13:10<SynrGy>ElDiabloWar3Evo: yes. boot the "recovery mode" entry from grub
13:10<@babilen>Quentin: Install another init system and see, you'd also need systemd-shim. The factoid above assumes that you want to use sysvinit which might not necessarily be the case (upstart, openrc, ...)
13:11<SynrGy>babilen: care to edit to clarify the factoid?
13:11<Quentin>it's ok thx
13:12<SynrGy>babilen: i think it's a *fairly* safe assumption that "remove systemd" (if unqualified by "and replace it with upstart or openrc") means "go back to what i had before", i.e. probably sysvinit ...
13:13<SynrGy>but i can see other points of view on this
13:13<Quentin>I read this :
13:13<SynrGy>Quentin: we do not run that site and have not vetted those instructions
13:14<SynrGy>the release notes themselves should be considered authoritative
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13:14<SynrGy>if you want to try instructions from a third party, ask them for support if you run into issues with them
13:14<@babilen>SynrGy: Yeah, I agree and simply added "see <upstart> and <openrc>" + the openrc factoid
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13:19<mohamad>سلام به همه
13:19<mohamad>کسی هست :؟
13:20<babilen>dpkg: ar
13:20<dpkg>hmm... ar is a program packaged in binutils to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or argentina, or #debian-ar on
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13:21<ElDiabloWar3Evo>dpkg: openshot
13:21<dpkg>ElDiabloWar3Evo: bugger all, i dunno
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13:21<ElDiabloWar3Evo>dpkg: nvidia
13:21<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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13:23<babilen>ElDiabloWar3Evo: You might want to /query the bot in private
13:23<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Its pretty neat
13:24<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I see you saw me wanting to test its knowledge
13:24<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm sure it pulls from some internet source.
13:24<nevyn>it can
13:25<nevyn>but it genrerally has handmade factoids
13:25<musca>lots of lots of factoids, not all about knowledge
13:25<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
13:26<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Can you add stuff to it?
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13:27<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I was running steam under wheezy using a special script.. I wonder if I'm going to have to use Jessie's package steam ...
13:28<ElDiabloWar3Evo>What is texlive-latex ?
13:29<dpkg>1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>)
13:31<SynrGy>ElDiabloWar3Evo: hm. probably not good to knee-jerk call out 'troll' every time you see arabic script. mohamad's inquiry looked benign
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13:32<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Okay. I'll stay silent. I'm learning irc
13:32<SynrGy>the trolls using arabic script are a bit more obvious. this one said something like "hello everyone", "anyone?"
13:32<SynrGy>(according to google translate from Persian -> english)
13:32<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Or at least for #debian. I don't want to lose support while I'm in process of upgrading to Jessie.
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13:33<SynrGy>no worries
13:33<SynrGy>just a gentle bit of advice, not a reprimand
13:33<styx-tdo_>ElDiabloWar3Evo: and after the upgrade? *SCNR*
13:33<ElDiabloWar3Evo>What is SCNR?
13:34<styx-tdo_>sorry, could not resist
13:34<SynrGy>i would like us to be culturally sensitive here
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13:34<SynrGy>assumption that if you speak Persian, you're a troll is not a good start :p
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13:35<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I understand. I'm head developer for War3Evo's TF2 community. I will be serious.
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13:35<safinaskar>hi. i just installed emacs to my jessie. when i first run emacs it says to me: This is GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 2015-03-07 on trouble, modified by Debian
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13:35<safinaskar>what means this "trouble"???
13:36<valdyn>safinaskar: hostname
13:36<styx-tdo_>ElDiabloWar3Evo: did you ever make the TF2 of steam run properly?
13:37<styx-tdo_>ElDiabloWar3Evo: oh sorry, mixed that up w/ another game. ignore, please
13:37<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm not the developer of tf2 or steam, but a sourcemod developer for the plugins it runs via metamod / sourcemod
13:37<styx-tdo_>ElDiabloWar3Evo: but you use linux, obviously, and play the game, also obviously ;)
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13:38<safinaskar>valdyn: well, this is very bad hostname
13:38<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Is it against the rules to post my website link?
13:38<styx-tdo_>ElDiabloWar3Evo: can i msg you?
13:39<blast007>ElDiabloWar3Evo: if it's not somehow related to you getting support for your Debian system, I'd recommend not
13:39<safinaskar>valdyn and others: think twice when naming a server. :))
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13:42<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Then if anyone is curios of my website, just message me for the link.
13:42<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'll not post it here. I want to keep support.
13:42<styx-tdo_>safinaskar: i took egyptian gods. the box i reinstalled 3 times is osiris ;)
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13:43<fLoo>can someone confirm/deny if when jessie is installed via netinstall (URL) virtio drivers are not installed / loaded anymore ?
13:43<fLoo>in wheezy, once i installed jessie via netinstall in a kvm-vm, virtio drivers were loaded automatically
13:44<safinaskar>styx-tdo_: and for same reason you Styx, right :)
13:44<safinaskar>styx-tdo_: ?
13:44<fLoo>for some reason my vms running on a jessie hostsystem doesnt boot anymore
13:44<fLoo>i mean fresh create jessie vms on jessie host (jessie host -> jessie vm)
13:44<styx-tdo_>safinaskar: no, that is because styx is the river of forgetting.. i still need a vim cheatsheet ;)
13:45<styx-tdo_>fLoo: define "VM"...
13:45<styx-tdo_>fLoo: KVM?
13:45<zlatan>styx-tdo_, I think he defined as kvm already
13:45<fLoo>jessie host -> kvm -> libvirt
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13:46<fLoo>but the question is regarding the netinstall routines in jessie ... im wondering if virtio isnt loaded by default anymore
13:47<fLoo>the error i'm encounting is definitly within jessie beeing installed with virtio support from the host machie but jessie cant find the initram ... its beeing stuck at "loading initial ramdisk"
13:47<fLoo>weired stuff
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13:48<fLoo>and what makes me cry even more .. windows still works on my jessie host inside a kvm .. makes me cry
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13:51<SynrGy>if i took that statement out of context, i could understand why it makes you cry :)
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13:51<zlatan>SynrGy, hahaha :D
13:51<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Wow Jessie wants to upgrade a ton of library files... How long has it been developing before it just got released?
13:52<ElDiabloWar3Evo>As stable..
13:52<SynrGy>i never did get virtio working for my use case (netbsd ... i wanted to run a mopd on it to boot netbsd/vax)
13:52<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, erm, like 1.5 year to 2
13:53<fLoo>SynrGy: virtio worked fine with exactly the same config under wheezy .. thats why im driving nuts
13:53<SynrGy>i.e. mopd on netbsd/i386 for netbooting netbsd/vax :)
13:53<SynrGy>sadly, mopd in debian no longer works :(
13:53<SynrGy>,v mopd
13:53<judd>Package: mopd on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.5.3-20; wheezy: 1:2.5.3-21
13:53<SynrGy>and nobody skilled/with enough cares to keep it alive
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13:54<SynrGy>(the wheezy one doesn't work with elf images for modern netbsd/vax :p )
13:54<zlatan>fLoo, on top of my mind would be if you can try jessie vm with ext3 (afair)
13:54<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Is it a good idea to go ahead with stretch from Jessie? So I don't have to worry about all these upgrade issues?
13:55<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Or wait it out another 2 years?
13:55<fLoo>zlatan: thanks for the idea, gimme a min i'll try this one
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13:55<ElDiabloWar3Evo>For a desktop non production system
13:56<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, that would be testing branch, so for a desktop non-production system it's very fine imho
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13:57<squish>Hi. I've got a problem regarding systemd and encrypted swap space. Can anyone help?
13:57<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Any idea how far along is stretch from Jessie?
13:57<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, ~2 years
13:57<fLoo>squish: im running systemd / luks / lvm / swap_lvm encrypted
13:57<zlatan>for release I mean
13:57<fLoo>squish: tell your problem
13:58<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Hold on... Stretch is already 2 years ahead of Jessie?
13:58<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, oh no no, release will happen in about two years
13:58<zlatan>stretch is currently very similar to jessie
13:59<ElDiabloWar3Evo> the upgrade to that should do much?
13:59<squish>floo, I've been trying to get the key after every reboot from /dev/urandom, which failed completely. Now I'm trying to get the key from a file, which opens the encrypted container, but still doesn't activate it automatically. wtf.
13:59<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, I assume it shouldn't
13:59<squish>wtf=I don't know how to proceed, dear sir.
14:00<fLoo>squish: you want to automatically uncrypt your luks device and mount it after each boot, correct?
14:00<fLoo>squish: and the key is located on your server
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14:01<squish>I think the problem is related to systemd, and could have something to do with the fact, that I didn't want to change the layout of my HD too much, when I've installed Jessie.
14:01<fLoo>squish: the key to decrypt a luks volume is permanent, you cant use a random key to decrypt it. you use /dev/urandom to create a key for the first time, store it (on your encrypted boot partition for example)
14:01<squish>I want to encrypt it with a new key after each reboot, and have it activated.
14:02<fLoo>no way
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14:02<squish>I know. The relevant files ate /etc/fstab und /etc/crypttab.
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14:02<fLoo>squish: but you cant encrypt a harddrive again, again and again after each boot
14:03<squish>I'm encrypting the volumes. I can change the key after each reboot, or am I wrong?
14:03<fLoo>squish: you're wrong
14:04<somiaj>changing the key means you have to recreate the whole file system and effectivally rewrite all the data.
14:04<fLoo>somiaj: hes talking about swap space only i guess *facepalm*
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14:04<fLoo>squish: for swap this is possible :-)
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14:05<Apollo>why would you do this...
14:05<somiaj>so I guess if it swap, he can recreate the swap each time, but he'll have to probably recreate the swap filesystem the swaponh time.
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14:05<fLoo>somiaj: yea its ... not very smart but its possible
14:05<squish>Yes, the encryption for everything else works fine, only swap doesn't do as it should,
14:05<ElDiabloWar3Evo>You can change the passphrase of a luks system right?
14:06<fLoo>i'd just create swap via LVM or filebased once, encrypt it, save the key to another encrypted partition (e.g. encrypted boot/fs partition)
14:06<squish>Yes, np.
14:06<fLoo>ElDiabloWar3Evo: yea but why do you want to switch the key for a swapvolume every boot ?
14:06<fLoo>if the system gets compromised, i'd be more worried about the fs instead of swap
14:07<squish>Yes, that's what I would prefer, but a persistent swap would be okay too. The problem is, that systemd does something I don't understand.
14:08<fLoo>squish: what exactly? i see no involvement of systemd in the encryption/decrypt process at all, atleast thats what i see on my systems
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14:08<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Why did Jessie pick systemd over wheezy's current system?
14:08<mekt>Why are there more entries in the *SUMS files than on ?
14:08<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, you really missed all the systemd debate?
14:08<fLoo>ElDiabloWar3Evo: this question my result in a long discussion here ;-)
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14:09<fLoo>squish: may i pm you
14:09<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: msg dpkg why systemd (there is a long mailing list email about comparing the various init systems and why systemd was chosen).
14:09<squish>of course @ PM.
14:09<ElDiabloWar3Evo>People with luks like me, in wondering.
14:09<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: Note I prefer to think debian now gives you the freedom to use systemd or sysvinit, so it didn't pick one over the other, for now it at least supports (Thus picked) both.
14:09<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, we just wanted to annoy gentoo people
14:09<squish>May I post four lines from the systemd journal?
14:10<zlatan>squish, use
14:10<mekt>ElDiabloWar3Evo: What happened regarding that and LUKS?
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14:11<fLoo>mekt: nothing afaik. running same LUKS / LVM / KVM here .. no problems at all
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14:12<fLoo>zlatan: same issue with ext3
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14:13<zlatan>fLoo, :-/
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14:14<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Anyone running Debian 8 with luks, with Plymouth, with nvidia.. Setup fine?
14:14<fLoo>weired isnt it ?
14:14<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Wheezy didn't like that setup and would not startx
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14:15<zlatan>fLoo, did it install grub actually?
14:16<zlatan>fLoo, sorry it seems it
14:16<fLoo>yea .. thats the point
14:16<zlatan>fLoo, did you try going into rescue mode so it dumps you at shell
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14:16<fLoo>this is what im doing now
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14:17<zlatan>fLoo, you are in rescue shell or are trying to get into one?
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14:17<ElDiabloWar3Evo>It would be nice to have a run on number of files left to uodate ...
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14:18<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, ?
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14:18<ElDiabloWar3Evo>During upgrade dist
14:19<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Preparing... Unpacking...
14:19<fLoo>zlatan: im trying to get into a rescue shell now
14:19<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, it should show a beautiful slider ^_^
14:19<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm in console
14:19<ElDiabloWar3Evo>As recommended for this update
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14:19<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, again, it should show a beautiful slider ^_^
14:20<fLoo>yea .. the new slider is someone copied from redhat *cough*
14:20<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I would be just happy with rolling text of how many files left.
14:21<fLoo>ElDiabloWar3Evo: you'll getsomething like 1/50 [40%] [#########.................]
14:21<fLoo>plus which package is processed atm
14:21<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, well most of debian people are artist and not accountants so we prefer sliders :D
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14:22<zlatan>fLoo, it's a lie we copied...the slider was coming in Debian for a long time (we just needed to assure it quality stands our standards)!
14:22<SynrGy>quick, to the delorean to patent the slider!
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14:23<fLoo>zlatan, ;-)
14:24<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Just want this to hurry up so I can take either beer or pain killers or both.
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14:24<zlatan>SynrGy, yea, that way we would made others cry and beg us for it /evil masterplan!
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14:24<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, you have time to take both, that's why it made the time
14:25<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I don't want to be drunk while it still needs me to do stuff
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14:26<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, debian is made for drunk people - believe me that on personal account
14:27<SynrGy>ElDiabloWar3Evo: apt-get install angrydd
14:27<SynrGy>delegate your install to the dwarves ... ;)
14:27<SynrGy>sorry for the OT. we should take it to #debian-offtopic
14:28<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Such a channel?
14:28<SynrGy>yes. you're welcome to join
14:28<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, that is a trap
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14:29<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, if you go there you can become addicted and that means stuck with people which is horrible /o\
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14:29<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Is that where you ban people to?
14:30<SynrGy>er, no. it's where we redirect non-support discussions. it's perfectly friendly
14:30<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, oh no, we ban people to #debian-paultag-fanclub
14:30<SynrGy>bad zlatan. bad.
14:30*zlatan hides
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14:31<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Is there a Debian programming channel?
14:31<centrx>can't be divulging top secret info like that
14:31<centrx>ElDiabloWar3Evo, What kind of Debian programming?
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14:32<SynrGy>ElDiabloWar3Evo: in general, coding is not distro-specific
14:32<centrx>ElDiabloWar3Evo, That generally falls under C++/Java/Linux programming in general
14:32<SynrGy>so there are no distro-specific channels for languages.
14:32<centrx>Java specifically is even supposed to be OS-independent
14:32<SynrGy>there are instead, development channels focused on areas of debian
14:32<zlatan>ElDiabloWar3Evo, as mentioned already but if you want to package for debian there are #debian-mentors
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14:33<dpkg>Want to help out with Debian and become more involved in the Debian project? The tools wnpp-alert, rc-alert (both from the devscripts package) and how-can-i-help can provide inspiration on buggy or unmaintained packages that you have installed on your system. Ask me about <wnpp>, <rc-alert>, <devscripts>, <new maintainer guide>.
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14:33<SynrGy>ElDiabloWar3Evo: some starting points if you are aiming to become a contributor ^^
14:34<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Thanks. I will tackle this sometime.
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14:35<fLoo>i hate jessie so much
14:36<centrx>but jessie likes you
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14:38<EmleyMoor>When I start my system there's a message about courier-imap-ssl failing - but it works when I start it later. How do I see the original message once startup is complete?
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14:39<somiaj>EmleyMoor: using systemd or sysvinit?
14:40<somiaj>EmleyMoor: journalctl can output some logs, but 'systemctl status courier-imap-ssl' should give you output specific to that service
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14:41<squish>Okay. Dude, where art thou, there are 775 names on the list.
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14:42<centrx>Wherefore art thou Dude?
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14:43<ryouma>squish: you lost your scrollback?
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14:44<EmleyMoor>BTW, journalctl shows this, lots of times... (pid number changes of course) - systemd-udevd[547]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory
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14:46<somiaj>EmleyMoor: though you may want to see what the issue is ther,e not sure if that is the cause of the paticular service you were having troubles with.
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14:46<EmleyMoor>somiaj: No, that's something else
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14:49<fLoo>zlatan: can u assist me with a rescue console in kvm ?
14:49<EmleyMoor>I'm about to reboot to test I've fixed everything - but the systemd-udevd thing I haven't touched
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14:49<zlatan>fLoo, are you in rescue console?
14:49<fLoo>nope i cant get into
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14:50<DrZaius>is /etc/default/grub read anymore? i noticed i have a grub.merge-error and a grub.ucf-dist since 18 oct 2014 :S
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14:50<zlatan>fLoo, is it a graphical installation of jessie?
14:50<fLoo>as i said, all headless
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14:50<fLoo>gonna fix boot options to rescue/enable=true i guess
14:50<zlatan>fLoo, I oversaw that or jumped in late :)
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14:55<zlatan>fLoo, did you tried instruction from debian wiki about kvm images and/or did you check some bug reports regarding kvm etc?
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15:06<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... different error stopping it this time... but there's also a console-kit-... related one...
15:07<EmleyMoor>Further, I have some libguestfs filesystems I want to mount as part of startup, but the normal mounting through the fstab doesn't work at startup any more - any hints as to how I can fix it?
15:08<fLoo>btw zlatan:
15:08<fLoo>zlatan, this one i've encountered this morning ... jessie is atm way too unstable for production imho
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15:09<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to see what systemctl says is "failed"?
15:10<somiaj>EmleyMoor: systemctl status is the best thig I have found so far.
15:10<EmleyMoor>somiaj: That says how many, without identifying them
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15:11<EmleyMoor>I now have only one fail anyway and I know what it is. I'll test again...
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15:11<somiaj>EmleyMoor: just look at the output of 'systemctl' it hsould list all services and their state.
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15:12<fLoo>journalctl -p is what he is looking for
15:12<fLoo>there he can filter by priority
15:13<fLoo>between 0/emerg and 7/debug
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15:14<cousin_luigi>I did a silly thing.
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15:14<fLoo>sleep with your cousin?
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15:15<cousin_luigi>I upgraded to jessie and forgot to check that everything I had installed was compatible. Now I'm stuck with an external package with an unmet dependency.
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15:15<fLoo>cant u just skip without that dependency ?
15:16<fLoo>--force ?
15:16<closingin__>cousin_luigi, where are you stucked exactly ?
15:16<EmleyMoor>cousin_luigi: You'll have to find a way to meet it... such as another version of the package...
15:16<cousin_luigi>EmleyMoor: not there. It used to be supplied by libapache2-mod-php5 on wheezy.
15:16<somiaj>probably better to remove this third party package for now, and finish the upgrade then figure out how to reinstall the software.
15:17<cousin_luigi>somiaj: I'm currently into phase2.
15:17<cousin_luigi>Is equivs the only way to handle this?
15:17<EmleyMoor>"/var/run/courier/ No such file or directory" is what's causing my failure...
15:18<EmleyMoor>What should I do to fix this problemL
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15:18<somiaj>cousin_luigi: maybe take a step back and describe the actual package/software that is giving issues.
15:19<somiaj>cousin_luigi: equivs is a solution to having a locally installed version of something, but not to trick a package into thinking a dependency is satsfied.
15:21<cousin_luigi>somiaj: It's "php5-mapi" required by zarafa. Forced the installation, trying it now.
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15:21<somiaj>cousin_luigi: where did you get the php5-mapi package for wheezy?
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15:23<ElDiabloWar3Evo>How long should 'Starting Manage, Install and Generate Profiles... formats...ns).nk was shutdown.....' Take after first reboot on upgrading Jessie?
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15:23<somiaj>cousin_luigi: standard suggestion is if the third party isn't making packgaes for jessie, to either use a source install or build your own custom packages for jessie.
15:23<cousin_luigi>somiaj: from the zarafa archive
15:23<cousin_luigi>somiaj: Not Found: PHP mapi extension not found :/
15:24<cousin_luigi>somiaj: I guess I could try...
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15:24<cousin_luigi>but I suspect it will require some tinkering.
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15:25<anonymous>alguem ai
15:25<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Any buttons I can press to drop to shell if my system us hanging on boot ..just before it launches the graphical login?
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15:25<ElDiabloWar3Evo>us = just
15:25<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: ctl-alt-f1 work?
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15:25<somiaj>ElDiabloWar3Evo: this is assuming that what is crashed is the display manager.
15:26<ElDiabloWar3Evo>That works
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15:26<somiaj>cousin_luigi: I'm not seeing any debian packages, only ones for ubuntu. Did you use the .tar.gz file to install zarafa?
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15:26<EmleyMoor>Now I can't get courier-imapd-ssl to start manually either
15:26<cousin_luigi>somiaj: there are .deb files inside the tarball
15:27<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Dang it... What to do now.. With Jessie not liking Plymouth ..
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15:27<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Somehow Plymouth works, but it won't startx
15:27<somiaj>cousin_luigi: yea at this point I think you upgraded to jessie to soon if you need this software.
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15:28<somiaj>cousin_luigi: I would go look for zarafa support. They may build stuff for jessie, but since it just released it may not be ready for a bit. Not sure what the best suggestion would be for you (if it was me I'd probabaly run wheezy until zarafa had jessie support)
15:28<cousin_luigi>somiaj: I guess I'll have to switch to kolab after all.
15:28<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Modprobe error could not insert 'nvidia_current': no such device
15:29<cousin_luigi>somiaj: It's not publicly available yet. At least that's what they said in a forum thread.
15:29<cousin_luigi>somiaj: Unfortunately I can't downgrade to wheezy, can I?:/
15:29<somiaj>cousin_luigi: nope, you'll have to reinstall wheezy and then restore data from a backup
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15:29<somiaj>cousin_luigi: usually suggested you test an upgrade in a vm before so on a production system just cause of things lke this.
15:30<cousin_luigi>somiaj: I know, but this is something for personal use.
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15:30<cousin_luigi>Not really mission-critical.
15:30<somiaj>cousin_luigi: yea sorry I don't have better advise. :/
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15:30<EmleyMoor>systemctl fails to start courier-imap-ssl: "/var/run/courier/ No such file or directory" is what's causing my failure... what can I do to fix?
15:30<cousin_luigi>somiaj: thanks, I'm also asking on their channel to see if there is anything to be done.
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15:34<ElDiabloWar3Evo>What is KMS?
15:34<ElDiabloWar3Evo>How do I know if my Debian system has kms enabled?
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15:37<ixi>switch to different vt
15:37<ixi>if the resolution changes, you have no kms
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15:44<tylerdurden>My network card is using the wrong kernel driver. Its using vfio-pci that other devices need on that machine. How do I force my network card to use ath9k
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15:45<tylerdurden>can you blacklist for just one device?
15:45<tylerdurden>can you blacklist for just one device?
15:45<tylerdurden>or rmmod and modprobe for just a single device
15:46<valdyn>tylerdurden: vfio is not loaded automatically
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15:46<valdyn>tylerdurden: while ath9k should be
15:46<tylerdurden>a few of the machines in my computer I using that driver to pass hw
15:47<tylerdurden>so I am loading it for them
15:47<valdyn>tylerdurden: of course, but ath9k should already be loaded at that point
15:47<valdyn>tylerdurden: why is it not?
15:47<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Debian is not loading the login screen for Jessie. It flashes a screen then says 'ns).nk was shutdown.....' and hangs
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15:48<valdyn>tylerdurden: because you plug your card in later?
15:48<tylerdurden>valdyn yeah ath9k is loaded but not being used.
15:48<tylerdurden>valdyn, no its a pcie card
15:48<valdyn>tylerdurden: missing firmware?
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15:49<valdyn>tylerdurden: the nic should be up and running and in use before vfio gets loaded, thats what i dont get
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15:49<tylerdurden>The Atheros AR93xx Wireless Network I would think. It is prolly one of the most linux friendly cards out there.
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15:49<valdyn>tylerdurden: so maybe you miss firmware, if thats possible
15:50<tylerdurden>valdyn, no its there.
15:50<jcdubacq>I have trouble upgrading from wheezy to jessie
15:50<valdyn>tylerdurden: did you do something like adding vfio to /etc/modules?
15:50<tylerdurden>valdyn, same card I have been using with Debian since squeeze
15:51<tylerdurden>yeah I did valdyn
15:51<valdyn>tylerdurden: that might be the reason
15:51<valdyn>tylerdurden: so place ath9k before that vfio line
15:51<valdyn>tylerdurden: and regenerate your initrd
15:52<jcdubacq>I could pinpoint this to the following : sudo apt-get install libcogl20=1.18.2-3 → libcogl20 : Depends: libwayland-egl1-mesa (>= 10.0.2) but it is not going to be installed or libwayland-egl1
15:52<jcdubacq>I use nvidia proprietary drivers and I suppose this is the reason
15:52<tylerdurden>valdyn gonna give that a try. Anyway to force unload for the mean time. I have ppl on this machine atm
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15:54<tylerdurden>valdyn, yup that sneaky little vfio driver ninja'd my network card at boot when vfio groups were being setup. Looks like the devices are reset and for iommu
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15:58<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I was able to solve my issue by removing the kms settings from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
15:59<ElDiabloWar3Evo>And using theme text mode with plymouth
16:00<ElDiabloWar3Evo>How do I select fluxbox ?
16:00<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I used to be able to select that window manager
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16:03<tylerdurden>valdyn, did not work. would using pci-stub for the device be a good idea?
16:03<valdyn>tylerdurden: no idea
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16:03<tylerdurden>anyway to unload the driver for just that device?
16:03<valdyn>tylerdurden: the correct order should fix this, thats all i know really
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16:04<valdyn>tylerdurden: or you just forgot to regen the initrd?
16:04<valdyn>tylerdurden: i cant believe your VM stuff has to load before /etc/modules
16:05<tylerdurden>its all iommu stuff with uefi. Dont like all the funky stuff going on with hw =/
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16:21<fLoo>anyone in here using jessie host system running kvm on it ?
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16:24<tylerdurden>fLoo, kvm works fine and even vfio is enabled by default now.
16:24<fLoo>tylerdurden: clean jessie install or upgrade from wheezy ?
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16:25<tylerdurden>fLoo, for once I did a clean install. Did not want to chance things with systemd
16:25<fLoo>tylerdurden: further, VM disc as QCOW2 or RAW ?
16:25<gernot>Hello, all. In the past, one could switch VTs with Ctrl-Alt-F<n>. Now, using Jessie, it works with just Alt-F<n> and even Alt-Left/Right which gets in my way a lot. Where is the right place to configure this?
16:25<tylerdurden>I use both but raw for machines that need really fast io
16:26<fLoo>for goddamn sake i cant install jessie while windows does
16:26<fLoo>same config, same install routines worked under wheezy
16:26<fLoo>neither with QCOW2 or RAW
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16:26<fLoo>fs doesnt matter, it just gets stuck at Loading initial ramdisk ...
16:26<fLoo>you installed via URL ?
16:27<tylerdurden>fLoo, I used a usb
16:27<tylerdurden>just dd to it
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16:28<fLoo>here is my install routine
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16:28<fLoo>worked with wheezy on wheezy host
16:29<fLoo>does _not_ work with jessie on jessie host
16:29<centrx>fLoo, Please don't double-post without saying so
16:29<tylerdurden>in the man of virt-install there is an example at the bottom for debian
16:30<fLoo>im sorry centrx, for clarification, im also asking on freenode :|
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16:31<centrx>fLoo, Can't you get an ISO and install it that way with KVM?
16:31<fLoo>trying now
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16:31<fLoo>but netinstall is supposed to work, isnt it
16:32<fLoo>and i dont like trying another method which should work when the bug still exists
16:32<fLoo>i rather prefer filing a bugreport
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16:33<somiaj>EmleyMoor: seems strange it is looking for a lock file, could it be that the directiory /var/run is not being created.
16:34<somiaj>EmleyMoor: give me the output of ls -ld /var/run
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16:36<fLoo>centrx: using iso now with vnc over ssh to install jessie .. lets see if this works out
16:37<centrx>fLoo, netinstall should work, but the netinstall itself has an ISO to start from
16:37<tylerdurden>fLoo, 90% of what you got there you dont need if you read the man for virt-install. The path to the disk, network info (unless you are bridging)
16:37<fLoo>centrx: exactly, i've booted off the netinst iso now
16:37<tylerdurden>just read the examples at the end
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16:39<fLoo>tylerdurden: i prefer the many options because i got several slightly different configured vms .. i know about default configs, but these _may_ change without me beeing aware of it
16:39<tylerdurden>fLoo, one thing you do want to use is virtio drivers though.
16:39<fLoo>i already do
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16:41<tylerdurden>cache=none,io=native like you have is good for raw btw
16:41<fLoo>thats why i'm using it ;)
16:42<tylerdurden>you are going to pass a pci graphics card?
16:42<fLoo>netinstall worked
16:42<fLoo>with cd
16:42<fLoo>this is true BS
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16:43<tylerdurden>yeah why you so surprised. You think everybody just made that shit up?
16:44<devsterknight>hi, I'm trying to set a new mount with systemd, I created a mountpoint.mount file under /etc/systemd/user, but after reloading systemd I still can't activate it
16:44<fLoo>what do you mean by that tylerdurden?
16:45<tylerdurden>ofc it works.
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16:46<fLoo>yea, the question which remains is why does netistall does not (from url)
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16:47<tylerdurden>try this and see if it works. If it does then you know it is the location structure that is the issue
16:47<EmleyMoor>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 27 2012 /var/run -> /run
16:47<EmleyMoor>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 27 2012 /var/run -> /run
16:47<EmleyMoor>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 27 2012 /var/run -> /run
16:47<EmleyMoor>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 27 2012 /var/run -> /run
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16:48<EmleyMoor>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 27 2012 /var/run -> /run
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16:48<fLoo>tylerdurden: im trying debian jessie not fedora
16:48<fLoo>but i can try fedora for testig purposes too, hold on
16:48<tylerdurden>fLoo, I know but just to test
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16:50<fLoo>i cant resolve
16:50<tylerdurden>let me try .. one sec
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16:51<tylerdurden>fLoo, you are right they must of changed it.
16:52<tylerdurden>Ill find a new one
16:52<fLoo>is the one you're looking for
16:52<fLoo>they've changed it in 2012 ;)
16:52<fLoo>virt-inst manual is up2date for sure
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17:00<tylerdurden>fLoo, seems to be up to date for debian
17:00<fLoo>tylerdurden: this is qcow2
17:00<fLoo>and eosnot work for jessie on jessie
17:00<tylerdurden>fLoo, you can change the details
17:01<fLoo>yea so what do you want me to install ?
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17:01<fLoo>centos 6 ?
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17:07<tylerdurden>fLoo, how large you want the disk space
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17:10<fLoo>tylerdurden: 50g
17:11<fLoo>lets give it a try
17:12<tylerdurden>depending on the version of virt-install you can be more specific about the os-variant
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17:14<fLoo>you cant use disk size with raw partitions
17:14<fLoo>because they are aligned already
17:14<fLoo>that applies only to qcow2 images
17:16<fLoo>the website itself doesnt mention raw installs at all
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17:18<tylerdurden>raw should be default but add format=raw ie --disk size=50,cache=none,io=native,format=raw
17:18-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*] by somiaj
17:18-!-mode/#debian [-o somiaj] by somiaj
17:18<fLoo>still disk path missing
17:18<fLoo>and one argument after another we're getting to my solution ;)
17:19<tylerdurden>you should not need that unless you have a custom place for your images
17:19<somiaj>fLoo: there is #virt on this network to for libvirt. I would exahust the help here first before going there, also they can be a bit slow at responding, but give good help.
17:19<fLoo>tylerdurden: my vms are location on LVMs
17:19<fLoo>so yes i needit
17:19<tylerdurden>that use path
17:19<EmleyMoor>I currently have a problem getting clamd and exim to talk to each other. If I try the Unix socket, I get this: 2015-05-01 22:16:52 1YoIIm-0004P0-0A malware acl condition: clamd: ClamAV returned: /var/spool/exim4/scan/1YoIIm-0004P0-0A/1YoIIm-0004P0-0A.eml: lstat() failed: Permission denied. ERROR
17:19<fLoo>somiaj: waiting for about 12 hours now ;)
17:20<EmleyMoor>If I try the TCP socket, this happens: 2015-05-01 22:09:46 1YoIBu-0004DN-I4 malware acl condition: clamd: failed to connect to couldn't connect to any host: Connection refused
17:20<tylerdurden>I know a few of the devs there. Just say something sucks and they will start talking =P
17:20<somiaj>fLoo: well maybe you can answer my question. Trying to find a decent method to share my debian host with a windows guest. Was thinking of putting a fat32 file system they can both have access to, but this is probabaly dangerous. I just don't want to run samba.
17:20<EmleyMoor>Obviously I need to get one or 0other to work but can't see how to
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17:21<fLoo>tylerdurden: i will debug this shit until i fall asleep ;)
17:21<D3RP>know anything about Kali-Linux?
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17:21<fLoo>never heared kali ... o_Ô
17:22<D3RP>don't do that, that was scary
17:22<EmleyMoor>D3RP: It's not Debias
17:22<towo`>all i know about kali, it's not supported here
17:22<D3RP>Kali is a Debain 7/wheezy
17:22<D3RP>maybe not flat out, but it's still the same base system
17:22<EmleyMoor>D3RP: No, it's "based on Debian"
17:22<fLoo>nope,kali is kali
17:22<fLoo>and ubuntu is ubuntu
17:23<D3RP>ok but, gksudo still shouldnt be giving me
17:23<D3RP>(gksudo:8081): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed
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17:23<tylerdurden>that says f all nothing
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17:24<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
17:24<fLoo> #kali-linux
17:24<somiaj>D3RP: if you choose to use kali linux, please use their support on
17:24<D3RP>oh freenode, no shit
17:24<D3RP>last time I was there there they didn't have one
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17:26<EmleyMoor>I commented out the clamd line in the exim config, and now get: 2015-05-01 22:26:00 1YoIRc-0004eP-P3 malware acl condition: sophie: unable to connect to UNIX socket (/var/run/sophie): No such file or directory
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17:27<EmleyMoor>I'm obviously a bit messed up here... what do I need to do?
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17:30<EmleyMoor>Seems the sophie thing is normal if the av_scanner directive is commented out
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17:31<Darby>hi to all
17:31<Darby>i have a issue on Jessie
17:31<Darby>imagemagick doesn't run from menu
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17:32<somiaj>EmleyMoor: well I asked you for some inf, 'ls -ld /var/run'
17:32<somiaj>Darby_Crash: Does it run from the command line just fine?
17:33<somiaj>Darby_Crash: i.e. open up a terminal and rung imagemagick.
17:33<Darby_Crash>darby@Darby:~/Scrivania$ imagemagick
17:33<Darby_Crash>not found
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17:34<somiaj>Darby_Crash: sorry, imagemagic
17:34<Darby_Crash>ok :)
17:35<EmleyMoor>somiaj: I'll do that now. Think exim/clamav are fixed but courier still a problem
17:35<Darby_Crash>is the same
17:35<Darby_Crash>not found
17:35<EmleyMoor>[A[A[Alrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 27 2012 /var/run -> /run
17:35<somiaj>Darby_Crash: arg, anyways what are you expecting to run when you run imagemagck from the the menu, you realize it is a collection of lots of programs?
17:35<EmleyMoor>Net of a few spurious [As
17:36<somiaj>EmleyMoor: well something is strange if you are not getting permissions to access things in /run, either a configuration issue or the user you are running things as.
17:36<Darby_Crash>when i run imagemagick from menu it show a window with a wizard
17:36<somiaj>EmleyMoor: but that looks fine, the link points to the right spot, okay 'ls -ld /run/sophie'
17:36<Darby_Crash>but now doesn't run anymore on Jessie
17:36<EmleyMoor>somiaj: courier-imap is fine though... only courier-imap-ssl down
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17:37<fLoo>tylerdurden: done
17:37<fLoo>same result
17:37<fLoo>doesnt work
17:37<somiaj>Darby_Crash: I think the command is called 'display'
17:37<fLoo>with url install
17:37<EmleyMoor>somiaj: Ignore that one... was a clamav config issue now fixed.
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17:37<somiaj>EmleyMoor: you have repoprted errors like this a few times, with permissions denyed, seems somethingis configured incorrectly but I couldn't gess what.
17:38<EmleyMoor>somiaj: But it's only courier-imap-ssl that's affected now
17:38<tylerdurden>fLoo you got it working ?
17:38<fLoo>same result
17:38<somiaj>Darby_Crash: does running 'display' work.
17:38<Darby_Crash>running display it work
17:39<Darby_Crash>i know it
17:39*EmleyMoor checks for any new config
17:39<Darby_Crash>but with Wheezy in Applications/Grafic/ImageMagic
17:39<somiaj>Darby_Crash: sounds like an issue with the menu entry, how you edit it depends on your desktop/wm. Could be a bad .desktop file, could be a stale menu.
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17:40<Darby_Crash>i have installed Jessie + Mate
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17:41<Brigo>Darby_Crash, i have that issue too.
17:41<somiaj>Darby_Crash: yea could just be a bad .desktop or menu file, not sure if mate uses .desktop files or is using the old debian 'menu' system.
17:41<somiaj>You can of course edit those menu enteries, but this seems like something you'll have to fix so it runs the display command correctly, since as you saw the command works just fine.
17:41<Darby_Crash>Mate is Gnome2
17:42<somiaj>a fork
17:42<somiaj>I think gnome2 was using .desktop files, but I haven't used gnome since 1.2
17:42<EmleyMoor>I think I've fixed it
17:42<EmleyMoor>(needs .pid file there to start with)
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17:43<Brigo>there is already a bug repot #773426
17:43<judd>Bug in imagemagick (open): «imagemagick: Imagemagick not run from menu in Mate»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-12-18; last modified: 2014-12-18.
17:43<Darby_Crash>->/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ImageMagick-6.8.9/bin-Q16/display %f
17:44<Darby_Crash>this is the command from menu
17:44<somiaj>,v imagemagick
17:44<judd>Package: imagemagick on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 8:; squeeze: 8:; squeeze-security-lts: 8:; wheezy: 8:; wheezy-security: 8:; stretch: 8:; jessie: 8:; sid: 8:
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17:45<Darby_Crash>this work darby@Darby:~/Scrivania$ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ImageMagick-6.8.9/bin-Q16/display
17:45<somiaj>that path seems strange, I would imangine it lives at /usr/bin/display
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17:45<somiaj>Darby_Crash: type 'wich display'
17:46<Darby_Crash>which display
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17:47<Jane-PC>Darby_Crash, do u like Punk music ?
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17:47<somiaj>Darby_Crash: now 'ls -l /usr/bin/display'
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17:47<Darby_Crash>L.A. hardcore punk
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17:48<Darby_Crash>darby@Darby:~/Scrivania$ ls -l /usr/bin/display
17:48<Darby_Crash>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 mag 1 23:29 /usr/bin/display -> /etc/alternatives/display
17:48<somiaj>Darby_Crash: anyways there is something with out the menu entry is executed, but I bet ya it is pointing to the right spot since you can put the path in a terminal and it works.
17:48<somiaj>Darby_Crash: not sure how mate handels its menu system though
17:49<Darby_Crash>darby@Darby:~/Scrivania$ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ImageMagick-6.8.9/bin-Q16/display
17:49<Darby_Crash>work fine from shell
17:49<Darby_Crash>but not from menu
17:50<somiaj>so it is something about mate executes commands from the menu. might need an 'exec' in front of the command, but I don't know mate well enough to be of much more help. The issue is the menu entry
17:51<Darby_Crash>only in menu
17:52<Darby_Crash>and only for imagemagick
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17:52<Darby_Crash>on all jessie + mate installations
17:53<somiaj>yea it is probably some slight bug with the menu or .desktop entry, but I'm not seeing it
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17:53<Darby_Crash>i've tested this only on 64bit systems
17:54<Darby_Crash>but maybe is the same on 32bit
17:54<Darby_Crash>the issue is in the menu
17:54<Darby_Crash>not in deb packet
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17:56<Darby_Crash>i must change path?
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17:59<somiaj>well the package provides menu enteries, so it could be a bug, but I'd try to track down the actual problem with the menu entry
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18:08<EmleyMoor>I think only the printers remain to be sorted now :-)
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18:10<ZIPY>is cinnamon or mate lightweight?
18:10<Ir0nsh007er>xfce :P
18:10<Ir0nsh007er>yeah lxde
18:11<SynrGy>none of the above. only lxde :)
18:11<SynrGy>if you actually measure it, the rest are pretty fat
18:11<ZIPY>ye i dont like both of them
18:11<SynrGy>if you want something truly minimal. just a WM
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18:12<ZIPY>so much space waisted from the xfce bar in fullscreen on my netbook
18:12<ZIPY>gnome classic is to heavy now :(
18:12<SynrGy>case study: eeepc model 1001px, max 2G RAM. can barely support any of these desktops. only xfce4 and lxde
18:12<SynrGy>perhaps mate
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18:12<SynrGy>but lxde gives me the most available RAM for apps
18:13<ZIPY>its not the ram, the prob is more the gnome effects when hovering left top corner
18:13<Guest3893>hello, i am trying to install debian on a laptop but i cant open a guide because iceweasel crashes all the time, can i install another browser?
18:13<ZIPY>bloody gma500
18:13<SynrGy>well, depends on the video chipset
18:14<SynrGy>some desktops with effects can have them tuned down
18:14<SynrGy>if it's only effects giving you grief
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18:16<JasonLab>Hi everyone. I'm on Jessie and at boot, it prompts me for my password (although it shouldn't since auto-login is activated in my parameters). When I login, I get a blank screen with a blinking caret on the top left corner. If I launch startX in a TTY, X boots normally. The problem appereard after I uninstalled fglrx proprietary drivers.
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18:20<ZIPY>JasonLab: so what drivers do u have active now?
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18:22<JasonLab>ZIPY: i915 and radeon. So free drivers I guess.
18:23<SynrGy>non-free firmware?
18:24<sleser>does lsb-core pakage works when one tries on weezy to download and install from apper ?
18:24<ZIPY> <- i use this ones since jessie, fglrx had some problems with my hd 7870 resulting in blackscreens
18:24<ZIPY>working fine for me
18:24<sleser>im having this dependency issue falowing me everywhere
18:24<EmleyMoor>cups 1.7.5 can still fully support parallel printers?
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18:26<JasonLab>SynrGy, if you're talking to me and asking if firmware-linux-nonfree is installed on my computer, the answer is yes. ZIPY, I think that's the one I'm currently using (and seem to work by the way).
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18:33<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: yes
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18:43<sleser> can some one chek what is t he exact problem is
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18:50<somiaj>sleser: looks like you have a version conflict between versions in wheezy and version in secuirty. But can't tell from your output.
18:50<somiaj>,v libasprintf0c2
18:50<judd>Package: libasprintf0c2 on amd64 -- wheezy:; wheezy-backports: 0.19.3-2~bpo70+1; stretch: 0.19.3-2; sid: 0.19.3-2; jessie: 0.19.3-2
18:51<somiaj>sleser: sorry version between wheezy-backports and wheezy
18:51<somiaj>,v gettext
18:51<judd>Package: gettext on amd64 -- squeeze:; wheezy:; wheezy-backports: 0.19.3-2~bpo70+1; stretch: 0.19.3-2; sid: 0.19.3-2; jessie: 0.19.3-2
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18:52<sleser>um makes sens . long time ago i used a backport and forgot to coment it after so wrong updates came
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18:52<sleser>can that be the problem ?
18:52<somiaj>sleser: so the problem is some of the packages you want to isntall are the wheezy-backports version and some are the wheezy version causing dependency issues. The one I see is it seems you are installing gettext from wheezy, but you already have libasprintf0c2 installe dfrom wheezy backports
18:52<sleser>id like to fix it
18:52<somiaj>so yea you already have the libasprintf0c2 installed on your system and it is from wheezy-backports (don't know what you have that depends on it)
18:52<sleser>use the one for weezy
18:53<sleser>how to find out what depends on it ?
18:53<somiaj>well you will either have to get the gettext version from wheezy-backports or downgrade the libasprintf0c2 version to wheezy. But i'm unsure what you have installed from backports that depends on it.
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18:53<somiaj>aptitude why libasprintf0c2 might tell you
18:53<EmleyMoor>I'm having some X trouble... had a "no action" - so I restarted gdm. Now I have just a gref background on login - what can I do?
18:54<sleser>shows me i gettext-base Depends libasprintf0c2 (>=
18:54<somiaj>sleser: what happens if you try to remove (--purge) the libasprintf0c2 package?
18:55<sleser>should i try ?
18:55<sleser>i dont know what will hapen ...
18:55<somiaj>sleser: might be easiest to remove that libary and all of its dependentcies, and then reinstall them from the wheezy version
18:55<sleser>can you guide me on how to ?
18:55<somiaj>sleser: it will tell you what other packages it has to remove, and ask you Y or N, you don't have to say yes, but at least you know what depends on it
18:55<somiaj>sleser: run apt-get remove libasprintf0c2
18:56<somiaj>sleser: what other packages does it want to remove?
18:57<somiaj>EmleyMoor: you seem to be having lots of troubles, what did you do to your system? (:
18:57<EmleyMoor>somiaj: You have one guess...
18:57<sleser>im not sure if i should yes to it or no
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18:58<sleser>playonlinux i dont need it
18:58<somiaj>sleser: I would say no. Do you know if any of those packages are from wheezy-backports?
18:58<sleser>im not sure
18:58<somiaj>sleser: I will assume playonlinux is the culprit, so 'apt-cache policy playonlinux' please
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18:59<somiaj>sleser: also say no
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18:59*EmleyMoor switched from nvidia to nouveau - but is wondering now if that was a good idea
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19:00<somiaj>sleser: go though every package in that list typing 'apt-cache policy' and tell me if any of them was installed from wheezy-backports (don't paste it, look and read yourself)
19:00<hillhoppernew>what's with hotplugging a gamepad? Just ignorant.
19:00<EmleyMoor>What in the solar system could cause this "no progress in X" business?
19:00<somiaj>but I gotta go, what you need to do is figure out why this libary is isntalled from wheezy-backports.
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19:00<damjan>I'm booting a raspberry pi over NFS on a Debian server … but filesystem operations from the r-pi are very slow. are there any hints of improving the performance
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19:00<sleser>ok i go na try
19:01<EmleyMoor>hillhoppernew: What's with your question? With USB gamepads it's certainly not unusual
19:01<somiaj>sleser: what does this command do, aptitude install libasprintf0c2=
19:01<hillhoppernew>ok I now thaat. would like to have gamepad. thanks.
19:02<Darby_Crash>for gamepad suppord you must install xpad
19:02<sleser>i think it downgraded it would you like to see ?
19:03<hillhoppernew>ok xpad. thanks again. bbl
19:03<EmleyMoor>Darby_Crash: ???
19:03<somiaj>sleser: now try your original command
19:03<somiaj>sleser: but I got to go, now that it is downgraded maybe things will work, good luck
19:03<sleser>ill play around . next time id like your help to continue
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19:04<hillhoppernew>I have xpad 4.1-1
19:04<EmleyMoor>I don't think xpad actually has anything to do with it
19:04<hillhoppernew>i need it for a win game
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19:05<hillhoppernew>I readig...
19:05<Darby_Crash>i use xpad for my xbox gamepad
19:05<Darby_Crash>on Jessie + Mate
19:06<hillhoppernew>this is not running box. legacy win98 game
19:06<sleser>somiaj problem fix
19:07<hillhoppernew>I can use keyboard, but gampad is plugged into usb and not seen.
19:09<hillhoppernew>lsusb dos not list it
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19:09<sleser>guy is it ok to download google earth deb pakage from google ? i see it in apper but apper wont let me install it it says it has no candidate
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19:11<hillhoppernew>how do I reconfigure X?
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19:13<hillhoppernew>all quiet on western front
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19:14<hillhoppernew>I go get coffee
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19:22<Guest3901>good day
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19:32<EmleyMoor>courier problem *not* permanently fiked
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19:37<gabriel_>Hi, I just upgraded from wheezy to jessie and I have a systemd problem at the bootup
19:37<EmleyMoor>gabriel_: ...
19:38<gabriel_>It halts, first I thought I had a module problem, but I downloaded and dpkg-ed it and failed
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19:38<gabriel_>looking at the log seems like a lot of fails
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19:38<gabriel_>something /lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event
19:39<EmleyMoor>gabriel_: I get that too... doesn't seem to be affecting anything
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19:40<gabriel_>I can't bootup normally
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19:40<gabriel_>It starts the emergency or maintenance mode
19:40<EmleyMoor>gabriel_: Are you mounting any unusual filesystems at boot time?
19:41<gabriel_>at fstab we have two HDD with ntfs
19:41<gabriel_>will try making a copy and rebooting
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19:42<EmleyMoor>Try adding the "noauto" option...
19:43<EmleyMoor>I think fuse mounts at boot time now fail - you could always mount them in /etc/rc.local
19:43<gabriel_>ok, booted up
19:43<gabriel_>what should we do?
19:44<gabriel_>I feel it like a little bit "dirty"
19:45<EmleyMoor>Put the noauto option on the fstab lines for the affected filesystems, then add mount /dir lines for them to /etc/rc.local in place of the usual exit 0
19:45<Brigo>gabriel_, then you have problems booting ntfs disk with systemd?
19:45<gabriel_>I think so
19:45<EmleyMoor>I had problems too... with guestfs - two of which also happen to be ntfs
19:45<Brigo>gabriel_, and no logs about it?
19:46<Brigo>did you try journalctl -alb?
19:46<gabriel_>I tried what the console said, jourtalct -xl
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19:47<gabriel_>now we are trying a few things, we need to test this
19:48<gabriel_>EmleyMoor, thanks, I wouldn't have figured this without your help
19:48<gabriel_>and everybody, we'll se now how this goes, will try to use rc.local
19:48<Brigo>gabriel_, -b will show logs from last boot, usefull when you have log from moths ago :)
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19:50<gabriel_>the migration uninstalled us php, and I hope not too much more :(
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19:55<gabriel_>it killed our owncloud, but the system boots up. Thanks for the help everybody
19:55<gabriel_>will mount via rc.local
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20:23<dutchfish>hi, i am configuring jessie X64. I want to know if within systemd ControlGroupAttribute can be used for a [service]; i want to alter swapiness for httpd.service, since my setup is running on an embedded device with ssd as disk. Should this work in jessie? i.e. ControlGroupAttribute=memory.swappiness 70 ?
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20:51<Marillion>dutchfish: swappiness is systemwide not for prozess only
20:52<dutchfish>Marillion, oh my mistake, i read in the systemd docs that it can be tuned for one particular service.
20:52<dutchfish>Marillion, but i am not sure it is already implemented inside jessie
20:54<dutchfish>Marillion, thanks
20:54<Marillion>dutchfish: no problem
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21:31<a19216801>Hi guys, does any of you are familiar with “IDS” to secure their network ?
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21:43<centrx>a19216801, You mean intrusion detection systems in general?
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21:44<fLoo>centrx: i've fixed the virsh issue
21:44<fLoo>actually the installation works, either with cd (netinstall.iso) or by URL
21:44<fLoo>the problem is the serial console
21:45<a19216801>Yes centrx, i use ossec, but i’d like to combine it with snort. And a more general way harden the network
21:45<fLoo>it gets disconnected because if the switch to systemd
21:45<fLoo>after manually adding
21:45<fLoo>serial console works with jessie + systemd
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21:46<judd>Bug in debian-installer (open): «Serial console not set up after serial install»; severity: important; opened: 2014-11-13; last modified: 2014-12-03.
21:46<fLoo>affects virt-install
21:46<centrx>a19216801, I've always used snort, that's a classic
21:48<a19216801>I went through that post any though ?
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